Tribe.net. Local Connections Voyager http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#bc3c991f-1765-429c-b5e9-8189a3107538 2009-12-26T11:34:54Z 2009-12-26T11:34:54Z

Its amazing how accurate you guys are with ur interpretations...i am a true amateur...lol...once i read ur summary i see the light...ur absolutely right, i do not have so much interest in marriage...and yes i love my alone time...and not much into committing to long term relationships with anyone...i am more of a tourist when it comes to relationships...but i love long journeys, new places, foods, ideas, knowledge....the unknown, mysterious and so on. So yes ur spot on there!! thanks a lot tanit!! appreciate it! still a lot to learn-voyager. :)

Voyager 2009-12-26T11:34:54Z Tanit http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d7d049ba-ba1b-47bb-8a6c-6005f4217b93 2009-12-26T11:29:22Z 2009-12-26T11:29:22Z

Voyager - the 7th ruler (Merc in Leo in the 8th) is more likely descriptive of your future spouse (also the Moon for a man marrying a woman, Sun for a woman marrying a man), Juno is just an added thing. I have heard that retro marriage rulers indicate that the native doesn't think much about marriage, and may not marry at all, or will just one day decide to do so, even though they never thought much on it before. I think you'd more likely be married to your alone time with a 12th house Juno. You'd want freedom, especially with the Sag/Pisces influences. You'd need a partner who allows you some "me" time. Sag types usually like to travel, explore, learn, etc. So you might like a spouse who is more broad-minded. If marriage does turn out to be a self-undoing, it might be because you weren't that keen on it to begin with, or regretted it later (for the ball-and-chain factor).

Tanit 2009-12-26T11:29:22Z Voyager http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#794e47f9-d1da-497f-816e-76b87204754a 2009-12-26T10:58:10Z 2009-12-26T10:58:10Z

My Juno is in the 12th in sagittarius conjunct saturn trine mercury in leo in the 8th house and sun in cancer also in the 8th house. My marriage may be my undoing??? :P........probably a talkative wife as juno is in sagittarius......dont knw exactly what my placement means as 12th house is always a shady area.....any thoughts?

Voyager 2009-12-26T10:58:10Z Tanit http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#a31f4c41-c1d2-40d8-936a-95e078e3aa90 2009-12-26T09:01:25Z 2009-12-26T09:01:25Z

My own Juno ties in with the rest of my chart - Juno in Aries in the 10th, conjunct Mars/Aries, trine Saturn (my DC ruler), and square Jupiter. I think the Jupiter square and Saturn trine shows I'd likely end up with someone with different religious pursuits and a bit uptight, because I am often attracted to Capricorny Christian guys (who are also well regarded in their field - 10th). More likely I will be married to my ambitions though, as was mentioned here about 10th Juno. As far as betrayal goes, I am a private person in general, but usually my romance is known about by too many people (public work relationships - 10th), and there can be a sense of everyone knowing about what happens. My long-term relationship was well-known at work, and my boyfriend talked about what went on between us too much. He even told people at work that I was a virgin in the beginning... Another time I fell for a superior at work, who may or may not have felt the same way, and I kept it quiet until I quit (and he was quitting too) and told him. But now everyone knows about it, and I feel like fodder for my gossip-mongering old coworkers...

Tanit 2009-12-26T09:01:25Z Tanit http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#5b069fd5-8cf9-420f-b615-4cba7e78310f 2009-12-26T08:19:08Z 2009-12-26T08:19:08Z

Transiting significance: Juno transits give you the chance to look at how you relate in a partnership and to take responsibility for the ways in which you yourself can create less-than-constructive situations. When Juno is activated in your chart, ask yourself if you unconsciously give away too much power in relationships -- or if you are unable to put your own needs into perspective for the sake of a partnership. Take into account the natal significance of Juno aspecting Mars and it would be similar to a transit - "The stressful aspects (conjunction, square, and opposition) are indicators of arguments with partners. One of you may try to dominate the other." Since it's in the 2nd, perhaps arguments over finances could even happen.

Tanit 2009-12-26T08:19:08Z Tanit http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c76e0bef-22a4-4f9d-9650-f09f8c8571ba 2009-12-26T08:06:56Z 2009-12-26T08:06:56Z

"Interesting posts, there doesnt seem to be a lot of information on Juno in general.... Can someone help me out with what does Mars retrograde conjuncting natal juno in the 2nd house ? or where I can find some articles on this." Mars retro - are you referring to a transit? Transits to asteroids are rarely considered important. Here are some online interps: Juno in the 2nd House: This is the house of money, possessions, and one's sense of self-worth. Marriage will likely bring an increase in the sense of self worth. They could also seek to get married to improve their sense of self worth, but of course that seldom works. In this case, they usually don't pick the best partner. They will tend to stay even in a bad marriage because divorce for them could be devastating. They could also marry for money or regard their marriage partner as a possession. On the other hand, they may literally be married to their possessions, spending most of their time accumulating more and more. Juno in the 2nd: Issues of empowerment are directly connected to Self-worth, Self-image, and the ability to earn; here there may be a tendency to see the fidelity (or lack of fidelity) of the mate as more under one’s control than it actually is. Juno in the 2nd: Money and Love The placement Juno in the 2nd house indicates that money, job and relationships are often part of her relationship fabric. And, she often assisted her partners with their artistic careers, even taking on the details of their career success, promotion and launch of specific projects. Additionally, she is vulnerable to taking on the financial responsibilities of her amours and must handle this propensity with wisdom and awareness, so that she doesn't become a sugar person or a parental substitute. Another expression of these energies is that they can also be projected out and certainly she has the capacity to attract this kind of parental attention and support from her partners and in younger years attracted much older partners who played more of a parental role. With Juno in the 2nd, love and money may be deeply interconnected in her psyche. Juno in Leo: No, your partner does not have to be in show business, but they will tend to have showy qualities, be creative, or be very playful. On the other hand, they may be arrogant, bossy childlike, or immature, especially if Juno makes some stress aspects. In any case, give up any idea of attracting a shy, retiring type. Juno Aspects Mars: Marriage and partnership will stir you to action. In fact, you may need a partner to be active at all. The partners you attract will tend to be active, assertive, and aggressive. Conversely, having a partner may bring out these traits in you. The stressful aspects (conjunction, square, and opposition) are indicators of arguments with partners. One of you may try to dominate the other.

Tanit 2009-12-26T08:06:56Z nicci http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e73ba98e-7ce8-4eac-80f5-611803adfc8f 2009-12-26T07:50:17Z 2009-12-26T07:49:56Z

Interesting posts, there doesnt seem to be a lot of information on Juno in general.... Can someone help me out with what does Mars retrograde conjuncting natal juno in the 2nd house ? or where I can find some articles on this.

nicci 2009-12-26T07:49:56Z D http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#97d0f436-e099-4185-8db6-877d49ede11d 2007-06-30T04:05:39Z 2007-06-30T04:05:39Z

This is why I keep coming back to astrology to take a second look. After reading this thread I went in search to find where Juno is in my chart. I had written down somewhere that it is in Scorpio but hadn’t yet read anything about what Juno might represent. From one of the links provided here I read: “...you are wonderful at committing yourself to lengthy relationships and are extraordinarily loyal once you've decided on your course. You won't change your mind and will hang onto a relationship until the last dying end....” “Your partner is likely to be someone with a little mystery or a few secrets but a wise Juno in Scorpio chooses a partner who is giving, one who doesn't withhold affection or information in the interest of wielding power.” This is coincidental. My friend seems to think that the cosmos is trying to be blunt with me. ‘a little mystery or a few secrets’? That might all be well and good but I have a picture in my bathroom that says “Honesty” underneath it. Maybe I’m not such a wise Juno in Scorpio because I allow myself to be perpetually shocked whenever information is withheld. Where in a person’s chart might it indicate that someone is more likely to whip a dead horse than most? I couldn’t figure out what house my Juno is in. Maybe later on I’ll be able to take a look at the book that was mentioned but is there a way I could find out sooner? I’m curious. Just can’t get too sidetracked by astrology right now. Once I start reading it is easy to do and I'm trying to be more disciplined. That same piece also said, “You have a tendency to be a bit emotionally controlling but your strong points are your sensuality, your intensity, your attention to both the physical and emotional sides of love.” This is interesting to me because the first time I looked into my chart I read under Moon in Cancer in a book, "your mother’s influence... ...probably consisted of the best and worst of maternal love. She cared greatly for you, but used emotional blackmail to ensure that you cared for her. The chances are that you also tend to do this with those to whom you are emotionally attached. It would be wise to put a bit of space between yourself and your mother and anyone else in your emotional life.” That’s only one writer’s take on Moon in Cancer but when I read about Juno in Scorpio that book popped up in my mind. My Mom has some Scorpio(Asc, Venus, and Jupiter) influence in her chart but I’m not even close to figuring out how things work in comparing our ‘maps’. I wouldn’t like to think of myself as emotionally controlling but who would? Blackmail is a strong word. I don’t think of my mother that way. The older I’ve become I've recognized behaviors that I try to be conscious not to adopt (don’t we all with our parents?) but I would have never thought ‘emotional blackmail’. You may be thinking, well, you’re incredibly naive if you believe everything you read. It is not that. It takes time to come to your own conclusions and right now I’m just reading around.. Sherpa, I imagine that you would say that it is a continual process for you, even with the amount of time you’ve spent learning astrology. My curiosity is awake again and I’m just pondering. D

D 2007-06-30T04:05:39Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#de35eb2d-46d9-4f87-a058-80a9fde28548 2007-06-29T21:30:50Z 2007-06-29T21:30:50Z

I have to split soon, as I am in a Public Library... ...but thanks again for your insights, Sherpa.

FJ 2007-06-29T21:30:50Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#a2d9b74c-5549-46f6-bc40-52d57f7df126 2007-06-29T21:29:34Z 2007-06-29T21:29:34Z

Thanks, Sherpa. Yeah sometimes I think without Venus conj. Juno we might have thrown in the towel a few times. We also have a Grand Trine in Fire...but also some testy aspects and a slight lack of water between us. There is ALOT of Aries between us, and therefore competition. The fact that my Sun square her Venus is the only aspect I make to her Venus other then Uranus makes me wonder if she gets everything she needs. But of course, I am purist...and I think any aspect is simply an angle of integration and once the integration has taken place, everything is basically just a conjunction in the end. As ong as there are things which can smoothe and soothe the process of integration, I suppose challenges can be really fun...especially for Aries! Ha ha!

FJ 2007-06-29T21:29:34Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#25c6f17c-35e7-4734-a519-131f4165b948 2007-06-29T21:08:42Z 2007-06-29T21:08:42Z

re: "What about Venus conjunct partner's Juno in Pisces? " This symbolizes a deep affinity for your partner's internal marriage processes and conditions, encouraing compatibility from the start. Your partner also probably feels in some way married to your values or what makes your life worth living. All in all, a highly compatible synastry aspect.

sherpa 2007-06-29T21:08:42Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#18e16608-a356-49bd-9aee-a00f4fb12cb5 2007-06-29T20:57:22Z 2007-06-29T20:57:22Z

And our Junos AND my Uranus are in the 10th house... ...however, our ascendents are opposed (Me Sagg, her Gemini) so our Juno's are conjunct each other's Nadirs.

FJ 2007-06-29T20:57:22Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#b3f5b5da-d74d-47fa-908d-9734b682970c 2007-06-29T20:50:36Z 2007-06-29T20:50:36Z

What about Venus conjunct partner's Juno in Pisces? Pisces is trying to meld and blend with another, I suppose. As in "soul-integration". Juno needs to sense that this is happening in order to escape the crippling feelings of possible betrayal, and melding is what Venus in Pisces instinctively does to simply make things "beatiful". It seems that as along as the Venus person in this case can apply his Venusian tendencies in a relationship, then the Juno would be getting what she needs. With my Venus in the 4th House, I tend to consider the integration of lives as culminating in "living together", as in "sharing he same abodes. Finding someone you can live with. However, my partner has her Juno in her 10th. My own Juno is also in my 10th with a quincunx to her Venus in Taurus in the 12th. She sure does get me to adjust those wild Uranian tendencies, and honestly...I am happier that way...but you know, when you go to the chiropractor things get kind of intense with all that cracking and popping before you actually feel "adjusted"! ;-) I suppose in the end it's good.

FJ 2007-06-29T20:50:36Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#1fe3374c-8fa6-45f6-8292-ae8624a7981a 2007-06-29T20:47:38Z 2007-06-29T20:47:38Z

Libra trying to balance Uranian freedom and uniqueness between two people, and the fulcrum is quite sensitivea dn trigger-happy...especially with Uranus!!! YES

sherpa 2007-06-29T20:47:38Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#92baada6-ee30-479e-9af3-515a692c485f 2007-06-29T20:38:12Z 2007-06-29T20:38:12Z

Oh, I see how you're thinking: Libra trying to balance Uranian freedom and uniqueness between two people, and the fulcrum is quite sensitivea dn trigger-happy...especially with Uranus!!!

FJ 2007-06-29T20:38:12Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#1864bd6c-99d3-4b92-8c4c-dc3758bcc447 2007-06-29T20:26:32Z 2007-06-29T20:26:32Z

>one is only as free as the partner is. Freedom here means self-government or sovereignty Betrayal can come from any display of oppression to one's own autunomy and/or another's autonomy< I can see how this COULD apply...however, I also my North Node in Aquarius and South in Leo...so I think I get alot of that from there! It's really hard to separate one rom the other. Maybe I have serious karma in that arena which has manifested in several ways to ASSURE that I confront EVERYWHERE until I chill.

FJ 2007-06-29T20:26:32Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6ef5befd-71c4-4e50-8f47-32c1d4fe3f41 2007-06-27T18:41:08Z 2007-06-27T18:41:08Z

re: "Juno is at 18* Libra conjunct Uranus." This combination can indicate an internal marriage to the dictates and conditions supporting mutual or shared autonomy, meaning, one is only as free as the partner is. Freedom here means self-government or sovereignty Betrayal can come from any display of oppression to one's own autunomy and/or another's autonomy.

sherpa 2007-06-27T18:41:08Z N2 http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8ba3e5f0-e20f-4e6d-ad50-94c4c11ac269 2007-06-27T18:25:10Z 2007-06-27T18:25:10Z

My Juno is in my 2nd house. "Juno in the second house implies that value is placed in the financial and material security derived from their relationship. Mutual interdependency in providing for each other's needs is an important factor in compatibility. This person's most important relationship interactions will occur in the area of attachments and possessions." juno under capricorn: Your need is for a practical partner who is a good organizer and can help you in business. Don't expect them to show too much emotion. Futhemore these people seeks depth and the assurance of long-term commitment in their relationship, and therefore may need the security of traditional and legally sanctioned forms. These individuals may attempt to control their partners and demand obedience or withdraw emotionally if their need for respect and stability is threatened. Wow! this is serious never expected this.

N2 2007-06-27T18:25:10Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#53b7b9f4-227d-4904-bc50-26f3c867102c 2007-06-27T17:59:38Z 2007-06-27T17:59:38Z

I have never felt the "what I am married to" thing through Juno, but the "betrayal issues" topic speaks loudly. My Juno is at 18* Libra conjunct Uranus. I have a tendency to be wildly and crazily on the lookout for hidden signs of unfairness in a relationship. I am always making sure that EVERYTHING is balanced and that nobody is getting a shorter stick. I am admittedly a little compulsive about it, so I try to keep this tendency to myself. I can't say am married to anything especially Libran, and none of my ex-lovers ever really has much that aspected my Juno. I always foudn that my planets have been moe likely to aspect a lover's Juno than vica-versa. Maybe it has something to do with gender and "what women want" and what men are trying to be. So maybe a man's Juno hasmore to with his lover than himself...and a woman's Juno has to with her more than with her lover. I don't usually like to think like this in astrology, but at times the compass seems to point that way...so what can you do? In my current relationship, my Venus is conjunct my GF's Juno. My own Juno is in Libra, Venus rules Libra and my Venus is in Pisces (sam as her Juno) so our Junos have this Pisces thing...except mine has this Libra/Uranus thing attached and it seems that my greatest betrayal issues come from being afraid that the person I trust has a dark side and will be very unfair with me at some point. Venus in Pisces makes me very sensitive about it. My GF on the other hand with her Juno in Pisces seems to worry about a person's feelings being genuine and there being NO smoke and mirrors and that people MUST marry for love and nothing else. Her Juno is disposited by Saggitarius and Scorpio, and she seems to expect deception and superficiality. She LOOKS for it, even though she doesn't want it. Maybe Juno asks us to constantly ask ourselves if our love and our lover is real, in fear of some great betrayal or let-down. This is the kind of stuff that people's hearts go through when they are getting ready to go to the altar: Last minute second guesses and the realization that you ar about to attach yourself to someone in a way that creates (emotional) liability and vulnerability for both, and it is not easily taken back. I can't say that I am married to Libran characteristics. I am slightly Uranian in the way I go about "testing" my love sometimes. I have to make sure everything is balanced, and I have all kinds of wierd ways of reassuring myself, whereas my girlfriend more openly shows her mistrust when she is feeling vulnerable (Neptune/Scorpio). When we have our less-than-romantic moments, I often feel liek she is feverishly trying to convict me of being a deat-beat, even though she can't really back any of it up! I guess she is just thinking, "Wellm if I TREAT him like a deadbeat he will prove me wrong if he is NOT one!" ...and that is the most insane logic I ever heard! How can you prove anything when ANYTHING you say is used against you? Sounds like Scoprio to me (the dispositor of her Juno) always looking for the "real dirty reason" behind other people's behavior. It's funny how UN-malicious and naive (Sagg her co-dispositor) she is about this; she's not really nasty...just unfair. I think Juno is about the trust that must b present to have a successful marriage. Marriage implies that you are laying your life out on the table for each other, and you won't do that unless you have eliminated all sense of risk, unfairness, fear and doubt to a reasnoable degree.

FJ 2007-06-27T17:59:38Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#47802063-7772-4cee-8d4f-a3e78470a45d 2007-06-27T15:06:28Z 2007-06-27T15:06:28Z

re" What other things would come into play, being in the 3rd House?" Married to your process of continual learning and communication (especially conversation) and so the internal contract here really is about self-communication and intelligence increase. Compatibility in external relationships may depend on the partner acknowledging your intelligence and with being able to maintain communication lines. Communication breakdown could be a deal-breaker.

sherpa 2007-06-27T15:06:28Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6d3ec682-e4b6-4b4b-a0a3-82e96e8d417d 2007-06-27T09:44:42Z 2007-06-27T09:44:42Z

Sherpa, I have Juno in Taurus in the 3rd House , so I relate to this...altho not so much the material security part, in comparison to others anyway, not that I don't enjoy it , I just wouldn't say it was a high priority...inner marriage to self worth speaks volumes. For example, if you have Juno in Taurus or the 2nd House, you are probably married to your values and material security. Successful marriage to someone else depends on finding a partner who acknowledges your values and your worth and with whom you can build a relationship that preserves the inner marriage to your worth. When your values are ignored or violated (by you and/or your lover), a sense of betrayal can detabilize the external marriage. What other things would come into play, being in the 3rd House?

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-27T09:44:42Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c06b902d-0ce4-4ba2-9c95-9c3bca8f31bb 2007-06-27T08:02:02Z 2007-06-27T08:02:02Z

SagSun re; "Libra/2nd house Juno" as you said, married to one's values; it could also mean married to their money, talents and/or other resources. libra also is very relationship-defined and so the condition of this marriage may have to do with the experience of shared values. for this person, a conflict of values with the partner might be a deal-breaker. a libra juno can also denote being married to being married, as in the necessity for coupling to establish a sense of worth, value and even status.

sherpa 2007-06-27T08:02:02Z bluehorses http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d7519ed3-9913-49e5-a394-773ef34e5c9f 2007-06-27T07:00:50Z 2007-06-27T07:00:50Z

Juno conjunct moon in sag in 10th house. Moon is close conjunct GC. I'm married to ideals and finding larger patterns in how every day interactions between people and cultures benefit the world and people and peaceful survival. I'm married to personal integrity. I'm not too particular about what exactly a person's ideals are as long as they are true to themselves and others and not selfish. Because of this I think people tend to put their best side forward around me regarding their personal ideals and personal ethics. I feel betrayed when people habitually comprimise their ethics for self serving reasons. Or habitually change their values in order to justify self serving actions. Nobodys perfect but if there's a definite pattern there I get disgusted.

bluehorses 2007-06-27T07:00:50Z SagSun http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ed5eb60a-f40c-44c5-92ae-22c7b940e217 2007-06-27T03:41:10Z 2007-06-27T03:41:10Z

Hi Sherpa, Thank you for your feedback. Yes, this sounds pretty on target -- though I get a little confused when my Jupiter in the 7th feels in tension with those pulls toward solo contemplation. Like, "more time with partner -- no, more time alone..." But it's a lot more balanced now than when I was younger. We have a nice two-bedroom apartment here -- neither of us is interested in the ultra-closeness of sharing a bedroom -- and only occasionally do either of us start feeling stifled by sharing the apartment itself. :-) It's nice to finally find a partner who has similar needs in the autonomy area. Internally, it used to be more an issue of pure time alone vs. together. In recent years, I've realized the refinement that it's more an issue of whether I am doing meditation, contemplation, in a way that feeds me, or am I capitulating to what I perceive other people's more worldly priorities are. And that is definitely an area where if I start betraying myself, I get much more watchful for external betrayal by others. If I'm centered in the contemplative way that balances me, I'm much less concerned about others' potential betrayal, because at least I'm being true to myself. Probably I'm still not quite where I'd like to be in terms of fully honoring that need. I'm afraid that if I really went with that, I would not have any relationship, which I also deeply value. Any thoughts on the Libra/2nd house Juno? My few thoughts thus far: would want a steady, equal relationship. Internally married to one's own values...I'm not really strong on understanding Libra or the 2nd house well yet. Thank you! SagSun

SagSun 2007-06-27T03:41:10Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f3df4500-74c0-40f7-99b5-4a783b943b6d 2007-06-25T22:56:07Z 2007-06-25T22:56:07Z

SagSun According to my way of using Juno, yes, you need a partner who can share this sort of thing or at least, be in harmony with it or support it. The conflict might arise if and when a partner has a problem with your " iconoclastic explorations of the cosmic consciousness/universe". I'd also say you are probably married to your solitude and autonomy; partners would have to get along with those conditions to assure relationship longevity with you. The contract of this "internal marriage" -- of Juno in the 12th house in Scorpio, conjunct Uranus -- expresses the binding conditions of requiring enough solitude to remain free. I think you know what that means, if not intellectually than surely, intuitively. The betrayal issues here involve any self-betrayal of ignoring your own needs for solitude and freedom in any a misguided compromise to staying in any longterm relationship. The model of intimacy and relationship compatibility here remind me of the following excerpt from the writings of poet, Rainer Maria Rilke: The point of marriage is not to create a quick commonality by tearing down all boundaries; on the contrary, a good marriage is one in which each partner appoints the other to be the guardian of his solitude, and thus they show each other the greatest possible trust. A merging of two people is an impossibility, and where it seems to exist, it is a hemming-in, a mutual consent that robs one party or both parties of their fullest freedom and development. But once the realization is accepted that even between the closest people infinite distances exist, a marvelous living side-by-side can grow up for them, if they succeed in loving the expanse between them, which gives them the possibility of always seeing each other as a whole and before an immense sky.

sherpa 2007-06-25T22:56:07Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8b7c4560-7ac1-4d55-ab4c-9460f00231c6 2007-06-25T22:50:52Z 2007-06-25T22:50:52Z

Lets see.... I will try to think of Juno as being what your cause is and its betrayal issues for a second..... Juno in Libra, 1st house... conjuct to Moon/Pluto, Sun/Neptune midpoint. Venus in Taurus, 9th house conjuct Pallas Athene, North Node. I could say I am married to the world... but that would conflict with the 1st house.... I have always felt that there isn't really a betrayal.... I do tend to work with whatever is set on my plate. I am naturally used to working by myself, but I don't mind if someone else is willing to put in a helping hand. For the most part... I undersand people are human....We can only do so much... I couldn't ever see myself losing my faith... to even feel betayed. Betrayal isn't something I can really comprehend.... For the most part... The Libraness might point towards undersanding social order.... The outer appearace is very important to me... It shows how well someone takes care of themselfs, and respect the largest organ on their body. So maybe that is what the Juno says....1st house .... Only you can betray yourself ...

