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Cardinal T-cross in 2010

topic posted Wed, May 21, 2008 - 7:28 AM by  Partha
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We live in a time when the planets a.k.a. The Transsaturnians are changing residence. This will greatly change the world not only on a socio-political level, but also on a spiritual level. After conjuncting the Galactic Centre, Pluto has entered Capricorn, which will probably usher in great changes in the way we view our responsability towards Reality: our society, world-relations, the Earth and the way we shape our own lives. Uranus will go from Pisces to Aries soon and Neptune will enter Pisces in 2011.

From many different sources: the Mayan Calendar, Ancient Egypt, Astronomy, a message is heared that Earth is heading for a major transformation. What is the Zodiac telling us?

As the sun enters Leo on the 22 of July 2010, Saturn - while entering Libra - will from a T-cross with Uranus in Aries and Pluto in Capricorn. Saturn and Uranus are eachothers antagonists: Saturn is conservative and consolidating and is elevated in Libra, the sign of right human relations and law, while Uranus brings revolution and renewal to the allready initiating authority of Aries. This incredibly dynamic exact oppostion will release it's energy through Pluto's uncompromising and transforming lens in Capricorn: challenging the status quo in an unimaginable way. On the first of August the New Moon will trine The Galactic Centre and form a sextile to Neptune and two weeks later complete this Cardinal Cross as she enters Cancer.

At the same moment Saturn conjuncts venus and mars in Libra and Uranus conjuncts the expansive Jupiter energy, which will act like gasoline on Uranus. Yet, at the same time all the transsaturnians are retrograde, implying some sort of delay in the event.
I'm curious, what everyone thinks about this major transit. Here is a link to the chart:

astro-software.com/cgi-bin/...c/daisy14
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    Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Wed, May 21, 2008 - 11:45 AM
    Apparently, the last time there were powerful aspects similar to this between Saturn, Pluto and Uranus was, erm.....just before the Wall Street Crash.

    Then again, these palnets came togwether in the late 60's and whilst there was plenty of unrest in the world at thwe time, there was not actually a major slump.

    I would imagine that there may be a lot more polarisaton between those who want to see more controls, more law and order etc and betweenthose who want more freedom, porbably against a backdrop where there might be a lot to get polarised about.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Wed, May 21, 2008 - 1:31 PM
      Dunno about the rest of the world, but it looks good for me.

      I cast a chart for the 30th where it puts the Moon conjunct Uranus and Jupiter, which is my 5th house.

      Transiting Moon / Uranus / Jupiter will be trine to my Natal Jupiter and sextile to my Moon.

      Transititing Mars / Saturn will be Sextile to my natal Jupiter and trine to my Moon.

      And it puts the Sun 2º from conjunct my Midheaven.

      Lottery time anyone? lol
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      Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:00 AM
      If we put 2009 and 2010 predictions in the perspective of the subprime crisis, we have more than half of the picture. The U.S.A. will have to go to war in order to earn perspective, establish national security and promote itself as stable country. I can hit, I am $table. The Fed $tables will lack more than a horse or two.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:49 AM
      And these days most outer planets are retrograde,
      thus kind of presetting the stage for...

      Polarisation here is a good keyword.
      Also it may meen each in their own place.

      For example the symbol of aquarius is two waves,
      the upper & lower, keeping mutual air distance between
      their own worlds of action...
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Thu, May 22, 2008 - 6:02 AM
    Never get old by David Bowie

    Better take care
    Think I better go, better get a room
    Better take care of me
    Again and again

    I think about this and I think about personal history
    Better take care
    I breathe so deep when the movie gets real
    When the star turns round
    Again and again
    He looks me in the eye says he's got his mind on a countdown 3-2-1
    Forever

    I'm screaming that I'm gonna be living on till the end of time
    Forever
    The sky splits open to a dull red skull
    My head hangs low 'cause it's all over now

    And there's never gonna be enough money
    And there's never gonna be enough drugs
    And I'm never ever gonna get old
    There's never gonna be enough bullets
    There's never gonna be enough sex
    And I'm never ever gonna get old
    So I'm never ever gonna get high
    And I'm never ever gonna get low
    And I'm never ever gonna get old

    Better take care

    The moon flows on to the edges of the world because of you
    Again and again
    And I'm awake in an age of light living it because of you
    Better take care
    I'm looking at the future solid as a rock because of you
    Again and again

    Wanna be here and I wanna be there
    Living just like you, living just like me
    Forever
    Putting on my gloves and bury my bones in the marshland
    Forever
    Think about my soul but I don't need a thing just the ring of the bell in the pure clean air

