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Back to Basics VI - the Planets - Mercury and the Modern Planets

Grey — Mon, 07 May 2012 00:34:34 GMT

The last 'batch' of planets to cover includes the oddballs of astrology - Mercury and the modern planets.

If you look at the seven classical planets, there is a lot of balance. Sun and Moon as the two luminaries, with opposite polarities and opposite meanings. Mars and Venus as the more active and passive ways in which we interact with the world, and Jupiter and Saturn as the more creative/posiitve and destructive/negative ways in which the world influences us.

And then there's Mercury.

Much of what astrology thinks about Mercury is based on mythology - and much of the mythology of Mercury is based on its astronomy. Mercury (and his Greek equivalent Hermes) is the messenger of the gods, running/flying on winged feet. Mercury the planet is known for always being very close to the Sun - Mercury is never more than 28 degrees away from the Sun. Mercury also "flies" across the Sun with the fastest solar transit of any of the planets. And Mercury is elusive, quite difficult to see with naked eye, because it is usually within the Sun's light field.

The planet Mercury's fleetness of travel was conflated to the god Mercury's patronship of commerce, business, and travel. As a messenger, Mercury is the patron of communication. Mercury is also associated with intelligence in general - quick thinking, eloquent speaking, mediation and bargaining.

Although the earliest worship of Mercury was as a Greek phallic god, in astrological terms Mercury is gender-neutral. Or more specifically, polarity-neutral. Mercury's polarity varies from one chart to another. When Mercury is "oriental" (i.e., "eastern" or rising before the Sun), he is assigned a positive/masculine/active polarity. When Mercury is oriental to the Sun, he is assigned a negative/feminine/passive polarity. The way to determine this is to simply locate Mercury's position relative to the Sun - if Mercury is clockwise from the Sun, he is oriental; if he is counterclockwise from the Sun, he is oriental.

Like the other planets, Mercury rules two signs - Gemini and Virgo. Which of these signs is more prominent in a particular chart depends on which polarity Mercury carries on the chart. (Gemini is a positive-polarity sign and Virgo is a negative-polarity sign.)

Mercury's energy is the energy of the intellect: fast-moving, fast-thinking, fast-speaking. In a sense, Mercury is the “glue” that holds together all of the other classical planets. Mercury shares in the energy of the other planets, yet stands apart and separate from them. Mercury is curious, but not engaged; analytical, but not passionate; friendly, but not connected. Not that Mercury is “shallow” – it’s simply that Mercury is always moving, always looking for something else to stimulate, to capture interest. Another puzzle to figure out, another secret to uncover, another fact to learn. Mercury is restless, always moving, always seeking.

In an astrological sense, Mercury is the “wild card” of astrology, and of each individual chart. When you are interpreting a chart that doesn’t quite come together and “read” properly, look at where Mercury is and what it’s doing in the chart for your answer. In many ways, Mercury is the energy that affects everything else without being affected itself.

Mercury’s variable polarity/sect is one example of how Mercury doesn’t quite “fit in” with the other planets. Another example is Mercury’s close connection with the Sun. Conjunctions usually create a combining effect, in which two planets reinforce each other, strengthening each other – sometimes to excess. However, when a planet is in conjunction with the Sun, it’s different. The term “combust” refers to a planet that is in conjunction with the Sun. Because of the nature of the Sun’s energy, the Sun tends to outshine any nearby planets, weakening their influence on the chart. Where a planet is normally strengthened by conjunction, a planet is actually weakened by conjunction with the Sun, almost the equivalent of being debilitated (in detriment). A planet in conjunction with the Sun and also poorly placed in the chart by sign can almost be thought of as being in fall (the opposite of exaltation).

Mercury, as usual, is different. Mercury is immune to this “outshining” effect of the Sun. While it’s not universal, many classical astrologers believed that Mercury could not be combust. Because it’s the nature of Mercury to be close to the Sun at all times anyway, Mercury doesn’t get combusted by the Sun.

The Modern Planets
Classical astrologers could see only five planets, plus the Sun and Moon, with the naked eye. As a result, they didn’t factor in the outer planets, which weren’t discovered until the late 1700s or later. Many astrologers who closely follow the principles of classical astrology don’t even look at Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, their placements, or their aspects. Also, many traditional astrologers don’t assign these planets as rulers of signs or houses. And there is no agreement on which signs the outer planets might be dignified or debilitated in.

That being said, many modern astrologers do study the outer planets. There is a lot of disagreement about “what to do with them,” but there is a general consensus of agreement as to what influence each of the outer planets has on a chart.

Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto are commonly considered “generational” planets. In other words, their motion is so slow, and they change signs so far apart in time compared to the inner planets, that their influence is considered to be exerted on an entire generation, in more of a general sense. To many astrologers, the outer planets don’t indicate forces at work directly on individuals, but rather “background energy” that affects everyone at all times.

Uranus – in astrological terms, Uranus energy is the energy of originality and nonconformity. Uranus is the driving force behind “doing your own thing,” as well a “thinking outside the box.” Every generation has their own phrase for it, but the impulse is the same – to be original, to go in your own direction, even if it means defying convention.

There is an interesting mythological link – as well as an astrological one – between Uranus, Saturn, and Jupiter. Uranus in Greek mythology was one of the sons of the primordial goddess Chaos. He was deposed from power by his son Cronus (roughly equivalent to Saturn in the Roman mythos), who was in turn deposed by HIS son Jupiter.

In a similar way, the energy of these three planets can be understood in sequence. The energy of Uranus represents the energy of the unstructured world (“Chaos”), where the random and unexpected are common occurrences; Uranus energy in an individual chart brings that freshness and originality down to a personal level, interpreted as a desire to act based on one’s individual choices and feelings.

Saturn represents the “overthrow of originality” and the imposition of order. Just as Saturn was the leader of the formalized pantheon of gods and goddesses, Saturn energy in the chart represents order, structure, and social convention – doing what is expected, doing what others require rather than indulging ourselves.

And finally, Jupiter represents the “overthrow” of society demands and expectations, and the finding of a happy medium for the self, where fortune and prosperity abound, and personal growth is maximized.

So think of Uranus as the primordial energy of Chaos acting on the individual, driving our impulse to do what we want when we want; delighting in the unexpected and the unconventional. The “downside” to Uranus energy is that we can’t control or predict it. Uranus represents the randomness of the universe, for better or worse.

Neptune – Again, it is easier to understand the energy of this planet in astrology when you look at the mythology. Neptune, as god of the sea, has the vast energy of the oceans and tides as his beck and call – yet Neptune prefers to live in isolation, away from the rest of the gods and goddesses.

In astrology, the energy of Neptune reflects this dual nature. Neptune energy reflects the desire for a retreat from society into the self, a desire for solitude. And like the ever-changing nature of the sea itself, Neptune energy has its strengths and weaknesses. Withdrawing from others allows the self to recharge and regenerate emotional energy, so that one can re-emerge ready to work with idealism and compassion for others.

On the other hand, without input and information from others, the self is frequently prone to errors in judgment, or to being led astray through confusion and deception. More than any other god in Roman mythology, Neptune was frequently manipulated by other gods, who lied to him and stirred up his feelings of caring to motivate him to act for their purposes, without fully realizing that he was being used.

In a similar way, Neptune energy in the chart represents the double-edged sword of our compassion and caring for others. Neptune energy drives us to care, and to work for others, which explains why Neptune is linked in astrology to hospitals, prisons, institutions, and other similar places where people are most in need of counseling and aid. But Neptune’s energy is also prone to being misguided or misdirected, “exploited” by the other planets in the chart, turned away from its original purpose without even realizing that it is being used. In response, Neptune energy sometimes drives us to retreat from society to heal ourselves and rebuild our faith and trust in others. Just as the tides of the sea repeat their endless cycle of ebbing and flowing, Neptune’s energy repeats this endless cycle in our lives, the cycle of caring, being used and hurt, and pulling away, only to be driven out of ourselves again to care for others.

Pluto – For many years, Pluto was “Planet X,” the planet whose existence could be deduced but not actually seen. And in mythology, Pluto was also hidden, the god of the underworld. Although most commonly known for his abduction of Persephone, daughter of the ancestral agriculture goddess, Pluto also had the trait in many mythological traditions of bursting into flame whenever he emerged from the darkness of the underworld. And Pluto was frequently conflated with another god, Plutus, a god of mineral wealth, leading to a visualization of Pluto as the ruler of an underworld kingdom of vast riches that were unseen by the world above.

Pluto’s astrological influence reflects many of these same traits. Pluto in the chart represents the hidden, “buried treasure” of the chart. Pluto’s energy is the energy of digging under the surface to discover those secrets and locate that buried treasure. But like Pluto himself, the process of uncovering that which is hidden frequently causes the treasure itself to burst into flame when it is revealed to us.

Pluto’s energy is the energy of discovery, but also the energy of upheaval. Pluto represents dramatic change in our lives, change motivated by exploring the unknown parts of our own psyche and bringing to the surface the secrets buried deep within us. This is frequently a painful process, as we don’t always like what we end up finding. Sometimes we must destroy what currently exists to make room for what is new. Pluto’s energy in the chart drives us to dig deep, to uncover secrets and expose hidden truths, regardless of the cost to ourselves and others.

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what I am learning as a virgo sun

qasdafil — Mon, 07 May 2012 21:57:01 GMT

these are things that have helped me tremendously as a virgo. do they resonate with other virgo suns or other sun signs? what are some you've learned from your sun sign?

I do not try to save or correct people. I allow them to fail, giving them the honor of being responsible for themselves.

I do not resent others for acting like primadonnas or princes/princesses, because I do not allow them to be spoiled off of my work or toil.

I only serve others when it is a gift that is freely given from myself, with no strings or expectations. Then I feel no resentment if it is not appreciated.

I believe that if you want to experience unconditional love, you need to step off your pedestal and live and work with the common people, not placing yourself above them.

I recognize a strong need within myself to respect "sacredness" ~ ie sacred spaces, the physical body, other's religious beliefs and so forth and aversion toward those who do not respect these. Going forth, I recognize the need to regenerate stale and outdated practices and dogmas by challenging and even disrespecting them and recognize that our own true sacredness and purity is untouchable and cannot be spoiled or blasphemed by any actions or circumstances in our life.

I honor my body and listen to it attentively, recognizing it is a medium through which my spirit talks to me.

I do not overwork myself. I recognize my addiction to manifesting my ideas in the exact way in which I envision them. I trust that my higher guidance is guiding my work to be created in exactly the way it should be and giving me ample time to create. Thereby allowing me to maintain a healthy work-life balance, allowing plenty of time for self-care and play. My work can be done with a feeling of ease and relaxation. I trust everything will work out for the best.

My stage-fright and shyness needs to be faced and uprooted. It holds me back from celebrating in my own unique expression of myself and is rooted in feelings of inadequacy and fear of self-expression. Even so, I feel the transformation should happen with gentleness and kindness.

I am learning to challenge my paradigms about how I see "perfection" and expand them continuously from the narrow messages I received as a child, using Nature as one of my teachers. And enjoying the bliss and delight I feel in her.

The biggest one of all: When I begin to feel anxiety, I focus back on the bigger picture and remember, in the larger scope of things, nothing is wrong. Nothing is wrong, and nothing is wrong. I love hearing that from others. I love hearing that from myself. It's helped me tremendously.

Thanks! Love to all!

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Surviving Uranus square Pluto

Just A Girl — Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:16:31 GMT

I didnt see it mentioned elsewhere, but maybe I didnt anything on here about it..... Anyway, other astrology sites are all abuzz about the Uranus in Aries squaring Pluto in Capricorn transit, which I guess has already started. Uranus will square Pluto exact seven times in the next three years: June 26, 2012; September 19, 2012; May 21, 2013; November 1, 2013; April 21, 2014; December 15, 2014; and March 17, 2015. Everywhere that I have read about it, it has been described as a really big deal and is supposed to be affecting most those with planets in Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn. Well, I have a lot of Aries and, although this year got off to a good start for me, I have been getting more and more agitated/restless as of late. The thing is, I have seen people that don't really have planets in the cardinal signs that seem to be acting out lately too; they do have some planets in the houses corresponding to the cardinal signs, or they have a strong Pluto influence in their chart. So I think this will be affecting more people than just those four signs.

Is anyone else feeling antsy as of late? Have you been noticing more people around you acting out of character? What are your thoughts as to how this transit will affect people on the whole? I'm of the opinion that huge shakeups can be a really good thing, but I might change my mind after this is over lol...

Girl

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Back to Basics VII - the Signs - General Concepts

Grey — Fri, 11 May 2012 16:21:11 GMT

Before I start looking at individual signs, I thought it would be good to take a look at the background of the signs, and where their meanings are derived from.

I will have to point out here that there are some differences between sidereal interpretation and tropical interpretation. Sidereal astrology looks at planetary placements in actual constellations/signs, which over large expanses of time shift on the calendar. For example, 2000 years ago, the rising sun on day of the spring equinox (March 21) was in Aries; today, it rises in Pisces, having shifted approximately 24 degrees. There are indications (but not proof) that at the time the Sumerians and Akkadians were first developing astrology, the rising sun on March 21 was located in Taurus, and was connected with their spring worship rites involving sacrifice of bulls.

Tropical astrology was developed by the Greco-Roman culture sometime around 2000-2200 years ago, and it forms the basis for most Western astrology today. However, the early Western astrologers were either unaware of the phenomenon of precession, or chose to ignore it. Instead, they decided that the first day of the spring equinox would be counted as 1 Aries, and then they divided the year up into 30-degree segments. The key difference was that for Western astrologers, the spring equinox would ALWAYS be 1 Aries, no matter how the zodiac constellation field might shift over time due to precession. This is why today, on March 21, sidereal astrologers would place a rising sun on March 21 in Pisces (the actual observed constellation placement), whereas tropical astrologers would place a rising sun on March 21 in Aries (the calendar-based zodiac "sign" placement).

I am mentioning this not to create a controversy, but to explain a difference. Sidereal and tropical astrology obviously differ in their planetary placements; but beyond that, there are also subtle differences in their interpretations of the sign/constellation meanings. This is because in the Western tradition, the static nature of the zodiac signs with regard to the solar calendar led to many seasonal associations being attached to the signs. Since Aries is ALWAYS in the spring, much springtime symbolism became attached to the tropical sign of Aries. These seasonal associations are not nearly as consistent, nor as influential, in sidereal astrology.

As I discuss the signs/constellations, I will make an attempt to present both sidereal and tropical interpretations. But I want to let everyone know up front that since I am a siderealist, my presentation will unavoidably be "skewed" at least a little bit toward sidereal - sorry about that!

Regardless of whether one follows sidereal or tropical astrology, there ARE many consistencies - this is why the differences between the two in terms of sign interpretation are subtle. The root components of a sign interpretation are as follows:
1) governing element
2) governing quality
3) governing polarity, or "sect"
4) ruling planet

For the first three of these, there is universal agreement between sidereal and tropical astrology. (Chinese and other eastern astrologies, which are based on a system of five elements rather than four, reflect significant differences.) With regard to ruling planet, there are some differences between ancient (Mesopotamian) astrology and the modern tradition, which began to deviate from the ancient tradition sometime during the Renaissance (1500s in most of Europe). The interpretations I present here are based on ancient, or "classical" astrology.

1) Element - we are all familiar with the idea of the four classical elements - fire, earth, water, and air. Each of these elements has its own associations - with seasons, with the biological humors (body fluids), and with general personality types. Curiously, the Mesopotamians and the Greco-Romans actually believed in FIVE elements. But the fifth of these elements, "sky" or "aether," was thought to be the substance that filled up the voids of the heavens above the earth - in other words, the plane of the gods. Therefore, aether was not thought to have a direct influence on earthly affairs, either in the realm of physics or the realm of astrology. So most people have heard only of the four earthly elements.

Fire - assigned the qualities of hot and dry, fire was associated with the bodily humor of yellow bile, which was thought to originate with the spleen. The temperament of this element is "choleric." If you're familiar with the description of someone "venting their spleen," then you will have a good idea of the overall temperament of this element. Fire is fierce, passionate, aggressive, angry, and inspirational. Choleric personalities frequently end up dominating others by sheer force of will.

Earth - assigned the qualities of cold and dry. Earth was associated with the bodily humor of black bile, originating in the bladder. The earthly temperament is "melancholic." Earth is solid and strong, but also quiet and prone to introspection. People who suffered from depression were thought by the Greeks to have an excess of "melancholy." Earth is not aggressive or passionate, but is resolute and resistant to change or being moved.

Water - had the qualities of cold and wet. Water was associated with phlegm, originating in the brain and lungs. The watery temperament is "phlegmatic." Water is thought to be relaxed and quiet, calm and fully accepting of the self. Think "still waters run deep" here. Water is happy and peaceful rather than passionate and aggressive.

Air - had the qualities of hot and wet. Water was associated with blood, originating in the liver. The airy temperament is "sanguine." Air is considered to be intellectual and social, but also somewhat detached and unemotional. Sanguine personalities are generally happy and pleasant, but lean more toward pursuing a self-oriented agenda rather than being concerned with others.

2) Qualities - the three qualities are usually referred to by their Western (Greco-Roman) names: cardinal, fixed, and mutable. However, those words have slightly different meanings from what we normally associate with them today.

Cardinal - this quality represents the introduction of an energy into a system. Many classical astrologers used the term "moveable." The word "cardinal" itself comes from the Latin root meaning "hinge." The cardinal signs in Greco-Roman tropical astrology are the signs that are the "hinges" or pivot points between the seasons. To conceptualize what this quality means in astrological terms, think of how a static situation changes when a new energy is introduced to it. The new energy takes on a greater significance and influence simply because it is different or new. Cardinal sign energy "bursts onto the scene," so to speak. The cardinal quality indicates change and renewal, the introduction of something different.

Fixed - this quality represents the most stable and "pure" expression of energy in a system. In classical astrology, the fixed quality was frequently called "common." This doesn't necessarily mean "fixed" in the sense of "stubborn and resistant to change"; the interpretation is more along the lines of how an energy is expressed when it has been introduced into a system and the system has regained stability, adapting to the change. Fixed signs are signs whose element is dominant in the system and is least affected by the influence of the energies of other elements. The fixed quality describes and element whose energy is in its purest form.

Mutable - this quality represents the interaction between two different forms of energy. This quality was sometimes called "changeable" by classical astrologers, because it represented the phase in which a particular elemental energy was approaching a change point, and its elemental energy was in the process of changing to a different elemental energy. The mutable quality does not necessarily mean "weak" or "diluted," but rather it describes how an element's energy is expressed when there are also other elemental energies present - in particular, when another element is approaching its cardinal state. So the quality of mutability is basically a quality of motion, blending, and cooperation.

3) Polarity - this has been covered to an extent in previous discussions. In general, polarity is a reflection of the classical dualistic view of nature and the universe: up/down, in/out, hot/cold, wet/dry, day/night, male/female, life/death, etc.

As applied to astrology, every sign has a polarity attached to it. This is based on the concept of each of the five classical planets ruling two different signs. The Sun and the Moon represented the "polar opposites," the clearest incarnation and definition of the two poles of opposition; a classical astrologer wouldn't ever think in terms of a "nocturnal/negative Sun" or a "diurnal/positive Moon." But the other planets were thought to express themselves through two different signs each, and it was logical and natural to assign each planet to a positive and a negative sign.

Remember, though, that our modern words "positive" and "negative" don't mean the same thing as how the ancients viewed these concepts. Think more along the lines of the Chinese concepts of yin and yang. Positive energy isn't "good" in and of itself, any more than negative energy is "bad"; they both simply ARE, and they exist in balance and opposition with each other.

This concept of polarity or "sect" pervades several aspects of astrology. The Sun is considered the ruler of the day/masculine sect, and the Moon is considered the ruler of the night/feminine sect. The other planets were each assigned to one or the other of these sects - Jupiter and Saturn to day, Mercury and Venus to night. Mercury was considered to be of variable sect, depending on its position relative to the Sun.

The influence of sect will rise again later when we discuss planetary dignities and debilitations.

Of the four classical earthly elements, fire and air were considered to be of positive/outward/active polarity, and earth and water were of negative/inward/passive polarity. This led to some confusion between the concepts of positive and negative polarity versus hot and cold elements. But it can be misleading to directly associate positive polarity with heat, or negative polarity with cold. Polarity and temperature are simply different.

In terms of planetary energy, it is sometimes useful to think of polarity using the words "inward" and "outward." In positive signs, the energy of the sign (and the planet within it) is expressed outward to the world and toward others. In negative signs, this energy is more typically directed inward, at the self.

4) Ruling planets - for purposes of this discussion, we will be using the classical planets. This means that Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto get "left out." No offense is meant here. It's simply that the classical system of astrology in every ancient culture, from Mesopotamian to Greco-Roman, Hindu to Chinese, is based on the idea of two luminaries and five classical planets that could be observed with the naked eye.

The assignments of the planets as rulers of signs is actually a beautifully simple exercise in geometry. Start with the assignment of the Moon and Sun to the adjacent signs of Cancer and Leo. From that point, the next two signs on either side are ruled by Mercury; the next two by Venus; and then in turn Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, reflecting the observed ranges of motion of these planets with regard to the Sun and Moon.

It is commonly believed (although we don't know for certain) that the ancients created this planet rulership distribution based on the fact that the Sun and the Moon were the primary lights in the heavens, and the summer months of July and August were the warmest and brightest time of the year.

So - now that we have discussed the components or building blocks of sign definitions, let's look at the general question: what do the signs MEAN?

There have been a wide variety of books written on this subject. What follows is my own personal interpretation, cobbled together from many of these sources.

Understand that all of the planets appear in everyone's chart. This means that every planet will be exerting its energy and influence in your chart. The signs represent "stations" or "conditions" under which this planetary energy is expressed. Think of the signs as filters through which planetary energy is expressed. Mars in Taurus or Mars in Gemini is still Mars; but the energy matrix of the sign will change the way in which the Mars energy enters the chart and interacts with the energy of the other planets.

Now that we have covered the basics of the signs, it's time to delve in more detail into the individual sign interpretations. I prefer to categorize the signs based on ruling planet, but that is simply personal preference. None of the four components of a sign's definition are inherently stronger or weaker than the others; you must understand the interaction between all four components in order to gain a full understanding of each sign and its meaning. Some people prefer to look at the three signs under each element as a group; others prefer to look at the four signs under each quality. For me, it just seems to make more sense to look at planetary rulerships.

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parent child synastry

Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:16:16 GMT

okay how weird is this!

i did a synastry chart with my mom, and its crazzzzzzzzzzzy

my sun is EXACTLY conjunct her NN node.

my moon is EXACTLY conjunct her sun

her pluto is conjunct my dsc opposite my asc

her mars is conjunct my MC opposite my nn node

and most of all, her uranus in cancer is exactly conjunct my jupiter in capricorn which is square my moon/mercury opposition that completes the grand cross? WTF WTF SRSLY SRSLYYYYY

anyone else have such intense connections astrologically?

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Would you consider this conjuntion valid?

Bárbara — Tue, 08 May 2012 22:15:30 GMT

[Reposting from Chart Interpretation]

Would you consider a Mars/Uranus aspect of +10º15 in a natal chart as a conjunction?

(Yes, it is my own and you can view it at my profile if you wish)
Astrotheme has it considered, but I think it is a bit too far away, although I do identify with some of the descriptions regarding this conjunction.
Mars is in Cap, Uranus in Sag, both in the 9th House.
I read this by astrologer Richard Nolle at http://www.astropro.com/features/tables/geo/ma-ur/ma-000-ur/MA000URa.html:
"While strongest when exact, the Mars-Uranus conjunction is effective throughout the time during which these two planets remain within orb of conjunction."

What do you think?

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Neptune conj. Chiron opp Mars conj Saturn?

thisisderrick — Mon, 07 May 2012 19:19:00 GMT

Hey guys--

So today is my Solar Return (my birthday is tomorrow) and upon checking out my SR chart I noticed that I have Mars in Virgo conj my natal Saturn on the return's IC and Neptune and Chiron in Pisces conj the SR Midheaven. I've been trying to wrap my head around this a bit, but I can't seem to gauge how this may play out. SO, I figured I'd turn to the forum for some help!

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_32ata_01_derrick_reaves_201257.69056.48456.gif&res=100&va=&cid=1zjfiledjxja1-u1188421528

I hope that link works because that is the whole chart for reference. Some interesting things worth noting when you check it out:

-The SR ASC is 3 degrees conj the natal ASC
-SR Aries Mercury is 1 degree conj natal Mercury
-SR Sag Moon is 1 degree square natal Saturn
-SR Aries Uranus is 1 deg opp natal Moon
-Natal NN is at 14 deg Virgo therefore loosely in attendance to Mars/Neptune/Saturn/Chiron

I'm wondering if 9th Nep opp 3rd Saturn is a dissolving of mental structures? But how does Mars come in? Does Mars excite those structures while Neptune dissolves them? And with Chiron, NN, Saturn and Neptune in attendance (not to mention SR Node conj Sag Moon) this could possibly be a very karmic configuration, no?

Thanks guys!

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Supermoon in Scorpio tonight!

Rothilda T. — Sat, 05 May 2012 19:12:37 GMT

I've been really stoked about this supermoon, but I only today realized it's to be in Scorpio conjunct my natal moon! Can't wait to see how I'm feelin' later.

Anyone else looking forward to this?

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The tight aspects in your natal charts

MantisReligiosa — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:00:53 GMT

I have a theory that they're blind-spots. That maybe other people can see their effects on your personality better than you can.

Mine are Moon-Jupiter conjunction at 0.17 orb difference, the tightest, followed closely by Saturn-Neptune conjunction at 0.27 orb, Mars-Jupiter conjunction at 0.34 orb, Moon-Mars conjunction at 0.51.

I really don't see these aspects functioning in my personality. I've always been outraged by the descriptions for Moon-Mars, at least. I don't see myself as excitable, enthusiastic, or energetic.
Neither do I see myself as beaming kindness, like the Moon-Jupiter suggests.

Any tight aspects in your chart? Of course, it is debatable as to how tight an aspect has to be in order to be considered tight, in the first place. I'm guessing the smaller the orb difference, the more compulsive the traits.
What do you think?

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Crazy Chemistry/Composite Study

Rothilda T. — Sat, 05 May 2012 16:07:41 GMT

http://astronuts.tribe.net/photos/6d6a20e2-1752-4542-a325-6469b88a1c5b

I've posted similar things in other tribes, in the past, but I thought I'd try it here, because issues with this relationship are coming up again and making me crazy.

This is the composite chart for me and someone with whom I've always had insane, super-magnetic chemistry. I thought I was making it up and it was one-sided for years, finally figured out our connection/attraction was mutual, and the potential inherent in that realization has been the stuff of my daydreams and angst for years since. It's basically an unrealizable situation, which adds to the teasing/allure/temptation, rather than making it fade. We can be around each other sometimes with no problems, and, other times, we fuzz the borders of acceptable friend interactions a bit, which makes me feel very guilty, because we're both partnered. The latter times also get her stuck in my head to the point where I think about her 24/7 for weeks on end. I feel like a love addict. I've been like this about other people throughout my life, but, with her, it's the strongest and longest-lasting.

Our instant connection (we just get each other on a gut level) probably is largely astrologically attributable to our tightly conjunct Moons (in Scorpio, just over a degree apart). Our composite has always intrigued me. The kite formation with the Scorpio cluster around the Midheaven... that isolated Venus in the 6th. I was curious if anyone else had thoughts on it or had astrological examples or stories from their own lives regarding overwhelming chemistry with another person and/or interesting composite charts.

Thanks!!

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Amazing article on why the Moon is the primary planet of love ( Rather than Venus)

~ShINoBi~ — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:27:15 GMT

Love is not enough. To live together in an intimate relationship there are other criteria that must be met. Love, in fact, is very different to different people. Fiery love means that I feel great when I think of you. It is a Leo-like projection of the ego, basking in the glory of romantic love. My love for you comes from my heart. You may trigger it, but it's my creation. Listening doesn't necessarily enter the picture. Watery love is more Lunar, it is about responding to the other person's needs, even the unstated ones. The fiery lover may be surprised to discover that the other is unsatisfied. "But, I love you honey," I might say, meaning that my heart opens at the thought of you. Energy flows from me to you. Yet the other needs to be heard, to be felt, to be received...to be loved like the Moon.

Astrologers generally consider Venus to be the planet of love. This, however, is somewhat misleading. Venus describes the form in which an individual can recognize love or approval. The sign, house and aspects involving the natal Venus can describe the ways in which the person gained appreciation within the family structure. So someone with Venus in Capricorn might be appreciated for her sense of discipline, while someone else with Venus in Cancer was approved for her sensitive and caring nature. Venus, then, is a highly socialized planet, one whose expression doesn't necessarily correspond with our deepest needs, but is a learned value. Venus is a step towards intimacy, it is the sweet attraction that pulls us towards another person (or him/her towards us). Magnetism, though, is not intimacy, it's not even love. But it is important, vital in fact, if a meaningful relationship is going to develop. However, relationships primarily built on Venus contacts may not last long or go very deep. Venus is a "horizontal" planet. It has to do with how we reach out to another person or object that attracts us. It does not, however, necessarily reflect our deepest needs. These needs, this pathway to intimacy, falls in the domain of the Moon.The Moon is the primary feminine archetype in astrology. The relationship with mother is the basis for all future relationships. It was one of total dependency, the only physically necessary relationship in life. We can not exist without mother's presence (at least until birth). Fathers are vital for conception, after that they're optional, albeit desirable. Closeness, then, comes through the Moon. It comes through connecting with our deepest needs, recognizing them and taking the risk to share them with the person we love. This vulnerability is a key element of intimacy. If we don't let our partner in we live parallel lives, rather than lives of true intimacy. Now we don't all have the same needs here. Someone with the Moon in Cancer is likely to have a very different notion of closeness than someone with the Moon in Aquarius. Each has lunar needs, needs to be fed and to be heard, but the forms can be very different. The Moon in Cancer needs, above all, to belong, to have that watery connection of feeling that you are both in the same circle. The Aquarius Moon, though, needs space and freedom, and can find security within a less tightly bound relationship. In any case, though, the Moon is what allows us to join at a deep emotional level.

When we stay at the level of Venus, however, the need to be liked dominates the need to be heard. Closeness requires a willingness to move past the approval level and touch the soul. When we share our deepest feelings, fears and secrets we can open ourselves. Letting the other in is a challenge, particularly for men or women with strong Fire in their charts. Receiving is as much of an art as giving. Working with the Moon means allowing for changes, for inconsistencies. We're not talking about a fixed model of ideal partnership, we're seeking a living relationship between growing and changing human beings.

We can understand Venus as describing what we like, sort of what tastes good to us. But like sweet sugar in the mouth, the pleasure it gives is nice, but might not be very fulfilling. The Moon describes what feeds us. Therefore, it is important that we understand the relationship between Venus and the Moon in our natal charts. If the two are in conflict, extra attention may need to be paid to make sure that pleasure feeds us, rather than leaving us undernourished. Someone with Venus in Cancer, for example, might appreciate the cozy and caring aspects of a love affair. But if the Moon is in Aries, space for spontaneity must also be included. This person can be very responsive to the partner much of the time (all other chart factors being equal), but suddenly pull away to reclaim her/his individual space. This can lead to confusion for both partners. It's really about addressing two very different needs. The difficulty is that Venus and the Moon are close enough in their natures to mislead us into reading one for the other. Liking and needing are not the same thing. The form of love (Venus) and the substance of emotion (the Moon) may or may not be similar for a given individual.

