Solar Return Chart

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ANY experiences you might've had that could show the importance and/or relevance of this chart would be welcome.

And the reading...where does one even begin?I've read on this one site that the degree in which the chart Ascendant lies is the main focus of the year, and you should figure out where that degree pops up in your natal chart to see what area of your life will be of main focus. Again-any experiences you might want to share would be very helpful.

And especially..does Jupiter conjunct MC in the solar return chart show career opportunities that need to be seized? What if you haven't yet decided on a career?
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  • Re: Solar Return Chart

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:56 PM
    Umm, what chart Mantis? Where is it at?
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      Re: Solar Return Chart

      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 6:52 AM
      i think mantis would like to hear something in general about solar return charts,
      or some personal experiences,
      or am i wrong?
      i would like to know more about that too.

      ree
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      Re: Solar Return Chart

      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:32 AM
      it's at astro.com. lol. it's the chart that's supposed to give yer "prognosis" for the new year. it takes yer birth data and switches the year of birth with the current year(the one your interested in..)-or so I understood.

      It seems kinda silly as a method. I don't really get why this method is supposed to show insights into the following year, but nevertheless, it's frequently used by astrologers.

      And, yes, ree, I would like to hear general info, as well as some experience insights.
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    Re: Solar Return Chart

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:31 AM
    I have studied tajika astrology, which is Persian astrology. The varsha phal or solar return chart is one aspect of Vedic astrology that was borrowed from the Persians, so it uses a tajika system, which is very similar to Western astrology.

    In this system, there are planetary periods throughout the year when the karmas of the different planets in the solar return chart become manifest. My teacher taught me how to predict when the itthasala and ishrafa (applying and separating) aspects between planets would show up based on these planetary periods. My solar return for this year had a Scorpio Ascendant, so I made note of all the itthasala aspects involving Mars and when they would occur.

    Long story short, I knew that the Mars-Saturn combo one was going to be difficult but I didn't know what would happen. Turns out, I was sick for the entirety of the Mars-Saturn period. I got sick on the day it started, and I was pretty much back to normal on the day it ended. It was a 19-day period that predicted this illness perfectly. It makes sense too looking back, as Mars rules the body for Scorpio as well as the 6th house of disease, and Saturn is a planet that can cause illness too.

    I would like to study the tajika system for solar returns charts more, but given the accuracy of this prediction I know there is something to it!

    David
  • Re: Solar Return Chart

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 1:30 PM
    There's mixed reviews regarding SolRet charts. Noel Tyl says he can't get them to work for him. I know several people who appreciate them and use them regularly - and there's different ways of looking at them. One woman takes the houses, divides them up into 12 sections and uses these sections as months so that each house has an influence for the year. Others use the whole house as the month - i.e. 1st house = 1st month of your birthday centered new year. 2nd house = 2nd month after your birthday.

    Yes, the house where the SolRet chart's ascendant falls is where the issues of the year is to come may be focused. Fore-warned and therefore be prepared.

    I have found that using them for a pattern for the year is quite good. Especially if Mars is in the 12th house; that will color the way a person starts their projects even if their natal Mars is anywhere but the 12th house. Depends upon the sensitivity of the person, too.

    If a SolRet chart shows Jupiter is conjunct the MC - which side, plz? 9th - career opportunities are being prepared for - study abroad or international studies are great topics. Legal issues may be needing to be cleared. If in the 10th, there's wisdom to be shared (teaching), humorous experiences abound, more travel, being called to judge situations (discernment). If a career has not been decided on, do use the great sweeping sponge-like qualities of Jupiter to soak up all sorts of experiences which can help define the potentials of the Natal chart.

    If you want to get really crazy with astrology, there's also Lunar Return charts... based on when your Moon returns to the place it was when you were born. And Venus Returns, and Mercury Returns. Mars Returns, and Jupiter ... all like the famed Saturn Return.

    Maluhia - Peace
    • Re: Solar Return Chart

      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:03 PM
      "Yes, the house where the SolRet chart's ascendant falls is where the issues of the year is to come may be focused. Fore-warned and therefore be prepared. "


      the ascendent will always fall in the first house. do you mean where it falls in your natal chart? for ex: i have libra rules the 10H in my natal chart, and the ascendant of the solar return chart is libra. so 10H issues will be the focus this year?


      in general i have no luck reading these charts. my SR chart for last year had leo rising with sun in the 5H conjunct pluto - one would imagine great transformations in love relations, and yet i had no love relationship that whole year.
      ??
      • Re: Solar Return Chart

        Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:58 PM
        Sorry for the confusion, thanks for assisting in the clarity. :-)
        Yes, the SolRet ascendant's placement in the natal - can show a spotlight on some of the issues for the year.