    And I'm running down the street of life
    And I'm never gonna let you die
    And I'm never ever gonna get old
    And I'm never ever gonna get
    I'm never ever gonna get
    I'm never ever gonna get old
    And I'm never ever gonna get
    And I'm never ever gonna get
    Never ever gonna get old
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      Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Sat, May 24, 2008 - 1:38 AM
      Actually Uranus is in Cetus at the time. I posted Uranus ephemeris on tribes.tribe.net/Academic_Zodiac
      Cetus is below fishes and is a zodiacal constellation. and I am the Man who fell to Earth:)
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        Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Sat, May 24, 2008 - 1:40 AM
        Petros I posted to news:nl.paranormaal You can access via groups.google.com ? nl.paranormaal also the Denmark newage group
        • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

          Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:13 AM
          Thanks, I will investigate it.
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            Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

            Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:42 AM
            With news like this one, we need not astrology. two real estate giants received help from the Fed, which is nothing but a private organization.

            General Motors said Tuesday that it plans to lay off salaried workers, cut truck production and suspend its stock dividend, showing the depth of the U.S. auto industry's mounting troubles as it adjusts to a declining U.S. market.

            GM said it would also borrow $2 billion to $3 billion as part of an effort to raise $15 billion to help turn around its North American operations.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Mon, July 21, 2008 - 10:08 AM
      I'm screaming that I'm gonna be living on till the end of time

      Egyptian Baudelaire reincarnated in cranky times as these feeling a different energy conglomerate forming choices becoming difficult and darkness coming to substance I will never get laid never had personal history a baby a child never ilI was never

      Better take care
      Think I better go, better get a room
      Better take care of me
      Again and again
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:55 AM
    July 30-31, 2010: This marks another intense few days. Mars joins Saturn at 0° 49' Libra, opposing the Moon, Jupiter, and Uranus in Aries and squared by Pluto. Again, large masses of people may be affected by so much planetary energy concentrated near the cardinal points. Since cardinal signs are action-related, there may be a lot of people on the move (demonstrators, troops, refugees). The Mars-Saturn conjunction is on the Mid heaven in Indonesia, China, and the South China Sea, creating conditions for a crisis in that area. Mountain Astrologer

    August 6-7, 2010: A cardinal grand cross is formed, involving Jupiter-Uranus in Aries, Pluto in Capricorn, the Moon in early Cancer, and Venus joining Mars and Saturn in early Libra. The Sun at 15° Leo makes stressful aspects (45°/135°) to the entire grand cross. We'll need to remain calm and balanced to deal with the relentlessly stressful aspects this summer. The electricity grid may be threatened; unusual Earth or weather changes could be part of the picture. Mountain Astrologer
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Mon, July 21, 2008 - 10:10 AM
      Come on Mountain Astrologer could not even guess that autumn is coming, but we have nice Australian magazines here. The time is up, huh?

      chiflow.tribe.net/thread/ec...c30b3d3a05
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Wed, July 23, 2008 - 3:59 AM
        Not really, the time/space continuum will undergo a major shift with regards to the way reality is percieved by humanity. This process is well on it's way, as people with subtle perception will confirm. 2010 is rather special for the reasons mentioned above...Time may be running out for some unregenerative behavioural patterns though...
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Sat, May 24, 2008 - 6:21 AM
    Yes, I seem a bit preoccupied, but anyone remotely interested in astrology and the near future HAS TO READ THIS:

    astrologyforthesoul.com/billst...nt.html
    astrologyforthesoul.com/billst...wo.html
    astrologyforthesoul.com/billst...ns.html
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      Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Thu, July 10, 2008 - 7:51 AM
      No, Uranus will enter Cetus instead, that is the problem, and get even close to Eris there, and all other planets that all cross Cetus.
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Thu, July 10, 2008 - 11:46 PM
        If Uranus will be in Cetus or in Aries, its of no big difference.
        From June-August 2010, Uranus and Jupiter will form a T-square with Saturn; Venus and Mars in the other side of the solar system, and Pluto in the square side. Either heliocentric or geocentric, either sideral or tropical, the alignment will happen and in the solstice and echinox cross, which is powerful to say the least.

        There were alignments like this before. A smaller one in the sixties, a similar one in the time of big depression, another one during the formation of the united states and french revolution, and formerly during main historical events in past millenia, such as for instance the discovery of americas by europeans, and the formation of both the muslim and christian religions.

        Since Pluto will be in Capricorn, society will undergo a drastic transformation and reform. Empires will rise and fall. Structures will change.
        And this alignment will make strong aspects almost to every bigger nations in the world.

        This 2010 event, could range from a economic depression and energy/ecological crisis with forward solutions, to something more biblical. Curiously when the mayan calendar started, in 3114BC, that was another decade of a powerful T-square alignment. Was it the time of at noas ark tale? Certainly that decade had a big impact at least for Hindus, since it was the death of Khrsina too!

