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Leo weakness

topic posted Sat, May 16, 2009 - 2:45 PM by  Joakim
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Leos real weakness is supposed to be THEIR LACKING REALISM, LOTS OF BIG PLANS THAT JUST DRIFT AWAY, LIKE FLUFFY CLOUDS IN THE SKY! Not the vanity, I repeat: not the vanity....
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    Sat, May 16, 2009 - 8:07 PM
    Hmm ... why did I think that was pisces ... hmm ...

    So is pisces vain then>
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      Sat, May 16, 2009 - 8:17 PM
      Vanity, vanity...all is vanity...
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        Sun, May 17, 2009 - 5:18 AM
        Well, sweden is a very interesting socialist-project: poor people (sometimes) are allowed to eat & live somewhere & 2-3% of the population own about 70% of the private fortunes! No wonder some free people in the states are upset, they really know what they are talking about. I wonder if it´s this attitude that give swedes not so very flattering parts in many reality tv-series from the US, usually there is some dude there that looks puzzled & say things like "-wåt?" when asked simple questions. I even think some kind of vegetable is baptized a "swede" or something similar. And all that because of the hated "socialism" they know torments sweden!

        Did I state that Leo weakness as a fact, wasn´t there a question-mark in the end?
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          Sun, May 17, 2009 - 8:09 AM
          "So this matter is already settled then, savannah-cats (in genera)l are kind of lost at sea mentally, they like mansions & gold-watches but cannot even organize a picnic without stumbling in a ditch or put a foot in a mushroom with a gooey sound?"

          lmao

          I don't care about mansions or gold watches..maybe a bunch of land and a farmhouse instead...but I hear you on the lost thing.
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          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:18 AM
          "Did I state that Leo weakness as a fact, wasn´t there a question-mark in the end? "

          Well, actually, no, there wasn't a question mark.
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    Sun, May 17, 2009 - 12:33 PM
    I used to have a very clumsy leo partner who bumped into anyting. I couldn't help making remarks about it, such as: "honey, what a pity the door didn't get out of the way when you came in".
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      Sun, May 17, 2009 - 1:00 PM
      are you sure she wasn't just Swedish ?
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        Sun, May 17, 2009 - 1:15 PM
        Didn't ask, but she was always drunk. Is that enough proof?
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          Sun, May 17, 2009 - 1:23 PM
          110% proof....she was a Swede
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            Sun, May 17, 2009 - 4:09 PM
            Whats with the swede-bashing? Now, I smell inferiority complex
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              Sun, May 17, 2009 - 7:06 PM
              <<Whats with the swede-bashing? Now, I smell inferiority complex>>

              A well-aimed joust at the two Leo-bashing Swedes; they know who they are. Besides, I always thought Swedes suffered from a national inferiority complex since they could never live up to the cultural standards established by Norway and Finland.
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                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 4:13 AM
                My, you are alot do deal with. I'm quite sure you don't know much about norway, finland nor sweden so maybe your loud mouth that well protrudes even this internet community should be kept under control until there's actually something you know anything about.

                I was laughing at Joakims comment about leo because that described my mother who is a leo in a nutshell.
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                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:19 AM
                  You should do your homework before you post. sherpa is from Finland.
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                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:48 AM
                    "You should do your homework before you post. sherpa is from Finland. "

                    Oops I presumed the US as well.

                    Well I've just sung the praises for Finland already. Personally I think the Scandinavian countries are the probably amongst the most culturally advanced in the world. Obviously they have their flaws too of course. The recent winning Eurovision song from Norway being one.
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                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:58 AM
                    Oh, well that explains it. Although the fact that she's finnish doesn't automatically indicate that she has any knowledge about the past dynamics between the scandinavian countries.
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                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:09 AM
                      You mean "he." sherpa is male.

                      And while I don't know, I'd wager that he knows more about those past dynamics than you might imagine. And I'd wager he reads Swedish and speaks it as well.
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                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:36 AM
                        He, then, doesn't sound very well-informed about the subject so I doubt that. I don't know if he speaks swedish but I highly doubt that he does. Finnish is in a way more different from swedish than english. Norweigan and danish are quite similar to swedish but just similar, finnish is completly different and bares hardly any resemblance to any of the other scandinavian languages. I don't know why you would think that he speaks swedish, not that that's at all relevant or has anything to do with how well informed he is.
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                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:07 AM
                          Well, a quick look at wkipedia will tell you that Swedish is the second official language of Finland. And I suppose you know very llittle of sherpa since you clearly have no idea how well-read he obviously is.

                          Hell! The only languages I know besides English are Ancient Greek, which isn't in use much these days <grin> and French, which I am far from fluent in, and Japanese, which I have totally forgotten; but with what little smathering of German I have picked up by just more or less hanging around, even I could decipher some of the comments in the Swedish posts here. This is not unusal. I have been to Belgium and could decipher a little of the French/Anglo thing there, and in the Netherlands it is more German/Anglo, but decipherable, too. There is more German in Swedish than you may realize, or at least it looks that way to me.
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                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:29 AM
                      "Oh, well that explains it. Although the fact that she's finnish doesn't automatically indicate that she has any knowledge about the past dynamics between the scandinavian countries."

                      Are you talking about Sherpa? Admittedly there are a number of women who I know (lesbians it has to be said) who have had a similar haircut to Sherpa, I think that it is clear that Sherpa is most DEFINITELY a man. I don't see any reason why he would or wouldn't have any more or less knowledge about Scandinavian dynamics than anyone else. My ealier tirade is rendered next to useless as it rested on the presumption that Sherpa was American, but being Scandinavian he presumably is at least fiarly knowledgeable on the subject .


                      (I'm busy eating my own words here Sherpa if you're reading this. I just presume everyone who posts on tribe is American for some bizarre reason. )
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                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:46 AM
                        You mean like yourself, Paul. LOL!!!
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                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:49 AM
                          "You mean like yourself, Paul. LOL!!! "

                          I actually genuinely go through my Tribe 'life' assuming that me and Mantis are the only non-Americans. Even when other people tell me otherwise, I just forget and keep making the presumption. I'm really stupid when it comes to things like that. It just seems that most people use American phrases and spelling etc. so it just connotates an Americanised forum.
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                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:56 AM
                            Well, it is certainly that ~ and being based in San Francisco -- well, that is a species of Americana, without doubt.

                            But this a truly international forum with people from Australia, Brazil, Itally, France, Canada, Singapore, Japan, South Africa, the UK, Germany ~ to name a few countries ~ participating in the tribes I have joined. It is no doubt a good idea to remember that now and then, yes.
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                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:49 AM
                        Everyone's kind of chocked that I confused his gender hehe. I guess I envisioned this middle aged loud mouth woman. I'm not implying that he would know significantly less about this than the average scandinavian, but the average scandinavian isn't really an expert on their own history just like the average american isn't about americas history etc.

