Cardinal T-cross in 2010

topic posted Wed, May 21, 2008 - 7:28 AM by  Partha
We live in a time when the planets a.k.a. The Transsaturnians are changing residence. This will greatly change the world not only on a socio-political level, but also on a spiritual level. After conjuncting the Galactic Centre, Pluto has entered Capricorn, which will probably usher in great changes in the way we view our responsability towards Reality: our society, world-relations, the Earth and the way we shape our own lives. Uranus will go from Pisces to Aries soon and Neptune will enter Pisces in 2011.

From many different sources: the Mayan Calendar, Ancient Egypt, Astronomy, a message is heared that Earth is heading for a major transformation. What is the Zodiac telling us?

As the sun enters Leo on the 22 of July 2010, Saturn - while entering Libra - will from a T-cross with Uranus in Aries and Pluto in Capricorn. Saturn and Uranus are eachothers antagonists: Saturn is conservative and consolidating and is elevated in Libra, the sign of right human relations and law, while Uranus brings revolution and renewal to the allready initiating authority of Aries. This incredibly dynamic exact oppostion will release it's energy through Pluto's uncompromising and transforming lens in Capricorn: challenging the status quo in an unimaginable way. On the first of August the New Moon will trine The Galactic Centre and form a sextile to Neptune and two weeks later complete this Cardinal Cross as she enters Cancer.

At the same moment Saturn conjuncts venus and mars in Libra and Uranus conjuncts the expansive Jupiter energy, which will act like gasoline on Uranus. Yet, at the same time all the transsaturnians are retrograde, implying some sort of delay in the event.
I'm curious, what everyone thinks about this major transit. Here is a link to the chart:

astro-software.com/cgi-bin/...c/daisy14
posted by:
Partha
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Wed, May 21, 2008 - 11:45 AM
    Apparently, the last time there were powerful aspects similar to this between Saturn, Pluto and Uranus was, erm.....just before the Wall Street Crash.

    Then again, these palnets came togwether in the late 60's and whilst there was plenty of unrest in the world at thwe time, there was not actually a major slump.

    I would imagine that there may be a lot more polarisaton between those who want to see more controls, more law and order etc and betweenthose who want more freedom, porbably against a backdrop where there might be a lot to get polarised about.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Wed, May 21, 2008 - 1:31 PM
      Dunno about the rest of the world, but it looks good for me.

      I cast a chart for the 30th where it puts the Moon conjunct Uranus and Jupiter, which is my 5th house.

      Transiting Moon / Uranus / Jupiter will be trine to my Natal Jupiter and sextile to my Moon.

      Transititing Mars / Saturn will be Sextile to my natal Jupiter and trine to my Moon.

      And it puts the Sun 2º from conjunct my Midheaven.

      Lottery time anyone? lol
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:00 AM
      If we put 2009 and 2010 predictions in the perspective of the subprime crisis, we have more than half of the picture. The U.S.A. will have to go to war in order to earn perspective, establish national security and promote itself as stable country. I can hit, I am $table. The Fed $tables will lack more than a horse or two.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:49 AM
      And these days most outer planets are retrograde,
      thus kind of presetting the stage for...

      Polarisation here is a good keyword.
      Also it may meen each in their own place.

      For example the symbol of aquarius is two waves,
      the upper & lower, keeping mutual air distance between
      their own worlds of action...
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Thu, May 22, 2008 - 6:02 AM
    Never get old by David Bowie

    Better take care
    Think I better go, better get a room
    Better take care of me
    Again and again

    I think about this and I think about personal history
    Better take care
    I breathe so deep when the movie gets real
    When the star turns round
    Again and again
    He looks me in the eye says he's got his mind on a countdown 3-2-1
    Forever

    I'm screaming that I'm gonna be living on till the end of time
    Forever
    The sky splits open to a dull red skull
    My head hangs low 'cause it's all over now