        At least i hope there will be a transformation of the world towards a more sustainable and harmonious world.
        • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

          Fri, July 11, 2008 - 3:04 AM
          Yes. From every corner in the world, from every perspective, be it wholistic or scientific: Transformation on a planetary level. Also interesting: before the Aligment moves into position completely: A Yod - Sun sextile Saturn (Virgo) - Neptune cojunct Chiron in Aquarius. Then the sixth of August the Moon enters Cancer to complete the Cardinal T-cross. All Transsaturnals will be retrograde though, does this mean it will the effect will be stalled or just experienced subjectively?
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            Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

            Sat, July 12, 2008 - 6:42 AM
            True, it is the aspect that counts, in Cetus there are no big stars at that point. The point is sensitive but I introduced it more for didactic purpose. Still I myself came to suspect 201o for reasons of my own, or unreasons. I see 2009 as subprime chaos, 2010 as apoc, 2011 as grand finale and 2012 as revelation. There might be a little war ahead even within the U.S.A., ... if Solar Fire does not lie. I used the primary mundane directions, I guess, by default, should check with Naibod, ... Today I upgraded all publications for Chiron Neptune angular progression, that is conjunctions, interesting data, ... will need days to filter the essential, ... but am aware of little Chiron and Neptune, Damocles is there and a host of buzzing centaurs and even Lilith (the asteroid) joins in in a while...
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Thu, July 17, 2008 - 9:07 AM
    I don't mean to discount doomsday chronicles. I think dwelling on these things creates a mindset that isn't healthy. Perhaps I'm also too cynical, but a few things I've "lived through" include:

    1. In 1917, the apparitions to the children of Fatima gave the children three secrets. The third secret was supposedly opened by the Pope, and it was said that the message would be known in 1960, and that it was frightening and horrible and we're all going to die, etc. etc. etc. Big news. The world did not come to an end in 1960. And the Pope didn't reveal the secret.

    2. Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, said that in the 1970s the eastern coast of the United States would be under water. Not exactly, but the country was consumed with WATERgate at the time.

    3. In 1999, there were books being written about how the world would go into total annihilation because the computers weren't up to speed for Y2K. Not to be forgotten, in the year 999, half the population of Europe was convinced that the world would come to an end in 1000. Many gathered in churches on New Year's Eve, and some even died of fright. The world, as you may have noticed, did not come to an end in 1000.

    4. Nostradamus supposedly predicted the end of the world in 1999, and the eclipse of August, 1999 that featured a horrific grand cross was the harbinger of this. Since then, that eclipse is given as the reason for just about everything that has happened. Some awful stuff, yes, but has there ever been a time on earth when there wasn't? Also, people said that Nostradamus "never predicted beyond 1999." Not true.

    It's safe to say, I think, that we can experience, and have continued to experience, the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT. Sept. 11, 2001 certainly ended the world as we once knew it.

    And now we have the Mayan prophecy. I would recommend anyone concerned about it should go to an article that attempts to shed the light of reason on this. I'm sure the article has flaws in it, but a different viewpoint never hurt anyone. The URL is:

    tcurious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php

    A quote from that article:

    The fact that the winter solstice on 2012 is "aligned" with the plane of the Galaxy has no significance.
    It takes the winter solstice 700-1400 years to cross the plane of the Galaxy.
    The solstice last year (2005) was within 0.1 degrees (or 1/5th the size of the Sun) of where it will be on 2012.
    The Sun crosses the plane of the Milky Way twice every year with no ill effect.

    A number of years ago, I wrote a poem re Nostradamus and his prophecies. The last two stanzas suddenly come to mind:

    It’s wonderful
    That he did know
    Just when the world
    Would likely go.

    But did he see
    What’s really sad
    The worlds unstarted
    Lives not had.

    Thanks, Partha, for allowing me to vent.

    Michele Adler
    www.micheleadler.com
    • No Stormcrow

      Thu, July 17, 2008 - 9:20 AM
      Hey, I'm just a bug...I would never, ever pretend to know WHAT will happen... Personally I don't believe the world is going to end...
      Though, I do know things will 'change'...I think change -in the context of these times- is not a strong enough word.

      Uranus conjunct Jupiter in Aries, just let it sink in....yeah, yeah...I know, it happened before...but not in this Grand Cross Configuration and not coroborated by so much seemingly unrelated phenomena: 2012, Solar Flares, Magnetic Shift, Holy Cross...etc.