                        I'm not saying that I'm extremely well informed about the history of scandinavia and the counrty dynamics either, but what I gathered from his comment was simply that it sounded extremely bias, stupid, narrow-minded and just for the sake of enhancing himself which was why my edges became sharp. That sort of personality and way to go about things just sticks my virgo ascendant and scorpio moon in the eye=).
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                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:55 AM
                          "Everyone's kind of chocked that I confused his gender hehe. I guess I envisioned this middle aged loud mouth woman"

                          Not shocked, just amused, especially considering his portrait is set as his profile pic/avatar.
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                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:00 AM
                            Well you know, you can have a profile picture that doesn't depict yourself . But I see you look fine in the yellow gown and wings on your icon, is that your everyday style ;)?
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                              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:02 AM
                              "Well you know, you can have a profile picture that doesn't depict yourself . But I see you look fine in the yellow gown and wings on your icon, is that your everyday style ;)?"

                              LOL

                              No that was just for special occasions. On New Years day I age myself a little, then dress as a Buddhist, release my wings, and descend gracefully whilst circling myself in purple light. Someone took a photo though. Damned papparazzi.
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                                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:14 AM
                                hahahaha.... Why yes, I can imagine your enchanted holiness while doing so
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                                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:24 AM
                                  <hahahaha.... Why yes, I can imagine your enchanted holiness while doing so>

                                  Bear in mind, sugarmoonpoison, that he is a Gemini.
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                                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:33 AM
                                    Yes yes, and with a scorpio ascendant, on my moon I just saw... I like Paul. As for sherpa, he really ticks me off and has before on more than one occasion. I usually get along well with scorpios but on the other hand it might be that sherpa simply doesn't let his sympathetic sides to see the light of day =).
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                                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:49 AM
                                      As I said, sherpa and I don't even like each other, so I can sympathize with you.

                                      However, if you are going to criticize someone, you should at least know your territory. You could call that a certain Leonine predatory instinct/insight coming through. Since you and I both have Virgo rising, and you aren't conducting a detailed scope of the hunting ground, I can't say that Virgo has much to do with this.

                                      On the other hand, you should probably be aware that I have an antipathy for Scorpio Moons, although I occasionally find (at least temporarily) exceptions to my revulsion of them. God knows I would have to in order to talk with most of the people on this site since it seems like that Moon sign is ubiquitous here.
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                                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:59 AM
                                        "[....] in order to talk with most of the people on this site since it seems like that Moon sign is ubiquitous here. "

                                        Is that so? In real life I never come across with scorpio moons. But 80% of people I meet and know AND are related to have aquarius moons. Can be a coinsidence, I don't know.

                                        "On the other hand, you should probably be aware that I have an antipathy for Scorpio Moons"

                                        Really? But that is a fabulous moon! With, possibly contrary to some peoples belief, a VERY empathic moon because it makes a deep and intense and artistic inner life and perception of all things around them. How can one not like a deep, big eyed, percieving and imaginative scorpio moon?

                                        "However, if you are going to criticize someone, you should at least know your territory"

                                        Well, I didn't take it dead-serious, I was just pointing out some things. And even virgo ascendants can't keep track of every little, especially useless detail every day.
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                                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:02 AM
                                          Here on tribe, Scorpio Moons seem to be the majority. So you are among your own. LOL.

                                          Let's just say that it has been my misfortune to be one who has received the brunt of the dark side of the Scorpio Moon, and I don't like it. And I certainly have not found any empathy in that dark side at all.

                                          Eh. I have more than just Virgo rising, it is true. So details are quick for me. Mercury is my chart ruler anyway, but I don't think he is yours. LOL.
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                                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:04 PM
                                            "Mercury is my chart ruler anyway, but I don't think he is yours. LOL. "

                                            Then I have to make the assumption that your conclusions, along with your overused LOLs aren't very clever :P. Mercury is my chart ruler and also conjunct my sun, with moon conjunct pluto in the 3rd house. Here I am typing fluently a foreign language despite never having been to an english speaking country. I am an excellent analyzer and an efficient thinker if I may say it myself, I'm painfully critical and I also actually have a talent in drawing detail-advanced sketches.

                                            I'd take you in a mercury fight any day my friend :P. Woo I'm feisty today.
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                                              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:11 PM
                                              Well, all I can say is that you made a great many assumptions without even bothering to check profiles, etc. And you don't even have a chart posted. Sorry excuse for a Mercury chart ruler. Maybe your Cancer Sun makes you muddy or something, I don't know. But it seems to me that you protest too much.
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                                                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:27 PM
                                                Well, to be honest it was rather out of my character to not check his profile, actually. To be more honest I think I deliberately downplay my virgoside these days because it's been dominating my last few years, spanning from nervous behaviors, OVER-analyzing, detail-obsessions, thought-fixations, anorexic behaviors and god knows what.

                                                One would think all the cancerness would blur this side out but it sure hasn't helped me from the virgo downsides! So yeah, I'm going for a more laid back attitude. Even virgo ascendants need a break from themselves. I do like that I'm intellectually oriented but in good ol' fashion virgo-efficiency, one should opt to keep the good qualities and get rid of the bad (such as obsessing about details that aren't of importance and puts efficiency - which is the most important thing for a virgo asc - on hold ).
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                                                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:34 PM
                                                  Yeah, I totally understand that. You need to shake your ass, too. Trust me, it does wonders for whatever is ailing you ~ atrologically or otherwise.

                                                  Go ahead, rock out with FaF and me ~ we can get a mega-rave going here shortly.
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                                                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:37 PM
                                                    Feel free to post some tunes yourself ~ we're all just folks here after all and Life is OUR party! YEAH!
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                                                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:11 PM
                                                      "we're all just folks here after all and Life is OUR party!"

                                                      Sounds like right and sound thinking.
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                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:13 AM
                          Lighten up. Couldn't you see he was just yanking your chain? LOL!
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                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:20 AM
                            sherpa and I don't even like each other, do we sherpa?

                            I must be having a mental leave of absence here in a supposedly Leo thread. Well, with how little Leo is being discussed, it is a small wonder that I have gotten myself completely confused. It is a migraine-inducer.
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                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:10 AM
                Please inform us about what those missing...cultural standards are, or was that just a fancy expression that sounded posh? Most say Sweden is top-dog country in old scandinavia & considered one of the finest "country-brands" on earth. In the US perhaps a "swede" is some corny carrot, but in the rest of the world Sweden stands for superior quality & refinement. No wonder it gets mixed up with Switzerland a lot, that´s praise...
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                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:32 AM
                "cultural standards established by Norway and Finland."