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-25T22:50:52Z SagSun http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#986b0441-1ff8-4369-9e42-6009f5c31750 2007-06-25T22:17:17Z 2007-06-25T22:17:17Z

My Juno is in the 12th house in Scorpio, conjunct Uranus. Ok, let me try an interpretation: I am already internally married to my passionate involvement in iconoclastic explorations of the cosmic consciousness/universe. Well, that describes my last few years of astrology obsession pretty well...:-) So, I need a partner who can share this sort of thing with me? Is that on target? I don't know what this means about my betrayal issues...other than that I do indeed get super-paranoid and suspicious about possibly being betrayed on an all-too-frequent basis. My current partner has Scorpio Sun conjunct Uranus, which seems to match energetically...With both of our 9th house stuff added, our dinner conversations sound much like the philosophical wanderings of the movie "Waking Life." Which I quite enjoy. But his Juno is in Libra in the 2nd house, and I'm not really sure what this means at all. Equality, shared values...eh? SagSun

SagSun 2007-06-25T22:17:17Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ee96e958-a66c-445c-92a1-4ac8b31c487c 2007-06-25T18:11:04Z 2007-06-25T18:10:28Z

I like that way of looking at it... Marriage involves so many things: becoming "one flesh", emotional intimacy, sex, children, spiritual union, and yes also commitment/vows/contracts So when I refuse to go along with the crowd they ostricize me...when I refuse to do what everyone else is doing they kick me out...when I ignore the rules set by the cool people I no longer have the right to expect anyone from their group of admirers to be there for me when I need them ... even if I am being a good friend in terms of being nice, helpful, honest, fun, available and respectful etc etc...the social contract involves stupid things like the clothes I wear and the car I drive and the opinions that are in-vogue right now. If I break the contract of the group I no longer have the right to derive any benefits from them... <still love breaking the rules of the group...I'll take the consequences anyway and learn to stand on my own....darn you natal Uranus(can't you hear it laughing)!!!!!!!>

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-25T18:10:28Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#b91b1f17-3032-4d22-883a-1bd4fef8366a 2007-06-25T16:58:30Z 2007-06-25T16:58:30Z

Exactly Erin lol I agree....... There is many objects that move at astromical rates.... Like asteroid Hermes at 777 days to go around the Sun, can come closer to Earth then the Moon is from Earth.... Asteroid Ceres... Planet for alittle over a year.... then other objects were discovered.... Pluto....same thing, same deal.... now both are planetiods..... both only lasted about 1/3rd of their journey around the Sun based on discovery, to lose their status....

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-25T16:58:30Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#7f6f2637-cae4-4984-9a2d-067971c35d77 2007-06-25T13:59:17Z 2007-06-25T13:59:17Z

I guess there is not total agreement among astrologers on just how to treat asteroids. Some look at asteroid aspects but only with really tight orbs. Some ignore asteroid aspects totally and some say it depends on the particular asteroid. I am thinking especially about Eris ... I think it was Eris.... I was reading somewhere that the asteroid's orbit is so different in shape or w/e from the other planets that it doesn't aspect in the same way or something... But here is my thougts on it. Look at Pluto. No longer a formal planet... Orbit is wacky compared to other planets If we can make aspects with PLUTO Why not the other itty bitty wacky orbit asteroids? Personally, what I do is print off those charts then I draw in my own aspects and things with asteroids (and sometimes important angles IF they are activated by a hard aspect from a planet) with colored pens

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-25T13:59:17Z Story Time http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#b19457b2-1bf5-4214-a9c7-364fb7b90842 2007-06-25T03:58:22Z 2007-06-25T03:58:22Z

Rectification... It seems I have my Juno in the 3rd house...I hope I am reading it right cause I looked on my chart and I am not that good at all... Anyway, I read a bit about it... Oh well... I have to say the theory about Juno being about non committed relationships, more sexual in some ways is interesting because it seems to fit with me, it seems to match my sexuality type though I dream about the ultimate love and so on (Venus in Cancer)... S.

Story Time 2007-06-25T03:58:22Z John http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#cf11c677-abea-475e-aa31-1a9ea2c8e9e5 2007-06-25T03:14:36Z 2007-06-25T03:14:36Z

Is this like some glitch or do I not have Juno aspecting anything? http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/95b/c59/95bc5966-6455-47e9-adea-7e10bcd552b8 I mean, technically...shouldn't it aspect the same things other objects in Sagittarius aspect? What am I missing here? The whole chart it doesn't aspect one other thing(look at my grid)? That doesn't make sense.

John 2007-06-25T03:14:36Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#877b2204-9f3e-4b46-87c7-18c1dd9b51a7 2007-06-25T01:35:30Z 2007-06-25T01:35:30Z

This is from The Iliad "I am likewise a god, and my race is even what yours is, And I am first of the daughters of devious-devising Kronos, Both ways, since I am eldest born and am called your consort, Yours, and you in turn are lord over all the immortals. Come then in this thing, let us both give way to each other, I to you, you to me, and so the rest of the immortal gods will follow..." Sneaky lol...

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-25T01:35:30Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8d8c44a1-1882-4c49-8074-c13900e7ddc0 2007-06-25T01:26:34Z 2007-06-25T01:26:34Z

See, I kind of think that is wrong too lol.... rarely related to a literal marriage, make it sound as if cermonial commitment is something that is easy to look over.....internal... mystical... magical..... yada yada... If I had to aim towards that as my idealism of partnership... Well I would have been married, had two kids, and then on my second marrage. There is reasons why things are in ORDER... as Juno is the counterpart of Jupiter... She had the right to punish anyone that her husband messed around with....She was the legal and rightful spouse to Jupiter. if that isn't a contract... then I don't know what one is.... Alot of times, we come to this world with alot of people, and have to sacrfice one of our wants, for someone elses needs. There is reasons for oaths and loyalties.... You should be held accountable for your actions.... Lets face it.... Juno is a Boss.... Formalizing and ritualizing the social stucture....Marriage is a social institution.... "The Juno woman may sometimes be a bit lacking as a monther. It is recorded that when Juno gave birth to Vulcan (Greek: Hephaestus), she was disgusted by his ugliness and threw him out of heaven to the earth below. He later became her favorite son by fashioning nice jewelry for her. Juno mothers, concerned as they are with the mainteance of the social order, may favor the child who gets good grades, leads the football team or cheerleading squad, and generally performs like a "Hero" or "heroine" on behalf of the social order. And she may unwittingly or unintentionally neglect the child who is "different," or, in extreme cases, even cast her or him out of the family structure entirely, as Hera tossed Hephaestus off Olympus." Just think of the name Heracles.... "Glory of Hera"......The word hero is from Hera.... It is in the sevice of social institutions that true heros act..... Allan

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-25T01:26:34Z Kaylie Kaboom http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#10776ba5-c249-4afa-bf34-e2009a8c6e9e 2007-06-25T00:23:23Z 2007-06-25T00:23:23Z

Ah, well, I guess I should have added the houses, Aquarius- 7th house and Capricorn- 8th house... Funny, because we are in a VERY long distance relationship, so his Aquarius was right on. lol

Kaylie Kaboom 2007-06-25T00:23:23Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#7580836f-62d5-4569-b560-25740f1dc699 2007-06-24T18:59:10Z 2007-06-24T18:59:10Z

Kaylie Kaboom I would suggest that what "sucks" is not Juno but those stereotyped definitions for Capricorn and Aquarius. Juno also does not necessarily have to do with "the partner" unless it's in the 7th House. Juno is more about symbolic marriage than a literal one. Juno in Capricorn simply means that someone tends to be married to their goals and ambitions and they are better off with a partner who does not have a problem with that. Juno in Aquarius simply means that someone tends to be married to their friends and "tribe", and they are better off with a partner who does not have a problem with that.

sherpa 2007-06-24T18:59:10Z Kaylie Kaboom http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#45eaaff2-f5ce-47a1-a605-f3ecfa70a457 2007-06-24T17:21:25Z 2007-06-24T17:21:25Z

Me: Juno in Capricorn: Your need is for a practical partner who is a good organizer and can help you in business. Don't expect them to show too much emotion. My partner: Juno in Aquarius: You need a partner that's - well - different. They may be a genius, eccentric, or just plain insane (maybe all of the above). It may be the partnership that is different. Aquarius is a sign that is fanatic about independence and having enough space. A bi-costal marriage where the two people spend a good deal of time apart is a good situation for the Pallas in Aquarius individual. Um, this sucks....

Kaylie Kaboom 2007-06-24T17:21:25Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6dc5a31d-18e0-444e-bd22-cf3a373101b7 2007-06-24T16:06:01Z 2007-06-24T16:06:01Z

ooooooo owned yeah I am my own worst best friend ever lol So mean to myself sometimes >.< so owned wow.... yep

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-24T16:06:01Z Story Time http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#7f236369-9b0b-40e3-a032-966bb9cd8d96 2007-06-23T18:01:36Z 2007-06-23T18:01:36Z

So, I too have Juno in Aries (ouch) but with all the links you guys nicely pointed out I simply cannot find in what house... Help would be greatly appreciated... 06.06.1970 9:40pm Bayonne, France Merci, merci! S.

Story Time 2007-06-23T18:01:36Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f602fad5-ccda-41aa-8ece-f793012a83ec 2007-06-22T22:05:57Z 2007-06-22T22:05:57Z

Well there are a lot of things Juno in Capricorn could mean depending on the rest of your chart yadda yadda... Maybe some things to look at might be your job/career/status.... I'd start looking there.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-22T22:05:57Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e055800d-dad8-405d-8ea3-c2af82febf94 2007-06-22T20:52:28Z 2007-06-22T20:52:28Z

betrayal issues symbolized by Juno in 11th house can become dramatized as friends betraying you as long as you are betraying the internal marriage in some way, like, some form of self-betrayal stemming from a failure to become your own best friend (11th House). from your words, Erin, it seems that perhaps you have discovered as much and remedied the situation

sherpa 2007-06-22T20:52:28Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#efdc0b6e-8977-4830-8a50-70d02b150d64 2007-06-22T20:19:07Z 2007-06-22T20:19:07Z

Well... Juno 11th house.... I do often feel "betrayed by" my own friends <11th house>. I have kind of come to accept the fact that at the time when I need my friends the most they just won't be there...not cuz they are "bad friends"...just cuz they are prevented by circumstances. I went for like a whole summer with no friends at all cuz my best friend and boyfriend hooked up and I got cut off from that whole group and had Pnemonia so I couldn't get out. These things always happen it seems. That's ok, though, cuz now I rely on my spiritual life and my own strength to endure anyway. Strength enough to still be there for them every time they need me inspite of the fact that they aren't usually there for me. <usually>

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-22T20:19:07Z Wendy http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c5e76ad7-049c-43af-b958-d05652600039 2007-06-22T09:22:22Z 2007-06-22T09:21:28Z

Ok, here goes ... I have Juno in Sagittarius (12th house). 29Sag 44' 36" - to go even further ! I guess, for me, this could mean that I'm married to my outlook on life & my solitude. Sounds very contradictory to my Libra sun & Venus, as Libra signifies partnerships. Especially romantic ones. Well, anyway here's the link to my natal chart, in case you want to have a look at it : http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=usqfileMKaqov-u1172972907&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=427926&nho2=867999&btyp=2&mth=gw&sday=22&smon=6&syr=2007&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&add=14&ast= P.S. - If you have any trouble with it, please let me know. :-)

Wendy 2007-06-22T09:21:28Z Wendy http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e6e44df3-1457-4f6c-90e1-85e04581711e 2007-06-22T08:47:35Z 2007-06-22T08:47:35Z

I know this comes in really late, but, I put it in anyway, just in case !

Wendy 2007-06-22T08:47:35Z Wendy http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#66d920f8-ea3c-471d-9055-7d9b4752cfeb 2007-06-22T08:44:23Z 2007-06-22T08:44:23Z

Hi Breath. Here's another site that can help in order to find your Juno sign : http://goddess.astrology.com/juno/signs.html The main page is for it is : http://www.astrology.com/ Hope this helps you out. Good luck ! :-) Wendy

Wendy 2007-06-22T08:44:23Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#2f40164b-7aaf-4517-a661-b2c7a0f57bb2 2007-06-21T23:12:21Z 2007-06-21T23:12:21Z

Natal Juno is rarely rleated to literal marriage (as the Stae and Chruch define it) but more like an archetupe of an internal, or mystical alchemical, marriage. Look to see where natal Juno lives (what House) and ask yourself if you are not in some deeply irretrievable way married and conjoined to those processes symbolized by that House. And ask yourself what happens if and when those processes are betryed by you; ask yourself if your betrayal issues don't originate in the House Juno lives in. check it out, dudes and dudesses.

sherpa 2007-06-21T23:12:21Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#53a1888a-4dc0-4951-a1cb-fceed9aa7126 2007-06-21T20:45:03Z 2007-06-21T20:45:03Z

I got Juno at 0 degrees Libra myself... Don't really connect it to being married lol.... because that isn't going to happen anytime soon to boot!!

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-21T20:45:03Z N2 http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#145d9e45-959f-4504-83bc-53c05b802b73 2007-06-21T19:54:17Z 2007-06-21T19:54:17Z

okay thanks Erin.. finally, My juno is in capicorn. Now, what does it mean?? I'l be back in a bit.

N2 2007-06-21T19:54:17Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#05177240-0646-455f-8a67-24c4f5f1f758 2007-06-21T18:51:16Z 2007-06-21T18:51:16Z

At astro.com after going to: services(left column) Extended charts (towards the right in the body of the page-not on the left column) Just choose natal chart(I think this is the default) Then go down towards the bottom and highlight Juno Then click the button to show chart If you haven't put your info in yet...at this point its gonna ask for it Give it your info in the boxes provided Usually, I find myself having to click the chart button twice after putting new info in Hope that helps!

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-21T18:51:16Z N2 http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#78e755e9-9b59-44ec-b912-1cd7a7bec58f 2007-06-21T16:48:56Z 2007-06-21T16:48:56Z

still having trouble. Where is it under astro? Which chart do I look under? thanks

N2 2007-06-21T16:48:56Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c807812d-d301-4b5c-8d7d-a52c1a5e58cb 2007-06-21T16:32:14Z 2007-06-21T16:31:56Z

I may do midpoints and synastry stuff by hand BUT I do use a website to help me with seeing natals(including steroids like Juno) and transits. I use www.astro.com right now. If you go there go to services and extended chart selection and then free charts. Put your birth info in and then if you go down there is a little box where you can select "extra stuff" including Juno. Then have it show your chart.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-21T16:31:56Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c58c4428-e86a-46d2-8dff-cfc77e96cfb2 2007-06-21T16:28:10Z 2007-06-21T16:28:10Z

Juno in Pisces 11th house conjunct Pholus and sun grand trining cancer-moon and scorpio-uranus married to my solitude hmm.... Yeah my need to have at least one night a week to myself for being in my own little world is like an absolute lol. If I have to find that solitude by putting on a pair of headphones and tuning out the world I'll do whatever it takes. I like staying up late, late at night because that is the only time that the rest of the world is sleeping and I can really be free to be myself and do what I want to do. I don't mind working evenings at all cuz it means I end up being "off schedule" from everyone else and I don't need to fight so hard for that time to myself. And if I don't get that time to myself....run away until I get a chance for a nap because not getting time alone turns me into a very bad fish. betrayal issues.... let's just say you won't know its coming until you see the shark fin pop out of the water. By that time its wayyyyy too late. Yeah, actually, you may never even see the fin...your last sense might just be the feeling of getting yanked under by something unseen and mysterious and even if you survive you may never really know where it came from... Good news is that this does not happen very often at all. I am good at staying a good lil happy Flipper fish by finding that needed time to myself :D I can't seem to relate to the 11th house Juno thing for some reason? I like my friends but if they come and go and I have to be alone or w/e that is just np to me. I never forget a friend, true, but I would never let a friend make me late for work either ;) The sun Juno conjuncts is in the 10th house, actually. I relate more to being married to my work than to being married to my friends...could be because of that sun in 10th?...or maybe I'm just confused hehe.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-06-21T16:28:10Z N2 http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#77630fc2-2d15-418f-94c3-42058601970e 2007-06-21T15:54:21Z 2007-06-21T15:54:21Z

hi, I'm new. Sorry for the stupid question but can somebody help me? I 'm still a little confused to where my Juno is. thanks

N2 2007-06-21T15:54:21Z lynx http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e259b7cd-de04-42a6-8a25-1a8a2c84b3b6 2007-03-20T03:45:37Z 2007-03-20T03:45:37Z

that gives me a lot to chew on... and makes me want to try to decode my other asteroids, and my baby's and my lovers.

lynx 2007-03-20T03:45:37Z Ezekiel http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#fe412c5b-0a59-48fb-8558-a907bfc4c82d 2007-03-19T23:30:46Z 2007-03-19T23:30:46Z

Thanks, Sherpa. I was curious about the orb issue as I've seen so many different approaches to asteroids (or, really, with the bulk of the "non-traditional" bodies), including some assertions that no more than a single degree should be used. Myself, I tend to use a structure similar to Addey's for harmonic orbs (I've experimented with Cochrane's similar rule, but have found it too expansive in general for me), but reviewing each contextually, narrowing or broadening orb allowances depending on relative strength or dignity of the applying body, etc. As for the particular body under discussion, I have my natal Juno conjunct Jupiter with an orb of about 3.4 degrees, and Juno exactly 4 degrees from Ceres: all three are Rx, all in the 9th, all in Pisces (though the cusp of the 9th is Aquarius), with Jupiter less than 6 degrees (about 5.6) from the MC (15PIS10). (If you use them, the centaur Pholus, likewise Rx, sits between Jupiter and Juno, about 2.3 degrees from Jupiter, and 1.1 from Juno.) Juno is also less than 6/10ths of a degree from partile quincunx to Pluto (in Libra in the 4th, part of a stellium with Venus, Sun, Mars [plus the asteroid Nemesis, between Venus and Pluto, and the centaur Elatus, within 3 minutes of the Sun, and the fixed star Vindemiatrix in partile conjunction with the Sun, if using these bodies]); about one degree past partile sextile with the DSC (Capricorn, as is cusp of 8th), and about one degree past a partile trine with Mercury (in 5th, in Scorpio) and just a little less than a degree past the same with Quaoar if using that body. As for transits, Jupiter is currently transiting my natal 6th through an intercepted Sagittarius, while Juno, once more Rx, is heading back toward the cusp of my natal 5th (Libra), about a degree off exact conjunction with natal Uranus.

Ezekiel 2007-03-19T23:30:46Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#96f2e59e-469a-4429-9990-cf8fa301082b 2007-03-19T22:15:09Z 2007-03-19T22:15:09Z

Ezekiel, re; "implications changing or evolving with regard or comparison to progressed or transiting Juno placements? Also, does stationary or Rx Juno present differently from the delineation of direct Juno? What sort of orbs do you work with or allow with asteroid delineations in your practice?" I have not worked with progressed or transiting Juno and so have no comment about that yet. I view Rx as a symbol for the amplification fo the memory function of whatever planet or asteroid is retrograde. This means, there's more innate complexity due to greater memory storage. I stay within four degrees for asteroid orbs.

sherpa 2007-03-19T22:15:09Z Jose http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#447ba376-a4c9-4a1d-81db-a5e028203e32 2007-03-19T21:17:11Z 2007-03-19T21:17:11Z

"You are married to yourselff, the outlook developed from your singular point of view and the work (employment) that must double as a vessel for that vision. And so, you are also married to your work and the Work. With transit of Pluto recently conjuncting this (for the last 18 months), no doubt you have undergone some personal transformation and also some recalibration of this vision to serve an aim greater than yourself. If not, there is still more Work to be done." wow... that was exactly right Sherpa. I do wish to serve an aim greater than myself I just haven't found it... did i mention i also have Venus+Neptune+Juno+Sun all conjunct in Sag... and Pluto is conjunct my north node in Libra so I feel Pluto's movement strongly not to mention coming from south node in aries to nn in libra is changing my outlook greatly. Thx

Jose 2007-03-19T21:17:11Z Ezekiel http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#425ab458-b31b-4c21-8188-a218fda9032a 2007-03-19T19:57:44Z 2007-03-19T19:57:44Z

Very interesting thread, and thanks for posting the initial material. In addition to what's already discussed, i was wondering how, or if, you see these Junoesque implications changing or evolving with regard or comparison to progressed or transiting Juno placements? Also, does stationary or Rx Juno present differently from the delineation of direct Juno? What sort of orbs do you work with or allow with asteroid delineations in your practice?

