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Part of Fortune says what??

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This is said to be, a point (Arabic part) where is as told, a most important part/point in ones natal chart.
Forgive me if you have to re-read that a few times.. this is exactly why I'm posting this topic. I really dont "get it". Is it really the pot of gold?
Like the name of this Arabic part, the Part of Fortune is said placed where you are to be most fortunate as I gather from my readings.
However, there are very few books out there about the part of fortune, which is a bummer.
In my own chart, I have Vertex /Part of Fortune conjunct & Conjunct my North node, which is all conjunct my Moon.

So are my expressions, my riches? Is that the key?
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  • Re: Part of Fortune says what??

    Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:09 PM
    OMG! A couple of us were just chatting about this topic privately last night! CYBER PSI!
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      Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:28 PM
      I've been going back and forth on what the meaning is in with the part of fortune. I've read its like Jupiter with "Luck", and have also seen in print its a "pot of gold" ...I mean, its name makes you think that maybe you can mine it, and my thoughts are rather its an enrichment into whatever its aspect makes.... It would be nice though if its outline was really literal in these economic times! Cause then I could dig it!! lol
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        Thu, February 12, 2009 - 6:36 AM
        Well the part of fortune is always equal distance that the Sun and Moon are from the Ascendant. It lies the same distance in longitude from the ascendant as the Moon lies from the Sun.

        Arabic Parts are just another system of midpoints!

        What about the Part of Spirit? Its distance in longitude from the ascendant as the Sun lies from the Moon.

        Like for instance, I got a Cancer Sun Virgo Moon Virgo Ascendant.... My Sun and Moon are natally sextile to each others, just as my ascendant and PoF are. See how that worked? Its all proportional.
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          Thu, February 12, 2009 - 7:18 AM
          The Lot or Part of Fortune
          By Robert Hand

          Part 1
          www.accessnewage.com/Article...and1.htm

          Part 2
          www.accessnewage.com/Article...and2.htm

          Part 3
          www.accessnewage.com/Article...and3.htm

          The following is a quotation from Paulus Alexandrinus a 4th century author:

          "And Fortune signifies everything that concerns the body, and what one does through the course of life. It becomes indicative of possessions, reputation and privilege."

          And Vettius Valens who lived at about the same time as Ptolemy wrote the following:

          ". . . the Lot itself will possess the power of the Horoskopos, that of life; the tenth zoidion [sign] from this, the power of the Midheaven, that of reputation; the 7th, the power of the Descendant; the 4th, of the subterraneous zoidion, and the remaining places will possess the power of the 12 regions."

          Ptolemy would place the PoF as the ascendant degree, and this is known as the Fortuna system. It uses equal houses though, as Ptolemy used equal house system even for the ascendant.
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    Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:15 PM
    I have learned that the PF shows up in the House where we are most likely to come into wealth. But since this symbol was inherited from Arabic astrology, it can also refer to immaterial wealth such as joy or a wealth of internal riches or whatever. My PF is in the 5th house and some form of Art or performance has always brought me joy and continues to offer me a wealth of both immaterial and material riches. Maybe the PF shows us where we can be rich AND happy, if that is what we want.
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    Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:35 PM
    My POF is in the 6th House in Aquarius conjuct my Vertex and Chiron, which conjuncts my Moon.
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      Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:41 PM
      The 6th House is the House of Virgo and Mercury, but the association with diet, exercise, and routine totally leaves me cold. Perhaps I am lucky in that I don't need to diet, and I get more exercise than I like just doing the routine stuff I don't like doing. LOL.
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    Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:39 PM

    Is everyones Part of Fortune conjunct the Moon?
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      Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:46 PM
      **I'm wondering now why I posted the above post... that just cant be so. ?**
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        Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:49 PM
        Well, I don't think my POF conjunct my Moon ~ it conjuncts my Chiron, which conjuncts my moon, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is conjuncting my Moon.
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          Sun, February 8, 2009 - 10:14 PM
          My POF is conjunct North Node in Taurus, 1st House, which basically means that I am lucky when I am beautiful.
          But then again...who isn't? I find the placement very obvious and useless - anyone who gets to a NN progress will be lucky and will feel great, even without the POF there. The conjunction looks like overkill to me!
          • Re: Part of Fortune says what??