      I'm no stormcrow, I just want to get info...from other perspectives...Thanks though.
      • Re: No Stormcrow

        Fri, July 18, 2008 - 8:49 AM
        Partha, I think the point I'm trying to make is that there will always be unusual configurations with the planets. My irritation is with the concept that planetary configurations are always portents of doom. It's the concept I have a hard time with, and I appreciate your presenting the opportunity to discuss it. I tend to see all astrological phenomena in terms of cycles.

        I remember attending an astrology conference in the 1980s. At that time, there was an upcoming Saturn/Neptune conjunction and a lot of the astrologers there were predicting all sorts of calamities. (The previous Saturn/Neptune conjunction had been in 1953. The next would not be until 2026--in 00 Aries, oddly enough.) The conjunction was in the 10th degree of Capricorn, and would occur on Nov. 13, 1989.

        So what happened? On November 9, 1989, the Berlin Wall fell. Neptune the dissolver of Saturnian structures. The border separating East and West Germany was opened. Of course, the Berlin Wall dissolution was highly symbolic of other things going on politically. The fall of the Berlin Wall has been used as a symbol for the end of the Cold War. It's funny how you rarely see any reference to that conjunction and the Berlin Wall. (Or I have not seen any.)

        It's an example worth considering.

        Michele
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          Re: No Stormcrow

          Fri, July 18, 2008 - 2:18 PM
          Crosses are reliable when close to the ecliptic, which is true in the case of Neptune and Saturn.
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          Re: No Stormcrow

          Sun, March 21, 2010 - 7:24 PM
          "2. Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, said that in the 1970s the eastern coast of the United States would be under water. Not exactly, but the country was consumed with WATERgate at the time."

          I'm going to agree with Michele on this one (had to re-quote her, loved this ;-)

          I do believe the end of any world (LOL, just saying that sounds ridiculous), is a beginning of a more enlightened one (Pluto only kills what needs to die, not everything sillies). But that's just lil' ole me 'no drama for the mama, please..."
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            Re: No Stormcrow

            Sun, March 21, 2010 - 8:16 PM
            "I'm going to agree with Michele on this one (had to re-quote her, loved this ;-)

            I do believe the end of any world (LOL, just saying that sounds ridiculous), is a beginning of a more enlightened one (Pluto only kills what needs to die, not everything sillies). But that's just lil' ole me 'no drama for the mama, please..."



            I don't think it's the end of the world either. But, speaking as someone with cardinal angular houses and cardinal planets, it's bound to bring a lot of changes on a personal level, not to mention global. So far, the T-square has brought nothing but hardship for myself, and it's on my MC/IC/DC.
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              Re: No Stormcrow

              Mon, March 22, 2010 - 6:49 PM
              "So far, the T-square has brought nothing but hardship for myself, and it's on my MC/IC/DC."

              You know Tanit, for some strange reason, I like you even tho you remind me of my little sister who grabs my pant leg and begs for an explanation every 5 minutes..Sheesh, be patient will you..(I too have a freaking t-square, and it involves my ruling planet and if I ran around wanting to know everything all the time, well, I think I'd be, wait for it....ME).
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                Re: No Stormcrow

                Mon, March 22, 2010 - 11:23 PM
                "You know Tanit, for some strange reason, I like you even tho you remind me of my little sister who grabs my pant leg and begs for an explanation every 5 minutes..Sheesh, be patient will you..(I too have a freaking t-square, and it involves my ruling planet and if I ran around wanting to know everything all the time, well, I think I'd be, wait for it....ME)."


                Ha, well... I'm sure do want to know everything, but mostly right now I want a life, and my "life," or whatever you call this limbo state of being, seems to have ended prematurely whilst I still walk around breathing. As someone with a lot of action in one's chart, being unable to cause action of any kind to change this situation is incredibly soul-crushing. If it's a test of humility or patience or what have you, I don't see how it's necessary, truly. It's just kicking a beaten dog. If there is a god, I denounce them for forsaking me to this ruin. I've done nothing to deserve it and it's only served to make me hateful and bitter, whereas I was once kind and good. I see no light in this world anymore, to be quite honest.
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                  Re: No Stormcrow

                  Tue, March 23, 2010 - 6:37 PM
                  "As someone with a lot of action in one's chart, being unable to cause action of any kind to change this situation is incredibly soul-crushing. If it's a test of humility or patience or what have you, I don't see how it's necessary, truly. It's just kicking a beaten dog. If there is a god, I denounce them for forsaking me to this ruin. "


                  For someone who has Mars exactly transiting jupiter, how abt? This too shall pass.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Fri, July 25, 2008 - 1:06 AM

      2. Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, said that in the 1970s the eastern coast
      of the United States would be under water. Not exactly, but the country was consumed with WATERgate at the time.