Conflicts in the horoscope, as with conflicts in life, are not about choosing one over the other. If we place the intimacy needs of the Moon over the pleasure needs of Venus we can have unpleasant closeness, like a couple locked together in a grim dance of survival. If the more superficial aspects of Venus dominate we can dine at the table of pleasure yet still feel empty inside. The key is to acknowledge and accept our conflicting needs. Knowing which one is appropriate at a given moment is helpful. That means dragging out your Scorpio Moon need for intensity in a public place might not go over very well. Or that your Venus in Aries taste for independence showing up when your partner is in emotional crisis may be ill-timed. Everything has its time and place and overcoming much of astrological conflict is about putting the right foot forward at the right time.

Another take on the conflict, lets' say between Venus in Aries and the Moon in Scorpio, is that there are many steps between their seemingly contrasting positions. We often find ourselves stuck between two choices. However, we are whole, the universe is whole and there are connections between any two elements in existence. Learning the many subtle steps between conflicting points means building bridges between the disparate parts of ourselves. Astrology does a good job of dicing and slicing us up into so many planets, signs and houses. But, we need to remember that no piece is isolated from the rest. Even a seemingly isolated planet, one without aspects, for example, lives within the same solar system and within the same person as the rest of the chart. The lack of connections is apparent, not real. You can take the isolated planet and imagine conversations with the other planets. What are their common points of interest? If you can't find any you need to expand your astrological vocabulary, because underlying the obvious differences between the planets and the signs is a unifying pattern that connects every part with every other part. In fact, learning how to merge and then separate is essential to attaining intimacy.

While the rewards of intimacy are considerable, the fears of intimacy are equally strong for most people. This is because intimacy, coming closer to another, merging fields and feelings, threatens one's identity. As much as we want the closeness, there is a natural resistance to it. If I include you in the center of my being where am I? Where is my old familiar self? The unconscious works powerfully to maintain the status quo, even an unhappy one. Fear of losing oneself is a powerful motivation to avoid too much closeness. However, this too can be included as part of the dance of love.

Love, in a living form, is not constant. We don't feel the same way about one another every day, because we don't feel the same way about ourselves. Now I'm not talking about wild mood swings here, just the natural ebb and flow of attraction that is part of the human condition. Venus' attraction is balanced by Mars' struggle to maintain individuality. This is why couples need to fight, to push one another away to regain their individuality. When this is conscious it can be included in the dance, a normal process that neither has to be ashamed of. I've often found that after my wife and I have moved yet another step closer to one another, when we've push aside another veil of separateness, we react soon after by creating distance between us. We need to assimilate this deepening of our partnership. I need to be sure that Jeff is there in the middle of the expanding intimacy with my wife. When this is allowed no feelings are hurt, we don't have to dramatize our individual needs and can stay in a flow that will bring us closer again the next time around.

While Venus and the Moon present one pair of issues around intimacy, the 7th and 8th houses present another. The 7th is the traditional house of marriage or primary partnership. The 8th, though, is the "body" of the relationship, the place where the meeting begun in the 7th is consummated. If a partner meets the symbolism of the 7th, but not the 8th house, it's likely that the relationship will not deepen. The front may be fine, but the core may stay unfulfilled. If the 8th house contact is good, but the 7th is not, you might not even meet the other person. Since there are often different signs on the cusps of the 7th and 8th houses, signs that are adjacent to one another, not natural allies (i.e. trine or sextile one another), the implication is that intimate relationships require several different qualities to make them work. Connecting at a deep level is not like putting a key into a lock and turning it. It's more like a combination lock in which a number of different pieces need to fit into place before it opens.

Since houses 7 and 8 refer to "others" they are ripe for projection. This means that rather than expressing ourselves in these areas of the chart we seek partners to fulfill their qualities for us. If you have Mars in the 7th you may seek out partners who are dynamic, independent self-starters. While this is not inappropriate, the concern is that you will not be dynamic, independent or a self-starter yourself. This is projection, giving away parts of yourself to others. The 7th and 8th houses (as well as the rest of the chart for that matter) are about you. They are about the qualities you need to express in any partnership. Ideally, your partner will support these qualities in you. If not, the relationship will not be a place of growth. The 7th and 8th houses are about you. Don't give them away to someone else.

What is compatibility? Astrological convention holds that harmonious aspects between charts are the significant factors for a positive relationship. Certainly, a degree of harmony (or similarity) is necessary for successful partnership. However, it may be useful to have a blend of challenging and easy aspects for best results. For example, Venus and Mars have a great deal to do with sexual compatibility. Mutual trines and sextiles can make for an easy flow of energy, yet that might become boring over time. However, some harmony mixed with a challenging aspect, i.e. your Venus is trine your partner's Mars, your partner's Venus is opposite yours, can keep a level of dynamism that will continue to make sex an interesting subject for you two.

Couples tend to create their own little universe. If both agree on something then it must be true. This can limit the development of the two individuals when their charts, or parts of them, are too similar. What's called compatibility may simply be shared neuroses. It is useful, then, that couples don't have all their planets align harmoniously. A little tension not only makes life interesting, but it helps keep perspective in the partnership. The esoteric writer Dion Fortune believed that an ideal relationship showed alternating similarity and dissimilarity between the seven chakras. This pattern may deepen a relationship by bringing the right balance of the old and new so that a relationship grows, rather than remain static.

It's also true that some people don't want or need traditional compatibility. If Uranus is in your 7th or 8th house you likely need to experience differences through relationship, to be awakened to new patterns. Gravitating to someone who is very different than you doesn't have to be a disaster. With a few key positive connections to hold the relationship together, it might be just what you need. These key connections are most likely to involve the Moon, Sun, 1st-7th axis or the Moon's Nodes. These are all critical points that can provide the glue to help a couple work through their differences and maintain a growing partnership. Sometimes you'll see a chart with wonderful Venus and Mars aspects, but if none of these key points are included it's not likely that the relationship will endure.

- Astrology of Intimacy by Jeff Jawer

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Chiron and its effect on other houses

Snooglemonster — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 01:21:08 GMT

So I've been studying chiron a bit and its role as "wounded healer" as it is often described. My chiron is in the 2nd house, and the ruler of my 2nd house is in my 10th. I feel like this is an accurate placement for me. I have always felt highly insecure about possessions and money to the point of paranoia (worrying about being robbed or having my possessions taken). I have had a great deal of financial problems in my life already...im 23 and i am in over 100k in debt! I've been sued for debt before as well. I have had issues keeping jobs and I often feel VERY uncomfortable regarding my finances, and I think that is why I have had issues maintaining employment in the past.

My chiron is opposite my uranus and lilith as well, which is alarming cause my lilith is in the 6th house!

Where is your chiron and how has it effected you? Also, some people say that chirons importance in a natal chart is very low, do you agree with this or not?

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What else do you know about the QUINCUNX?

~ShINoBi~ — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:24:09 GMT

Quincunx or the 150 degree aspect:

According to Donna Cunningham-

"From years of observing the quincunx (150-degree aspect) in action, I have a sense that the keyword for it is "stretching." When two planets are quincunx by sign, their basic natures are so completely different that the only way they can connect is a stretch, maybe a creative leap. This produces an expansion of perspectives, and so quincunxes wind up helping us grow in a way that a square or opposition does not—it’s not a conflict as much as it is an evolution."

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Back to Basics V - the Planets - Jupiter and Saturn

Grey — Tue, 01 May 2012 19:25:15 GMT

We've seen how Mars and Venus represent the two sides of the "coin" of the human experience, our desire to impose our will on the world around us. The other pair of classical planets, Jupiter and Saturn, represent precisely the opposite - how the outside world impinges on us in turn.

Jupiter - we must remember up front that while Jupiter was named for the king of the gods in the Greek and the Roman world, to the ancient astrologers Jupiter did not have such a pre-eminent position. To the Mesopotamians, the Sun was the king of the gods. It was not until the development of the Greco-Roman pantheon of deities that the king of the gods was associated with another heavenly body besides the Sun. Apollo was the Greek god of the Sun and did indeed become the leading figure in Greek, and later Roman, mythology - but never in either mythology was Apollo considered "king" of the gods, merely the god most frequently adored and worshiped by man.

The Mesopotamians did, however, recognize Jupiter and Saturn as the "outer" or "superior" planets. While unaware of the solarcentric orbits of the planets, the Mesopotamians noted very early on that Jupiter and Saturn were capable of appearing much further away from the Sun than Mars and Venus, and especially Mercury. Jupiter and Saturn were therefore viewed as being further away from Earth - and therefore further away from the sphere of human activity.

Jupiter is considered warm and moist - the "ideal" condition of astrological planets. This set of traits is shared by Venus. But while Venus represents our desire to give love and beauty to the world around us, Jupiter's energy is the energy of the outer world giving to the self. Jupiter is the energy of growth, expansion, bounty, and good fortune. This is the positive energy showered down upon us by the gods or the universe itself, encouraging growth and development in our own lives.

Bear in mind, however, that even such a fountain of beneficence can have its downside. At least one tradition in Greek mythology associated the planet we know today as Jupiter with the Greek god Dionysus - the patron god of, to put it bluntly, wanton excess and lack of control. Such is the energy of Jupiter in an astrological chart. Unrestrained growth can lead to spreading of energy and resources too thinly. Unchecked luck and good fortune can lead to arrogance and foolhardiness, the impression that "nothing could possibly go wrong." And those who experience good fortune and prosperity and want to share it with others are frequently taken unfair advantage of by those they think are their friends.

Jupiter never wants to think about this "dark side" of human nature. Jupiter revels in good fortune, bounty, and happiness. As such, Jupiter is associated with the creative energy of spring and summer, when all things are living and growing and producing their bounty for our pleasure and satisfaction. In a single word, Jupiter represents the energy of "indulgence."

Saturn - as the other greater planet, Saturn is in every way the opposite of Jupiter. As a result, Saturn has gotten quite a bad reputation in astrology - a reputation that is unwarranted and unfair, and based on an incomplete understanding of the role of Saturn's energy in the world.

Saturn was considered by the ancients to be dry and cold (the opposite of Jupiter). As a result, the ancient astrologers placed Saturn in the day/diurnal sect along with Saturn and Jupiter; the theory was that association with the warmth and light of the day sect would moderate Saturn's coldness. (In a similar way, fiery dry Mars was placed in the nocturnal sect with watery Moon and Venus in the hopes of moderating Mars' excessive heat and dryness.)

Where Jupiter is the energy of growth, expansion, and plenty, Saturn is the energy of loss, contraction, and sparsity. While these certainly seem to be "bad" on the surface, keep the proper perspective. Without the decay and death of fall and winter, we would not be able to enjoy the rebirth of spring. With finite energy and resources to work with in our lives, if everything was growth all the time, we would run out of energy, and life itself. A necessary part of the cycle of life is that all things must fade and come to an end in order to make room for new things. Saturn is the counterpoint to Jupiter, the other half of the wheel of life.

Another way of looking at Saturn's energy is in the context of our interactions with others. Saturn represents the energy of duty, social expectations, and the needs and demands of others around us. Of course we would all like to indulge ourselves all the time. But realistically, we also have duties and obligations which must be met in order to survive. We would like to feast now, but at some point we must think of restraining ourselves and setting something aside for the lean times of the future. Saturn's energy is manifested in our sense of conscience and willpower, the choice to limit or moderate our behavior in the present so as to be prepared for the future. And Saturn represents the limits and expectations placed on us by others around us - the duties and responsibilities that are a necessary part of living with other people.

For many people who do not completely understand Saturn's role in astrology, the energy of Saturn is seen as something harmful or bad - our "punishment" from the outside world, the burdens we must bear, the unfair judgment of the universe - the energy that keeps us from "getting what we want." Nothing could be further from the truth. The energy of Saturn is what reminds us of the ever-turning wheel of life around us. What is high will eventually be brought low; what grows must eventually decay. When Jupiter's energy of luck and good fortune leads us to reckless and foolhardy behavior, it is Saturn's energy that shocks us back to reality with the painful reminder that all lucky streaks end, and that we cannot have everything we want at the expense of others. Indulgence can become harmful unless it is counterbalanced by restraint and moderation. Indulgence of our own whims and desires at the expense of others is harmful and selfish unless it is counterbalanced by a sense of duty and responsibility to others.

The people who have a true problem with Saturn are people whose positive, creative energy - manifested by the Sun and Jupiter in their charts - is somehow blocked or inhibited, by poor placement or negative aspects involving the Sun and Jupiter. In these cases, the "negative" energy of Saturn can indeed take on too prominent of a role. Here is where we might see a person who seems to "never be able to catch a break," someone who becomes bound and trapped by the limits of social expectations, duty, and responsibility, someone who ends up pouring all of their energy into others while having nothing left for themselves.

The lesson to take away from this is that while it is easy to see the negative side of Saturn's energy, one must also consider that Saturn serves an important role in the cycle of life, and in our existence in a world full of other people who also have needs and expectations. And while it is very easy to see the positive side of Jupiter's energy, one must always remember that this positive energy must be balanced and kept in perspective. We must cultivate the energy of BOTH Jupiter and Saturn in order to live the fullness of life in the world.

In our last "planets" discussion we will look at Mercury, and also examine the idea of "benefics" and "malefics" in general - which will introduce us to some of the ideas of sect and humor (body fluid) that will influence our upcoming discussion of the twelve signs.

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Back to Basics IV - the Planets - Mars and Venus

Grey — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:50:40 GMT

Just as the Sun and the Moon represent two opposite sides of the same coin, Mars and Venus are linked to each other in astrological interpretations. In many of the same ways, Mars and Venus are equal opposites.

Interestingly, one way in which Mars and Venus are NOT opposites is in their polarity, or "sect." Despite the fact that Mars is considered to be a warm (or even hot) dry planet, it is included in the nocturnal sect ruled by the Moon, along with Venus. By the same token Saturn, which is regarded as a cold planet, is included in the diurnal sect ruled by the Sun.

Where the Sun and the Moon carry the energy of our inner, fundamental selves, Mars and Venus represent the ways in which our inner selves interact with the world around us. The Sun and the Moon are the self; Mars and Venus are the expression of the self.

Mars - the ancients considered Mars to be a hot, excessively dry planet. Virtually every ancient mythos associated the planet of Mars with their god (or occasionally goddess) of war.

In more concrete interpretive terms, Mars represents the active application of the self or ego to the outside world. Mars represents our desire to "make a mark" on the world around us. Because we make this mark by changing the current reality or "status quo," Mars has come to be associated with imposing our will on an outer world that doesn't necessarily agree with what we want. This leads to challenge, conflict, the "heat of battle," and in extreme cases war. Mars represents our instinct of aggression, the desire to accept challenges and overcome obstacles, and our need to assert ourselves in the outer world. As such, Mars represents strength, power, aggression, passion, determination, and stamina. In summary, Mars represents the driving force of our ego, the impulse to take action.

One key component of Mars that must be considered is this: Mars doesn't think before acting. Mars welcomes conflict, tension, and aggression for its own sake. Mars by itself can be cold, unfeeling of others - its energy is motivated by the simple desire to impose the self upon others and the outside world, regardless of the cost. Mars MUST win, no matter what. Any sacrifice, any injury, any damage can be justified as long as it leads to the end result - the survival of the self, and the imposition of the internal will on the outer world.

Venus - As another planetary energy of the self, Venus is also regarded as warm - but not hot. And while Mars is dry, Venus is moist. In most significant ways, the energy of Venus is the opposite of that of Mars. Venus is the energy of love, beauty, kindness, and care for others. As the second-brightest object in the night sky after the Moon, Venus has pride of place - and it is significant that this important light in the night sky is universally associated with the goddess of love, beauty, and fertility.

The energy of Venus is the energy of working with the outside world rather than opposing it. Where Mars demands that the outside world bend to suit the ego, Venus favors balancing the self against the outside world so that all can live in harmony and happiness. Where Mars drives the self forward with no regard for the collateral damage, Venus desires to foster and preserve all that is beautiful and gives joy. Where Mars regards the self as superior to all else, Venus focuses on the opposite impulse to give of the self so that others may be happy and feel loved.

All of that being said, bear in mind that Venus is an elemental, primordial force of its own, just as Mars is. Venus does have her "dark side." When Venus loves, the worst betrayal is for that which is loved to fail to return the love. When Venus gives of the self to others, she expects others to make the same sacrifice in return. To spurn the love of Venus triggers all of the hurt of love denied - which is why classical mythology of almost every pantheon portrays Venus/Aphrodite/starte/Ishtar as jealous and wrathful. And the love which Venus inspires can become obsessive, driving those subject to it to acts of irrationality. But when Venus is in her province, her energy is that of beauty, bounty, passion, joy, and harmony among all.

As a pair, Mars and Venus naturally became associated with masculine and feminine roles. Mars is associated with the traditionally male tendency to impose oneself on the outside world through brute force; Venus is associated with the traditionally female tendency to work "behind the scenes," indirectly getting what she wants through seduction and pleasure. This applies to both the negative as well as the positive "sides of the coin," so to speak. Mars is the masculine drive to impose oneself on the outside world - but Mars also represents mindless violence, conflict for its own sake, reveling in facing challenges and destroying opponents. In a similar way, while Venus represents the suave sexual seduction and feminine wiles of earthly pleasure, she also has an aspect of female jealousy, the wish to eliminate rivals, and the inborn assumption that whatever she wants is, and should be, paramount.

To try to put a single word on it, Mars and Venus both represent "passion." Our passion to live, our will to survive, and our desire for sexual pleasure - all of these human instincts are wrapped up in the energy of Mars and Venus. It is only their expression in the outside world that is different. Mars seeks to impose the self as a challenge to the outside world; Venus seeks to share the self in harmony with the outside world.

While it is easy to focus on the destructive side of Mars, and the seductive side of Venus, it is important to recognize that both of these planets exert their energy in ways that are both harmful and beneficial. Mars revels in conflict and battle; but Mars also represents the strength and will and desire to survive, even in the face of what must seem to be imposible challenges. And Venus' love, beauty, and sexual passion must be balanced by recalling her jealousy and desire to own and possess others for her own pleasure.

While Mars and Venus both are associated with the nocturnal/night sect, their energies work in opposite ways much of the time. For this reason, they are considered to be the lesser malefic and benefic planets, respectively. Let's briefly examine this concept.

Mars and Venus are considered the "lesser" planets for a variety of reasons. First, they are closer to the Sun and Moon, and are considered "interior" planets. While the ancients did not grasp the physical layout of the solar system in the same way that we do today, they nevertheless noted that visually, Mars and Venus never wander too far away from the Sun, at least compared to Jupiter and Saturn.

Second, since Mars and Venus are more strongly associated with human tendencies and impulses, they were regarded as less powerful in the grand scheme of things than Jupiter and Saturn, which were more strongly associated with the powers of deities. In other words, Mars and Venus are closer to us humans, whereas Jupiter and Saturn are closer to the gods.

Ancient astrologers divided up the planets as either "malefic" (harmful) or "benefic" (helpful). Mars being associated with conflict, challenge, war, and death naturally resulted in Mars being considered harmful to human progress. On the other hand, since Venus was associated with pleasure, beauty, happiness, and fertility, her energy would naturally be considered to be helpful. To look at it another way, Mars accomplishes what he wants through destruction - elimination of challenges and opponents. Venus accomplishes what she wants through creation - the creation of love, beauty, and joy. Mars asserts the self by removing things from the outside world; Venus asserts the self by creating things in the outside world.

Next on our list - the "greater" benefic and malefic of Jupiter and Saturn.

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Neptune in the 6th house

Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:20:26 GMT

I really want to know as much as possible about this position, since Neptune is going to be in my 6th for the next decade or so.

Right now it's almost exactly conjunct the cusp of my 6th house, and I think I'm starting to grow gills and scales-that's how much of a "fish" I'm becoming. The intuitive/psychic radar is off the charts and my thoughts and plans are anything but pragmatic.

I'm also curious to know what it means health-wise, cause I know Neptune brings infections, tumors and all the "juicy" stuff into the house it rules-and the 6th rules health in general. Should I be on a lookout for unpleasant surprises?

What does it mean, on a day to day basis? Experiences from Neptune in the 6th natives as well as people with Neptune transiting through their 6th are welcome.

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Saturn through the 6th house

Snooglemonster — Tue, 01 May 2012 18:17:19 GMT

There have been some posts made recently in reference to Saturn and its transits. Saturn is about halfway through my 6th house and wow it has definitely been interesting! The beginning of this transit was in October 2009. It really was terrible. I had lost a job, moved from a location I really liked, racked up a lot of debt and stopped making payments on a lot of my bills as well. This began a really horrible two year cycle for me where I seemed unable to deal with the realities of working and I did not have a job for longer than 4-5 months. This continued until I got sued for a credit card debt I had which again was not pleasant but it forced me to focus on my job situation (multiple planets were in my 6th house then).

Around Sept 2011 I got a job than I have currently had for 8 months, already breaking my previous "records." I am going back to school, as well as making progress on paying off some of my debt. To basically sum up this transit its has not been "fun" but its been productive and necessary. And its absolutely been draining! Some people describe this transit as hell on earth and really it was in the beginning but as I've matured I've found it a lot easier to manage.

Saturn will be out of my 6th house in someone in early 2013.

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Astrology and Astronomy of 2012

sadasiva — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:16:57 GMT

I know there were a few rumblings about this and how many think it is just more HYPE (which I agree with BTW)

But has anyone here actually researched the Astronomy and Astrology of 2012?!?

Well, I have and I tell you there is an unprecedented shift happening (Globally, culturally) and of course it will be seen by the Cosmos.

Essentially the solstice points (sun changing directions in the sky) are now within minutes of the planetary alignment.. something that has not happened in 26,000 years.

These things have correlations through all ancient cultures.. correspond with important modification in Yukteswar's Yuga cycle and many, many more things..

It is for real. Astrologically both Zodiacs (Sidereal and Tropical) are both getting activated by the annual planetary alignments.

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Back to Basics III - the Planets - Sun and Moon

Grey — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:18:38 GMT

Now we can take a closer look at the planets, and the fundamental energies expressed by each. We'll start with the two most significant "planets" of classical astrology, called the Luminaries: the Sun and the Moon.

First, in general terms, it is not surprising that the ancients held the Sun and Moon as separate and different from the other planets. The Sun and Moon are the two most dominant sources of light in the sky. Every aspect of human life that is polar - having two opposites - is tied in some way to the Sun and the Moon. Male/female; active/passive; hot/cold; day/night; revealed/hidden; etc. In virtually every pantheon of classical mythology, the Sun and the Moon were worshipped as the King and Queen of the Gods. In many pantheons, the Sun and Moon represented more than one deity each - for example, in Greek mythology, where Apollo, Dionysus, Phoebus, and Phaethon were all connected with the Sun in one way or another. The Moon, because of its ever-changing appearance, was frequently associated with multiple goddesses, such as the Diana-Hera-Hekate triple goddess of Greek mythology, representing the maiden, wife, and crone - one female energy with multiple aspects.

The Sun - in astrological terms, the Sun represents the basic "life force" or energy of our personality. Fundamentally, the Sun IS life. Even though the ancients didn't understand photosynthesis, they knew that plants needed sunlight to grow and thrive. They knew that we needed the warmth of daytime to survive the darkness and cold of night. Especially before man discovered how to make fire, the Sun was vitally important to our survival - so much so that many different cultures and mythologies around the world viewed the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year, as the "death of the Sun" and grieved, holding elaborate funeral rituals and praying that the Sun would be reborn so that life would return.

In an astrological chart, the Sun represents the inner self and personality. This is such a fundamental concept that the Sun is, almost by default, frequently assumed to be the chart ruler. Modern Western astrology especially follows this idea. When people ask, "what's your sign?", they mean, "what's your SUN sign?" In the simplified form of tropical astrology that is followed most frequently today, the Sun is automatically the chart ruling planet, and the sign in which the Sun is located is automatically the ruling sign for the entire chart.

In classical terms, this is not always the case. A poorly placed or aspected Sun will exert less influence in the chart, so it is possible that another planet or planets may actually be more dominant than the Sun. In this type of chart, the classical interpretation is that the individual whose chart is being cast has less direct power or influence over his or her own destiny, and can be expected to have to struggle more in life in order to impose his will on the world around him. This does not mean the querent is "weak"; rather, it means that the external influences the querent must struggle with on a daily basis are stronger than what other people will have to deal with.

The Sun is fundamentally so much more powerful that there are some special aspects involving the Sun that do not apply with other planets, even the Moon. All of us have heard of the ideas of "cazimi" and "combust." These are conjunctions of other planets with the Sun. Normally, when two planets are in conjunction, their energies are aligned and overlap each other, causing "ripple effects" that modify and alter the two planetary energies involved. However, when one of those planets happens to be the Sun, the relative strength of the Sun and the other planet is such that the Sun is the dominant partner of the conjunction.

A planet in "combust" is a planet that is close enough to the Sun so that the Sun's light outshines the planet - with the result that we can't see the planet with the naked eye. We know from astronomical observation that the planet is there, but we can't see it. Astrologically, this is interpreted to mean that the planet's energy is overshadowed by the Sun's energy. A combust planet will be severely weakened by the Sun's dominant power, with the result that the planet will exert much less energy in the overall chart. In fact, in classical astrology a planet that is combust is automatically excluded from being the chart ruler; a planet in combust simply can't be powerful enough to rule the chart.

A "cazimi" is a certain special kind of conjunction in which a planet is so close to the Sun that it is actually within the solar disk. This is an exceedingly rare conjunction. Consider that in terms of astrology, a "conjunction" occurs when two planets are at the same degree around the horizon (called "right ascension"). But a conjunction does not require the two planets to be at the same elevation (or "declination"). One planet may be near the horizon, while the other may be almost overhead. As long as they are both at the same degree of the compass, they are considered in conjunction.

For a cazimi aspect, however, a planet must be right on top of the Sun by BOTH right ascension AND declination, so that the planet literally appears to be within the Sun's disk. This is very rare between any two planets, and even more rare between a planet and the sun. In most systems of astrology, two planets are conjunct when they are within 2 degrees of each other by right ascension (but can be as much as 89 degrees apart in declination). For a planet to be in cazimi, it must be within 17 MINUTES of the Sun, by both right ascension AND declination.

In this special, ultra-rare conjunction of cazimi, the Sun's energy does not overpower the energy of the other planet; instead, the Sun supercharges the other planet. In practical terms, any planet that is in cazimi is pretty much automatically the chart ruling planet. Such is the power of the Sun.

Note that the terms "combust" and "cazimi" apply ONLY to planetary conjunctions with the Sun. Any other two planets are simply regarded to be in conjunction with each other. (Although there is clear evidence that classical astrologers considered a conjunction by right ascension and declination to be more powerful than a conjunction only by right ascension.)

The Moon - considering the bipolar nature of the Sun and the Moon, it is not surprising that the Moon represents everything that the Sun is not. Where the Sun represents our personality and our conscious will, the Moon represents the subconscious - those aspects of our personality that are hidden, from ourselves as well as from others. As the Sun represents open knowledge and revelation, the Moon represents hidden knowledge and intuition. The Sun is warm and fire; the Moon is cool and water. The Sun is the rational intellect; the Moon is the psychic mind.

In virtually every classical mythology, the Moon was just as important in our lives as the Sun. It is only in modern Western astrology that the Sun has taken on a more primary importance, sometimes to the detriment of our understanding of the energy of the other planets.

Another idea to introduce here is the idea of dualism, because the Sun and the Moon are one of the clearest examples of dualism. The ancients, from the Mesopotamians to the Egyptians to the Greeks and Romans, recognized the idea of many of the forces of the world existing in a dual form - "equal but opposite." Both sides, both energies were necessary and vital. Indeed, it is difficult to understand some of the basic ideas of classical astrology without understanding this dualism - or, as it was called by the Greco-Romans, "polarity." The classical astrologers of the Renaissance referred to polarity as "sect."

The concept of polarity or sect pervades classical astrology. Every planet is assigned a polarity, either day/active/warm or night/passive/cold. Every sign also has a polarity. Even the four classical elements of fire/earth/air/water had polarities. These polarities are cumulative, so that a planet located in a sign of the same polarity would be strengthened; such a planet also located in the same hemisphere as the luminary of the same sect would be even stronger. This cumulative effect results in another very powerful placement, called "hayz."

There are three basic forms of sect or polarity. A planet can be located in a chart where the overall chart sect matches the planet's own sect ("chart sect"). A planet can be placed in the same hemisphere of the chart as the ruler of its sect ("hemisphere sect"). Or a planet can be placed in a sign that shares its sect ("sign sect"). A planet which is in sect in all three of these ways is said to be "in hayz," and is automatically considered to be elevated to very great power - approximately the same power as being in exaltation. By contrast, a planet which is "out of sect" in all three ways is considered severely debilitated.

Getting back to our basic discussion - the Sun and the Moon are the rulers of the two sects. Understanding sect or polarity gives us a greater understanding of the fundamental energies of the Sun and the Moon. The Moon as ruler of the "negative" or "night" sect has the power of cold, water, and passive energy; responding to the world rather than acting on the world. As mentioned before, the hidden world, the mystical world; ideas which cannot be comprehended rationally but instead must be "felt" on an intuitive level.

Consider also that the ancients had much fear of the Moon. As the ruler of night, the Moon was considered dangerous. The Moon changes its face, and at times it gives us no light. And the Moon is the only planet that is capable of eclipsing the Sun and blocking the life-giving light of the Sun. Early Mesopotamian cultures regarded the Moon as the Sun's "evil twin." By Greco-Roman times this had moderated somewhat, but the Moon has always been viewed as unstable, unpredictable, even dangerous. "Lunacy" or its more modern equivalent, being "moonstruck," is a good example of the sinister effect that the ancients thought the Moon was capable of exerting on us.

So in basic astrological terms, the Sun and the Moon as the two luminaries represent two equal but opposite aspects of our fundamental self, our personality. The Sun is the conscious life force, our awareness, and our understanding of ourselves and the world around us, the rational mind; the Moon is the subconscious life force, energy that moves and acts without our awareness, sometimes surprising us (and not always in a good way); the mystical, psychic mind.

Next we will explore each of the classical planets in turn...

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Back to Basics II - Planets and Signs

Grey — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:14:01 GMT

As established in the first essay, astrology is a system of describing the particular energy signatures generated by the planets and some key constellations, and attempting to predict behaviors and personality tendencies based on the interaction of those planets and constellations. Let's take a closer look at this idea.

In general terms, Mesopotamian astrology, first conceived by the Sumerians and Akkadians, and expanded and developed by the Babylonians, regarded the primary source of energy in a chart as the planets. Each of the seven "classical planets" (the Luminaries - Sun and Moon - and the five classical planets visible to the naked eye) exists in every chart. Therefore, in classical astrology, ALL of the planets must be considered when doing a chart interpretation. There is a hierarchy or ranking of which planet or planets are most significant in each particular chart (to be discussed later), but it is relatively rare that a planet will be assigned a "null value" or having no influence whatsoever in a chart. Even a negatively placed or aspected planet still generates energy that ripples through the chart.

In a similar manner, the ancients recognized certain stellar configurations as having their own energy signature. But even in earliest records, it is clear that these constellations or "signs" exerted more of a passive influence. The easiest way to explain the concept is this: the planets are the sources of energy, each one like a beam of light. The constellations or signs are filters through which that planetary energy passes. The sign affects and changes the planetary energy in some ways, although the basic energy of the planet will always be the same. But to take an example - Venus in Pisces will express its energy differently from Venus in Scorpio. The energy source is the same - but it is filtered through a different stellar configuration, which modifies the fundamental planetary energy.