                Really, even though most of their power is derived from renewable energy, particularly Hydroelectricity, something the rest of the world are struggling to catch up with. Lunch for all students in Sweden is free and over 90% continue to complete their secondary education. Sweden have also chosen to utilise a voucher scheme to allow parents the affordability to privately school their children either. Sweden (but also particularly Finland, admittedly) consistently score excellently on the PISA ratings.
                I doubt Sweden has much of an inferiority complex. The scandinavian countries - Finland more so - are probably WAY ahead of the rest of the western world in terms of education, unlike, for random example, America, who scores less on average on the PISA ratings and OECD average, even though they spend considerably more in this arena.
                Perhaps in comparison to Finland, Sweden does feel slightly inferior, but considering how advanced they are educationally, compared to say, America or Great Britain, I doubt they feel too inferior, as if the US and UK are the competition, they don't have much to fear.

                A good example:
                In the 2006 PISA results Norway didn't make the top 20 in ANY of the main categories of Literacy, Writing and Science whereas at least Sweden shows its face in one of them. Interesting America is also nowhere to be seen on the top 20, whereas Finland is consistently either first or second. Finland undoubtedly has one of (if not THE) best education system in the world. But in comparison to the US, Sweden isn't doing too bad.

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                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:46 AM

                  "Really, even though most of their power is derived from renewable energy, particularly Hydroelectricity, something the rest of the world are struggling to catch up with."

                  I shoudl have really juxtaposed this in comparison to NOrway, the largest oil exporter in Europe, third largest in the entire world. Admittedly they export this and use hydroelectricity themselves. My ultimate point being that Sweden, Finland and Norway are in a lot of ways WAY WAY WAY ahead of the game, and that neither one is likely to feel considerably inferior, if they did, all they have to do is look at the US and the UK and chuckle smugly to themselves.


                  Other cultural things to note is that Sweden has produced more NObel prize winners per capita than any other country. The Nobel prize itself, being, of course, Swedish. Norway did well too of course. You would think that the US would lead the way, as the US has the most Nobel prize winners, but per capita, the US just misses the top ten, unlike Sweden, Norway, Ireland and the UK.

                  Ultimately it is probably foolish to imagine that Sweden feels culturally inferior to its neighbours and even less so compared to the world. Certainly the US doesn't have anything on it.
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                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:54 AM
                    <Other cultural things to note is that Sweden has produced more NObel prize winners per capita than any other country. The Nobel prize itself, being, of course, Swedish. Norway did well too of course. You would think that the US would lead the way, as the US has the most Nobel prize winners, but per capita, the US just misses the top ten, unlike Sweden, Norway, Ireland and the UK.>

                    But as you say, the prize originates in Sweden, so it may well be skewed toward Sweden and sister Scandanavian countries as well.
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                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:58 AM
                      "But as you say, the prize originates in Sweden, so it may well be skewed toward Sweden and sister Scandanavian countries as well."

                      There is that distinct possibility of course. Interestingly I don't think that Finland produced too many Nobel winners, considering their fantastic education system, it's somewhat surprising.
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                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:00 AM
                        Well, it is a pretty damn small place with a number of very remote areas in it.
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                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:33 AM
                          By small, I mean in comparison to the behemoth that is the US, for example, not to mention China, the former USSR, Canada, etc., etc. It is the 8th largest country in Europe, but it has a small population for its size as well. I grew up thinking of it as an extremely independent country that was able to successfully defend itself against the direct invasion attempts by the Nazis in WWII ~ no small feat.

                          I also have long-time friends here where I live that are from Estonia, and Sweden and some of Finnish ancestry. Remarkable people all, and all with accomplished children. Large communities of Scandanavian immigrants and their descendents populate the northern areas of the US from one coast the other. This is also true of Canada. I don't, however, know the size of the Finnish-American population in Berkeley.
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                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:39 AM
                            "By small, I mean in comparison to the behemoth that is the US, for example, not to mention China, the former USSR, Canada, etc., etc. It is the 8th largest country in Europe, but it has a small population for its size as well."

                            It works per capita, so per population as opposed to per size. Ireland is consdierably smaller and we (somehow) manged to squeeze our more Nobel winners which strikes me as odd, probably in literature.
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                              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:50 AM
                              Yeah, no doubt a direct result of all that great Celtic oral history tradition and singing all the time. LOL. Ireland does have an inordinate number of good poets, musicians, and linguistic types of all kinds.
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                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:47 AM
                            "By small, I mean in comparison to the behemoth that is the US, for example, not to mention China, the former USSR, "

                            All of Europe is small compared to the USSR and China and to a lesser extent the US. But Finland is a couple of times bigger than the UK but has a population less than one of their major cities. I think that Finland and Ireland have a similar populatin but Finland is much bigger than Ireland. Actually find Ireland on the map and look Finland. Then look at Ireland/Finland compared to the US or China or USSR. It's crazy really.
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                              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:53 AM
                              The thing is that Finland has so much rugged terrain ~ it is just land. Ireland has more land available for cultivation. A lot of northern Finland is just rock.
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                                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:56 AM
                                "northern Finland is just rock. "

                                Yeah a good bit of Finland is in the Arctic Circle, so not too inhabitant friendly, like the USSR in that way. We studied the Scandivian countries for school. I can honestly say that this is the first time I've ever relied on ANY of that knowledge in even any remote way whatsoever.
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                                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:05 AM
                                  Actually, most of Finland is just rock and water.

                                  <We studied the Scandivian countries for school. I can honestly say that this is the first time I've ever relied on ANY of that knowledge in even any remote way whatsoever.>

                                  LOL. You never know what will come in handy on tribe.

                                  And who would have thought that a thread on "Leo weakness" would morph into a discussion of Northern European geography? You just never know around here.
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                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:37 AM
                          "Well, it is a pretty damn small place with a number of very remote areas in it. "

                          Well I just did a google search. Seems my knowledge is out of date, Iceland is the leading Nobel Prize per capita, Sweden is at 2nd Place, Norway 6th, Ireland 8th, US at 11, Finland at 14.
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            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:13 AM
            "110% proof....she was a Swede "

            Not necessarily, she may also have been scottish or irish, double-check!
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          Sun, May 17, 2009 - 2:47 PM
          I can confirm Leo-clumsiness, I´ve observed this at close range during the years. Table-manners can be rather crude too, lots of slurping noises.
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      Sun, May 17, 2009 - 2:55 PM
      I'm still searching out to see if my birth time is out there lost somewhere. I have a rough time. My rising could be Leo or Virgo, because of this I'm asking the following.