            Sun, February 8, 2009 - 10:24 PM
            Yeah, but you aren't saying that it is too much of a good thing, are you?
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              Sun, February 8, 2009 - 11:43 PM
              My POF is in the 9th house of Cancer and is opposite the Moon and trine to Jupiter. I am usually very fortunate in my travels and alot of them have been near the ocean. Perhaps when I get my photography going again in different places. I have also been very fortunate in other 9th house related endeavors.
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              Mon, February 9, 2009 - 2:23 AM
              "Yeah, but you aren't saying that it is too much of a good thing, are you?"

              That is EXACTLY what I'm saying, Amiable!
              An over-developed NN keeps me far and away from the fun, humiliation and pains of waisting my life as a door mat next to a independent, misunderstood, emotionallly shy executive Prince Charm!
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                Thu, February 12, 2009 - 6:25 AM
                lol

                True that elisei!

                I got Venus conjunct North Node in Taurus
                PoF conjunct Saturn and South Node in Scorpio

                What direction do I take? If its too easy then I might be suspicious. But it all seems too easy, so I must be doing something wrong.

                lol
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      Mon, February 9, 2009 - 2:29 AM
      mine is opposite my Moon at a 3 degree orb.

      It's in 27 degrees Scorpio, and my Moon-Mars-Jupiter are in 0 degree Gemini.

      Oh, and my POF sits in the 3rd, along with Pluto, in Scorpio.
  • Re: Part of Fortune says what??

    Mon, February 9, 2009 - 2:49 PM
    It sayeth that thy subscription iseth in remittance. shouldst thou wisheth too keepeth up on thee financial state thou should renewest thy fortune subscription.
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      Mon, February 9, 2009 - 2:59 PM
      Stjman ~

      "It sayeth that thy subscription iseth in remittance. shouldst thou wisheth too keepeth up on thee financial state thou should renewest thy fortune subscription."

      problem with this is, eventually the gasses build up and the thing explodes. I think the warm bath thing will give you the required fake live feeling and still not rot or explode as quickly.
      • Re: Part of Fortune says what??

        Mon, February 9, 2009 - 3:05 PM
        wouldst that it be trueth, that thee believers oft charlatanry wert clever. butteth this would giveth them thee power to see-eth their folly fort such a laughable pursuit. und this cannest not be.

        fort this would not be a den oft 1's und 0's (heavy on the 0's) wasting good space wheret dolphin porn wouldst probably contribute more too thee greater knowledge und well being oft mankind.

        i fort one wouldst be ashamed that mine beliefs wert tant amount to amphibian porn.

        buttest then, I doth not allow myself to fall victim to idiocy. merely clownery.

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          Mon, February 9, 2009 - 3:33 PM
          Hehe I thin POF is interesting to, mine is conjunct Saturn and pluto, and my 2nd house cusp, its also trine my mid heaven, in western scorpio, or sidereal vedic, Libra. Its with in my fisrt house but conjunct 2nd house cusp.
          • Re: Part of Fortune says what??

            Mon, February 9, 2009 - 3:38 PM
            Tryeth und game if thou darest. Lettest a person who hath not an incline to thy form of thought , take und stack oft readings from thee stars und misapply them to thee wrong signs. see ifest thou can detect whicheth ones art out of order und whicheth wert not touched at all.

            thou will findest much like the idiocy of christianity, that thou at best provide thyself with a placebo.

            personally, thee saint prefer his apothacary to carryest real pills oft thought und not sugar pills oft nothing.