        Regarding your 3rd paragraph - Sun conjunct Pluto in the 5th - for me would be powerful self-expression and transformation of how you've expressed yourself in the past; releasing childhood issues long buried. Perhaps releasing blocks to personal expressions of power, strengthening relationships with elder wise women, or even power struggles with women around you.

        Maluhia - peace.
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    Re: Solar Return Chart

    Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:35 AM
    Another tool used in Varsha Phal or Solar Return charts is called the Muntha or Progressed Ascendant. Every year of your life, the Ascendant moves one sign forward. So one your first birthday, your Muntha will be in the next sign after your Ascendant, and when you turn twelve, your Muntha is the same as your natal Ascendant. The placement of the Muntha in the solar return chart shows a theme for the year.
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      Re: Solar Return Chart

      Wed, May 14, 2008 - 1:53 PM
      The experiences I have had with learning to read solar return charts, as with any specialized chart, is that you cant forget about your natal chart… all these charts such as the solar return, venus return, or composite chart, they are all extensions of ones natal chart. So to really be able to interpret a solar return, one has to understand the natal chart first, for it is the foundation for any chart interpretation. Also the solar return chart for me is more about themes, general directions, and focuses for that yr. if one is looking for specific answers, or events that are going to take place, looking at the solar return chart will only lead to frustration. It is the abstraction for the year, it has more to do with the big picture, but through simplicity.
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        Re: Solar Return Chart

        Thu, May 15, 2008 - 5:40 AM
        I agree.

        In the varsha phal techniques I learned, you always look at where the muntha or progressed ascendant falls in the natal chart too to get additional information about the year.
        • Re: Solar Return Chart

          Fri, May 16, 2008 - 12:54 PM
          I have a random question. In my SR the chart is almost exact as the Natal in terms of house placements. I know the placement of the angles is important but it is also significant to have angles near eachother or in the same houses? For example, my ASC in Cancer is conjunct my SR ASC in Cancer. Ditto for the Midheaven, which in SR is also conjunct Uranus. Should I look past that?
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            Re: Solar Return Chart

            Fri, May 16, 2008 - 7:06 PM
            derrick,

            i have read that it is significant when there is an angular house alignment of the SR chart to the natal chart... fundamentally this makes sense since we're dealing with angular houses and the theme/prominent flavor of that year is 1st house identity stuff; but again i think alot has to do with the natal chart... are all your houses aligned or just your angular houses? I have also read that when such an occurence happens it is a hard year. i am not sure i agree with the latter... again i think that depends on the natives natal chart and planetary placements/aspects in the SR chart.
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              Re: Solar Return Chart

              Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:51 AM
              Taking the original Natal Chart and the NEW Solar Return chart every year and layering them one on top of the other will show you the angles in many of the newly formed planetary placements. It will give you a lot to meditate on for what is coming up for that year. And what has been accomlished in the year past.

              The Ascendent is the first most significant placement of planets in the first house will show your will and what you will see. (planetary angles can alter this even combustions can be altered by angles.) Jupiter is auspicious anywhere in the chart but on the MC will indicate that careers or learning about careers will be important to you for some time to come.
              • Re: Solar Return Chart

                Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:19 PM
                Hey Serafina and Reid,

                Thanks for your comments. My main issue is that my natal ascendant and solar return ascendant are only degrees apart in placement. the houses are the same. I looked at it and was just kinda like, "this is interesting." Because you guys have mentioned that having a cardinal house on the ASC is a big deal, and I do, but it's the same cardinal house I have in natal so I don't know. Should I just concentrate on aspects between SR planets and SR planets and natal planets?

                Reid, I've got Jupiter in 7th, opp Mars in 1st. I'm figuring that's an important aspect to keep an eye on. I do have Uranus on MC though.
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                  Re: Solar Return Chart

                  Mon, May 19, 2008 - 1:31 PM
                  derrick,

                  a few yrs back i had my natal ascendant conjunct my solar return ascendant and for me it was a difficult yr... and all the angular houses were pretty much aligned between the 2 charts...but i have a very cardinal and angular natal chart... libra ascendant with with sun, mercury, venus, jupiter, uranus, chiron in angular houses and pluto in 12th but conjunct ascendant... plus in my solar return chart i had ascendant ruler venus in 4th house conjunct my natal north node... and of course a lot of SR saturn oppositions and as a capricorn sun this would just add to my difficult yr...

                  this year i have my natal chart IC/venus conjunct my solar return midheaven/jupiter... and its almost exact between IC & MC.... and i am also having my jupiter return this yr.. it is not really a difficult year as much as an expanding transforming one...
  • Re: Solar Return Chart

    Mon, May 19, 2008 - 2:51 PM

    I am a strong believer in solar returns

    I even have 2 solar return report extensions for my Kepler software

    I also believe that asteroids work in solar returns,......I have seen that to be the case

    I believe the same way about lunar returns


    to each, his own.....in regards to methods

    the main thing is to find what works best for you and the people that you do charts for.

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