      I'm a complete klutz. I walk into people, walks, telephone polls and have tripped off of curbs. I also walk into the corners of the walls in my apartment on a regular basis. Thank goodness I'm short or I'd most likely bang my head on many things.

      until I can find my exact birth time I'm trying to at least find which ascendant best fits me (some people never find out). Would one's rising play a part in something like this?
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        Sun, May 17, 2009 - 4:04 PM
        Yes Most leo Suns i've known are all out folks. The first to grab the rope swing at the river Weeeeeeeeeeee, drop 50 feet to the water.
        I wouldn't them (Most I said) the most physically graceful folks. I see Leo energy as a bit Brash..
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          Sun, May 17, 2009 - 5:21 PM
          ! WTF? We are CATS. I don't know about you poor afflicted types, but I do pretty well on my tiny little feet. Have good reflexes, too. Being inebriated takes that edge off, but for the most part, I am pretty agile. Everyone knows a cat lands on its feet. Sheesh.
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            Sun, May 17, 2009 - 5:24 PM
            Hell! You should see me dance!
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              Sun, May 17, 2009 - 5:55 PM
              I did say Most. And I guess most of those were males. Agile somewhat, you need some while flying 50 feet above the river and not breaking you neck when you hit the water. That's not what I see as Grace though. But I guess I was thinkin of the Dudes...
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                Sun, May 17, 2009 - 6:17 PM
                Sheeesh. Don't know about what is happening here, but I have a friend whose chart I'd love to post. He has Pluto and Juiter in Leo in the 12th House, and then Sun, Asc, NN, Moon and Mercury all in 1H Leo. Not surprisingly, he is also a goldsmith who makes really wonderful jewelry and has his own shop. We have been friends for ages. And we get a good rhythm going that looks far from clumsy, I assure you. <winkies> He says it takes a cat to know a cat. Could be.
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                  Sun, May 17, 2009 - 6:51 PM
                  why leo's? ... my mom is a leo, she is not super graceful.... but kinda normal in that department and i must say she doesn't slurp at the dinner table...lol
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    Re: Leo weakness

    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:36 AM
    The unendingly funny thing about Leo's, is that they will insist they have won even while actively engaged in impaling themselves on the weapons of the enemy. It validates them. Its also funny as hell when they run into a wall that is lion proof. Life when valley girls run into clean, clear glass doors.
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    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:15 AM
    "Leos real weakness is supposed to be THEIR LACKING REALISM, LOTS OF BIG PLANS THAT JUST DRIFT AWAY, LIKE FLUFFY CLOUDS IN THE SKY! Not the vanity, I repeat: not the vanity...."

    I don't think so. I've not noticed it with any of my leo friends. I have noticed that 'big dream and fluffy clouds' symptom with Pisces and Sagittarius but not with Leo. If I was to highlight a Leo 'weakness' it would be the need to gain acceptance/approval from others. Leo instantly comes into the world thinking 'nobody knows how much I have to offer' and this is fundamentally the issue, because in a lot of ways THEY don't know what they have to offer, they just 'assume' that they DO have something and they spend a long time looking for that something, the something that will have them adored, because ultimately they KNOW that they have something special. They just forget that so does everyone else.
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      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:17 AM
      It's the classic Leo-Aquarius dynamic:

      LEO - "I'm unique."

      AQUARIUS - "Yes, you are unique, just like everyone else"
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        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:37 AM
        >>>It's the classic Leo-Aquarius dynamic:

        LEO - "I'm unique."

        AQUARIUS - "Yes, you are unique, just like everyone else" <<<

        Paul,

        I've seen you post this point of view before, and I must say, I cannot agree with it.....I think it is Aqua that says "I'm unique", and appreciates the unique qualities within each human, before the collective.

        Leo, weakness could be vanity, yet leadership qualities are strong.
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          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:47 AM
          "I've seen you post this point of view before, and I must say, I cannot agree with it.....I think it is Aqua that says "I'm unique", and appreciates the unique qualities within each human, before the collective."

          FaF

          I meant to imply that both Aquarius and Leo recognise the 'uniqueness' in themselves, but that Aquarius is more likely to not forget about it in others which sounds like the same thing you're saying when you say:
          "I think it is Aqua that says "I'm unique", and appreciates the unique qualities within each human, before the collective. "

          I think we're saying the same thing. Sometimes Leo forgets that everyone else is probably as capable, talented, good looking, affectionate, loyal as they are. Leo is the sun that shines so bright, the brightest light in the sky, the powerful sun, the only other lights out there are those little stars. Leo forget that those little stars are also powerful suns too. From those other sun's point of view, Leo is just another little twinkle in the distance. I think leo forgets this whereas Aquarius is less likely to, even perhaps are painfully aware of it, for that reason many Aquarius' are just as likely as Leo to strive to be seen as different. At Karaoke night Aquarius will grab that microphone far quicker than Leo would.
          • Aquarius Leo

            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:53 AM
            I don't think you can ever really fully seperate one sun-sign from the opposite on the axis. They should be taken and understood together. One is not the 'opposite' of the other, they have a lot in common. Both are likely to be as stubborn as one another, Aquarius is a great Manager, Leo a great leader. Head vs Heart. Aquarius is proud of its ideas and Leo is proud of its accomplishments and talents. They have a lot in common really, both are fixed, both are yang, both are proud.

            Leo-Aquarius is an interesting one, it's the classic astrology's Sun-Saturn energy.

            I also believe that many 'fall' into the other side of the axis.
            • Re: Aquarius Leo

              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:08 AM

              >>>Leo-Aquarius is an interesting one, it's the classic astrology's Sun-Saturn energy. <<<

              I am a 6th house triple Aquarius, 29' 27"Leo Asc....welcome to my world... ; )
          • Re: Leo weakness

            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:06 AM
            Thank you for clarifying you point of view. It seems folks get stuck on the "detached, aloof, collective part of Aquarius, and do not understand the dichotomy of WHY they APPEAR that way....I am glad you agree!

            From Steven Forest's "The Inner Sky"

            "For Aquarius, That compromise (of freedom) is anathema. The Water Bearer 's mortal enemy is the tribal instinct. If she succumbs, all is lost. She becomes just one more familiar character in the endless sitcom of our daily existence."

            "Aquarius and conformity: They mix just about as well as peace and nuclear warheads."

            "The Aquarius endpoint? The flawless, uncompromising expression of self. Individuality perfected"

            So, perhaps the first point of view you stated would be of an unintegrated Aquarius....?

            If we are to indulge in the Sun sign study, I think we (this tribe) would benefit to address the Sun as being integrated, or not....I think the beauty of Aquarius is an ability to see how important it is to respect the unique qualities (potential) each individual holds, and hold that in honor, to protect it in the collective.
          • Re: Leo weakness

            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:11 AM
            <I think we're saying the same thing. Sometimes Leo forgets that everyone else is probably as capable, talented, good looking, affectionate, loyal as they are. >

            Um...they are? LOL!