This is another area where skeptics tend to try to "debunk" astrology, but even here there is a rational basis for the concept. We describe the planets as being "in" certain signs or constellations. With our modern understanding of astronomy, we realize that the stars in a particular constellation aren't necessarily close to each other in space - they may be hundreds or millions of light-years apart from each other. BUT - when one is standing on Earth, looking at a planet, and one examines the star field behind that planet, then it is easy to identify the relative positions of the stars in that constellation. These relative positions are constant over broad spans of time. When we look at the constellation of Leo, we know that not all of the stars are close to each other. But the position they hold in relation to each other is consistent. So the energy matrix generated by that configuration of stars is also consistent. When a planet is placed in a straight line between Earth and a constellation, it is reasonable to assume that the energy matrix of the star field behind the planet exerts an influence on the energy of the planet, an influence which moves in that same straight line to us here on Earth.

So the fundamental "building blocks" of classical astrology are these. Planets, each one a source of a unique, fundamental energy. Constellations or "signs," each one its own unique energy field or matrix that modulates and filters the basic energy of the planets that pass between those signs and us.

It is important to remember that these basic concepts underlying astrology have the benefit of thousands of years of research, thought, and belief. Although some psychologists do not accept the idea of "groupthink" or cultural memory, many others are beginning to accept the idea that repeated thought and attention and focus on a specific idea, by many people across many generations, creates its own energy that tends to reinforce and energize the idea. For example, the practices of voodoo have taken on a life of their own; for people who believe in voodoo, it works and exerts a very real and measurable physical and mental influence on them. In a similar way, whether or not there is a scientific basis for the underpinnings of astrology, so many people have believed it and worked with it and invested mental and psychic energy in it for so many thousands of years that it has accrued its own particular energy as a system of thought.

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Back to Basics I - Introduction

Grey — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:12:45 GMT

I get lots of private questions about matters of astrology, generated by people's postings here on the group. I thought it might be good to go back to some of the basic concepts of astrology, especially for newcomers. So over the next several days and weeks I will be presenting a set of essays for your review and discussion.

I encourage differences of opinion, debates, and discussion. However, I would ask as always that people keep the discussion civil.

I will say up front that what I am presenting here is a combination of three things:
1) My extensive reading and research into classical astrology
2) My experience with casting and interpreting charts - figuring out what "works" and what "doesn't work"
3) My gut instinct and intuition - what I call "commando astrology"

So some of this is going to be my personal opinions and interpretations of the principles of astrology. I will try to be good about identifying specifically when I am giving my own views, versus what is more generally accepted by the community at large, but forgive me in advance if I don't always insert a disclaimer. (grin)

So, to start at the very beginning...

One of the most fundamental questions about astrology is: how does it "work"? WHY does it seem to work so well for so many people?

There are as many answers to this question as there are astrologers. So this is definitely just my take on it. But I see astrology as a proto-science which looks at probabilities to make predictions about people's personality tendencies, and the relative probability of certain kinds of future events, based on the energy and influence of stars and planets in specific configurations.

We can identify some of the scientific underpinnings of astrology in other fields. We know that stars and planets generate gravitational energy that can act at great distances. We also know that stars and planets generate electromagnetic energy that our naked eye perceives as light. So it's not a stretch to say that stars and planets generate energy that can propagate over vast distances and reach us here on Earth. We experience this energy on a daily (or nightly) basis. If electromagnetic and gravitational energy can reach us, then other forms of energy can as well, even if we don't know how to measure them yet.

Astrology is a natural extension of that concept to the idea that the stronger energy fields generated by stars, and especially planets, can have an effect on things here on Earth. There are plenty of documented cases of people struck by lightning, or shocked by electricity, who have displayed powerful and in many cases permanent changes in personality and behavior. On a more subtle level, we know that people who live near electricity plants with powerful currents running through overhead power lines can exhibit physical symptoms that are side effects of the proximity to the electric field. It seems only logical to assume that electromagnetic/gravitational fields exerted by stars and planets might also be able to physically affect us.

Every star and every planet that astronomers have studied has its own unique electromagnetic and gravitational "signature," a particular energy field or matrix that is distinctive. Astronomers can identify a planet or a star based on this energy matrix, even if they can't see it in a telescope. This is an important concept to understand when working with astrology: every planet has its own unique energy matrix, and it exerts its energy in a consistent and predictable way. The same principle can be applied to the stars. Certain configurations and alignments of stars could quite conceivably work together as a set of energies, creating its own "energy matrix."

The ancients had an intuitive grasp of this idea even before they had the capability to measure electromagnetic fields. They ascribed certain types of energy, "personalities" if you will, to the planets they could see with the naked eye and, later, to the planets they could see with early simple telescopes. Over time these unique planetary signatures became equated with personality archetypes, and from there it's a short step to personifying those archetypes as gods and goddesses. It's in the Mesopotamian cultures (Sumer, Akkad, Babylonia) that we have the first written records of the planets being perceived as the physical embodiment of energies and personalities. To the Mesopotamians, the planets (and some of the brighter stars) weren't just symbols of their deities; the planets themselves WERE the deities. And from the Mesopotamians we inherited the belief that those planets exerted a direct, physical influence on happenings here on Earth. The Mesopotamians incorporated into this system the idea of certain specific combinations of stars - the "signs" - as also generating energy and exerting an influence, although in a less direct way than the planets. To the Mesopotamians, the primary deities were the planets; the lesser deities were the constellations.

Over time, the Mesopotamians developed a surprisingly sophisticated and complex system for describing these energies and their influence on us. This is the system that has come down to us as astrology. Regrettably, since it had its roots in myth and legend, it is easy to "debunk" astrology or call it a sham. However, it should be pointed out that almost every science that we practice today had its start in a similar manner. Take chemistry, for example. Chemistry is the direct descendant of the pseudoscience of alchemy, in which philosophers and scientists attempted to transmute lesser metals into gold. Their detailed records of experimentation provided us with a framework of systematic testing, eliminating of possible alternative explanations, and narrowing down to specific cause-and-effect scenarios - the basis for the "scientific method" that is still in use today. Alchemists didn't understand the mechanics of WHY chemical reactions acted the way they did - but their results were just as valid.

In a similar way, we may not have a full understanding of WHY astrology works, because our understanding of it is incomplete. But that doesn't change the reality that astrology, when applied uniformly and consistently, does produce statistically measurable results. Is it 100% accurate? No. Then again, Isaac Newton's theory of physics wasn't 100% accurate, either. But there is no arguing the fact that astrology does indicate correlations between certain placements and aspects of planets and certain specific personality and behavior tendencies. Even if it's only a 20% greater chance of correctly predicting a behavior tendency, that is still a statistically measurable chance that falls outside the range of "random." The better we understand astrology, the better our statistical probabilities will become.

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transit pluto

Yvonne — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:30:16 GMT

about to cross my 2nd house cusp in capricorn and square my midheavein in libra at the same time...
any idea of what to expect? :)

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Attraction

John — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:01:20 GMT

Would good mercury or communication synastry by house lead to more of an attraction or be more important to the air signs?

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triple gemini?

Natalia — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:00:19 GMT

My boyfriend is a triple Gemini.
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds scary as hell.
Does that mean that there are 6 personalities.
He doesn't seem to have that gemini split personality thing. Is it because he is balanced in all 3?
When I read normal gemini stuff, it really doesn't seem to resonate with him.
Can someone help me figure him out please?

He is born 5am, June 15, 1969. london, england.

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Mercury in Pisces... the unconfident pleasers?

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:42:27 GMT

So Mercury is currently in Pisces again (after having passed a crappy, cloudy retrograde), and I can't help but notice how much it's taking out of me. My Mercury also happens to be in it's dreaded position of Pisces, and right now, Mars is transiting opposite my Natal Mercury, which is driving me absolutely nuts (and just yesterday Mars finished it's retrograde as well)! I don't know if all of this is just making us Mercury in Pisces worse, but recently I've come to notice its become painfully obvious in my actions. Somehow, I'm just not feeling as "confident" while talking, or walking or anything anymore, like I'm being completely drained by my surroundings. I've had a pretty hectic schedule as of late, but I don't feel as if that's it. It's like I've become a complete social puppet, abiding to what others have to say, incessantly pleasing others because I don't know how to mutter a "no" or anything close to a negation, nervous and stutter-y in my speech, and extremely self aware, to the point that I'm self-conscious. I almost don't recognize this person that I'm usually so good at hiding. Sometimes my ideas get lost in my speech, things come out completely opposite as I intended, and my conversations take a complete 180 as if I had meant to say the opposite of what I had actually meant. I try to convey what I know, but it has the opposite effect, and it reflects upon me and my work. To say the least, it has been a struggle, and very frustrating, but it got me to thinking...

Have I always been like this? Since I was about 12 years old, I can't remember not caring about what others think. I may not have shown it, but I can't say that I've never felt it. I've had my up and down moments, like everyone else, and better times than others, but even a couple of my best times have been a little hard to enjoy, even though I never truly confront it, and keep living like it doesn't exist, and like I'm completely internally unbothered by it. It's almost as if my life is a skit that I'm endlessly trying to perfect. I don't know if any of you guys with the same position have felt this way, but it's like if we can't make our "fantasies" come true, then we don't feel like we're actually living. I'm using "fantasies" really liberally, because I'm referring to what we make out the world to be in general, in other words, our basic expectations of daily life. Disappointments come hard and in abundance to Mercury in Pisces. It's not just the feeling of "If I don't get it my way then..." like someone with Sun/Mars conjunction would have, or the "I can't believe that it wasn't me.." like the vain Sun/Venus conjunction (and yup, I got that too), but more along the lines of "This world is so different from my world, and it fucking sucks." So then to try and compensate for how shitty things actually get we "try" to make them better through our failed, overly pushy communication, in an innocent attempt to make life a little less hostile, or maybe to be a little more liked, who knows?. Sometimes I get so disappointed by people that it completely shrouds all of my other thoughts, and all of what's left of my dear Aquarian objectivity. I wallow on it so much that it becomes my reality until I get over it, but of course I'd be too proud to admit this otherwise. I guess it's something that I've been going through all of my life, but never really analyzed it as thoroughly as now.

This reminds me of my Chiron (in the third house). Most of my deep hurts, disappointments, motivations, losses, gains and hard transitions have come through some form of communication, especially something that has been said. Curious shit.

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House rulerships....

Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:13:45 GMT

I found this fun to check out, so i thought i'd share from the site i found it

Ruler of the First House in the First House

You want to create a distinct first impression on other people and the image you project is very important to you. There may be a strong resemblance to one of your grandparents.

Ruler of the First House in the Second House

You have a strong desire to accumulate possessions and earning your own money is important to you. What you have, materially speaking, influences your outlook on life. Creating your own sense of liberty and freedom largely depends on how well you handle your financial security issues.

Ruler of the First House in the Third House

You're curious about life and learning is important to you. You want to get your ideas noticed and communication is important to you.
There is a strong need to feel well integrated into your immediate community and you may make many short local trips.
You tend to have a lot of interest in your siblings if you have them and you identify strongly with close relatives in general.

Ruler of the First House in the Fourth House

You may have a strong identification with your mother and/or your home and it's likely that your upbringing had a strong influence on you. You enjoy your privacy and the domestic scene in general. Inheritance in the form of real estate of some kind is a possibility, perhaps through a grandparent.

Ruler of the First House in the Fifth House

You enjoy most forms of play and recreation. Love, love affairs and other social activities help to enhance a healthy self image.
There may also be a strong identification with children in general, even your own children. You are creative and you have the ability to hold the attention of an audience. Remember, you can't go wrong when you follow the dictates of your own heart.

Ruler of the First House in the Sixth House

This chart factor indicates that you have a strong work ethic and you probably identify yourself by the work you are capable of doing. Health is important to you and very often your outlook on life affects your well-being. Avoid getting caught up in negative downward spirals. You are the type of person who can reap personal benefits from staying active and feeling useful. Your own cares and concerns will melt away when you find a way to become involved in helping others.

Ruler of the First House in the Seventh House

The relationships that you form with other people, such as your marriage partner or best friends, will represent a high priority for you. Even though you make a strong impression on other people whether you're aware of it or not you really care about their opinions and their acceptance of you. Where diplomacy is a plus, you can teach others something about the fine art of cooperation. You'd make a fine counselor because of your ability to relate to other people.

Ruler of the First House in the Eighth House

You may have a lot of curiosity about the so-called mysteries of life such as occult practices and other metaphysical studies. You can develop your psychic abilities or perhaps you are more drawn to the healing potential found in the eighth house.
You'll likely have an important experience that transforms your life approach in a major way. Whatever it is, you'll emerge more evolved at a very deep level of your being. Other people's resources, such as a spouse's money, or an inheritance, could play a significant role in your life somehow.

Ruler of the First House in the Ninth House

You have a strong interest in broadening your mental experiences, perhaps through higher education, exploring different philosophies of life, or even through developing your own ideas about what makes the universe tick. Be ready to do some long distance traveling during your life. It's in the stars.

Ruler of the First House in the Tenth House

Whatever career you end up in, it's one that you feel a strong sense of identity with. You may also have a strong identity with your father, or perhaps just authority figures in general. You have an enhanced sense of duty and responsibility, which accounts for your sometimes very serious outlook on life. People know this and they don't mind handing over the controls to you when the time comes.

Ruler of the First House in the Eleventh House

Your friends, acquaintances and other large groups of people will play important roles in your life overall. Humanitarian pursuits and organizations dedicated to some kind of wide-scale social change may become significant to you also. You may strongly identify with those things that are considered to be ahead of the times, or with anything that breaks with societal traditions.

Ruler of the First House in the Twelfth House

Your outlook on life can be brought into balance by spending some time alone to meditate and recharge your batteries.
Avoid becoming your own adversary by falling into the "woe is me" victim trap. Spiritual philosophies that go beyond traditional orthodox viewpoints can bring revealing insights into your life and the meaning of it all. You may identify somehow with large public institutions that provide a service to society, especially the helping professions.

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Watery planets on the MC :-S

Rebecca — Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:48:15 GMT

Text books would generally give the impression that the moon or Neptune on the MC would give a rather diffused, sensitive, passive and, possibly, poetic approach to life etc etc... However, if Cancer (in the former instance) or Pisces (in the latter instance) were the rising sign (therefore the moon or Neptune becoming chart rulers in either case) do you think these placings would actually be the signature of a direct, individualistic and expressive nature??? In other words, do you think some of the fiery and assertive 1st house qualities would accompany these watery planets sat at the top of the chart? It is my feeling that some of the somewhat lackadaisical qualities of these planets would be negated and that they may find more impetus and purpose.

Please share your thoughts :-)

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sun square pluto natal aspect

Shinra tensei — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:01:57 GMT

Tell me your experiences with natal sun square pluto aspect!

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Jupiter in Scorpio - The Criminal Mind.

Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:22:16 GMT

This is an area I have never got into, but looking at some of the Criminal Minds with Jupiter in Scorpio. It's something that needs to be looked at.

I was just reading up on Ted Bundy. On one of his victims, he sexually assualted a woman with a Speculum. Sex is a key issue regarding this Astrological type. But in this instance, it was an act of violence rather than intimacy.

What's useful in knowing that is, how Jupiter in Scorpio exercise power and control. Most people never enact out their fantasies. But a few bring it into reality. For them, killing is an aphrodisiac.

I read earlier that Jupiter in Scorpio can either be the cure or the cause. They are certainly powerful types, who can influence many.

Al Capone through Bootlegging, Racketeering and Prostitution, became the Crime Boss of Chicago. He ruled through sparking terror and creating fear.

I haven't seen it yet by Natal position, but when Jupiter has been transiting through Scorpio, the emergence of Pedophile rings attracts attention. There has also been a great deal of attention focused on Women, who have been in positions of trust as well. It's not just applicable to Men.Whether Natally or by transit, it just goes to show us how power and influence can be abused

What triggers these influences. is it enviromental. A lack of emotional support. Or is it that some people just like doing these thing's for the pleasure.

Another example was the notorious Nazi Dr Joseph Mengele. He was known as "The Angel of Death". He performed experiements on Auschwitz Prisoners and Children. He was fascinated by identical Twins. He also directed Sterilisations of Women and Shock Treatments. He supervised who did and didn't go to the Gas Chambers.

There have been some good Surgeons with Jupiter in Scorpio. But Mengele was an extreme example of violating standards of Medical practice. It has remained contraversial to this day. Just how far does Medical Science have the right to go.

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T-square plus North/South node???

Snooglemonster — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:03:57 GMT

Hi, I'm new around here and I have been trying to figure something out in my chart that is really conflicting for me.

I have a fixed t-square

Mercury (Aquarius) square Pluto (Scorpio)
Mercury Square Mars (Taurus)
Mars Opposition Pluto

So Mercury is the Apex leaving my 5th house (Leo cusp) as the empty leg? What's confusing is my south node is also in that house, but in a different sign , Virgo, and my north node in Pisces!!!! I'm thinking that this means that although I am drawn to being creative and being the center of attention that is not what my life mission is????

Any takers???

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How to determine your rising sign without a birth time on your birth certificate???

linda — Mon, 31 May 2010 22:51:46 GMT

Hello everyone!

I've been studying astrology since I was 15 years old & to this day, still find it incredibly fascinating...I'm sure I haven't explored all there is to know about astrology....but I am willing to learn anything if given the proper amount of time...

Anyhow, I suppose I should get to the reason why I'm posting this....for as long as I've been studying astrology, is as long as I have been trying to use astrology as a tool to find out more about myself....see, my problem is that I always been confused about certain aspects of myself....and I thought that maybe doing something like this could clear this up....my question is I never knew what my rising sign was because my birth certificate didn't list it.

And I couldn't ask for a copy of the original, because the hospital I was born in burned down shortly after I left the city....so I guess, what I'm trying to ask from anyone is...can you correctly determine your ascendant without the aid of a proper birth time? Most likely not, but it's worth a shot to ask...

Thanks in advance!

-Lulu :)

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Wealth and money making potential in the chart

Sarah — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 10:16:45 GMT

Hi all!!!

Yes the big MONEY and MATERIALISM question (i am sure someone will pull me up on the conceptual differences between the two...)... what are the indicators in a chart? how do they manifest for you? AND...if there are indicators of wealth in the chart (through career/job versus 8th house- "other people") how do you work out how long it will take for this wealth to manifest or start growing?? Also what is the relationship btw the 6th house/2nd house and 10th house in terms of financial wealth...

My story (short version): Am 31, still broke. Career seeeems to be developing but given i am in research and stilll technically a student, this does not coincide with financial wealth. i seem to be accumulating debt (although not too much). I am very financially dependent on my partner, who is very generous and we are comfortable but I would like my own earnings to contribute financially and to have choices etc... money has never been a priority for me but the time has come where i am feeling the brunt of not being in control of my financial situation. looking for an end or a brighter personal financial future. will it come through career?

Very interested in hearing stories from others who have turned their financial situation around over their lifetime and how this relates to their natal or transits. more interested in personal effort than windfalls (which seems more attributable to fate or luck rather than ones own personal power...you know what i mean)

S...

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Calling Fiona! Or anyone who knows what they're doing. lol

Holland — Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:02:43 GMT

Hello! I'm new here, and I read article a few months back concerning how Neptune/Pisces as a career indicator. I think this may ring true. If I posted my placements, do you think you could help me in figuring out what might best suit me? I'm a desperate 38 year old, lol. I thank you so much for the help!

Holland

Virgo Asc.
sun/uranus/pluto in libra 2nd
merc in scorpio 3rd
ven/nept Sag 4th
jupiter Aquarius 5th
aquarius 6th cusp
pisces 7th cusp
aries 8th cusp
mars taurus 9th
saturn cancer 10th
gem midheaven
moon cancer 11th
leo 12th cusp

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Date of Birth...

Allan — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:14:33 GMT

"On 23 June 1985 an Air India flight exploded over the Atlantic Ocean at 7.14 am GMT, just off the Irish Coast. Little evidence of the cause was found, but according to the TV series Air Crash Investigations, a bomb was responsible. The bomb came to be on board because a scanning machine had broken down at an airport in Canada, and the clerk at the desk was in a hurry and under pressure. All 329 people on board were killed. This is the sixth worst crash in aviation history."

What effect would that have on a personal level? I ran across it while I was studying Mutual Receptions.. http://www.celestialinsight.com.au/articles/Skygodsimplicatedinaviationaccidents.htm

Im born at 12:38 on that date.

Has anybody ever read what happened on their date of birth? I can see my personality being quite explosive ;)

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Neptune Retrograde

Lady Saber — Mon, 26 Jul 2010 03:56:25 GMT

The Lord of the Oceans is sweeping back in his retrograde, making murky what may have been clear. Is this a good time to fantasize, to dip into your subconscious? Take everything with a pinch of salt.?Talk about it here.

Neptune is already in my second house of finances and resources where it doesn't mess with my head like it does with the first house where I just cannot wrap my head around duties and responsibilities and if I do it takes a bit more time especially with distractions abound. It's like flying blind in a cave for the first time with nothing but a sonar device.

I don't mind it in the second house for as long as Jupiter is also there, except that Neptune is also retrograding towards a square with my natal Venus in Scorpio at 21 degrees. The hard aspect to Venus on my zenith has lots to do with my soft headedness, but it also helped with my writing the book.

I've stopped writing the last couple of months and hope that the aspects help me with writing again.

Tell me of your Neptune transit. You might also feel Neptune's transit strongly if your planets are deposited in Pisces. Woohoo!

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Confusion in career - Which one shall I choose? Need Astrological help

Sridhar — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:14:23 GMT

Respected all astrology Gurus,

I like to know the reason for the problems in my career for the past 10 years. Local astrologers says my life will be good in abroad.
I'm 33 years old now. Till now I'm not even tried and also I don't find any foreign opportunities. Also after 33 years old, will I have better career life in abroad? If so please brief in detail about direction and kind of job...
Will any Business suits me according to my horoscope?

Looking forward all your replies to come to a conclusion and to take a concrete decision.

Name : Sridhar
DOB : 03-03-1979
Time : 00.45 (Mid night) IST
Latitude: 10° 46' North
Longitude: 79° 50' East
Place : Nagapattinam, Tamilnadu

Thanking you all Gurus

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Getting different results on astro.com and cafeastrology.com - why?

Kate — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:56:09 GMT

I use both these sites and for a person born 6/3/1950, 9 AM, NY, NY, I am getting different Asc and houses.

Astro.com says 9 AM in NYC is 13:00 Universal time, Cancer asc 28 degrees. Cafeastrology.com gives Leo asc at 10 degrees. These are an hour apart. I am confused...which is correct? Do these sites incorporate daylight savings time?

Thanks!

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In Defense of Klaudio Zic and 21st Century View of the Solar System

Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:03:44 GMT

I noticed that there are some people that talked bad about Klaudio Zic.

They seem to disrespect him as an astrologer because he seems soooo out there.

I just want to point out that when he talks about certain planets going in constellations that are off the ecliptic, he is not being far out.
He's going by the International Astronomical Unit (IAU) boundary constellations. Some of the planets that we use have considerable inclination from the ecliptic, and they can go in different constellations like Pluto has up to 17 degree inclination from the Ecliptic and can be in other constellations. A matter of fact, my Pluto is 14 degrees from the ecliptic and is in the IAU constellation of Coma Berenices.

The following objects have the following orbital tilts

Mercury - 7.0°
Venus - 3.4°
Moon - 5.15°
Mars 1.9°
Ceres - 10.6°
Pallas - 34.8°
Jupiter - 1.3°
Chiron - 6.9°
Saturn - 2.5°
Uranus - 0.8°
Neptune - 1.8°
Pluto - 17.1°

There are 29 signs in the Planetary Zodiac. Coma Berenices, Leo Minor, Sextans and Scutum, are not the original constellations of Claudius Ptolemy, the Father of Astrology. 25 planetary constellations would have been seen by the Classical Greek astrologers.

So why talk smack about another astrologer for having his own different way of doing Astrology?
Who are you to judge?
There are a lot of skeptics of Astrology that judge us astrologers as being delusional and/or fraudulent.
Why throw stones in glass houses?

Also.....if you read Klaudio mention objects with no names and just numbers, they are probably the designator numbers before objects get named like 2001 KX76 was the designator for Ixion which happens to be only 5 minutes conjunct my Sun , and so I have Sun-Ixion cazimi (in the heart of the Sun). He's probably not making stuff up.

There are astrologers who investigate and do research on Centaurs and Transneptunians before they are named.
Some of those astrologers proposed names for Centaurs which got accepted by astronomers. The centaur,Nessus was the first object that astrologers proposed a name for that got accepted by astrologers.

You might want to poo poo certain astrologers for not just sticking to the regular stuff, but there are groundbreaking astrologers who have given valuable insights into centaurs and transneptunian objects. They have contributed to naming some objects in the solar system. They are an example of being part of the bridging between Astrology and Astronomy.

I wish that I was in their league, but I am not even close even though I would love to be some day. I admire Zane Stein and Philip Sedgwick. Even though I have diverged from them by not focusing on zodiac signs and houses, I still admire and respect them greatly.

You might want to consider what Steven Forrest said in an article:

The New Solar System
http://www.forrestastrology.com/General-Astrology/the-new-solar-system

He doesn't diss asteroids either! Check this out!
"First, a bit more history. Just twenty years after the discovery of Uranus, a planetary discovery appeared to happen again: Giuseppe Piazzi. discovered Ceres in 1801. It was at first hailed as a new planet—after all, other than the occasional comet, we’d discovered nothing but planets until then, so the assumption was natural.
Then, just one year later, Pallas was found—in basically the same orbit as Ceres. Astronomers and astrologers had always understood planets as occupying separate orbits, so something strange was going on here. Then Juno was discovered in 1804 and Vesta in 1807, all in similar orbits between Mars and Jupiter. It was quickly recognized that these bodies were in a different class than Mercury or Uranus. The term “minor planet” was coined, and later our more familiar word, “asteroid.”
"By the early nineteenth century, the solar system was clearly becoming a more complex place than we’d ever imagined. Did these asteroids have meaning? Yes, for sure—anyone who explores them quickly realizes that they are significant symbols. A lot of astrologers have worked with the so-called “Big Four” asteroids—which actually are only the first four that happened to be to be discovered. (Hygiea, discovered by de Gasparis in 1849, is actually a lot bigger than Juno.) But my aim here is not really to interpret asteroids. Many astrologers are far more knowledgeable about them than I am. Demetra George’s book, Asteroid Goddesses (2), is a great place to get started. I would also like to call attention to a wonderful article in the last issue of Mountain Astrologer, John Challen’s “The Expansive Mirror of the Asteroids,”* and also to Martha Lang-Wescott’s Mechanics of the Future: Asteroids. * If you are drawn to this branch of the astrological world, a practical way of staying right on the cutting edge is to get involved with the Asteroid Special Interest Group (SIG) of the National Council for Geocosmic Research. (3)"

He doesn't diss transneptunians either.
check this out
"‎"Then there are the trans-Neptunians. Their message is that, if we are not too hung up on the rocky worlds, and we manage to make some progress with the gas giants, it appears that a new possibility arises: one that involves identifying with transcendent functions in ourselves . . . not just “perceiving” higher worlds (that’s Neptune, an ego-function), but actually entering them directly, however heavy and “psychedelic” that experience may be."

exactly.....my view was Neptune was like piercing the veil to take a glimpse at the "other side" and transneptunian dwarf planets was being on the "other side"

‎"PLUTO. The Guardian of the Gate. How perfect it is that Pluto spends twenty years or so of its two-and-a-half century orbit actually inside of Neptune’s sphere. Like a Shaman, it crosses between our world and the next one. Like Casteneda’s Don Juan, it “moves fluidly between the worlds.” I suspect that, in the future as more trans-Neptunians are discovered and understood, we will realize we that we have made our interpretations of Pluto too broad; that its meaning is more focused than we thought, and that the archetype of the Shaman will be seen as increasingly the heart of the Plutonian matter."

I like that he said: ", in the future as more trans-Neptunians are discovered and understood, we will realize we that we have made our interpretations of Pluto too broad"

That's the point that I have been trying to make to other astrologers. That's why I wrote the post, Pluto is NOT THE TRANSFORMER IN MY LIFE which was controversial because it went against mainstream astrological views.

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Solar Return 6th house sun-experiences?

Just A Girl — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 15:34:39 GMT

My Solar Return is coming up with Sun in 6th. I read an interpretation of this on the Cafe Astrology website some time back. I seen posts on here from a different thread saying that Cafe Astrology might not be the most accurate info, so thought I would ask y'all... Their interpretation of this said that the focus of this year would be on work and health, which should be expected and obvious concerning the 6th. What I was wondering about was: it said that the focus on work/health would be to the exclusion of fun and romance, and that new romances almost never start during this solar return. Great. Have been letting that area of my life slide due to focusing too much on other things that required more attention, and so now love life is in non-exsistent sad state. Reeeeaaallly want/need to fix this! The transits I will be under this year seem to focus on internal growing, learning, maturing blah blah, and don't support or oppose a new relationship. Other parts of solar return seem to support it, with moon/uranus in 5th house and Scorpio ascendant. Anyway, what was your experience of a solar return 6th house Sun in regards to love life? Thanks!

Girl

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taurus sun, aquarius moon, sagittarius ascendant

Bilhahyasmyn — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:05:12 GMT

i know what each of these mean individually but what do they mean in terms of an individual? Basically when you combine the three into one person what is the description of that individual?

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Double vertex mars conjunction in synastry

Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:47:17 GMT

both conjunction is very close
any thoughts?

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Help with a friends dilmena: mercury Retrograde and moving home.

nephos~machinist — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:44:32 GMT

Hi,

I was wondering if I could get some advice on behalf of a friend? She wants to know if it is inadvisbale to move during the Mercury retrograde period this month? She has been struggling to find a place, and is under pressure to keep a job whilst trudging around her city searching for a room. Most of the rooms she finds are either unsatisfactory or out of her price range. There is a room availabe on the 20th of March, which is cheap but small. Another room is available tomorrow onwards, but obviously the sooner the better for that room if she chose to take it, other wise someone else will get it. But it is situated next to a petrol station.

Anyway, she wants to know, when should she move? Or should she not move and wait for the Mercury retrograde to pass?

Here is a link (address if it's not auto-linked) to her Chart:

http://people.tribe.net/372fe795-4cdb-4961-bbee-959ee6bf2093/photos/a175f5f5-fda8-4a57-a3a0-861bcfc0c4b9

Thanking any replies in advance,

Nephos.

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Need help, Carrier is stagnant going no where, please help me

chandan — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:59:00 GMT

Respected sir/Madam
I am a post graduate in Computer's(MCA) but i
haven't settled in my career yet with a secure full-
time job,i have been facing so many problems on
financial and struggling a lot to get job and settled
down in a good company.Is it still going to take
more time or it will happen soon?When will i find a
job related to my qualification? I am requesting all
astrologers to put some light on me. please
My Details:
D.0.B - 24th December 1982 on Friday
Place of birth- Hassan, Karnataka

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Saturn's return to my messy 4th house

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:44:04 GMT

Hi everyone!

I'm sure there have been a lot of topics when it comes to Saturn and its return. I don't think its particularly enjoyable for anyone who is going through it, but I'm extra frightened because it's returning to the house that to me represents some toughest times of my life. The bare thought of emotionaly going back to that place scares me, to say the least, but I would rather familiarize myself with how this transition might manifest itself in my life, then not know (even though I know you can never fully prepare yourself for it). I hope my chart in my profile will be visible to those interested to give me some input,and I would really, really appreciate any input.
Saturn just entered my 4th house, soon enough it will transit over my Pluto, then Saturn, then Mars all in 4th in Sco. Pl and Sa are both sq Asc. I have other ascpects of these planets as well, so again, I hope my chart will be visibile.
I just relocated (probably with Saturn entering my 4th). This is not the first time I am moving (surpise, surpise), but it is the first time I am moving by my own choice choosing the time and the location. I just graduated, but something is preventing me to start my new career. Instead I am even struggling to find a regular job so that we (my husband and I) can survive. Right now, Pl is preparing to enter my 6th house and conjunct my natal Jupiter. I wonder what will that bring, but with everything else that will be going on with my 4th, I am not sure it will be change for better. I just realized I sound really pessimistic, and that was not my intent. Even though we are going through a lot of changes, and situation might not look the brightest at the moment, I must say I feel very grounded and peaceful at the moment and I don't even know why. But, the change is just around the corner and whatever happens I hope will be equipped enough to deal with it.

