JUNO: what are you married to ? where are your betrayal issues ?

TYPO and CORRECTION

The following paragraph is rewritten for clarity:

*I understand natal Juno as a way to examine compatibility between lovers, their differing betrayal issues that can sabotage the relationship and how that can be healed. In the natal chart Juno can be a strong indication of the Internal Marriage of what you are already married to, what conditions must be maintained for that marriage to continue and the kind of betrayal you feel when these conditions are violated. It also indicates how healing can occur after the conditions of the internal marriage are restored.*

There is a theory that juno represents noncommited relationship.
You can find a thesis with examples on this page.
www.magiastrology.com/infidel...dex.html

I have Juno at 27 Scorpio 27 R, sitting at my 9th house cusp 26 Scorpio 39.

I guess you could say that I'm married to 9th house things.....books, learning, teaching, philosophy and religion, love of travel, love of foreign countries and ideas from other cultures. I met the women who later became my wife (now my ex-wife) in a bookstore...we were reaching for the same book at the same time. I was engaged to be married to another woman, and unfortunately that did not work out, but I met her at another 9th house area....when I was working at the financial aid office of a college. (Financial aid has ties to Scorpio, interestingly.)

I only have two close aspects to this body. Saturn sextile, and the Sun quincunx it.

12th house Juno in Taurus conjunct 1st house's cusp.
My 7th house has Neptune in Sagittarius in it.

I got married when I was only 17, that mariage ended in divorce a year and one child later. If I could find one word that could discribe my ex husband it would be Weak, he was and still is unemployed, he lived in his dreams, it always seemed hard for him to get out into the reel world, he never kept a job more than two months, he still doesn't clean his house. His parents supported us financially, they still support him. When I was 6 months pregnant and out of money his parents sent us 500$, he spent it on an electric guitar, he thinks he's an artist he always has, but he can't sing or play any instruments, but he tries. I still keep in contact with him ten years later, it's a constant reminder of everything I don't want in a mate.

*Juno in Taurus: Solid, stable, and of course stubborn describes this partner*


*Juno in the 12th House: Watch out for this one. There is an increased chance that the first marriage (or business) partner can do you in, or even be an enemy. More likely, it is you who are doing yourself in by getting attracted to the wrong person. This will be especially true if there are stressful aspects to Juno or to the ruler of the 7th house. It could also work out that the partner is really a nice person, but is restricted in some way and requires your constant help.*

Hey Sherpa,
I feel like the queer thinker in the block, and I think I like that. Where comes the divination for the new Juno come from? I'll explain the question.

For me Juno is the wife of Jupiter, but Jupiter was always on the run shaging other women. Juno was at home and did her jelous deeds to keep the marriage to Jupiter safe. So I might think Juno is the force to keep the structure of relationships in tact. I see Juno as a sort female Saturn of relations. Nothing love, no passion, just keeping up appearances. Hyacinth Buket, if you know the sit-com from England.

Juno distroying the girlfriends of Jupiter, Juno keeping the home clean, Juno making a nice apearance in public: "You see, Jup and I are fin...".

I'd like to see your vision, but between Juno and Jupiter there cann't have been LOVE or Passion. I think Juno had been more happy and proud with Saturn, but that's not how it was.

LOVE
P.

Good to see this link, I have Demetra George's book too, it is fun, though I have no idea how to work with asteroids. What orbs should be given them, for example? I think I heard Zane once say less than one degree...

Mine is in Libra in the 11th, conjunct Pallas. I read that Pallas is supposed to make you argumentative, especially, I would imagine, in Libra. Well, I do not mind wangling, but am not so keen on those kind of arguments where it seems to be more about winnng than on who is really right, so probably feel betrayed where that seems to be the case. But I am not up on asteroids really.

I also have an Aquarius Juno in the 3rd - square venus.

What am I married to? Freedom, and to be honest - I was going to answer precisely what you answered before I read it, Sherpa.

Where are my betrayal issues? Repression, distraction, and a lack of personal freedom.

My juno is in capricorn in the 7th house. It´s trining my Sun and sextiles my jupiter(ruler of my 7th house).

I always feel married to my relationships, I´m high maintanance. I fight for balance, I take reltionships seriuosly, I´m very aware of power struggles also. For me relationships should are based on love, respect, communication, and equal responsabilities for both.