Ezekiel 2007-03-19T19:57:44Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6be99919-475f-4f9b-9986-49f307a3e456 2007-03-19T18:34:04Z 2007-03-19T18:34:04Z

Meow... I think you figured out your intenral marriage conditions. Married to open, fair-minded and equal (Libra) communication (3rd House). Once these deeper communication needs are met, your silence (non-talking) is totally understandable. In regards to your grief abou people "hiding things and not communicating", sometimes the 3rd House Juno can take communication too literally as only talking and verbalizing. As you may know, people are communicating all the time and in many ways: glances, body language, gesture, facial expression, etc. it just takes some practice in reading and accurately interpreting these "cues". some people are also less likely to verbalize themselves and attract "communicators" to them to bring them out.

sherpa 2007-03-19T18:34:04Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#019efd9d-878e-4a47-bb94-73ff80d7e779 2007-03-19T18:25:56Z 2007-03-19T18:25:56Z

lynx this juno represents a complex internal marriage contract, maybe more complex than i can explain, ok ? though you may be married to the evolutionary imperatives to keep growing (8th house), it seems that this agenda may be most important on the conceptual or symbolic (Mercury) level. i see a tenacity and devotion to map-making and architecting your life and future according to your perceptions of how evolution works. and this map or plan probably should be beautiful to you (Venus). another way of seeing Venus' role here is symbolizing the necessity for a transformative relationship that acts as a vessel for your personal growth; "the couple that grows together, stays together". the transformation of your love is how your love grows and that means being partnered to someone who does not place security higher than transformation in their lives. this interpretation only scratches the surface of this highly complex internal marriage but hopefully, it gives you a better impression of how vital Juno can be.

sherpa 2007-03-19T18:25:56Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6d24d95d-fbe7-4d2a-81a3-c9eec8fadb64 2007-03-19T12:41:41Z 2007-03-19T12:41:41Z

My Juno is in the 3rd house of Libra. I'm definitely all about communication in a relationship. What upsets me faster than anything else is a person who hides things and doesn't communicate. Unfortunately that issue keeps re-occuring in my life. : ( What also wounds me are double standards, since I have a strong sense of "fairness" and desire balance (Libra influence). Don't even get me started on that one. : ) Although I stress great importance on communication, in my personal life I rarely talk on the phone or out in public. But I'm extremely open in a relationship, preferring to discuss any and all dreams, problems, life choices, etc....

$item.owner.firstName 2007-03-19T12:41:41Z lynx http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f405fe78-8568-4323-84d5-2534175ffc1c 2007-03-19T05:41:43Z 2007-03-19T05:41:43Z

forum for juno! this is awesome, glad to see it's still going. here's my stuff sun, mercury 29 degrees sag in 9th house juno 25 degrees sag in 8th house venus 22 degrees sag neptune 16 degrees sag... opposed jupiter at 1 degree cancer lilith at 26 degrees gemini trine saturn in virgo... but please, help me decode this... it seems to me i'd be married to by independence and movement, as well as my sould group, as one astrologer told me.

lynx 2007-03-19T05:41:43Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#17a60d50-e048-4f68-b2a5-6bf064874f3a 2007-03-19T03:26:43Z 2007-03-19T03:26:43Z

re: "Juno at 23Sag41'17" and my Sun at 23Sag50'7" in the 6th house. " You are married to yourselff, the outlook developed from your singular point of view and the work (employment) that must double as a vessel for that vision. And so, you are also married to your work and the Work. With transit of Pluto recently conjuncting this (for the last 18 months), no doubt you have undergone some personal transformation and also some recalibration of this vision to serve an aim greater than yourself. If not, there is still more Work to be done.

sherpa 2007-03-19T03:26:43Z Jose http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#2cec4380-e9d0-47ac-a803-b65e02d18749 2007-03-19T02:28:53Z 2007-03-19T02:28:53Z

I have Juno at 23Sag41'17" and my Sun at 23Sag50'7" in the 6th house. What does it mean for them to be so close, lol?

Jose 2007-03-19T02:28:53Z Singhilarity http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#b3218d4f-acbf-4cc7-ad41-7a00c038b565 2007-03-18T21:41:34Z 2007-03-18T21:41:34Z

I appreciate that interpretation, Sherpa - both the "Marriage" aspect (how I somewhat assumed, grace to your wording in the original post... I mean... it could reek as bad as the worst of Newspaper Astrology, otherwise... *tries not to step on any toes*) and the reading aspect. Saturn sits at 5 Sagg, and Uranus at 18, with Juno nearly in the center at 9. As, over the past few days, I feel I have truly updated my understanding of the significance of the placements - how the energy feels to me, what the symbolism means in *this* life time, and how, potentially, to read it, somewhat better - I have come to understand much of these placements far better. RE: Depending on how close Saturn and Uranus are they could tie into the story, too. The necessity for artistic discipline of some kind, a traditional legacy of method (Saturn), and the freedom achived within that form (as opposed to freedom from form). While they all have a powerful influence, here, Saturn has the most pronounced tangible effect. Uranus I seem to have accepted - I adore novelty, and seek to unsettle, to shake things up, to explore new routes... Saturn, in my expression, however, I have used both to limit (far too serious to make space or energy for any of all that poo-poo/sex humor small talk) and have not heeded (discipline) for a very... well, Saturnian feel. The Discipline feels too strong in halting my expression, while not strong enough to effectively channel it. I think, in general, that, since I seem so committed towards the playground-utopian canvas of possibilities (and truly, I would tell folks that without any of the astrological language), remembering that it represents only the state where we have the freedom to ENJOY *however we choose*, might help to balance the Saturn... *ahem* different thread. Interesting. Nothing out of place here. Feels totally appropriate. Spiffy.

Singhilarity 2007-03-18T21:41:34Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#a0c7bf0f-4902-44ec-b136-c2d848d8fcea 2007-03-17T17:03:22Z 2007-03-17T17:03:22Z

re; "Still, it seems almost ludicrous to me that an asteroid should determine our marriage options " Well, that is ludicrous, isn't it ? My Juno theory is not about literal marriage options. It's about the conditions of an internal marriage, a mystical marriage, if you will, that when broken or neglected or betrayed results in certain consequences. Your Juno placement suggests to me that you're married to the creative process (5th House), of living a creative life, and that the conditions of this marriage involve knowing your truth (Sagg) and tending to your vision of that truth so that vision becomes integral to whatever you create. Depending on how close Saturn and Uranus are they could tie into the story, too. The necessity for artistic discipline of some kind, a traditional legacy of method (Saturn), and the freedom achived within that form (as opposed to freedom from form).

sherpa 2007-03-17T17:03:22Z deb http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#a851f9ad-708c-4307-8edb-0fe731b96f22 2007-03-17T16:23:53Z 2007-03-17T16:23:53Z

Hey, Sherpa,... I'm a single woman, but very interested in the "idea" of marriage. However, I've been extemely divided about the "reality" of mariage, because I'm an artist, and that is what I most closely identify with about myself. This has ALWAYS been the acid test in determining my decision about who to partner with, and I am still single. Do you think that Juno in the 7th in Leo has been acting as "a jealous mate" and not allowed me to compromise with her? Just curious about your opinion on this because I would like to find a compatible mate (before I die alone) who doesn't arouse her jealousy! LOL! Do you have any practicle suggestions about handling this placement?

deb 2007-03-17T16:23:53Z Liz http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ee034c8d-01a3-40c3-a057-7a76708c97e3 2007-03-17T15:30:17Z 2007-03-17T15:30:17Z

I have juno in pisces and in the 12th house, yikes!

Liz 2007-03-17T15:30:17Z Singhilarity http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e472e76e-0b76-4784-96d5-7fc3acde7f0d 2007-03-14T23:50:59Z 2007-03-14T23:50:59Z

Interesting, Sherpa. My Juno lies between Saturn and Uranus, in 5th house, Saggitarius. It does make sense to the seeker in me. In my places of highest awareness, I realized that the most true relationship I can hope to experience will take place when I myself live my life fully - enjoying my own expression and discovery, and find myself partnered with someone doing the same. Working together offers greater enjoyment then working apart - but it does not have any sort of "Oh, I must remain with you for all time" feel to it. Awake, enjoying, free. Would also figure that it ties me to my internal journey of liberation, and discovery of expression. Surprisingly succinct. Still, it seems almost ludicrous to me that an asteroid should determine our marriage options - seemingly because it shares a name with a Greek God of the sorts. I can appreciate the metaphorical aspect, but it does seem taken a bit far. Ah well..

Singhilarity 2007-03-14T23:50:59Z Nicole http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d8bf0cb1-dd49-428b-a3c4-008477d1473b 2007-03-14T22:54:23Z 2007-03-14T22:54:23Z

You're reading it right, and while I am not familiar with how many degrees Pluto moves a year(I actually thought it was less than a full degree and I am feeling too lazy to google at the moment)it is in retrograde in my chart, and I believe it had been retrograde for quite sometime.

Nicole 2007-03-14T22:54:23Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#88097608-b411-4670-b76a-07c03ae22eb8 2007-03-14T22:16:29Z 2007-03-14T22:16:29Z

Am I reading your chart wrong? It appears you have your Pluto about 10 degrees behind mine...but you are born 7 years AFTER me? I have Venus opp. Pluto with a 7deg orb.

FJ 2007-03-14T22:16:29Z Nicole http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#80a9b2bc-ac28-4476-a854-9cbc1bc59d2a 2007-03-14T21:45:03Z 2007-03-14T21:45:03Z

I just recently started learning about Juno since I started playing around in my 8th house. I have Juno in the 8th in Aries, it trines my ascendant, and it sits conjunct in between with my Mars in Aries and my Mercury in Taurus, and squaring Jupiter. It feels like most things described by this Juno placement are readily present to me because of my mars/venus in aries in the 8th as well, so does this just mean I get a double whammy of that? Juno in Aries: The partner will tend to be fiery, aggressive, assertive, and active. Grass doesn't grow under their feet. Juno in the 8th House: You need a Sex Machine for a partner. Since the 8th house rules the partner's possessions, well, they may regard you as a possession (especially if there are stress aspects). Marriage and partnership can also help you to reconstruct or transform yourself (whether you want to or not). My greatest transformations come during and after relationships, this I always just atributed to having my Venus in opposition to Pluto. While I don't necessarily feel I need a "sex machine" for a partner, I do need somone who can match my emotional and physical intensity.

Nicole 2007-03-14T21:45:03Z deb http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c2b10f20-17e0-4d11-b110-8d778a10914f 2007-03-14T03:50:12Z 2007-03-14T03:50:12Z

Boy, I agree with you on your approach to music, Jacqueline! LOL! It is sooo important to put practice first so you can enjoy the outcome when it is important to have fun, which is when you perform! I am actually both seriously focused and fun loving at practice so long as we are moving towards improvement all along the way. I get VERY serious and irritated if practice becomes too lax because it spells disaster later when you're on the stage. But I'll admit we also tell jokes and crack each other up throughout our entire rehearsal! LOL! I think that is due to Mercury ruling my Gemini 5th and in Libra in the 9th house. At the end of the day, I look for quality in both what we've accomplished musically, and in how we relate to one another and make each other feel personally. I have Gemini rulling my 5th, but Capricorn on my ascendant and Saturn is in my 1st house. My credo is this: Work first to master the music. Then have fun when you've learned it and can play it in your sleep! Fortunately, I also have Jupiter in the 1st house in Pisces to temper the tendency towards rigidness with Saturn 1st house/Capricorn rising. Venus is also conjunct Neptune in the 9th and this also helps take the edge off, even though it is in Scorpio! LOL! I think that with Juno in Leo in the 7th sextile to Mercury and square to my MC that I really need to be able to communicate with and connect to an appreciative audience. I think that betrayal would be felt or perceived as being a rejection from the audience of what I am offering them, or a denial of having an audience in the first place. I really think that Leo Juno feels the burden of "delivering the goods" very keenly. I spend a great deal of time working on what I think would be music worthy of an audience before I ever leave my house in search of a stage to offer it up.

deb 2007-03-14T03:50:12Z zoe http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ca254e22-48bc-4039-a02d-47da2cfe7438 2007-03-13T11:36:39Z 2007-03-13T11:36:39Z

Sherpa, I have look at my chart and Juno is in the 8th house Cap 9degrees39 R So I have no clue....Zoe

zoe 2007-03-13T11:36:39Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#87935399-6bd8-438c-b178-1a033637b897 2007-03-13T06:46:57Z 2007-03-13T06:46:57Z

Verseau I'd look to natal Netpuen for more clues with Juno in Pisces but in the 7th House, the tendency is to be married toan image -- imagination -- of marriage which may or may not get in the way experiencing a real bona fide concept-free marriage. This Juno could also be married to the potential in partners, as opposed to who they actually are. Again, natal Neptune may have the last laugh here.

sherpa 2007-03-13T06:46:57Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#37f5b62e-999b-4107-955e-546c7718044f 2007-03-13T06:42:15Z 2007-03-13T06:42:15Z

UranusPisces, re: " I'm curious why you said that instead of the traditional things that fall under the ninth house: " cuz that's jest how i yam

sherpa 2007-03-13T06:42:15Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#9e3628e5-0d1b-459d-977e-6642dcb77fbb 2007-03-13T05:46:10Z 2007-03-13T05:46:10Z

Thanks! Are you serious about the cosmos part? I'm curious why you said that instead of the traditional things that fall under the ninth house: philosophy, journeys of the body and the mind, mysticism, etc. Why especially the cosmos?

UranusinPisces 2007-03-13T05:46:10Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e343eb71-f3dc-45b1-b70b-a0f07146c641 2007-03-13T05:32:47Z 2007-03-13T05:32:47Z

Hey Sherpa: Mine - a few posts up - is seemingly a bit too literal. Given your understanding of Juno, is there a different way you might understand that? I can turn it into something else of a different nature but given your previous statement with regard to partnerships of possbly a more figurative sense, I'm sort of wondering thanks ~V~

$item.owner.firstName 2007-03-13T05:32:47Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#44e05e12-8b1e-4214-b244-61300924f1fb 2007-03-13T05:24:04Z 2007-03-13T05:24:04Z

WQayne, re: " juno 29 virgo in the 2nd house" You are married to your values and possibly to your money; your values are service-oriented and so it can appear as if you are also married to your work if your employment also expresses your values. With this Juno placement, self-betrayal amounts to betraying your own values or losing touch with what makes your life worth living and desperately latching onto the values of society or of others.

sherpa 2007-03-13T05:24:04Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#9cd12e68-87c3-40e9-8760-bbed7d0761a4 2007-03-13T05:19:44Z 2007-03-13T05:19:44Z

UranusPisces, re: "Juno (9th house conj. North node in Gemini) " You are married to your calling and your calling is wrapped up in higher learning processes, especially developing a blueprint of ideas and concepts of how the cosmos works.

sherpa 2007-03-13T05:19:44Z jacqueline http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#624c5ba3-5218-46a2-b299-6dccebc69481 2007-03-13T04:03:00Z 2007-03-13T04:03:00Z

But with regards to music and playing it. I feel that capricorn juno in 5th relates to the traditional rituals found in the creation of music. I'll never and have never been as experimental as other musicians I know though I can be very versatile and creative with the different genres. I believe in practice, practice, practice (no practice means no improvement means a lousy time on stage) and not simply 'just rocknroll, dude'. yet I often have fun, in fact it's far more fun when you know what and how to play rather than just standing against the wind and not know what's going on and instead just 'go with the flow'. I've had long debates about different approaches to music with friends. Often my views come across as rigid and traditional/conservative but it got me where I am today as a player and I won't change the way I work although it can be improved on. That is at once 'serious' fun and also very fun to be serious! However, would betrayal issues then mean changing the way I approach my art as I always have to one of a more random approach? With reference to the debates on how one should approach music and be a better player -(and granted, to each his own way), a steady, progressive traditional approach is not so bad. Yet I feel incensed whenever friends suggests that I have more fun in playing gigs and not take rehearsals or practice so seriously. But why not! Afterall, it's how you get paid and it's how you improve. and who says no fun is involved?! ok. Im straying here and Im getting worked up. But I think I've answered this question a little better now.

jacqueline 2007-03-13T04:03:00Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4cb9d9b9-766d-46d5-a4e7-ef9758b213d9 2007-03-13T02:50:51Z 2007-03-13T02:50:51Z

What a hoot: Juno in Pisces: This one may be satisfied with an imaginary partner! If they happen to be married to (or living with) a real person, then they can use imagination to eliminate the partner's shortcomings and add virtues to taste. Please be careful not to marry someone because you feel sorry for them or want to "save" them. Juno in the 7th House: This simply increases the need for a marriage or partnership. Those things will tend to be the cornerstone of your life. I guess I'd better get on the stick or something. lol ~V~

$item.owner.firstName 2007-03-13T02:50:51Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#08d4c1b8-e67e-46be-8797-ab41c452e546 2007-03-13T02:44:14Z 2007-03-13T02:44:14Z

Yeah, the things one can find when they are researching on the net :-)...Actually that's how I found this site. Sherpa, do you have any insights on my Juno (9th house conj. North node in Gemini) in relation to your theory?

UranusinPisces 2007-03-13T02:44:14Z deb http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c26a4194-0c98-479a-8121-18a69ad2a6c4 2007-03-13T02:42:32Z 2007-03-13T02:42:32Z

Yeah, you know I think my Juno in Leo in the 7th, sextile Mercury in Libra in the 9th, (Mercury rules my Gemini 5th), is also translating to "married to my art" because my art has been my only "constant partner." I have forgone many an offer to partner up with someone who just didn't appreciate me as an artist or share the same path as I travel. Being taken seriously on ALL LEVELS is what I want from a partner.

deb 2007-03-13T02:42:32Z Dragon-of-Q http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c6c4a311-c33c-4d8b-a174-dc2fc6bed15b 2007-03-13T02:29:28Z 2007-03-13T02:29:28Z

UranusinPisces- good shoveling, I wana thank you. Wow was I a mess last year.. It was good to re-read this.. Sherpa-your interpritation speaks very well now. w/ Juno conj Mars & Ceres.....well..just says alot !.. Thanxs again..

Dragon-of-Q 2007-03-13T02:29:28Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d0c8e48a-4a68-44de-967e-bfbd1fcc0ca5 2007-03-13T01:28:10Z 2007-03-13T01:28:10Z

re; "Natal Juno is in capricorn in 5th house." Married to your Art and the creative processes that get you there. Juno's sign indicates the conditions of the internal marriage contract and Capricorn is all about discipline, practice, method, setting goals for gigs and making it happen. Natal Juno in capricorn in 5th house is about taking fun seriously; serious fun.

sherpa 2007-03-13T01:28:10Z jacqueline http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#b2e86038-5dbd-4abe-a81a-dd0bcdaada14 2007-03-13T01:22:39Z 2007-03-13T01:22:39Z

Natal Juno is in capricorn in 5th house. Maybe this is why work is simply not work when it comes to 'working' as a musician. hmmm..I'm losing this a little. Capricorn in the house of fun feels a little strange here. well, Capricorn technically rules my 6th house. transiting juno is now conjunct natal pluto within 1*... i should go and clear my head for a bit..

jacqueline 2007-03-13T01:22:39Z Taryn http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e0310272-5383-4f54-84f6-ac26fb6bf582 2007-03-12T17:54:15Z 2007-03-12T17:54:15Z

My Juno is 27* 10th house Capricorn. I'd like to see if I could get the forms together and have them signed to start a legal separation. Where would I file these? ~I'm kidding. I find this placement fitting and it makes sense. I just recently started to look at asteroids in my chart. Juno is ambitious and about work for me to say it plainly. ~Taryn

Taryn 2007-03-12T17:54:15Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#1c2e5b6d-e841-4464-b505-af07b967e4f0 2007-03-12T11:19:11Z 2007-03-12T11:19:11Z

I think I get your theory but the bottom portion of my post was in response to Alt's post which included some link to some theory about Juno.

UranusinPisces 2007-03-12T11:19:11Z Wayne http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#42c55deb-ac19-42b7-ab6b-6098ae7631c5 2007-03-12T09:54:58Z 2007-03-12T09:54:58Z

could you help me out with juno 29 virgo in the 2nd house please?

Wayne 2007-03-12T09:54:58Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f0814ff3-3ec0-4dce-9fdd-e6e69403d14e 2007-03-12T06:02:50Z 2007-03-12T06:02:50Z

Viki re: "Juno at 17 Capricorn in the 4th house" This could mean married to the goals, ambitions and dreams of the family. You know how sometimes the offspring plays or pushes forward the family legacy ? Takes it to the next level ? Something like that. The 4th House tends to be a very deep place; this family pattern, or code, can also be embedded in the subconscious.

sherpa 2007-03-12T06:02:50Z Viki http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d525deb0-d02e-4625-b1b0-2117f9123747 2007-03-12T05:45:44Z 2007-03-12T05:45:44Z

Hmm, I have Juno at 17 Capricorn in the 4th house sextile Mars in Pisces in the 6th. Not sure what this would mean though. I don't use the asteroids.

Viki 2007-03-12T05:45:44Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#7c451816-619f-4cc6-865a-c68ecc339a02 2007-03-12T05:30:39Z 2007-03-12T05:30:39Z

UranusPisces, I think you may have interpreted my theory of Juno too literally. Though the ancient mythology of Juno addresses conventional marriage, sexual infidelity, betrayal and vengeance, I see the astrological symbol more tied to an archetype of internal marriage and the conditions required to sustain that union without self-betrayal. Natal Juno may have little or nothing to do with sexuality or marriage to an external partner. It can also symbolize other types of union. Examples include: Juno in Virgo or 6th house is a person married to their work. Juno in Cancer or 4th House can indicate a stong union or "marriager" to one's genetic family. Some people are married to themselves (1st House or Aries) or to their community (Aquarius or 11th House). I think the literal relationship with sexuality and marriage can apply with Juno in Libra or Scorpio (or 7th and 8th Houses) but other than that, I think it would be a mistake to overlook the archetype of the internal marriage and the insight that can give to the type of external relationships that are most compatible with you (these will be the relationships that are supportive or or in harmony with the conditions of your internal marriage). This is an unconventional theory that you will not read about in astrology books. You may have to study and examine it more thoroughly via multiple charts over some time to start seeing the patterns I am refering to. This is how I have come to see it after reading over a thousand charts in my practice.

sherpa 2007-03-12T05:30:39Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#497d369d-fe6f-42c7-a962-1a2054451262 2007-03-12T04:55:47Z 2007-03-12T04:55:47Z

Sherpa, I kind of feel that way with my Juno in Gemini conjunct N.Node-all in my 9th house as well. Alt, I think the key word is "uncommitted". I have no doubt that theory may be true, but I think it is more representative of what, in most people's eyes, would be the dark side of Juno. If Juno deals with sexual fidelity then SEXUAL infidelity of course has to be related to Juno. Marriage, however, has historically not been defined by love or sex but money, protection, and ownership. Since that is true, Juno does really deal with commitment because even though many a marriages from the beginning of time have been wrought with sexual infidelity, lack of love, lack of sex, and even violence, most married couples choose to keep their contracts intact. Now to the opposite point, I think certain sexually intense relationships and/or love affairs have been a lot more committed, happy and long lasting than those based on money and protection and ownership, etc. And one can obviously see why. As Juno's position in the sky changes we are seeing societies and individuals re-defining their ideas of "commitment". I think I have some insight on this due to my Chiron conj. Juno aspect.