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Astrologers Anonymous

Allan — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:17:49 GMT

I notice that Im on tribe allot and read many postings, do anybody else do this? I mean I could spend my time on facebook but its not the same. Tribe is cool cause it allows me to say whats on my mind. Tho nobody hardly talks here anymore, there used to be a time everybody and there bother and sister were debating...What has caused such a change in tribe? Is it Facebook....I think ever since facebook came abouts people have turned retarded. Seriously talk past-tense...Like give me a cookie after I respond. I don't understand, where you all go to? Where you all hiding at?

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Effect of retrograde planets in chart

Sridhar — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:15:52 GMT

Respected Gurus

1. What's the effect of exalted retrograde Jupiter in Cancer?

2. What's the effect of retrograde and vargottama Saturn in Leo?

Looking forward your replies

Thanking you

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Sun in the 7th house

MantisReligiosa — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:58:31 GMT

I use Whole Sign house system, but..it's a free world, so you may read this even if you use Placidus.

here it is: http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Graha/Surya/Surya_in_7_alliance.htm

Anyway, I'm in awe of the accuracy of this description I came across on a Vedic astrology website. Surya or Ravi means Sun, in case you are wondering..anyway, that stuff about how they choose partners that eventually argue with them and end up miserable..I checked some charts(again, yes, Paul, there were no more than 10. So, I'm generalizing) and it's amazing how it fits.
So, I guess if Sun in the 7th applies for general misery in partnerships(unless you have some other planets in there, in which case, it may vary) Sun in any house shows how you "do it to yourself" in the area that that house rules.
I'd be curious to hear more..especially curious about Sun in the 12th house, because it's the quietest and weirdest..I'm curious to hear experiences.

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Saturn transit through 10th House (personal experiences???)

Gabby — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:15:57 GMT

Wondering if anyone here IS or HAS experienced a Saturn transit of the 10th House?

I did when I was a child, but that doesn't help much.

My sister has just completed hers (Saturn has just moved into her 11th), and she had her first child and lost her job teaching at a university (because she didn't get as much done in regards to research as they expected of her).

I think in the end she is probably being directed towards something better for her (Saturn also conjuncted her NN in this transit), so that's good... but it has been financially very hard for her.

I don't get Saturn fear like a lot of people do (maybe my Saturn/Jupiter conj. natally gives Saturn a little levity for me?), but I do wonder how this transit has played out for other people.

Surely hardship/limitation/added responsibility in regards to career would be playing out in some way?

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Adolf Hitler Evil Because of Sedna? - I Don't Think So!

Sun, 11 Mar 2012 01:52:26 GMT

Man....Magi Society is ridiculous! I was considering joining because I wanted to know about their insights about the transneptunian dwarf planets.

I am reading a write up that they did about Hitler. These jerks are trying to say that Adolf Hitler was evil because he was Sedna Man.

"In fact, we recently explained that the Magi Society has learned that the newly discovered planet named Sedna is the planet that rules EVIL AND THE DARK SIDE OF EVERYTHING."

‎"Hitler’s Sedna Juno Pluto Planetary Geometry means obsessive (Pluto) evil (Sedna) delusions (Juno). It also means powerful (Pluto) and harmful (Sedna) delusions (Juno) and intentions (Juno).

The Sedna Pluto Juno triangle also means that Hitler had the ability (Pluto) to gain power (Pluto) by exploiting (Sedna) other people’s illusions (Juno)."

‎"Adolf Hitler was born with a “Zodiac7 yod.” It is comprised of Earth, Mars and Sedna and this is the Central Planetary Geometry of this Zodiac7 chart because it is most exact (just 0.3 degrees apart at most) and formed by more planets than any other piece of Planetary Geometry in the chart.

We can accurately interpret the meaning of Zodiac7 Planetary Geometry by using the exact same principles of Magi Astrology we use to interpret the meaning of Planetary Geometry in a Classic Magi Astrology chart.

By applying these Magi principles, Magi Astrology informs us that Hitler’s nearly exact Zodiac7 Yod of Earth, Sedna and Mars means Hitler was a man predisposed towards becoming an evil (Sedna) man (Earth) of war (Mars).

Mars also rules killing, which of course is the most intrinsic component of war. So Hitler’s Zodiac7 yod also means Hitler was a brutal (Sedna) man (Earth) and killer (Mars).

Which, of course, he was. Hitler caused more killing than any other person in of the 20th century."

‎"In Hitler’s geocentric Classic Chartwheel, the Central Planetary Geometry is the double T-Square formed by Hitler’s natal Sedna, Chiron, Jupiter and Moon. This double T-Square is formed because Sedna is square to Chiron, square to Jupiter and square to the Moon.

· By utilizing the principles of Magi Astrology, we know that Hitler’s double T-Square means he is diabolical (Sedna) and wants to destroy what is good (Sedna square Jupiter), is willing to destroy families (Sedna square Chiron). And Hitler has a mean streak (Sedna square Moon)."

‎"Hitler was certainly as evil as anyone could be. But Himmler was just as horrible a person – that is why he could mercilessly exterminate 6 million Jews. Most of us could not live with ourselves if we had killed even one innocent person, even by accident. But Himmler meticulously planned and directly the extermination of 6 million Jews for the sole reason they were Jews.

Only Magi Astrology knows the astrological reasons Himmler was just as evil as Hitler does. Below is Himmler’s Classic Magi Astrology chart showing that he was born with a Double Grand Trine of Jupiter conjunct Uranus, both in trine to Mars and Sedna."

‎"The Double Grand Tines mean successful (Jupiter) at evil killing (Sedna trine Mars) on a worldwide (Uranus) and universal (Uranus) level. Magi Astrology informs us that this double Grand Trine can result in the ability to plunge the world into a demonic war.

Again and again, you can see how crucial the discovery of Sedna has been – and how important it is to know that Sedna corrupts everything it touches.

The depth of Himmler’s evil is unimaginable but Magi Astrology provides us with the astrological reason for Himmler’s proclivity for being evil and how he could constantly make the choices that dug him deeper and deeper into being a demonic beast."

http://www.magiastrology.com/zodiac7.htm

After reading this, I can't take Magi Society seriously. I was thinking that.....ok...Sedna can be bad as a transit in the sky, but I didn't think that they would blame Sedna for an evil person. Nobody is born evil. How can astrology show if a person is evil or not?

The only thing that I agree with Magi Society is their emphasis on on just Planetary Geometry.

Man...I want to kick their asses, but if I do that, then I will proving their point about Sedna being evil with my being a Sedna Man myself. hahahaha
Oh...Hitler and I both have Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint too. He has the 5th harmonic triangle. I have the t-square.

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Setting The Record Straight About Myself

Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:15:13 GMT

Some people get accused of forcing views down somebody's throat for expressing different views?

It just seems like a cop-out attack against others that express views different from them.

I never told anybody that I am right and others are wrong.
I never told anybody that they should believe and do what I believe and do. I don't do that. That's why I am not into organized religion.

I typed in my post

"I am a believer in tolerance of diversity which I believe is
something is my greatest lesson with my highly evolutionary
intensified collective Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment, and so I will
not claim that any system is right or wrong."

I don't lack respect for astrologers who differ from me.
I even have a great deal of respect for Steven Forrest even though I do Zodiac Sign Astrology like he does. I respect him for his wisdom and humility. I appreciate his open-mindedness about things in Astrology. I wish a lot more astrologers are like him.

What I do is no different from what Zane Stein, Philip Sedgwick,Demetria George,Douglas Bloch and Martha Lang-Wescott does.

If it wasn't for Demetria George and Douglas Bloch, I wouldn't be into asteroids. It was their book, ASTROLOGY FOR YOURSELF that got me interested in asteroids including especially the 4 major asteroids. I even got their Asteroid Goddesses report program.

If it wasn't for Zane Stein's Centaur and Friends group, I wouldn't even be interested in the transneptunians and centaurs. I always give him credit as the astrologer who inspired my interest in the transneptunians and centaurs. Of course, you know that my interest is in mainly the transneptunian dwarf planets. It's because I am very strong in those objects compared to Pluto's strength in my chart. They are the missing pieces of the puzzles into giving into insight who and what I really am.

Please try to know the real me.

I created and am an admin of Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group
http://www.facebook.com/groups/131944976821905/

I am an admin of Asteroid Astrology facebook group.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/148954948497746/

I am an admin of SunMoon Astrology
http://www.facebook.com/groups/249755255057026/

I am also a moderator at SunMoon Astrology site, and my username is Glaucus which I have been using since 2000.
http://www.sunmoonastrology.com/forums

I am well-liked and respected even though I am a person diverges from most astrologers and express alternative viewpoints. Most importantly, I don't tell them that they are wrong and I am right. I don't claim to have truth nor knowledge. I even dismiss people's compliments about my abilities by just saying that I am very passionate and curious about Astrology. I have also given many astrological readings/reports since 1999. I have even made up documents of astrological resources that people could check out. I'd stay up all night making them. I do astrological readings without any type of judgment. I just ask questions based on what I see in their astrological chart. I also tell them about the possible indicators in the chart. I have a strong "Free will is the ultimate factor" approach to Astrology. However, I also don't sugarcoat. I will point out both positive and negative things about certain configurations, but I always tell them that they have a choice to use their configurations positively or negatively. I will even give up to 3 hours of free time when I do an astrological reading too. I am not a professional astrologer for I have never charged. I can straight up be honest with you and tell you that one of the reasons why I haven't start charging yet is because of my insecurity, not feeling that I am good enough to be a professional astrologer as well as having questions of the validity in Astrology. I believe that I do raise some issues.

Imho..Eris has has to do with ideology that unites/divides leading to inclusion/exclusion. I prefer to use my very strong Eris astrological energy for the positive Eris things and not the negative Eris things. The problem is that I am very controversial because I don't go with the status. Eris people aren't about going with the status quo. Just because they don't doesn't mean that disrespect the views of others.

If you actually see me in a video and hear me speak and not have prejudice and making assumptions, you can really figure me out.

Introduction to Developmental Neurodiversity Association
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSvkhGm0qUU

Video of me thanking everybody for the Birthday and Solar Return wishes October 29, 2010
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=488537350900&set=t.596565900&type=3&theater

I hate to use words like "I know", and that's why I use words "I believe", "I feel", "I think" I don't believe that I know anything certain. What "I know" is what I feel,think,and believe. I don't have any knowledge. I just have curiosity and passion for things that I want to share with others. Maybe it's my passion that is the problem.

I don't pretend to seek knowledge.

If you actually google Raymond Andrews, Raymond Scott,Glaucus, astynaz@yahoo.com, you will see that I am very curious and want to understand Astrology to the point that I have looked into and used various astrological methods in the past including Mainstream Astrology, Uranian Astrology,Magi Astrology, Vedic Astrology, Asteroid Astrology, Heliocentric Astrology,etc. I never agreed 100 percent with any system. I didn't even agree 60 percent.

I have started reading Cyril Fagan's Astrological books back in February 16th, and I decided to convert to Sidereal Zodiac on Feb 19th.

I am finding a renewed interest in the methods of Uranian Astrology and Magi Astrology. I have a great interest in planetary pictures that including midpoints aspecting midpoints. I want to focus on only Planetary Geometry in my Astrology. I noticed that astrologers that focus on only planetary geometry use much smaller orbs for aspects. I am going to do the same - 3 degrees like the Magi Astrologers. I believe that Astrology works because of Planetary Geometry and not because of zodiac signs and houses. I would use the Sidereal Zodiac, but I would only use it to measure aspects. I would also use both Geocentric and Heliocentric Charts.

I would diverge from Magi Astrologers.
I believe that the Semisquare and Sesquiquadrate are important aspects,and so I I would use the semisquare and sesquiquadrate.

orbs
For both Geocentric and Heliocentric
using Sidereal Zodiac

3'00 orb for conjunction,opposition,trine,square,sextile
1'30 orb for semisextile, quincunx, semisquare, sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile
1'00 orb for 7th,9th,10th,11th harmonics

planetary picture with a single factor aspecting a midpoint
1'00 for conjunction,opposition
0'30 for square
0'15 for semisquare,sesquiquadrate

planetary picture with midpoint conjunct,oppose a midpoint
0'30

I noticed that Magi Society uses the 7th harmonic aspects ,and they refer to them as Zodiac7. Well.....I don't see how Zodiac11 can't work. Heck..I am prominent in Zodiac11 with Mercury,Saturn,Uranus,Sedna in 11th Harmonic Isosceles Trapezoid with corresponding planetary pictures of Mercury oppose Saturn/Sedna - '16, Sedna oppose Mercury/Uranus - '17, and Mercury/Sedna oppose Saturn/Uranus - '01.........The configurations clearly give insight into my mental activity,thinking,communications.

I don't know why Magi Society don't think 8th harmonic aspects, the semisquare and sesquiquadrate aren't important........I definitely believe that they are........from my studies in cosmobiology and uranian astrology.

I don't agree with their use of trine,sextile with midpoints, .....I definitely use the semisquare,sesquiquadrate with midpoints.

I use much smaller orbs with the midpoint crossing and magi quads............won't get overloaded with factors
I consider the heliocentric chart too.

I am using Sidereal Zodiac .......that's different from what Magi Society uses.

Cosmobiologists only use conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,and sesquiquadrate when focusing on events.
They view the trine and sextile as not important for events.....they view as having to do with like conditions or state.

Declinations is a tropical coordinate, and so as a Sidereal Astrologer, I can't use them........the same with Right Ascension, but I believe the combination of Geocentric Chart and Heliocentric Chart can give really good information.

Cosmobiologists have a different take on aspects.......they don't view challenging aspects as bad, ....they consider the planets involved........they don't seem to like saturn and neptune much......lol
It is the same with uranian astrologers. Cosmobiologists stem from uranian astrologers.
That's why I consider the way that I am doing Astrology as being influenced by Magi Astrology,Uranian Astrology,and Cosmobiology.
A lot of the Magi Astrology stuff is similar to Uranian Astrology.....like the magi quads.........they are planetary pictures used in Uranian Astrology

I used to think that they are a bit overkill....to much detail to explain stuff to make something work, but I realized that planetary pictures are relevant ......they can easily account for wide orb aspects...even aspects more than 3 degrees............it's all about symmetry and geometry

so when I finally understood that, I can see why Magi Astrologers didn't use more than 3 degree orb and why uranian astrologers don't even use the regular aspects but just look at planetary pictures

of course, my now strong skepticism of zodiac signs and houses have greatly factored into looking at the geometry and symmetry in a new light

transiting uranus is sesquiquadrate my mercury
I have really been changing my perceptions,views,thinking about stuff.....in Astrology..........oh...been very mentally restless too..........as I am looking more into new astrological things

There is an Alternative Astrological Systems forum at Sun-Moon Astrology.

I do most of the posting there. You can get a good idea about my approaches,my views,and beliefs. I am an earnest astrologer. I believe that I approach Astrology in a broadminded and humble way. I don't see why Todd Carnes can't see that about me. I am person to retort, give a rebuttal, give a comeback when people are condescending,patronizing,accusing me of stuff that I don't do,and other things. When I do that, I am viewed as being arrogant, too confrontational,and other things. I don't think that's fair. I believe in defending myself. My stepfather taught me the concept of self defense when I was a special education student. He told me that if somebody hit me, I hit him back. If somebody talks down to me, I talk back. I even applied that approach against him and my mother as well as even my superiors when I was in the US Navy as well as other people. I am not into turning the other cheek. I do practice "treat others like you want to be treated"
which is the simplest concept but the hardest on the practice.
http://www.sunmoonastrology.com/displayForum/forum/262639356699793763

I hope that you will truly understand me after reading this. I want people to understand me more than anything. I am very capable of being nakedly honest and bearing my soul to others if that's what it takes. I am not afraid to admit my faults and weaknesses, but I will speak out against things that I am accused of.

Like a Liz Greene Psychological Astrology Report said, what you see is what you get.....I put in the window what's in the shop or put in the shop what's in the window.

I am a member of NCGR, Sacramento Area Chapter since December of last year.
They are an open-minded group. Alison Lambert-Chester Lambert was a guest speaker on the dwarf planets there. Joyce Mason met her through me, and she thought it was a good idea for Alison to come and speak.

I am a member of an organization chapter that doesn't appreciate my different approach on things.

I strongly believe that my different approach,view about things is connected to my neurodivergence.

even Ron Davis wrote in his book, GIFT OF DYSLEXIA which was about neurodivergents in general
They include can utilize the brain's ability to alter and create perceptions (the primary ability), are highly aware of the environment, are more curious than average, think mainly in pictures instead of words, are highly intuitive and insightful, think and perceive multi-dimensionally (using all the senses), can experience thought as reality,and have vivid imaginations.
He also has the view that their special mode of thought also produces the gift of mastery: once they have learned something experientially, they understand it on such a deep level that they know how to do things intuitively without thinking about how.

I made a thread - Neurodivergent And Metaphysically Oriented. I talked about my view that neurodivergents may be metaphysically oriented but many afraid to expose themselves because of psychiatry. I also expressed my views that the transneptunian dwarf planets could figure strongly in the charts of neurodivergents,the metaphysically oriented,and people with serious psychiatric disorders. I believe that I wrote has logic. I try to be logical and sensible in what I write.
http://www.sunmoonastrology.com/displayForumTopic/content/264891300837218143

Here is a list of astrologers that have been huge influence on my divergent approach to Astrology

Philip Sedgwick (I have his Galactic Trilogy CD and had a heliocentric astrological consultation with him)
http://philipsedgwick.com/

Zane Stein (If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be into transneptunians and centaurs.......it was his article on Eris that got me very interested in Eris)
http://www.zanestein.com/chiron.htm

Juan Revilla (I use his Riyal program, and his views influenced me like his view that orbital symbolism of centaurs,transneptunians need to be taken into account and can't just go by the name for insight)
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/

Mark Andrew Holmes (he is the one that got me interested in minor aspects with asteroids)
http://markandrewholmes.com/

Jonathan Dunn (I love his site)
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

Martha Lang-Wescott (I have 2 of her books...I thought her approach was too complicated for me, but now I am gaining more interest in her work but without the hypothetical transneptunians)
http://treehousemountain.com/

Zipporah Dobyns (I have book, The Node Book)
http://ccrsdodona.org/m_dilemma/awindex.html

Theodor Landscheidt (I have his books, Cosmic Cybernetics, Sun-Earth-Man.....I got interested in Golden Section Aspects and Geocentric Planetary Nodes because of him)
http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm

Demetria George and Douglas Bloch (I have their book, Astrology For Yourself)
http://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books/Astrology-for-Yourself-Douglas-Bloch-Demetra-George/9780892541225

Robert Blaschke (I all of his books except for the one on Holographic Transits.
http://earthwalkastrology.com/

Eleanor Kimmel (I have her book, Cosmobiology For the 21st Century)

Robert Hand (I have his book, Horoscope Symbols which helped me understand midpoints,planetary pictures and their connection to harmonics as well as why wide orb aspects aren't necessary...I also have his book, Planets in Transit)

Magi Society (I have their 3rd book....they helped me get interest in Declinations........also reading their site, they seem to have strong interest in Uranian Astrological methods like planetary pictures which they refer to as Magi Quads)
http://www.magisociety.com/index.php

David Cochrane (I have his Kepler Astrological software and his book, Astrology For the 21st Century.

now Cyril Fagan (I have changed to Sidereal Zodiac because of him........I have his books, Zodiacs Old And New, Primer of Sidereal Astrology)

If you talk with me and not talk at me, I am very likely to be your friend and respect you.

Raymond

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Saturn in the 8th house

Christian Annais — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:31:19 GMT

I was born with Saturn in the 8th house and in Sag. I am currently going through my last year of Saturns visit in Libra...so any knowledge on this placement??

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The Babylonian Zodiac Constellations

Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:05:00 GMT

THE BABYLONIAN ZODIAC CONSTELLATIONS

The following is link to PDF files of the Babylonian Zodiac Constellations from

BABYLONIAN STAR-LORE: An Illustrated Guide to the Star-lore and Constellations of Ancient Babylonia

The Babylonian Zodiac Constellations

'The Hired Man' - Aries

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_aries.pdf

'The Bull Of Heaven' - Taurus

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_taurus.pdf

'The Great Twins' - Gemini

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_gemini.pdf

'The Crab' - Cancer

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_cancer.pdf

'The Lion' - Leo

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_leo.pdf

'The Maiden/Furrow - Virgo

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_virgo.pdf

'The Scales' - Libra

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_libra.pdf

'The Scorpion' - Scorpio

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_scorpio.pdf

'Pabilsag' - Sagittarius

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_sagittarius.pdf

'The Goatfish' - Capricorn

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_capricorn.pdf

'The Great One' - Aquarius

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_aquarius.pdf

'The Tail' - Pisces

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/babylonian_pisces.pdf

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Astrocartography

robintala — Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:22:06 GMT

Just begain the journey into the planet paths, and node lines, following, remembering, and always noting the zeneth.

would love to hear stories, memories, suggestions, questions, and wisdom about this particular topic.

...so many connections...

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Spead out Charts

Allan — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:24:57 GMT

I got too spread out of a chart to join groups...So it seems. Does anybody else have this feeling? Like I wrote on Venus-Pluto tribe today, but I don't got them two planets in aspect. I can't be Neptune, or more then any other sign. I can't be a Plutoian cause I don't got 5 planets in my 8th house or in Scorpio. Whats the deal with people with spread out charts? How do we relate towards specific themes. Its like I can only join Moon in Virgo. How the heck do you judge what the theme of the chart is when you have a planet in 7 different houses and signs?

http://www.tribe.net/template/pub,PopPic.vm?picURL=http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/1de/14e/1de14e68-42b4-4685-9eea-15a2b47b5d17&altText=Chart This is my Chart....

http://people.tribe.net/346dda5d-6584-4809-8c9f-8aeefc3fccbd/photos/3e732a67-3b7e-4678-aee9-5df3c2a53a7e And this is my final dispositor chart....

Like I don't got Venus opposed Pluto... But I got Venus NN Pallas Psyche Lilith in Taurus, Pluto Saturn PoF South Node in Scorpio. Tho the introduction says specifically them two planets in Aspect.

I got Sun opposed Neptune with a 0 degree orb, Neptune in the 4th Moon in the 12th....Not a single planet in Pisces...Cannot I speak in the 12th or Pisces freely? Or is there like some rules you gotta be part of to be related to the theme?

Could somebody tell me why there's boundaries? I once used to get my post deleted on the 12th house a couple years back cause I couldn't stay on topic. Its kinda funny to me you would think 12th would be more accepting of diversity. How can you when the heavens are shining down on you in many different ways?

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Scorpio sun, Pisces moon combo

ashley — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:10:17 GMT

What is it like? (male or female nativity - any differences?)

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Mars entering Capricorn; Good / Bad or just change?

tatchak — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:21:12 GMT

Mars will enter the exaltation sign Capricorn on 28th January 2009 for next 45 days. Mars is said to be the Planet of Action. The transit of Mars through Capricorn is of great significance where we can take powerful actions. It is also a sign which helps us to strengthen the area where security is concerned.

Mars is destruction- it could mean the destruction of obstacles in our way or the destruction of hope and relationship. The choice is yours- it depends entirely on you,which way you would want Mars to affect your life.

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Planetary Geometry In Astrology

Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:59:15 GMT

Planetary Geometry in Astrology

I am finding a renewed interest in the methods of Uranian Astrology and Magi Astrology. I have a great interest in planetary pictures that including midpoints aspecting midpoints. I want to focus on only Planetary Geometry in my Astrology. I noticed that astrologers that focus on only planetary geometry use much smaller orbs for aspects. I am going to do the same - 3 degrees like the Magi Astrologers. I believe that Astrology works because of Planetary Geometry and not because of zodiac signs and houses.
I would use the Sidereal Zodiac, but I would only use it to measure aspects. I would also use both Geocentric and Heliocentric Charts.

I would diverge from Magi Astrologers.
I believe that the Semisquare and Sesquiquadrate are important aspects,and so I I would use the semisquare and sesquiquadrate.

orbs
For both Geocentric and Heliocentric
using Sidereal Zodiac

3'00 orb for conjunction,opposition,trine,square,sextile
1'30 orb for semisextile, quincunx, semisquare, sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile
1'00 orb for 7th,9th,10th,11th harmonics

planetary picture with a single factor aspecting a midpoint
1'00 for conjunction,opposition
0'30 for square
0'15 for semisquare,sesquiquadrate

planetary picture with midpoint conjunct,oppose a midpoint
0'30

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Chiron Trine Pluto Tranist

Christian Annais — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:48:29 GMT

Any insight on this?!

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Jupiter Square Jupiter transit

Just A Girl — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:23:14 GMT

Hello all! I have Jupiter squaring Jupiter from March 29th til April 7th; so a really short transit. The interpretation of this transit from astro.com says, "...Be particularly careful concerning financial matters...you may not notice the pinch immediately, but shortly after this period you may experience shortages that will be severly exacerbated if you spend money foolishly now." I remember a friend and a family member going through this transit some time back, and they did, indeed, have severe financial trouble AFTER this transit was through. However, the transit for them lasted several months; mine will only be for several days. So, I was wondering if the duration of this transit makes a difference? Since it is short I have already vowed to not spend a single penny during it, buying only necessary supplies beforehand. But does it inevitably follow that I will have money problems afterwards? Will they be less severe than my friend/relative's because it was a shorter transit, and I do not plan on spending during it? Any transit that has even the potential to negatively impact me financially gets me soooo anxious,; I'm broke as it is lol. My natal chart has Jupiter in the 10th but has been transiting my 12th house, I don't know if that matters.

Thanks!

Girl

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gemini madness--what the f***?

tshakespeare — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 03:22:14 GMT

am i the only one, or is anyone else having a major meltdown about what to do with their life? I'm a gemini and my life is going perfectly--except for the fact that i feel like I'm climbing out of my skin. i wake up every day going: "what should I do with myself?" Like i'm looking for a calling...6/11/67. any advice or portentions? merci.

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Stelliums

Jens — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:08:25 GMT

I have a stellium of mars, pluto, uranus conjunct midheaven. I am attracted to someone who has a stellium of mercury, pluto, venus, jupiter conjunct my stellium. what do you think this means? How significant is it? am very attracted to him! Tricky thing is, we are both in other relationships.

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Soooo, Moon in Capricorn...

Trey — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:36:58 GMT

Hahaaa! I have sun in Leo but, moon in Capricorn. A curious chemistry of reservedness and flamboyance Although , i'd say
i am rather balanced in the nature.

Moon in Capricorn Unite!

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moon scorpio/sun gemini

datura — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:10:08 GMT

am i pretty much doomed? life sure has dealt a horrible hand my way it feels like..

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My Conversion to Sidereal Zodiac

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:07:39 GMT

I have decided to convert from being a Tropical Zodiac user to a Sidereal Zodiac user. I didn't come to this decision lightly. I have had ongoing questions about the tropical zodiac for years, noticing even inconsistencies with some tropical zodiac astrologers using precession corrected transits,return charts. There were issues about applying Northern Hemisphere season-based zodiac for people born in the Southern Hemisphere. I notice inconsistencies about planets ruling signs and people diverging from what Ptolemy did. When I looked more into Sidereal Astrology, I noticed the older we get, the more difference there is between Sidereal Zodiac transits,return charts and Tropical Zodiac transits,return charts. Reading Cyril Fagan's books have opened my eyes. I learned that the original zodiac was Sidereal and not Tropical. The Babylonians and Egyptians used the Sidereal Zodiac. The Greeks used the Tropical Zodiac. The Greeks seemed to mess up a lot of things that the Babylonians and Egyptians did. The Astrology that the Babylonians and Egyptians did were lunar based. The Egyptians came up with their concept of constellations based on what they saw in the night sky. The constellations were based on acronychal rising. The Sun was relating to those rising opposite them, and not with invisible stars that were in conjunction with it. If Taurus was acronychal rising, then Sun was in Scorpio. Egyptian and Babylonian day started at sunset. Then the Greeks mistook acronychal risings for Solar conjunctions. The Babylonians and Egyptians used 12 equal sign zodiac. The 13 zodiac signs including Ophiuchus started with the Greeks. I am going to be a Sidereal Zodiac user for now on. The constellations don't get their meanings from the element,mode,and planetary ruler. All that was originated by the Greeks. It's the mythology behind the constellations that give their meaning.

Well...the Tropical Astrologers and even the Vedic Astrologers (yeah..we know where they got some of their ideas from.....Greeks!) view zodiac sign's traits in connection to their element (earth,air,fire,water), mode (cardinal,fixed,mutable), and planetary rulership(Sun,Moon,Mercury,Venus,Mars,Jupiter,Saturn........with modern western astrologers, Uranus,Neptune,Pluto.

Before I stopped being a tropical zodiac astrologer, I preferred looking at Uranus,Neptune,and Pisces in regards to their element,mode,and traditional planetary rulership. Before that I preferred to use co-planetary rulership. It was after I understood Ptolemy's day,night rulership scheme, I accepted only traditional planetary rulers.

Now......that I am into the Sidereal Zodiac, I do not believe that element,mode,and planetary rulers apply to any of the zodiac signs because all of that is from Tropical Astrological concepts originated by the Greeks. I would think that the mythology behind the constellations would factor into the interpretation of the Sidereal Zodiac signs.

for instance.....instead of Cancer being a domestic sign and having traits in connection to being ruled by Moon, being cardinal,and water, maybe Sidereal Cancer has the resurrection theme like the constellation of Cancer.............the egyptians viewing the constellation cancer as the scarab

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Pluto singleton, 5th house.

fiona — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:45:07 GMT

Hi,

I would really love to know what this a Pluto singleton in the 5th house means. I've already done my own research on this subject, but I haven't found a lot about it. Bobmarks has an article about singletons, the Astrologyclub has an article about Pluto singletons, but it's still not very clear.
Pluto's my only water sign planet, by the way. It rules the house it's in, and it's in Scorpio.
Would please clarify this for me? I'd be grateful.

My chart: http://i40.tinypic.com/2wbujc1.gif

Thanks!

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Nessus n Pholus in natal chart

Jk2907 — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:55:38 GMT

Hi everyone, I'm new to the tribe, hope someone can help me with insights to some aspects and how it works out in my life.

I recently got interested in the how aspects to Nessus n Pholus works out in natal chart. After using the calculations as on astro.com, i found my Pholus exact conjunct my vertex at 29 degree in pisces. Can anyone help me by telking me what does it mean?

Moveover, what is the significance of having Nessus conjunct sun/moon midpoint in natal chart? Fromthcrare info and the myth of Nessus, it has got to do with pain, suffering, abuse, nothing bright shinning n hopeful..:( I know someone who has that in his chart but he doesn't seem like an absurer nor the abused. And how will this aspect work in synastry? Does it mean the nessus is the absurer to the sun-moon midpoint person?

Hope I'm not overwhelming with too many questions on my first post. :D Any insight is appreciated.

Jo

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What about February 29th births?

Will — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 04:25:26 GMT

Just that. What say?

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Sexual Aspects...