Besides my juno in the 7th I also have many planets in libra: mars, saturn and pluto. (all retrogades)

Juno in the 8th in Cancer (just barely, at 29 degrees nudging up next to Leo). That 8th house just keeps getting more and more crowded...

maenad

i have Juno in pisces just seconds into the 4th house and is part of what i'm gonna call a grand rectangle (though there is probably no such thing in astrology ;) ) comprised of juno pisces 4th opposite mc virgo, neptune(r) scorpio 12th opposite moon taurus 6th, juno sextile moon, mc sextile neptune(r), juno trine neptune(r), mc trine moon.

ok i'll take a try at this. i am married to my fantasies and dreams from the comfort of my home. my feelings of betrayal in longterm relationships can rise when my partner fails to realize how important those fantasies and dreams are inside and outside our relationship and does not honor them. when that happens i erect barriers between us basically sabotaging the relationship and causing it to end. on the upside, i've remained friends with lovers after that form of partnership ends. our friendships afterwards are much better than when we were in an intimate sexual relationship. this usually comes from my realization that my fantasies and dreams of us were unrealistic and then forgiving myself and my partner for all negativity that was caused by this. and i can definitely say that i have done what the website zane posted says not to do and gotten into a relationship with someone because i felt sorry for them and wanted to "save" them. and i only now just realized that from working on this so this is a major lesson i am learning. in the past i have contributed my relationship failures to my believing i don't deserve to be loved and wanted in this world (message given to me pre-birth when my parents attempted to abort me... thank goodness for me my mom couldn't complete the drug regimen) and now i also see how this may have affected them as well. deep gratitude and thanks sherpa for bringing this up.

below is my "worksheet" at how i came to the above with annotations along the way. enjoy!

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Juno in Pisces: This one may be satisfied with an imaginary partner! If they happen to be married to (or living with) a real person, then they can use imagination to eliminate the partner's shortcomings and add virtues to taste. Please be careful not to marry someone because you feel sorry for them or want to "save" them. (yep i've had imaginary partners and yes i have used imagination to eliminate my partner's shortcomings. too late to be careful, been there done that hopefully learned my lesson.)

Pisces

Pisces is a water sign and extremely receptive. Pisces may glimpse things that are invisible to most signs. It is sensitive to everything around it, and picks up energies and impressions easily. It might even experience these energies as part of itself.

This sensitivity can produce a strong imagination, and sometimes Pisces can withdraw into a world of fantasy and dreams. It is very likely to have a spiritual interest, but can be passive and lacking in self-assertion.

Pisces is no so much concerned with its own needs, and often interested in serving others. It feels a connection between itself and the world around it and is sensitive to the needs of others.

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Juno in the 4th House: This person can be married to their home. Juno in the 4th house can also indicate a need for a partner who is attached to the domestic environment. Another possibility is that you become more of a domestic type after marriage. (yes my tendency is to be more of a homebody though i have no resistance to going outside of the home if i want to do something in the world.)

4th House - Roots and Origins

This house describes our origins, our parental home and the circumstances influencing childhood and youth. It describes how we relate to "family", our attitudes towards "hearth and home".

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i include this here because juno is just seconds into the 4th house conjunct ic

Juno in the 3rd House: Communication will tend to be an especially important here, and marriage or partnership will tend to improve the communications ability of anyone with this placement, especially if there are harmonious aspects to Juno (sextile and trine). Stressful aspects on the other hand (square and opposition) could indicate that the marriage can reduce communications ability. (well communication has always been an issue for me as it is hard for me to communicate my inner feelings, thoughts, desires, etc in a way that is satisfactory. alot of times i can't think of the right way to say things, get frustrated, and say nothing.)

3rd House - Communication

The third house tells us about our siblings, the manner in which we communicate on an everyday level and the relationships which determine our daily life. It shows how we react to our immediate environment and learn from it.

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Juno Aspects the Moon: The attraction will be to emotional and nurturing partners, and domestic types. At least they will tend to be nurturing with the harmonious aspects conjunction, sextile and trine. The stressful aspects (square and opposition) can indicate a clash between your emotional and partnership needs. You could get a partner who is over-emotional or whines a lot. Conversely, the partner could bring out those traits in you. (juno is sextile moon here but i swear it could fit the stressful aspects description, maybe because juno is in pisces and living in that world of fantasy and dreams.)

Juno Aspects Neptune: If you have a stressful aspect (conjunction, square, or opposition) between Juno and Neptune, please, PLEASE do not marry someone because you feel sorry for them or because you want to "save" them. Remember this magic number. If you do, you will never again have the problem of getting into a marriage for the wrong reasons. Please memorize it. It's 911. Dial that and have them taken away so they can be helped by a professional. Then, get into therapy yourself to cure your masochism. (lol! i have done exactly this and i guess thankgoodness that juno is trine neptune!)