            Dominus Pointless
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              Mon, February 9, 2009 - 3:40 PM
              "personally, thee saint prefer his apothacary to carryest real pills oft thought und not sugar pills oft nothing. Dominus Pointless "

              i am impressed that you could pick up that detail while floggin the sausage.

              kudos old bean.
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                Mon, February 9, 2009 - 4:02 PM
                am impressed that you could pick up that detail while floggin the sausage.

                kudos old bean.
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                ha ha ha. verily und such. thy cover iseth unveiled befort mine own previous words.

                thou art blessed und to thee house oft St.Jman who art in forum

                hollow be his posts.

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    Re: Part of Fortune says what??

    Mon, February 9, 2009 - 8:53 PM
    POF in H5 doesn't make sense but POF in libra does - share the wealth!

    Taryn - with the moon involved and the north node, this brings the issue of "security" to my mind. This sounds like it could be more significant to your expression than my POF seems to be.
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      Tue, February 10, 2009 - 6:50 PM
      Mebbe,
      With your Moon and POF in the 5H and the following is only my guess, could mean that the more you are light hearted, the more the reward?
      I can see where you're gathering "security" in mind when Cancer rules the moon....it does play a part.
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        Wed, February 11, 2009 - 3:44 AM
        >>>
        With your Moon and POF in the 5H and the following is only my guess, could mean that the more you are light hearted, the more the reward?
        I can see where you're gathering "security" in mind when Cancer rules the moon....it does play a part.
        >>>

        Wow Taryn!
        I think you are right. This is true for me.

        I always thought it was neptune T-squaring my sun-nnode opposition that led me to not focus too directly on the goal but rather on something indirect like prayer or "relationship building" to direct me through.

        But I have never thought about it before in the way you describe it! Yes, when I get too heavy and serious about things I almost always start sinking - and the people with me start bailing too (if they are smart hehe).

        Thanks Taryn!
        That was right on.
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    Tue, February 10, 2009 - 9:28 AM
    I don't think the Part of Fortune always means "fortune", though that has been its accepted conventional meaning. But you have to respect a point that combines the Sun, Moon and Ascendant, which are the components of the POF. My problem with the POF is that it doesn't describe anything that I couldn't figure out through other means in the chart.

    I think you have to look seriously at the sign of the POF and the house placement. You have to dig deeper than the obvious meaning of the sign, and you have to relate it to its sign ruler to give additional insight. I have the part of fortune in Aquarius in the 10th house. That could indicate an unconventional career, which astrology certainly is. But Aquarius also rules the energy industry, in which I worked for 24 years. Aquarius is ruled by Uranus, which rules my 11th house. Classical ruler of Aquarius is Saturn, which I have in Gemini in the 3rd house. I've always made my living in communications fields in various corporations.

    But I have a Sun/Uranus conjunction in the 2nd house, which describes the same thing that the POF describes in my 10th house. I also have a Nodal axis at 00 Leo/00 Aquarius, in the 4th/10th houses. I also have Saturn ruling my MC, which brings me back to Saturn in the 3rd.

    I do think the POF point in the chart should be watched for transits and progressions, and for how it appears in the various return charts. And I think the progressed POF might be useful in some predictive techniques.

    Michele Adler
    www.micheleadler.com
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      Tue, February 10, 2009 - 6:56 PM
      Michele,
      With what you have said, could then the Part Of Fortune also prove the chart?
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        Wed, February 11, 2009 - 2:36 PM
        Taryn - It could reinforce the chart. But the longer I look at charts, I think the most important themes are going to be expressed in more than one way. I tend to look for that when I'm studying a chart--what keeps repeating itself within the chart?

        The Pars Fortunae can certainly be a "gathering point" for themes, considering that it is a combination of the Sun, Moon and Ascendant.

        One thing I have seen done--and it can be useful--is to treat the Part of Fortune as the chart ascendant, then see where all the natal planets fall in the chart.

        One other thing about the Part of Fortune--I assume if people use astrology software that the software will do it for you--is that it is computed differently for day births than from night births. Day births use the Ascendant plus Moon minus Sun. Night births use Ascendant plus Sun minus Moon.