UranusinPisces 2007-03-12T04:55:47Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#456e2d97-8f5b-4ee3-bc5c-f8ac0c56a09f 2006-11-12T16:04:22Z 2006-11-12T16:04:22Z

This makes perfect sense and to be honest, I *have* been "nesting" much more with my current partner than any other in the past and we do share so many passions. Thank you, Sherpa.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-11-12T16:04:22Z Ze http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#dac137d3-8f44-44e8-8628-21bac3285601 2006-11-12T09:30:09Z 2006-11-12T09:30:09Z

funny the vertex came up again... i checked it and..... my moon is 3 degrees away from my girlfriend vertex, in cancer in her 8th house her venus is 4 degrees away from my vertex..... in libra in the 6th house.... i have juno and vesta in leo in my 4th house.... in between my sun/venus in leo i have venus conjunct vesta... sun conjunct juno.... my vesta is exactly trine her sun (and also trine her uranus and moon) my juno is exactly trine her moon (and also trine her sun and uranus) her juno is in the 4th house in aries.... her vesta is in 7th house gemini so in our relationship... i activate her vertex strongly by conjuncting it and she blesses my juno and vesta with trines....... i must say though, that she is more affected by me then reversed... i love her much, but she does not have the impact one me , like i have on her... this could be because for her its an 8th house connection (With my sun moon venus in there) and for me its more and 7th house one (with her sun moon uranus there) carlo

Ze 2006-11-12T09:30:09Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#9e597be6-eeeb-4bd3-8429-b9c241ea1bb2 2006-11-11T20:18:51Z 2006-11-11T20:18:51Z

Merrick, re: "Juno in Scorpio in 4th House" You are married to your passions and this sets up a kind of internal prototype for the compatibility evaluation for external relationships. If the potential partner has a problem with your passions -- what you feel strongest about -- the relationship becomes a temporary life form with a very short shelf life. However, if the partner shares your passions, OMG, that's when you'll need to start getting scared about nesting and over-domesticating, as the instinct is strong to live with the partner who shares your passions in life. My 2 sense.

sherpa 2006-11-11T20:18:51Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#2915328c-9e07-45bd-a7d4-2397a092920b 2006-11-11T17:56:59Z 2006-11-11T17:56:59Z

Juno in Scorpio: The need is for a partner who is intense, strong, and a bit secretive. They definitely must be good in bed. Again, as with Vesta, this doesn't ring true for me. Intense and strong, yes. Secretive? Never. Good in bed is a plus, but personality and brains have priority for me. Juno in the 4th House: This person can be married to their home. Juno in the 4th house can also indicate a need for a partner who is attached to the domestic environment. Another possibility is that you become more of a domestic type after marriage. The only part that is probable is that I might become more "domestic" after marriage. I like to keep my "nest" pleasing and in order, but I love being social and I am on the go a lot.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-11-11T17:56:59Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#bd70df41-b558-43a5-903d-17f5385ce04a 2006-11-11T12:36:58Z 2006-11-11T12:36:58Z

~*~

$item.owner.firstName 2006-11-11T12:36:58Z Alchemy Elixir http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f263cbdb-529e-4e29-ad33-8edc88e57902 2006-11-11T01:59:47Z 2006-11-11T01:59:47Z

Hi sherpa, love your posts. My Juno is also in Aquarius, 29' in the 6th house trine my saturn pluto conjuction in the first trine my MC and north node conjunction, and sextile Netune IC south node conjunction. I guess Iam married to my own individual trip(in the universe), involving my health, and the health of the whole(the earth, universe and everything lol), the service I provide as an individual, this is supported by the strength I appear to have in my appearance, which is a transformative yet structured personality, who is aiming for a career, social position to do this and become who Iam destined to be, my past and roots, which have been quite dreamy and spiritual with a lot of karma within the family/ the earth, could help me attain this. Sounds kinda true. but a bit trippy.

Alchemy Elixir 2006-11-11T01:59:47Z adiaha http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#efcedff1-506c-4cda-84be-aec98c88f49d 2006-10-21T01:49:40Z 2006-10-21T01:49:40Z

Thanks! :) I like receiving compliments giggle giggle.......

adiaha 2006-10-21T01:49:40Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#53bf85ae-9fc4-409c-87e7-7244dceb214c 2006-10-20T00:57:28Z 2006-10-20T00:57:28Z

Interesting Day! This is what Juno in VIrgo is about?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-20T00:57:28Z adiaha http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e83ae2da-b5d0-4f27-98bf-240819d898fe 2006-10-19T02:54:38Z 2006-10-19T02:54:38Z

Interesting thread. I am really late but thought I'd drop a dime. My Juno is in Virgo in the first house. I am married to myself, my ideas, my desires, my profanity......me. I realized at a young age that being me was a lonely venture being so head strong. Still head strong but am better able to integrate other people, especially into my dreams. I like laughing at my own jokes, that nobody else gets. Some people think I am shy. Why bother with conversation when there is an eternal one going on in my head with me, about me and for me. I keep me rather entertained. My betrayal points are a bit more complicated especially these days. I have started to see that I am a part of everything in my environment and everything is a part of me. Having children can do that for a person. So I would say that anything/anyone that threatens my environment or anyone in it has betrayed me. I am constantly advocating change, justice, and peace. I am a peace warrior. Love the world and love the thyself. Day

adiaha 2006-10-19T02:54:38Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#7dee520f-7781-4325-8ec1-82b2f5495063 2006-10-18T21:09:53Z 2006-10-18T21:09:53Z

Blue, My betrayal issues are just that! I don't like lying or cheating. A little game playing is fun though as long as it's not with the intent to harm. I like mystery. I don't know.....that might be my Scorpio moon and my Venus in the 8th house though. Possibly the fact that my moon is right next to my IC in Scorpio too.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T21:09:53Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#5cd3b5c8-e37f-444b-8652-57b17c7df737 2006-10-18T21:07:45Z 2006-10-18T21:07:45Z

Precisely FJ.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T21:07:45Z Blue http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4f84ba81-7db6-42c5-9601-60d78d38ef4a 2006-10-18T20:24:35Z 2006-10-18T20:24:35Z

Juno in Virgo: You need a partner who is efficient, works hard, and watches out for your health. All right, so they may be a little critical at times (or at all times), especially if your Juno has stress aspects (the square, opposition, and some conjunctions). Juno in the 9th House: You need a partner with whom you can travel (long trips, not short ones) and "philosophize." The partner will tend to be someone born a great distance from you (even a foreigner) or from a totally different background. so apparently...........I need someone who will care for me and want to do the same things I would like to do and do the same for the other person as respect...also maybe someone to put me in my place once and a while My partner is born in another country............interesting My betrayal issues are , lying , cheating, dishonesty.............I can't tolerate it.............I guess I want to know where someone stands with me...............I'm not fond of mind games, and to have a partner who is my equal is important to me...............I have no desire to dominate anyone let alone my loved one.............so possessiveness is one issue that gets my eyes rolling

Blue 2006-10-18T20:24:35Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d937581a-a11d-4707-a1b0-a040dcf9ea2c 2006-10-18T19:30:36Z 2006-10-18T19:30:36Z

It can never be offset from the Sun's degree by more than about 48 degrees.

FJ 2006-10-18T19:30:36Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#2941ab0f-4dd5-4767-a2c3-815011fdd5dc 2006-10-18T17:06:16Z 2006-10-18T17:06:16Z

I meant up to 2 signs before or up to 2 after the initial star sign that influences the sun.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T17:06:16Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#164e5b3d-1a4e-4ef0-9c1b-74fc7515f1ce 2006-10-18T17:05:15Z 2006-10-18T17:05:15Z

Venus is usually within the same star sign as the sun, or 2 before or 2 after.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T17:05:15Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d7e712b2-d172-48d4-b624-eb6a2cb7f0e4 2006-10-18T16:55:25Z 2006-10-18T16:55:25Z

Some Scorpios have their Venus in Libra or virgo....sometimes Capricorn too.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T16:55:25Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#0e736a96-e37f-49f2-a009-88e0601a66d8 2006-10-18T05:18:51Z 2006-10-18T05:18:51Z

P.P.P.S Tara, with the title of your topic "good sex" on the main board, I can see where you mind is at, so it's no surprise that you truly are focused on that Mars in Scoprio and that is the source of your Scorpio-male-ridden past. LoL!

FJ 2006-10-18T05:18:51Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6f63bb7e-6629-4ff9-9cbd-60e6205899af 2006-10-18T05:18:25Z 2006-10-18T05:18:25Z

Here is a link to an interesting article on Synastry! http://www.astrologynow.com/carolwillis/Synastry.txt

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T05:18:25Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4d73e4a4-ff26-44eb-ab97-7e858b77e851 2006-10-18T05:14:02Z 2006-10-18T05:14:02Z

P.P.S. Many Scorpios are likely to have their Venus in Saggitarius, which could in some cases conjunct your Vertex. A great way to a tie a knot! ;-)

FJ 2006-10-18T05:14:02Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#46065fa8-61e8-4988-a6b5-cfa0a658fc4d 2006-10-18T05:11:39Z 2006-10-18T05:11:39Z

P.S. I just noticed that your Vertex is in Saggitarius (your chart). I also noticed that your Mars is in Scorpio. Might that explain thing or two? It seems that you are simply attracted to the vitality, energy and expression of Scorpio in general. I think that unless you find a relationship with a stong Juno, Venus or 7th House contact...you might go through alot of Scorpios until you find the right one.

FJ 2006-10-18T05:11:39Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#490e6d6a-c511-41ea-8b96-afd8ad9dec7c 2006-10-18T05:03:47Z 2006-10-18T05:03:47Z

I think maybe the sign shows the emotional temperament, and the house shows the area of your life where you need to experience that temperament from another person. So lets say you find a Scorpio guy with his Moon in Pisces conjunct your Juno... Then you'd have most of your bases covered wouldn't you?! Actually your VERTEX is really more about the signs of people you attract. My girl's vertex is in Aquarius in the 9th House and both me and her boss are born within day of each other and conjunct her vertex. That's not to say I boss her around, but I give her philosophical direction, support and feedback....and so does her boss. She's quite ok with that and comes to me for it. The vertex is how you attract new experiences and realtionships....but Juno shows what you need to feel both posessed, yet free....the ultimate balance of being in love (i.e. "if you love something set it free...yada yada yada". You might also be atrracted to Scorps because they rule the 8th House where your Juno is. Maybe they know where you need things, but not HOW you need things....or soemthing like that. There are all kinds of relationships. All kinds of knots could tie two people together, and many kinds of knots as the next one if you know how to tie it and UNTIE it and it doesn't become a tangled nightmare. Where is your vertex? If you don't know it, I could calculate it for you...but it won't be tonight, Dear, because I am SLE-E-E-EPY! :-D

FJ 2006-10-18T05:03:47Z Tara http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ffb64191-51d8-437c-9b39-e59dff3afa41 2006-10-18T04:44:02Z 2006-10-18T04:44:02Z

What do you think is more significant, the house or sign juno is in. For example, mine is in the 8th house and I tend to attract scorpios. My juno is in pisces, but I don't attract many pisces men, unless they also have scorpio.

Tara 2006-10-18T04:44:02Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#73a6cd2f-3d8c-49ec-bf50-c1d2d0b6a09b 2006-10-18T04:33:25Z 2006-10-18T04:33:25Z

Either 10 or 11. I am not sure, because her chart may be off by 1/2 hour. She does look to me for support in pursuing her station in life, so maybe it's the 10th.

FJ 2006-10-18T04:33:25Z Tara http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#293a1530-c444-4cfa-a32a-7e3790947f79 2006-10-18T04:31:14Z 2006-10-18T04:31:14Z

What house is her Juno in?

Tara 2006-10-18T04:31:14Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4fc4e98a-1d90-4d53-bf5d-86f9964ea4b5 2006-10-18T04:22:46Z 2006-10-18T04:22:46Z

I think that in itself has the ability to effect the personality! I have read that Juno is not about what you want but what you need. Maybe it modifies Venus somewhat in that respect. Therefore a person's Juno might create a vacuum for those significnt others who might change your life and bring what you are truly needing into it. Pisces is about love, often idealized. I know someone with her Juno in Pisces. She needs an almost absolute reassurance that love is real in order to get what she is needing. She can't/won't proceed with any affair unless she can be sure it is love. You can imagine what her undoing is, then. She resists trying anything; She is elusive; She protects herself... ...and therefore, at least romantically, her life has been almost loveless. Wih my Venus conjunct her Juno she is learning how to get what she is needing... ...and I learn to give what it is I have to give. As I see it, the planets, stars and asteroids ALL superimpose upon our personality and then they play out through us like a song...which karmically attracts situations and people to us who hear that song and add their voice.

FJ 2006-10-18T04:22:46Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#189d26e2-cef0-40bd-a523-3c98f1f05b12 2006-10-18T03:56:39Z 2006-10-18T03:56:39Z

Hmmm....I didn't think Juno really had an effect on the personality but rather was indication of the type of mate you'll end up with.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T03:56:39Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#2f474fbc-f47b-44f9-b1ac-a7e935e1f62e 2006-10-18T03:01:29Z 2006-10-18T03:01:29Z

She was a quite the mutable personality overall, and also quite the social chameleon. In the case of her Juno in Gemini, she was not domineering about it but she was more or less at the mercy of her own changeability. Geminis can rarely give any explanation why they switch masks and personas the way they do. It is part of their nature and is not done conciously. What she needed (Juno) was person who was versatile enough not to be thrown off when she needed to change into something else. This girl was floater, a balloon floating around in a drafty hallway. She needed someone to hold the string while still allowing her to go witgh the draft.

FJ 2006-10-18T03:01:29Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#31a83534-37a8-40c3-a2e7-478226205db5 2006-10-18T02:43:12Z 2006-10-18T02:43:12Z

I mean with her! Yours are obviously your fixed signs. Hers are more cardinal

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T02:43:12Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#67173001-4a42-4da0-9b84-376d2dbb599a 2006-10-18T02:42:35Z 2006-10-18T02:42:35Z

So.....Cardinal is the stronger of the signs.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T02:42:35Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#fbfadfcd-239b-4f48-a159-5c7e92419716 2006-10-18T00:38:00Z 2006-10-18T00:38:00Z

I have 4 Fixed, 3 Mutable, and 3 Cardinal.

FJ 2006-10-18T00:38:00Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#5fe640a8-131b-4a94-9a03-328be6a5072d 2006-10-18T00:35:45Z 2006-10-18T00:35:45Z

She had 3 Cardinal signs, 0 fixed signs, and 7 Mutable signs not including her Sagg Ascendant.

FJ 2006-10-18T00:35:45Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#04ae2550-3758-4900-b23c-84b3732cf909 2006-10-18T00:26:30Z 2006-10-18T00:24:40Z

I would think that more dominant signs would be more prevalent in the personality. The Venus in Cancer is a Cardinal sign. Did she have any other Cardinal or Fixed signs?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T00:24:40Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c172fff8-caae-48e9-9691-157ffe1cc09b 2006-10-18T00:23:38Z 2006-10-18T00:23:38Z

Her Juno was in Gemini, too. She liked a guy who could wear all the same social masks that she could - that was the key to keeping up with her and knowing her feelings. What are we doing now, Honey? Oh! We are a conserative old couple today? Ok. And on Wednesdays we will be a jet-set dynamic duo, and on Thursdays we'll just be friends, and Fridays we'll be passionate lovers! Gemini Juno, I think.

FJ 2006-10-18T00:23:38Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#2acbf97e-89b2-4ec6-92a5-4583314261a9 2006-10-18T00:12:32Z 2006-10-18T00:12:32Z

I had a Gemini back in the mid-90's with her Moon in Pisces and Venus in Cancer. I'd say her feelings ran pretty deep, although she certainly had a flighty communication-style, all right. Nope, she was not short on deep feelings at all. she didn;t have the Gemini multiple persaonlity as much as the actual mental quickness and cleverness.

FJ 2006-10-18T00:12:32Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#5e429ca2-4a48-4b86-8673-3282636dfe78 2006-10-17T23:14:52Z 2006-10-17T23:14:52Z

hahaha! My moon is a water moon as is my Venus. I'm a deep thinker in general. It would be rather interesting to see this mix and match.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-17T23:14:52Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#eeb36a04-2d21-4320-8c02-74f080d8d042 2006-10-17T16:10:40Z 2006-10-17T16:10:40Z

Tara, sorry been away for a bit... Hmmm I guess what I meant about the "challenging" wasn't that they are cruel or not interested but..just maybe not at an "equal" level of development. Like you said in one of your posts that you looked an equal to be with...I think thats what I was trying to get at. I could always see the ways that I could positively influence the men that I have dated...but I didn't see as much what they had to offer me in return (not that they were not good enough - how could they contribute to my growth). I think maybe I felt that the men who are just as ambitious, well travelled or independent as I am were kind of intimidating...maybe because then a relationship could be something deep and real (terrifying!!Ack). I admit I do not know as much about astrology so I can't converse as much on the T-square stuff but it seems very interesting what you have said. And funny enough I do attract a lot of Virgos...I love them. I just haven't met one yet that didn't need a little bit of a kick in the A** to get going though...and no one wants to be the mommy...no offense to Virgos out there!! I find I get along very well in general with Virgos, Scorpios, and Pisces mainly. I hope that clarified a bit what I meant above...but when you ask about the attraction piece..its weird I am attracted to lots of people as far as personality but very rarely and I mean VERY rarely do I get sexually attracted to someone. Thats actually part of my problem I think...my Venus in Aquarius wants to be friends with every one but very rarely do I want more.....as I said in my first post - too much weeding maybe. I am not too picky its a more fundamental problem...I just don't even get interested to start analysing it in the first place...wacky.

Coors 2006-10-17T16:10:40Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#dfc646bc-f12f-4f60-8ae4-81b02a93d680 2006-10-17T07:20:45Z 2006-10-17T07:20:45Z

re: "Okay so this would be a thinker? Someone who likes deeper conversations?" Gemini ? Deep thinker ? I don't think so. More like easy-going banter and playful discussions, gossip, and keeping things interesting by mixing it up. Gemini loves variety and skimming over many fields of mutual interest and curiosity. For depth of thought, I'd go to the water signs.

sherpa 2006-10-17T07:20:45Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e70d104b-8b8b-46f4-92b5-8fd07c419009 2006-10-17T04:11:29Z 2006-10-17T04:11:29Z

My North Node is Aquarius too.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-17T04:11:29Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#014cd029-278c-41c4-b822-a019e584f0fe 2006-10-17T04:08:48Z 2006-10-17T04:08:48Z

Okay so this would be a thinker? Someone who likes deeper conversations?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-17T04:08:48Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#0035fa9c-ce58-4b4a-b8ec-811c2af4dd51 2006-10-17T02:41:18Z 2006-10-17T02:41:18Z

re: "Juno is Gemini and it's in the 11th house" Married to your friends, to your tribe, your people, especially at the intellectual level...married to the tribal mind or the ideas of the tribe.

sherpa 2006-10-17T02:41:18Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#1c401b7c-7cdb-4435-a9bb-24e68200d81a 2006-10-17T02:31:15Z 2006-10-17T02:31:15Z

My Juno is Gemini and it's in the 11th house. So it's about social status?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-17T02:31:15Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#00deb09a-2fbf-4704-9ad7-e9182a2c9d90 2006-10-16T15:37:14Z 2006-10-16T15:37:14Z

"Got it"; thanks.

sherpa 2006-10-16T15:37:14Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#368b585b-a5fb-44fe-9ee8-fa23346fd03e 2006-10-16T10:26:57Z 2006-10-16T10:26:57Z

Sherpa: Just so you know, I replied to your last entry regarding our "conversation", but it got inserted in an obscure spot...you might have to scroll up a few entries to find it. -FJ-

FJ 2006-10-16T10:26:57Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#255dfbfb-908d-4490-b513-823dca07bd50 2006-10-16T02:21:39Z 2006-10-16T02:21:39Z

I have Moon in Scorpio and Mars in Aries (also a quincunx, interestingly enough), which are the responsible culprits for making me intense/volcanic/abrupt and preoccupied with darkness, strife and symbolic death....in my opinion. I am not sure I subscribe to the solar-chart theory....that the Sun sets the house-cusps for us. When I was born I had Cancer on the 8th House cusp, and Virgo made up the bulk of my 9th house....due to Sagittarius Rising. If anything, my relationships with Virgos were somewhat philosophical, or at least prompted ME to be philsophical...and also a desire to travel. In the case of S.O.'s chart, my Sun is in her 9th House and travel is major point between us. I feel the same tug & pull as I did with some of my previous lovers who had Virgo personal planets in my 9th house...except now SHE is the 9th-House person and I am the planet-person. And in the case with my S.O., she gets SO philosophical when I discuss the most mundane things! So by looking in that mirror, I think that this is the same influence which Virgo-ines had on me in the past. I finally found a relationship where the house-placement is reversed, and I am the personal-planet in another person's 9th house. Well anyway, my Juno is at 20' Libra and conjunct Uranus in my 10th House with an Orb of 2'....and trine to my Sun with an orb of about 2' also. So basically I have my Sun in Aquarius trine a Juno/Uranus conjunction in Libra. Interesting, huh? As I was saying, my 8th House is ruled by Cancer, and therefore disposited by my Moon in Scorpio in the 11th House. My neccessary "death", as you described, comes through associations and friendships and the confidential sharing of Hopes, Dreams and Aspirations. I have become quite fascinated with the fact that my 8th House is ruled by the Moon is in Scorpio, and Scorpio likes the 8th House. It's an interesting loop. It IS interesting how you mentioned that synastry planets in the 8th House touch on the meaning of "death" for the 8th House individual. We had discussed my mother's Virgo Mars & Venus, but the truth is her Sun is on the cusp of Leo and Cancer and her Saturn is in Cancer. Therefore she DOES get into my 8th House, like it or not. (Just to clarify her part in this and get it out of the way). I think Virgo-types bring ripples into my 9th House, and therefore my PHILSOPHY OF LIFE. If anything, ripples on the surface most directly symbolize DISTORTION. Distortion of my veiws. And there you have it: I feel that Virgo-types DISTORT WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY SOMETIMES! Whew! That was deeeeeep.

