Bordeline personality disorder

topic posted Sat, July 25, 2009 - 6:47 AM by  anči
What do you think what signs, planets, aspets, can influence on someone to have BPD. I know the key lies beyond astrology here, but still, im thinking from astrological point of view, is it a lot of water in the chart, challenging uranus aspects.... what say you?
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    Sat, July 25, 2009 - 7:04 AM
    I was diagnosed with BPD and have managed it with a lot of cognitive therapy as well as DBT therapy which is specifically for BPD. Yes, my chart does have more water than anything else but I wouldn't say it over dominates. My Uranus Sextiles with my Sun, Trines with my Mercury and is in Opposition with my Chiron.
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      Sat, July 25, 2009 - 11:32 PM
      Your chart looks exactly like mine. We have the same pattern, although yours isn't as exact as mine. I'm not sure whether I have borderline disorder though. I think if I ever went to a shrink, they could probably classify me under 10 different disorders atleast, but I have to say that the traits of borderline disorder is unusually accurate.

      My main inner struggle is the feeling of knowing what I want, but never getting it, because at the same time, I know that the only way for me to go out and grab the things I want, I have to compromise most of my other wants and needs.
      I have a really hard time making decisions for this reason. Every choice is a sacrifice. Sometimes, for no apparent reason, I can say no, when I really want to say yes, and also the other way around. It's like I'm switching between these different personalities. I'm extremely self-destructive for this reason, because I can always come up with a reason why I shouldn't do something.
      Usually when I make decisions, it's in terms of what's the less bad choice, rather than what's the best choice.

      Anyway, I realised some time ago that this pattern which we share was the main reason why I struggled so much with life in general, and now I'm even more convinced. Basically, the key component of this pattern is the inconjunct/quincunx aspect.
      This aspect is kind of like having that person you can't get along with as your co-worker. Either, the stronger person will "use and abuse" the weaker one, or they "use and abuse" eachother. Or if they're lucky, they just ruin a good job opportunity for eachother. That's basically how this aspect works.
      My chart is splitting between Aries and Gemini vs Scorpio and Capricorn. The signs on either side like eachother, but they can't stand the signs on the opposite side. If I choose the left side, then the right side will always interfere. The end result is a feeling of never being content with your choices in daily life, and from a larger perspective, having that feeling that maybe you're heading the wrong direction in life.

      The pattern may look quite stable, but in reality it's not. I think that the perceived stability might be the actual problem. Atleast I know that I try too hard sometimes to make things stable, and too often I put my own feelings aside, to make sure I avoid a potentially messy situation. But how do you make two complete opposites content at the same time? There really is just one choice. Walk the middle ground, and that's exactly what I've been doing.
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        Sun, July 26, 2009 - 1:36 AM
        Alex ~

        I find what you say here fascinating. There are some who would say that a person with Borderline Personality Disorder proper lacks the self-insight to see and understand their own behavior. Personality disorders tend to be so psychically pervasive as to seemingly shut the door on any type of adjustment. So either you do not have the disorder, or you have reached a level of healing, brought about through your dissatisfaction with self, where you are in fact able to have insight into your behavior and motives. Since you yourself see what you consider hallmark aspects that explain your perception of having this disorder, it is likely that you are healing and able to help heal others by sharing what you experience. Would you say that you just see the reflection of the disorder in your chart, or did studying your chart help you discover the disorder there?
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          Sun, July 26, 2009 - 2:45 PM
          I think my first realisation was when I started to look really deeply into inconjuncts a couple of weeks ago. The concept that you compartmentalize the two individual energies was very powerful to me, because I realised that's how I felt about my life in general, and there's a noticable inconjunct pattern in my chart. My life is like a neverending struggle of being productive. So I guess I saw my disorder in the visual representation of the chart, and when you can see the full picture, it's easier to pull all the pieces apart, to figure out why it works that way.

          I have studied my midpoints and because of the symmetry, many of my midpoints are linked together in late 24~ deg Aquarius, in the 4th house, and the midpoint for the sum of the planets involved is this pattern is also at the same 24 deg Aquarius. It seems like this midpoint is important in my chart, and I have Juno around there too, at 21 deg. I am extremely attracted to Aquarian women. I even made a list of my main crushes some time ago. 5 out of 9 had either their Sun or Moon in late 21-25 deg Aquarius. Another girl had a 25 deg Aquarius Mercury and it was amazing how much I enjoyed talking to her. And another girl had all her personal planets except the moon in 20-25 deg Leo, where they were in direct opposition with this point. So, 7 out of 9 had strong ties to this point. That's a pretty strong Juno. Now I'm pretty sure it's not all about Juno. It makes sense that I would be attracted to them because they naturally have the ability to balance out my chart.
          Apart from all these women, the first friend I had, and the only person who I have really felt I could interact naturally with, had a Aquarius Sun at 25 deg. He's the only person I can remember, who I never felt uncomfortable hanging out with 1on1.