    And there's never gonna be enough money
    And there's never gonna be enough drugs
    And I'm never ever gonna get old
    There's never gonna be enough bullets
    There's never gonna be enough sex
    And I'm never ever gonna get old
    So I'm never ever gonna get high
    And I'm never ever gonna get low
    And I'm never ever gonna get old

    Better take care

    The moon flows on to the edges of the world because of you
    Again and again
    And I'm awake in an age of light living it because of you
    Better take care
    I'm looking at the future solid as a rock because of you
    Again and again

    Wanna be here and I wanna be there
    Living just like you, living just like me
    Forever
    Putting on my gloves and bury my bones in the marshland
    Forever
    Think about my soul but I don't need a thing just the ring of the bell in the pure clean air

    And I'm running down the street of life
    And I'm never gonna let you die
    And I'm never ever gonna get old
    And I'm never ever gonna get
    I'm never ever gonna get
    I'm never ever gonna get old
    And I'm never ever gonna get
    And I'm never ever gonna get
    Never ever gonna get old
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Sat, May 24, 2008 - 1:38 AM
      Actually Uranus is in Cetus at the time. I posted Uranus ephemeris on tribes.tribe.net/Academic_Zodiac
      Cetus is below fishes and is a zodiacal constellation. and I am the Man who fell to Earth:)
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Sat, May 24, 2008 - 1:40 AM
        Petros I posted to news:nl.paranormaal You can access via groups.google.com ? nl.paranormaal also the Denmark newage group
        • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

          Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:13 AM
          Thanks, I will investigate it.
          • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

            Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:42 AM
            With news like this one, we need not astrology. two real estate giants received help from the Fed, which is nothing but a private organization.

            General Motors said Tuesday that it plans to lay off salaried workers, cut truck production and suspend its stock dividend, showing the depth of the U.S. auto industry's mounting troubles as it adjusts to a declining U.S. market.

            GM said it would also borrow $2 billion to $3 billion as part of an effort to raise $15 billion to help turn around its North American operations.
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Mon, July 21, 2008 - 10:08 AM
      I'm screaming that I'm gonna be living on till the end of time

      Egyptian Baudelaire reincarnated in cranky times as these feeling a different energy conglomerate forming choices becoming difficult and darkness coming to substance I will never get laid never had personal history a baby a child never ilI was never

      Better take care
      Think I better go, better get a room
      Better take care of me
      Again and again
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:55 AM
    July 30-31, 2010: This marks another intense few days. Mars joins Saturn at 0° 49' Libra, opposing the Moon, Jupiter, and Uranus in Aries and squared by Pluto. Again, large masses of people may be affected by so much planetary energy concentrated near the cardinal points. Since cardinal signs are action-related, there may be a lot of people on the move (demonstrators, troops, refugees). The Mars-Saturn conjunction is on the Mid heaven in Indonesia, China, and the South China Sea, creating conditions for a crisis in that area. Mountain Astrologer

    August 6-7, 2010: A cardinal grand cross is formed, involving Jupiter-Uranus in Aries, Pluto in Capricorn, the Moon in early Cancer, and Venus joining Mars and Saturn in early Libra. The Sun at 15° Leo makes stressful aspects (45°/135°) to the entire grand cross. We'll need to remain calm and balanced to deal with the relentlessly stressful aspects this summer. The electricity grid may be threatened; unusual Earth or weather changes could be part of the picture. Mountain Astrologer
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Mon, July 21, 2008 - 10:10 AM
      Come on Mountain Astrologer could not even guess that autumn is coming, but we have nice Australian magazines here. The time is up, huh?

      chiflow.tribe.net/thread/ec...c30b3d3a05
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Wed, July 23, 2008 - 3:59 AM
        Not really, the time/space continuum will undergo a major shift with regards to the way reality is percieved by humanity. This process is well on it's way, as people with subtle perception will confirm. 2010 is rather special for the reasons mentioned above...Time may be running out for some unregenerative behavioural patterns though...
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Sat, May 24, 2008 - 6:21 AM
    Yes, I seem a bit preoccupied, but anyone remotely interested in astrology and the near future HAS TO READ THIS:

    astrologyforthesoul.com/billst...nt.html
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    astrologyforthesoul.com/billst...ns.html
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Thu, July 10, 2008 - 7:51 AM
      No, Uranus will enter Cetus instead, that is the problem, and get even close to Eris there, and all other planets that all cross Cetus.
      • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