FJ 2006-10-16T02:21:39Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#549a391d-376f-49d1-a16a-154d22852e68 2006-10-15T18:57:24Z 2006-10-15T18:57:24Z

PS to FJ: thanks for answering my question about JUNO (mine is in the sign of Aquarius)

sherpa 2006-10-15T18:57:24Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#37e754b4-13f7-4526-bca4-498b5190fd54 2006-10-15T18:55:56Z 2006-10-15T18:55:56Z

FJ, by the by, we should really stop meeting like this; people will talk. Maybe we should just get a room. One more thing to share before I go. Something about the Virgo/Aquarius quincunx. It's a very specific angle. In the natural Aquarius rising chart, Virgo rules the 8th House. One can see this as Virgo acting as "death" to Aquarius, or interpreted in a more civil manner, Virgo acts as a catalyst of change to Aquarius. As you may know, any true catalyst rarely undergoes the changes that it triggers in the catalyzed. The Virgo/Aquarius quincunx symbolizes a fascinating relationship, especially for the usually cool, detached and independent-minded Aquarius.

sherpa 2006-10-15T18:55:56Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#74744801-42a9-4fb0-80c7-ecff74a652b3 2006-10-15T18:05:55Z 2006-10-15T18:05:55Z

FJ I have no problem with you; I just don't get you. I know some people may make a problem out of not "getting" someone but that's not my style. Did you not eat your Wheaties today ? By the way, the only planet I have in Virgo is the Moon. I have more planets in Sagittarius; maybe I'm a Sagg person.

sherpa 2006-10-15T18:05:55Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#76a05c80-9b89-43d7-b273-af606edc9e5b 2006-10-15T13:29:02Z 2006-10-15T13:29:02Z

It seems that Virgo-ine people are the ONLY people that have a REAL problem understanding or accepting how I express myself. And quite honestly, if it is such a problem for them, then I really feel that maybe it is just not my problem.

FJ 2006-10-15T13:29:02Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#336dc104-160c-4a45-93f3-0c8b453df1c5 2006-10-15T13:20:07Z 2006-10-15T13:20:07Z

Sherpa, my ideas about it are in the formulative state and are reflected in my previous writings, and can be gleaned quite easily I think. No, there is no clash with myself.

FJ 2006-10-15T13:20:07Z Mary Novak Dreamer http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#1c94eb26-8836-4027-8896-ce6912c6be57 2006-10-15T03:07:15Z 2006-10-15T03:07:15Z

Juno in the 8th in Pisces.... I see the 7th house and the 8th houses once in union as the princple of wholeness of the feminine psyche, where the underlaying psyche of a woman [8th] is directly addressed and worked out in the her marriage or intimate relationships [7th]. For a long time i have called Pluto a Goddess because it rules Birth, Sex, Death and Transformation or regeneration and Resources. Mother Earth and woman herself are resources that make life possible through not only the choice of giving life to a relationship or its breaking apart of legal issues of right relationship, or the death and transformation and the acts of not only marriage but survival. To me 8th house is very much about, not physical survival but psychic survival. It is here we work out our unconscious and if the 7th house is the Light, then 8th house is its shadow. And of course Jeffery Wolf Greens Pluto books are excellent examples. I see the three water signs as different levels of Emotion [Energy in Motion]. Cancer being a Lake, a stillness of the primal need for love and nurturing or its lack of, Scorpio the River, which our psyche must always flow in order to renew and Pisces the Ocean connected to the greater emotional energy in the greater collective or environment. Pisces in the 8th displays a great energy of the supporter to deeper social issues, and enourmous lesson of boundaries surrounding money, sex, birth, death for its own renewal. If i were to pick a story it would be persephone and her journey into the Underworld to learn the deeper nature of her soul through karmic knowledge through sexual awakening and its hosts of shada within the soul. In my perspectcive 12th house is the journey within the collective soul and the 8th house is the Soul itself and all that is hidden there. Abuse, sexual energy, money and its issues around power and control. Pisces must make the journey into the 8th with awareness and healthy boundaries. I would first ask, what arena's has this played out in one's family line? Is there any hidden sexual issues in the extended family, or money used as a powerful ways to gain control or lack of boundaries in women, since the two of you have Pisces in the 8th. Is the family matriarchal or patriarchal, who has the power over money or which gender sells their soul for the resources. Juno wants right relationship and must go through each lesson in a marriage or intimate partnership to difine and create healthy boundaries around ones needs. So the wife archetype of Juno may Look away at the Harshness and put the rose colored glasses of Pisces because its just to harsh to look at the depth of the issues. I would look to where your mars is in the chart because if you project your issues the male aspect of the partner would be distorted and where Pluto is and the death of the karma will come to its peak. I have a Pisces moon in the Cancer house, so my karma was intimate family issues [in my case my own disempowerment around motherhood,] where when chosing divorce, the ex mother in law and sister in law [both cancers] felt the need to protect my children at the cost of rejecting me and turning my children away from me saying no one divorces in this family so your mother must be bad... in actuality the two really had never resolved their own mother daughter relationship and had a deep psychic wounding to create the same with me and my daughter rather than heal their own mother daughter relationship, they chose projeciton and I was strong enough to take it, transform it and die and find my rebirth... my daughter and i had to work it through and were always close, but the outside influences tested both of our mirrors... we both have pisces moon, she is a Libra in the 11th aquarian house and i an Aquarian in the gemini house... it was regeneration because both my ex, me and my two kids all have scorpio rising. After a 12 year healing journey none of us ended up dead... only symbolic death... wherever the 8th or scorpio is involved there is a death, physical or symbolic, emotional or spiritual. So with Pisces in the 8th this connection to the 2nd house of VALUES and SELF ESTEEM is deeply connected to the polarity and there maybe some awakenings when you reach the Uranus opposition around 38 to seek freedom from self bondage and self rejection of the values and self esteem issues that were present in childhood and may still be carrying in the pisces illusion rather than spiritual sacrifice.... or maybe the family secrets becoming exposed to SHATTER ILLUSIONS [a big pisces archetype] that no longer serve your highest good.

Mary Novak Dreamer 2006-10-15T03:07:15Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#014b3351-3f83-4ed8-a88c-64d3146d2076 2006-10-15T00:09:45Z 2006-10-15T00:09:45Z

I see, you THINK you were clear enough. OK. Now I can understand this clash a little better. It's with yourself. Or maybe with that part of yourself that you apparently assign to Virgo or your mother. besides that, I still would be interested in you answering my question: "What does the asteroid JUNO mean to you ?" thanks (and hoping you will answer my question)

sherpa 2006-10-15T00:09:45Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#aff69375-b10b-4be2-8b6f-0123b66be8fb 2006-10-15T00:04:13Z 2006-10-15T00:04:13Z

The conflciting point, Sherpa, is that I think I was clear enough....and this only gets contested this much with people of VIRGO INFLUENCE (such as my mother who has Venus and Mars there).

FJ 2006-10-15T00:04:13Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#146f5647-bc2b-4183-b1d5-17702090d0d2 2006-10-15T00:02:14Z 2006-10-15T00:02:14Z

In my case, I have learned the most from other Aquariuses, and sometimes Aries and Taurus.

FJ 2006-10-15T00:02:14Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#365d1fe5-efe2-493c-ad9e-4c714e1fc05a 2006-10-14T23:59:59Z 2006-10-14T23:59:59Z

Awright, so maybe it's that Virgo influence. Kind of a need to have thing spelled out in capital letters in perfect outline-sequence, forest for the trees...because that's EXACTLY what my nutty-buddy does. He gets lost in EXACTLY the same way., and quite frankly, not to sound like I am categorizing you in the SAME BOAT, his obsessiveness with it put him in the Looney Bin twice. That's why I picked up on it. For a long time I thought it was his Scorpio-thing, or maybe that he's a Libra and needs conflict in order to find himself. But no, I think it's the Virgo. I think you could learn alot from Pisces.

FJ 2006-10-14T23:59:59Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e01ccc30-b5c4-4306-a8ab-5ee1cb9b96b1 2006-10-14T23:57:22Z 2006-10-14T23:57:22Z

No clash here, dude. For clash, you need two or more conflicting points. I don't feel any conflict with you. I just don't get you.

sherpa 2006-10-14T23:57:22Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e13cb29e-9732-4bf4-a61e-1d5e817c05fb 2006-10-14T23:55:02Z 2006-10-14T23:55:02Z

Interesting. My best friend has a Scorpio stellium and a Virgo Stelluim. We have been joined at the hip for about 19 years, but we do clash frequently.

FJ 2006-10-14T23:55:02Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#388a1434-9b3b-4185-b413-a58cbc1b52c1 2006-10-14T23:53:03Z 2006-10-14T23:53:03Z

...and Holy Smoke, I was just about guess that you have a strong Virgo influence in your chart, Sherpa.........and sure 'nuff...it's your Moon. LoL.

FJ 2006-10-14T23:53:03Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#eac445e8-20c0-4ee2-8472-f000536f2fbf 2006-10-14T23:50:50Z 2006-10-14T23:50:50Z

FJ No worries. Not playing dumb; just didn't understand where you we're going or what you were really saying. Maybe my mind works too differently from yours to get the picture you're sending or, trying to send. Again, no big deal. By the way, I'm still interested in your answer to my question: "What does the asteroid Juno represent to you (besides the way it is like all asteroids) ?" Thanks! -sherpa

sherpa 2006-10-14T23:50:50Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#caed1636-324a-4330-b7fe-29f6d6f34a8f 2006-10-14T23:43:49Z 2006-10-14T23:43:49Z

.....like Venus and Jupiter in JUNO's case, that is.

FJ 2006-10-14T23:43:49Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#cf08762a-84b5-469b-93a3-7a0ab10fc952 2006-10-14T23:41:51Z 2006-10-14T23:41:51Z

I don't understand where you got lost, man. I just explained it in plain words. As I said, among other things Juno is, like all asteroids, a focal point for energies which are similar to that of Jupiter and Venus. It appears that you are playing dumb with me for some reason.

FJ 2006-10-14T23:41:51Z Tara http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#377524ee-6ec4-4482-8826-aaca8d62f3bd 2006-10-14T22:19:39Z 2006-10-14T22:19:39Z

Sherpa, you are so right about energies. When I get psych patients, I have noticed that they try to drain my energies moreso than my other even more critical patients. I agree with you that it's because their minds drain them by focusing on things that are not healthy. I have been working at setting boundaries with them at work. I want to take care of people equally and not let other more critically ill people suffer due to their histrionics. So, when it gets to be too much, I just call in the social worker to deal with them. It helps me be a better and more productive nurse. Maybe I should do that in my private life, issue a referral, if I feel too emotionally drained by the person.

Tara 2006-10-14T22:19:39Z Tara http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8b0d8f70-f355-40fd-9560-2ed2fb115e66 2006-10-14T22:14:40Z 2006-10-14T22:14:40Z

Coors, I hope I attract someone who is evolving in their own positive way and who is self-sufficient, but I am not sure what you mean by finding someone who challenges me The only time I have ever experienced what would seem like a challenge is when the guy is not interested in me. In that case I am not sure that having a person like that in my life would help my self-esteem at all. Have you ever been challenged by someone in a positive way where they challenged you because the man cared about you and wanted to bring out the best in you (not change you), and this being someone you are also sexually atrracted to? I wonder if the 8th house represents power struggles in a way, a polarity between the 2nd self-worth and the 8th collective worth. My pluto is in libra and it's inconjunct my 8th house so I think that what I want to find, equality, is difficult for me, because there is no connection to that in my chart, I have a 2nd/8th polarity in my chart between my emotions and what I subconsciously seek/attract/need in a partner. I am not trying to make excuses, I am being honest about where I am evolutionarily. I long for equality but don't know how to achieve it. I am pulled in both directions. My T-square of the 2nd/8th gets expressed in the 5th scorpio cusp house. My 5th house sagittarius stellium (collection of planets which include venus/sun/neptune/mercury), however is trapped inside this intercepted house. For my 5th house to be expressed, I have found that my 4th/5th mars in scorpio has to give the planets permission. If my scorpio mars does, I am very successful and my energy is focus. For example, I have always been a good student and employee, very focused. I also enjoy creative expression that is physical such as dancing and communing with nature while hiking, bike riding, etc. A person who loves music always attracts me too. While I enjoy philosophy and travel like most sagittarius's, I need these things to involve physical activity. So, I guess when it comes to relationships, if I can't physically connect with the person, I can't truly connect with them emotionally. This doesn't mean just sex necessarily, but I connect more with people who enjoy to dance, to hike, and the outdoors. However, I feel like I have more physical energy than most so it's hard to find a counterpart. What signs do you typically date (I am not talking about just sun, but where do most of their planets tend to lie). For me, it's water signs. Scorpio, cancer, and pisces, in that order. When I was in high school I attracted virgos, but nowadays I rarely attract that sign.

Tara 2006-10-14T22:14:40Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4783ae05-075a-4cbd-9593-c76f1eda2f5e 2006-10-14T16:26:04Z 2006-10-14T16:26:04Z

FJ sorry you felt my response sarcastic. i was honestly confused by your posts and couldn't follow them and wanted to know if you had some insight about the asteroid juno; i still do. what does juno represent to you ?

sherpa 2006-10-14T16:26:04Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#401977e1-2eef-4955-a314-3bb564f09f5e 2006-10-14T15:06:28Z 2006-10-14T15:06:28Z

Sherpa: The first of my first 2 of my entries here are responding to "Coors" mentioning the 8th House and her Jupiter and JUNO. I also show some of my latest perceptions about "asteroids vs. planets" in general, using Pluto as an example...since we were on the subject of the 8th House, and therefore Scorpio in general. Finally, still using the 8th House and its Scorpio-rulership issues to make a point about Pluto, I then likened Pluto's significance in the horoscope to be MORE LIKE THAT OF JUNO, asserting that Scoprio's rulership should really be Mars & Venus. And in my last entry, I was saying that Juno's actual influence on a person seems to have some likeness of Venus and Jupiter combined. It has to do with sovereignty/freedom/expansiveness(Jupiter) in relationships(Venus). These were also both planets and issues which"Coors" touched on in her entry....so I considered it to be all tied together, at least in her case. Your response to me seems somewhat sarcastic , and I wonder why, since I always came back to the topic of Juno numerous times througout these posts and it was also the ultimate focus of my last post. (Quite obvious in the end, I think, no?) ...so perhaps you would care to share the true motive behind your "dig" at me? While I can't deny that I have gone "East by going West" in explaining myself, I think it enables one to see as much of the Big Picture as possible before getting to the point.

FJ 2006-10-14T15:06:28Z Harmen http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#3273a991-1bf6-48fe-86f3-d46c1b760a27 2006-10-14T04:11:08Z 2006-10-14T04:11:08Z

Thank you. My chart looks strange. http://people.tribe.net/996353cc-7f39-4339-9ef9-8ef85d8f10e4/photos/26d92aeb-3dcc-46f1-b738-e0633aa8f951

Harmen 2006-10-14T04:11:08Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#226fff34-60ae-45ac-abee-843a3f1d4470 2006-10-14T01:27:50Z 2006-10-14T01:27:50Z

FJ, I find your series of posts here a bit confusing or fragmented. I'm curious to know if you are attempting to share with us here something about your understanding and/or experience with the asteroid Juno.

sherpa 2006-10-14T01:27:50Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#b702c997-4ae1-4633-892e-b6a9357b3db2 2006-10-14T01:20:15Z 2006-10-14T01:20:15Z

>perhaps with some likeness to some of the major planets which are larger or closer to the earth< Grrrr! I MEANT: as in, Juno is like Venus and also Jupiter, etc.. It is a little body emitting an influence in common with both these Majors. But Juno is still tiny and is there more as a focal point than an emitter.

FJ 2006-10-14T01:20:15Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#aa35ee61-1689-400f-bf83-6817e757b097 2006-10-14T01:15:33Z 2006-10-14T01:15:33Z

Sorry bout those typos! I meant to say at one point: "...aspects are not what they seem". They are more like elements....individual relations in a crowd...vs. the dispositors which are governed by signs and house cusps. Dispositors show us the Big Picture of who we are vs. just looking at houses individually and fragmentally, which is kind limiting and dangerous. BTW: This talk of the 8th House makes me gthink of something even deeper. As far as Scorpio and the 8th house being ruled Pluto, well I just don't buy it. Pluto is more liek an asteroid. I don't beleve it has a personal such a personal influence on the individual; I believe it should be use more like Juno, perhaps with some likeness to some of the major planets which are larger ir closer to the earth. As I've said before, I never found a Scorpio who seems like his or her Pluto-sign...although in some cases it could be ture. I think Scorpio is ruled by Mars and Venus, and is the reconcilitaion of Libra's ruler Venus vs Aries' ruler Mars! Therefore the 8th House also has special affinity for these two planets. It is where you experience conflictsof values (Venus) becuase of what other people introduce into your life through conflict (Mars)...

FJ 2006-10-14T01:15:33Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#083894d6-616c-4c04-88ef-a3eb5bc4fe79 2006-10-14T01:02:27Z 2006-10-14T01:02:27Z

Another obvious place where spiritual growth takes place is where Jupiter is, or the house ruled by Saggittarius. In fact, for that reason I would more or less suggest that the NINTH house is where we find our spiritual growth...and the 8th house is where we attract and experience the stimulus for that growth. 8th leads to 9th. Definately connected. In my case I have a Cancerian 8th house. Cancer draws on the Moon(in Scorpio), which in my case is in Scorpio in the 11th. So I often find emotional scorpionic associations which leads to my enlightenment in the 9th. My 9th is ruled by Leo, and my Sun(Leo's ruler is in the 2nd House = TAKING PRIDE IN VALUES)! My values are effected by deep emotional friendships and associations...situations where vaules are respectfully shared between people in confidence. By using the system of dispositors in your chart you can uncover the Origami of you soul. We all are folded in unique ways, and our houses draw on other houses in unique ways which are not drawn with the easy-to-see lines which depict the aspects of Western astrology. Dispositors of planets and house cusps reveal that, as opposed to simply reading a house at face value. Astrological aspects are not what they It is an almost instant way to disover the true circuitry behind how the different parts of your life effect one another ---> i.e. relationships effect work, philosophical beliefs effect the domestic life, income effecting choices of romantic partners, travel effecting the beliefs, etc.. IN you r 8th House you are getting the stimulus of OTHER PEOPLE'S VALUES...as opposed to simply their personalities (7th House).

FJ 2006-10-14T01:02:27Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ec38fcbb-912c-43aa-af97-2aa473b2cbb8 2006-10-13T14:12:18Z 2006-10-13T14:12:18Z

Hey Tara, Just picking up on your thread....besides having Juno in Pisces and 8th house like you I also have Jupiter in Pisces. I used to think I had weeded too much but like you when I have gotten involved I think it was always with people who were somehow not as strong emotionally so they leaned for support. Like you I feel more calm sometimes alone and I tend to have a drama free life. But I think over the last 3 years I realized that although I may attract people who look to me usually as someone so well put together compared to others they know - that I haven't looked for someone who really challenges me. I think it was a confidence and self esteem issue. I would date people who I had no doubt cared and thought I was the best thing since sliced bread. But I have never met someone who intimidated me in the sense where I would question what I have to offer them - in a good way though not a self- put down way. I think its like Sherpa said though - in the 8th house it seems that we are aware of our sprititual growth. We may get involved with people who are a little lost and we can help and care but we KNOW when they are not contributing to our personal growth. And maybe though once we get to a point when we feel confident enough we will start to meet the people who are more "equal" with us. Don't mean that in a cocky way - we are just all at different points on our journies is all. Just my thoughts since we have some planets in common :-)

Coors 2006-10-13T14:12:18Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#24bcf152-a655-4472-8591-6cdf3f56a793 2006-10-12T23:31:07Z 2006-10-12T23:31:07Z

Tara, re: "I enjoy my own company and the company of my platonic friends much more than the company of my lovers. It's the physical lust that I feel which gets me in trouble." As a double Scorp, I know what you mean. We are lucky to be lustful. We have energy to spare. We just have to learn the value of that energy and not give it away so easily. I think most people's problems are actually energy problems. What they preoccupy themselves with often drains and depletes them. And without enough energy, it's tough to realize your intentions in life, let alone solve your own problems. Once you have enough energy, almost anything is possible, yes ? I'd say tend to your own supply and only give yourself away to sexual lust when you can afford to do so. Lust as currency. What starts out as the lust for life easily becomes the lust for many other things. If you can trace your lust back to its pure origins, you will be drinking from a near bottomless well of life energies.

sherpa 2006-10-12T23:31:07Z Tara http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d650fc46-ce1a-4f0b-9fb6-ddfc2a02cdff 2006-10-12T23:18:35Z 2006-10-12T23:18:35Z

Yeah they are consuming. Every time I end relationships, I feel more energized and happier. It's sad, but true. I never have longed for the one that "got away". I get more things accomplished and feel healthier when I am alone. Many times, I resist getting involved with people, but they chase me, and then I give in. I have to admit it's the mars in scorpio that pushes me to get involved because I have physical needs, but emotionally I feel drained because it rarely is just physical, they want me to counsel them, listen to their problems, etc. I just feel burnt because I try to be nice and listen and help them out, but most just want to unload their emotions on me and never face their problems. It feels like wasted energy. I don't unload my problems to men. Besides relationships, my life is pretty drama and problem free. If my horoscope indicates that it is better for me to live a solitary life, then maybe that is what I should do. I enjoy my own company and the company of my platonic friends much more than the company of my lovers. It's the physical lust that I feel which gets me in trouble.

Tara 2006-10-12T23:18:35Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ed0e5a19-ddb9-4b36-8338-67ab9ea5a8d7 2006-10-12T23:03:09Z 2006-10-12T23:03:09Z

Tara, You forgot to mention that you also have Jupiter in Pisces in the 8th and that it's part of a massive T-square with Moon and Sun! No wonder you attract the most complex, wounded and otherwise ready-to-be-saved: do you approach your relationships like creative projects ? I mean, are they actually creative projects disguised as relationships ? I am also curious if you find these "healing relationships" consuming creative energies that you would prefer directing towards more artistic endeavors. -sherpa

sherpa 2006-10-12T23:03:09Z kevan http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e9c2ee2c-4b18-4fa0-9fc6-d4a6abaa89ad 2006-10-12T22:52:52Z 2006-10-12T22:52:52Z

this kinda holds true for me too. as i have Juno in Pisces in 11th house. trining my capricorn sun .

kevan 2006-10-12T22:52:52Z Tara http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#43663128-10b6-417e-8d2a-3ace67056276 2006-10-12T22:05:49Z 2006-10-12T22:05:49Z

Sherpa, I too have juno in pisces 8th house, but I am not sure I weed enough. I tend to save and heal people, but if I don't see them evolving in a positive direction, I do leave or get bored. A lot of love relationships I have had feel unsatisfactory for that reason, without equality, yet the people I attract (since I don't approach guys) always have psychological disorders and/or substance abuse problems. Some are financially successful and some are not. Some are physically attractive and some aren't. Some work out non stop while others are couch potators. The obsessiveness/compulsiveness is what they all have in common, and it can be well directed Type A or a misdirected obsessive personality. My moon however, in virgo, opposes juno, Also Juno squares my sag stellium and conjuncts my jupiter. The only trines to juno are by uranus, mars, and saturn. Thanks ahead, Tara

Tara 2006-10-12T22:05:49Z Djenne http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#3cc9da25-04cd-4c70-9152-7d0d2cc4aec0 2006-10-12T20:13:19Z 2006-10-12T20:13:19Z

Very much so. Thank you. More than I could have hoped. Any suggestions for a good in depth reading? Kind regards- I've always enjoyed your insights, discussions, and kindness.