          Anyway, I'm sorry if this is getting a bit off topic, but the point I'm trying to make (I think) is that the midpoints might give clues on how to balance out a chart with heavy inconjunct emphasize. Atleast that's what my experience says. Now I just have to figure out what Juno in the 4th house Aquarius means.
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                Re: Bordeline personality disorder

                Sun, July 26, 2009 - 7:53 PM

                <<I mean, I don't see any peasants or foreigners studying astrology on here. Peasants are unlikely to have internet acess and foreigners are better educated and have lives that they live.>>

                <<P.S. the world literally laughs at neurotic, middle aged white american women.>>

                oh but there are foreigners on here!!! and some unemployed people... which is like a temporary peasant?

                oh and there is men here too!!

                ... and young people, and old people, and middle aged's crazy!!

                being neurotic is not gender specific.... this is not based on astrological observation... just people watching skills :-)
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      Re: Bordeline personality disorder

      Sun, July 26, 2009 - 2:28 AM
      Maybe a uranus opposition is enough to bring about symptoms of BPD - based on what you have in your chart, SecSip.

      I'm glad that you have found some things that help manage it.
      • Re: Bordeline personality disorder

        Sun, July 26, 2009 - 3:09 AM
        riptide ~

        I have 11H Leo Uranus opp 5H Aquarius Moon conj Chiron. I have never been diagnosed with BPD by any of the psychiatrists, psychologists, or occupational therapists I have seen. Now, it came out in some of these therapies that probably one of my ex-husbands had BPD, so there might be something "karmic" there, but I think that could be a stretch just for having that aspect in my chart.
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          Sun, July 26, 2009 - 3:44 AM
          I suppose I should say that what I have been diagnosed as having are depressive reaction, anxiety manifesting in panic attacks, and a mild form of PTSD that incorporates both depression and anxiety. It could depend upon what exactly Uranus is opposing in an opposition, and not just Uranus oppositions in general.

          Does it seem strange that I manifest these problems in light of how I show I confront them? I think so. Self-healing always looks weird, if you ask me.
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    Re: Bordeline personality disorder

    Sat, July 25, 2009 - 8:11 AM
    Maybe a pattern of tight oppositions involving H6 and H12 - or two stelliums in opposition

    I'm thinking about swinging back and forth between extremes there with subconscious and physical energy ...

    But it would depend on more than just the chart like you said.
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      Sat, July 25, 2009 - 9:41 AM
      Intresting what you said here. I have opposition between stellium in my 6th house to chiron in the 12th house. And i have BPD... i know its more than just chart but anyway here it is
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        Re: Bordeline personality disorder

        Sun, July 26, 2009 - 2:26 AM
        Wow Roxy!

        I swear I didn't look at your chart first!

        It is interesting that my guess matches your situation - actually, I didn't even know you had BPD!
        I'm sure that this pattern between the 6th and 12th house involving oppositions isn't the only signature of BPD one would find in a chart.

        From an astrology stand point, the issue would be finding balance in this situation - as far as I understand it.
        But I am not actually a therapist or psychologist or anything - so I wouldn't say much more than that ... maybe if you are seeing someone for BPD - see what they think about it before taking it too far just based on my little guess and lack of experience hehe!
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      Sat, July 25, 2009 - 10:00 AM
      I have none of that.
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        Sat, July 25, 2009 - 12:05 PM
        1st respectfully, I do believe that some personality types labeled are falsely labeled. I worked as a mental health professional in Chicago and found that one client we had was diognosed with this disorder. She has an enormous IQ and a family who were adverage in IQ. She did tend to ramble out of desperation because she had been conditioned by her family and others to be sen as different. I found that the agency I worked for would give this diognosis when they were at a loss to diognos anything else. I also learned that over 1/2 the therapist were less than "sane" themselves. Coming from a traditional Native American background of history and also south american history pre columbian it is odd that cetain western diognosis of "mental" diorders were placed higher up on a scale in society ratherr than problematic.
        Schizophrenia for example were trained to be prophets. So , with all do respect to astrology and westerners idias of "normal" I would have to say the planets were still influencing peoples lives before Freud or modern day psychiotrists and yet how societies diagnosed or treated people as individuals was different. When you think about it, we would have few paintings in our art galleries, few books to read, and less music to listen too, if current psycholgy were placed on creative people or people in general. Einstein for example had (sp?) ashburgers) disease and thus wore the same thing everyday and had differences to place him as odd or different.Mr. IBM, richest man in the wold has thee is my small 2 cents on culture and society vs. psychological disorders to include astrological influences. I respect your state of mind and perhaps troubles it may have caused you;However, I do think it is not a black or white issue in terms of astrology or society. I would be curious as to talents and abilities you might possess despite or because of your labeleled borderline personality disorder? I bet you are special in a good way!
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          Sat, July 25, 2009 - 12:15 PM
          Raymond's Astrology of Neurodivergence tribe would be a good place to post on this topic. Raymond takes a very detailed approach to discussing things like psychological diagnoses vs. neurodivergence diagnoses, etc. He uses a broad spectrum of astrological tools, including midpoints, harmonics, and asteroid aspects to locate clues to neurodivergencies an other conditions.
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          Sat, July 25, 2009 - 4:58 PM
          Is this in response to me or are you using the you in an editorial sense?
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            Sat, July 25, 2009 - 5:46 PM
            I'd think it would be a much better idea to look for understandings and explanations of BPD in the real world FIRST before galavanting off into Astrology - The Metaphysical field of Projections - to seek "answers."