Allan — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:08:29 GMT

What in a chart shows somebody that is extremely sexual? OR good at it? I read quite a few different views... One says Uranus, another says Lilith...then the 8th house cusp....Venus and Mars... The sign Scorpio. Whats your option on what makes a person sexual?

I would love to read others personal views on this subject cause all I read about sounds like some cookbook style of writing.

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Saturn/Pluto In 10th House

KittyKat — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:04:47 GMT

With my Saturn Return coming up, I've been exploring my birth chart and really delving into it lately. I noticed that I have both my natal Saturn in Scorpio and Pluto in Libra in the 10th house. I also have my MC in Scorpio sitting in the 10th. My Aries Sun is also opposed to both Saturn and Pluto. To me, these are some pretty heavy placements because the 10th is about ambition, career and power and how it relates to people of authority.

To me, Saturn represents things that we need to learn. The "great teacher" as some would call it. Pluto seems to be things that are beyond our control and the subconscious. With both of these heavy hitters in my 10th, I've been dealt quite a few lessons from others who were older or held some sort of power over me. One thing that I've come to learn (and still working on) is that I control my own destiny but it seems that oftentimes, there are things that are beyond my control and there's nothing I can do about it. With having my natal Sun in Aries, Moon in Cancer and Rising in Capricorn, I'm not great at the "unknown" or feeling as if I can't control my own destiny. "Trust" has been a big thing for me to learn and I still have to remind myself about it. Don't get me wrong, I'm a even-keeled and understanding person but I need to have some sort of idea that things are progressing.

So does anyone have any experience with these placements? How has it effected you or what do you know about it? How can I use these placements in a positive way?

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Saturn/Mars interaspects in synastry

Gabby — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:05:56 GMT

My partner of 5 years and I both have Mars aspecting the other's Saturn.

My Mars in Capricorn trines his Saturn in Virgo (which is also conj. my Vertex/Vesta in Virgo).

His Mars in Cancer squares my Saturn in Libra (which is also conj. my Jupiter in Libra).

I guess you could read this as, "My ambition (Mars in Capricorn) supports his responsible approach to work/service (Saturn in Virgo).

And, his pursuit of emotional security (Mars in Cancer) is in conflict (square) with my responsible approach to relationships (Saturn in Libra).

It is also made more complicated by the other planets involved via conjunction, but wondering if anyone else has had mars/saturn synastry aspects? How did they play out for you?

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My Take on Lilith

Allan — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:04:08 GMT

Wanted to share with you a paper I wrote a long time ago…..

Priapus, look up him astrologically with Lilith to get a complete
understanding. The asteroid was named after a lil girl named lilith.

I have been studying Lilith and the other asteroid goddesses for quite
sometime. My friend from Belgium taught me something interesting that
I would like to share with the rest of you, and see if it also applies
to you all (That area of the world always has been on a different wave
length of astrology then English speaking countries).

Lilith works on an axis, the opposite point is known as Priapus (I use
the Janus the astrology program myself, and in fact it always list
Priapus opposite to Black Moon Lilith, not Asteroid one). This
opposite point is what you do in your daily life, and have no-way out
of doing it. It’s always played out. In the myth of Priapus, his penis
was so huge that it scared woman away, and punished male thieves by
using sodomy on them!!!

Priapus, god of virility and fertility, was the Greek and Roman
protector of gardens, vineyards, and orchards. Depicted with enormous
genitals, he ensured fertility and good fortune. His statue served as
both scarecrow and guardian divinity. He was, moreover, the patron of
all in need of luck, especially men and women in search of sexual
satisfaction. Although he is generally depicted as heterosexual in his
tastes, Priapus numbered among his devotees men who were attracted
to other men (go figure).

His parents are Dionysus, God of Sex, Wine and Intoxication, and
Aphrodite, Goddess of Love, and brother to Hymenaeus,
God of Weddings and Getting Married. When you think of the relationship
between all of them, you can see a common thread. OVER THE TOP kind of deal…

Now I don’t know too much about it, so I’m trying to see how this god
and Lilith matches up. Lilith is kicked out of the garden; Priapus is
denied love because his penis is too big…guess penis envy, size,
wasn’t too important…

Use the intuitive noodle, because not too much is written about this
subject, I would love any ones option or feedback. Anyways personal
option to me is just as valid as some “quote on quote” expert that
writes an article and uses fancy design to make it appealing to the
eye. That’s why when I read a lot of these astrology articles; I
remember first and foremost… most of it isn’t based off of research,
but of option, and…REMEMBER THAT!!

It says that Lilith is the point of fascination,where a person feels
the emotional urge to grow beyond themselves. It`s the point where a
person has much power, but often decides to suppress the power.
Or she exaggerates the urge to be independent,
which often forces her to be distant to other people.

Priapus now is a point, where you feel rather powerless. But at this
point you have a strong capability and longing to merge with others,
to feel for them, to develop empathy and basically it`s the point
where you can adapt to others to the point of losing yourself.

Priapus is also the god of health and fertility (son of Venus and
Bacchus / Dionysos). And it seems, according to mythology, he was
having a constant erection. Well, what could you expect of a God, who
is son of the goddess of erotic love and the god of extasy? lol
But I think it just symbolizes that he is very much in touch with the
earth, with all instincts, with a strong desire to merge and become
ONE with earth / life.

Maybe the difference between Lilith and Priapus is like this:
Both are driven by very strong desires.
But Lilith demands to be equal, independent, to voluntarily turn to
someone, or else she will repell or be repelled. She can`t make any
compromises. In the best sense she`s painfully truthful, and she makes
great sacrifices (like being rejected from society) to maintain her
independence.

Priapos on the other hand has such a great need to merge, that he will
sacrifice the truth for it. He will make any compromises that are
necessary to be close to someone. But since PRiapos is also a male
God, he seems to be also prone to become sexually violent or absusive,
to force closeness to his “object of affection”.

At least the myth tell about him attempting to rape at least two
goddesses / nymphs. But every time the rape has been interrupted,
before it could be done, and Priapus has been kicked out.
He is a nasty little god, isn`t he? At least in the myth.
But on the positive side he has a very direct access to his fertility and lust.

I`m not really sure what to make of it astrologically. But maybe
Priapus depicts a point in the horoscope where there is an
overwhelming urge to merge, which may become so overwhelming and
desperate that you may humilate yourself, by committing really low
acts (be they destructive towards others as in an attempted rape. or
be they selfdestructive, by “offering” yourself, even if you know that
you will never get back enough, so that you will be satisfied; the
willingness to live a lie just to feel the illusion of merging.)

But I think there must also be a positive way to see Priapus and
Lilith. Maybe Priapus can offer that empathy like it has been said in
that article I mentioned.

Priapus

Priapus is mean Lunar perigee. The point opposite the Priapus is the
Black Moon. Priapus is a mathematical point that corresponds to
position of the Moon when it is at Perigee (that point in its orbit
when it is closest to the Earth)

Black Moon

The Black Moon is a mathematical point that corresponds to position of
the Moon when it is at Apogee (that point in its orbit when it is
farthest from the Earth). The point opposite the Black Moon is called
Priapus.

Rather too much sex for either power(lilith) or a sense of feeling
whole(propias) can be bad.

i got my Lilith at 2 Taurus….Pluto at 2 Scorpio. its complemented
with Neptune at 2 Capricorn, Sun 2 Cancer, and the Moon at 5 Virgo.
thank god im a male lol seriously. Vertex is also 5 Pisces.

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Tax Time!

Just A Girl — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:30:22 GMT

I never really put thought into what day to file taxes on in the past, but am trying to this year. I think a few mistakes were made last year ( used a tax preperation service) and want it looked over, plus my current solar return has an emphasis on the 8th house of taxes and resources, with Venus, Mars and Uranus there, so am trying to be selective this year in my timing.

From what I understand from browsing the web, a moon void of course is the best time to file if you are trying to avoid an audit. But I have also seen that filing during a VOC is the worst if you are wanting any sort of return, as anything done under a VOC typically comes to nothing... Also, have seen conflicting info on what sign the moon should be in. Moon in earth signs seems to favor finances while moon in air signs favor negotiations, contracts et. al.; tax filing is a bit of both, so what should a person go for? I thought Moon in Taurus would have been the best, but am not sure due to its fixed quality; if a mistake is made it may be hard to rectify. Also thought Moon in Capricorn would be good, earth/cardinal and public dealings, but have read that it can cause difficulties with authorities. Am not sure about Virgo moon. Moon in air signs would be helpful, I think, in preventing misunderstandings, but will it be beneficial as far as monetary returns?

Does anyone have any experiences, good or bad, they can share concerning the timing of tax filing?

Thanks,
Girl

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question abou solar

amaya — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:22:41 GMT

hello
could you help me please
are these sings seems a marriage???
in this solar asc in ic ....venus,mercury in 5th house
dc conjuct ic
sun solar conjuct mercury natal in 7th and sexile saturn natal 5th house

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=npefileb8aqat-u1330283090&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=2&nho2=2&btyp=31&mth=gw&sday=26&smon=2&syr=2011&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&add=19&add=14&ast=
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cnpefileb8aqat-u1330283090/astro_31gw_02_x_2011226.69572.61471.pdf

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what movie charachter do you feel best represents your sign

Leslie — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:11:04 GMT

Ummm its pretty straight foward lol

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Angular Sun, Mars, Jupiter - The Queen, The Bitch, The Witch

MantisReligiosa — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:06:37 GMT

I think I have spotted this pattern among women who have the above planets conjunct an angle of the chart(AC, IC, DC, MC).
I realize I run the high risk of being accused of grossly generalizing, BUT I thought I'd send this idea out there, so that other astrology peeps may take a second look at all the charts of people they know, and see if this pattern checks out.
I'm just researching, here. Not naming names.

Of course, depending on the chart, and other aspects, transits etc, these aspects may lie "dormant" in the person's life.

But, anyway, I have noticed in a few cases that Mars on an angle gives this so-called Scarlett O'Hara complex. The girls I have met with angular Mars placements seem outwardly bitchy, and are always at high risk of being criticized by others, but also a somewhat source of fascination.
They all love to "conquer" men and brag about it, have a distinctly strong vibe of arrogance and, depending on other chart placements, aggressiveness about them.
They brag about their ability to get whatever they want and generally look down upon women who seem "weaker" aka. genuinely feminine.
However, I am guessing that an agular Mars alone is not enough to produce the Scarlett O'Hara-bitch-prototype. It takes a touch of Pluto, as well, to create the strong urge for power and control, and ability to manipulate.
All I am saying is if you happen to know a woman with an angular Mars and Pluto making at least one hard aspect to a personal planet, beware of being used or duped.

The reason why angular Mars produces a distinct "bitch" aura about a woman is because Mars represents raw animal impulse, the strong urge to satisfy selfish desires, aggressiveness, independence, physical stamina, selfishness beyond consideration for others, and last but not least, tendency to be very unfaithful in relationships.
Overall, don't expect a woman with an angular Mars to ever put anyone or anything ahead of herself, her wellbeing and instant gratification.

Famous angular Mars? Angelina Jolie, who has a Mars-Jupiter-Moon multiple conjunction on the MC.

However, with Jupiter and Moon there, she has enough charisma to deter people from her inherent selfishness.

I suppose for men, Mars on an angle would be more positively perceived, however.
More of a typical "manly man".

Sun on one on the angles, on the other hand, gives a distinct regal aura. Even with no Leo planets or Asc, an angular Sun does breed a certain dignified appearance, a proud physique, a touch of the great cat that says "look at me, am I not fabulous?".
Women with an angular Sun would never demean themselves by chasing men around, playing vile games of cheap manipulation, or even flirting. They are not openly aggressive, either. They do not try to act like "the man", instead enjoy being women.
They EXPECT to get attention, and they generally do.
As far as I noticed, from the few angular Sun women I have met, and a few I saw from a distance(like celebrities), they project a certain dignified aura that makes men respect them and treat them like the queens(or princesses) that they are.
There is also more stubborness and determination that comes with an angular Sun.
As well as a touch of light and glamour, a certain "glow" that breeds charisma.
Like the Leo sign itself, an angular Sun is partly feminine, partly masculine in expression.
The masculine side is the strong urge to create, to express oneself, the feminine side bewing the desire for praise and admiration.

Famous Angular Sun woman?
Kate Winslet has Sun conjunct AC.

Vivien Leigh, the actress who played Scarlett O'Hara, apparently had both an angular Mars and an angular Sun.
So she was both a bitch, and a queen.lol

Men with angular Suns are very much "kings".
Unlike the women, who may feel more uncomfortable activating their "hunting" instincts, the men with an angular Sun won't hesitate to go ahead and fight for their "audience", probably why a lot of them are actors, like Bruce Willis, Keanu Reeves, Mel Gibson.

Last, but not least, the angular Jupiter.
This is what I'd call a witch aspect(or wizzard, if it's a man's chart) because these people seem to have that "something" that make them very appealing to large groups of people.
They may not be particularly good-looking, or talented, or even intelligence, but they radiate a warmth and benevolence around them that makes people want to be their friends.
These people really do have a strong sense of justice and a strong belief in the fellowship of all men, therefore aim straight for winning large groups of "friends" which can easily become "followers" when needed.
They thrive on popularity and seduce effortlessly.
The women(and men, actually) have an aloof charm and ease of expression that draws people to them like flies to a flame.
These people seem to get whatever they want, by simply wishing on a star, but this is not exactly the case. It's simply that they have a sharp intuition and undaunted faith in themselves to achieve whatever it is they have aimed their arrows at.

Famous angular Jupiter? Greta Garbo, aka the Sphinx.

Last remark: I wrote I only considered planets conjunct angles, because the houses change according to system, but if you know of people with planets in angular houses, NOT conjunct the angles, who seem to fit these descriptions, I'd love to hear about it.

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Drew Barrymore - Is it About Being Pisces

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:08:08 GMT

Drew Barrymore - Actress, Recovering Alcoholic/Drug Addict - Is it about Pisces?

Drew is an American actress, film director, screenwriter, producer and model. She is a member of the Barrymore family of American actors and granddaughter of John Barrymore. She had a turbulent childhood which included drug and alcohol abuse and two stints in rehab. Her first breakout role was in E.T. The Extraterrestrial. She made a successful transition from child star to adult actress with movies that include Charlies Angels, The Wedding Singer, Never Been Kissed, Bad Girls, Boys on the Side,and many others.
She is overall very successful in the entertainment field.

Feb 22, 1975
11:51 AM
Culver City, California

She has Sun in Tropical Pisces, but it is in Aquarius in Sidereal Zodiac where she has Venus conjunct Ceres in Pisces. Pisces is the sign associated with being sensitive,imaginative,and idealistic.
I don't buy any of those zodiac placements.
She has Mercury sextile Neptune with 1'30 orb which indicate an imaginative thinker, but that is not particularly a strong Neptune influence.

I think that there has to be something going on in the midpoints.

According Robert Hand in his book, HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS
"1. Midpoints involving the Sun, Moon, Midheaven, or Ascendant are to be taken more seriously than others. One or both factors making up the midpoint may come from this group, or the midpoint may be in a hard aspect to one of these single factors."

"2. Direct midpoints--ones that are conjunct or opposite a single factor are more important than midpoints that aspect a single factor by square, semisquare, or sesquiquadrate. I find that direct midpoints are as important as major aspects in influencing a chart. One neglects them at one's peril; if you use no other type of midpoint, use these."

I looked up direct midpoints within 1 1/2 degree orb and square midpoints within 1 degree orb. I diverge from other midpoint users by not using the semisquare and sesquiquadrate because I believe that they are unnecessary to use. I think that looking at minor aspect midpoints increases your chances of finding stuff that you're looking for.
The conjunction, opposition, and square correlate with the angles (Ascendant, Descendant, Midheaven, and Imum Coeli).

Mars conjunct Sun/Neptune - 1'04
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with the integration of self expression,vitality,body and dissolution,idealism,inspiration

Neptune conjunct Mars/Uranus - 1'20
dissolution,idealism,inspiration combine with the integration of assertion,passion,physical drive and independence,change,unexpected

Venus oppose Moon/Neptune - '37
(10th harmonic Triangle of Venus tridecile Moon - '50 and Neptune - '24, Moon biquintile Neptune - '24)
love,relationships,values combine with the integration of the emotional nature,feelings,instincts and dissolution,idealism,inspiration

Saturn oppose Mercury/Neptune - 1'21
(Saturn widely quincunxes Mercury - 2'06 and quincunx Neptune '36, and Mercury sextile Neptune - 1'30)
structure,discipline,authority combine with the integration of mental activity,thinking,communications and dissolution,idealism,inspiration

Neptune square Jupiter/Midheaven - '06
dissolution,idealism,inspiration combine with the integration of expansion,judgment,beliefs and aim of life

Mercury square Neptune/Pluto - '02
(Mercury sextile Neptune - 1'30 and trine Pluto - 1'24)
mental activity,thinking,communications combine with the integration of dissolution,idealism,inspiration,imagination and power,transformation,intensity

She has a total of 4 direct Neptune midpoint pictures and 3 Neptune midpoint pictures involving the personal points which indicates a very strong theme of dissolution,idealism,inspiration,imagination

She has 2 Neptune midpoint pictures involving Mercury which indicate a strong theme of mental activity,thinking,communications combine with dissolution,idealism,inspiration, imagination

She has 2 Neptune midpoints pictures involving Mars which indicates assertion,passion,physical drive combine with the dissolution,idealism,inspiration, imagination

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The Eris,Sedna Midpoints of Albert Einstein

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:32:40 GMT

ERIS, SEDNA MIDPOINTS OF ALBERT EINSTEIN

Albert Einstein was a theoretical physicist who developed the theory of general relativity, effecting a revolution in physics.
Some even think that he may have been a mystic or metaphysican.
He had even said "“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.”
He had delays in speech. Some people speculate whether he had Dyslexia,ADHD,and/or High Functioning Autistic. Some people believe that he was an early Indigo. What can't be disputed is his genius. Einstein is the epitome of intelligence to the point that Einstein has even become synonymous for a person of genius intellect.

Mainstream Astrologers would point out that his Jupiter in Aquarius in 9th in opposition to Uranus in Leo in 3rd house would indicate higher,scientific thought and innovated thinking. Tropical zodiac astrologers point out that his Sun in Pisces indicates his imagination that helped him in his theories, but it would be Sun in Aquarius which Sidereal Astrologers would point out is an indicator of being unconventional. Some tropical astrologers would point out his Moon in Sagittarius as his emotional philosophical insights, but Sidereal Astrologers would view his Moon being in Scorpio, and so an indicator of emotional penetrating insights. Some Noel Tyl school would say that his peregrine (a Noel Tyl term used for unaspected planet) Neptune would indicate his great imagination that helped him a scientist. Technically, his Mercury is not unaspected for he has Sun semisquare Neptune with 38 minue orb. Semisquare is a widely used aspect in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology. I don't think even that aspect indicates his great potential for scientific prowess. It's more likely reflect his musical ability to play a violin.
Some astrologers would point out that his Mercury conjunct Saturn indicates his scientific thought too, but I think Albert Einstein's scientific thought was more about a divergent thinker and not a convergent thinking. The Mercury conjunct Saturn could reflect his history of speech delays that he was known for.
Uranian Astrologers would point out that his Mercury conjunct hypothetical transneptunian Kronos with 6 minute orb indicates his higher thinking, and well that's highly questionable for obvious reasons.

I figured why not see if any direct midpoints involving Eris, Sedna involving the personal points (Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven) and Mercury that could indicate his being a highly divergent person and thinker that could could give him the potential to be a genius.

Transneptunian dwarf planet/scattered disk object Eris seems to fit the theme of divisive ideology. United ideology may also be a positive theme. Eris is named after the Greek Goddess of Discord who made men quarrel with each other by making them think that their opinions are right and others' opinions are wrong. It has an orbital period of about 557 years.

Transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/detached object Sedna seems to fit the theme of victimization. It also seems to have a positive of environmental awareness. Sedna was actually named an Inuit Ocean Goddess who was also the Ruler of the Underworld. It has an orbital period of about 11,400 years.

As transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates, Eris and Sedna are evolutionary intensified objects.

The combination of united ideology and environmental awareness could lead to perception of relativity.

On page 167 of HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS, Robert Hand wrote the following:
"1. Midpoints involving the Sun, Moon, Midheaven, or Ascendant are to be taken more seriously than others. One or both factors making up the midpoint may come from this group, or the midpoint may be in a hard aspect to one of these single factors.

2. Direct midpoints--ones that are conjunct or opposite a single factor are more important than midpoints that aspect a single factor by square, semisquare, or sesquiquadrate. I find that direct midpoints are as important as major aspects in influencing a chart. One neglects them at one's peril; if you use no other type of midpoint, use these."

Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures, Eris, Sedna midpoint involving Sun,Moon,Midheaven,or Ascendant can be taken more seriously than other Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures. Direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures are just as important as major Eris,Sedna aspects in influencing a chart.

Now keeping all that in mind, and seeing that I only use direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures

Albert Einstein

March 14, 1879
11:30 AM
Ulm, Germany

Mercury conjunct Saturn/Sedna - '17
thinking combine with the integration of structure and environmental awareness

Sedna conjunct Mercury/Saturn - '48
environmental awareness combine with the integration of thinking and structure

Eris conjunct Mercury/Jupiter - '27
united ideology combine with the integration of thinking and expansion

Sun conjunct Eris/Sedna - '20
self expression combine with the integration of united ideology and environmental awareness

Sun conjunct Mercury/Eris - '29
self expression combine with the integration of thinking and united ideology

Sun conjunct Midheaven/Sedna - '39
self expression combine with the aim of life and environmental awareness

He has 6 direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures.
4 direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures involving Mercury which indicate an ultra evolutionary intensified thinker who chose to partake in united ideology and environmental awareness which lead to his perception that everything is relative
4 direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures involving the personal points which indicate an ultra evolutionary intensified person who chose to partake in united ideology and environmental awareness which lead to his perceptive that everything is relative.

His Mercury conjunct Saturn/Sedna midpoint and his Sedna conjunct Mercury/Sedna actually stem from a tight conjunction of Mercury,Saturn,and Sedna. He had Saturn conjunct Sedna with 55 minute orb, and Mercury conjunct Saturn and Sedna with 1'02 and 17 minute orb respectively. The Mercury conjunct Sedna with 17 orb alone can indicate an evolutionary intensified thinker.

None of the configurations would have been known until the discoveries of Sedna and Eris in 2004 and 2005 respectively.

Albert Einstein was pretty much ahead of his time.

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Pluto conjunct natal Neptune transit

Jennifer — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:35:11 GMT

Hi everyone. :)

Can anyone give me their own interpretation of a Pluto conjunct Neptune transit based on my natal chart? How will this affect me personally?

Natal chart with transits:
http://postimage.org/image/t7060v1dt/

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Eris,Sedna Midpoints of Adolf Hitler

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:10:47 GMT

ERIS,SEDNA MIDPOINTS OF ADOLF HITLER

Uranian Astrology is an astrological system that uses midpoints extensively and doesn't use a zodiac. Uranian Astrology uses hypothetical transneptunian planets which are not used in Cosmobiology. Alfred Witte came up with them because he thought there was something else going on in the charts. This was even before the discovery of Pluto in 1930. He "discovered" some transneptunian planets that include Cupido, Hades, Zeus, and Kronos. There was another Hamburg School Astrologer of the name of Friedrich Sieggrün that also discovered more transneptunian planets that include Apollon, Admetos, Vulkanus and Poseidon. Alfred Witte disagreed with the additional transneptunian planets and worked hard to confirm only the ones that he came up with, but other Uranian astrologers used them any way. Alfred Witte Witte was considered an enemy of the German Third Reich and committed suicide shortly before he was supposed to have been interned in a Nazi concentration camp, in 1941. There you have the controversial history of Uranian Astrology in a nutshell.

Former Hamburg School Astrologer, Reinhold Ebertin created his own astrological system which was an offshoot of Uranian Astrology. His system, Cosmobiology uses midpoints extensively, focuses very little on zodiac signs, and doesn't use house systems. Reinhold didn't use the hypothetical transneptunian planets.

How logical and scientific is it to look at Kronos,Vulkanus,Hades,Poseidon,Apollon,Zeus,Admetos,and Cupido and try to say configurations involving these hypothetical transneptunian planets reflect one's personality and events?

Why not use transneptunian dwarf planets like Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna, Ixion to look at one's makeup? If the hypothetical transneptunian midpoints can be looked at,then why not use the transneptunian dwarf planet midpoints?

Transneptunian dwarf planet Pluto is said to work with midpoints, by Uranian Astrologers,Cosmobiologists,Magi Astrologers, and many Mainstream Astrologers that use midpoints. If that's the case, then why not also use Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets?

I was thinking of Adolf Hitler because of his infamously "dark" (many say evil, many say mad, many say both) reputation which was connected to ideology that divides and leading to inclusion. Of course, he victimized and killed millions of people (Jews,gypsies,homosexuals,"mental defected types).

Solar Fire Program shows Eris,Sedna midpoints.
Therefore, I checked to see any direct midpoints involving Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven,Mercury,Venus,and Mars including especially the first 4 which are the Personal Points that Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrology focus on.

Transneptunian dwarf planet/scattered disk object Eris seems to fit the theme of divisive ideology. Eris is named after the Greek Goddess of Discord who made men quarrel with each other by making them think that their opinions are right and others' opinions are wrong. It has an orbital period of about 557 years.

Transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/detached object Sedna seems to fit the theme of victimization. Sedna was actually named an Inuit Ocean Goddess who was also the Ruler of the Underworld. It has an orbital period of about 11,400 years.

As transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates, Eris and Sedna are evolutionary intensified objects.

Cosmobiologists actually look at 45 degrees series of aspects (conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate )
Uranian Astrologers look at 22'30 series of aspects
(conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate, 22'30,67'30,157'30)

I only looked at Sedna,Eris direct midpoint pictures with only 1 degree orb which is smaller than the 1 1/2 degree orb that I use for direct midpoint pictures that involve only the regular astrological factors which means no minor planets (transneptunians,centaurs,asteroids).

April 20, 1889
6:30 PM
Braunau am Inn, Austria

He has the following midpoint pictures:

Node oppose Ascendant/Sedna - '00
associations combine with the integration of relating and victimization

Pluto conjunct Midheaven/Sedna - '08
power combine with the integration of aim of life and victimization

Jupiter conjunct Ascendant/Eris - '22
expansion combine with the integration of relating and divisive ideology

Mercury conjunct Neptune Eris - '43
thinking combine with the integration of dissolution and divisive ideology

Mercury oppose Venus/Sedna - '24
thinking combine with the integration of love and victimization

Mercury oppose Mars/Sedna - '14
thinking combine with the integration of actions and victimization

Node oppose Ascendant/Sedna - '00
associations combine with the integration of relating and victimization

Ascendant oppose Venus/Sedna - '36
relating combine with the integration of love and victimization

Ascendant oppose Mars/Sedna - '46
relating combine with the integration of actions and victimization

Ascendant oppose Pluto/Eris - '10
relating combine with the integration of power and divisive ideology

Eris conjunct Moon/Neptune - '18
divisive ideology combine with the integration of feelings and dissolution

Venus conjunct Eris/Node - '51
love combine with the integration of divisive ideology and associations

On page 167 of HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS, Robert Hand wrote the following:
"1. Midpoints involving the Sun, Moon, Midheaven, or Ascendant are to be taken more seriously than others. One or both factors making up the midpoint may come from this group, or the midpoint may be in a hard aspect to one of these single factors.

2. Direct midpoints--ones that are conjunct or opposite a single factor are more important than midpoints that aspect a single factor by square, semisquare, or sesquiquadrate. I find that direct midpoints are as important as major aspects in influencing a chart. One neglects them at one's peril; if you use no other type of midpoint, use these."

Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures, Eris, Sedna midpoint involving Sun,Moon,Midheaven,or Ascendant can be taken more seriously than other Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures. Direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures are just as important as major Eris,Sedna aspects in influencing a chart.

Now keeping all that in mind, and seeing that I only use direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures

Midheaven - 1
Ascendant - 6
Moon - 1
Mercury - 3
Venus - 1
There is a total of 7 direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures involving the personal points which is a strong emphasis on being an ultra evolutionary intensified person who chose a divisive ideology and victimized others.
The 3 direct Eris,Sedna midpoint pictures involving Hitler's Mercury indicate evolutionary intensified thinking focused on divisive ideology and victimizing others.
There is 1 direct Eris midpoint picture involving Hitler's Venus which can indicate an evolutionary intensified lovelife that involves divisive ideology.

His Pluto conjunct Sedna/Midheaven midpoint is actually his Pluto sextile Sedna with 47 minute orb and Midheaven with 29 minute orb with Midheaven trine Sedna with 1'17 orb. Unlike Mainstream Astrologers, Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers would put very little emphasis on Pluto sextile Midheaven because it is a soft aspect and is not considered event-oriented. Pluto sextile Midheaven was part of configuration that not one single astrologer would have known about because Sedna wasn't discovered until 2004.

His Eris conjunct Moon/Neptune midpoint is actually Eris quintile Moon with 24 minute orb and Neptune with 11 minute orb with Moon biquintile Neptune with 12 minute orb. It's a 5th Harmonic Triangle which indicates a high degree of creativity. No Astrologers would have been aware of this configuration until the discovery of Eris in 2005.

Do we really need to look at Kronos,Vulkanus, Hades, Poseidon, Apollon, Zeus, Admetos, and Cupido for personality analysis and events?
I don't think so.

I don't even believe that we really need to look at his Pluto in 8th house and see that as an indication of issues about power and death. I don't believe that we really need to look at his Uranus in 12th house, and see that as great indication of deep psychological instability. His Pluto is not in 8th house in all house systems nor is his Uranus in 12th house in all house systems. His Pluto is in 9th house and his Uranus is in 12th house in Whole Sign House system which is the house system that Robert Hand uses. In his book WHOLE SIGN HOUSES: THE OLDEST HOUSE SYSTEM, Robert Hand wrote that the Whole Sign House was the oldest house system and that it was the one that Ptolemy Claudius used and that other house systems came into being as the result of misinterpretations of Ptolemy's text.

I really don't think that we need to look at house systems (Placidus,Koch,Whole Sign,Equal House,Regiomontanus,Topocentric,Porphyry,etc.) at all. Founder of Cosmobiology, Reinhold Ebertin certainly didn't There are disagreements with house the sectors of the sky should be divided. Some astrologers believe than an 8 house system can be used. Like the Cosmobiologists, I consider the environment, genetic makeup, and the sociological-political conditions. Therefore, I don't believe that there is any need for me to use houses.

I also don't think that we need to look at zodiac signs (whether Tropical,Sidereal,Draconic,Constellation,Galactic,Egyptian,Aztec,Mayan,Chinese,etc) at all. Founder of Hamburg School/Uranian Astrology, Alfred Witte certainly didn't. The zodiac signs are arbitrary, and they have been divided in numbers other than 12 in the past. The Babylonians even used over signs in their zodiac before changing to 12. The Sumerians were said to use 6 zodiac signs.

At least there are some things that I agree with Uranian Astrologers and Cosmobiologists on even though I disagree with them on other things.

The Magi Astrologers don't use zodiac signs nor houses. Those are things that I agree with Magi Astrologers on even though I disagree with them on other things. Magi Astrologers use midpoints, and so I agree with them on that too. I agree with only using only 45 degree series of aspects like the Cosmobiologists. The Magi Astrologers look at also 30 degree series of aspects,and I disagree with that method.

This is the use of midpoints from the perspective of 21st Century Astrology or what I like to prefer to as "Divergent Astrology."