Djenne 2006-10-12T20:13:19Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#3ca4c4ec-147e-4284-9ad3-d040f956a5f4 2006-10-12T18:58:15Z 2006-10-12T18:58:15Z

Dienne, re: "Pisces Juno in the 3rd House with Mars, Sun, ceres, vesta,..." If I were you, i would not try too hard to weed out those contradictions in the name of clarity. Wherever the Pisces archetype is involved, contradiction acts as a symptom of the presence of Soul. Too much clarity (illumination) has a way of scaring the fishes into subterranean caverns (subconscious). With that said, you are married to communication and more specifically, a certain need for nonverbal communicaton, even telepathy of sorts. And at the very least, the receptivity to assure listening. These attributes also express the conditons of your internal marriage, conditions you may also seek out in a mate. Good communication is paramount to intimacy here; without it, the relationships can suffer rapid dissolution. If the partner stops listening to you, emotional distance will take over and afterwards, a sense of betrayal. Most betrayal begins with self-betrayal and the way you would betray yourself is by overlookng the importance of self-communication (especially with your Sun nearby), of maintaining steady communication lines allowing you to listen and respond to your inner voice. As for the sun and mars, along with ceres, vesta, and pholu....nearby...that only emphasizes the significance of communication, as well as, a strong drive to continue learning as much as you can. There is obviously much much more to this that can only be given justice in a full-on horoscope reading (which is impossible in this forum). Hope that helps...

sherpa 2006-10-12T18:58:15Z Djenne http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#5a6462c7-d644-40b1-ac86-74212fa89437 2006-10-12T17:49:29Z 2006-10-12T17:49:29Z

Hi Sherpa- This is really interesting to me. Perhaps you could shed some clarity on the contradictions I am weeding through in my placements.... I am not an astrological sharp shooter, and sometimes these relationships are like conjugating verbs in spanish..... 27 pisc 40' 53" in the 3rd house with the sun and mars, along with ceres, vesta, and pholu....

Djenne 2006-10-12T17:49:29Z Thalia http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#28624404-9fb5-4619-8873-6278ea217048 2006-10-12T02:03:15Z 2006-10-12T02:03:15Z

Chrisstie - you can plug in your birthdate here and it will give you a chart. Zane posted it in another thread. http://www.astro.com/cgi/ade.cgi?ract=xx687474703a2f2f7777772e617374726f2e636f6d2f6367692f63686172742e6367693f72733d333b627479703d77326777&lang=e&rs=3&btyp=w2gw

Thalia 2006-10-12T02:03:15Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#16ce4723-ab02-4d79-860f-3f0fb5b6e75e 2006-10-11T23:26:07Z 2006-10-11T23:26:07Z

Thanks .....lots to think about. And thanks for being so quick!

Coors 2006-10-11T23:26:07Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8b699701-f94f-46f0-99c0-e838343b618e 2006-10-11T23:00:12Z 2006-10-11T23:00:12Z

Coors, re: "Juno in Pisces in the 8th house" This marks the tendency to already be married to your evolutionary agendas to keep developing and growing as a personality/soul. That psychic dating radar of yours is probably fine-tuned to any potential deadend or stagnating relationship directions, sometimes even before you meet the person (hence, the psychic part). Some of the conditions -- and every marriage is bound by specific conditions -- to being married to your evolutionary agendas might involve only involving yourself with potential mates that show strong promise of intensity and personal growth for you. The Pisces here expresses a strong indication that the powers of receptivity -- listening and paying attention -- act as evolutionary triggers. Receptivity is not the same as passivity; receptivity is more like that radar of yours. In the 8th House, you seek out partners who are compatible with your need to grow and develop, as well as, partners who can enhance your own powers of receptivity by showing a greater receptivity towards yourself then even you, yourself, can! Wouldn't that be loverly ?

sherpa 2006-10-11T23:00:12Z chrisstie http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#1b12fe73-99c1-4670-9b3c-bf5bea926265 2006-10-11T22:52:28Z 2006-10-11T22:52:28Z

how do you find your Juno sign?

chrisstie 2006-10-11T22:52:28Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d86104a6-480d-462e-980e-09643344675f 2006-10-11T22:48:22Z 2006-10-11T22:48:22Z

Hey Sherpa, Nice thread. So maybe you can help me out. I have Juno in Pisces in the 8th house. My moon is Scorpio and my sun is Capricorn....not that that matters. 5th house is Sag and 7th is aqaurius. Not sure what that all means...but everything I read about Pisces tells me I will be a doormat. In fact I have protected myself from relaionships - so well that I stay away from them. I do tend though to have a very strong "radar" when it comes to dating. If my internal instincts do not like what I am doing or who I am contelplating dating it will give me physical and psychic hell until i obey (back pain, anxiety) etc. I can't seem to fool myself. I wonder if part of the reason in because my moon sign and my Juno are trine - my emotional needs are in tune with the type of person "I need". Therefore I cannot just fall for someone who doesn't meet my "needs"? Any thoughts you might have would be great. BTW - I watch your threads here and there and I think you have alot of interesting stuf to say. Plus I think you are a Scorpio right? Love you guys......

Coors 2006-10-11T22:48:22Z BellaRose http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4f4c9ffa-a51b-4684-83f1-ce27cb75fb67 2006-10-11T21:27:59Z 2006-10-11T21:27:59Z

I must add, that goes for me too! If I need to work on something, I need him to bring it to my attention.

BellaRose 2006-10-11T21:27:59Z BellaRose http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#9c7bcfcb-996c-4c06-a0e4-5ec54cefabab 2006-10-11T21:25:20Z 2006-10-11T21:25:20Z

Juno conjunct my Asc./Pluto in Libra I am married to marriage and partnerships. Marriage/family is very important to me. I put a lot of energy into maintaining the relationship and working at it. The betrayal would come from any kind of hurt towards the family. Any kind of adultry, abuse...I wouldn't tolerate it for a second, and he *knows* this. A betayal to the family is a betrayal to me. Also with Pluto there, it is important for my partner have the same passion for keeping the relationship at the level it needs to be. Meaning that both of us are responsible for putting our energy and effort into it, and both of us are responsible for working on ourselves and coming to terms with what we need to work on within ourselves-- so to strengthen the marriage and family when it is needed. Because nobody is perfect and even people and relationships need 'maintenance.' Bluntly--I don't tolerate any kind of denial/lying/coverups about any aspect of you or our relationship. If their is a problem, bring it out in the open and we will do what is in our power to make it better.

BellaRose 2006-10-11T21:25:20Z Thalia http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4c1fa000-8d15-4635-a55d-b1fa13757f48 2006-10-11T20:52:18Z 2006-10-11T20:52:18Z

This is funny. Haha funny as well as peculiar funny. Juno is in my 9th house in Aries. Funny.

Thalia 2006-10-11T20:52:18Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#9b26aede-28e2-4814-be8f-ac3d5017d5c4 2006-10-10T23:36:44Z 2006-10-10T23:36:44Z

I've been pondering restlessly since somone brought up Juno on the "soulmates" thread. I'm glad someone decided to take it further, because if they didn't I was truly leading up to it! My Venus is cinjunct my S.O's Juno, and we certainly have issues brewing, such as confronting our own heartbreaks and heartaches of the past. These aches 'n' pains go back around 13 years for us both. No one but each other has been able to uncover the buried pain until now, which really says something. I guess we are playing "doctor and nurse" getting through each other's scar tissue to the original wound. Now we are both faced with a person (each other) who touches on that wound like no other has since the original wound was inflicted. It seems that we have some healing to do, and we both are realizing that we won't ever be able to accept true love again until we are healed. Apparently our respective Juno's were both spited in the past. If Juno is what we need in a relationship, then our scar -tissue prevents us both from getting what we need now. Now that leads me to utter that other Juno-word: BETRAYAL. We were both betrayed in our youth, and now we can't open up again...but I have a funny feeling we both hold the key. There is no way I'd ever do anything which I thought could hurt this woman, and she is slowly managing to convince me that she is truly my friend and confidante, and not just a fire-breathing lover. When I read the bit about Juno, I just snapped. I really never thought that asteroids were more than a little "extra color" in a birthchart. Now I am convinced that they may add incredible depth to us. I just ordered a book from Amazon.com about Juno for just $4.95. It's the only one there, really, so it shouldn't be a difficult search if you are interested. I am totally on a crusade to discover the power and mystery behind Juno now. I am not only looking into my chart and hers, but into the charts of all the people I know and even a few I don't know to find pieces to the puzzle. When I finally come back to this solar system, I'll let you all in on the data.

FJ 2006-10-10T23:36:44Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#96e1c8e7-de73-4ba8-bf94-6e5485161b67 2006-10-10T23:09:11Z 2006-10-10T23:09:11Z

I was just about to catch you, but I saw you caught yourself. Peace.

FJ 2006-10-10T23:09:11Z Mary Novak Dreamer http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#159fa5d1-171e-47ca-87e0-5fff13cd3e5c 2006-10-10T22:13:31Z 2006-10-10T22:12:58Z

I see Juno in quite a different light. Maybe thats because i am a woman. Juno before Zues came around was a Consort, not a wife. Two different perspectives. The disempowerment of the feminine within all of us has also played out in our archetype as a wife. Since founding Roman times, the bypassing of woman or wife from the wealth of the kingdom ended up in a current tradition pre sixties back to 1500 bc that the father passes the resources to the son leaving the once powerful Juno with her consort Zues in jepardy. She began to lose her status and became a figurehead of the wife who was powerless, and eventaully demoted to raising children and servant cleaning chores, still prevelant in some womens psyche. A Juno pre Sun God was not so nieve or disempowered. After the era of feminism of the 1970s and 80s a whole new level of scholars including Demetra George shows a different perspective than the archeology one of just figure head with no true empowerment over the domain of 'All my Relations' I say this because my Juno is in the 7th house of Gemini and i had to see both the antiquities view and the ermerging feminine energy in both men and women and chldren today. I call the era of feminism over and the era of the feminine replacing it. A place where woman, with such stories as Lilith returning to paradise rther than the shell with no soul of Eve's archetype. This femiinine within everyone is beginning to see that fifty percent of our beliefs and realities are missing the hidden elements of the internal and its empowerment, which is to touch that part of us that is hidden and one of a deeper nature that rules our Solar expression. Its premanifestated spirit of creation in any term. My Juno is also square Eris, the new rising feminine who will not stand by silently anymore and witsness the abuse of the Solar God Zues without turning away out of rejection of the home, family or clan and call on inwardly the aspects of Vesta, Pallas Athene, Psyche, Nike, and a host of other aspects of womans unconscious to guide, not to turn away. They say there are two types of women, those ruled by the Moon: If i clean your laundry and do your dishes ... YOU OWE ME the abundance of a home for my children or loved ones. And the VENUS woman, who says yes you may lay your abundance at my feet but do not own me for i am Love and eternally free if i can master and overcome the distorted views of a woman who is CONSOR|T to man rather than wife. To me i see JUNO a mix of both, once integrated and whole. Now over the past 2000 years i see the fragmented and soul fragments of the Yang energy thats been dominate and has control issues. Both womens masculine side and mens masculine sides. So to bring Juno back into wholeness not as wife but consort elevates her to GODDESS along side Zues as GOD. Belief systems of Sagittarius have been going through a Death with Pluto in Sag and especially now that its near the Galactic Center and will transit and hit the Gallactic center three times before it finally goes direct into CAPRICORN. So the wholeness of Juno isn't even known in the psyche of 85% of women and thats even her own herstory, i can't imagine what men must think as these Archetypes of the Goddess begin to become transformed. Remember for wholeness we must bring Zues down 50% and rise Hera or Juno up 50% for true Balance which leads to peace between the sacred marriage of the Mind and Emotinoal body or in fact men and womens relationships as equal, not diminished or heirarchal. Ti Amo, Mary

Mary Novak Dreamer 2006-10-10T22:12:58Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ec1e2bb5-8edd-46f2-90c5-8f3be8e0f898 2006-10-09T13:55:38Z 2006-10-09T13:55:38Z

there was talk about Juno and the soul mate post -so I dug this post up in case any new member haven't seen it. There are other too -I chose this one because of my own personal clarity of what it is saying and asking.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-09T13:55:38Z Dragon-of-Q http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8e2a504d-ecd0-4040-8532-83761f7614d0 2006-02-09T00:33:49Z 2006-02-09T00:33:49Z

another thought. their was a word in this thread "betrayal".. of partner, of your too partner, of the honor of self. looking foward to see were this thread goes.

Dragon-of-Q 2006-02-09T00:33:49Z Dragon-of-Q http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f5f46f0e-54bb-477e-b1cc-7da1dc5833c1 2006-02-09T00:30:18Z 2006-02-09T00:30:18Z

Definet spin yes. i have juno in libra 11th house. put that together w/ you're input, or should I say Export. gives this a whole new meaning.

Dragon-of-Q 2006-02-09T00:30:18Z Nyx http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#45563345-837e-4389-8765-8602fdebb248 2006-02-09T00:10:17Z 2006-02-09T00:10:17Z

I have Juno in Libra, in my 8th house, on the cusp of Scorpio. It’s confusing to factor together everything that relates to relationships in a chart. In mine I have my much reviled Leo Saturn in the 7th, and also Eros and Psyche in my 7th, in Virgo. Now Juno in the 8th too? Hopefully 7th house Eros and 8th house Juno bring a needed balance to 7th house Saturn, but it’s confusing to see the bigger picture. One really interesting thing I noticed is that my 8th house Juno (at 29 some degrees Libra) looks to be conjunct (though they are different signs) my 9th house North Node (at 3 some degrees Scorpio), and my 2nd house Chiron (at 28 some degrees Aries) opposes my Juno and North Node, and also seems to be conjunct (though different signs) my 3rd house South Node (at 3 some degrees Taurus). Could this Juno, Chiron opposition, connected to the nodes, be seen as a need to move from an individualistic place of wallowing in suffering (Aries/ Chiron near Taurus south node) towards balanced, harmonious, potent, transformational, intense, powerfully sexual relationships (8th house Juno, Libra near Scorpio north node)--to not let a sense of isolated suffering draw me into old patterns and keep me from relating? I’m further confused after reading the information from the link provided below, which describes Juno as a strictly sexual planet: "Juno rules sex without commitment. Juno is ruler of lust and sexual relations without emotional involvement. Juno represents sex outside of a committed relationship, such as a marriage. For these reasons, Juno is symbolic of the mistress, adultery, infidelity, cheating, illicit sex, casual sex, as well as the affair and the one-night stand.” This way of interpreting Juno would blow everything I just said out of the water; how can we reconcile such opposite interpretations? Any ideas?

Nyx 2006-02-09T00:10:17Z Chenae http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4474cdcb-a4ab-4353-94f1-ec06c73e11bb 2006-02-07T07:21:43Z 2006-02-07T07:21:43Z

My Juno is in Leo in the 4th house conjunct my retrograde mercury (in virgo) and trine my retrograde neptune in sag in the 8th house. whew! what the-!?

Chenae 2006-02-07T07:21:43Z victoria http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#344dae94-1716-4d0a-b8c8-1bf5b64824af 2006-02-07T07:00:53Z 2006-02-07T07:00:53Z

Thanks for going through planet, it's enlightening

victoria 2006-02-07T07:00:53Z oriana http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6689448d-47a7-4914-818f-26c04cb889ac 2006-02-07T05:30:27Z 2006-02-07T05:30:27Z

Wow. I'm really at a loss for words with this one. Juno 19d in Virgo, 10th house. Sextile Saturn in Scorpio, 12th house. Really, I need a few days for this one to sink in. What struck me immediately was the 10th house- being married to my ambitions and career. I've always been that way. I have a very real bond with the world of social standing and career. And Virgo?. That was kind of a blow. It's a far cry from what I THINK I want, with Venus conj Uranus in Sag. I want fun and freedom. A light touch. But really the only real relationship I've been in has been with the same guy SINCE I WAS 12. Sure enough it's been VERY on and off (mostly off). But it's always there, looming in the shadows. The C word...COMMITMENT! noooooooooooooooo I think it's a little early in the game to analyze this one. We'll see how it pans out. Wow.

oriana 2006-02-07T05:30:27Z J.D. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#39b61075-d3e4-4061-b18c-a61f3955fd87 2006-02-07T04:32:58Z 2006-02-07T04:32:58Z

This is one of those rare times I will say "Thank you officer, have a good one!" Here's to getting no tickets :)

J.D. 2006-02-07T04:32:58Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4575ca17-a0f5-4a80-9f96-b5d76cbf434c 2006-02-06T23:36:43Z 2006-02-06T23:36:43Z

J.D. re: "Juno In 12th House 19 degree in Libra" Love your take on this. I especially understand how your feelings of betrayal are aroused when you get the sense that anyone has pidgeonholed you or boxed you into some convenient category or figured you out. Seeing how my natal Saturn conjuncts your Juno, I feel it is my duty to hold you totally responsible for maintaining this intimacy with unknowns. Do not, I repeat, do not deviate from your deviations. your friend and part-time cosmic cop, -sherpa

sherpa 2006-02-06T23:36:43Z J.D. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#b234de6b-b7b6-4e49-b152-1930d9ccf0ac 2006-02-06T21:30:24Z 2006-02-06T21:30:24Z

My Juno Is 12th House 19 degree in Libra. I am married to maintaining a relation to the x-factor. Any one-sided truth sends me writhing with wild eyes and flared nostrils like a lassoed horse. I also have Uranus at 15 degree Libra. This loosish conjunction keeps me married to my freedom. I feel this freedom deeply by keeping a healthy dose of the unknown in everything that I relate to. For me fertilization and growth can sometimes only happen in the dark. Betrayal comes when someone thinks that they have me, or something that I hold dear completely figured out. Total understanding of anything, for me, is an illusion and robs that very thing of any autonomous life present. My feathers start to become unruffled at the first utterance of the words possibly, maybe or (swoon) I don't know. Crowding and suffocation needs creating and maintaining the spaces between. Aspects that I have been working to fathom for many years: I have a 9th house Venus 13 degree Cancer, and 6th house Chiron 16 degree Aires. This T-square(?) has me aiming to honor my love of a caring perspective in tension with preserving mystery. While also often rocking the boat in refernce to any institution that is knows what is best for all of us. Hmmm, this interpretation get more slippery the more words I use...

J.D. 2006-02-06T21:30:24Z wyoming http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#bcc69d7d-2c3c-4c3b-a063-78e62b3d7cce 2006-02-06T20:40:57Z 2006-02-06T20:40:57Z

that's really interesting Sherpa. Maybe that's why it was so hard for me to write about the Neptune in the 4th. I've felt for a long time that I am looking for a way to integrate home/family life into my personal view of relationships. Finding a place to belong to is a big theme in my life - and I've never really had anyone accurately sum up - astrologically why that could be. With pluto in my 2nd, I guess it would come through values/money. I have been experimenting in my partnership with transforming our definition of what home/family life is, and how we can better help each other pay for it. Interesting... thank you.

wyoming 2006-02-06T20:40:57Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ad96c71c-c940-42c9-8585-e555e4802bac 2006-02-06T20:05:59Z 2006-02-06T20:05:59Z

Why-oh-ming, re: "Juno at 20 degrees scorpio - 4th house." With the preface that I don't believe astrology has answers for all circumstances (anyone who says so is padding their BS), I think your Juno placement may be about being married to the evolution of what home and family means. At its most essential level this addresses the need for belonging somewhere. This is not a typical 4th House Juno of "family values" but one that demands the transformation of what constitutes "home and family" as defined by your preceding ancestors. Look to see where natal Pluto sits to grasp HOW this transformation occurs and what charged issue in yourself will effect this change. If Pluto is in the1st House, the issue would be identity; in the 2nd House, money; in the 3rd House, education.

sherpa 2006-02-06T20:05:59Z wyoming http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#32ef667d-89d9-4bd0-aed1-84f6dba98f44 2006-02-06T19:16:19Z 2006-02-06T19:16:19Z

It's 20 degrees scorpio - 4th house.

wyoming 2006-02-06T19:16:19Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#32d58328-f33b-4ab4-a509-4110c9cb49bc 2006-02-06T18:56:38Z 2006-02-06T18:56:38Z

Why-oh-ming, Stump you ? Where is your natal Juno ? Perhap she may be stumped, too. ; ) sherpa

sherpa 2006-02-06T18:56:38Z wyoming http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f5d470f7-4f3e-4000-9931-6f4998de3fae 2006-02-06T18:37:58Z 2006-02-06T18:37:58Z

ok Sherpa - you have managed to stump me. I cannot feel attached to this Juno exercise for some reason. I'll keep thinking about it. :)

wyoming 2006-02-06T18:37:58Z déia http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#7ac1fa4d-014a-4608-bf33-63ced88a71ad 2006-02-06T16:23:59Z 2006-02-06T16:23:59Z

oh, that’s great. JUST great. like I needed MORE confirmation of my severe attachment to the 6th house. damn. ["stop gloating, Mercury!"] *huff* *puff* (grump grump grump) *pout* *shudder* Juno at 20 degrees 48’ Gemini. conjunct Mercury(retro) at 19 degrees 36’, Sun at 18 degrees 39’, and moon at 23 degrees 9’. all in Gemini. all in the 6th house. oh yeah, and speaking of the association with the Descendant/7th house cusp, that’s at 25 degrees 4’ Gemini. boo hoo hoooo I got them 6th house blues....

déia 2006-02-06T16:23:59Z Lady Neptune http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#82d5b5f9-bd8f-4466-bb90-c9f8b7767e09 2006-02-06T13:51:53Z 2006-02-06T13:51:53Z

..how about Juno in Cancer in the 8th @ 17*, conjunct the Vertex @ 13*? very wide opposition w/Part of Fortune @ 5* Capricorn in 2nd..the only aspects are Juno in angle to Jupiter & Juno square Pluto (@ 21* Libra, 11th).. I don't know exactly how aspects affecting the Vertex would affect Juno being conjunct, but I have Vertex biquintile the moon, trine Mercury and in angle to Mars.. "Emotions rule the Juno in Cancer; if your partner fulfills you emotionally everything else will follow in line. If your partner is emotionally cold or too grasping you will feel quite on edge; Juno-Cancer's strong suit is not holding up under emotional pressure. If your partner meets your needs, however, you are extremely loving and nurturing in long-term relationships. You treat others with tenderness and care, making you much sought-after and adored. The past is very important to you; you remember anniversaries and touching occasions which you celebrate with loving remembrances. That same remembrance of the past is your downfall, however; you may remember past hurts too keenly and be reluctant to be vulnerable. Love requires that vulnerability and you'd be wise to remember the lessons you've learned from past hurts but to remember that it's important not to guard your emotions with an iron fist and to be a little less sensitive." I have a Pisces sun w/Venus in the 5th so I'm guessing this placement makes me very emotionally intense in relationships, and relationships are extremely important to me...which is very true. I have yet to be involved with/find a guy that could handle or remotely reflect my extreme emotional needs within a relationship.. : (

Lady Neptune 2006-02-06T13:51:53Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#53af1807-f336-4b8e-8589-0226cd084ba1 2006-02-06T06:42:50Z 2006-02-06T06:42:50Z

If any of this makes sense, how would your sense of betrayal be defined and then, healed? The sense of betrayal would be that the code is a lie... Healed? yes, but not without scars. Good read Sherpa.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-06T06:42:50Z Captain http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#9b4c2782-5385-428c-bf9f-a4e76737f192 2006-02-06T06:28:59Z 2006-02-06T06:28:59Z

Thanks, Sherpa. IF I am ever in another relationship....and please note the emphasis on IF....I've already formulated some clear definitions. One of the biproducts of Pluto squaring my Saturn and opposing my Sun........ As for Juno...I have Juno in the 8th technically, but it is 5 minutes away from the 9th cusp on that chart. I consider it right on the 9th cusp.