            You know, scientific studies, and all that jazz.

            Of course neither tradition has all or even the majority of "answers," but beginning from a sound and grounded place would be a better place to start IMO.
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              Sat, July 25, 2009 - 5:49 PM
              I didn't come to this thread for any of the above reasons.

              Thank you though.
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                Re: Bordeline personality disorder

                Sat, July 25, 2009 - 5:55 PM
                Perhaps you came looking for understanding or solace.

                Good luck then.

                You're welcome.
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                  Sat, July 25, 2009 - 6:07 PM
                  The poster asked for an astrological perspective in an astrological tribe.
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                    Re: Bordeline personality disorder

                    Sun, July 26, 2009 - 12:55 AM
                    Yes, thank you Yoda for clearing that up for dazed and confused Hype... - the one who radiates both heat and light. All that radiation and yet she cant read or understand ... or read with understanding, but still for some reason tries to be an wise ass. Maybe all that radiation has blinded her
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                      Sun, July 26, 2009 - 1:23 AM
                      Just an FYI ~ Hype is a guy. Interesting that you perceived him as a female, though. Perhaps that has something to do with his co-opting one of FaF's avatars ~ the sunburst butterfly/moth. I can see how that would communicate femininity.
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                        Sun, July 26, 2009 - 4:25 AM
                        yeah, i know Hype is a guy, but since he likes to dress as female, i thought why not just play along. I am not gona ruin some poor guys fantasy life - im not that cruel.
                        You are always gonna be sissy for me Hype, no matter what they say : )
                • Re: Bordeline personality disorder

                  Sat, July 25, 2009 - 6:14 PM
                  To test a theory it only makes sense to see if others who also have what it being discussed the same things in their charts. It only makes sense to join into the thread.

                  You really 'do' remind me of someone even though you have denied it several times on here. And I find it incredibly funny that you chose to address me as if I was the OP in a thread with this particular subject. Interesting indeed.
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                  Sun, July 26, 2009 - 4:10 AM
                  Hyperbole ~

                  I think what it is that you do not seem to understand about the majority of people on this tribe is that they are not taking astrology as gospel. Most people here are exploring some ancient systems to see FOR THEMSELVES what validity or lack thereof those particular ancient systems offer them. Kind of as variation on not throwing the baby out with the bath water ~ in this case, don't discount it just because it is old. Age and wisdom sometimes do go hand in hand, so why not see what wisdom the old ones thought worth communicating?

                  Ptolemy had an extraordinary astro-mathematical intellect. I am quite sure that none of us here can compare with him in that regard. Yet he believed in astrology and produced his Almagest in support of it. Was he just a "primitive"? Deluded? A mind so far beyond his age and peers that he should be considered a boob for taking up for astrology? ????

                  What makes you think that your skeptical view of astrology is any more logical than another person's open mind about it, given that far more brilliant people than you or I have found credence in it?
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              Re: Bordeline personality disorder

              Sun, July 26, 2009 - 3:05 AM
              Of course neither tradition has all or even the majority of "answers," but beginning from a sound and grounded place would be a better place to start IMO.

              I'd say that the two would serve to strengthen each other - knowledge about the nature of BPD hinting at where to look in the chart and the chart modeling possible ways of understanding it using archetypes and symbology that is meaningful to the individual involved (and perhaps even making use of patterns that have worked in the past based on tradition).

              I don't think astrology can easily be reduced only to projections. There are cyclical patterns and long-standing traditions as well as deeply motivated psychological archetypes involved.

              Of course just what astrology is may be different from person to person - and that is something that we all need to respect on this very wide and broad "astrology" tribe.
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          Re: Bordeline personality disorder

          Sun, July 26, 2009 - 2:38 AM
          I agree Kalonapossessorofpeace that many people are misunderstood and misdiagnosed. I think it is important that astrology not be used to make this problem worse ... it might give clues about things but can't be used to label or judge people all by itself.

          I think that being different shouldn't be enough to label someone as being a problem or having a sickness.

          People try to label and categorize these things that they often don't understand or experience themselves.
          I guess that all of this creates a lot of resistance in people (including myself) towards anything that might seem too unusual or "crazy".

          But I have heard it said that even among psychologists, therapists, and psychiatrists - if a person is able to find ways to cope and function in their lives then their differences aren't termed as "illnesses" in the same way. But a big part of learning to cope is learning to accept your own way of being different.

          I guess my posting a few nights ago might have looked bipolar ... actually I was just catching up on actually writing down a lot of things that I had been thinking but had been unable to respond to due to lack of time ... I just got to look at things now for today hehe! And I still haven't gotten to all those good articles I wanted to check out. I'll try again tomorrow but maybe I will give myself an absolute post limit so I don't scare anyone and make them think I'm crazy.

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