      Cayce could not calculate his own ascendant but he was agile in putting Atlantis under the nose of Nassau?
      However, Cayce is not the Baptist and has made many errors that are nevertheless exploitable by the family organization.

      Cayce is a liar, that is plain. Nothing was under water. 1970 was just conveniently distant in time for him.
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Sat, July 26, 2008 - 11:56 PM
    This is from the Book of Enoch, in an augury that astrologers know the time is up.

    2. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, ⌈which⌉ the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Tue, August 5, 2008 - 12:37 AM
      That would be a sweeping change across mankind.
      I also dont want to persuit any doomsay scenarios. I dont think it is good for us to get attached to those predictions.
      Anyway, about 5125 years ago (3114BC is the Mayan start) there were a serie of very powerful events. In approx 3123 BC there was a comet strike in Earth observed by sumerians, possibly in Austria Kobels. Then, in 2807BC accordingly to another geologist there was another cosmic strike in the indian ocean causing a giant tidal wave. The same happen again circa 2354BC and there is also scientific evidence. Surely these were traumatic events that change the course of civilizations. Could this happen again? The Epic of Gilgamesh and many other flood mtyths and religious texts were written afterwards. And also in Hindu literature in 3102BC Khrisna died and the Kali Yuga started. Why did the Mayans pointed to 2012? Why this date is often present. Even crop circles point frequently to that year. Either is a dramatic event or a serie of events over the course of a decade. But we shouldnt jump into fear or impatience. 2009-14 is a powerful changing time in astrological terms; it is similar to change in the sixties, in the thirties (time of big depression and many world changes), to the time of america revolution and many other ancient events. Just grasp Saturn, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus and Pluto all squaring in the cardinal degrees! Anyway, the technological revolution is clear, and a spiritual, humanistic and ecological awakening is happening in grassroot movements. This is our light in my humble opinion. Prudence, inner peace, good judgment and patience are all important virtues. I guess the world will continue after 2010 and after 2012, with some sort of changes ranging from big to radically big. Different, dramatic, but with a new sense of being, we shall continue.
      Anyway my dream visions always continue ahead into the far 21st century, despite the giant usual changes in society and earth.
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Fri, June 19, 2009 - 4:10 AM
    This is an awesome article about the 2010 cross.

    www.hermes3.net/2010.htm
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      Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Tue, March 16, 2010 - 8:33 PM
      There's a cardinal T-cross this month, with Sun/Mercury entering Aries. Supposedly it may give some of us a "mini identity crises."

      You can view Saturn well right now, until May, 30 min before sunrise or after sunset, close to the constellation Leo. Best time is March 21st.
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Sat, March 20, 2010 - 7:45 AM
        I wasn't aware of this, you are right: Mercury, the Sun and the Moon are acting as precursors to the Jupiter Uranus conjunction in Aries that will complete this summer's T and Grand-Crosses. It will be interesting to note global and personal events during this period.

        With Mercury already opposing retrograde Saturn and square Pluto, we could possibly see impulsive outbursts through the media, channeling new, yet authoritative ideas threatening the current political status quo. Mercury bringing hidden agendas to the public awareness how current power structures block the striving for right human relations globally. Israel is ruled by Capricorn and yesterdays stern condemnation by the Middle East Quartet of the continued building of settlements seems to fit this picture. I suspect planets entering Aries will laud in a complete disrespect and mounting challenge of traditional power structures based on the manipulation of money, through popular protest and dissent.

        Then there was the New Moon of the 15th of March that seems another example of heralding in dramatic changes. There was a Moon, Mercury, Sun conjunction with Uranus. We'll have a full moon, March 30th, releasing the built up symbolized by the stellium at 27 degrees Pisces. But not before the Moon completes a Cardinal cross March the 23d, when it will enter Cancer...possible the most stressful time the next week.

        A great article by Robert Wilkinson about this Cardinal Square prelude and what it means for this summer:
        www.aquariuspapers.com/astrol...10.html
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Fri, July 2, 2010 - 10:45 PM
    Considering the events of the last few months, and the eclipse a week ago bringing the first hurricane to the Gulf, this mapping has been pretty on the money. Look at the date the oil spill started. Here is a possible indication of events happening this month, not from an astrological perspective but a paramilitary one: www.godlikeproductions.com/foru...8/pg1
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Sat, July 31, 2010 - 9:50 AM
      Yes, there seems to be a lot of tension in the air, but nothing has definitely materialized in the forms I expected thus far, perhaps thanks to a President who thinks before he acts. Saudi Arabia allowing Israel to access its airspace? That's very troubling news. Some people are specifically talking about the intense lunar eclipse of the 26th of June as a trigger moment. (5 degrees Cap on Pluto) We haven't seen anything like a collective paradigm shift, which took place after Venus crossed the 1999 Grand Fixed Cross eclipse point at September 11: mountainastrologer.com/tma/ca...eclipse

      Still, we're not out of the woods yet. I suspect the culminative effect of all this bottled up energy will focus around 7/8 of August when the Moon enters Cancer to complete the Grand Cardinal Cross. with the Sun in Leo at 15 degrees (adding a Thor's Hammer/Arrowhead configuration) - residing at a critical degree: a so-called Avatar Point: "they are considered to be degrees where important spiritual influences enter the Earth plane and our lives", joining the already critical Uranus, Chiron and Venus. The only planet not really involved is Mercury in Virgo, forming a very short quintile with the Moon.