        Michele
        www.micheleadler.com
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          Wed, February 11, 2009 - 2:52 PM
          I find it telling that amongst the hundreds of Arabic "Parts or Pars", why Western Tropical astrology has chosen only one and the one that supposedly relates with money, wealth and one's fortune. I think to really understand its meaning, we'd have to study the Arabic origins of this symbol and hopefully not mangle its story in the translation to English.

          I agree with Katrina's thoughts of the Pars Fortune symbolizing a kind of interdependence of material and immaterial wealth and of her interpretations of Moon conjunct Pars Fortune (which I have in Virgo in the 9th House). Most of my so-called fortunes have come from publishing, consultation and living a kind of elevated yet comfortable life. I say elevated only insofar as I have never worked a 9-5 job in my life (a goal I set for myself as a teenager). In that sense, I have fallen off the punchclock work week grid and that's a joyous place for me.
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            Thu, February 12, 2009 - 1:19 PM
            I find it telling that amongst the hundreds of Arabic "Parts or Pars", why Western Tropical astrology has chosen only one and the one that supposedly relates with money, wealth and one's fortune. I think to really understand its meaning, we'd have to study the Arabic origins of this symbol and hopefully not mangle its story in the translation to English.
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            Let us see-eth. Becauseth whenst one choseth to follow shit, thou follow thee flavour that doth wreak thee least to thou.

            Liketh many oft thy contemporary era, thy languish unto thee buffet style oft philosophy und spirituality. Butteth unlike thee real restaurants oft thought und reason, buffets tasteth liketh shit no matter how much choice thou hath.

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              Thu, February 12, 2009 - 1:28 PM
              <<Let us see-eth. Becauseth whenst one choseth to follow shit, thou follow thee flavour that doth wreak thee least to thou. >>

              Butteth whatif this shiteth maketh bon mot fertilizer, liketh thee poof of thee very own highneeth ? Whateth then eth ?
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                Thu, February 12, 2009 - 1:58 PM
                LMFAO!
                keep it going, this is fantastic! XD
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                  Thu, February 12, 2009 - 2:23 PM
                  Pars Fotune sounds like New Age Commercialism, straight outta Wayne Dyre and Ramtha (not that there's anything wrong with that...)!

                  how does the placement of POF get configured?

                  i am a little apprehensive when it comes to my letting my partner have pieces of me, i dont feel wealthy in any sence, never have... i am scrooge with out the dough... the same inner turmoil that keeps me from "spiritual wealth" also keeps me from enjoying sex/ego-death...

                  lately it seems most of my chart is felt through the absence of the signs/houses/planets involved...

                  sorry for the gloom, you guys were being so lighthearted...
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    Tue, February 1, 2011 - 5:10 PM
    my part of fortune is at scorpio and 10th house. how would you interprete this?
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      Wed, February 2, 2011 - 2:12 PM
      I would want to know how close the POF is to the 10th cusp first off. The rule of thumb is that the closer it is to the cusp the more powerful.

      POF in Scorpio would represent favor where the Scorpio things are concerned. Research Scorpio and look at the things that it governs and see where it would fit in with your life and where you are with your own career.

      POF is where the ease of things will be, the blessings, the things that make you feel good. It doesn't necessarily mean money or fortune. In Scorpio I am guessing that it will transcend those things. You can bet on the fact that Scorpio is very intense and passionate, so we already know that whatever you do for a living and are known for in the public, you MOST LIKELY are passionate about it. For good or bad.

      I am doing this without seeing your chart. So take this with a grain of salt.
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        Wed, February 2, 2011 - 4:36 PM
        thanks :) i have my chart in the photos if you d like to have a look. concerning my career i am lawyer.. thinking of participating in judge school exams. though if i d had the opportunity i would like also to travel and work abroad maybe as a counselor.. i thought part of fortune was connected with career as it is in the 10th house. i am very interested in astrology but i have yet a lot to learn :) greetings from Greece
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          Wed, February 2, 2011 - 8:08 PM
          I wrote out what I saw and messaged you. Didn't see it would fit in this thread since it isn't specifically about the Part of Fortune.

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