I appreciate this post and its sharing but I am skeptical of the primlinary definitions .

Ascendant Cetus? tribes.tribe.net/academic_zodiac

"Well, why should Eris have anything to do with piracy?"

I know that one researcher connected some Eris/outer planet aspects to the historical period when piracy was quite prevalent.....and then of course Eris' discovery when piracy is in the movies, and pirates have become so popular in the media.

"There were some observations in the other thread about ideological clashes and oppresed mirorities. "

This fits in with my observations, to some extent, about having a deep non-logical 'truth' that you will fight for. I'm sure there is relevancy with the idealogical clashes. On a more positive slant, I also feel Eris is prominent among people who love a good debate, especially if it is connected with Mercury or Jupiter in some fashion.

List of keywords, based on our research and discussions on Urania-PL group (in Polish language) in 2005 and 2006, later Jarosław Gronert based on this commited entire chapter in his manula on astrology "Astrologia od początku" to this newly discovered planet (www.jarekgronert.pl), describing her nature quite similarly to this:

"Planet of peace and serenity, the value system, material status and the inclination towards gathering fortune in the positive meaning and grudge in the negative sense, fondness of spending time in the nature, farming, gardening, sybaritism, tendency to be surrounded by the luxurios goods, serenity, self-control, consistency, sometimes even stubbornes in the sense of lacking certain flexibility in behaviour, self-esteem, pacifism, avoiding quarrels, allowing others to take advantage of yourself just to have peace of mind, natural healing through the harvests of the nature, the spring awakening, monumental projects and completed builidings, power of the peace, the peace of the power."

with best regards
Bogdan Krusinski
www.astrologia.pl

So my researches are your=s now? My researches are not yours, and that goes for Robert who left lie me. Our work is not in any way yours. You did nothing at all. Easy to prove since all Eris posts are mine. There are 100 of Eris publications to prove thus lulu.com/astrology What researchers? I was the only one to publish. Your researchers do not exist. We ha=gave you the ephemeris and told them all Eris was in Cetus, precisely as its finders stated. What is the problem? The messages state clearly Klaudio Zic, that uis me, 2005. Juan did not post much. You did not exist and the rest waited for me to feed the ephemeris. Them Aldo and SOLEX came out. But Juan Aldo and Klaudio worked, not you/ That was the way it was.

1. My Centaurs mailing list began in 1999. It replaced an earlier mailing list I had called Chiron and Friends which started several years earlier. Centaurs mailing list currently has 595 members, so I do not really think 'that lame mailist' is an applicable descriptor.

2. I paid little attention to your keywords from August 2005, for more than one reason:
a. Eris was first spotted in 2003 by a Palomar Observatory-based team led by Mike Brown but not identified until January 2005, and not announced to the world until July 2005. No serious researcher could do a thorough job of researching this new body to come up with keywords in a month, or even a few months. Of course, anyone could guess or theorize as to the nature of this new body, and I know at least two psychics who received psychic impressions about it after hearing its discovery....but both of the psychics, and everyone else I know who has speculated on the nature of Eris after it was announced, fully admitted that these were impressions or speculations. These, I read, and put in a folder for future reference.
I also know another psychic who claimed that he received a 'revelation' that this new body was the Nibiru mentioned by Zechariah Sitchen, and in his writings states this as though this is a verified fact. This, I discarded as delusion.
And your 'keywords' were given little attention when you published them because, unless you had a direct pipeline to the Creator, or you had a Cray supercomputer that you programmed to analyze thousands of charts in only a couple of weeks, you simply did not have the time
by August to have the 'facts' on Eris' nature. And in truth, I found your description as 'complete delineation' of so new a body such an egotistical sounding statement that I almost threw your keywords right in the trash.
b. I did put your keywords away to look at, at a future date, though. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I theorized that you may have possibly tuned into Eris' keywords psychically, and so I would compare yours with what research in the coming years revealed. Afterall, a huge ego does not mean you can't also be psychic. As of today's date, your keywords do not match anything I or my colleagues have discerned doing our research on Eris in charts. So I see no evidence yet that, even psychically, you have good keywords for Eris.