      So the Grand Cardinal Cross will be infused by an Arrow head configuration with the Sun as its focal point. Here is an interesting description of it:

      "This is an aspect configuration is known by several different names: Quadriform, Arrowhead, Thor's Hammer or God's Fist.It consists of two planets in square aspect (90 degrees) and both in an octile or sesqui-quadrate aspect (135 degrees) to a third planet. The energy of this aspect pattern is a little like a T-square, since it has stressful, dynamic energy. However, the octile aspects (based on dividing the circle into 8 pieces) tend to be a little more complex than the square or opposition (based on dividing the circle into 4 pieces).
      Some astrologers see the energy originating in the tension of the two square planets, which finds an outlet through the third (apex) planet. This means the apex planet must find a creative way to resolve the conflict of the square, or else it could vent that tension destructively.

      This perspective reflects the image of an Arrowhead.
      Other astrologers see the energy flow originating in the apex planet, which then must find a way to wield the power and dynamic stress of the square planets. It's a little like holding a live grenade - what do you do with it?? You need to find a way to use it constructively and creatively, or the energy can become destructive. This image is like a Hammerhead or God's Fist.
      By cultivating support for the energy of the apex planet, it is possible to give it strength to work constructively and creatively with the square planets"

      from: www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/...ead.php

      All these dramatic eclipses occurring this year, and now the personal planets moving into position joining the outer planets, making two oppositions and all these squares. The Sun aggravating the tension, as an outlet to the highly explosive nature of the Pluto-Uranus/Jupiter square? Then again, creating an influx of Divine energy, hopefully to force a positive outcome: God's fist, to smash the status quo to smithereens and free history taken hostage...
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Sat, July 31, 2010 - 12:52 PM
        It is highly debatable that Obama thinks before he acts. In fact, I think the evidence is quite to the contrary, especially in light of recent events involving the firing of a government employee based on a YouTube clip that was taken totally out of context and how the White House had to backtrack on that one. I find very little about what he has done so far as indicative of intelligently planned actions.

        Be that as it may, it seems to me that the rest of this post is intriguing. And I would venture to say that if there is a blasting of the status quo that will go down, Obama is likely to be taken down with it as well, since he is not a true innovator.
        • Money, Oil and Nuclear power

          Sat, July 31, 2010 - 2:27 PM
          Amiable, would you rather have had this one as Commander in Chief?

          www.youtube.com/watch

          But seriously, what I was trying to say is that the situation in the Middle East, despite a lull in hostilities, remains extremely volatile and we need someone to rally constructive forces, locally to halt future aggression: resolute, yet restrained action, rather than the banzai approach favored by the recent Bush admin. What is rather conspicuous about the Obama admin, that it doesn't favor inflaming rethoric, but chooses to handle things more discretely. How? I am also very curious about that.

          Iran's chart highlights a Moon Ascendant conjunction (3-7 Aries) which is in the thick of this Cardinal action: Uranus and Jupiter shaking up the collective Iranian subconscious and the way it looks to the rest of the World. Uranus, together with Pluto symbolizes nuclear power,weapons and technological advances. There is no doubt when Uranus reaches the Iranian Ascendant, they will have a nuclear weapon. Israel's chart has Pluto Saturn conjunction (12-17) in Leo, activated by the Sun. I'm not even going to go there.

          It's interesting though, when I started this topic, I expected a much more dramatic upheaval than this. I can sense things rapidly reaching critical mass on an energetic level: the collective consciousness is now initiated into a new reality. Geopolitically and economically we are still not in the rapids yet, though the waterfall is just around the corner. There is no doubt that any action against Iran's nuclear power, will set alight the oil reserves in the Persian Gulf, which could well set off Global anarchy.

          The Oil spill in the Gulf could be the precursor of an even greater oil spill in the Persian Gulf. Remember the eclipse on Pluto of June 26th and Mars conjunct Saturn opp. Uranus Jupiter: Mars sparking (war) of a sudden (Uranus) , expansive spilling (Jupiter) of oil (Pluto), transforming (Uranus) the status quo (Saturn square Pluto in Capricorn) and making the basis (Saturn) of money (Venus in LIbra), obsolete.