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happy Pisces

libramoon — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:56:38 GMT

Etherized

Will o' the wisp in a land of dreams
Daisies, bright blooming weeds,
mellifluous, grand.
A Genie whooshing into lively form
above foam and sea
Arms wide in flight beyond fear,
absorbed by awareness -- unspoiled horizon
beyond confines of mind or eyes
or reason.
Who imagines,
and in that magic safely settles
to reside?
Women in velvet and fur, swan necks,
flamboyant tresses,
sip marvelous narcotic, sweet as fire.
Upheld mirror portraits, glowing strands
of wire and prismic hues,
vibrant perfumes call to wander,
to stray.
Will-less, free, each step,
each feather fall
a gift of mystery, of mystics' play,
cradle of bliss.

february 19, 2012

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Questions about the Tetrabiblos by Claudius Ptolemy

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:21:01 GMT

I have some questions about the Tetrabiblos as I am trying to understand the truth about Astrology.

From whom did astrologers get their information about the elements in regards to triplicities of the signs?

I noticed the following:

CHAPTER XXI
THE TRIPLICITIES
THE familiarity existing by triplicity arises in the following mode:

The triplicity preserves accordance with an equilateral triangle, and the whole zodiacal orbit is defined by three circles, viz. that of the equinox, and those of the two tropics; the twelve signs are, therefore, distributed among four equilateral triangles.

The first triangle, or triplicity, is formed by three masculine signs, Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius, having the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars as lords by house. Mars, however, being contrary in condition to the solar influence, this triplicity receives, as its lords, only Jupiter and the Sun. By day, therefore, the Sun claims the principal co-regency of it, and Jupiter by night. Aries is on the equinoctial circle, Leo on the summer, and Sagittarius on the winter circle. This triplicity is principally northern, owing to the concurrent dominion of Jupiter, who is fruitful and airy, and expressly connected with winds proceeding from the north; it is, however, also north-west, in consequence of being, in

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some degree, combined with the west by means of the house of Mars, who introduces western breezes and the feminine qualities of that quarter, in consequence of his lunar condition 1.

The second triplicity, formed by Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn, is allotted to the dominion of the Moon and Venus, since it consists of feminine signs. The Moon rules it by night, and Venus by day. Taurus is on the summer circle, Virgo on the equinoctial, and Capricorn on the winter. This triplicity is southern, in consequence of the dominion of Venus, whose warm and moist influence produces south winds: it, however, additionally receives a mixture of the east, by means of Saturn; for, as Capricorn is the house of that planet, and an eastern sign, Saturn becomes effective of winds from that quarter, and furnishes this triplicity with a mixture of the east, with which quarter he is further connected by means of his solar condition. 2

The third triplicity is composed of Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius, masculine signs. It holds connection with Saturn and Mercury by containing their houses, and is therefore attributed to them, and not to Mars, to which planet it bears no relation. Saturn rules it by day, owing to his condition, 3 and Mercury by night. Gemini is on the summer circle, Libra on the equinoctial, and Aquarius on the winter. This triplicity is principally eastern, by the influence of Saturn; but it becomes north-east by receiving also a mixture of the north from the condition of Jupiter, with which planet Saturn has, in this respect, a diurnal familiarity. 4

The fourth triplicity, formed by Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces, is left to the remaining planet, Mars, who has right in it by means of his house, Scorpio. But, as the signs which compose this triplicity are feminine, the Moon by night and Venus by day, through their feminine condition, govern it, together with Mars. Cancer is on the summer circle, Scorpio on the winter, and Pisces on the equinoctial. This triplicity is western, in consequence of the government of the Moon and Mars; but it is also blended with the south by the joint dominion of Venus, and therefore becomes south-west.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/astro/ptb/ptb24.htm

The only thing that I see about the triplicities are things in connection to seasons,weather

CHAPTER VIII
THE GENUS, CLASS, OR KIND, LIABLE TO BE AFFECTED
THE third division of these observations relates to the mode of distinguishing the genus, or species, of animals or things about to sustain the expected effect. This distinction is made by means of the conformation and peculiar properties of those signs in which the place of the eclipse, and the places of such fixed stars and planets, as are in dominion according to the actual sign of the eclipse, and that of the angle before it, may be found. And a planet, or fixed star, is to be considered as holding dominion when circumstanced as follows.

If there be found one planet having more numerous claims than any other to the place of the eclipse, as well as to that of the angle, being also in the immediate vicinity of those places, and visibly applying to, or receding from them, and having likewise more rights over other places connected with them by configuration; the said planet being, at the same time, lord by house, triplicity, exaltation, and terms; in such a case, only that single planet is entitled to dominion. But, if the lord of the eclipse and the lord of the angle be not identical, then those two planets which have most connections with each place are to be noted; and, of these two, the lord of the eclipse is to be preferred to the chief dominion, "although the other is to be considered as bearing rule conjointly." 2 And if more than two should be found, having equal pretensions

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to each place, that particular one among them which may be nearest to an angle, or most concerned with the places in question, by the nature of its condition, is to be selected for dominion 1.

But, among the fixed stars, the chief bright one (which, during the time of the eclipse, may hold connection, in any of the nine modes of apparent configuration detailed in the First Syntaxis 2 with the angles then actually in passage), is to be admitted to dominion; as also that one which, at the ecliptical hour, may be in an eminent situation, either having risen, or having culminated with the, angle following the place of the eclipse. 3

Having considered, according to the foregoing rules, what stars co-operate in regulating the coming event, the conformation and figure of the signs, in which the eclipse takes place and the said ruling stars may be posited, are also to be observed; and, from the properties and characteristics of those signs, the genus or species, to be comprehended in the event, is chiefly to be inferred.

For instance, should the zodiacal constellations, and those of the ruling fixed stars out of the zodiac, be of human shape, the effect will fall upon the human race. If the signs be not of human shape, but yet terrestrial, or quadrupedal, the event would be indicated to happen to animals of similar form: the signs shaped like reptiles signify that serpents and creatures of that description will be affected; those bearing the figure of ferocious beasts denote that the event will affect savage and destructive animals; and those figured like tame beasts show that it will operate on animals serviceable to mankind, and of domestic character; as intimated by the shape and figure of the signs, whether resembling horses, oxen, sheep, or any other useful animals. In addition to this, the terrestrial signs situated in the north, about the Arctic circle, indicate sudden earthquakes; and those in the south, sudden deluges of rain. And, should the ruling places be situated in signs shaped like winged animals, as in that of Aquila, or in others of similar form, the event will take effect on birds; and will chiefly attach to those which afford food to man. If the said places should be in signs

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formed like creatures which swim, and in marine signs, such as Delphinus, the effect will be felt by marine animals, and in the navigation of fleets; if in river signs, such as Aquarius and Pisces, it will attach to animals living in rivers and in fresh waters: and, if in Argo, both sea and fresh-water animals will be affected by it. 1

Again, should the ruling places be situated in tropical or in equinoctial signs, in either case alike they presignify changes in the state of the atmosphere, at the respective season to which each sign is appropriated. For example, with regard to the season of spring and the productions of the earth, if the said places should be in the sign of the vernal equinox, they will produce an effect on the buds of the vine and fig, and of such other trees as sprout forth at that season. Should they be in the sign of the summer tropic, the event will affect the gathering and depositing of fruits; and, with respect to Ægypt in particular, it will impede the rising of the Nile. If they should be in the sign of the autumnal equinox, they foreshow that it will operate on grain and on various sorts of herbs; if in the sign of the winter tropic, on potherbs, esculent vegetables, and such birds and fishes as arrive in that season.

The equinoctial signs further indicate the circumstances liable to happen in ecclesiastical concerns, and in religious matters: the tropical signs give warning of changes in the atmosphere and in political affairs; the fixed signs, of changes in institutions and in buildings; and the bicorporeal signs show that the future event will fall alike on princes and their subjects.

Again, the ruling places situated in the east, during the time of the eclipse, signify that fruits and seeds, incipient institutions, and the age of youth, will be affected; those, which may be in the mid-heaven above the earth announce that the coming event will relate to ecclesiastical affairs, to kings and princes, and to the middle age; those in the west, that it will influence the laws, old age, and persons about to die.

The proportion liable to be affected, of that genus or kind on which the event will fall, is to be ascertained by the magnitude of the obscuration caused by the eclipse, and by the positions held by the operative stars in regard to the ecliptical place; as, in vespertine position to a solar eclipse, or in matutine position to a lunar eclipse, the said stars will most usually much diminish the effect; in opposition they render it moderate; but in matutine position to a solar eclipse, or in vespertine to a lunar, they greatly augment and extend it. 2

http://www.sacred-texts.com/astro/ptb/ptb38.htm

"if in river signs, such as Aquarius and Pisces"

why are Aquarius and Pisces referred to as river signs?
How come Aquarius is not referred to air sign?

CHAPTER II
PECULIARITIES OBSERVABLE THROUGHOUT EVERY ENTIRE CLIMATE
THE peculiarities of all nations are distinguished according to entire parallels and entire angles, and by their situation with regard to the Sun and the Ecliptic.

The climate which we inhabit is situated in one of the Northern Quadrants: but other nations, which lie under more southern parallels, that is to say, in the space between the equinoctial line and the summer tropic, have the Sun in their zenith, and are continually scorched by it. They are consequently black in complexion, and have thick and curled hair. They are, moreover, ugly in person, of contracted stature, hot in disposition, and fierce in manners, in consequence of the incessant heats to which they are exposed; and they are called by the common name of Æthiopians. But the human race does not alone afford evidence of the violent heat in these regions; it is shown also by all other animals and by the state of the surrounding atmosphere.

The natives of those countries which lie under the more remote northern parallels (that is to say, under the Arctic circle and beyond it 1) have their zenith far distant from the zodiac and the Sun's heat. Their constitutions, therefore, abound in cold, and are also highly imbued with moisture, which is in itself a most nutritive quality, and, in these latitudes, is not exhausted by heat: hence they are fair in complexion, with straight hair, of large bodies and full stature. They are cold in disposition, and wild in manners, owing to the constant cold. The state of the surrounding atmosphere and of animals and plants, corresponds

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with that of men; who (as natives of these countries) are designated by the general name of Scythian.

The nations situated between the summer tropic and the Arctic circle, having the meridian Sun neither in their zenith nor yet far remote from it, enjoy a well-temperated atmosphere. This favourable temperature, however, still undergoes variation, and changes alternatively from heat to cold; but the variation is never vast nor violent. The people who enjoy this kindly atmosphere are consequently of proportion-ate stature and complexion, and of good natural disposition: they live not in a state of dispersion, but dwell together in societies, and are civilised in their habits. Among the nations comprehended in this division, those verging towards the south are more industrious and ingenious than the others, and more adapted to the sciences: and these qualifications are engendered in them by the vicinity of the zodiac to their zenith, and by the familiarity thus subsisting between them and the planets moving in the zodiac, which familiarly gives activity and an intellectual impulse to their minds. Again, the natives of those countries which lie towards the east excel in courage, acting boldly and openly under all circumstances; for in all their characteristics they are principally conformed to the Sun's nature, which is oriental, diurnal, masculine and dexter--(and it is plainly apparent that the dexter parts of all animals are much stronger than others)--hence results the greater courage of the inhabitants of the East. And as the Moon, on her first appearance after conjunction, is always seen in the west, the western parts are therefore lunar, and consequently feminine and sinister; whence it follows that the inhabitants of the west are milder, more effeminate and reserved.

Thus, in all countries, certain respective peculiarities exist in regard to manners, customs and laws; and in each it is found that some portion of the inhabitants differs partially and individually from the usual habits and condition of their race. These variations arise similarly to the variations perceptible in the condition of the atmosphere; as, in all countries, the general state of whose atmosphere may be either hot, or cold, or temperate, certain districts are found to possess a particular temperature of their own, and to be more or less hot, or cold, by being more or less elevated than the general face of the country. So, likewise, certain people become navigators owing to their proximity to the sea, while others are equestrian, because their country is a plain; and others, again, become domiciliated by the fertility of their soil.

And thus, in each particular climate, certain peculiar qualities are to be found, arising from the natural familiarity which it holds with the stars and the twelve signs. And although these qualities do not pervade it, in such a manner as to be necessarily exhibited by every individual native, yet they are so far generally distributed as to be of much utility in investigating particular events; and it is highly important to take at least a brief notice of them.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/astro/ptb/ptb32.htm

"They are consequently black in complexion, and have thick and curled hair. They are, moreover, ugly in person, of contracted stature, hot in disposition, and fierce in manners, in consequence of the incessant heats to which they are exposed; and they are called by the common name of Æthiopians."

Why did he make statements about black people being ugly, hot in disposition, and fierce in manners in connection to position of the Sun and climate?

CHAPTER XX
HOUSES OF THE PLANETS
THOSE stars which are denominated planetary orbs have particular familiarity with certain places in the zodiac, by means of parts designated as their houses, and also by their triplicities, exaltations, terms, and so forth.

The nature of their familiarity by houses is as follows:

Cancer and Leo are the most northerly of all the twelve signs; they approach nearer than the other signs to the zenith of this part of the earth, and thereby cause warmth and heat: they are consequently appropriated as houses for the two principal and greater luminaries; Leo for the Sun, as being masculine; and Cancer for the Moon, as being feminine. It has hence resulted, that the semicircle from Leo to Capricorn has been ordained solar, and the semicircle from Aquarius to Cancer, lunar; in order that each planet might occupy one sign in each semicircle, and thus have one of its houses configurated with the Sun and the other with the Moon, conformably to the motions of its own sphere, and the peculiar properties of its nature.

Saturn, therefore, since he is cold and inimical to heat, moving also in a superior orbit most remote from the luminaries, occupies the signs opposite to Cancer and Leo: these are Aquarius and Capricorn; and they are assigned to him in consideration of their cold and wintry nature; and because the configuration by opposition does not co-operate towards the production of good. 1

Jupiter has a favourable temperament, and is situated beneath the sphere of Saturn; he therefore occupies the next two signs, Sagittarius

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and Pisces. These signs are airy and fruitful, in consequence of their trinal distance from the houses of the luminaries, which distance harmonises with the operation of good.

Mars is dry in nature, and beneath the sphere of Jupiter: he takes the next two signs, of a nature similar to his own, viz. Aries and Scorpio, whose relative distances from the houses of the luminaries are injurious and discordant.

Venus, possessing a favourable temperament, and placed beneath the sphere of Mars, takes the next two signs, Taurus and Libra. These are of a fruitful nature, and preserve harmony by the sextile distance; and this planet is never more than two signs distant from the Sun.

Mercury never has greater distance from the Sun than the space of one sign, and is beneath all the other planets: hence he is placed nearest to both luminaries, and the remaining two signs, Gemini and Virgo, are allotted to him.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/astro/ptb/ptb23.htm

"Cancer and Leo are the most northerly of all the twelve signs; they approach nearer than the other signs to the zenith of this part of the earth"

Why are Cancer and Leo considered the most northerly of all the 12 signs?

Back in the tropical zodiac, the signs Cancer and Leo, taken as a pair, were never the most northern of the twelve signs, or closest to our zenith; nor are they now. In our hemisphere, the Sun is the most northern and nearest to the zenith when in 30 Gemini or 0 Cancer---which is saying the same thing. Hence, in the tropical zodiac Gemini and Cancer are the most northerly of the twelve signs, and thus will always be in that zodiac.

In the sidereal zodiac, Cancer and Leo were the most northerly of the twelve and nearest to the zenith about 1955 B.C - The beginning of the Arian Age, the time when the summer solstice occurred with the Sun in the last degree of the constellation Cancer, or at the beginning of the first degree of the constellation Leo.

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Extreme 8th Housers? Need help please....

Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:43:15 GMT

This is all very new to me.

So I'm Sag rising, Sun Cancer 8th, Moon Leo 8th, Mercury Leo 8th, Jupiter Cancer 8th. I'm a bloody walking contradiction. It's only recently made a bit more sense to me what has been happening my whole life. I'm not really crazy! lol I would really like to know if there is anyone else out there like this. I really need a chin wag. How do I turn this 'knowing' off?

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Draconic charts

Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:45:54 GMT

Does anyone use Draconic charts for Draconic to Natal or synastry comparison?

Noel Tyl says draconic charts can shed light on where energy should be focused. It illuminates developmental themes of greatest importance, and it confirms the ‘big bells’ in the natal horoscope.

I am clueless about Draconic charts, is it valuable or just another astrological "toy"?

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In the Draco chart, there is no “sitting on the fence” or hesitating about “what to do” if we want to seek our destiny and any aspects to the natal chart can be quite instructional. Remember, the ONLY thing different in the Draco chart is the signs of the house cusps and the planets. This tells us about an underlying orientation that we otherwise have, but may not always see.

There are two main ways to consider the Draconic Natal Chart. It can be read as a stand alone, considering the difference between the orientation of the signs in the original natal chart, and it can be read in aspect to the tropical natal chart. The fist technique is most instructional if you compare the two Zodiacs planet by planet, cusp by cusp. For example if the Natal chart has the sun at 2 degrees of Gemini in the 10th house, we might say there is a need to communicate widely and knowledgeable in ones chosen profession--to feel distinct, this person needs to shine before the public in a sharp, dynamic, witty way. If the Draconic sun is there (it will always have the same house position and aspects) in the sign of Capricorn, there may be an underlying need for that public recognition to reap tangible results--something Gemini alone is not too concerned with. Going through all the planets and angles in this way brings quick insights.

The second technique is a way of comparing aspects between planets and points otherwise not revealed. The measurment, remember, is the distance of any planet from the North Lunar Node. If, for example, the original natal chart has the Moon 32 degrees ahead of the North Node and the Draconic Chart has Saturn at 2 degrees of Taurus (32 degrees ahead of the Draconic North Lunar Node or 0 Aries) there is a conjunction between the Moon and Saturn that otherwise would not have been seen. This can explain much in charts were there is no original aspect between planets but a powerful conjunction in the Draco to Tropical comparison.

There are several ways of using the Draconic zodiac in relationship comparisons. You can look at Draconic to Draconic or Draconic to Tropical natal or progressed charts. In this way, there may be connections under the surface that aren't obvious in the Tropical Zodiac charts but make a lot of sense when they show up in the Draco.

http://www.falconastrology.com/draconic.html

http://www.tamsoft.co.in/draconic.html

http://www.noeltyl.com/insights/081031.html

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A Call Out to Pisces MC's (Midheaven)

SUPERuNKNOWN — Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:41:59 GMT

A call out to all Pisces MC's (people born with their Midheaven in Pisces or people experiencing the effects of Pisces MC) to discuss their experiences, especially in the area of Career and/or finding one's Life's Purpose.

I've come across SO many people born with their Midheaven in Pisces who, by nature, have difficulty realizing a satisfying career/purpose they believe in and/or having an overwhelming feeling that their true Purpose in Life is not being fulfilled. Words such as 'clouded', 'wandering', etc. are sometimes used to describe this placement. Even though many people have difficulties with finding their true purpose in life, Pisces MC's seem to have it exponentially pronounced. Some have described it something like: those who are still lost in the labyrinth of their lives, drifting from one place to another looking for "something" but not quite sure of what it actually is. On the flip-side though, when these individuals do find their true Purpose in Life, and EXTRAORDINARY amount positive energy is created, beyond typical norms, and circulated throughout the Universe...these Pisces MC's KNOW something...

This is a call out to all Pisces MC's to discuss their journeys though Life, regardless of what phase you're currently in.

Have you found your Purpose? Your ideal career? or are you still wandering?

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astro*intelligence reports and accuracy

Ty — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:47:25 GMT

i just purchased an report from astro.com. The "Year at a Glance" report by Liz Greene. I was surprised as to what was predominantly focused on throughout the report, I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with these purchased (and expensive) reports. I'm choosing to look at it as an investment for therapy.

So tell me, what are your experiences? How did the yearly report exemplify your actual year in reality?
Are certain transits kickstarted by others? For example does Pluto Conjunct my Neptune opposing my Moon kickstart the Pluto Opposite Moon transit??
Was the astro report too soft? Or was it very honest and well-rounded in describing both the light and dark aspects of the year ahead.

This year my main themes are:
Jupiter conjunct Descendant
Jupiter Opposite Saturn
Saturn conjunct Prog. Venus
progressed Moon Opposite Saturn

So far....so true....

Let me hear it!!

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Sun Opposition Moon - Born Under a Full Moon

Temazcula — Sat, 01 May 2010 08:08:09 GMT

Hey all-

I was just wondering who else out there was born under a full moon. I've been reading up on it a lot and it explains a lot about my chaotic nature. I've always felt so non-committal - not in the sense that I don't care, but in the sense that I really genuinely just never know exactly what I want. I want everything, I want nothing, I feel this way but I always feel that way. Nothing is ever fixed. Which is weird because my opposition is Leo-Aquarius, two fixed signs. I feel more like a Libra most of the time. It's so frustrating because I spend SO much time self-analyzing but I never seem to come to a conclusion about anything. I can't pin myself down, I can't understand my own nature.

Does anyone else with this aspect feel similar? How do you ground yourself?

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Sidereal Astrology

Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:08:40 GMT

I found this fascinating, and it's really got me thinking about the zodiacs:

Sidereal Astrology Originated in Ancient Egypt:

Astrology Originated
in Ancient Egypt

Why the Sidereal Zodiac is spiritually real Astrology…
The Unknown Zodiac: Sidereal Astrology

Jan Muzurus, Sidereal Astrologer:
in conversation with
Alexander Blair-Ewart, Sidereal Astrologer:

ABE: You are a Sidereal Astrologer. What is Sidereal Astrology?

Jan M.: Sidereal Astrology is entirely different from Tropical Astrology, which is what most people know about. In fact, there is only one Zodiac; the difference lies in the starting point.

ABE: The Tropical Zodiac starts from 0º ARIES, but there is more to it than that.

Jan M.: Well, yes, there were at least five different Tropical Zodiacs, because it moves, but in the Sidereal Zodiac it’s a fixed point where for all time the fixed star SPICA at 29º and 6 minutes of the constellation of VIRGO is used.

ABE: What happened?

Jan M.: If you go back into history to the time of Hyparcus in Greece around the year 139A.D. you find these five Tropical Zodiacs; one started at 15º ARIES, another at 12º …

ABE: A famous one at 8º…

Jan M.: Yes and another one at 10º and, of course, 0º ARIES.

ABE: And the reason why all of this is important is because it determines where the Sun, Moon and planets are supposed to be in the birth chart.

Jan M.: Indeed, and it’s all wrong at the moment.

ABE: Because we are no longer in the Age of ARIES. We are in the Age of PISCES.

Jan M.: Exactly and in order to get back to the true, original Egypto-Chaldean Zodiac, which is what we side realists use, the Tropical Zodiac has to be brought forward 24.5º degrees! And this is due to the precession of the equinox.

ABE: When did the confusion begin?

Jan M.: The Tropical Zodiac and Sidereal Zodiac were briefly the same when the precession of the equinox reached 0º ARIES in the year 221 A.D.

ABE: How did that influence astrology?

Jan M.: Well, as you know, if you had done your horoscope in either system at the time they would have been the same.

ABE: And that’s where the current problems in astrology arose.

Jan M.: Yes. Since that time the Tropical Zodiac, due to the precession of the equinox, has been drifting into deeper and deeper error and now it’s over 24º degrees from where it should be.

ABE: It’s interesting that the Egyptian-Chaldean astrologers were perfectly aware of the exact precession of the equinox. We know that from their calendars.

Jan M.: Oh, definitely. They proved conclusively that they knew what they were doing. After all, they were the originators of astrology.

ABE: It’s also a very interesting thing that modern space-age astronomy used astrologically is the same astrology as the Egytian-Chaldean astrologers were using.

Jan M.: Exactly.

ABE: The Sidereal Zodiac was rediscovered in modern times by Cyril Fagan and Garth Allan. Can you talk about that?

Jan M.: Cyril Fagan was an Egyptologist and great researcher. He proved beyond all doubt that the original zodiac was Sidereal. Anyone can prove this for themselves. It’s there in the Egyptian hieroglyphs.

ABE: So, Cyril Fagan, Garth Allan, Brigadier Firebrace were around in the Twenties and Thirties and caused quite a furor in astrological circles by all accounts.

Jan M.: They certainly did because they were using original astrological techniques like the fixed stars, for instance, which had become almost entirely lost to the Tropical astrologers.

ABE: Sidereal Astrology seems to at last be coming again into its own, along with, oddly enough, Hindu Astrology, which is sort of Sidereal but it’s not what you or I would describe as a pure Sidereal Astrology.

Jan M.: The Hindus might have at one time had the best zodiac but when the Greek conqueror, Alexander the Great, invaded India, he imposed Tropical ideas on them and the whole thing became awfully confused.

ABE: These five Tropical Zodiacs that we spoke about earlier: is there more to say about them?

Jan M.: They were the work of highly respected Greek astrologers but, of course, as we now know, the Greeks did not know how the solar system works. Eventually the Hyparcus version became the most widely known, because the Arabs adopted it and took it everywhere with them.

ABE: And Hyparcus was the Oº ARIES theorist.

Jan M.: So, you can see the complications and confusion at the beginning of the Tropical Zodiac of signs. Of course, in Sidereal Astrology, we don’t have these problems.

ABE: So, in fact, Sidereal Astrology is metaphysical astronomy.

Jan M.: Exactly. Because where the Tropical astrologer thinks the planets are and where they really are, are two completely different things and it all goes back to the Greeks thinking that the vernal equinox is fixed for all time some where in the first 15º of ARIES.

ABE: So, they lost the knowledge that the Universe is Sun-centered and thought it was Earth-centered, an easy enough mistake to make. Think of the terrible time Galileo had trying to convince the Church in the sixteenth century.

Jan M.: It took those sixteen hundred years to regain that lost knowledge.

ABE: Yes. Full credits go to the genius Johann Kepler who got modern astronomy off the ground … no pun intended.

Jan M.: It’s been a long road back to the true zodiac. Cyril Fagan was a Tropical astrologer for twenty-five years before he threw it out. Same thing with the great Canadian Brigadier Firebrace: after twenty-five years he found that something was lacking. The same with Garth Allan. He was involved with Positional Astrology and discovered the same thing. There was also Carl Stahl in Chicago who wrote three books on Sidereal Astrology.

ABE: There was also Rupert Gleadow.

Jan M.: Rupert Gleadow was an amazing man. In fact, he wrote some fine work, which I think is available.

ABE: Yes: “The Origin of the Zodiac” and “The Zodiac Revealed.

Jan M.: Rupert Gleadow was a Greek scholar and proved conclusively that the Sidereal zodiac is the correct one.

ABE: So, small as it is, there is a Sidereal literature.

Jan M.: Well, yes but you still have to make a point of finding or ordering the literature and its interesting that now the Tropical astrologers are becoming more interested and wanting to find out.

ABE: There is another Sidereal astrologer called James A. Eshelman. What about him?

Jan M.: Yes, I know James and his work is also very interesting, particularly his book on the interpretation of solar returns.

ABE: Garth Allan, whose real name, of course, is Donald Bradley, did a good book on solar returns. I guess I should explain for our readers that the solar return chart is calculated each year on your birthday when the Sun comes back to exactly the same degrees, minutes and seconds as it was at birth.

Jan M.: Brigadier Firebrace wrote a series of books called “The Moray Series”, which unfortunately are not available here yet but most of the other books can be ordered from a good New Age bookstore.

ABE: Firebrace, a Canadian living in London, was really a pioneer there.

Jan M.: Of course he was. Yes. And, you know, in those days in London, he had a hell of a job.

ABE: That was in the Fifties.

Jan M.: Yes, the Fifties. He was alone in the astrological community; fellows like me were extremely lucky because I had the privilege of knowing Brigadier Firebrace and Charles Carter, John Addey, my good friend Ronald Davidson, who has just died, but that’s decades ago. Astrology since then is changing because the Tropicalists are becoming more open-minded.

ABE: Why do you think that is?

Jan M.: Well, the problem with the Tropical zodiac is apparent to anyone who really understands it. You have about seventy-five aspects; you have antiscion [spelling] points; you have midpoints, you have ninety-seven [TBC] … asteroids galore; you have seven hypothetical planets invented by my good friend Charles Jayne, who died in New York; you have eight, that the Ebertine system uses; and all that isn’t even the most of it!

ABE: No wonder there is incredible confusion amongst Tropical astrologers and, of course, it’s a nightmare for the student.

Jan M.: But you ask a Tropical astrologer what is going to happen in the future and he or she wouldn’t have a clue.

ABE: Non-Sidereal Astrology on the other hand employs far fewer techniques. It’s a streamlined, very direct system that once you understand the original principles of it you can work with it.

Jan M.: My regret about the Tropical astrologers, even after what I said just now is that nine astrologers out of ten don’t know the full history of their own subject and what is even worse they don’t know anything about astronomy.

ABE: How long have you been involved with Sidereal Astrology?

Jan M.: I studied like Brigadier Firebrace and Cyril Fagan. The Tropical zodiac for about twenty-five years but when I wanted answers in terms of more accurate predictions, the Sidereal zodiac proved itself to me.

ABE: I’m happy to say it didn’t take me twenty-five years to get to the Sidereal zodiac.

Jan M.: You’re a lucky boy! [Laughs]

ABE: Well, I guess, as with so many areas of knowledge, we are the midgets standing on the shoulders of giants. Still I must say that once I understood the astronomical significance of the precession of the equinox everything else followed quite naturally from there.

Jan M.: Indeed, yes, it all begins to make sense when you reach that point.

http://westernsiderealastrology.wordpress.com/sidereal-astrology-originated-in-ancient-egypt/

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Charles Jayne

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:40:55 GMT

Charles Jayne (1911-1985)
Had an interest in studying occult theory, and especially Theosophy.
Was one of the founders of the National Council for Geocosmic Research.
President of the Astrologers Guild of America from 1958 to 1960.
Founded a society for astrological research called the Astrological Bureau in 1953, and then another society for similar purposes in 1958 called the Astrological Research Associates, which reputedly published the first international research article.
Founded the Association for Research in Cosmecology in 1970, which published a technical journal called the Cosmecology Bulletin.
Practiced, lectured and taught widely on astrology for many years, and wrote a newspaper astrology column in the New York Daily News.
Claimed to have invented the Vertex point, independently of the man credited with the invention L Edward Johndro according to James Holden.
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Charles_Jayne
http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/jayne.html

I looked at the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates in his chart to check out his evolutionary intensified nature.

As evolutionary intensified objects, I believe that the energy of the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates involve lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.

They are highly metaphysical energies that involve insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of many others. These energies are about about going well beyond self and tapping into that mass consciousness. There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and affect people on a grand scale.

Their very distant location,their tendency to orbit off the ecliptic as well as some of them with highly elliptical orbits make them objects that are divergent from the planets. Therefore, people with strong transneptunian energies can be divergent from the norm. They can be quite the nonconformists. I suspect that these are the same people that can relate to personality types like Indigo,Crystal,Earth Angel,Lightworker too. The same energies could be prominent in people with neurodivergences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, Autistic Spectrum which have overlapping traits with serious psychiatric disorders like Bipolar and Schizophrenia.

I looked at the transneptunian dwarf planets in Charles Jayne's chart because he came up with his own transneptunian objects, Sigma, Pan, Isis, Morya, Hermes, Osiris, Midas, and Lion and used them in Astrological charts, and they have never been confirmed. Seeing how controverisal this is to both Astronomy and Uranian Astrologers who have their own transneptunian objects to use in astrological chart, I thought checking out Eris would be a great idea.