On the positive side especially with the harmonious aspects (sextile and trine) the partner will tend to be sensitive, empathetic, and imaginative. Marriage and partnership can also bring out these same traits in you. In all cases, there will be an inclination to over idealize the partner, to see what we want to see about them. (boy isn't that the truth especially with juno in pisces!)

Juno Aspects the Mid-Heaven: Aspects to the Mid-Heaven affect one's career and "public image." Juno-ruled careers include marriage councilor and people who work in organizations that try to prevent wife-battering and child abuse. Like Venus, Juno has an attraction for all occupations that involve beauty and adornment. This also includes anything involving the arts. When it comes to career, it doesn't matter if an aspect to the Mid-Heaven is harmonious or stressful. In fact, the stressful aspects can frequently bring greater success since they generate more power. Those with harmonious aspects may take it too easy and not push hard enough. (funny most of my career choices have been non-artistic, though i have always wished to be in a couple different kind of artistic professions but never pursued them because for some reason i've considered myself not worthy, but that's another matter.)




juno 12pis40'51" 4th
neptune 9sco35'17"r 12th
moon 14tau56'21" 6th
mc 12vir20'53"

juno:
opposite mc orb0
sextile moon orb2
trine neptune(r) orb1

neptune:
opposite moon orb5
sextile mc orb3
trine juno orb1

moon:
opposite neptune orb5
sextile juno orb2
trine mc orb3

mc:
opposite juno orb0
sextile neptune orb3
trine moon orb3

A lot of thought provoking stuff on this thread. I haven't seen so much interest in Juno in years. Great!

One thing caught my eye the was mentione en passant. The 9th house represents the 2nd spouse.
How valid has anyoe found that to be?

I ask for two reasons. First, I have Juno in my 9th, so there should be a much more direct connection with my Juno and a future spouse (If I everremarry) than there was with my first wife.

Second, my 9th house is much, much less stressful than my 7th. I have Saturn and Neptune in my 7th, and Saturn itself makes mostly difficult aspects. In fact, the only positive aspect Saturn makes at all is a quintile to my Moon. Neither one of these planets is great for a relationship....and they clearly define the first marriage partner (who was a Pisces wth sever Saturn issues.)

In my 9th house, I have my Moon, which is part of a grand trine with Venus and Jupiter, and the aforementioned quintile to Saturn. The only stressful aspect the Moon makes is a quincunx to Uranus...but hey, marriage is adjustments.

So I'm curious if people have seen the 9th house representing a second spouse.

..how about Juno in Cancer in the 8th @ 17*, conjunct the Vertex @ 13*? very wide opposition w/Part of Fortune @ 5* Capricorn in 2nd..the only aspects are Juno in angle to Jupiter & Juno square Pluto (@ 21* Libra, 11th)..
I don't know exactly how aspects affecting the Vertex would affect Juno being conjunct, but I have Vertex biquintile the moon, trine Mercury and in angle to Mars..


"Emotions rule the Juno in Cancer; if your partner fulfills you emotionally everything else will follow in line. If your partner is emotionally cold or too grasping you will feel quite on edge; Juno-Cancer's strong suit is not holding up under emotional pressure. If your partner meets your needs, however, you are extremely loving and nurturing in long-term relationships. You treat others with tenderness and care, making you much sought-after and adored. The past is very important to you; you remember anniversaries and touching occasions which you celebrate with loving remembrances. That same remembrance of the past is your downfall, however; you may remember past hurts too keenly and be reluctant to be vulnerable. Love requires that vulnerability and you'd be wise to remember the lessons you've learned from past hurts but to remember that it's important not to guard your emotions with an iron fist and to be a little less sensitive."

I have a Pisces sun w/Venus in the 5th so I'm guessing this placement makes me very emotionally intense in relationships, and relationships are extremely important to me...which is very true. I have yet to be involved with/find a guy that could handle or remotely reflect my extreme emotional needs within a relationship.. : (

oh, that’s great. JUST great. like I needed MORE confirmation of my severe attachment to the 6th house. damn.
["stop gloating, Mercury!"]

*huff* *puff*
(grump grump grump)
*pout*
*shudder*

Juno at 20 degrees 48’ Gemini. conjunct Mercury(retro) at 19 degrees 36’, Sun at 18 degrees 39’, and moon at 23 degrees 9’. all in Gemini. all in the 6th house. oh yeah, and speaking of the association with the Descendant/7th house cusp, that’s at 25 degrees 4’ Gemini.

boo hoo hoooo
I got them 6th house blues....

ok Sherpa - you have managed to stump me. I cannot feel attached to this Juno exercise for some reason.

