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"Paul, could you please let me know how pluto conjunct mercury H12 could be "basically" explained, if that were possible? I am sorry Im not sure if Im joking or not...you be the judge."

I'm judging that you really do want to know, but you're not sure if you want the answer and so if you pretend you're only joking you don't have to think too much about it or accept it. A good self-defence move!!

You have a 12H Mercury-Pluto conjunction in Virgo. For me this signifies someone with a person that is 'powerful' on the mental and 'psychic' planes but only after experiencing the extremes of thought that is likely to occur with this placement. Pluto is known as the transformer and can be found literally disassembling what it touches and rebuilding it anew. Pluto is touching your Mercury which can be seen perhaps as the mind itself. This would suggest to me, especially from the 12H a period of depression or mental breakdown. Perhaps you were medicated during this time or hospitalised because of the 12H themes. On the positive again, once you've experienced this mental breakdown and reconstruction you may be better able to apply your considerable intellect to the understanding and insight of deep psychological truths. You may make an excellent psychologist with an understanding and empathy toward the suffering of others.

Although you may be a little paranoid or suffer from a psychosomatic illness or troubles on and off throughout your life, because your mind is so powerful it may literally affect your body - especially with it being in Virgo. In realtionships be cautious of being too psychologically controlling or manipulative. You may have a great understanding of your partner's emotional and mental needs and may spot his 'complexes' but be wary of throwing these in his face. Foster compassion for him instead, and, if you can manage it, for yourself too. Forgive yourself for occasionally being weak. Have empathy not just for others, but for yourself, dont' be too hard on yourself. Be careful of your words, they're more powerful than you realise and you could use them to devastating effect were you to choose to. You can also use them to great benefit and the notion that 'in the beginning was the Word' is particularly Mercury-Pluto, you may find you have the power to bring great comfort and insight to others through your words, in your own words, be the change you want to see in the future! So do not be frivolous with your words and use them to benefit others whenever you can. Again the idea of a 'talking therapy' springs to mind - psychology would be ideal for you! A 12H Pluto can often be a power that can really bring images of the mind into manifestation, but be warned that you will be held responsible for this. Do not focus your anger at others as it will likely manifest. Do not be selfish either if you can help it, try to manifest that which will benefit others as well as yourself.

AH also has a 12H Pluto in Virgo although with different aspects. She is likely to be able to shed more light on this for you or offer another angle. I have a 12H Pluto in Scorpio trine Moon and Mars which is considerably different.

perhaps the sun and moon are considered the luminaries here?? as opposed to personal...

<<On the "Virgo side" Mercury is about daily work, analysis, routine, and service.>>

but is this really what virgo is about? or is this more of what virgo ruling 6th house is about? i am always struggling to separare the finer "print" from sign from house basic general interps... example is aries always about identity and 1st house stuff regardless of where this sign governs in a natal chart? is capricorn always about career regardless of where this sign falls in a natal chart? this is where i come into alot of not quite relating to general interps... i just feel the sign has to be boiled down a bit, purified, to understand it truly, without its natural house association... just a thought...

as for my mercury, i am not a detail person when it comes to "ideas" in your head stuff, and fluctuate between impressive intellect to that of a rock...lol

mercury sun jupiter conjunction square uranus!!!

"The Sun and Moon ARE personal planets. "

Tim

I meant to classify the Sun and Moon as the 'luminaries' (although they are still 'personal') and the other planets as the personal planets.
Thanks for the correction though!

Bull! Planets don't just flip around and have multiple "sides." If they did we could just claim the way a planet behave in any sign is normal for it.

Mercury isn't about work, or health. It never has been, it never will be.

1. Words hanging in the air like ripe apples, ready to be picked

i just found a big, sweet, juicy one

screaming TAUGHT

and I could not resist giving it to you.

<it can be developed but never really teached>

to know that teached really ought be taught...but now that Ive written it doesnt look right.
sometimes when we write we can be wrong. Nothing really matters.
Sometimes Ive thought Latin would be handy to know... to work out some words broken down...but, dictionaries are handy I spose.

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Does Mercury have more hidden depths than we grant him credit? In the myths he was the ONLY God that could, at will, travel back and forth to Hades.
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In a way perception to me seems to always remain a mostly surface/ conscious thing. But we might perceive and articulate the depths ... in that case it would seem mercury has reached to the depths.

What about the times that we forget a thing and then remember later? Is this mercury retreating into the depths of subconscious?

<A lot of people credit mercury with a certain quickness but I think that the moon/ emotional conditioning and awareness can move even more quickly than thought. I think we are aware of a thing before its perception is formed/articulated clearly in our minds most of the time. >

I am not at all sure I agree with this. Mercury is inherently quick, regardless of aspects, although retarding aspects can certainly hold him down. The Moon is not credited with that quality at all. And a vague sense of something is really not enough to even bring things to consciousness much of the time. Mercury is really the "speed" of the Zodiac. I know from personal experience that even Uranus can be brain-numbingly slow.

What puzzles me, regarding your discussions of Mercury and emotion, is that in the natural order of the chart, Mercury and Gemini precede our most blatant of emotional bodies, the Moon and Cancer by house and sign. However, that is not to say that emotions are not gathered or felt in Houses 1 and 2, but is it simply that all emotions are solidified and grounded in H4? In H2 we discover values and self worth--doesn't that involve emotion? In H3 we discover perception, communication and fortify our thought and integration processes--doesn't that involve emotion?

Or is it simply that the Moon is much more than simply "emotion?"

As for Mercury, I always consider it's biggest buzz word to be "integration." The other buzzwords "intellect," "perception," "information gathering" all can seemingly fit as branches on "integration's" tree. Mercury is almost a primal drive to put yourself out there, to gather, to grow and to know. Mercury understands that you can't get without giving because it knows the importance of duality and the power of 2s. What I love about the Gem Moons in my life is that they are generally inquisitive as to what you are experiencing or have to say. What I love about the Gem Suns in my life is that they are perpetually prepared to share what they know with you (indeed, some of them are afflicted with diarrhea of the mouth lol). I think Mercury, by House and Sign, in an individual's chart describes this function for the individual.

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"Busy little bee, mercury be..."
Atalaya, Impressive.

Merc:

Conjunct Sun
Conjunct Jupiter
Square Moon (MC)
Square Mars
Trine Neptune
Trine Uranus
Trine Saturn
Opposite Pluto (Asc)

PKG