            Well, thank God I have an Aqua Moon then, so I can see these other stars. <winkies>
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          Re: Leo weakness

          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:49 AM
          I think you're off a bit FaF, aquarius do have that collective conscious that (as a fixed sign) is quite hard to overlook. In fact I think "we are all unique" sums up aquarius quite well. Aquarius often refferes to themselves within comparison or within some context of other people.

          Vanity is more often an air downside, leos issues lies less on the surface but more in their ego and image of who they are, which ties leo more to having problems with thinking or relating to things outside of themselves and their own experience. "I am what I am, take it or leave it"
          • Re: Leo weakness

            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 10:06 AM
            sugarmoonpoison,

            I think you need to reread my posts, it appears to me you are saying the same thing I am , but you are telling me I am *off*? Is it Paul's post that I quoted that you attribute to me? I don't get it. It was Paul that said "I am unique" and was applying it to Leo.


            In fact I summed up in my post *my* thoughts about Aquarius as such.... >>>.I think the beauty of Aquarius is an ability to see how important it is to respect the unique qualities (potential) each individual holds, and hold that in honor, to protect it in the collective.<<<
            • Re: Leo weakness

              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 10:39 AM
              ~~sherpa and I don't even like each other, do we sherpa? ~~

              What do they say about the two sides of one coin. he he..
              Me think you two, Like to dislike each other and strongly like to argue/banter.

              Leo and Paul's statement. Yes It's the Polarity theme. There is Leo in Aqu and Aqu in Leo.
              Leo is the "self" expressive part and Aqu in the Individual part w/in the "community".

              Ok Leo weekness. If a "strength" is strong leaders.
              find the oppostite state.
              the weekness can be- Need for being the center of attention,
              so not nessisarily Vanity.
              • Re: Leo weakness

                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 10:50 AM
                Vanity

                en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity

                >>>In many religions vanity, in its modern sense, is considered a form of self-idolatry, in which one rejects God for the sake of one's own image, and thereby becomes divorced from the graces of God. The stories of Lucifer, Narcissus (who gave us the term narcissism) and others attend to a pernicious aspect of vanity. Philosophically-speaking, vanity may refer to a broader sense of egoism and pride. Friedrich Nietzsche wrote that "vanity is the fear of appearing original: it is thus a lack of pride, but not necessarily a lack of originality."<<<

                And so, I see vanity as being correct in context
                • Re: Leo weakness

                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:13 AM
                  Oh, well, there you go. Cat's out the bag. We are original. I am not sure that I would put myself up against God, though. He looks even more original than I do, I think.
              • Re: Leo weakness

                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:24 AM
                <What do they say about the two sides of one coin. he he..
                Me think you two, Like to dislike each other and strongly like to argue/banter.>

                I can't imagine whatever gave you that idea, Dragon. Clearly, we have nothing in common and have no respect at all for each other. I hold up my posts on this thread as evidence of that.

                Um...Right.

                It is totally obvious that we have nothing but venom for each other. My Leo jaws are itching to chomp down on the crunchy Scorp as a snack ~ too small to be much other than a snack, of course. <smiling wilth teeth again>
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              Re: Leo weakness

              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 10:46 AM
              • Re: Leo weakness

                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:07 AM
                I have no idea for whom your post is intended, sherpa, but I am confident that you are eating this thread up with a spoon, as well you should. It is supposed to be about Leos, you know, and look what has happened. You are such a sneak. LOL!
                • Re: Leo weakness

                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:09 AM
                  Damn Scorpios. Mutter, mutter...
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                    Re: Leo weakness

                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:29 AM
                    Hey, Hey, leave us Scorpio moons anymore. Sherpa is in another realm of his own. =) Continue with the main topic of the thread.

                    • Re: Leo weakness

                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:36 AM
                      hey, I don't see why people are wasting time on joakim's threads, anyway. he's just trying to push buttons..and trust me, I can tell that! LOL.

                      And since I take so much time and skill to prepare my own "pushings of the buttons", it pisses me off when an amateurs steals the stage.
                    • Re: Leo weakness

                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:40 AM
                      You have to be joking! LOL! The main topic of this thread never even got off the ground in spite of my all my heroic efforts to get it back on track.

                      This clearly further evidence that Leos are a discarded minority in this tribe, in spite of all that we have as material for discussion. It is a total outrage. I am sure that it is all a Scorpio Sun and Scorpio Moon conspiracy. I am now going to go off and sulk in my 12th House.
                      • Re: Leo weakness

                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:48 AM
                        it did too! there waas reply exchange with the "joakim", therefore the buttons have been pushed, and the damage done.
                • Re: Leo weakness

                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:14 AM
                  I've been posting about the Leo Aquarius polarity....trying to anyway...

                  I am invisible


                  I give up...see ya
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                    Re: Leo weakness

                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:26 AM
                    Hey, I responded to your post, FaF. What's with you?
                    • Re: Leo weakness

                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:28 AM
                      And what about someone like me who embodies this duality in Sun/Moon? Not just by virtue of an axis? Give a girl a break.
                    • Re: Leo weakness

                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:38 AM
                      >>>Hey, I responded to your post, FaF. What's with you? <<<


                      Sorry, it is me. I usually know better than to come here when my "thick skin" is in the laundry. Expended all my energy yesterday in trying to get my point across on a variety of topics...(not here)

                      I'll just go hang the wash on the line and water the flowers...
                      • Re: Leo weakness

                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:44 AM
                        I wouldn't mind helping if you like.

                        This thread is so NOT about Leos anyway. Maybe we could even make some of those delicious devilled eggs or a nice beef Burgundy thingy. All this geography talk has made me hungry.
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                  Re: Leo weakness

                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:54 AM
                  <<I have no idea for whom your post is intended, sherpa, but I am confident that you are eating this thread up with a spoon, as well you should. It is supposed to be about Leos, you know, and look what has happened. You are such a sneak. LOL!>>

                  Little did you know that I am actually more Leo than Scorpio thanks to my 9th House Leo South Node. I am of the mind that assigns considerable status to the South Node and as an example, your 9th House Gemini SN speaks volumes. The Scorpio in me is but an incidental catastrophe resulting from a present lifetime need to toughen up and face adversity with a snarl & a grin. Truth is, I clearly have way too much fun to be as much of a Scorpio than most folks here assume me to be.
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                    Re: Leo weakness

                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:01 PM
                    My God, sherpa, you are so cleverly disguised that one would think you were some sort of ninja. I am totally thunderstruck by Thor's hammer. Just imagine the implications here. I think I need electroshock therapy now having learned that you are having fun.
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                    Re: Leo weakness

                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:05 PM
                    <I am of the mind that assigns considerable status to the South Node and as an example, your 9th House Gemini SN speaks volumes.>

                    Yes, and all of them are closed books.
              • Re: Leo weakness

                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:33 AM
                omg..that sounds like greek. lol
                • Re: Leo weakness

                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:34 AM
                  reply to sherpa's Finnish lesson. LOL
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                    Re: Leo weakness

                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:03 PM
                    Oh, well, now Mantis has turned herself into some sort of squid thing. This thread is just too strange.
                    • Re: Leo weakness

                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:08 PM
                      that is a creature of the abyss. show some respect. LOL I think it's really cute, though. kinda reminds me of disney's dumbo.
                      • Re: Leo weakness

                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:12 PM
                        The laundry on the line is still wet. My roses have a mass of aphids, and there are ants in my car.
                        • Re: Leo weakness

                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:20 PM
                          That all sucks. Let's play some music.

