http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a8c92f26-fe26-4f3e-a9fd-ac15693d42bf >that he knows you better than you know yourself -- not just the Scorpio man, the Scorpio anything hahaha! sam.... :-) good one! steve, why does the pisces need to learn to be more selfish? or more like remember to be more selfish when situation calls for it? it's called evolution. we are placed within the zodiac to learn , why else try to figure out charts? what's the point of signs, houses, planets, aspects if not to learn about self in relation to self, in relation to others, in relation to the universe and then transform? Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:55:32 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a8c92f26-fe26-4f3e-a9fd-ac15693d42bf $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-07T15:55:32Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f837e192-bd49-41d4-a1e1-cea09033673f But you *can't* quit thinking about him, can you? Damn sexy-ass critters. (sigh) Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:06:23 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f837e192-bd49-41d4-a1e1-cea09033673f $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-07T15:06:23Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#d4e63a4a-791f-4cd9-9100-82d7f935e454 I can't agree with you more, Aaron. Very well put!! That is precisely why I told him what I thought of his *antics* and am choosing not to be a part of the drama he lives as his life. ~ Kali Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:11:41 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#d4e63a4a-791f-4cd9-9100-82d7f935e454 Kali 2006-06-07T02:11:41Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#71148815-808c-42d4-b27e-f8b6aaccf385 "I've read so much on Scorp's and to tell you all the truth, everything I've read is just as contridicting as they themselves are!! To chase....or not to chase...to let them chase....yet still show some sort of interest???? " Taken only for what it is, one opinion - scorpio / no scorpio / pisces / not pisces - whatever "sign" is less relevent than it being not worth wasting time with people that are not straight up with each other. At least for myself, wasting time with someone who is not interested in oneself and does not even bother replying to communication is - a waste of life, mutual respect & precious energy or attention in most circumstances. Such attention & devotion could better be expressed in ones own life, career, inner growth & ongoing explorations and with real friends who naturally enjoy relating, are into & care deeply about each other of our own volition. Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:40:31 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#71148815-808c-42d4-b27e-f8b6aaccf385 Aaron 2006-06-07T01:40:31Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#9e910191-26d5-43d8-b5e6-64d59a406011 "The Scorpio male opens up to and excited by the potential as fantasy but if he doesn't feel the fantasy is going beyond the mental plane, he may naturally be inclined to withdraw...Scorpio is driven by passion and there's only so much that the dry embrace of the internet can offer." I'd agree with Sherpa on this perspective. Though Ive made a few online connections with people myself ( though not of romantic intentions or kinds, more from shared interests or in response to interests inspired through tribe postings / perspectives,etc ), honestly the online personal communications dont do much for me. Though i enjoy sharing & relating ideas & perspectives, doing so really is subserviant or superfluous to actual direct immersion and sharing in each others energy fields in a way. Example, i was hanging out visiting with two good friends a few nights ago ( who also happen to both have strong water aspects - Pisces & Cancer suns, at least ) , and what was so enjoyable about it was the feeling connection shared. Far more than words. At times there would be moments of silence, and it was wonderful. Just existing / radiating there in a nearly invisible sea of mutual communion, respect, appreciation, interest & heartful rapport with each other. Online personal relationships - other than for arranging in person meetings, activities, or an additional avenue of communications to groups of people or with a friend i relate with directly in person and phone hellos, - isnt "real" or dimensional enough, at least for this "scorpionic / piscean" being. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:30:49 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#9e910191-26d5-43d8-b5e6-64d59a406011 Aaron 2006-06-06T21:30:49Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#93a47419-4891-4002-99b9-5308f3d79143 >>”Almost every person i know who powerfully attaches themselves to the Western Scorpio identity is like this.. a big, tough, persona that can figure you out better than anyone else,, blah blah,, yet very vulnerable and ready to cut and run as soon as you challenge their big ideas and put them to the test.. They either get pissed off or they cut you out of their life.. very weak - they are afraid of getting crushed and facing their fears.. of course the explanation is different.. many psychological strategies to distance themselves from this,, but that is the reason.”<< Again, I really agree with the vulnerability you describe, but not the paragraph above. NO one would ever call me a “big, tough persona who cuts and runs,” and I am attached to the Western Scorpio identity, since I am attached to my Western chart. I am not a big, tough persona. That’s hilarious. In fact, people often see me as gentle, shy, though they can usually tell (or find out later) that I am not a doormat/ pushover. I don’t “cut and run.” I have shocked many people by displays of both physical (rock climbing, river rafting, skiing) and emotional courage (honestly expressing extremely vulnerable feelings, exposing myself as a performer, confronting tough situations/ people where it would be easier to run), because I just don’t “seem” so “brave.” I’m not bragging, but I really do not run away from things; it’s vitally important for me not to do that and I really do surprise or shock people because I am so extremely vulnerable and sensitive that they can’t believe the scary/ difficult things I do. There is no one who knows me who would ever call me weak, as far as lacking courage and emotional strength--in fact, that would make them laugh! I AM afraid of getting crushed and facing my fears, but I always go ahead and face them anyway. I probably ran away from scary things in elementary school, but that seems absurd now. I’ve never cut anyone out of my life either, and I very rarely get truly “pissed off.” I also don’t mind if people challenge my big ideas; in fact, I often secretly find that kind of fun. I’m sure your description could fit many Scorpio-identifying people, but also people of many other sun signs. I do think Scorpio is a bit romanticized and needs to be rethought out by some people who prefer generalizations. I just needed to respond because I somewhat "identify with the Western Scorpio identity" and I just don't fit your description. That’s why I think astrology is an art, though--each person might interpret differently, Western or Vedic. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:19:26 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#93a47419-4891-4002-99b9-5308f3d79143 Nyx 2006-06-06T16:19:26Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#61f1e670-19c5-4a15-9da3-3f01b5b304bd Wow, this thread has really blossomed!! :P I'm reading all of these posts and kind of laughing to myself at how easily some people can become offended when a truth is laid before them....I don't know if it's lack of acceptance of that truth or if it is ego getting in the way. Anyhow, my point here is this...why should anyone just sit around and *be*? Why not make the most of this life and BE?? Really experience as much as this life has to offer. Walk in other's shoes, not just sit around and feel what it's like to be in your own...you already know that and by staying that way, you become stagnant. And, as I think we all know (not just us water signs), stagnant water starts to stink. As far as Scorpio men go, I've learned quite a bit in the last several days reading here and other threds as well as having some great discussions. I have come to my own conclusion, they are basically able to be the most caring, compassionate beings there are, however, that is only if they really choose to open up and to allow themselves to be outside of their own selves...which btw doesn't seem to be an easy task for them. ~ Kali Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:52:00 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#61f1e670-19c5-4a15-9da3-3f01b5b304bd Kali 2006-06-06T14:52:00Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#02665d49-164c-477c-8d8e-f7b2a38bf91e I met some beautiful male scorpian souls . It is what you do with what you have . Signs show tendencies but do not compell- I try to be more acceptence of who a person is . If it is a daisy I want, then why find fault with a rose bush. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:11:24 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#02665d49-164c-477c-8d8e-f7b2a38bf91e $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-06T14:11:24Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#31532a6b-5ba6-415e-85bc-183d2ff741b8 Ha ha ha Sherpa...always the scorpio. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:05:45 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#31532a6b-5ba6-415e-85bc-183d2ff741b8 kat 2006-06-06T14:05:45Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#8592fdc7-dbad-4003-8952-1070045b3d82 Christina, PS...oh you said "hard"...well, yes, as a Scorpio male that goes with the territory. LOL Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:41:03 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#8592fdc7-dbad-4003-8952-1070045b3d82 sherpa 2006-06-06T13:41:03Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#7171c509-b08d-442c-b4a8-54f7787dee4c Chritina It was difficult for the first few years when we were not "getting" all the quincunxes we shared (not just Scorp/Gem but others, as well) but that work has paid off as we continue growing together. It also helps that we are both accomplished artists exploring an ongoing series of solo and joint projects via our production company at http://www.verticalpool.com Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:38:42 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#7171c509-b08d-442c-b4a8-54f7787dee4c sherpa 2006-06-06T13:38:42Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#917f7114-f35e-4997-86f4-0685b27a316e He's at it again... Gemini is not the devil.....they can just sympathize with him perhaps more than any other sign. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:35:50 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#917f7114-f35e-4997-86f4-0685b27a316e $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-06T13:35:50Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#74255de2-9595-4282-b787-963eb89c2017 Short answer here - Scorpio men don't think - they FEEL, and bless heir hearts, their feelings are the most important thing - to them. Do you like roller coasters? If so, then hop on, and throw your hands in the air! Let go and go for it. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:27:36 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#74255de2-9595-4282-b787-963eb89c2017 Alicia 2006-06-06T13:27:36Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a5accf3d-6248-49df-b5f7-c42f0dda6fb7 Sherpa, is it hard to be a Scorpio sun and your partner a triple Gemini? it seems like a really hard relationship. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:12:44 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a5accf3d-6248-49df-b5f7-c42f0dda6fb7 Remi Love 2006-06-06T13:12:44Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f76f7267-afcf-46c8-8a8c-532b2557df15 well then the 49% of america is in trouble! Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:23:18 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f76f7267-afcf-46c8-8a8c-532b2557df15 wyoming 2006-06-06T08:23:18Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#35434cbd-de03-4b6c-bf73-f26363898966 why-oh... i know. my partner is triple gemini and she's more virtuous than me. maybe the devil is anyone who believes in the devil. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:10:17 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#35434cbd-de03-4b6c-bf73-f26363898966 sherpa 2006-06-06T08:10:17Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#08559861-84cd-4eb6-9c9f-a6b9b63ff563 ps. sherpa gems aren't the devil, we can't handle the commitment of eternal damnation and such. ;) Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:06:04 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#08559861-84cd-4eb6-9c9f-a6b9b63ff563 wyoming 2006-06-06T08:06:04Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a316ce4b-33c4-4f9a-82bb-919a59f59e66 I was just with a Cancer Sun person just the other day who spilled the beans Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:55:21 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a316ce4b-33c4-4f9a-82bb-919a59f59e66 sherpa 2006-06-06T07:55:21Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#edd76c06-5598-4ef8-9212-a88dc6826375 >>i've almost never noticed cancer spilling any beans. << cancers love to spill their beans to me :) Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:47:13 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#edd76c06-5598-4ef8-9212-a88dc6826375 wyoming 2006-06-06T07:47:13Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#7f774969-29ba-477e-9dbf-3b71229670b8 Scientific proof that Gemini is the devil. Examine the symbol of Mercury, Gemini's ruling planet, and you will notice a little stick figure human with horns! Surely this can be no mere coincidence. Wait, there's more! As we know, Mercury also represents the intellect and who here on tribe can say they have not been taunted, teased and yes, bedeviled by Mercury's penchant for over-thinking ?! When bedeviled by our intellects, we are all ensnared and entangled in a never-ending loop spinning through our psyches like a frenzied serpent chasing its own tail. It is also no accident that Gemini symbolizes the archetype of The Twins of our dual nature. And, as every Gemini knows in their vexed and twisted minds, there is a Good Twin and there is an Evil Twin. What Gemini has not secretly trembled with dread in the face of of eternal damnation ? Could these voices they hear be the clandestine whispers of a child of Satan ? The evidence is clear. To hammer the final nail in this coffin of scientific investigation, we must imagine an eerie movie soundtrack (perhaps like the entrance of an old Bela Lagosi Count Dracula flick) for what follows is nigh for the faint of heart. Gemini has become the devil by selling its own soul for an endless curiosity about the perpetual associations it finds between all the ideas in the whole wide world, a voracious appetite for data that turns Gemini into a fleet-footed hungry ghost roaming the earth for food that titilates more than it satisfies. As Gemini is taunted and teased by its eternal hunger, it in turn becomes the devil that taunts and teases with a sweet tooth for moody, brooding enigmatic Scorpios. Yeow! Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:32:44 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#7f774969-29ba-477e-9dbf-3b71229670b8 sherpa 2006-06-06T07:32:44Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#e6f21356-4ec6-4546-a6c8-e90137085258 "great Steve be yourself" well, yeah, and believe it or not, i do take a meal every now and then. but the fact is that I get along OK without trying to boost my taurus energy --not that i don't love taurus, i just think that I can get through this life without being a master of materialism (or whatever). and if i can't, i suppose that the next life will be coming soon enough. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:11:42 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#e6f21356-4ec6-4546-a6c8-e90137085258 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T07:11:42Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#65fd696c-99d0-4659-81a8-15dd03557057 . . . playing. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:02:16 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#65fd696c-99d0-4659-81a8-15dd03557057 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T07:02:16Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#bf1b9317-06c1-41e3-ad21-e58ccc97a2bb "be a shining example to us all!" sorry, too busy. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:00:48 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#bf1b9317-06c1-41e3-ad21-e58ccc97a2bb stevo diVino 2006-06-06T07:00:48Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f7a7407c-3393-4d42-a123-2439514946bd "one life at a time "dude" . . . what's the rush? ever hear of BEING? I'm here to familiarize myself with the peculiarities of this life . . . or is there a prescribed ladder that the gods have ordered me to climb by a certain date? if so, fuck the gods :)" great Steve,, be yourself -- don't ever eat or speak (2nd house) -- play or experiement (3rd house) -- seek confort or closesness (4th house) create anything (5th ouse) -- improve and woirk hard (6th house) find a partner (7th house) etc.. be a shining example to us all! Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:52:44 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f7a7407c-3393-4d42-a123-2439514946bd Sadasiva 2006-06-06T06:52:44Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#78270dbd-1330-411a-9efe-63ee4460938b "a big, tough, persona that can figure you out better than anyone else,, blah blah" i don't know if scorpio can figure people out better than anyone else, but because it bothers and chooses to, it seems to get to the bottom of a pile of shit faster and more often than the other signs. i'm not sure why some people choose to see that as glamorous. Are you sure that you're not just envious of our reputation in bed? Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:52:18 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#78270dbd-1330-411a-9efe-63ee4460938b stevo diVino 2006-06-06T06:52:18Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#d2209d83-addb-4f6c-a312-957c77437d80 "a person who, like you suggest, just stays more like a pisces, will be neglecting other areas of life -- there are 12 houses and signs dude.. we are trying to integrate them all,, that is why we don;t just sit around be ourselves.. we meet people, and work and play games and do things.. this is life in the chart " one life at a time "dude" . . . what's the rush? ever hear of BEING? I'm here to familiarize myself with the peculiarities of this life . . . or is there a prescribed ladder that the gods have ordered me to climb by a certain date? if so, fuck the gods :) Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:44:31 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#d2209d83-addb-4f6c-a312-957c77437d80 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T06:44:31Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#abe7b109-7376-4d3a-80b0-7507894de9ce "pluto as lord comes later and all of the romaniized pop astrology that follows -- c'mon you can see that - can't you?" consciousness may have expanded slightly over the past few milleniums . . . it may have expanded with the discovery of pluto, but who can say for sure? "this is pushing your buttons huh steve?" wasn't that your intention? what would you like to prove by inviting the scorpios to come out and try to cut you up? there are easier ways to get laid. btw, i've heard that the moon doesn't sit very well in scorpio, and what's neptune? Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:40:01 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#abe7b109-7376-4d3a-80b0-7507894de9ce stevo diVino 2006-06-06T06:40:01Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#b15e80e5-ef2e-432e-b5a2-cfa7a7e8d67d how is acknowledging thtat we are ll 12 signs being homogenous? just the opposite? -- time to get out of Sun sign astrology -- we are all the planets and all the signs and all the houses -- we suffer when these things are weak in us -- thrying to overcompensate with a planet that does not do that job or a sign that does not feel that way is why we make mistakes.. for instance if mars is strong and venus is weak, we will use mars to fulfill our desires and bring havoc onto those around us beause Venus is the planets who best fulfills our desires, by thinking of others as much as ourselves, by being courteous etc. If mercury is strong and jupiter is weak we will lack long term vision and purpose, just living for momentary stimulation -- same with signs, etc. They are all there either lit up and healthy or not . If Sorpio is lit up, this will be the challenge, but even if planets are not there, the sign is.. Just beause you have no planets in taurus, the sign still falls somewhere in your chart and refers to a part of your life the YOU CANNOT AVOID OR ESCAPE.. if you try you will suffer. which will force you to face it. - areas ofour life taht mess up are those unintegrated signs and houses.. a person who, like you suggest, just stays more like a pisces, will be neglecting other areas of life -- there are 12 houses and signs dude.. we are trying to integrate them all,, that is why we don;t just sit around be ourselves.. we meet people, and work and play games and do things.. this is life in the chart Our problem is we wear out strong planet and signs and try to use them for everything instead of what they are supposed to be used for all the while avoiding the weakenesses.. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:35:49 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#b15e80e5-ef2e-432e-b5a2-cfa7a7e8d67d Sadasiva 2006-06-06T06:35:49Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#ab11cd97-5954-4e92-8690-00ab955f9165 ""the nature of scorpio i am stating is not vedic or western -- they originate from the same system " "I think that is why this sign has been romanticized to death in Western Pop Astrology - western scorpio astrologers. Almost every person i know who powerfully attaches themselves to the Western Scorpio identity is like this.. a big, tough, persona that can figure you out better than anyone else,, blah blah,," So, does it or does it not carry the same meaning in both systems? "i could pick on every sign, but Scorpio is the most mismanaged of them all that is have seen consistently -- IMO" Is it possible that scorpio doesn't happen to aspect very comfortably with your own chart? hide" ---------------------------------------- they originate from the same system -- mars as lord, etc. pluto as lord comes later and all of the romaniized pop astrology that follows -- c'mon you can see that - can't you? I have moon and neptune in scorp in my fifth .. very strong for me steve.. i know the Scorpio psych games well - that's why i am saying it ... this is pushing your buttons huh steve? Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:25:00 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#ab11cd97-5954-4e92-8690-00ab955f9165 Sadasiva 2006-06-06T06:25:00Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#179f9f20-2786-45ab-8818-f7cb9757fa5e "so go ahead guys -- all of you Sorpios come out and cut me up now!" rolling my eyes. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:22:21 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#179f9f20-2786-45ab-8818-f7cb9757fa5e stevo diVino 2006-06-06T06:22:21Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#be0a2c3e-ec53-442c-9f72-12f148b500f5 BTW - EVERYONE IS ALL 12 SIGNS !! -- WHEN I SPEAK OF SCORPIO OR ANY OTHER SIGN - I AM SPEAKING OF A QUALITY OF EVERYONE!! -- yeah, but some of us have more of some signs than others . . . I have taurus in my chart, but it's not activated by any planets. it still sounds like (and i'm not singling you out here) a lot of astrologers believe that the end game is to become homogenous. maybe the END game is, but who wants the game to END? Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:20:15 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#be0a2c3e-ec53-442c-9f72-12f148b500f5 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T06:20:15Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#4a382763-da39-48c8-9d12-5326a43baa75 "the nature of scorpio i am stating is not vedic or western -- they originate from the same system " "I think that is why this sign has been romanticized to death in Western Pop Astrology - western scorpio astrologers. Almost every person i know who powerfully attaches themselves to the Western Scorpio identity is like this.. a big, tough, persona that can figure you out better than anyone else,, blah blah,," So, does it or does it not carry the same meaning in both systems? "i could pick on every sign, but Scorpio is the most mismanaged of them all that is have seen consistently -- IMO" Is it possible that scorpio doesn't happen to aspect very comfortably with your own chart? Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:13:59 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#4a382763-da39-48c8-9d12-5326a43baa75 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T06:13:59Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#23d4991a-858a-4e37-be96-69a2b79c54bd "another astrologer suggesting that a sign should be other than it is, but this time you border on bashing sam. More compassion and less analysis?" by the way - i am not suggesting a sign be something other than it is -- i hear Scorpios delaring themselves to be compassionate alot -- they have the seed but in order to do it they need to analyze people less and the compassion will follow.. that was my point. Analyzing someone instead of listening with your heart is not ompassionate - Scorpio energy can easily miss thiss because it is so innate to them. BTW - EVERYONE IS ALL 12 SIGNS !! -- WHEN I SPEAK OF SCORPIO OR ANY OTHER SIGN - I AM SPEAKING OF A QUALITY OF EVERYONE!! -- sorry to shout -- have fun with this,.. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:10:27 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#23d4991a-858a-4e37-be96-69a2b79c54bd Sadasiva 2006-06-06T06:10:27Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#7feece81-b4c2-4013-9e3f-a788b72e9bd8 who me Steve?,.. Me Bash,.. ? never!!! Scorpio is so romantiized here and in Western Astrology -- once in a whole a little reality check is in order - so go ahead guys -- all of you Sorpios come out and cut me up now! Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:05:48 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#7feece81-b4c2-4013-9e3f-a788b72e9bd8 Sadasiva 2006-06-06T06:05:48Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#9dcffeac-d6f8-4309-b795-6c9152c3560c maybe pisces doesn't want to learn self determination --maybe it's trying to learn surrender. sure, we can always virgo out when we're scxared, but so what? does that prove something or make us "better" people., or just anal? and i've almost never noticed cancer spilling any beans. I dunno, sometimes it seems like a lot of astrologers' goals are to have us all be very boring people. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:05:06 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#9dcffeac-d6f8-4309-b795-6c9152c3560c stevo diVino 2006-06-06T06:05:06Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f98f1787-343a-4fe7-946b-4ec367a0569d hi nancy, "though I can't say I could accept a vedic version of my chart as fitting me better--after all, I'd certainly have lots of Libra and I 'm no Libra" this is not the way to look at that Nancy -- the "vedic view" cannot be encapsulated so easily -- believe me the vedic view would be just as accurate as the western if a pro did it, but that was not my point -- the nature of scorpio i am stating is not vedic or western -- they originate from the same system Scorpio energy is fixed water, gathering, holding and possibly stuck in their emotions -- just like the other fixed signs gater and hold thoughts (aquarius) - Inspirations (Leo) or resirces (taurus) - - The animal signs are very important - the three water signs are all either crustaceans or fish,, the most ancient creatures, unchanged by time and evolution.,. (rather than mammals or people like the ther signs) these more evolved animals are also less connected to certain core truths .. this is the symbol of involution shown by these signs -- the most ancient, the more primitive AND the closest to the source. Opposite of this are the Air signs, the furthest from the core truth, in the head, yet also the most easiest to be worldly, fair minded and balanced .. -- water signs can feel themslve to be closest to god, due to the overpowering nature of the emotions to overide our intelligence, that is why even though their is deep sensitivity and vulnerability, there is an equal amount of self absortion with water signs .. their projected psychic energy is a barrier to feelign others,, rather than simply experience others many water signs (especially scorpio) have to figure out what they really mean and psychically project all of their stuff.. manage anothers feelings as a way to avoid their own. figure out another as way to avoid thier own confusion. first and foremost it must be remembered that Scorpio is ruled by Mars, Mars reflecting upon itself. Pluto comes later -- and refers to a POSSIBILITY -- just like all outer planets -- Aries is mArs projected