I'll keep thinking about it. :)

Wow. I'm really at a loss for words with this one.

Juno 19d in Virgo, 10th house. Sextile Saturn in Scorpio, 12th house.

Really, I need a few days for this one to sink in.

What struck me immediately was the 10th house- being married to my ambitions and career. I've always been that way. I have a very real bond with the world of social standing and career.

And Virgo?. That was kind of a blow. It's a far cry from what I THINK I want, with Venus conj Uranus in Sag. I want fun and freedom. A light touch. But really the only real relationship I've been in has been with the same guy SINCE I WAS 12. Sure enough it's been VERY on and off (mostly off). But it's always there, looming in the shadows. The C word...COMMITMENT! noooooooooooooooo

I think it's a little early in the game to analyze this one. We'll see how it pans out.

Wow.

Thanks for going through planet, it's enlightening

My Juno is in Leo in the 4th house conjunct my retrograde mercury (in virgo) and trine my retrograde neptune in sag in the 8th house. whew! what the-!?

I've been pondering restlessly since somone brought up Juno on the "soulmates" thread.
I'm glad someone decided to take it further, because if they didn't I was truly leading up to it!

My Venus is cinjunct my S.O's Juno, and we certainly have issues brewing, such as confronting our own heartbreaks and heartaches of the past. These aches 'n' pains go back around 13 years for us both. No one but each other has been able to uncover the buried pain until now, which really says something. I guess we are playing "doctor and nurse" getting through each other's scar tissue to the original wound. Now we are both faced with a person (each other) who touches on that wound like no other has since the original wound was inflicted. It seems that we have some healing to do, and we both are realizing that we won't ever be able to accept true love again until we are healed.
Apparently our respective Juno's were both spited in the past. If Juno is what we need in a relationship, then our scar -tissue prevents us both from getting what we need now. Now that leads me to utter that other Juno-word: BETRAYAL. We were both betrayed in our youth, and now we can't open up again...but I have a funny feeling we both hold the key. There is no way I'd ever do anything which I thought could hurt this woman, and she is slowly managing to convince me that she is truly my friend and confidante, and not just a fire-breathing lover.

When I read the bit about Juno, I just snapped. I really never thought that asteroids were more than a little "extra color" in a birthchart. Now I am convinced that they may add incredible depth to us. I just ordered a book from Amazon.com about Juno for just $4.95. It's the only one there, really, so it shouldn't be a difficult search if you are interested.

I am totally on a crusade to discover the power and mystery behind Juno now. I am not only looking into my chart and hers, but into the charts of all the people I know and even a few I don't know to find pieces to the puzzle.

When I finally come back to this solar system, I'll let you all in on the data.

This is funny. Haha funny as well as peculiar funny.

Juno is in my 9th house in Aries. Funny.

Hey Sherpa,

Nice thread. So maybe you can help me out. I have Juno in Pisces in the 8th house. My moon is Scorpio and my sun is Capricorn....not that that matters. 5th house is Sag and 7th is aqaurius. Not sure what that all means...but everything I read about Pisces tells me I will be a doormat. In fact I have protected myself from relaionships - so well that I stay away from them.

I do tend though to have a very strong "radar" when it comes to dating. If my internal instincts do not like what I am doing or who I am contelplating dating it will give me physical and psychic hell until i obey (back pain, anxiety) etc. I can't seem to fool myself. I wonder if part of the reason in because my moon sign and my Juno are trine - my emotional needs are in tune with the type of person "I need". Therefore I cannot just fall for someone who doesn't meet my "needs"? Any thoughts you might have would be great.

BTW - I watch your threads here and there and I think you have alot of interesting stuf to say. Plus I think you are a Scorpio right? Love you guys......

Thanks .....lots to think about. And thanks for being so quick!

Hi Sherpa- This is really interesting to me. Perhaps you could shed some clarity on the contradictions I am weeding through in my placements.... I am not an astrological sharp shooter, and sometimes these relationships are like conjugating verbs in spanish.....

27 pisc 40' 53" in the 3rd house with the sun and mars, along with ceres, vesta, and pholu....

Sherpa:
Just so you know, I replied to your last entry regarding our "conversation", but it got inserted in an obscure spot...you might have to scroll up a few entries to find it.
-FJ-

Interesting thread. I am really late but thought I'd drop a dime.