        Thu, July 10, 2008 - 11:46 PM
        If Uranus will be in Cetus or in Aries, its of no big difference.
        From June-August 2010, Uranus and Jupiter will form a T-square with Saturn; Venus and Mars in the other side of the solar system, and Pluto in the square side. Either heliocentric or geocentric, either sideral or tropical, the alignment will happen and in the solstice and echinox cross, which is powerful to say the least.

        There were alignments like this before. A smaller one in the sixties, a similar one in the time of big depression, another one during the formation of the united states and french revolution, and formerly during main historical events in past millenia, such as for instance the discovery of americas by europeans, and the formation of both the muslim and christian religions.

        Since Pluto will be in Capricorn, society will undergo a drastic transformation and reform. Empires will rise and fall. Structures will change.
        And this alignment will make strong aspects almost to every bigger nations in the world.

        This 2010 event, could range from a economic depression and energy/ecological crisis with forward solutions, to something more biblical. Curiously when the mayan calendar started, in 3114BC, that was another decade of a powerful T-square alignment. Was it the time of at noas ark tale? Certainly that decade had a big impact at least for Hindus, since it was the death of Khrsina too!

        At least i hope there will be a transformation of the world towards a more sustainable and harmonious world.
        • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

          Fri, July 11, 2008 - 3:04 AM
          Yes. From every corner in the world, from every perspective, be it wholistic or scientific: Transformation on a planetary level. Also interesting: before the Aligment moves into position completely: A Yod - Sun sextile Saturn (Virgo) - Neptune cojunct Chiron in Aquarius. Then the sixth of August the Moon enters Cancer to complete the Cardinal T-cross. All Transsaturnals will be retrograde though, does this mean it will the effect will be stalled or just experienced subjectively?
          • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

            Sat, July 12, 2008 - 6:42 AM
            True, it is the aspect that counts, in Cetus there are no big stars at that point. The point is sensitive but I introduced it more for didactic purpose. Still I myself came to suspect 201o for reasons of my own, or unreasons. I see 2009 as subprime chaos, 2010 as apoc, 2011 as grand finale and 2012 as revelation. There might be a little war ahead even within the U.S.A., ... if Solar Fire does not lie. I used the primary mundane directions, I guess, by default, should check with Naibod, ... Today I upgraded all publications for Chiron Neptune angular progression, that is conjunctions, interesting data, ... will need days to filter the essential, ... but am aware of little Chiron and Neptune, Damocles is there and a host of buzzing centaurs and even Lilith (the asteroid) joins in in a while...
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Thu, July 17, 2008 - 9:07 AM
    I don't mean to discount doomsday chronicles. I think dwelling on these things creates a mindset that isn't healthy. Perhaps I'm also too cynical, but a few things I've "lived through" include:

    1. In 1917, the apparitions to the children of Fatima gave the children three secrets. The third secret was supposedly opened by the Pope, and it was said that the message would be known in 1960, and that it was frightening and horrible and we're all going to die, etc. etc. etc. Big news. The world did not come to an end in 1960. And the Pope didn't reveal the secret.

    2. Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, said that in the 1970s the eastern coast of the United States would be under water. Not exactly, but the country was consumed with WATERgate at the time.

    3. In 1999, there were books being written about how the world would go into total annihilation because the computers weren't up to speed for Y2K. Not to be forgotten, in the year 999, half the population of Europe was convinced that the world would come to an end in 1000. Many gathered in churches on New Year's Eve, and some even died of fright. The world, as you may have noticed, did not come to an end in 1000.