externally, giving physical courage Scorpio is Mars reflected, giving emotional courage. How do they DEVELOPE emotional courage? - by strengthening their vulnerabilities. remeber this, every other animal in the Zodiac could rush a scorpion very easily -- they are just a little bug with a stinger that does not even kill anything except smaller insects. They are the most easily crushed emotionally of all the signs. I think that is why this sign has been romanticized to death in Western Pop Astrology - western scorpio astrologers. Almost every person i know who powerfully attaches themselves to the Western Scorpio identity is like this.. a big, tough, persona that can figure you out better than anyone else,, blah blah,, yet very vulnerable and ready to cut and run as soon as you challenge their big ideas and put them to the test.. They either get pissed off or they cut you out of their life.. very weak - they are afraid of getting crushed and facing their fears.. of course the explanation is different.. many psychological strategies to distance themselves from this,, but that is the reason. I am not just picking on Scorpio, i could pick on every sign, but Scorpio is the most mismanaged of them all that is have seen consistently -- IMO Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:02:45 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f98f1787-343a-4fe7-946b-4ec367a0569d Sadasiva 2006-06-06T06:02:45Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#b6469415-f8c1-4540-b8c2-3085a5d5f342 another astrologer suggesting that a sign should be other than it is, but this time you border on bashing sam. More compassion and less analysis? Why not just breed a pisces/gemini hybrid, or banish scorpio to another galaxy? in another thread someone was suggesting that pisces should be more selfish. Next thing we know, somebody's going to ask gemini to have more soul, or sag to stop laughing so much, or cancer to stop taking everything so seriously. Let's play musical signs :) do you really think that scorpio is deceiving, or is it revealing things that others might not want to see? in any event, i haven't noticed that scorpio is being deified, lusted after perhaps, but hardly deified. and which is it, vulnerable or hard shelled and enduring? Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:57:45 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#b6469415-f8c1-4540-b8c2-3085a5d5f342 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T05:57:45Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#aa15ee1f-ede3-4ee7-9869-01aa02456917 Wow, that's an interesting take, Sam--that Scorpio is the sign where we feel MOST vulnerable! Wow. Well, I would kind of agree (though I can't say I could accept a vedic version of my chart as fitting me better--after all, I'd certainly have lots of Libra and I 'm no Libra). But the vulnerability statement I really relate to. Everyone is always trying to cast Scorpio as one of the big "toughies" of the zodiac, and omitting the unbelievable vulnerbility of the sign. I think Scorpio is extremely strong emotionally, and often analytically, but I think the emotional strength actually comes from being so extremely sensitive and vulnerable. When your emotions are so powerful, and you feel everything so deeply, you either grow and become stronger, or you buckle. I think Scorpio is more vulnerable, as a sign, than Cancer or Pisces. Why else would Scorpio have the death-like fear of showing their emotions? At least Cancer eventually starts spilling the beans, and Pisces is usually pretty open. Still waters run deep and make one vulnerable. I really like your idea of Scorpio as the most vulnerable part of us. The tough as nails Scorpio image often gets to me, as it's too one-dimensional. Strength comes from not only adversity but vulnerability! Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:32:58 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#aa15ee1f-ede3-4ee7-9869-01aa02456917 Nyx 2006-06-06T05:32:58Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#90350432-343f-4893-92d4-d5c1fb9320ee Re: What's that Scorpio man thinking??? that he knows you better than you know yourself -- not just the Scorpio man, the Scorpio anything -- they need to realize that everyone has intuition and intelligence, not just them - they need to realize that their emotional drama and intenstiy is usually just that and nothing more - and that there is nothing more important or meaningful about it than anything else - more compassion and less analysis goes very far. Hopefully Western astrology and astrologers will do their part to stop deifying this sign beyond all use -- the eagle, the phoenix, the snake, the (whatever) how about the little bug,, because that is what a Scorpion is,, by far the smallest and most vulnerable animal of the Zodiac creatures.. everyone has Scorpio somewhere - it is the sign where we feel the most vulnerable and may fearfully fall back on protective strategies and manipulation - deceiving ourselves and others until we get the courage to just face the vulnerabilities honestly. there is nothing inglorious about this tough little creature - with a hard shell and endurance like no other -- Insects are the most adaptable ultiamtely and very tough .. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:51:34 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#90350432-343f-4893-92d4-d5c1fb9320ee Sadasiva 2006-06-06T04:51:34Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#2626b944-8d2b-4248-a057-1faf9ac4023d Birth charts are holistic...every sign is represented in a birth chart and in that person. So the polarity points (opposite signs) are very important, as well. Example...a Pisces still has to develop its opposite traits - Virgo (healthy discrimination and participation in life, paying attention to details, practicality, analytical traits, keeping oneself healthy in a holistic way, etc.) Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:29:14 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#2626b944-8d2b-4248-a057-1faf9ac4023d $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-06T04:29:14Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#c23e8441-7a32-4d5e-af27-a77bf581a85e Pisces needs to learn self-preservation...so a stronger sense of self is necessary. No one goes down with anyone else's ship these days. Dig? That's what moving out of the Pisces Age and into the Aquarian Age is about...everyone takes responsibility for his/her own life/crap/wounds/behaviour, etc. No one "saves" anyone else. And universal love starts taking the form of boundaries and truth that make people face themselves and step into personal responsibility. So instead of the old way of Pisces (loving and forgiving people to the point that it enables the dysfunction), we now stop doing that and make people fix their own crap, so to speak. To not do that is to drain oneself...and if a person is drained and exhausted, he or she can't help anyone...like Kali says. You can't drain your source to help anyone else. In this particular case, Saturn in Aries is the symbol that shows a particular need for a more developed/structured sense of self. That's her karmic challenge for this lifetime. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:24:41 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#c23e8441-7a32-4d5e-af27-a77bf581a85e $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-06T04:24:41Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#571bc53d-aa86-43fc-9c1a-ad4ad28d6a54 Scorpio, on the other hand . . . Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:18:39 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#571bc53d-aa86-43fc-9c1a-ad4ad28d6a54 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T03:18:39Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#ac23c1e2-f337-46ab-8c11-e782a435b32e Unless a chart is dominated by one sign, balance (or something like it) needn't be achieved by any one sign. And I don't think that pisces needs to be bothered with distinguishing between positive and negative. It all comes out in the wash. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:17:29 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#ac23c1e2-f337-46ab-8c11-e782a435b32e stevo diVino 2006-06-06T03:17:29Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#3576ba4e-0baa-41e9-9238-9164cb0cd630 **I don't judge selfishness as being positive or negative . . . nor do I think that the traits of the signs need to be overcome, but rather we might refine and make the most of them.** I agree with that to a point. Refine the positive and learn from the negative. Although, both are needed in order to have a well-rounded individual. No one wants a mushy gushy person all of the time just as no one wants a negative asshole all of the time...it's about balance. Now, selfishness with Pisces...it's also about balance. Knowing when to think of ones self and when to let everyone else come first. ~ Kali Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:05:15 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#3576ba4e-0baa-41e9-9238-9164cb0cd630 Kali 2006-06-06T03:05:15Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f0ac8fcd-c0fe-484b-9b34-b8dbce48094b I don't judge selfishness as being positive or negative . . . nor do I think that the traits of the signs need to be overcome, but rather we might refine and make the most of them. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:57:50 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f0ac8fcd-c0fe-484b-9b34-b8dbce48094b stevo diVino 2006-06-06T02:57:50Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#75e87cfa-cdb8-4a8b-a755-9419f115fd76 sorry, it just always puzzles me why so many astrologers council signs to be unlike themselves. Should Leo be less self-centered? Is everyone mis-incarnated? I don't think so. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:54:35 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#75e87cfa-cdb8-4a8b-a755-9419f115fd76 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T02:54:35Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#15fd7d4c-b394-4cce-a209-a28172c01239 In order to gain self support and in turn be able to help that many more souls...support has to start at the source, otherwise the source gets drained and then there is no help for anyone. I think you may be thinking of selfish in a bad way...it doesn't have to be negative. ~ Kali Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:54:29 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#15fd7d4c-b394-4cce-a209-a28172c01239 Kali 2006-06-06T02:54:29Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#e5eaab96-2900-4382-882a-f9e977a9b9e6 why should pisces learn to be more selfish? . . . seems rather un-piscean! Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:51:09 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#e5eaab96-2900-4382-882a-f9e977a9b9e6 stevo diVino 2006-06-06T02:51:09Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#78a08d2b-8ac4-443a-846e-5c0a4b59bc6d I'm sorry, it was *they don't want to have us be all over them*, I was meaning intellectually and emotionally, sure they love attention, but not if they have to expose themselves for it. ~ Kali Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:37:11 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#78a08d2b-8ac4-443a-846e-5c0a4b59bc6d Kali 2006-06-05T22:37:11Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#e1711fa8-24f7-45f0-94b9-b07b331d2b9a Yes...yes...and yes again. I can't agree more!! The only thing I'm not so sure about is dating a Gemini...arrgh...I've been friends with plenty of them and they just rub me the wrong way sometimes. Also, I wasn't even looking for anyone when he came along. I was very content being alone for now and learning more about myself before getting into another relationship. Anyway...I believed that he was of the more evolved persuasion, but I am now seriously doubting that as he has changed suit so quickly it's crazy. I guess the point I'm at now, is this...I want to have him in my life, if only has a friend to help him through things. I would like to have it be more but am not willing to play the games to possibly get to that point with him. I would just like him to know that he can trust me and come to talk to me about anything, however, it doesn't seem that easy with most Scorps as they tend to be suspicious of anyone stating their intentions. If it's meant to be, the universe will take the energy that I have sent out and turn it into whatever it needs to be for him and I to learn from, if it's not meant to be...that just means that I have to live with it and be okay, done it before, can do it again. Not to say that it won't hurt. As far as me saying that Scorps don't want to feel like they *have* the object of their desire, I meant that they seem to thrill in the chase...therefore once the chase is *over* in their mind, so is the desire. Not to say that this is how it is with all of them, but with the less evolved types for sure. I am very much in need of knowing what is happening in a relationship and if the other person isn't willing to demonstrate that, it won't last for me. I will get hurt, then I will get angry, then I will close off, then it's just over. Thanks again for all of the thoughts and advice...much appreciated. ~ Kali Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:35:33 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#e1711fa8-24f7-45f0-94b9-b07b331d2b9a Kali 2006-06-05T22:35:33Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#2a9a9b56-7527-4b5c-a64a-c1d97292c2de Right...it's his process. But the question is at what level does the Pisces want to participate? In order to participate at a level where she won't be needlessly hurt, she needs to be 100% aware of his motivations, his behaviour patterns, as well as her own...what is TRULY going on there. And she needs to hold them both accountable for how they participate in the drama. Spiritual love and romantic love can be intermixed in a confusing way for Pisces...so she needs boundaries and to make sure she is staying true to her own needs and wants (Saturn in Aries). Her challenges are definitely to develop her own sense of self and to stand up for and go after what she wants. But it would be much less hurtful and draining if she learned that through her own process...not through his...which is, happily, what she is trying to do. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:26:47 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#2a9a9b56-7527-4b5c-a64a-c1d97292c2de $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T21:26:47Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#86694379-fb72-43c1-a93a-1bafcec9249d ps - my last remark is to be taken with a dash of sarcasm. forgot the silly emoticon thingie... ;-) Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:09:15 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#86694379-fb72-43c1-a93a-1bafcec9249d $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T21:09:15Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#5a9117e5-a249-46ec-8022-09fcef880a10 those dramas are about core-level awareness, emotional healing, integration.....of the various stages of the self. still, it's about the self. now, i've only known maybe 3 scorpio males in my life that are not so self centered...however to say that they do what they do 'unselfishly' i would have to pause and differ. i think there will always be a selfish motivation for them to do what they do othwise they would not be scorpios. now pisces on the other hand....they need to learn to be more sel-fish indeed! ;-) what a great way to learn then from a scropio. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:06:51 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#5a9117e5-a249-46ec-8022-09fcef880a10 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T21:06:51Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f1284fdd-d6f2-420f-a58f-0ff645e77119 When the Scorpionic dramas cease, that energy is directed towards core-level self-awareness and emotional healing...which brings about true evolutionary transformation. These people can then become a conscious and potent healing force for others. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:52:42 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f1284fdd-d6f2-420f-a58f-0ff645e77119 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T20:52:42Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#5ec5ffe7-d57a-4f49-a54b-6cb1f88b5c20 regarding power over others, that's just an illusion, no one has actually any real power over anyone, altho they sure like to think so! question for all: when the scropio ends the 'never ending dramas' what is left? in my experienc(es) it's been only about the dramas, they are the death/rebirth cycle they feed on.... Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:47:58 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#5ec5ffe7-d57a-4f49-a54b-6cb1f88b5c20 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T20:47:58Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#2610e514-b2fb-4dc5-902d-e334e6082b7e True...your moons are square by sign (Gemini - Pisces)...so your emotional needs are at odds. Tense aspect. It would take a healthy connection to make that work. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:46:02 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#2610e514-b2fb-4dc5-902d-e334e6082b7e $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T20:46:02Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#919807c7-38d5-44da-8b3f-0af964205776 I also just noticed that he has Saturn in Pisces...also Moon in Pisces. So karmic lessons of the Piscean variety related to his emotional state. I would say you are there to teach him about his connection to the whole...that his emotionally wounded behaviour has an effect not only on you but on the collective consciousness in general. It's all one heart - his broken heart is your broken heart is everyone's broken heart. Healing himself and interacting with people from a healthy place will be beneficial to himself and to the collective...continuing the wounded/wounding emotional patterns and games will not. Right now, he is acting from an isolated place of fear...not one of love. You know about universal love because you're a Pisces...you also know about forgiveness...something he may need to remember. So right now, you're a karmic foil. :) Doesn't mean these issues can't be cleared away, but you know what's going on. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:43:06 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#919807c7-38d5-44da-8b3f-0af964205776 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T20:43:06Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#da0f91b1-22db-4722-aed2-0fc7fd40a1c8 scorp sun/pisces moon?as a pisces sun (having a double scorpio x in my past) this guy's gonna be as mysterious as it gets. i'd say go for a gemini if you enjoy a lot of intellectual stimulation/communication....i doubt you will get too many responses out of this one. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:33:29 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#da0f91b1-22db-4722-aed2-0fc7fd40a1c8 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T20:33:29Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#ee7755a2-f25b-4f5d-8615-4cd6307b6a9e Scorps make great partners only when they are healthy enough to cut the dramatics and be responsible with their power over others. If they aren't, the control games can go on endlessly...and someone with Pisces Sun/Gemini Moon would be very succeptible to getting hurt by these games. Scorps can use impressionability for their own ends without thinking about how they are hurting the other person. I think she's looking for a real connection, not cat and mouse games that get nowhere. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:31:05 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#ee7755a2-f25b-4f5d-8615-4cd6307b6a9e $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T20:31:05Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#9b0304d6-a55c-43de-8caf-e8dae67a2eb3 Oh dear - well I commend you for not allowing yourself to be drawn into his web. : ) Even tho I'm sure he's just testing you. You said something about them not wanting you to "be all over them". Do you really think this is true? They *Love* attention!!! However, I'm interested in a Scorp. Moon - Aqua. Sun! Challenging combo I must say. Well, do take care but I highly suggest you contact him again (I'm pretty sure they're incredible partners) if you find yourself missing or thinking about him... but I guess if you're not into the "games" you may have to let go completely. Ok peace : ) Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:17:12 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#9b0304d6-a55c-43de-8caf-e8dae67a2eb3 Denise 2006-06-05T20:17:12Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#ffd5755b-7107-45c7-b2d6-9b72419d6e15 Well, you already have the insight you need in this situation from past experience, so just take it step-by-step...verrrrry slowly. Make sure of each step closer you take to him, and hold him and yourself accountable. Healing does not happen overnight, and the first step for him is to face himself and his wounds, including the wounded behaviour he is exhibiting towards you. If he can't do that honestly, he is in no place for a relationship. The things to watch out for with Scorps is that their need to merge deeply with another person is so strong that they have a tendancy to skip steps...so he would believe himself to be ready before he actually is. Scorpionic emotional wounds are very tricky in that the person can convince themselves that they are ready before they are because they WANT it so badly...but wanting it doesn't make it right, unfortunately. So be fully aware of his tendancy to rush to intimacy and hold back if it doesn't feel right to you. Follow your own lead, not his. I think focussing on the polarity of Scorpio might be helpful - Taurus. We just had a looooong transit of Mars in Taurus to help us understand the importance of grounding things in the material world. So your relationship should unfold in the "real world" to balance off the emotional/spiritual connection you guys have. If it can stand up to that pressure, it has a chance. If it can't, you might just be his Piscean therapist friend...it depends whether you want that role. I'm sure you've had it before...just make sure you don't get burned this time by leading yourself to believe it's more than what it is because that HURTS. :) Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:16:50 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#ffd5755b-7107-45c7-b2d6-9b72419d6e15 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T20:16:50Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#de44a79d-506e-4dac-96f9-6796e0e4d91d Willow... Thank you, you truely have a gift with words and understanding. I see what you're meaning here and how it pertains to this particular situation. Yes, I still want to be there for him...to help him by being supportive, but at the same time I know that I am not getting what I need from this relationship and he isn't in the place to give it to me, obviously. As a Pisces/Sun I have been there way too many times to go there again, thankfully age has given me some wisdom!! I told him in the last letter that I am here as a friend once he climbs out of his shit, and will be there 'til the end. I also made it very clear to him that other than that, I'm done right now. Can I stick to this, time will tell. I'm pretty sure I can, afterall once my anger gets flowing my loving emotions take backseat. Now, the question I still have is, when do I know that it's safe to give those emotions again, if he so deserves it. I'm thinking (on gut feeling) that it would be best to wait 'til he has earned my trust back by working for it and also we get a chance to meet in person face to face and go from there. Until then, I kind of feel like it's a waste of my time. Thanks again...I really appreciate your wisdom and insight more than I can say. ~ Kali Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:58:48 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#de44a79d-506e-4dac-96f9-6796e0e4d91d Kali 2006-06-05T19:58:48Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a0105d25-08d5-459c-b276-a5b187267a47 You did the right thing...with your Saturn in Aries, your lessons are to stand up for yourself and to go after what YOU want...not to worry about the other person's wants, needs, hang-ups, etc. With a Pisces sun, you are universally accepting of people's faults and foibles and love them anyway, but this is also the way that you can sabotage yourself and get used by other people...being TOO loving and forgiving. Remember that people have to love back. They have to work just as hard for you as you would for them. You pouring love into a situation and not getting what you need or want back is the way to end up drained and exhausted. The thing about Scorp energy is that it can be incredibly cruel in an unhealed state. Scorpio has been hurt before (since this sign is about deep, core-level emotional healing and tranformation), but they often use these unhealed hurts as an excuse to control people and dish out hurt in really passive aggressive ways - reeling you in, then pushing you away, reeling you in, pushing you away. It's a control game for them...if they control the level of involvement and intimacy, they believe that they will stop themselves from getting hurt again. They are in the "driver's seat," so to speak. At the same time, they crave deep intimacy and connection with another person...and always will. But they also realize the power that gives another over them...because they've been hurt through their intimate connections before. So this is what you're seeing with the attraction/repulsion, does he/doesn't he stuff. It's a classic case of what nourishes me also destroys me. Scorpios go through cycles of destruction and regeneration throughout life...that's just the way it is. It's not your responsibility to heal him, save him, love him through it, etc. It's his karma...what he signed up for. He's here to heal himself and transform these baser behaviours. So you are smart not to enmesh yourself in his stuff at this point. Just stick to your guns! No matter what. Listen to your own guidance. Pisces has a tendancy to want to save and redeem, but you can't at this point. He is playing out his own lessons and games, and what he is doing with you is a defense mechanism he is using so he doesn't have to go to the root of his issues. Right now, you're just a karmic foil for him. That doesn't mean that he can't do his work and start a healthy relationship...it just means that at this point, he isn't. Fear is what is driving the Scorp to control in this way, and it's not healthy for you to be involved at a romantic level. Another thing about Scorpios is that they can read people right down to their core. Because he is in an unhealed state, he is using what he picks up from you to control you and the contact between you...very unsatisfying for you. With a Gemini moon, communication is extremely important to your emotional health...especially regular contact. I'm sure he senses this, and that is why he is using communication in this way - withdrawing contact on his whim, using riddles to keep you at an arm's length, etc. It's hurtful to you, and he knows it...maybe not consciously, but he does. Scorps love the idea that someone will go down to the depths with them...go to hell with them, die for them...they're very extreme in that way. And Pisces energy is willing to do that (Jesus died on the cross for us, etc.). I'm sure he knows that at least subconsciously and is attracted to it. But you have to also be aware of your own tendancy to do this and take control of yourself in the situation. It isn't going to do anyone any good for you to get absorbed into his wounds. There is nothing you can do about it. He has to take responsibility for them and get healthy. So yes, arm's length friendship is the best thing you can do right now. He will try the games to reel you back in, perhaps, but don't let him fool you. Watch the dynamics between you two very carefully. Don't get sucked in...cuz water on water can get so enmeshed that it ends up a giant mess from which to extricate yourself. If you actually do have an interest in helping him to get to the bottom of his wounds/problems, good for you. I'm sure he wants someone in his life who is willing to do that. But your first allegiance has to be to yourself. Don't fall into his "poor me, I've been hurt so many times" routine. We all have. And we all have to take responsibility for our own wounds...rather than passing them on and continuing the cycle. You're a smart woman. Stay true to it, and don't get sucked in. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:29:59 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a0105d25-08d5-459c-b276-a5b187267a47 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T19:29:59Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#045585ec-0a5a-40d5-9f00-3e8730c4f474 So, I decided I'm not into *game playing* and sent him a new e-mail telling him that it is no longer his choice what happens, that I'm taking the reigns since he obviously can't handle them and MY choice is that we are friends and nothing more. I told him that I have never groveled at anyone's feet and I'm not starting with him. I also told him that I am here for him as a friend once he comes out of whatever shit he is in right now. and signed it sweetly as...