          I was told Mars hitting the five degree mark in Libra setting of the 26th June lunar eclipse on Pluto, because it will be completing a very potent T-Cross within the Cardinal Grand Cross. That with the Sun, further setting of a major spark in the already smoldering Powder keg starting next Saturday and Sunday 6/7 August, could prove to be the tipping point. If there be any lessons learned from all this, it is without a doubt that we need safe, clean energy for everybody and we need it fast.

          Let's hope it will remain on a purely 'subjective' level, because this time around the watershed might well reach our doorsteps.
          • Re: Money, Oil and Nuclear power

            Sat, July 31, 2010 - 4:14 PM
            No, but I don't like anybody in the picture, so....LOL.

            I wasn't really talking so much about Iran, however, I don't really see that the policies are that radically different from what they have been, if you just step back and take a Aquarian Moon view of it. The whole Middle East has been a mess for so long, and largely, imo, because a Medieval mindset is clashing with the 21st Century, that I can't imagine anything like a swift, easy, and uncomplicated process regardless of who thinks there might be some magic wand. It is not just Iran and Israel, but Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan as well ~ and those are just the hotter buttons.

            The thing that I think is important to bear in mind is just how little things are as they seem or as the propaganda claims. So, with regard to energy and the environment, which must include the whole AGW debacle and swindle, there is much that is being set out that is deceptive and questionable and covered up. Throw that into the equation of geopolitical finance, global environmental policy, and a clash of cultures and ideologies, and you have a very squirmy can of worms.

            I think your astrological analysis of Iran is most compelling and interesting, and I am not very optimistic at all since so much is so entrenched there. Talk, even (or especially) quasi-conciliatory talk, is cheap, and I don't think it is going to effect much at all. IF, and it is a rather large if, the situation is going to come to some sort of head this summer, again, I think it will not be in a manner that will be what it seems to be. How that translates, I don't know, but I get a huge sense of subterfuge riding out on one of the horsemen in this. Whatever we may "need fast," I think is much more an issue of progressing slowly with well thought out and methodical procedures. The one hope is to finally do this with some intelligence and genuine interest in improving the future, but, again, signs of that are basically nonexistent from my perspective. The blundering and ridiculously slow manner in which the Gulf disaster has been addressed just reinforces that perspective for me.

            The oil spill is another interesting point, but I really can't see it up-ending a currency-based global economy, at least not without an Armageddon that would throw us into a very alien sort of world to the one we know. That's more 2012-sounding to me, frankly, and I don't really see it. Even if the seeds of positive global spiritual transformation have been or are being sown, the fruits of all of them seem many, many years from ripening. At least to me. But I am not a tremendous optimist about such matters. LOL.

            Thanks, Partha. My view doesn't preclude my appreciating yours.
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              Re: Money, Oil and Nuclear power

              Sun, August 1, 2010 - 12:00 AM
              As a siderealist I have been looking at this from more of a mutable (experimental, fluid) point of view, centring on worldly Sagittarius. Given the signs mainly, I have been expecting mainly environmental things out of this. Either way, Pluto opposed my natal Jupiter which already squares my Pluto, so I have been expecting a personal impact, especially yesterday with the Moon joining Jupiter/Uranus as Mars joined Saturn.

              The main signs I saw personally were the worst monsoon flooding to hit the city I call home in many a year in the last few days, and a helicopter falling out of the sky a quarter of a mile from my house a few days ago and the controversial SB1070 immigration bill in my home state- as well as encountering a higher than average rate of religious nuts and xenophobes around.

              Looking at the international news it appears that these kind of things are not isolated either: Sarkozy in France recently proposed massive immigration "reform" involving forcibly removing all the Romany from France. I guess being a non-native Frenchman makes him feel entitled. Russia's in the grip of its worst heatwave since records began, and Pakistan is having its worst flooding in decades.

              Pakistan in particular seem to be hit by a number of catastrophes, after the recent plane crash (the same day as that helicopter crash near my house!) which claimed 152 lives and the recent leaking of what are alleged to be confidential US military documents, providing fuel for international controversy over Pakistan's alleged relationship with the Taliban.