    4. Nostradamus supposedly predicted the end of the world in 1999, and the eclipse of August, 1999 that featured a horrific grand cross was the harbinger of this. Since then, that eclipse is given as the reason for just about everything that has happened. Some awful stuff, yes, but has there ever been a time on earth when there wasn't? Also, people said that Nostradamus "never predicted beyond 1999." Not true.

    It's safe to say, I think, that we can experience, and have continued to experience, the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT. Sept. 11, 2001 certainly ended the world as we once knew it.

    And now we have the Mayan prophecy. I would recommend anyone concerned about it should go to an article that attempts to shed the light of reason on this. I'm sure the article has flaws in it, but a different viewpoint never hurt anyone. The URL is:

    tcurious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php

    A quote from that article:

    The fact that the winter solstice on 2012 is "aligned" with the plane of the Galaxy has no significance.
    It takes the winter solstice 700-1400 years to cross the plane of the Galaxy.
    The solstice last year (2005) was within 0.1 degrees (or 1/5th the size of the Sun) of where it will be on 2012.
    The Sun crosses the plane of the Milky Way twice every year with no ill effect.

    A number of years ago, I wrote a poem re Nostradamus and his prophecies. The last two stanzas suddenly come to mind:

    It’s wonderful
    That he did know
    Just when the world
    Would likely go.

    But did he see
    What’s really sad
    The worlds unstarted
    Lives not had.

    Thanks, Partha, for allowing me to vent.

    Michele Adler
    www.micheleadler.com
    • No Stormcrow

      Thu, July 17, 2008 - 9:20 AM
      Hey, I'm just a bug...I would never, ever pretend to know WHAT will happen... Personally I don't believe the world is going to end...
      Though, I do know things will 'change'...I think change -in the context of these times- is not a strong enough word.

      Uranus conjunct Jupiter in Aries, just let it sink in....yeah, yeah...I know, it happened before...but not in this Grand Cross Configuration and not coroborated by so much seemingly unrelated phenomena: 2012, Solar Flares, Magnetic Shift, Holy Cross...etc.

      I'm no stormcrow, I just want to get info...from other perspectives...Thanks though.
      • Re: No Stormcrow

        Fri, July 18, 2008 - 8:49 AM
        Partha, I think the point I'm trying to make is that there will always be unusual configurations with the planets. My irritation is with the concept that planetary configurations are always portents of doom. It's the concept I have a hard time with, and I appreciate your presenting the opportunity to discuss it. I tend to see all astrological phenomena in terms of cycles.

        I remember attending an astrology conference in the 1980s. At that time, there was an upcoming Saturn/Neptune conjunction and a lot of the astrologers there were predicting all sorts of calamities. (The previous Saturn/Neptune conjunction had been in 1953. The next would not be until 2026--in 00 Aries, oddly enough.) The conjunction was in the 10th degree of Capricorn, and would occur on Nov. 13, 1989.

        So what happened? On November 9, 1989, the Berlin Wall fell. Neptune the dissolver of Saturnian structures. The border separating East and West Germany was opened. Of course, the Berlin Wall dissolution was highly symbolic of other things going on politically. The fall of the Berlin Wall has been used as a symbol for the end of the Cold War. It's funny how you rarely see any reference to that conjunction and the Berlin Wall. (Or I have not seen any.)

        It's an example worth considering.

        Michele
    • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

      Fri, July 25, 2008 - 1:06 AM

      2. Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, said that in the 1970s the eastern coast
      of the United States would be under water. Not exactly, but the country was consumed with WATERgate at the time.

      Cayce could not calculate his own ascendant but he was agile in putting Atlantis under the nose of Nassau?
      However, Cayce is not the Baptist and has made many errors that are nevertheless exploitable by the family organization.

      Cayce is a liar, that is plain. Nothing was under water. 1970 was just conveniently distant in time for him.
  • Re: Cardinal T-cross in 2010

    Sat, July 26, 2008 - 11:56 PM
    This is from the Book of Enoch, in an augury that astrologers know the time is up.

    2. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, ⌈which⌉ the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come.