My Juno is in Virgo in the first house. I am married to myself, my ideas, my desires, my profanity......me. I realized at a young age that being me was a lonely venture being so head strong. Still head strong but am better able to integrate other people, especially into my dreams. I like laughing at my own jokes, that nobody else gets. Some people think I am shy. Why bother with conversation when there is an eternal one going on in my head with me, about me and for me. I keep me rather entertained.

My betrayal points are a bit more complicated especially these days. I have started to see that I am a part of everything in my environment and everything is a part of me. Having children can do that for a person. So I would say that anything/anyone that threatens my environment or anyone in it has betrayed me. I am constantly advocating change, justice, and peace. I am a peace warrior. Love the world and love the thyself.

Day

Hi sherpa, love your posts. My Juno is also in Aquarius, 29' in the 6th house trine my saturn pluto conjuction in the first trine my MC and north node conjunction, and sextile Netune IC south node conjunction.
I guess Iam married to my own individual trip(in the universe), involving my health, and the health of the whole(the earth, universe and everything lol), the service I provide as an individual, this is supported by the strength I appear to have in my appearance, which is a transformative yet structured personality, who is aiming for a career, social position to do this and become who Iam destined to be, my past and roots, which have been quite dreamy and spiritual with a lot of karma within the family/ the earth, could help me attain this. Sounds kinda true. but a bit trippy.

Juno in Scorpio: The need is for a partner who is intense, strong, and
a bit secretive. They definitely must be good in bed.

Again, as with Vesta, this doesn't ring true for me. Intense and strong, yes. Secretive? Never. Good in bed is a plus, but personality and brains have priority for me.

Juno in the 4th House: This person can be married to their home. Juno in the 4th house can also indicate a need for a partner who is attached to the domestic environment. Another possibility is that you become more of a domestic type after marriage.

The only part that is probable is that I might become more "domestic" after marriage. I like to keep my "nest" pleasing and in order, but I love being social and I am on the go a lot.

Sherpa, I kind of feel that way with my Juno in Gemini conjunct N.Node-all in my 9th house as well.

Alt, I think the key word is "uncommitted". I have no doubt that theory may be true, but I think it is more representative of what, in most people's eyes, would be the dark side of Juno. If Juno deals with sexual fidelity then SEXUAL infidelity of course has to be related to Juno. Marriage, however, has historically not been defined by love or sex but money, protection, and ownership. Since that is true, Juno does really deal with commitment because even though many a marriages from the beginning of time have been wrought with sexual infidelity, lack of love, lack of sex, and even violence, most married couples choose to keep their contracts intact. Now to the opposite point, I think certain sexually intense relationships and/or love affairs have been a lot more committed, happy and long lasting than those based on money and protection and ownership, etc. And one can obviously see why. As Juno's position in the sky changes we are seeing societies and individuals re-defining their ideas of "commitment". I think I have some insight on this due to my Chiron conj. Juno aspect.

Hmm, I have Juno at 17 Capricorn in the 4th house sextile Mars in Pisces in the 6th. Not sure what this would mean though. I don't use the asteroids.

My Juno is 27* 10th house Capricorn. I'd like to see if I could get the forms together and have them signed to start a legal separation. Where would I file these? ~I'm kidding. I find this placement fitting and it makes sense. I just recently started to look at asteroids in my chart. Juno is ambitious and about work for me to say it plainly.
~Taryn

Natal Juno is in capricorn in 5th house. Maybe this is why work is simply not work when it comes to 'working' as a musician. hmmm..I'm losing this a little.
Capricorn in the house of fun feels a little strange here. well, Capricorn technically rules my 6th house.

transiting juno is now conjunct natal pluto within 1*...

i should go and clear my head for a bit..

I just recently started learning about Juno since I started playing around in my 8th house. I have Juno in the 8th in Aries, it trines my ascendant, and it sits conjunct in between with my Mars in Aries and my Mercury in Taurus, and squaring Jupiter. It feels like most things described by this Juno placement are readily present to me because of my mars/venus in aries in the 8th as well, so does this just mean I get a double whammy of that?

Juno in Aries: The partner will tend to be fiery, aggressive, assertive, and active. Grass doesn't grow under their feet.
Juno in the 8th House: You need a Sex Machine for a partner. Since the 8th house rules the partner's possessions, well, they may regard you as a possession (especially if there are stress aspects). Marriage and partnership can also help you to reconstruct or transform yourself (whether you want to or not).

My greatest transformations come during and after relationships, this I always just atributed to having my Venus in opposition to Pluto. While I don't necessarily feel I need a "sex machine" for a partner, I do need somone who can match my emotional and physical intensity.