Captain 2006-02-06T06:28:59Z MystiK http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#78c4ec71-31e1-4ac3-8f7e-165d4f3a5430 2006-02-06T05:57:33Z 2006-02-06T05:57:33Z

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... In relation to carrying on a legacy... I'm not entirely sure about that one, though I have always been interested in geneaology and where my ancestors came from...though just over the past six years that has switched to an interest in past lives. So I get the "remembering who has come before" (or what) aspect. I did have an intuitive friend tell me once that I'm picking up where my mom left off. She also has a cancer north - capricorn south node, just different houses. interesting that she has juno in the 4th house...but in leo...almost exactly square mine...hmm...perhaps something to look into? thanks again! it's greatly appreciated!

MystiK 2006-02-06T05:57:33Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f4047970-566a-4127-831d-ce387a38cea6 2006-02-06T05:56:52Z 2006-02-06T05:56:52Z

Yeah, all this stuff about subsequent 'spouses'. What if a person was never ever married in the first place, yet had a couple long-term relationships? Do those still count? Does the 9th house still hold for all such subsequent relationships, or does it move around, until you get something like a '5 strikes you're out' ? My mother was married 5 times. She's been with the current one for about 27 years. He's 23 years her junior. I guess she wasn't lookin' too hard at that Juno, eh...

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-06T05:56:52Z MystiK http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f305b56a-67f9-4a96-9913-b4dfe1cf8cbb 2006-02-06T05:51:53Z 2006-02-06T05:51:53Z

Sherpa, I'm going to reply way down here because it seems to be where people look! Regarding two people having Capricorn Juno in the 4th: That does make a lot of sense. I know that he is definitely married to his family and to his ambitions - much love goes towards these two areas. We are both married to our "spiritual families", so to speak. I in particular, because I really don't have a great relationship with 1/2 the people in my immediate family, though the rest, I must admit, I have a great unspoken bond with. I definitely get the "feelings of betrayel" aspect - he's really into homeopathy, and when I've brought that line of healing into question, he's become very defensive and almost bitter. I've also been inclined toward some bitter feelings when I feel he doesn't support who and what I am as much as I'd like him to. Not so much material support, but just a, hey, that's great what you're doing, keep it up! Yes, so it totally makes sense. Thanks! ~*k*~ btw - i really liked that quote!

MystiK 2006-02-06T05:51:53Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#d3939884-fa31-49ab-98fd-a4fc27f5104c 2006-02-06T05:47:05Z 2006-02-06T05:47:05Z

*you are married to your changes, your ongoing process of personal evolution and their ever-molting transformations... * Am I ever, and better yet if the transformations include a good dose of shock and awe. I don't think I needed Juno to tell me that, though. But maybe it helps clarify when I feel betrayed - when I find myself in a rut, bored because I have figured out the pattern and it is therefore no longer stimulating.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-06T05:47:05Z Mae http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8e3d0b42-cc66-456b-8c22-98af855757d1 2006-02-06T05:22:24Z 2006-02-06T05:22:24Z

Me, venus/7th/Cancer and mars/Pisces/3rd. First was a Pisces, definitely. moon Virgo, ninth house, my second Sun Virgo/Leo Moon. This resonated with me. Wonder what 3rd spouse house is? Glad to hear I'm on to the fundamental. My father always said I took after his mother...she finally settled down into number 5..of course that was many years ago.

Mae 2006-02-06T05:22:24Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#3bf7cfc9-d2b4-497e-9da4-0b3f4bd8b740 2006-02-06T05:17:47Z 2006-02-06T05:17:47Z

Zane -- My assumption about the 9th House Juno is that you are married to your vision of truth and the philosophy that has developed from that initial vision. "Love me, love my vision." Your most compatible partners would be those who get along with your truth, understand your beliefs, and share your interests. No matter how great everything else might be, if the mate does not "get your vision" the marriage is doomed. I don't usually lay it down so hard but with Saturn in your 7th, you deserve to be the one to set down a few hard laws about what works for you and what does not. Otherwise, you'll be forced to follow HER rules. I say to you, "define yourself or be defined." As for whether 9th House Juno assures a second wife or points to that, well, there may be something here seeing how all your Gemini influence may be prone to manifest in dual or parallel cycles. Now I noticed on your profile page that Juno is in your 8th House and was wondering if it moves into the 9th in a different House System. -sherpa

sherpa 2006-02-06T05:17:47Z Dragon-of-Q http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#33c3f3a5-7c94-482f-b172-904ab1a3d73a 2006-02-06T05:14:16Z 2006-02-06T05:14:16Z

yep "sounds" like it. pun intended. Thanx.

Dragon-of-Q 2006-02-06T05:14:16Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#4815dbd4-b368-48af-990b-1a8adb5c3809 2006-02-06T05:03:19Z 2006-02-06T05:03:19Z

Micahel -- re: "Juno in the 4th house with Mercury in Pisces" This placement represents a complex marriage to your ideas AND the ideas of your ancestors. It's made complex by the Pisces inclination to maintain unity and so, your ideas and the ideas passed down to you from your ancestral legacy are entwined as threads in the same weave. And so, you are at once a spokesperson for your clan and also someone who has ideas of his own but often times confused with those of your forefathers, grandmothers and grandfathers. The ancestral lineage of ideas is passed down from generation to generation as a kind of "code of the clan" that comes with its own terms, defintions and contexts of what they mean. The primary purpose of this code would probably be to hold the family together on the symbolic, spiritual and emotional levels. If any of this makes sense, how would your sense of betrayal be defined and then, healed ? -sherpa

sherpa 2006-02-06T05:03:19Z Mae http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#83df67ad-560c-4a4c-bdfb-49a4fbb68c34 2006-02-06T04:56:37Z 2006-02-06T04:56:37Z

I correct myself, my sweetheart Cap/sun/merc and Taurus, moon, which makes a bit more sense to me, my intrigue with him, and the emotional harmony.

Mae 2006-02-06T04:56:37Z Captain http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#888611f0-c73f-47f2-98a1-a2ac8cca86d0 2006-02-06T04:53:01Z 2006-02-06T04:53:01Z

A lot of thought provoking stuff on this thread. I haven't seen so much interest in Juno in years. Great! One thing caught my eye the was mentione en passant. The 9th house represents the 2nd spouse. How valid has anyoe found that to be? I ask for two reasons. First, I have Juno in my 9th, so there should be a much more direct connection with my Juno and a future spouse (If I everremarry) than there was with my first wife. Second, my 9th house is much, much less stressful than my 7th. I have Saturn and Neptune in my 7th, and Saturn itself makes mostly difficult aspects. In fact, the only positive aspect Saturn makes at all is a quintile to my Moon. Neither one of these planets is great for a relationship....and they clearly define the first marriage partner (who was a Pisces wth sever Saturn issues.) In my 9th house, I have my Moon, which is part of a grand trine with Venus and Jupiter, and the aforementioned quintile to Saturn. The only stressful aspect the Moon makes is a quincunx to Uranus...but hey, marriage is adjustments. So I'm curious if people have seen the 9th house representing a second spouse.

Captain 2006-02-06T04:53:01Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c3debf77-0d96-4acb-bd05-05d9c0201dc9 2006-02-06T04:51:59Z 2006-02-06T04:51:59Z

DragonWire, re: "juno in virgo 11th house" Yes perhaps you did take the "marriage" idea too literally. However, I think you're pretty close to grasping it here. Your natal Juno placement might suggest a kind of marriage to your tribe or at least married to staying useful to your people, your tribe, your circle of friends. That your Juno is in Virgo could also mean being married to your work and/or the friendships you develop at work. This confirms what you already said, "Timespent on something you can see that enriches the lives of people around me." Sometimes this 11th House Juno placement can also mean marrying within your tribe, or forming a longterm relationship with someone with whom a friendship has already been established. It can also mean that whomever you mate with must either get along with your friends and/or that your friends approve of her/him. Being a friend to yourself might also be a part of the condition that maintains the internal marriage. Does any of this ring bells ? -sherpa

sherpa 2006-02-06T04:51:59Z Dragon-of-Q http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#18b9f291-f9db-49ba-b22e-e8e835b7d803 2006-02-06T04:36:48Z 2006-02-06T04:36:48Z

with further thought on you're question, I guess i took it to litterally. married to creating. new things, Timespent on somthing you can see. somthing that inritches the lives of people around me. Betrayal issues. Anything that takes such for it's self. Keeps it away from who needs or wants it. Anything I create I offer to the world. I feel worthy if just 1 get something they need or want from it. i feel betrayed if the recongnition or reward it taken by another or kept from the world by another. I hope this isn't too criptic. Thats why I kinda said it twice. my juno is virgo 11th house, & If I'm getting this right it is sextile w/my sun in cancer & mercury in cancer.

Dragon-of-Q 2006-02-06T04:36:48Z ॐmalino ke kai☯ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#ef6a5996-189f-4f43-9175-a7b443fd4c5a 2006-02-06T04:20:22Z 2006-02-06T04:20:22Z

i have Juno in pisces just seconds into the 4th house and is part of what i'm gonna call a grand rectangle (though there is probably no such thing in astrology ;) ) comprised of juno pisces 4th opposite mc virgo, neptune(r) scorpio 12th opposite moon taurus 6th, juno sextile moon, mc sextile neptune(r), juno trine neptune(r), mc trine moon. ok i'll take a try at this. i am married to my fantasies and dreams from the comfort of my home. my feelings of betrayal in longterm relationships can rise when my partner fails to realize how important those fantasies and dreams are inside and outside our relationship and does not honor them. when that happens i erect barriers between us basically sabotaging the relationship and causing it to end. on the upside, i've remained friends with lovers after that form of partnership ends. our friendships afterwards are much better than when we were in an intimate sexual relationship. this usually comes from my realization that my fantasies and dreams of us were unrealistic and then forgiving myself and my partner for all negativity that was caused by this. and i can definitely say that i have done what the website zane posted says not to do and gotten into a relationship with someone because i felt sorry for them and wanted to "save" them. and i only now just realized that from working on this so this is a major lesson i am learning. in the past i have contributed my relationship failures to my believing i don't deserve to be loved and wanted in this world (message given to me pre-birth when my parents attempted to abort me... thank goodness for me my mom couldn't complete the drug regimen) and now i also see how this may have affected them as well. deep gratitude and thanks sherpa for bringing this up. below is my "worksheet" at how i came to the above with annotations along the way. enjoy! *************************** Juno in Pisces: This one may be satisfied with an imaginary partner! If they happen to be married to (or living with) a real person, then they can use imagination to eliminate the partner's shortcomings and add virtues to taste. Please be careful not to marry someone because you feel sorry for them or want to "save" them. (yep i've had imaginary partners and yes i have used imagination to eliminate my partner's shortcomings. too late to be careful, been there done that hopefully learned my lesson.) Pisces Pisces is a water sign and extremely receptive. Pisces may glimpse things that are invisible to most signs. It is sensitive to everything around it, and picks up energies and impressions easily. It might even experience these energies as part of itself. This sensitivity can produce a strong imagination, and sometimes Pisces can withdraw into a world of fantasy and dreams. It is very likely to have a spiritual interest, but can be passive and lacking in self-assertion. Pisces is no so much concerned with its own needs, and often interested in serving others. It feels a connection between itself and the world around it and is sensitive to the needs of others. ------- Juno in the 4th House: This person can be married to their home. Juno in the 4th house can also indicate a need for a partner who is attached to the domestic environment. Another possibility is that you become more of a domestic type after marriage. (yes my tendency is to be more of a homebody though i have no resistance to going outside of the home if i want to do something in the world.) 4th House - Roots and Origins This house describes our origins, our parental home and the circumstances influencing childhood and youth. It describes how we relate to "family", our attitudes towards "hearth and home". ------- i include this here because juno is just seconds into the 4th house conjunct ic Juno in the 3rd House: Communication will tend to be an especially important here, and marriage or partnership will tend to improve the communications ability of anyone with this placement, especially if there are harmonious aspects to Juno (sextile and trine). Stressful aspects on the other hand (square and opposition) could indicate that the marriage can reduce communications ability. (well communication has always been an issue for me as it is hard for me to communicate my inner feelings, thoughts, desires, etc in a way that is satisfactory. alot of times i can't think of the right way to say things, get frustrated, and say nothing.) 3rd House - Communication The third house tells us about our siblings, the manner in which we communicate on an everyday level and the relationships which determine our daily life. It shows how we react to our immediate environment and learn from it. -------- Juno Aspects the Moon: The attraction will be to emotional and nurturing partners, and domestic types. At least they will tend to be nurturing with the harmonious aspects conjunction, sextile and trine. The stressful aspects (square and opposition) can indicate a clash between your emotional and partnership needs. You could get a partner who is over-emotional or whines a lot. Conversely, the partner could bring out those traits in you. (juno is sextile moon here but i swear it could fit the stressful aspects description, maybe because juno is in pisces and living in that world of fantasy and dreams.) Juno Aspects Neptune: If you have a stressful aspect (conjunction, square, or opposition) between Juno and Neptune, please, PLEASE do not marry someone because you feel sorry for them or because you want to "save" them. Remember this magic number. If you do, you will never again have the problem of getting into a marriage for the wrong reasons. Please memorize it. It's 911. Dial that and have them taken away so they can be helped by a professional. Then, get into therapy yourself to cure your masochism. (lol! i have done exactly this and i guess thankgoodness that juno is trine neptune!) On the positive side especially with the harmonious aspects (sextile and trine) the partner will tend to be sensitive, empathetic, and imaginative. Marriage and partnership can also bring out these same traits in you. In all cases, there will be an inclination to over idealize the partner, to see what we want to see about them. (boy isn't that the truth especially with juno in pisces!) Juno Aspects the Mid-Heaven: Aspects to the Mid-Heaven affect one's career and "public image." Juno-ruled careers include marriage councilor and people who work in organizations that try to prevent wife-battering and child abuse. Like Venus, Juno has an attraction for all occupations that involve beauty and adornment. This also includes anything involving the arts. When it comes to career, it doesn't matter if an aspect to the Mid-Heaven is harmonious or stressful. In fact, the stressful aspects can frequently bring greater success since they generate more power. Those with harmonious aspects may take it too easy and not push hard enough. (funny most of my career choices have been non-artistic, though i have always wished to be in a couple different kind of artistic professions but never pursued them because for some reason i've considered myself not worthy, but that's another matter.) juno 12pis40'51" 4th neptune 9sco35'17"r 12th moon 14tau56'21" 6th mc 12vir20'53" juno: opposite mc orb0 sextile moon orb2 trine neptune(r) orb1 neptune: opposite moon orb5 sextile mc orb3 trine juno orb1 moon: opposite neptune orb5 sextile juno orb2 trine mc orb3 mc: opposite juno orb0 sextile neptune orb3 trine moon orb3

ॐmalino ke kai☯ 2006-02-06T04:20:22Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8490acd8-0511-4928-8cd2-4e01761460a5 2006-02-06T01:57:14Z 2006-02-06T01:57:14Z

maenad! you are married to your changes, your ongoing process of personal evolution and their ever-molting transformations...

sherpa 2006-02-06T01:57:14Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#2cb54417-526b-4ad9-a0dd-ca9c06e24ac0 2006-02-06T01:50:54Z 2006-02-06T01:50:54Z

Juno in the 8th in Cancer (just barely, at 29 degrees nudging up next to Leo). That 8th house just keeps getting more and more crowded... maenad

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-06T01:50:54Z Dragon-of-Q http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f6503c03-43e2-4a4c-86d6-2f158fa30ab4 2006-02-06T01:05:35Z 2006-02-06T01:05:35Z

just looked this up. my juno is in virgo just in 11th house right next to mars virgo in the 10th both are almost on top of each other. kinda cramped in the 10th house were I have pluto & uran. juno doesn't seem to connect to anything else. except its allmost in the same place w/ mars on the other side of the 10th 11th house line. I'm just devorced. betrail: I feel very much soo. mostly w/ my kids not getting the mother they & I feel they should have. They all live w/ me. I feel more betraid by the fact that they have been. The ex has been working hard on me to come back home, bring kids w/ me. They all say "No way dad". The betrail is mostly that She is not looking to find them. She would do wonders to getting my heart through them. I've even told her this to no affect. I have another issue, but that isn't soo important. It's just about me. I have kids, "I" don't matter so much.

Dragon-of-Q 2006-02-06T01:05:35Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#34a9359e-ce85-4a60-90a3-f2d134d18ca9 2006-02-06T00:34:56Z 2006-02-06T00:34:56Z

No pun intended.. ;-) LOL

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-06T00:34:56Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#7f1433a1-6ce6-4da2-91ec-54d723aea3ae 2006-02-06T00:32:43Z 2006-02-06T00:32:43Z

My Juno is in the 4th house, Mercury in Pisces.4th house= family, Mercury= Communication,travel, moves fast. Picses= a need for solitude... I guess I need someone that won't hold me down, and allows me time for myself. I really don't know how the 4th house plays into it though?... I come from a loose knit family. Whats your take on that combo Sherpa?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-06T00:32:43Z Frank http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f170c8d0-1004-4b8c-b924-3e648910b794 2006-02-06T00:23:21Z 2006-02-06T00:23:21Z

I have Juno 12th house scorpio, 28 degrees (I was born on the 28th?) I married a scorpio with leo moon, it was beyond insane and at the end, she did what she could to destroy me. There are parts of me still recovering... The process of recovering led me to a search for truth that has consumed my life. I dont do meaningless conversations, I am deep intense and real, or silent as a rule and most of the people that visit are usually seeking some form of emotional help. I have a commercial space on a retail strip where I do readings. I semi-secretly live in the back of my shop and I have a 900 line that can ring 24/7. There is an idea of living what I do and a stronger idea of helping people to see things about themselves that they don't want to see. I am a significant door opener for many. I would say I am married to my cat, Yuri. He's actually a manx and has remarkable communication skills. We are together 20 hours a day. We are co-dependant. Scorpio males have never been a problem for me and I won't associate with scorpio females. Aries and libras have shown me alot friendship on the surface but secretly suffered from jealousy and sought some form of retribution. Over all the most desceptive I have seen has been from leos. As to the hidden enemies, they seem to come from all directions. There seems to always be some kind of habitual liar around as a friend (previously an aries) but they seldom last long. Now it's a guy (a cancer) and he's such a practicle joker you cant take him serious.

Frank 2006-02-06T00:23:21Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#25c165d0-10c6-4104-b64e-a5cbe7ac54f3 2006-02-06T00:19:23Z 2006-02-06T00:19:23Z

My juno is in capricorn in the 7th house. It´s trining my Sun and sextiles my jupiter(ruler of my 7th house). I always feel married to my relationships, I´m high maintanance. I fight for balance, I take reltionships seriuosly, I´m very aware of power struggles also. For me relationships should are based on love, respect, communication, and equal responsabilities for both. Besides my juno in the 7th I also have many planets in libra: mars, saturn and pluto. (all retrogades)

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-06T00:19:23Z stevo diVino http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#a992bebc-32fb-4efc-88d9-10ad7abffc04 2006-02-05T22:38:59Z 2006-02-05T22:38:59Z

no pun intended.

stevo diVino 2006-02-05T22:38:59Z stevo diVino http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#b88a65e4-1e41-4b53-81b2-ed1368eeb7f6 2006-02-05T22:38:22Z 2006-02-05T22:38:22Z

he is a little cryptic at times, but generally in a jovial way it seems. sometimes the english as a second language thing is difficult, but also poetic. nonetheless, i hope you get a straight answer out of him this time :)

stevo diVino 2006-02-05T22:38:22Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#e9194abe-3a3f-489b-9f4c-f2f42657e2e6 2006-02-05T22:33:36Z 2006-02-05T22:33:36Z

PRAYOGA -- Your response is a little cryptic to me. I am now wondering if I unintentionally offended you and if so, please accept my apologies. I am interested in your opinions and what it is that you know. Whether or not it agrees with my views does not matter to me as much as finding out where you are coming from. What's your truth ? My truth comes from reading thousands of charts (astrology is my day job), making a lot of observations on repeating patterns over many years and then, coming to some conclusions based on mythological references, personal experience and creative thought. As for wisdom, that has come through facing my limitations through the failures and mistakes I have manifested and then, aiming to learn something from them. I hate repeating the same mistakes; I love making new mistakes. Mistakes are like god leaks. It's where reality distorts my ideals and I'm looking for more truth. What's yours ?

sherpa 2006-02-05T22:33:36Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#46acd6fb-3514-463c-9790-b3ce83dce4c3 2006-02-05T22:25:38Z 2006-02-05T22:25:38Z

k: I think you have a pretty good grasp of your natal Juno: married to your home and family life. As for the conjunction with your South Node, here is where the depth lies. This speaks to a marriage with your ancestral legacy, to those who came before you and for whom you are somehow contracted to continue, or to extend, their memory. "The love of my life has his Juno at 24 Capricorn, 4th house. What could that mean in terms of our relationship? " That you both have 4th House Capricorn Juno can indicate a fortuitous and even auspicous communion. This is a relationship that plays for keeps and demands to be taken seriously. The conditions for both internal marriages remain the same: you are each married to your home and family but also to your ambitions and goals. The key to compatibility here is what the poet Rainer Maria Rilke suggests: ""I hold this to be the highest task of a bond between two people: that each should stand guard over the solitude of the other." The key word here for the Capricorn Juno is not solitude as much as "task". To stand guard over the solitude not of oneself but of the other is an important task if each person's goals are to be respected. The mutual respect of each other's ambitions is what would maintain this bond over time in my opinion. Loss of this respect would probably arouse the feelings of betrayal. Does any of this make sense ? -sherpa

sherpa 2006-02-05T22:25:38Z Paul http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#772355de-b809-48a8-b734-1c0ffa9b9efc 2006-02-05T22:11:44Z 2006-02-05T22:11:44Z

I also have an Aquarius Juno in the 3rd - square venus. What am I married to? Freedom, and to be honest - I was going to answer precisely what you answered before I read it, Sherpa. Where are my betrayal issues? Repression, distraction, and a lack of personal freedom.