                          www.youtube.com/watch
                          • Re: Leo weakness

                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:37 PM
                            Ok, I sprayed the aphids with the hose, I'll spray soapy stuff on the, then I'll vacuum the car cause the ants usually like the car when the kids drop candy under the seats. Laundry off, Laundry on.

                            www.youtube.com/watch Indigo Girls, "GaliLEO"

                            Now while I am attending my chores, would anyone like to comment on my Leo Ascendant Conjunct Regulus (the heart of the lion)? Or My Aquarius Sun, Mars and Saturn? Oh I've got 1st house Uranus conj Pluto and this conjunction trines Moon, and Mercury. But, really I must know nothing about the Leo Aquarius axis, because I have not read all the books?

                            No, I know it because I *live* it.

                            Yes, I am grumpy and feisty today.
                          • Re: Leo weakness

                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:40 PM
                            ewww. but since you're in the past, try this, for a change: www.youtube.com/watch
                            • Re: Leo weakness

                              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:44 PM
                              or this, better www.youtube.com/watch i luuuv ennio morricone. And "lolita" "giggles"

                              Like my sister said, "if only I had a step father that looked like jeremy irons" hahaha.
                              • Re: Leo weakness

                                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:57 PM
                                dammit. see what you've done? now I got to cruise my youtube favorites again, and stumbled upon the "perfume: the story of a murderer" soundtrack. One of THE most amazing soundtracks you will ever hear. amazing film, too.

                                my faves: www.youtube.com/watch " The Streets of Paris"

                                www.youtube.com/watch "Meeting Laura"

                                www.youtube.com/watch "The Crowd's Embrace"




                                • Re: Leo weakness

                                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:16 PM
                                  My God, Mantis. Your taste in music is so ROMANTIC that it is a small wonder to me that you live in your head and get bummed out. It is all this side of sacred music, and with a son who was a treble in a cathedral choir, I know what that is. Explains a lot. YOU need some shaking up, that's all there is to it!
                                  • Re: Leo weakness

                                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:30 PM
                                    "My God, Mantis. Your taste in music is so ROMANTIC that it is a small wonder to me that you live in your head and get bummed out. It is all this side of sacred music, and with a son who was a treble in a cathedral choir, I know what that is. Explains a lot. YOU need some shaking up, that's all there is to it!"

                                    huh? I think your mind kinda got lost in the stream of typing, there. It is a small wonder to you that I live in my head and get bummed out? don't get it. Lots of people listen to that kind of music, and aren't loners.
                                    • Re: Leo weakness

                                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:30 PM
                                      and what do you mean by "shaking up"?
                                      • Re: Leo weakness

                                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:41 PM
                                        SHAKE YOUR ASS!
                                        • Re: Leo weakness

                                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:44 PM
                                          amiable, whatever you're on, I think I'd like to try it. LOL
                                          • Re: Leo weakness

                                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:47 PM
                                            Well, that is high praise, coming from you, Mantis. Makes having my feelings hurt seem like not a problem. <whimper ~ did sherpa and FaF call me a liar?>
                                            • Re: Leo weakness

                                              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:52 PM
                                              Well, that is high praise, coming from you, Mantis. Makes having my feelings hurt seem like not a problem. <whimper ~ did sherpa and FaF call me a liar?>


                                              No, I did not call you a liar, I think sherpa's song was referring to "courtship compulsion" a concept I can relate to....and I have Venus in Pisces, 7th house, I can relate to Mantis' longings and romantic side, but I am older now, and on the other side of the fence. Not to say I do not sometimes go there...

                                              • Re: Leo weakness

                                                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:56 PM
                                                so what does that mean..:I'm older, and on the other side of the fence"? you mean to tell me there's no Santa Claus?! "sobbing and crying"
                                                • Re: Leo weakness

                                                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:59 PM
                                                  so what does that mean..:I'm older, and on the other side of the fence"? you mean to tell me there's no Santa Claus?! "sobbing and crying"


                                                  I trust this is sarcasm? If not I will reply honestly...
                                                  • Re: Leo weakness

                                                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:04 PM
                                                    it was sarcasm, which is a desperate call for honesty. lol So, serioussly, do you feel like romance is a waste of time?
                                                    • Re: Leo weakness

                                                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:11 PM
                                                      No, honey. It is a symptom of the imagination. Not a waste of time. Who knows what you can do with your Romanticism. But I still say you need to learn how to shake your ass.
                                                    • Re: Leo weakness

                                                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:11 PM
                                                      romance is nice if you can set it apart from love. being in love is nice, if you can set it apart from being your ~self~. do not lose yourself in partnership. although you question your future, you have a stronger sense of who you are than I think I did when I was your age. I did have a knight on a white horse come and rescue me, but that is not what I needed. Another knight has come along, and I am careful not to succumb. I do not blame them, it is my issue to be aware of...take responsibility for, being true to my self.
                                                      • Re: Leo weakness

                                                        Tue, May 19, 2009 - 1:28 AM
                                                        "romance is nice if you can set it apart from love. being in love is nice, if you can set it apart from being your ~self~. do not lose yourself in partnership"

                                                        FaF

                                                        How wise. Many people make this mistake. I doubt you are alone in it.
                                                        • Popular - The Song of Leo

                                                          Tue, May 19, 2009 - 1:32 AM
                                                          Always reminds me of the fun/self-involved side of Leo.

                                                          The song Popular taken from Wicked the Musical:


                                                          GLINDA:
                                                          (Spoken)
                                                          Elphie, now that we're friends, I've decided to make you my new project!

                                                          ELPHABA:
                                                          (Spoken)
                                                          You really don't have to do that...

                                                          GALINDA:
                                                          (Spoken)
                                                          I know, that's what makes me so nice!