3. The initial list of Eris keywords I posted that started this thread came from a member of my Centaurs group named Roy MacKinnon. I did not post his name at the start of this thread since he is not a member of this tribe, and not a famous astrologer, so his name did not seem necessary. However, since that time, I have a much longer list of Eris keywords that are the result of combined research of Roy, and:
a. Myself
b. Francesco Schiavinotto
c. John Delaney
d. Several other members of my Centaurs group who have supported these keywords with research of their own.
Roy, Francesco and John are all comfortable with people knowing they have preliminary Eris keywords, and as such their email addresses are visible on at least one place each on my website.
Everywhere you see me post Eris keywords, you will also see a comment that these are preliminary keywords, not set in stone. While I have found these keywords to be quite relevant, even 2008 is way too soon to come up with a definitive keyword list. (I am still learning new keywords for Chiron, and that one was discovered over thirty years ago!)
Phil Sedgwick did not contribute any Eris keywords to this still-growing list, and I don't know who Juancho is.
This tentative list was published in an article in The Mountain Astrologer, and if you ever get a chance to read that article, you will see that I state there too that the list is only preliminary.......that it is too soon to come up with a list of keywords we can rely upon as being definitive.

4. Why do you know nothing of the Eris keywords? Perhaps because you have chosen not to read the posts on Eris on my Centaurs list ( you do not have to be a member to read the posts on the web), and you have not read my article in The Mountain Astrologer. (Obviously, no secret has been made of these keywords. The Mountain Astrologer has a distribution of almost 20,000 copies. Over 9000 of those are subscribers, and the other copies are sold in over 2000 stores internationally, including Barnes & Noble, Tower Records & Books, independent bookstores, metaphysical bookstores and health food stores. In addition, I understand is still selling back issues of that magazine which had my Eris article as the cover story.)
I knew about your Eris keywords because I have tried to read everything I can find on Eris astonomically, astrologically, and mythologically.
Only you can tell me why you were not aware of the keywords I and my colleagues have suggested as provisional keywords.

5. Your last comment was very offensive:
"What is this? Preliminary? It is 2008 wake up all was done in 2005. Here it is all packed and published fat and juicy. "
You are stating that your keywords, arrived at by some unknown method, only weeks after Eris was announced, are all the world needs to understand this new body? You are stating that no further research needs to be done on Eris keywords....you have a monopoly on the true meanings of this body and your findings are absolute, verifiable by anyone, and anyone who questions your keywords needs to 'wake up'?
You are saying that the findings of several independent astrologers on Eris who pooled their resources is invalid since it does not match your findings? You are saying that a few weeks of study of Eris is enough to know all there is to know about it?

Preliminary is all any clear thinking astrologer can say about Eris keywords. Even if I could devote 8 hours a day, 7 days a week to the exclusive study of Eris, and used every chart in Lois Rodden's AstroDatabase in my research, as well as studying Eris in charts of major events of recorded history, when I was finished, my results would still only be preliminary. Why?
1. I am only one person. I cannot see the whole picture no matter how objective I try to be.
2. Other researchers would need to check and doublecheck my findings, because being human I can also err.
3. Other researchers would need to arrive at Eris keywords using independent methods from mine, and compare them to see if these keywords had integrity.

I suspect that we 'may' have a good foundation of Eris keywords within the next ten years, because a great many astrologers worldwide have picked up the gauntlet and are studying this body. With the Internet making our world so interconnected, data can be shared easily.
(I often have wished we had the Internet in the late 1970's and 1980's when the preliminary research on Chiron was done!)

But after only a few weeks after its announcement? Or even after 3 years?
I'm sorry, but it just is not logical.