Paul 2006-02-05T22:11:44Z MystiK http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#551baf35-2f59-4ad0-b42d-1fdddebbfcf7 2006-02-05T22:10:48Z 2006-02-05T22:10:48Z

Juno in Capricorn 4th house - 7 degrees Conjunt South Node - 5 degrees Cap. in 4th Sextile Sun exactly - 7 Scorpio in 3rd Sextile Venus - 6 Scorpio in 3rd Trine ASC - 12 Virgo Okay...Apparently I'm married to the past (south node), to the home (4th house), and to being successful from/in the home (capricorn). All the aspects are "easy" aspects, meaning this marriage comes easily to me. It's just there. It's what is for me. It's what I strive for and love (Sun, Venus, ASC aspects). I'm not sure how I feel about being married to my south node...what could that possibly mean!?! Quiet honestly, I do love being at home. I'm mostly a hermit (which I attribute partially to my Virgo rising), though I do get out once in a while. All in all I'm tied to the home and would prefer to work from home, basically to work for myself. I tire of job relationships where I have to do what someone else wants me to do. I want to be my own boss. I want to, and always have wanted to, meld the responsibilities of home and work. Which is partially why I want to help start a healing and educational sustainable community/center thing, whatever. Fits perfectly. Partners: I look for someone who is grounded. Someone who can help me handle the business and organizational aspects of life. I need somone who can make decisions, as I tend to express my libran side with indecision. I want someone who wants to help me materialize my vision, and has the material world know-how to do it. I can fly off the handle sometimes emotionally, so someone who is grounded is key to helping me ground myself (my only earth is the ascendant in Virgo). Question: The love of my life has his Juno at 24 Capricorn, 4th house. What could that mean in terms of our relationship? That we seek the same thing? Does that mean we won't find it in each other? I think I'm more likely to find what I'm looking for in a partner in him, as he's a Virgo, hence the grounding earth quality. And he's very on top of things in the healing business world... Just wondering!

MystiK 2006-02-05T22:10:48Z Prayoga http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#a8a16ce7-11c1-4725-aab2-d7545cc86da1 2006-02-05T22:07:56Z 2006-02-05T22:07:56Z

Ohhhhhhhhh yeah serpa, you are so right, and it's nice to have a harem of adoring ones.... Well you don't say where that wisdom comes from, but you have a great tribe of believers so who am I to critisise you. Well and if we don't get into the topic of jelousy and keeping up apearances I think we speak different languages. Enjoy your play with the birds serpa. I got the point...........

Prayoga 2006-02-05T22:07:56Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#77f5c690-992b-4870-869c-efe1ae02ad93 2006-02-05T20:35:06Z 2006-02-05T20:35:06Z

Good to see this link, I have Demetra George's book too, it is fun, though I have no idea how to work with asteroids. What orbs should be given them, for example? I think I heard Zane once say less than one degree... Mine is in Libra in the 11th, conjunct Pallas. I read that Pallas is supposed to make you argumentative, especially, I would imagine, in Libra. Well, I do not mind wangling, but am not so keen on those kind of arguments where it seems to be more about winnng than on who is really right, so probably feel betrayed where that seems to be the case. But I am not up on asteroids really.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-05T20:35:06Z stevo diVino http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6949a29d-2710-460c-88d3-4cefbf3ccbf1 2006-02-05T20:14:30Z 2006-02-05T20:14:30Z

"bring on the hot sex, the fucking secrets, the intensity. 'SHOW me watcha workin' with'..." as soon as I can find a sponsor for my air fare, darlin! we seem to be on about the same page as far as what we're looking for in relationships and not looking for in marriages, at least.

stevo diVino 2006-02-05T20:14:30Z Mae http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#06ba0173-7caf-488c-b0cb-10f2d3ee782e 2006-02-05T20:09:09Z 2006-02-05T20:09:09Z

Thanks for this post, it's interesting. and news to me. The added web link on Juno also: "The 7th house tells us the kind of person our first marriage partner will be (and the 9th house describes our 2nd marriage partner, if any). Juno works on a more fundamental level. " My Juno is in first house in Capricorn. The only planet in this Hemisphere of my chart is Mars (3rd house), and there are asteroids here too. Looks like an angle Juno Cap/1st to Mars Pisces/3rd... trine moon Virgo/9th, somesomething to Sun Gemini /6th square to Mercury Gemini/6th If I was looking to my past, I would say: I've fought marriage to which I did succumb And in mental conflicts… have I won? pluto/uranus/Jup Leo/8th, I’m great Vast Unknown delivering jolts not seconds too late Slate knocked clean, its more evolved fun. So more fundamental, now? One can only hope. Through my recent research oriented towards located the man for me… Cap sun/moon/mercury, though don't know the Juno just yet. It's very harmonious, emotionally. I've pre-determined I'll never get bored, and there's lots more to it. Betrayal has been ? more around (my) bruised ego and sense of loyalty, deep issues of freedom, and I've always had a difficult time in relationship with men that hated their jobs, or didn't have jobs/careers.

Mae 2006-02-05T20:09:09Z Paloma http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#0af8dc35-7941-44d3-a394-387f5b073e21 2006-02-05T19:54:45Z 2006-02-05T19:54:45Z

I have Juno in Pisces conjunct with Pallas and squared to my Sun in Gemini... So I am married to my ideals and my visionary purpose. They are in the 5th house so I seek to realize my highest ideals in my romantic relationships but I am also a warrior on that level (Pallas) which means I am willing to take many risks if my soul is really connecting with the other person's and of course the chance of betrayal is high and I have experienced that as well (but continue undeterred!). The square aspect with my Sun creates an oscillation between my freedom and independence (the belief that marriage is an outdated formula for love) and my tendency for being devoted to the point of absurdity (especially for those who see it from the outside and don't understand that this is a spiritual experience for me) I have learned to accept my devotion and harness it in being devoted to my Higher Self's wellbeing before giving it to someone who may not "deserve it" I keep a close watch on what I call their "earth walk" before I go there! I totally understand the Sufi ideal of seeing the Divine in the Beloved! And I am still looking but now I have at least connected with the ideal inside myself so the search is more realxrd than it used to be!

Paloma 2006-02-05T19:54:45Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#9d16a9ab-7c79-4a86-adc5-4f3bc5cfc3dd 2006-02-05T19:05:57Z 2006-02-05T19:05:57Z

That's interesting,my juno is in libra and in my 12th house.My ex husband was a scorpio sun with libra rising and 4 planets in libra...he fits the description perfectly,at least in public.Put up a nice front so to speak,but privately a control freak and manipulative...glad I'm out of there...I'm definitely one person who needs space and time to myself in order to feel balanced...he couldn't stand that convinced I was ignoring him...one of those couldn't be away from me for an hour types...drove me crazy.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-05T19:05:57Z Kim http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#daef11a5-0b0b-48f9-976c-8bc5e02978cf 2006-02-05T19:01:17Z 2006-02-05T19:01:17Z

According to Bob Marks (if you go with what he says. "Let's get things straight here before we go into the details about Juno in your horoscope. Venus and Mars show what we consider to be our ideal man or woman. The 5th house describes the type of people we tend to get involved with romantically. The 7th house tells us the kind of person our first marriage partner will be (and the 9th house describes our 2nd marriage partner, if any). Juno works on a more fundamental level." For me, my Natal Juno is in Capricorn in my 6th house. It tells me that I would be best suited with a partner who is my equal and would support me in my work goals and would maybe even work with me (service to others). I also have positive aspects to Mars and Jupiter. This indicates that I would be happy with a partner who is energetic, outgoing, and happy. Their support would have a positive effect on my successes in life. I looked to my 7th house for the type of person who was my first spouse. Aquarius is in my 7th. Aquarius type energies for me can tend to be a little guarded with their emotions and don't always express their feelings fully. They also tend to be more in tune and focused on people outside of their immediate family. I would say that was true for me. So, I should then look to my 9th house to see the type of person I would be attracted to should I re-marry. Aries rules my 9th house. Aries energies tend to be active and "out there". They are expressive and don't hold their feelings in. They can be a bit aggressive at times, but also can challange your mine. I like that. Also, my progressed Sun is in Aries now. So, maybe that would be a good thing. Prayoga... I think you have a very valid point with what you say. If I look at my placement (6th house Cap) I could say that maybe when I was younger I was attracted to types that felt that women had a role that dictated that they had to work and serve in order to deserve love and devotion. The thing I didn't see at the time is that to be really happy I need a balance and a give as well as take in my partners. I'm VERY independent, but my emotions can be pretty dependent at times and that is something I really hate. I guess if I'm honest with myself, I want a partner who is there and available when I want them to be, but knows when to let me have space, which I need. I'm not so sure I'm a very good partner person on a day-to-day level. I love to give and be "in love", but I really, really like my space and I have enjoyed being out of the marriage I was in where I felt trapped and unable to explore anything that I felt interested in. Not sure that person is out there for me....

Kim 2006-02-05T19:01:17Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#32f96154-588f-4563-b24f-77d0502ae5cd 2006-02-05T18:55:11Z 2006-02-05T18:55:11Z

Prayoga -- Love comes in many flavors. As universal as this thing called love can be, it is also defined and known differently for each of us. I think you are right about the Saturn connection here, though, as Juno represents (for my money) more of a contractual agreement about what conditions must be maintained if the internal marriage is to remain intact (and thus, the external one, as well). And as you probably already know, it takes more than just love to keep people together. Those relationships that rely solely on love to hold them together can end up wearing love ragged to the bone. A 12th House Juno (or in Pisces), for example, signifies a person married to their solitude. If this person attracts a mate who cannot allow that solitude, the internal marriage is threatened until the 12th House Juno person's need for solitude finds a place in that relationship structure. 11th House Juno (or in Aquarius) signifies someone who is married to their tribe, to their people, their friends. 10th House Juno (or in Cap) signifies someone who is married to their ambitions. 9th House Juno (or in Sagg) signifies someone who is married to their vision, their outlook on life, maybe to their religion. And so on...

sherpa 2006-02-05T18:55:11Z Prayoga http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#8067eeac-050b-4d18-9045-743dc788d91b 2006-02-05T18:26:50Z 2006-02-05T18:26:50Z

Hey Sherpa, I feel like the queer thinker in the block, and I think I like that. Where comes the divination for the new Juno come from? I'll explain the question. For me Juno is the wife of Jupiter, but Jupiter was always on the run shaging other women. Juno was at home and did her jelous deeds to keep the marriage to Jupiter safe. So I might think Juno is the force to keep the structure of relationships in tact. I see Juno as a sort female Saturn of relations. Nothing love, no passion, just keeping up appearances. Hyacinth Buket, if you know the sit-com from England. Juno distroying the girlfriends of Jupiter, Juno keeping the home clean, Juno making a nice apearance in public: "You see, Jup and I are fin...". I'd like to see your vision, but between Juno and Jupiter there cann't have been LOVE or Passion. I think Juno had been more happy and proud with Saturn, but that's not how it was. LOVE P.

Prayoga 2006-02-05T18:26:50Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c06769dc-27d0-490d-88bd-a860be5c1c06 2006-02-05T18:22:16Z 2006-02-05T18:22:16Z

i meant i will have none of a bad marriage for practical reasons. not ever again anyway... ;~) bring on the hot sex, the fucking secrets, the intensity. 'SHOW me watcha workin' with'...

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-05T18:22:16Z stevo diVino http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c08df6ed-f4a9-40a0-bd2d-41d58065ee1d 2006-02-05T18:06:54Z 2006-02-05T18:06:54Z

go D, settle only for the truth, whatever that may be. 3rd house Scorpio? Speak those secrets and demand the same of your partners . . . or, good luck trying :)

stevo diVino 2006-02-05T18:06:54Z stevo diVino http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#c3a3263a-1af4-4040-9614-6773633524e0 2006-02-05T18:02:46Z 2006-02-05T18:02:46Z

ooh!!! my Virgo super lover/partner's Juno sits exactly on my Saturn (in libra on my 12th house cusp) which exactly opposes my Jupiter. There are numerous other aspects as well as factors in our composite chart that indicate why I'm refusing to give up long term hope for this relationship, and this Juno placement definitely adds another confirmirmation to the depth of my feelings of commitment to what others might see as a finished relationship. take another deep breath, steve.

stevo diVino 2006-02-05T18:02:46Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#f3d416e8-0e81-4662-8f10-679f4e4866d9 2006-02-05T17:59:10Z 2006-02-05T17:59:10Z

Juno in Scorpio, 3rd house. Well, I guess I'll have to say that I'm married to the need for unimpeded communication. Then, the whole Scorpio thing, well: 'The need is for a partner who is intense (volcanic?), strong, and a bit secretive' (not that again...) 'They definitely must be good in bed' (blushes) Here's the rub: Juno conjunct Saturn in Scorpio: marriage will be delayed or denied altogether; functions like a 7th house Saturn. Will tend to stay in a bad marriage for practical reasons. I will have NONE of that, thank you very much...

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-05T17:59:10Z stevo diVino http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#75a7ec64-1d00-4bfb-898d-9e7e16c701de 2006-02-05T17:51:56Z 2006-02-05T17:51:56Z

Juno at 23d Capricorn in the 3rd house. I the need to work and complete tasks with partners . . . that I need earthbound partners to fulfill my own goals (no earth planets in my chart, only Juno and Chiron. I feel most betrayed by my partners' failures to communicate (I don't think that I'm lacking in that department w/ moon/venus conjunct ,also in my 3rd house, as well as Sun/Mercury combust in my 4th). It's usually any little communications failure by a partner that threatens my trust/security in any type of marriage. My oldest daughter and one of my most relevant ex-wives have their Suns at 23d Cap. My deepest partnership (and most hurtful sense of betrayal) involved a woman with Sun at 23d Virgo. And I've had several other significant partnerships with Capricorn Sun women (not conjunct my Juno by degree). So, thanks for guiding me to notice this factor, Sherpa. It really strikes a chord.

stevo diVino 2006-02-05T17:51:56Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#0de3aab5-ccb8-4662-9da3-f23e3d36cb71 2006-02-05T17:31:12Z 2006-02-05T17:31:12Z

ok.........so i was wrong.........i have juno in the ninth house.......in virgo and an exact square to neptune.....and a sextile to my moon....with this placement i like zane am married to travel, philosophy and higher learning........i need a partner with whom i can travel long distances and philosophize........the partner will tend to be born a long distance from me or could be a foreigner..........aspecting my moon: the attraction will be to emotional and nuturing partners, and domestic types.....juno aspects neptune: i cannot marry someone b/c i feel sorry for them or b/c i want to save them. if i do, i will never have a problem of getting into a marriage for the wrong reasons....this aspect is described as a 911"dial that and have them taken away so they can be helped by a professional. then go into therapy yourself to cure your masochism." this is good to know! Lastly, with juno in virgo i need a partner who is efficent, workks hard, and watches out for my health. "all right, so they may be a little critical at times (or at all times), especially if your juno has stress aspects." oh yeah! i had one or two partners that were critical! i even had a buddy in college who i'd travel with and they were critical too! now this was just a friend! in the meantime, i remember when i lived in boulder i was driving down the street and saw a lonely looking boy......he wasn't my type, but i rmbr thinking that i felt sorry for him and wanted to be with him to save him.........WELL I am glad I didn't........... : ) peace, breath

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-05T17:31:12Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#bb9fc905-21ad-4643-b913-f1510ae994fd 2006-02-05T17:15:14Z 2006-02-05T17:15:14Z

thanks zane..........great source of info.........

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-05T17:15:14Z SarahRose http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#abbef23d-0794-4309-9caa-54d58a74e880 2006-02-05T14:51:20Z 2006-02-05T14:51:20Z

12th house Juno in Taurus conjunct 1st house's cusp. My 7th house has Neptune in Sagittarius in it. I got married when I was only 17, that mariage ended in divorce a year and one child later. If I could find one word that could discribe my ex husband it would be Weak, he was and still is unemployed, he lived in his dreams, it always seemed hard for him to get out into the reel world, he never kept a job more than two months, he still doesn't clean his house. His parents supported us financially, they still support him. When I was 6 months pregnant and out of money his parents sent us 500$, he spent it on an electric guitar, he thinks he's an artist he always has, but he can't sing or play any instruments, but he tries. I still keep in contact with him ten years later, it's a constant reminder of everything I don't want in a mate. *Juno in Taurus: Solid, stable, and of course stubborn describes this partner* *Juno in the 12th House: Watch out for this one. There is an increased chance that the first marriage (or business) partner can do you in, or even be an enemy. More likely, it is you who are doing yourself in by getting attracted to the wrong person. This will be especially true if there are stressful aspects to Juno or to the ruler of the 7th house. It could also work out that the partner is really a nice person, but is restricted in some way and requires your constant help.*

SarahRose 2006-02-05T14:51:20Z Captain http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#149c756a-a05c-49da-bdbe-a12e99f3c84a 2006-02-05T14:09:30Z 2006-02-05T14:09:30Z

I have Juno at 27 Scorpio 27 R, sitting at my 9th house cusp 26 Scorpio 39. I guess you could say that I'm married to 9th house things.....books, learning, teaching, philosophy and religion, love of travel, love of foreign countries and ideas from other cultures. I met the women who later became my wife (now my ex-wife) in a bookstore...we were reaching for the same book at the same time. I was engaged to be married to another woman, and unfortunately that did not work out, but I met her at another 9th house area....when I was working at the financial aid office of a college. (Financial aid has ties to Scorpio, interestingly.) I only have two close aspects to this body. Saturn sextile, and the Sun quincunx it.

Captain 2006-02-05T14:09:30Z Captain http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#443d0e29-0d54-445a-99ea-a959c3f98ea2 2006-02-05T14:01:17Z 2006-02-05T14:01:17Z

Hi, Breath, One site that walks you through Juno by sign and house is www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Juno21.3.html This site will give you famous people with Juno in the same house as yourself, and another page on the site will give you similar listings by Juno's sign: http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/celebrites/junon_maisons.htm

Captain 2006-02-05T14:01:17Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#20421b01-d10c-4d3f-8398-1d98578d524c 2006-02-05T13:40:07Z 2006-02-05T13:40:07Z

unfortunately, i don't know how to interpret my juno b/c of lack of resources? are there any out there to interpret the sign and house placement of juno? i believe my juno is in the 8th house in the sign of virgo and making a square to neptune...........am i married to death, rebirth and transformation through an analytical approach? or am i just all off on this post? : ) peace! breath

$item.owner.firstName 2006-02-05T13:40:07Z Alt http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#9cc2c5de-99e1-46c9-950f-8522680ff8de 2006-02-05T12:14:52Z 2006-02-05T12:14:52Z

There is a theory that juno represents noncommited relationship. You can find a thesis with examples on this page. http://www.magiastrology.com/infidelity_sex/index.html

Alt 2006-02-05T12:14:52Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#5ec0e469-35ed-46fd-b9a3-74e50a42164d 2006-02-05T07:55:27Z 2006-02-05T07:55:27Z

TYPO and CORRECTION The following paragraph is rewritten for clarity: *I understand natal Juno as a way to examine compatibility between lovers, their differing betrayal issues that can sabotage the relationship and how that can be healed. In the natal chart Juno can be a strong indication of the Internal Marriage of what you are already married to, what conditions must be maintained for that marriage to continue and the kind of betrayal you feel when these conditions are violated. It also indicates how healing can occur after the conditions of the internal marriage are restored.*

sherpa 2006-02-05T07:55:27Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/d197adcc-141a-4e83-9d05-59a5c2f133d1#6dcedc7b-ba6f-4d6f-9383-6034641f8caa 2006-02-05T07:50:58Z 2006-02-05T07:50:58Z

Juno is one of four asteroids (amongst hundreds) now used by many Western astrologers to cover territory beyond what the planets represent. These four asteroids have been given names of goddesses and Juno, or Hera, was the wife of Zeus (or Jupiter). The goddess Juno was devoted to the cause of Marriage but she was also married to a powerful and philandering god who betrayed her often. Rather than punish her husband and destroy their marriage, Juno unleashed her revenge on the endless chain of Zeus' other women. Juno was a very powerful goddess. I understand astrological Juno as a way to examine compatibility between lovers and their differing betrayal differs. In the natal chart Juno can be a strong indication of the Internal Marriage of what you are already married to, what conditions must be maintained for that marriage to continue and the kind of betrayal you feel when these conditions are violated. Natal Juno also acts as a kind of template, or prototype, for the kind of external marriage (or long-term relationship) that we are capable of, given that the conditions of our internal marriage are met and not betrayed by the partner or the relationship structure itself. Each and every marriage has its own specific conditions for continuing over time. These conditions are signified by the sign and house placement of natal Juno. For example, if you have Juno in Taurus or the 2nd House, you are probably married to your values and material security. Successful marriage to someone else depends on finding a partner who acknowledges your values and your worth and with whom you can build a relationship that preserves the inner marriage to your worth. When your values are ignored or violated (by you and/or your lover), a sense of betrayal can detabilize the external marriage. Everybody's married to something. Some people are married to their families, others are married to their work, while some of us are married to ourselves. If you can find an Asteroid Ephemeris (there's one in the back of Demetra George's wonderful book, ASTEROID GODDESSES), look up Juno and see what you're married to. My Juno is in Aquarius conjunct North Node in 3rd House. I am married to my "calling" which is a life-long process of acting as a translator, or messenger, of spiritual experience (9th House South Node) into a language that people can understand. An example is what you are reading right now. I am married to my cause of communicating what I know to you. My feelings of betrayal in longterm relationships can rise when my real-life wife fails to realize how important communication really is to me. This betrayal is usually healed right after honest communication is restored.

sherpa 2006-02-05T07:50:58Z