Orbs
conjunction,opposition,trine,square - 3'00
sextile - 2'00
quincunx,semisextile,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile - 1'00
(I use the same orbs for Pluto)

Eris
oppose Midheaven - '36
diversity,equality,controversy at odds with aim of life

Sedna
trine Ascendant - 2'15
sextile Mars - '39
environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization in harmony with relating and in support with actions

Varuna
sextile Moon - '53
cosmic order,judgment,justice in support with feelings

Quaoar
quintile Mars - '21
creativity,inspiration in creative connection with actions

Orcus
oppose Sun - 1'01
oaths,promises at odds with self expression

Ixion
square Ascendant - 1'24
human-ness,second chances in friction with relating

Haumea
square Sun - '29
quintile Midheaven - '15
biquintile Ascendant - '05
fertility,creativity in friction with self expression, creative connection with aim of life and relating

RIGHT ASCENSION

Orcus
oppose Mercury - 1'23
trine Ascendant - '32
oaths,promises at odds with thinking and in harmony with relating

Ixion
sesquiquadrate Moon - '00
human-ness,second chances in irritation with feelings

Makemake
oppose Ascendant - 1'06
trine Mercury - '49
creativity,fertility,male reproduction at odds with relating and in harmony with thinking

Main theme aspects
(transneptunian dwarf planets in Ptolemaic aspecting Sun,Moon,Asc,Midheaven within 1 degree with the exception of Sextile which gets 30 minutes)

Main Theme Aspects:
Midheaven oppose Eris
Sun square Haumea
Sun oppose Orcus ('01 past orb)
Ascendant trine Orcus in RA
Ascendant oppose Makemake in RA ('06 past orb)

Evolutionary Intensified Self Expression
Sun oppose Orcus
Sun square Haumea
T-SQUARE

Evolutionary Intensified Feelings
Moon sextile Varuna
Moon sesquiquadrate Ixion

Evolutionary Intensified Relating
Ascendant square Ixion
Ascendant trine Sedna
Ascendant trine Orcus in RA
Ascendant oppose Makemake in RA
Ascendant biquintile Haumea

Evolutionary Intensifed Aim Of Life
Midheaven oppose Eris
Midheaven quintile Haumea

Evolutionary Intensified Thinking
Mercury oppose Orcus in RA
Mercury trine Makemake in RA

Evolutionary Intensified Actions
Mars sextile Sedna
Mars quintile Quaoar

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Alfred Witte

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:34:29 GMT

"Alfred Witte (1878-1941) was a German astrologer and the founder of the Hamburg School of Astrology. Witte revived and further developed the use of astrological midpoints for precision in astrological analysis and prediction. He was also an avid independent student of astronomy."

Witte's system recently came to be known in many circles as Uranian astrology. "
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Alfred_Witte

I looked at the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates in his chart to check out his evolutionary intensified nature.

As evolutionary intensified objects, I believe that the energy of the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates involve lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.

They are highly metaphysical energies that involve insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of many others. These energies are about about going well beyond self and tapping into that mass consciousness. There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and affect people on a grand scale.

Their very distant location,their tendency to orbit off the ecliptic as well as some of them with highly elliptical orbits make them objects that are divergent from the planets. Therefore, people with strong transneptunian energies can be divergent from the norm. They can be quite the nonconformists. I suspect that these are the same people that can relate to personality types like Indigo,Crystal,Earth Angel,Lightworker too. The same energies could be prominent in people with neurodivergences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, Autistic Spectrum which have overlapping traits with serious psychiatric disorders like Bipolar and Schizophrenia.

I looked at the transneptunian dwarf planets in Alfred Witte's chart because he came up with hypothetical transneptunians and put them in charts. This was before Pluto was discovered in 1930. He thought something else was going on that wasn't showing in astrological charts, and so he started looking for transneptunian objects in our solar system. He discovered them by examining horoscopes. Any ways.......I am going to be discussing any significant transneptunian dwarf planet energies in chart that he had no idea of knowing even though he came up with his own transneptunians that have never been confirmed. Nonetheless, his ideas have been embraced by many astrologers aka Hamburg School/Uranian Astrologers.
Because of the controversy of his discovery and use of hypothetical transneptunians in Astrology , I thought it would be a good idea to check out what Eris was doing in his chart.

Orbs
conjunction,opposition,trine,square - 3'00
sextile - 2'00
quincunx,semisextile,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile - 1'00
(I use the same orbs for Pluto)

Eris
conjunct Sun - 2'07
diversity,equality,controversy merge with self expression

Varuna
trine Mars - '09
square Ascendant - '00
cosmic order,justice,judgment in harmony with actions and in friction with relating

Orcus
oppose Midheaven - '30
semisquare Sun - '11
semisextile Mercury - '03
semisextile Venus - '09
oaths,promises at odds with aim of life, in minor friction with self expression, in minor support with thinking and love

Makemake
semisextile Sun - '26
semisquare Mercury - '17
semisquare Venus - '24
fertility,creativity,male reproduction in support with self expression and in minor friction thinking and love

RIGHT ASCENSION

Eris
semisquare Mars - '51
diversity,equality,controversy in minor friction with actions

Pluto
square Venus - 1'43
power,regeneration in friction with love

Ixion
conjunct Midheaven - 1'26
quincunx Moon - '21
quincunx Mercury - '02
human-ness,second chances merge with aim of life, in strain with feelings and thinking

Haumea
square Venus - '01
creativity,fertility,female reproduction in friction with love

Main theme aspects
(transneptunian dwarf planets in Ptolemaic aspecting Sun,Moon,Asc,Midheaven within 1 degree with the exception of Sextile which gets 30 minutes)

Main theme aspects:
Ascendant square Varuna
Midheaven oppose Orcus

Evolutionary Intensified Self Expression
Sun conjunct Eris
Sun semisquare Orcus
Sun semisextile Makemake

Evolutionary Intensified Feelings
Moon quincunx Ixion

Evolutionary Intensified Relating
Ascendant square Varuna

Evolutionary Intensified Aim Of Life
Midheaven oppose Orcus
Midheaven conjunct Ixion

Evolutionary Intensified Thinking
Mercury semisextile Orcus
Mercury semisquare Makemake
Mercury quincunx Ixion in RA

Evolutionary Intensifed Loving
Venus square Haumea in RA
Venus square Pluto in RA
Venus semisquare Makemake
Venus semisextile Orcus

Evolutionary Intensified Actions
Mars semisquare Eris

Because he was a proponent of using midpoints with hypothetical transneptunian objects, I thought looking at midpoints with transneptunian dwarf planets would make sense. I only looked at his direct midpoint pictures. That means that I looked at only conjunction and opposition to a midpoint. I am using only 1 degree orb.

Eris
conjunct Venus/Sedna - '32
conjunct Mercury/Sedna - '29
diversity,equality,controversy combine with the integration of love and environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization and with the integration of thinking and environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization

Saturn
conjunct Sun/Sedna - '39
structure combine with the integration of self expression and environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization

Sun
conjunct Sedna/Node - '10
self expression combine with the integration of environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization and associations

Sedna
conjunct Moon/Neptune - '41
environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization combine with the integration of feelings and dissolution

Ascendant
oppose Pluto/Eris - '32
oppose Neptune/Sedna - '33
relating at odds with the integration of power,regeneration and diversity,equality,controvery and with the integration of dissolution and environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization

Pluto
conjunct Saturn/Midheaven - '24
power,regeneration combine with the integration of structure and aim of life

note:
He had 2 Sun-Sedna direct midpoint configurations.
He had 2 Neptune-Sedna direct midpoint configurations.
He had 2 Eris-Sedna direct midpoint configurations.
He had 2 Pluto direct midpoint configurations.
He had 6 Sedna direct midpoint configurations.
He had 4 Eris direct midpoint configurations.

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Cyril Fagan

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:14:50 GMT

CYRIL FAGAN

"Irish-American civil servant 1921, retired 1956. He was almost totally deaf from the age of seven, and spent his working life as a grade-three civil servant - no more than a glorified filing clerk.
Fagan was a siderealist astrologer, a discipline he adopted after some 30 years of using the tropical zodiac. A researcher, historian and a pioneer in his field, he was a prolific writer for magazines. He was a Theosophist who evolved into a Buddhist. Bored with the day-job, his sharp intellect found stimulation in his studies of ancient astronomy, mathematics, languages and modern astrology. Fagan was in dialogue with experts in these fields working in the British Museum and elsewhere. Being deaf, he didn't have to listen to anyone else; however, his handicap led to the habit of speaking very loudly in order to be heard, so he tended to dominate conversations. "
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Fagan%2C_Cyril

If this is true, then this bugs the hell out of me!:
They moved to Arizona in 1966, and later (in 1969) Juan Revilla quoted Mrs. Fagan (said with vehemence), that he had been treated badly there by astrologers who regarded him with petty jealousy.

Why can't astrologers get along and support each other? It's bad enough the astrological community is given a hard time by the astronomical community. Why should astrologers give each other a hard time?

I looked at the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates in his chart to check out his evolutionary intensified nature.

As evolutionary intensified objects, I believe that the energy of the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates involve lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.

They are highly metaphysical energies that involve insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of many others. These energies are about about going well beyond self and tapping into that mass consciousness. There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and affect people on a grand scale.

Their very distant location,their tendency to orbit off the ecliptic as well as some of them with highly elliptical orbits make them objects that are divergent from the planets. Therefore, people with strong transneptunian energies can be divergent from the norm. They can be quite the nonconformists. I suspect that these are the same people that can relate to personality types like Indigo,Crystal,Earth Angel,Lightworker too. The same energies could be prominent in people with neurodivergences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, Autistic Spectrum which have overlapping traits with serious psychiatric disorders like Bipolar and Schizophrenia.

I looked at the transneptunian dwarf planets in Cyril Fagan's chart because he was a person who was a nonconformist and outside the box compared to other western astrologers. He may have been a genius. He certainly was controversial, and so looking at what Eris is doing in his chart is warranted. Maybe Tropical Western Astrologers thought he was too "out there" for expressing his divergent Astrological views.

Orbs
conjunction,opposition,trine,square - 3'00
sextile - 2'00
quincunx,semisextile,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile - 1'00
(I use the same orbs for Pluto)

Quaoar
sextile Sun - '32
sextile Moon - '33
trine Mars - '41
quintile Venus - '29
creativity,inspiration in support with self expression and feelings, in harmony with actions, and in creative connection with love

Orcus
square Midheaven - 1'29
oaths,promises in friction with aim of life

Sedna
sextile Midheaven - 1'14
environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization in support with aim of life

Haumea
conjunct Mercury - '35
creativity,fertility,female reproduction merge with thinking

Makemake
trine Ascendant - '13
creativity,fertility,male reproduction in harmony with relating

Eris
square Mercury - '55
diversity,equality,controversy in friction with thinking

Ixion
square Venus - '59
human-ness, second chances in friction with love

Varuna
quincunx Ascendant - '05
cosmic order,judgment,justice in strain with relating with others

RIGHT ASCENSION

Orcus
quintile Venus - '22
oaths,promises in creative connection with love

Makemake
conjunct Venus - '14
trine Ascendant - 1'04
semisquare Mars - '12
creativity,fertility,male reproduction merge with love, in harmony with relating with others, in minor friction with action

Eris
sextile Midheaven - '41
diversity,equality,controversy in support with aim of life

Main theme aspects
(transneptunian dwarf planets in Ptolemaic aspecting Sun,Moon,Asc,Midheaven within 1 degree with the exception of Sextile which gets 30 minutes)

Main theme aspects:
Ascendant trine Makemake
Sun sextile Quaoar
Moon sextile Quaoar
(Quaoar conjunct Sun/Moon - '34)
Eris sextile Midheaven (same as Eris trine Imum Coeli)

Evolutionary Intensified Self Expression
Sun sextile Quaoar

Evolutionary Intensified Feelings
Moon sextile Quaoar

Evolutionary Intensified Relating
Ascendant trine Makemake
Ascendant quincunx Varuna

Evolutionary Intensified Aim of Life
Midheaven sextile Eris in RA
Midheaven sextile Sedna
Midheaven square Orcus

Evolutionary Intensified Thinking
Mercury conjunct Haumea
Mercury square Eris

Evolutionary Intensified Loving
Venus square Ixion
Venus quintile Orcus

Evolutionary Intensified Action
Mars trine Quaoar
Mars semisquare Makemake

I suspected a significant Eris influence in his chart because of the controversy he caused in the Western Astrological Community with his going against the astrological status quo by advocating Western Sidereal Astrology and that the first zodiac was sidereal. I was right.
He had Mercury square Eris which straights up points to be a controversial communication because he talks about ideas that diverge from the mainstream.

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Western Astrology Primer

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:26:55 GMT

The Types of Astrological Birth Charts -
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There are three primary "types" of astrological birth charts which can be created.
1) A " sidereal " birth chart, which indicates the actual location (real time) of the planets at the time of a person's birth.
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2) A " tropical " birth chart, which is a chart which does NOT take the precessional movement into account.
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a personal note:
A "tropical" birth chart is the typical chart of choice for western astrologers. The "tropical zodiac" presumes the exact location of the Sun at 0 degrees Aries on every Spring Equinox regardless of the year in question.
The present difference between the Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs is now about 24+ degrees of arc! If the tropical zodiac were an annual calendar it would be almost one month in error. If it were a clock it would be running almost two hours fast. (Note for Tropical astrologers: Do a quick read "here" to see why the tropical calendar is inadequate for creating accurate astrological charts.)
The Tropical calendar was never intended to be applied to astrological methods. It seems that the tropical method became more popular among the "common folk" as science and scientific types began to reject astrology and turned their attention more to astronomy only. The purpose of the Tropical system was to conform the calendar to the seasons for the purpose of systematizing agricultural strategies and for creating regularity in the observance of religious "holy days" (holidays). The Greek word "horoscopus" means the "points that were (actually) rising at the hour of birth".
The ONLY reason that western tropical astrology has any remaining validity is because of the application of the planetary "aspects" (as partially described herein). The balance of its methods are, presently, (at best) without significant value and (at worst) they can be psychologically confusing.
Contemporary western astrology has been debunked and rightly so. Reform is required to restore astrology to its exalted purpose, which is to conform one's activities to the divine flow of life and its multifarious energies.
One measure of astrology's success can be measured by the number of illuminated adepts it produces.
Without reform, tropical astrology will just continue to be a part of what has truly been a period of great spiritual and metaphysical confusion and a self-fulfilling prophesy which enhances spiritual bondage.
Western-Tropical astrological methods, have misinformed about 85% of westerners regarding the most basic and fundamental astrological issue, the birth sign, and have misinformed 100% regarding the stars which are ACTUALLY rising ("horoscopus" ascendant) at the moment of birth. It has, therefore, received much well deserved scorn from astronomers and other scientists who are perplexed by present western astrological methods which have nothing at all to do with the actual locations of the planets and stars. Each passing day expands western astrology's margin of error. Because of this we can usually find the astrological forecasts close to the "comics' section" in our daily newspaper.

3) A " Heliocentric " birth chart, is an astrological map of the solar system drawn (in real time) with the Sun at the center instead of the "Earth centered" or "geocentric" birth chart.

http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/astro.htg/astro.htm

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Bobby Brown And The Astrology of Neurodivergence

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:09:31 GMT

BOBBY BROWN AND THE ASTROLOGY OF NEURODIVERGENCE

Bobby Brown discussed about having learning and mood disorders his whole entire life. He was diagnosed as having ADHD in childhood. He was diagnosed as having Bipolar in 2001.

Bobby Brown:
“When I was younger, I was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder, so I know that bipolar and ADD is basically the same thing.”

“When I checked into Betty Ford I was wondering what was wrong with me. I was trying to figure out why was I going through these different changes. I mean, I could be happy one moment and then the next minute I’m like angry. Totally. Full of fire and rage. And I didn’t know what was wrong. I went to the doctor and they talked to me and they did all these tests on my brain and on my mental stability and they came up with the diagnosis that I’m bipolar.”
http://girlshrink.com/whitney-houston-and-bobby-brown-talk-bipolar-disorder/

I looked at the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates in his chart to check out his evolutionary intensified nature.

As evolutionary intensified objects, I believe that the energy of the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates involve lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.

They are highly metaphysical energies that involve insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of many others. These energies are about about going well beyond self and tapping into that mass consciousness. There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and affect people on a grand scale.

Their very distant location,their tendency to orbit off the ecliptic as well as some of them with highly elliptical orbits make them objects that are divergent from the planets. Therefore, people with strong transneptunian energies can be divergent from the norm. They can be quite the nonconformists. I suspect that these are the same people that can relate to personality types like Indigo,Crystal,Earth Angel,Lightworker too. The same energies could be prominent in people with neurodivergences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, Autistic Spectrum which have overlapping traits with serious psychiatric disorders like Bipolar and Schizophrenia.

Birthdata
Feb 5, 1969
5:21 AM
Boston, MA

Orbs
conjunction,opposition,trine,square - 3'00
sextile - 2'00
quincunx,semisextile,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile - 1'00
(I use the same orbs for Pluto)

Orcus
oppose Asc - 1'26
oaths,promises at odds with relating

Makemake
square Midheaven - '01
creativity,fertility,male reproductive energy in friction with aim of life

Sedna
square Mercury - 1'27
environmental awareness,care-taking for humanity,victimization in friction with mental activity

Haumea
biquintile Mercury - '28
quintile Mars - '04
5TH HARMONIC TRIANGLE
creativity,fertility,female reproduction in creative connection with mental activity and action

Ixion
quintile Asc - '04
human-ness,second chances in creative connection with relating

RIGHT ASCENSION

Pluto
oppose Venus - '38
trine Mercury - 1'43
POINT OF THALES
power,regeneration at odds with love and in harmony with mental activity

Eris
square Asc - 1'21
sextile Sun - '07
quincunx Mars - '27
diversity,equality in friction with relating, in support with self expression, in strain with action

Haumea
trine Asc - '07
creativity,fertility,female reproduction in harmony with relationships,environment

Orcus
oppose Asc - '33
trine Mars - '21
oaths,promises at odds with relationships,environment and in harmony with action

Makemake
biquintile Asc - '16
creativity,fertility in creative connection with relationships,environments

Sedna
semisextile Venus - '08
environmental awareness,care-taking for humanity,victimization in minor support with love

Main theme aspects
(transneptunian dwarf planets in Ptolemaic aspecting Sun,Moon,Asc,Midheaven within 1 degree with the exception of Sextile which gets 30 minutes)

Midheaven square Makemake - '01
Asc oppose Orcus - '33 in RA
Asc trine Haumea - '07 in RA
Sun sextile Eris - '07 in RA

Evolutionary intensified aim of life:
Midheaven square Makemake

Evolutionary intensified self expression:
Sun sextile Eris in RA

Evolutionary intensified thinker:
Mercury trine Pluto in RA
Mercury square Sedna
Mercury biquintile Haumea

Evolutionary intensified relating:
Orcus oppose Asc
Haumea trine Asc in RA
Ixion quintile Asc
Makemake biquintile Asc in RA

Evolutionary intensified actions:
Mars trine Orcus in RA
Mars quincunx Eris in RA
Mars quintile Haumea

Evolutionary intensified lover:
Venus oppose Pluto in RA
Venus semisextile Sedna in RA

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For or Against : The Zodiac Debate

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:44:29 GMT

For the Tropical Zodiac: David McCann

One topic that is sure to cause controversy amongst astrologers is that of whether the Tropical or Sidereal zodiac is most effective in practice. A recent forum debate revealed how passionately astrologers cling to alternate views. In 1997 the Traditional Astrologer magazine asked two expert astrologers to justify their own choice by reference to history, philosophical logic and the results of their own experience. Their responses have been reproduced here and allow us to consider the historical influences upon this 'astrological complication' in-depth.

This debate assumes a knowledge of the issues connected to precession. For a more detailed explanation of precession and the early refinement of zodiacal signs refer to the article Heavenly Imprints.

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For The Tropical Zodiac - David McCann

In recent years certain astrologers have made two assertions that I would like to examine and, hopefully, refute. The first is that ancient astrologers used a sidereal zodiac; the second is that this, if true, implies that we should adopt one. The best answer to the assertion that the ancient zodiac was sidereal is a question: which zodiac? The zodiac was involved in chronometry, astronomy, and divination. These make conflicting demands, for chronometry implies a tropical zodiac but astronomy a sidereal one! Reconstructing the history of the zodiac is not easy - only a fraction of ancient writings have survived and 90% of Mesopotamian texts still lie unpublished in museum basements - but the following account is probably not too far from the truth.

The desire to produce an accurate calendar was one of the earliest motives for studying the sky. Once agriculture started, particularly if it involved irrigation, a reliable calendar was needed to plan the activities of the farming year. The Greeks and Romans, with fairly useless calendars, continued to depend upon observing the heliacal risings and settings of stars:

But when beneath the skies on morning's brink
The Pleiads, Hyads, and Orion sink,
Know then the plough and seed-time near.
(Hesiod: Works and Davs, transl. Elton)

The more reliable calendars of the Near East were linked to the seasons and so agricultural operations could be regulated by the months. To do this it was necessary for the year to begin with the first lunation after a solstice or equinox, and so a constellation had to be identified which marked the 'cardinal point'. This was done at a very early date: both the Babylonians and Indians long preserved memory of the time when the spring equinox was marked by the Pleiades, around 3000 BC. The creation of a series of twelve constellations to match the twelve months naturally came later. If the cardinal signs were meant to locate the cardinal points, one would not expect to find the points at the beginnings of the signs but in the middle. The tradition that they fell at 15° was preserved by Eudoxus, although in his day they were actually at 8°. Extrapolating back from later figures, we can place the origin of the calendrical zodiac with the cardinal points in Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn to sometime after the 9th century BC.

To understand the role of the zodiac in early astronomy consider how one would set about measuring the position of a planet. Today we would use a telescope in an accurately-calibrated equatorial mounting to find the planet's altitude and azimuth (compass-bearing) and then, given the correct sidereal time, its latitude and longitude could be calculated. The ancient astronomer needed a simpler approach, and so measured the difference in co-ordinates between the planet and the closest known star. The Babylonians eventually developed a set of 31, (known today as the 'normal stars'), from which all observations were measured. The planetary observations given by Ptolemy in the Almagest were similarly located with respect to a few well-known stars. In his instructions for constructing a celestial globe, Ptolemy recommended that all longitudes should be measured from Sirius, so that it would not become out of date as a result of precession. The Babylonians established a standard set of 18 constellations along and around the ecliptic as early as the 2nd millennium. Those outside the zodiacal belt were useful for orientation: Perseus is far easier to recognise than Aries. These original constellations were not equal in size, and were presumably re-described when they were reduced to twelve and matched to the calendrical zodiac. Fixed stars continued to be used as reference points throughout the Middle Ages, and even Copernicus measured positions in a sidereal zodiac beginning from the fixed star Mesartim.

So which zodiac did the ancient astrologers consider themselves to be using, the tropical or the sidereal? The most probable answer is that they didn't know the difference. If we examine the surviving Greek and Roman writers on astronomy, we find that most showed no awareness of precession: Geminius, Cleomedes, Theon of Smyrna, Manilius, Vitruvius, Pliny, Columella, Censorius, Achilles Tatius, Chalcidius, Macrobius, and Martianus Capella. Some of these, (eg., Manilius, Pliny, Achilles), mentioned the various positions which had been given for the cardinal points in the astronomical zodiac, but regarded this variation as a dispute among astronomers - they showed no indication of realising that these were all correct positions, but at different dates. Most authors continued to place the cardinal points in 8° of the sidereal signs, the position correct for the 4th century BC when astrology was first disseminated in Greece. Only Hipparchus, Ptolemy, Theon of Alexandria, and Proclus were aware of precession, and Proclus didn't believe in it! Theon and Proclus also recorded the alternative theory of 'trepidation', later common among the Arabs and Indians: the idea that the cardinal points oscillated over an arc of 16°. When scholars like Pliny and Proclus were ignorant, is it likely that working astrologers were any better informed? How much astronomical knowledge does the average modern astrologer have? The practical effect of this confusion was of little real importance. During the Roman period, the few degrees error produced if the wrong zodiac were used would have no more effect on chart interpretation than the frequent errors of similar magnitude in calculating planetary longitudes.

Even if precession was of little consequence to Roman astrologers, it had been instrumental in the discovery of the astrological zodiac. Although the background of astrology is Mesopotamian, the concept of continuous influences rather than sporadic omens seems to belong to the world of Greek philosophy, and the numerical structure of the aspects suggests the influence of Pythagoras. He died about 500 BC and contacts between Greeks and Babylonians would have increased at this time, following the Persian conquest of the Ionian Greeks and the settlement of many Persians and Babylonians in that area. The oldest surviving horoscope, from Babylon, dates from 410 BC, so true astrology probably developed in the fifth century. At this time the cardinal points were around 9° in the sidereal signs. This means that sign positions in the tropical and sidereal zodiacs showed a 70% correspondence. Can it be a coincidence that meanings were not attributed to the zodiacal constellations before this period? It surely implies that the astrological zodiac is tropical and that it was discovered by chance as the two zodiacs came to coincide. By about 260 BC Aratus placed the cardinal points at 0° even though they actually fell at 7° in the sidereal signs: his zodiac was tropical, or rather, the astrological zodiac had taken its place alongside the astronomical one.

Just as precession revealed the existence of the astrological zodiac, so the failure to understand it could lead to it being lost again. As the sidereal and tropical zodiacs moved out of alignment, so the former lost astrological significance. In India the interpretative use of the sidereal signs survives only in the case of the ascendant: this, however, is not to delineate an ascendant based on a timed chart, but to choose the sign of the ascendant as the first stage of rectification. Modern Western siderealists, who in theory give the same meanings to the signs as the rest of us, in practice largely ignore them in delineation.

The view that if the Ancients had been siderealists we would have to follow suit, is difficult to understand. It seems to come from viewing ancient astrology as a closed system which sprung into existence fully-developed and which could never progress, only degenerate. But this view can only he held if we close our eyes to history. If we are to return to the 'Magi of Chaldea', then astrology as we know it must be abandoned: the Enuma Anu Enlil is not a book of astrology, but of celestial augury. To return to the Babylonians is to abandon the houses, the zodiac, all aspects other than the conjunction, the very horoscope itself. We could, of course, try to reconstruct the first system of true astrology, but we would soon find ourselves aiming at a moving target. Modern siderealists seem to be taking this approach when they adopt what they consider to have been the original zodiac and reject the interpretative rise of the houses, yet they still employ many techniques which were unknown to the first astrologers, such as returns and directions.

One does not need an uncritical belief in progress to accept that discoveries could be, and have been, made. Similarly, mistakes could be made. The Greeks, no doubt deriving the view from the Babylonian use of bodily conjunctions, believed that aspects should be measured from body to body and, in consequence, that two planets could not be in partile conjunction if they differed in latitude. Modern experience shows that Pluto makes conjunctions with 17° of latitude, when tradition would rule out even a platick aspect. Cyril Fagan, seeking a golden age of astrology among ancient priests, was as much mistaken as Gauquelin seeking it among future physicists. There is no golden age, with astral priests or natural scientists to solve our problems for us: only we astrologers, pursuing our art as best we can in the here and now.

The real question is not which zodiac the Ancients used, or thought they used, but which works. Does the sidereal zodiac work? Move your ascendant and lights back 25° and then draw your own conclusions. As I observed above, all astrologers use the same meanings for the signs, despite assertions to the contrary by some siderealists. All describe Scorpio as intense, wilful and determined, yet most of our Scorpios are classed as Librans by the siderealists! Either they spend too much time talking about astrology and not enough time doing it, or they just lack any understanding of human nature. Either way, I find it impossible to take them seriously.

David McCann, who lives in London, is an expert on the history and philosophy of astrology. His articles have been published in many international journals of astrology and he was a regular contributor to the Traditional Astrologer magazine, where this article first appeared.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sidereal.html

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Insight About the Sidereal and Tropical Zodiacs

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:20:01 GMT

INSIGHT ABOUT THE SIDEREAL ZODIAC AND TROPICAL ZODIAC

I was so interested in finding the truth about the zodiac. I ended up getting Cyril Fagan's Sidereal Astrology books.
I have been reading PRIMER OF SIDEREAL ASTROLOGY.
I read the following:

Page 19 of PRIMER OF SIDEREAL ASTROLOGY
"Notwithstanding the reforms of Julius Caesar in 45 B.C. and Pope Gregory XII in the year 1582 A.D., our calendar remains a clumsy and anachronistic contraption, having no place in this modern world. It is, if fact, another variation of the tropical zodiac--the zodiacal signs being months of unequal length. In its ideal prototype this tropical calendar commenced at "Spring Day," with the vernal equinox fixed on March 1, the first day of the year, with leap-year day, when it occured, being placed at the end of February, the last day of the year. But today we find the calendar so much out of gear with its prototype that the year commences on January 1. Leap-year day is stuck at the end of the second month and the vernal equinox point is fixed on March 21. All this, in the light of astronomy, is absurd, and it occasions many unnecessary complications in computations. If error is to be avoided, it is advisable for the modern astrologer to abandon the Gregorian calendar and commence the year again with March 1 and then reckon all dates, not in terms of months, but as days of the year commencing with March 1. The following table will enable the reader to effect the change at sight."

The Astronomical Year

March 0 = 0
April 0 = 31
May 0 = 61
June 0 = 92
July 0 = 122
August 0 = 153
September 0 = 184
October 0 = 214
November 0 = 245
December 0 = 245
January 0 = 306
February 0 = 337

From page 10 of PRIMER OF SIDEREAL ASTROLOGY
"Towards the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries, a great collection of Babylonian cuneiform tablets was excavated from the magnificent astrological library of Ashur-bani-pal (668-626 B.C.) at Nineveh, while many more were found elsewhere in Mesopotamia. These included observation tablets, prediction tablets, lunar tablets, Jupiter tablets, fixed star tablets, Babylonian almanacs, Babylonian ephemerides, and the like, many of them going back to the third millenia B.C These were critically examined by such internationally known scholars and scientists as Epping, Kugler, Weidner, Schaumberger, Rehm, Schoch, Neugebauer, Sachs, Van der Waerden and many others. Indeed, the literature on this subject is considerable and can only be lightly touched upon here. They discovered that the longitudes as given in these tablets were not reckoned from the equinoxes and solstices. In other words, they were not tropical, but were reckoned from the fixed stars.

Therefore, the zodiac of the ancient Babylonians, and also that of the Egyptians--for the Demotic Stabart Tables and the Berlin Papyrus P8279 fall into the same category--were essentially sidereal, or "starry" which means that the zodiac was reckoned from the fixed stars and not from the ever-shifting equinoctial points. When all longitudes were reduced to the epoch 101 B.C (-100 B.C), it was found that mean ayamansa or difference in longitude between the modern tropical and sidereal zodiacs was, for the epoch, 4.3, the standard error of a single observation being 0.6. But with the subsequent discovery of more material, this error has been much reduced. This proves that the Egyptians and Babylonians measured their longitudes from the Pleiades in 5 Taurus, Aldebaran in 15 Taurus, Regulus in 5 Leo, Spica in 29 Virgo, and Antates in 15 Scorpio, such marking stars being known as "fiducials."

"Astronomers are high in their praise of the astonishing accuracy of the Babylonian tablets and computations."