                                                          (Sung)
                                                          Whenever I see someone less fortunate than I,
                                                          And let's face it, who isn't less fortunate than I?
                                                          My tender heart tends to start to bleed.
                                                          And when someone needs a makeover,
                                                          I simply have to take over!
                                                          I know, I know exactly what they need!

                                                          And even in your case,
                                                          Though it's the toughest case I've yet to face,
                                                          Don't worry, I'm determined to succeed!
                                                          Follow my lead,
                                                          And yes indeed, you will be...

                                                          POPULAR!
                                                          You're gonna be popular!
                                                          I'll teach you the proper poise,
                                                          When you talk to boys,
                                                          Little ways to flirt and flounce,
                                                          ooh!
                                                          I'll show you what shoes to wear!
                                                          How to fix your hair!
                                                          Everthing that really counts to be...

                                                          POPULAR!
                                                          I'll help you be popular!
                                                          You'll hang with the right cohorts,
                                                          You'll be good at sports,
                                                          Know the slang you've got to know.
                                                          So let's start,
                                                          'Cause you've got an awfully long way to go!

                                                          Don't be offended by my frank analysis,
                                                          Think of it as personality dialysis,
                                                          Now that I've chosen to become a
                                                          Pal, a sister and advisor,
                                                          There's nobody wiser!
                                                          Not when it comes to...

                                                          POPULAR!
                                                          I know about popular.
                                                          and with an assist from me,
                                                          to be who you'll be,
                                                          instead of dreary who you were...
                                                          Well, are.
                                                          There's nothing that can stop you,
                                                          from becoming popu-ler... lar...

                                                          la la, la la!
                                                          We're gonna make you pop-u-lar!

                                                          When i see depressing creatures,
                                                          With unprepossessing features,
                                                          I remind them on their own they have
                                                          To - think - of
                                                          Celebrated heads of state,
                                                          Or specially great communicators!
                                                          Did they have brains or knowledge?
                                                          Don't make me laugh!

                                                          They were POPULAR!
                                                          Please!
                                                          It's all about popular.
                                                          It's not about aptitude,
                                                          It's the way you're viewed,
                                                          So it's very shrewd to be,
                                                          Very very popular
                                                          like ME!

                                                          (Spoken)
                                                          Why, Miss Elphaba, look at you. you're beautiful!

                                                          ELPHABA:
                                                          (Spoken)
                                                          I, I have to go...

                                                          GALINDA:
                                                          (Spoken)
                                                          You're welcome...

                                                          (Sung)
                                                          And though you protest,
                                                          Your disinterest,
                                                          I know clandestinely,
                                                          You're gonna grin and bear it!
                                                          Your new found popularity!
                                                          Aah!

                                                          La la, la la!
                                                          You'll be popular!
                                                          Just not quite as popular as ME!
                                                          • Re: Popular - The Song of Leo

                                                            Tue, May 19, 2009 - 1:58 AM
                                                            lol.

                                                            You know, I never knew anything like that. I was a kind of pseudobohemian arty type growing up. No doubt probably still am. I had a few close friends and some people watching on the outside that I was more or less aware of ~ often more less than more.

                                                            I had demons for company growing up through my teens. At one point they hospitalized me. I developed a nice pallet of phobias that took a while to come to terms with. My breakdowns in college were every spring. I almost didn't make it to my graduation. I felt persecuted, and after a fashion, I actually was. But at that time I just didn't realize the way of social groups at all. So I listened to Gregorian Chants and tried to mind my own business. That clearly didn't work.

                                                            Who thinks of popularity in such circumstances. Anonymity is what is comforting. I have to say that the inevitablility of death and being relatively anonymous are good comforts. Anything else is just a better or worse way to pass the time.
                                                    • Re: Leo weakness

                                                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:18 PM
                                                      ~~~And since I take so much time and skill to prepare my own "pushings of the buttons", it pisses me off when an amateurs steals the stage.~~

                                                      LOL......Now THAT is Leonine statement if I ever heard one.

                                                      There is such a theme of staying away from Sun sign astro. That I think most of us Steer away from just ID'ing any sign as just Sun signs.
                                                      I found FaF's responce a posible example of Leo weekness, and I can find allot of statements here that have Leo-ish.
                                                      As a matter of fact Most of what happends here is kinda Leo-ish, guized under all kinds of other energies.
                                                      Me Leo MC...

                                                      ~~So, serioussly, do you feel like romance is a waste of time?~~
                                                      Gee it's like the best thing in life worth living for....

                                                      Sherpa. The Leo. This is why I have a hard time seeing your intercepts at Leo and Aqu.. Cancer Cap seems to make much more sense to me. Course I Didn't know of you like 25 years ago..soo..
                                      • Re: Leo weakness

                                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:43 PM
                                        oh, and speaking of cathedrals, here's a singer I listen to almost every day: www.youtube.com/watch



                                        and I'm not even a Christian! I got their albums from my religion teacher in high school, an ex-hardcore rocker who lived a life of depravity, until he -quote, "found god".

                                        the first time he played it to us in class, I could barely help myself from bursting into tears. ever since, I've been listening to more and more songs, trying to relive that sensation, but I can't. It's like a drug. you can never feel the same amount of pleasure as the first time.
                                        • Re: Leo weakness

                                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:48 PM
                                          >>>the first time he played it to us in class, I could barely help myself from bursting into tears. ever since, I've been listening to more and more songs, trying to relive that sensation, but I can't. It's like a drug. you can never feel the same amount of pleasure as the first time. <<<

                                          I tend to enjoy music more as I listen to it more....I like to explore the whole landscape, and for me, it is not always wholly obvious the first time around. I do really enjoy inspirational music, Ave Maria is one of my all time favorites, as is Amazing Grace.

                                          Any one seen the film "Into Great Silence"?
                                        • Re: Leo weakness

                                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 1:59 PM
                                          You are very bad for me, Mantis. I am such a sucker for this stuff. Makes me hallucinate. And boy choirs even more so. And solo trebles..well, forget about it.