*your friend always*.... I have never been one to play games, I like upfront honesty and it doesn't seem as though he can handle that. I really wish I knew where the *him* that I met and got to know and care about...went. If he returns, great, if we make something good out of it, even better...am I going to sit around and waste my life on someone that can't be open with me...HELL NO!! I really appreciate all of the insight on here. I took all of it into consideration and then decided what I was and was not willing to put up with and made my move from there...now it's his choice to win me over and to change my mind if he wants anything more. *pats self on back* I'm actually very proud that I stood up to him like that. Oh and the beating up on him and all, it's kind of funny, I had sent him a few e-mails with very little to mostly no response, then about a week ago I sent him a nasty ass e-mail stating that I saw him as a fake and liar and just a plain ol' piece of shit...I was AMAZED how quickly he opened up after that one, but did I learn right away, No, I didn't, I sent him more sweet letters of undying devotion and where did it get me, NOWHERE..Scorpsters just need to feel that chase and that game and that *I know I can have you yet don't want you all over me*, game...right there in their face. No games, just honesty and honestly, it pisses me off and he's going to be the loser in the end! Okay then...*deep breath* ~ Kali Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:12:12 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#045585ec-0a5a-40d5-9f00-3e8730c4f474 Kali 2006-06-05T07:12:12Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#cc3ddeae-bf2c-4383-a46c-af0d786877fa lol...this is a very interesting thread Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:52:35 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#cc3ddeae-bf2c-4383-a46c-af0d786877fa ed 2006-06-05T03:52:35Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#d92bd9e1-78dc-471c-9b94-66e8cd314cc3 You wrote him an honest email and left the options open and up to him. what more can I guy ask from a woman than honesty, and devotion. The ball is in his court -give him some time to respond and see what happens. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:34:17 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#d92bd9e1-78dc-471c-9b94-66e8cd314cc3 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-05T03:34:17Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#b8472c72-addf-425d-96db-92e635226fd9 ...I know a quad Scorpy who's much like this. He seems disappointed when I act sensitive and "pleasant" like. He keeps incinuating he needs his "lessons" ; ) Maybe try harassing this guy a bit - prod into him about his behaviour. I guess you don't really want to falsify your responses but the only sure way to lose him is to shy off.... if of course he's anything like most of the Scorpios I've known. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:24:47 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#b8472c72-addf-425d-96db-92e635226fd9 Denise 2006-06-05T03:24:47Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a4ec3609-8839-4dd3-9f11-702f6abdb8fd i was reading somewhere that scorpio types, likes to get teased. i have a scorpio moon...when females are nicey nice like to me that means they want something, and out of habit i say no lets just be friends or something, my partner is different thats probably why i like her, she tells me that im rude, arrogant, selfish, center of the universe and not in a good way, she gives me the fingers when im saying good bye, hits me and kicks my ass and not in a pleasurable kinda way (but secretly i enjoy the "intensity")...she figured out that im a sadist or u know, those crazy people that likes pain in all its forms.. so maybee you can try being rude, see if that works... i think it brings scorpios out, works for me anyways. Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:17:45 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a4ec3609-8839-4dd3-9f11-702f6abdb8fd ed 2006-06-05T03:17:45Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#b3da8208-1192-4f59-bca7-6e66e610691e **My suggestion would be to go with your real gut feelings on this, if you think its ok is one thing, if you feel its not, then thats the answer.** See, now that's what I've been doing, I've been going on my true gut feeling on it. I am very good at rationalizing a subject and taking my heart's feelings out of it (must be that damned Gemini Moon...LOL), but, my gut tells me that he is who I should be going after. I also sensed a bit of depression in those words and asked him about it...no reply...The main problem is this...Him and I really got to know each other (he was even a bit upset that he had given so much about himself away, saying that I know more about him than most anyone else), and when we were getting to know each other, he was very talkative and very caring and respectful, it's only after he shared his feelings with me and I shared mine back that he started being weird....even for a Scorpio. I'm not one to chase after someone that shows no interest, I will quickly drop them and move on, however this one has been very difficult in doing so as I *feel* it is what is right. Herein lies the problem, I care for this man...I am very emotional and very analytical...as well as very passionate about things, I base my daily movements on my intuitive feelings and then analyze the hell out of them, if I have the feeling that he is who I should be going after and yet I analyze the situation and it says to me that if he was truely interested, he would do something, but then I take into account his Scorpio nature, where is a woman to go from here?? Thanks for your input... ~ Kali Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:43:17 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#b3da8208-1192-4f59-bca7-6e66e610691e Kali 2006-06-04T15:43:17Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#4a2eaf2d-557e-4e52-b0b5-dd7e7e3f78a7 To everyone...Wow, a lot of information...thanks so much!! Most seems to jive with the rest but then there are a few here and there that are different. Soooo, a new question for you all, I took it upon myself to e-mail him and ask his thoughts on meeting and I also told him that if we are just going to be friends that I'll always be here for him, just as I am with my other friends. However, if I didn't know if there was anything more, if he didn't say something....anything...I would just move on with that part of my life. He read them both and no reply. Does this seem to you all that I just need to back off or as some have stated, keep persuing and do it harder?? I've read so much on Scorp's and to tell you all the truth, everything I've read is just as contridicting as they themselves are!! To chase....or not to chase...to let them chase....yet still show some sort of interest???? So, I suppose if I dwindle it all down here is my main thought.... Do I keep up with what I've been doing...trying to re-connect with him, or do I just drop him *sighs* and hope that he comes around? Any other thoughts are very welcome. Ohhh, and to give you all a bigger picture...here is a little about the two of us... Myself: Pisces/Sun, Gemini/Moon, Capricorn/Ascendant, Aries/Venus, Aquarius/Mercury, Scorpio/Mars , Libra/Jupiter, Aries/Saturn...DOB 2/24/1969 Himself: Scorpio/Sun, Pisces/Moon, (don't know Ascendant), Libra/Venus, Scorpio/Mercury, Virgo/Mars, Leo/Jupiter, Pisces/Saturn...DOB 10/25/1966 Does the above mean anything to anyone...if so, can you help out with it? I know a little bit but not really enough to understand it all. Thanks again!! Take care..... ~ Kali Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:19:47 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#4a2eaf2d-557e-4e52-b0b5-dd7e7e3f78a7 Kali 2006-06-04T15:19:47Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a81c9eac-0aae-4ca3-985c-ea487f343368 --do you think this is easy or fun for me? If she cared she would wip away the tears.-- --..."I'm sure he does, I'm sure he will and I'm sure he's sorry."-- To me this does not sound right, Scorpios can be or can fall into depressions. The first comment senses that for me. The second coment sounds as if hes talking in the third person about himself. Again sounding depressed. I am a Pisces also and know that Pisces have got to watch out for fantasing or creating senarios in the emotions and mind. Being compassionate can lead you into trouble if you commit yourself into trying to alleviate someones elses problems. A relationship is one thing, inheriting problems is another. I am not saying do not pursue this but be carefull. Scorpios if negative are very domineering and controling. Pisces is too easy to domineer because of there compassionate nature. My suggestion would be to go with your real gut feelings on this, if you think its ok is one thing, if you feel its not, then thats the answer. Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:01:35 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#a81c9eac-0aae-4ca3-985c-ea487f343368 Brian 2006-06-04T15:01:35Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f7dbf4c8-eb41-4f74-aa6a-e19cdc95e7f5 You'll have to keep chasing him if it's worth it to you. Don't expect him to jump back out at you. In fact he may never will. If you really want him now it's up to you completely. He may have been "hurt" by your "lack of attention" toward him. Scorpios are diggers, themselves, that need to be mined. : ) Sun, 04 Jun 2006 07:33:12 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#f7dbf4c8-eb41-4f74-aa6a-e19cdc95e7f5 Denise 2006-06-04T07:33:12Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#c08bb1ee-c093-41b1-86d0-29cc2f46521e what kate said. i met my quad scorpionic 2.5 year love/hate torture machine online. we met quickly. sparks flew. it was wonderful at first, lots of heat and passion and fun and wonderful unbelievable things. in person it took him much longer to display the kind of attitude you are describing, but you could be quoting my dude when you quote your dude. scorpios like to be mysterious and often short on words, seeming to want the concise explanation where a pisces wants the long one. mine would get annoyed and blow things/me/people off using that kind of approach. by the way i am pisces sun too. anyway the middle and the end were terrible, largely because our communication didn't often exceed the indirect responses you described. i am incredibly biased now cause i want to kick his ass. he's the meanest son of a m-f i have ever met sometimes. he's the most defensive and evasive person i've ever been with. he's the fussiest little brat who is older than 30 i've ever known. so i'm biased. just know that. but your guy sounds really familiar. altho, you might not be at all like me, too, so who knows. maybe that variety of scorpio will like your variety of pisces better than mine liked me. altho, in the end i did learn that i meant a great deal to him. unfortunately, i learned it, not from being showered with love, but from watching him completely lose it at the end over something that i had said. so it was in the negative that i learned i had a very profound effect on him. otherwise, im not sure why i stuck around for so much verbal debasing. and my guy was really a different (more talkative, attentive, warmer) person during the courtship parts. hhhh. i miss that guy, the falling in love quad scorpio. just don't expect that knowing him in person will necessarily resolve what you feel as distant cryptic responses. its not a good sign if you ask me. not a good beginning. nudging out of shell? probably not gonna happen. i think a piscean idea of what it is to come out of a shell is way too vulnerable and wordy and outwardly emotive for a scorpio. if he comes out it won't be because of anything you directly do and you might not recognize it at first for what it is. i like dating on line. they see my thoughts before my ass or face or whatever. and i see their intellect first too, which is pretty important to me. but sherpa's right that if you think there is connection, meet quickly. Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:06:31 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#c08bb1ee-c093-41b1-86d0-29cc2f46521e arize 2006-06-04T05:06:31Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#821036a3-0bbb-4d5e-a157-563d9e24e250 when i read words on screen or in a book, i think all emotions from it are my own, i made it up to suit the situation. its also a very narrow and constrained way of gathering information on someone. i agree with kate, people fart and have positive/negative character traits...but if you have a "feeling" about "it," follow it see how deep the rabbit hole goes, just dont get abducted or something. actually this reminds me of a broken quote that goes something like, dont believe what anyone tells you, dont even believe in yourself, becoz the truth will reveal itself... i found it on a tribe members bio thing randomly,i taught it was cool. Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:41:57 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#821036a3-0bbb-4d5e-a157-563d9e24e250 ed 2006-06-04T04:41:57Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#e5a93a94-b1f9-4210-a2c4-20ad399361b8 -Move on -? Things are different in person- people fart and roll their eyes and sigh. You have things in common ; but the difference is gender and that has complicated things. Be his friend and - sometime down the road maybe meet as friends or talk on the phone. Take things in steps many times it is important for men to be physically attracted to a women they are considering . It sounds cruel but they need to have that doubt out of the way too before committing to someone. manytimes they won't know until they meet face to face if they would consider their love for you romantic or not and then still it might take some time. 3d up front and in person is so much more than a pretty picture. At least with a phone call you get to hear his voice which is something more than typed messages. Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:02:14 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#e5a93a94-b1f9-4210-a2c4-20ad399361b8 $item.owner.firstName 2006-06-04T04:02:14Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#2c8d7522-dca1-401a-b44a-1d9b0c73b17f Okay, understandable. We had talked about meeting in person and then it never materalized. I can totally relate to the internet being cold in it's own ways. That is one reason why I have made it a rule not to *date* online. But, then he came along and we had the most uncanny amount of things in common from life experiences to very very odd incidences we had both experienced and neither of us had ever met another who had such similarities. We were even both very suspicious of the other for a time...both being the untrusting souls that we are..we made it through that and that is why I got *involved* this time. Asking him to meet in person......I'm not sure how that would work, however...I suppose it's worth a try. He did say at one point that he wanted to see how things were between us in person and go from there. Any other thoughts of what I can do to nudge him out of his shell enough to discuss this? ~Kali Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:04:54 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#2c8d7522-dca1-401a-b44a-1d9b0c73b17f Kali 2006-06-04T03:04:54Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#aaba4782-4203-419c-a2ad-e7945f47913c re: "if he senses it becoming too mental and is backing off, why would he have opened up to me like he did and then backed off when I did the same? " The Scorpio male opens up to and excited by the potential as fantasy but if he doesn't feel the fantasy is going beyond the mental plane, he may naturally be inclined to withdraw. If it were a Gemini man, for example, perhaps the online communicaiton would continue (and maybe never need to "manifest") but Scorpio is driven by passion and there's only so much that the dry embrace of the internet can offer. Have you tried sending him an e-mail suggesting that you meet in person ? Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:28:43 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#aaba4782-4203-419c-a2ad-e7945f47913c sherpa 2006-06-04T02:28:43Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#3feca8ea-d4f3-4ca2-af63-e50fd0dfe9c5 Sherpa....I would very much like to do that but how do I arrange a meeting with someone who says very little to me anymore? We are also about 300 miles from each other so it's not likely we'll just *bump* into each other anytime soon...lol. Also, if the case is that he senses it becoming too mental and is backing off, why would he have opened up to me like he did and then backed off when I did the same? Thanks for the advice... ~Kali Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:52:41 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#3feca8ea-d4f3-4ca2-af63-e50fd0dfe9c5 Kali 2006-06-04T01:52:41Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#05c8cbaa-263d-4888-ac2e-74d6d8f0bee6 From what I gather from your post this relationship you're approaching with a Scorpio male has all been online. if that's the case, I'd suggest you write yourself a reality check real soon (reality checks never bounce) and set up and in-person meeting. Otherwise, you may both become entangled by the dry embrace of the web. As a double Scorpio male, I tend not to take any online relationship very seriously if I have not shared any real time with that person. Scorpio's passionate nature needs to keep it real. He may instinctively sense the relationship becoming too mental and back off. Though maybe it's time to discover who you both are in each other's actual presence before jumping to any conclusions. Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:42:02 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#05c8cbaa-263d-4888-ac2e-74d6d8f0bee6 sherpa 2006-06-04T01:42:02Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#cb999bf2-876f-425c-9249-0191016b85d7 Any advice will be greatly appreciated. I myself am a Pisces woman and have it bad for a Scorpio man. Now I am a bit lost on what is happening between us and he has completely clammed up. Long story made short...we met online, talked every day for almost a month, at the three week point he opened up to me and told me that he really liked me and thought about me a lot and what could be and that he wanted to find out. I didn't have a whole lot to say about it. Then a few days later I got up the courage to open up to him and tell him that I felt basically the same way. Now, from that point he completely ignored me for the first week, then he started saying a bunch of things in riddle form (do you think this is easy or fun for me? If she cared she would wip away the tears...things such as that) and then recently he posted a comment to my blog that I had said I wondered if he knew I was still there for him and if was for me and that I hoped he would contact me soon. His comment was this..."I'm sure he does, I'm sure he will and I'm sure he's sorry." Now, this was a few days ago and he still isn't talking to me. Can anyone tell me what is going on here?? I have been studying Astrology for many years and know that Scorp's tend to be secretive and when they have deep emotions for someone they can run away from it, but I haven't known many Scorps in my life and with everything being online, it's hard to read the situation. Any Scorpio guys out there that understand this behaviour and are willing to give me some hint as to what to do now? Many blessings ~ Kali Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:23:18 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/e0cbfc4a-8e72-4982-abe6-19316027a049#cb999bf2-876f-425c-9249-0191016b85d7 Kali 2006-06-04T01:23:18Z