""I can say of the Babylonians, who were persistent observers of the crescent during 3,000 years, that not only their observations, but also their computations for ephemerides are admirable." (Carl Schoch, Venus Tablets of Ammizaduga)""

From page 4 of PRIMER OF SIDEREAL ASTROLOGY
"About January 14 (the date advances one full day in 72 years), the Sun is in ecliptic conjunction with its own apex, and simultaneously it enters the constellation Capricorn. Known as the Capsolar, this is the master and most important ingress in the year. This when Earth is heliocentrically in 0 Cancer. But as the apex does not lie in the plane of the ecliptic (it is 58'04' north of it), the sun, Earth and apex can never be in alignment. In other words, the sun can never "eclipse" the apex. The date on which the sun is ecliptically in conjunction with the antapex is July 16. At this juncture the point is diametrically in opposition to the apex, and heliocentrically the Earth is in ecliptic conjunction with the apex. Simultaneously the Sun enters the constellation Cancer--this is known as the Cansolar ingress. The inference there is that the ecliptic longitudes of the solar apex determined 0 Capricorn (of the original Egypto-Babylonian zodiac), and the rest of the zodiacal constellations, each rigorously 30 degrees in extent, were reckoned from this point, thus placing to all intents and purposes permanently the Pleiades in 5 Taurus, Aldebaran in 15 Taurus, Regulus in 5 Leo, Spica in 29 Virgo and Antares in 15 Scorpio."

"Incidentally it should be borne in mind that the ancient Egyptian and Babylonian zodiacal constellations were always exactly 30 degrees in length. This is proved from monumental records, Babylonian almanacs, lunar and star tables, and Egyptian and Babylonian ephemerides. When Cleostratus of Tenedos imported the zodiac into Greece in the middle of the 6th century B.C., he evidently tried to make the zodiacal symbols conform to the patterns in the sky by the groupings of the fixed stars, thereby causing some of the zodiacal constellations to have fewwer than 30 degrees and others more than 30 degrees, i.e., Cancer and Leo, but the Egyptians never made this mistake. To them the zodiacal symbols were only heiroglyphic ideograms, and homonyms or rebuses were often substituted for them."

"Thus the symbol of the "lion" was only a rebus for a "sickle," both having phonetically the same sound, the sickle being apparently the original symbol for the constellation Leo. During different dynastic periods, varying zodiacal symbols appear. Thus the "two turtles" and "scarabaeus" symbolised Cancer; the "serpent," Scorpio; the "sun on the eastern horizon," Libra; "fleece," Aries; and a "phallus," Taurus. Leo was also often symbolised by a "knife," as was the planet Mars."

Page 15 of PRIMER OF SIDEREAL ASTROLOGY
"The vast majority of horoscopes calculated in the Western world are in terms of the modern version of the tropical zodiac. Hipparchus, when compiling his star catologue, plotted the positions of the fixed stars from the equinoctial and solstitial points for the year 139 B.C. approximately, and Posidonius apparently improved on this idea by making the zodiac as a whole commence with the vernal point fixed in 0 Aries. This, then, was the birth of the modern version of the tropical zodiac. Before Hipparchus' time it had no existence, and it was entirely a Greek innovation."

"As already pointed out, at the time Tetrabiblos was written the vernal point had retrograde to the beginning of the ancient Egypto-Babylonian fixed zodiac, so Claudius Ptolemy, very naturally and quite correctly for the time in which he lived, i.e. the 2nd century A.D., stated that the zodiac commenced with the equinoctial point. Unfortunately, his followers and translators, not understanding the real situation, took Ptolemy's statement on its face value and they thus caused Posidonius' tropical zodiac to become the more popular."

I am getting the impression that the Babylonians and Egyptians used a Sidereal Zodiac. It was passed down to the Greeks, and a Greek started fudging with it which led to coming up with Ophiuchus constellation even though Babylonians always used 12 zodiac constellations. Hipparchus plotted the equinoctial and solstitial points, and Posidonius made the zodiac as a whole commence with the vernal equinox fixed in 0 Aries. Ptolemy written his book, Tetrabiblos when the Vernal equinox retrograded into beginning of Aries. He was correct at the time, but his followers and translators adopted Posidonius zodiac. Instead of the Sidereal Zodiac that the Babylonians and Egyptians used, we ended up getting the Tropical Zodiac invented by the Greeks.

The Tropical Zodiac is thought actually be a season calendar, but the Romans and Roman Catholic Pope made adjustments to the Gregory calendar.

Maybe we can resolve the conflict between the Sidereal Zodiac and Tropical Zodiac by giving one zodiac different names. Because the Greeks were responsible for the Tropical Zodiac, then let the Tropical Zodiac names stay the same any way. They are all Grecian-Roman names any way. Just give Babylonian or Egyptians names to the Sidereal Zodiac signs.

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Chiron in the 1st house

Clover — Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:34:55 GMT

My Chiron is in the first house conjunct my Gemini asc., and I have not been able to feel or read about what kind of influence this might have on my throughout my life and personality. I was hopeing a few of you might have some words about it, or even what chiron represents, exactly.
I love you all, thank you!

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Why I Related To My Tropical Zodiac Chart

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:50:38 GMT

WHY I RELATED TO MY TROPICAL ZODIAC CHART

I was checking out my chart and seeing why I could relate to my tropical zodiac sign placements that has nothing to do with the Forer Effect which I take very seriously in Astrology. When I first read my first Astrological natal report, I read it to my mother to read because to confirm what I read. She confirmed that it was me. I didn't take Astrology seriously until I found about moonsigns. I always found the newspaper horoscopes to be amusing but not something to take seriously.

The following are my tropical zodiac and sidereal zodiac placements and configurations that got me to relate to tropical zodiac placements which dismisses any Forer Effect. This is what Sidereal Astrologers may point to me if I told them I can relate to my tropical zodiac chart.

SUN IN TROPICAL SCORPIO ( SIDEREAL LIBRA)
Sun conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet Ixion - '05 (in regards to intense self expression)

Sun conjunct South transneptunian dwarf planet Eris Node - '10 (in regards to intense self expression)

Sun conjunct Jupiter/Pluto midpoint - '46 (in regards to intense self expression) - Pluto is ruler of Scorpio

Sun square Pluto/Midheaven midpoint - '42 (in regards to intense self expression) - Pluto is ruler of Scorpio

Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint - '14 (in regards to intense and passionate self expression) - from a Golden Section Triangle - Mars and Pluto are co-rulers of Scorpio

Sun contraparallel transneptunian dwarf planet Orcus - '01 in Declination (in regards to intense self expression)

Sun conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet Quaoar - 1'47 in Right Ascension (in regards to intense self expression)

Sun oppose transneptunian dwarf planet Sedna - '44 in Right Ascension (in regards to intense self expression)

Sun conjunct Neptune/Pluto - '33 in Right Ascension (in regards to sensitive,intense self expression) - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

Sun trine Mars - 4'01 in Right Ascension (in regards to passionate self expression) - Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio

Sun quincunx transneptunian dwarf planet Varuna - '04 in Right Acension (in regards to intense self expression)

Sun 34'24 Golden Section Pluto - '05 (in regards to intense self expression) - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

Sun 115'15 Golden Section Mars - '41 (in regards to passionate self expression) - Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio

MOON IN PISCES (SIDEREAL AQUARIUS)
Moon square Neptune - 1'22 (in regards to sensitive, idealistic feelings) - Neptune is modern ruler of Pisces

Moon square Jupiter - 5'02, 2'12 in Right Ascension (in regards to expansive,idealistic feelings) - Jupiter is modern ruler of Pisces

Moon trine transneptunian dwarf planet Quaoar - '50 (in regards to deep feelings)

Moon trine transneptunian dwarf planet Ixion - 2'15 (in regards to deep feelings)

Moon square transneptunian dwarf planet Varuna - '10 (in regards to deep feelings)

Moon sextile transneptunian dwarf planet Sedna - 1'06 , '39 in Right Ascension (in regards to deep feelings)

Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint - '17 (in regards to sensitive,idealistic feelings that can be depressive) from t-square of Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition - Neptune is modern ruler of Pisces

Moon oppose Neptune/Midheaven midpoint - '27 in Right Ascension (in regards to sensitive,idealistic feelings) - Neptune is modern ruler of Pisces

ASCENDANT IN TROPICAL VIRGO (SIDEREAL LEO)
Ascendant sextile Mercury - '47 in Right Ascension (in regards to mental-oriented relating with others, Mercury rules Virgo)

Uranus conjunct Mercury/Ascendant - '48 (in regards to mental-oriented relating with others) from Uranus,Mercury,Ascendant in 11th Harmonic aspec to each other

Ascendant parallel Chiron - '20 (in regards to healing-oriented and inadequate relating with others,some astrologers believe Chiron rules Virgo)

Ascendant contraparallel Hygeia - '20 (in regards to health-oriented relating with others, Hygeia is named after the Greek Goddess of Health)

MIDHEAVEN IN GEMINI (SIDEREAL TAURUS)
Uranus semisquare Mercury/Midheaven - '30 (mental orientation in regards to aim of life)

Midheaven trine Uranus - 4'04 aka 124'22 Golden Section aspect - '18 (in regards to mental orientation in regards to aim of life)

Midheaven oppose Geocentric South Uranus Node - '50 (in regards to mental orientation in regards to aim of life)

MERCURY IN SCORPIO (SIDEREAL LIBRA)
Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune - '14 (in regards to sensitive thinking)

Mercury square Mars/Node - '23 (in regards to passionate thinking) - Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio

Mars semisquare Moon/Mercury - '08 (in regards emotional,passionate thinking) - Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio

Mars oppose Mercury/Saturn - '50 (in regards to passionate thinking) - from 11th harmonic triangle - Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio

Mars square Mercury/Neptune - '50 (in regards to passion,sensitive thinking) - Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio

Mercury square transneptuniand dwarf planet Makemake - 2'01 (in regards to intense thinking)

Mercury biquintile transneptunian dwarf planet Eris - '05 (in regards to intense thinking)

Mercury sextile Geocentric South Pluto Node - '02 (in regards to intense thinking) - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

Mercury 47'30 Golden Section Aspect Pluto - '00 (in regards to intense thinking) - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

VENUS IN TROPICAL SCORPIO (SIDEREAL LIBRA)
Venus square Mars - 4'05 (in regards to passionate loving) - Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio

Venus trine transneptunian dwarf planet Orcus - '41 (in regards to deep loving)

Venus trine Geocentric North Pluto Node - '31 (in regards to deep loving) - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

Venus square Moon/Node - '11 (in regards to emoitonal loving

Pluto square Venus/Node - '02 (in regards to intense loving) - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

Midheaven semisquare Venus/Pluto - '05 (in regards to intense loving) - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

Neptune square Venus/Midheaven - '17 (in regards to sensitive loving)

Mars square Venus/Neptune - '53 (in regards to sensitive and passionate loving)

Venus quincunx transneptunian dwarf planet Eris - '11 in Right Ascension (in regards to intense loving)

Venus sextile transneptunian dwarf planet Haumea - '52 in Right Ascension (in regards to intense loving)

Venus 42'29 Golden Section Aspect Pluto - '16 in Right Ascension (in regards to intense loving) - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

MARS IN TROPICAL AQUARIUS (SIDEREAL AQUARIUS)
same sign - no conflict

JUPITER IN SAGITTARIUS (SIDEREAL SCORPIO)
Jupiter trine Chiron - 2'15 (in regards to the teaching emphasis of expansion, Chiron is named after a mythical centaur, Sagittarius zodiac sign is a centaur)

SATURN IN TROPICAL GEMINI (TROPICAL TAURUS)
Mercury sextile Geocentric South Saturn Node - '20 (in regards to structured thinking) - Mercury is ruler of Gemini

Mars square Mercury/Saturn midpoint - '50 (in regards to structured thinking) - it's from an 11th Harmonic Triangle - Mercury is ruler of Gemini

I didn't bother with the outer planets because they are generational. It is hard to really relate to the sign placements of the outerplanets.

There were certain things in my chart that can help me relate to Sidereal Zodiac chart which got me looking into it and taking it seriously. I actually studied Vedic Astrology for a year, and Vedic Astrology uses Sidereal Zodiac signs.
These are things that Tropical Astrologers would point to me if I told them I can relate to my Sidereal Zodiac chart.

SUN IN SIDEREAL LIBRA
Venus conjunct Sun/Jupiter - '01 - Venus is ruler of Libra

MOON IN SIDEREAL AQUARIUS
Moon in alignment with Alpha Aquarius Star Sadalmelik
(also in paran)

Moon square Saturn - 1'58 , '48 in Right Ascension - Saturn is traditional ruler of Aquarius

Moon 137'30 Golden Section Aspect Uranus - '33 - Uranus is modern ruler of Aquarius

MERCURY IN SIDEREAL LIBRA
Mercury in alignment with Beta Libra Star Zuben Elschamali

Mercury conjunct Venus - 3'26 - Venus is ruler of Libra

Mercury parallel Venus - '13 - Venus is ruler of Libra

Mercury sextile Geocentric North Venus Node - '33 - Venus is ruler of Libra

VENUS IN SIDEREAL LIBRA

Venus in paran with Beta Libra Star Zuben Elschamali

Venus conjunct Geocentric South Venus Node - '45 - Venus is ruler of Libra

MARS IN SIDEREAL AQUARIUS
(it was in tropical Aquarius,and so no conflict)
Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn - '13 because of 11th Harmonic triangle - Saturn and Uranus are co-rulers of Aquarius

Sun semisquare Mars/Uranus - '15 - Uranus is modern ruler of Aquarius

JUPITER IN SIDEREAL SCORPIO

Sun conjunct Jupiter/Pluto - '46 - Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio

SATURN IN SIDEREAL TAURUS

Venus contraparallel Saturn - '52 - Venus is ruler of Taurus

What Zodiac is right? Tropical Zodiac or Sidereal Zodiac?
Well.....I have no answer to that because the question is relative, and so the answer is relative. I prefer to work with the Sidereal Zodiac because that is the Zodiac of the Babylonians and Egyptians.

Declination is used by Cosmobiologists,Magi Astrologers, Clairvision Astrologers,and many Mainstream Astrologers

Right Ascension is used by Clairvision Astrologers

Midpoints are used by Uranian Astrologers, Cosmobiologists, Magi Astrologers, and many Mainstream Astrologers that mix them up with their Zodiac/House System Astrology like Noel Tyl.

Geocentric Planetary Nodes are/were used by Theodor Landscheidt, Zipporah Dobyns, and Jeffrey Wolf Green and his Evolutionary Astrological followers.

Golden Section Aspects were used by Theodor Landscheidt.
Theodor Landscheidt pioneered the use of Geocentric Planetary Nodes and Golden Section Aspects. He supported Cosmobiology but not Traditional Astrology.
I find it interesting that my Midheaven aspect to both Geocentric South Uranus Node and in Golden Section aspect to Uranus and that my Mercury aspect to both Geocentric South Pluto and in Golden Section aspect to Pluto. It is probably what reflected my strong interest in Golden Section Aspects in Astrology.

What I found when studying Golden Section Aspects in Astrology.
Theodor Landscheidt was on to something.
3 points in Golden Section Aspect to each other can form a triangle with a corresponding midpoint picture. This shows that Golden Section aspects share an unknown harmonic. This is true in my case with my Sun,Mars,Pluto Golden Section Triangle having a corresponding midpoint picture of Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint.

GOLDEN SECTION ASPECTS

21'15

34'24

42'29

47'30

55'36

68'48

111'15

124'22

132'29

137'30

145'37

158'45

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My Changed Views About Astrology

Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:06:20 GMT

MY CHANGED VIEWS ABOUT ASTROLOGY

The past few days, my beliefs have been changing. I feel like my long time beliefs have been challenged and leading to me to be shook up and confused. This has to do with Astrology. Of course, this has been going on for awhile. I abandoned the tropical zodiac and house systems to only return to it because it was very familiar. It was a habit.

I have lost all belief in the Tropical Zodiac, understanding that the Babylonians used a Sidereal Zodiac and not a Tropical Zodiac which Mainstream Astrologers use and that the 2 zodiacs were aligned back in 221 AD. It was the Greeks that made changes and ignored precession of the Equinoxes. I always had problems with that whole "it's based on the seasons" explanation. It doesn't consider the Southern Hemisphere. These Greek astrologers didn't bother considering that there are people live in the Southern Hemisphere. They obviously didn't know about the Southern Hemisphere. They figured that their Zodiac would apply to everybody on the planet. I have problems with the mainstream house systems because they are so inconsistent and don't work in the polar regions. They didn't consider about people living in the high latitude areas because of the focus populations in the low latitudes.

I considered Sidereal Zodiac, but that doesn't make sense to me either. Like the Tropical Zodiac, the Sidereal Zodiac has 12 equal signs. It is different from the Constellation Zodiac. My Sun is in Tropical Scorpio and Sidereal Libra, but it is not in the Libra constellation. It happens to be in the Virgo constellation. I was born on the 2nd to the last day of Sun in Virgo before entering Libra. How can I actually agree with the Sidereal Astrologers telling me to look up in the sky and see that my Sun is in Libra when it really is in Virgo? I have a problem with the Western Sidereal Astrology's main house system, Campanus because it doesn't work well with high latitude charts, and that is not just the polar region charts. You would think that an astrological system that focuses on an astronomically correct zodiac would also focus on an astronomically correct house system.

I also have certain placements in Ophiuchus which the Sidereal Astrologers disregard because it will mess up their 12 Sign system. I have a conjunction of Imum Coeli in 11'14 Sagittarius (domestic environment,roots,family) and Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius (expansion,judgment,beliefs) in Ophiuchus. The asteroid, Aesculapia in 12'36 Sagittarius is also in Ophiuchus conjunct my Imum Coeli and square my Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces. I have a strong Aesculapia energy. It is also trine my Eris which can indicate my not going with the status quo and being controversial with the Asclepius-Ophiuchus themes. Interestingly, Aesculapia is also conjunct Apollo in 13'10 Sagittarius. Apollo was said to be the father of Asclepius. The constellation, Ophiuchus was supposed to be named in honor of Asclepius who was known to the Romans as Aesculapius. It is believed that Asclepius was actually Imhotep who was a famous healer in Egypt. In my Heliocentric chart, I have Asclepius in 14'41 Sagittarius conjunct Venus in 14'36 Sagittarius,Jupiter in 14'07,and Mercury in 17'02 Sagittarius. It's like I am supposed to value and believe in Asclepius-Ophiuchus themes as part of my higher purpose. Of course, the Mercury-Venus-Jupiter-Asclepius conjunction is in the Ophiuchus constellation!

Looking at the Nodes of the minor planets also makes sense
I was born during Sun-Earth-Imhotep Node-Eris Node-Apollo Node-Hermes Node-Themis Node alignment

Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
conjunct Geocentric South Imhotep Node in 5'24 Scorpio
conjunct Geocentric South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio
conjunct Geocentric South Apollo Node in 5'37 Scorpio
conjunct Geocentric South Hermes Node in 5'07 Scorpio
conjunct Geocentric South Themis Node in 5'44 Scorpio
oppose Geocentric North Imhotep Node in 5'29 Taurus
oppose Geocentric South Themis Node in 6'07 Taurus

Earth in 5'20 Taurus
conjunct/oppose Imhotep Nodes in 5'26 Taurus/Scorpio
conjunct/oppose Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio
conjunct/oppose Apollo Nodes in 5'52 Taurus/Scorpio
conjunct/oppose Themis Nodes in 5'52 Taurus/Scorpio

The Sun-South Imhotep Node-Eris Node-Apollo Node-Hermes Node-Themis Node conjunction is in the Virgo constellation.
This makes perfect sense. I don't fit neatly in the Sidereal Zodiac system, and so I would be controversial (Eris Nodes) and not go with the status the quo (Eris Nodes), pointing out the issue that my Sun is in Virgo constellation and not the Libra constellation because the Sidereal Zodiac is not the actual constellation zodiac. I could express the truth that there are 13 zodiac signs that include Ophiuchus (Imhotep Nodes) named for Asclepius, the son of Apollo (Apollo Nodes). I could be the messenger (Hermes Nodes) that helps bring light (Apollo Nodes) in that regard. I could point to the natural order of things (Themis Nodes).
My Sun is in opposition to Aletheia in 4'42 Taurus R, and my Earth is conjunct Aletheia in 4'53 Taurus. Therefore, I have a Sun-Earth-Aletheia alignment. Aletheia is the asteroid named after the Greek Goddess of truth. Truth is part of my main higher purpose. I also have Veritas in 3'51 Cancer, and so that trines my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio and Moon in 3'11 Pisces and oppose my Sun/Moon midpoint in 4'16 Capricorn. Veritas is the asteroid named after the Roman Goddess of Truth.

My Mercury in 17'02 Sagittarius, Venus in 14'06 Sagittarius, Jupiter in 14'36 Sagittarius conjunct collective energy points in the Ophiuchus
Mercury Perihelion in 16'50 Sagittarius
South Venus Node in 16'25 Sagittarius
South Uranus Node in 13'52 Sagittarius
This indicates communications,values,beliefs are in connection to collective communications,values,and change. This could be about Ophiuchus. My Mercury-Venus-Jupiter is opposite Veritas in 17'06, and so truth is part of it. My Mercury-Venus-Jupiter trine Hermes in 15'48 Aries which indicates that I am a messenger. As I pointed out before, I have a conjunction of Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Asclepius in Sagittarius in Ophiuchus.
My Mercury in 17'02 is also conjunct the Heliocentric South Babylon Node in 17'04 Sagittarius, and so communications involve collective Babylonian past. My Mercury-Veritas opposition is aligned with the Heliocentric Babylon Nodes which points to my concern about the truth about Babylon.

It all adds up to being an astrologer that rejects both the Tropical Zodiac and Sidereal Zodiac to work with the unequal 13 Zodiac system that includes Ophiuchus.

There is more.

My Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius
conjunct Geocentric South Babylon Node in 8'53 Sagittarius
oppose Babylon in 8'14 Gemini R
oppose Hipparchus in 7'49 Gemini R
This appoints to reasessing my belief systems about the tropical zodiac system because it is at odds with what the Babylonians practiced. The opposition is squaring my East Point/West Point in 8'00 Virgo/Pisces which is an auxilliary Ascendant/Descendant, and so these themes are strong for me.

Heliocentric Hipparchus Nodes in 19'10 Aquarius/Leo
square Geocentric Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
thinking in regards to the Tropical Zodiac

Ptolemy did have an influence on me that cannot be denied.

Heliocentric Ptolemaeus Nodes in 10'40 Leo/Aquarius
oppose Lunar Nodes in 10'00 Aquarius/Leo
trine/sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

Geocentric South Ptolemaeus Node in 12'13 Capricorn
square Geocentric South Kepler Node in 12'53 Libra
square Eris in 12'15
suggest being controversial, going against the status quo in regards to the past about Ptolemy in regards to Tropical Zodiac Astrology as well as giving up the use of the tropical zodiac system and houses just like Johannes Kepler did

Ptolemaeus in 29'48 Leo
square Urania in 0'03 Gemini
This indicates conflict about Astrology in regards to Ptolemy in regards to Tropical Zodiac Astrology

Kepler in 0'28 Libra
conjunct Pluto in 0'51
trine Urania in 0'03 Gemini R
This indicates transforming the way I do Astrology and being like Johannes Kepler with his view of tropical zodiac system and house systems

Geocentric South Astronomia Node in 13'16 Sagittarius
conjunct Aesculapia in 12'36 Sagittarius
(the conjunction is in Ophiuchus constellation)
square Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo Pisces
This could indicate that I have karmic astronomical past involving Asclepius/Ophiuchus

I am a believer in tolerance of diversity which I believe is something is my greatest lesson with my highly evolutionary intensified collective Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment, and so I will not claim that any system is right or wrong. I just don't believe in Tropical Zodiac Astrology which stems from the Greeks including especially Hipparchus and Ptolemy because they changed what the Babylonians and Egyptians practiced. This fits perfectly with my Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment and Sun-Earth-Imhotep Node alignment. The latter is not only the connection to Ophiuchus but also the Egyptians for Imhotep was an Egyptian. I can't practice Tropical Zodiac Astrology with a conscience. I can't do the same for Sidereal Zodiac either. The Sidereal Astrologers leave out Ophiuchus and ignore the unequal 13 Zodiac sign fact, and that makes no sense for an astrological system that is supposed to be star-based. My Virgo constellation Sun and my Ophiuchus Jupiter-Imum Coeli conjunction does matter even though they don't think so. My Heliocentric Ophiuchus constellation Mercury-Venus-Jupiter conjunction matters too. I am convinced without a doubt that I am meant to practice a 13 Zodiac sign system that doesn't use houses,and I will do that.

I want to embrace my constellation Aquarius Moon which is in alignment with Alpha Aquarius star, Sadalmelik and my constellation Libra Mercury which is in alignment with Beta Libra star, Zubenelschamali. How can I view myself having Moon in Pisces (Tropical Zodiac) with my Moon having such a strong Aquarius constellation influence? How can I view myself having a Geocentric Mercury in Scorpio (Tropical Zodiac) with my Mercury having such a strong Libra constellation influence. I just can't. I can't just say that my Moon is in Pisces in alignment with Alpha Aquarius star, and I can't just say that my Mercury is in Scorpio star in alignment with Beta Libra star. I need to embrace who I really am.

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Very confusing planets

Tina — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:51:17 GMT

Hi all,
My date of birth is Aug 7 in 1983, mumbai, 7.30 AM

My Venus is in leo in ascendant and is retrograde and vargottam! I want to know how do we see the effect of Venus in this case - being the lord of 10th.

Venus and mercury are conjunct and both vargottam. My mars is debilitated but Vargottam !!?

My jupiter is situated in 4th house and I have heard that although it will not give results for the fourth house, its aspects to other houses will always be good (no matter even if it is lord of 8th house) because it is a beneficial planet. I want to know if this is what you would believe as well?
Please advise.

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How To Start A Fistfight Among Astrologers

Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:57:26 GMT

This is the following from page 230 - 232 of ASTROLOGICKAL MAGICK by Estelle Daniels

HOW TO START A FISTFIGHT AMONG ASTROLOGERS

There are many ways. There are quite a few topics in astrology which have many "answers," many ways of achieving various ends. There are no absolute correct answers, you can achieve your endpoint by various means. Anyhow some topics certain to cause controversy are:

House systems--which is the best (there are about 20);

Orbs allowed for aspects (from 0 to 17 degrees);

What gemstones signify what in the breastplate of the High Priest of Israel (where are all birthstone correspondences are said to come from);

What planets (and/or asteroids) are vital for chart interpretation;

Midpoints--whether or not to use them;

Why and how exactly astrology works;

What is an absolute indicator of "true love" between two charts;

Which aspects are required for optimal chart interpretation;

Hypothetical planets (there are lots out there--maybe);

Whether computer calculated chart intepretations have "soul";

What is the correct astrological chart for the United States;

When will the Age of Aquarius begin, exactly.

If you find yourself at a dull party and know there are several astrologers present, one way to liven up things is loudy state, "Placidus is the only house system valid for natal astrology." Or "Five degrees is the absolute orb I allow for a square." Equal House is just for lazy people who don't want to calculate cusps." "The Ancients only used seven planets and nobody needs any more." "I don't care how accurate computer are, any astrologer who cannot hand-calculate charts is no real astrologer."

You then step back and watch the arguments. If you are lucky, violence may break out! There are hot topics, astrologically and astrologers have cherished opinions on these subjects (or should--if they don't, they are just amateurs dabbling in a topic which beyond their comprehension--another inflammatory statement). Just be sure nobody is able to pinpoint you as the original instigator and don't tell anyone where you got the idea in the first place.

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Astrology and Culture

Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:29:05 GMT

Astrology and Culture

A few days ago, I came across a website and thread that was very interesting. It
raised some interesting points about Modern Astrology being a bit Eurocentric. A
lot of it originated from the Greeks and the planets named after the Roman
deities. These people seem to believe that Astrology originated in Africa. I am
not into the Afrocentric stuff myself, but I am open to different ways of
looking at things. The whole Dogon people and their advanced knowledge of
Astrology are very interesting. The people in the site believe that Vedic
Astrology actually was brought from the Africans. They were referring to them as
the Dravidians. Some of the stuff that I read comes off prejudiced against
people of European ancestry,and that bugs me a little. I like seeing that there
are some people of African ancestry that are into Astrology.

I have been thinking a lot about the zodiacs and thinking how the Babylonians
were using a Sidereal Zodiac, but the Greeks were using a Tropical Zodiac. Of
course, the Indians use the Sidereal Zodiac. They seem to be influenced by the
Greeks. The terms, trikona for the trine houses and kendra for the angle houses
are Greek terms.

I wonder if Western Astrology works because we're greatly influenced by Western
Culture.

Somebody asked a question which got me thinking.

"I read in brother John G. Jackson's, "Introduction to African Civilizations"
that Kemet had definite astrological signs/symbols that pre-dates the greek ones
so in use today. . . . .
Knowing that imagery shapes thought and thought shapes behavior, can it be That
Africans (globally) that are unaware of our historical perspective in this
regard are actually acting outside of their true astrological natures?"

As a person who is a little over 50 percent SubSaharan African, I wonder myself.
If I was living in Africa would I relate more to an African Astrological zodiac
chart than a Western Astrological zodiac chart?

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/open-forum/8611-kemetic-astrology.html

The 12 signs of the Kemetic Astrological Zodiac:
Cat
Jackal
Serpent
Scarab
Ass
Lion
Goat
Cow
Falcon
Baboon
Ibis
Crocodile

There is also the Egyptian Zodiac. Well..it seems that were 2 Egyptian Zodiacs.
There is the Pharaoh's Egyptian Zodiac and the Traditional Egyptian Zodiac.
The former zodiac seems like it was influenced by the Greeks.

Being born on October 29th, and so I have Sun in Scorpio. My exgf Meghann and
best friend Steve were born on March 30th, and so they have Sun in Aries.
Supposedly, our sunsigns would be incompatible because they do not have
gender,element,nor mode in common. They do share Mars as traditional ruler of
Scorpio, but there are lot of astrologers would say that Pluto is the sole ruler
of Scorpio. Of course, there are some astrologers that believe that Pluto rules
Aries. Of course, there are astrologers that believe that both Mars and Pluto
rule Scorpio. It turns out that Steve,Meghann,and I have Sun in Isis in the
Traditional Egyptian Zodiac.

ISIS (MAR 11 - 31, OCT 18 - 29, DEC 19 - 31)
Wife of Osiris and symbol of motherly love. People born under this sign are
ruled by love. They are lucky, ambitious and energetic. They are prone to
restlessness and need change. Compatible with Osiris and Thoth.

In the Pharaoh's Egyptian Zodiac , Steve and Meghann have Osiris as sunsign
OSIRIS (MAR 27 - APR 25)
Osiris is the god of the underworld. Those born under this sign are full of
emotional paradox and are misunderstood by others because of it. They are
enterprising but shy away from responsibility.

In the Pharaoh's Egyptian Zodiac, I have Wadget as sunsign
WADGET (OCT 28 - NOV 26)
Wadget is the goddess of the royal cobra. Those born under this sign are
rational, cautious, conscientious, opinionated, and have a tendency towards
pessimism and suspicion.

It's interesting that my tropical Zodiac sunsign is very different from Steven
and Meghann's Tropical Zodiac sunsign but have the same sunsign in the
Traditional Egyptian Zodiac.

I am not sure about the Egyptian Zodiac being valid. I definitely don't want to
fall in the Neptune delusion of believing in Egyptian Zodiac. There is the Forer
Effect that I need to avoid.

http://www.experience-ancient-egypt.com/egyptian-zodiac-signs.html

Compatibility seems very relative depending on the zodiac system which is linked
to culture.

I met a Native American that practices Aztec Astrology,and he doesn't believe
that the Tropical Zodiac is valid either.

Of course, many Vedic Astrologers don't believe in the validity of the Tropical
Zodiac.

I really think that it all comes down to cultural influences, and I believe that
they are definitely connected to belief systems.

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