                                          www.youtube.com/watch

                                          Trebles have voices that can simultaneously break hearts and cleave stones. My son had a voice like a piccolo.
                                          • Re: Leo weakness

                                            Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:15 PM
                                            eh..it was cute, but no water-extractor. he's just a pup. he has that innocence that shines through his voice, that says.."I don't really know what the heck I'm talkin about, but I hope lots of girls are watching" LOL

                                            but since we're at cryers, try Sarah mclachlan's "Fear": www.youtube.com/watch

                                            Or Annie Lennox's "Into the West" : www.youtube.com/watch
                                            • Re: Leo weakness

                                              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:24 PM
                                              and, of course, the song that makes it all go away for me: www.youtube.com/watch
                                              • Re: Leo weakness

                                                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:41 PM
                                                Yeah. You can shake your ass to that. And at least part of it was in French. Even though I am a quarter Lebanese, I know no Arabic.
                                                • Re: Leo weakness

                                                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 4:17 PM
                                                  a quarter Lebanese? OMG. Blonde and Lebanese..your parents could've got at least 4 camels for you. hahahaha
                                                  • Re: Leo weakness

                                                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:03 PM
                                                    An Uber Aqua

                                                    Sherly Crow Steve McQueen

                                                    www.youtube.com/watch
                                                    • Re: Leo weakness

                                                      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:13 PM
                                                      I'm goin for a ride...
                                                      • Re: Leo weakness

                                                        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:40 PM
                                                        Let's put on our leather pants and DRIVE, FaF!
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                                                          Re: Leo strengths

                                                          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:49 PM
                                                          so why not rename this thread Leo Strengths? i don't know too many leo suns, there is my mom, my grandmom, and ex and a few friends. the one vibe all these leos had was optimism... even if they were being realistic there was always a dash of cheerfullness.

                                                          .... my mom likes to help people and is super generous. a good example is many years ago we had this older lady as a neighbor and she was going through tough times.. her daughter, son-in-law and 2 grandchildren moved into her home, they were not doing well financially. so my mom during christmas brought several presents for the 2 girls for the holidays... she does stuff like that all the time. It is true she can be pushy and want to be center of the group, but she has mercury conjunct pluto in leo 3rd house (gemini ascendant) ... lol.,

                                                          my grandmom was very to herself and introverted, not sure of her birth year. she was an extremely good business woman, and was very warm, but tried to hide it.

                                                          my ex was a bit of an ass, but hey he is my ex...oh boy... seriously he was very into himself... but i account that more to his dysfunctional childhood and relationship with his parents which really stunted his emotional growth/maturity.

                                                          I had 2 leo friends in college... both of them were always happy and liked to party. my roommate was very empathetic and whenever i was down he would always cheer me up, whether getting me out of the house, or giving me a nice card, or even some silly present to brighten my day.

                                                          so i say hooray for LEOS!!

                                                          lately people have been so angry and negative...maybe we should create some threads that discuss what we appreciate in other signs rather than what is wrong with them :-)
                                              • Re: Leo weakness

                                                Mon, May 18, 2009 - 2:48 PM
                                                Mantis how do you express your self creatively? Just curious...do you play an instrument, or like to sing?
                                                • Re: Leo weakness

                                                  Mon, May 18, 2009 - 4:08 PM
                                                  lol..I don't really. I have no talent. or maybe I repressed it into extinction.
                                                  • Re: Leo weakness

                                                    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 4:14 PM
                                                    I used to paint, but I was never any extraordinary talent. maybe imaginative. but my hands could scarcely catch up with my imagination. (or is it "to" my imagination? whatever.)

                                                    I also used to sing, which is a kind of frustrating subject for me...I basically just lost my voice. I think it may have something to do with this pretty abrupt weight loss, at 14. After that, I was never able to sing the way I did.
                                                    I remember before that, people were amazed at how well I could do some pretty difficult songs, like cranberries' "zombie", or four non blondes' "what's going on" .I was pretty good at mimicking voices. Now I'm only good at mimicking animal sounds. LOL
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              Re: Leo weakness

              Mon, May 18, 2009 - 11:28 AM
              You don't need to be hurt by that I said you were off _a bit_. But maybe I misinterpreted your post. But it's not that I disagree... ah, nevermind
  • Re: Leo weakness

    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:40 AM
    This is the first time that I have ever heard clumsiness attributed to Leo as a trait, and I find it odd. From the standpoint of the totem animal, the lion is not equated with awkwardness at all, quite the opposite as a skilled killer with a regal demeanor. Laziness ~ mentally and otherwise ~ sometimes ~ depends on what is or isn't motivating them. Gandiose plans ~ possibly, although the ones that I have known pretty much have set things in place and succeeded in making them happen, and usually in a very independent manner. Whatever anyone thinks of Madonna, you have to say that she is a shrewd and successful businesswoman, and there are any number of others _ Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Carl Jung, Coco Chanel, etc., etc., who definitely were able to actualize a plan or two. I don't think any of these people are noted for being clumsy, either.

    Vanity ~ yeah, I can certainly see what you dismiss, Joakim, as a more assignable characteristic, and certainly one that the sign has been noted for historically with some good reasons for doing so.
    • Re: Leo weakness

      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:41 AM
      But I have found that you have a pretty weird view of Sun Signs anyway.
      • Re: Leo weakness

        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:53 AM
        Perhaps this has gone too far. Can´t someone start a new topic called "Why we love the jungle-kitten"?
        • Re: Leo weakness

          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:58 AM
          Your thread, dude. Did finding out that sherpa is from Finland scare you Swedes off? No worries, though ~ he's a Scorpio. You can pick on the lions all you like.
        • Re: Leo weakness

          Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:00 AM
          "Perhaps this has gone too far. Can´t someone start a new topic called "Why we love the jungle-kitten"? "

          Lol

          It's always good to challenge the 'norms' of sun sign astrology.
    • Re: Leo weakness

      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 5:52 AM
      "Vanity ~ yeah, I can certainly see what you dismiss, Joakim, as a more assignable characteristic, and certainly one that the sign has been noted for historically with some good reasons for doing so."

      I actually think that Libra is more vain than Leo. Leo is more vocal about it maybe and often doesn't pretend to not be, unlike LIbra which can pretend not to care, and be just a regular Joe, whilst secretly spending a fortune on the latest cosmetics and brands.
      I don't think vain is the right word to use for Leo, it's not as much about how they look that concerns them, as much as how 'talented' they are or just naturally brillilant.
  • Re: LEO ~ DAMN IT!

    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:49 AM
    Can we get back to Leo bashing or loving or just Leo again?

    This is the first thread I have seen since I have been here that focuses on Leos and already it is totally about everything else. It is enough to make a lion RAWWWWWR!
  • Re: WAIT A MINUTE!

    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:26 AM
    There is something very, very wrong about a thread on Leo becoming a thread on sherpa. Very wrong. He has had his flings on the innumerable Scorpio threads. It just plain ISN'T FAIR!

    I am lodging an official protest to the Swedes for allowing this to happen. It is obviously all their fault.
  • Re: OH PLEASE!

    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:16 PM
    Let's not even pretend anymore that this is a LEO thread! Let's call it Anything But Leo. Many thanks.
    • Re: OH PLEASE!

      Tue, May 19, 2009 - 7:52 PM
      I have trouble understanding Leo Moons. No offense to any Leo moon out there, but from personal experience I notice some of the more negative Leo traits are almost enhanced or something. although prob depends on their other planets and aspects.

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