              Not really theorizing here, just my perspective on things!
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Sat, July 31, 2010 - 10:23 AM
    The T-cross sounds a bit tense and although I know it will rock my boat, I am kind of looking for it.
    I am bored of the way things are and I could use some crisis to transform. It seems I have no motive doing it myself so far, so maybe this square might be just what I need. Squares corners are my 2,8,anf 5 th houses. Saturn, Uranus and Pluto. Trying times financially, being born from ashes and challenge to change things at romance and fun level. I need a boost and I think its just what I need.
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Sun, August 8, 2010 - 5:18 AM
    August 7: wrecked my car.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Sun, August 8, 2010 - 6:00 AM
      I was just about to ask if anything significant happened when the square reached is culmination.
      I felt nothing except eating to death. I never remember eating that much for years.
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Sun, August 8, 2010 - 6:07 AM
        Secretz, me too. I can't stop eating either. All willpower has gone out the window, but it's like I'm not even trying to stop myself. I haven't seen a massive difference in my size so I'm a bit like what the hey? Probably catch up to me at some stage but for now it's a bit care factor zero.
        • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

          Sun, August 8, 2010 - 6:12 AM
          Hi Tilly,

          Are you virgo rising too? Square is happening in my 2 nd, 5th and 8th houses, libra, capricorn and aries. I don't know if its related to this square or not but I ate whole lot of stuff yesterday :)
          • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

            Sun, August 8, 2010 - 6:20 AM
            I'm Leo rising, square is happening in my 3rd, 6th and 9th houses - yesterday was a big eating day for me too lol. I've been eating all the wrong things all week basically and not stopping at one either, but yesterday was particularly piggy. It's winter where I am so it obviously could be due to that (and I'm not pregnant either), but it's been a long time since I felt so carefree about it and I've been thinking why it is over the last couple of days and that I should probably slow down or I'll be sorry. Just interesting to see someone else mention something you've been thinking about yourself :)
          • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

            Sun, August 8, 2010 - 6:32 AM
            Virgo rising here. No, no inordinate appetite for me.
            • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

              Sun, August 8, 2010 - 7:06 AM
              Amiablehermit, sorry about your car..So then it's clear the inordinary appetite has nothing to do with the square.
              • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

                Sun, August 8, 2010 - 7:18 AM
                I don't know. It just doesn't happen to be true of me. If enough people are experiencing this, especially among those who are not prone to it, then, perhaps. It is very hard to say much about such things with any certainty without a rigorous study, if then. The same is true of my own observations elsewhere about separate, but related, matters. It is just that such things are peculiarly coincidental sometimes, and it is hard to draw conclusions one way or another about them. I believe we just really never know, at least for now.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Sun, August 8, 2010 - 7:29 AM
      Had need expensive work done on my car, and I still need to have it checked out further... My car is very old, and if the chassis is rusted through, I may need a new one, which I cannot afford.
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Wed, September 8, 2010 - 10:09 PM
        So, triggering off the August 20th Mercury Rx, which was in shadow mode during the Grand Cross on August 6-7. No transit exists in isolation nor is unaffected by other past or future transits. It is all a connected dynamic. We only talk about them as isolated events because it is easier for us to try to digest, but it is not the reality of astrology.

        As I said, I wrecked my car on August 7. I ran into a guard rail just in front of a sentry gate on an Army post. I did that because I heard a strange sound coming from the back seat area of my car and instinctively turned my head around and lost control of the car. The police came, a report was made, yada yada yada. Btw, when I bought the car used a couple of years ago, it did not have a manual, and I never located one. Just keep that in mind. I got the car into the body shop, after a week or so, it was ready to be picked up. When I got into the car to drive it away, it wouldn't start, which is a problem it did not have while it was under repair, and which I had not experienced in quite that way ever before. The body shop guys tried to jump start it by doing something to something under the hood that looked like it might be the battery, with no success, so they got a mechanic into the act who said that the model of my car in the year that it was made had the battery located under the back seat, which requires two people to completely remove to access it. It is also not a standard battery, and it has no markings indicating its age. After it was charged and I got it home, I later heard the same strange noise from the back seat area. What caused my accident was a sound from the battery, which I did not know was located under the back seat, and now it looks as though I need to replace it at a greater expense than I would from some other car since it not only is not standard, but involves more labor. The mystery of the sound is now solved, but the outcome is bad news.

        I also cannot get my new business off the ground because every time I turn around, there is some unexpected expense that drains off what I need to save to make progress. In addition to that, project prospects that I have invested a lot of time into over the past few months seem to be falling through by virtue of other people running off with ideas of their own for them and doing so behind the scenes and staying silent about that. Even the primary one I am working on is suffering from bad communication issues and a client who doesn't really understand that the thing requires more than he understands about it or has time to put it into it himself. Conversations with him tend to be highly repetitive and like talking to a sieve. On the homefront, conversations with my mother are irritating the hell out of me since even why I left the kitchen light on when I know I have something in the microwave is something I have to explain and account for in some tedious detail. I quit reading the news since that just infuriates me with the level of global banality that keeps surfacing on a daily basis.

        I feel like ants are crawling all over me.