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Retrograde planets in Birthchart

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I thought I would share this link which I found explaining the influence on the individual with planets in retrograde in their birthchart. I have Saturn, Jupiter, Pluto and Uranus all in retrograde which has concerned me for a while as I was told by an astrologer some years ago that retrograde planets are a bad thing to have in your chart

I did a bit of research on the net and found this site, I've always loved astrology but am fairly new to the technicalities, this link has helped put my mind at rest a bit....... from what I understand having a certain planet in retrograde means having to learn a "life lesson" of sorts? maybe it's not all doom and gloom after all?

SO if anyone else has anymore ideas or info on planets in retrograde I'd be interested to hear x

www.skyviewzone.com/astrolog...htm#satrx
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    Re: Retrograde planets in Birthchart

    Sun, January 24, 2010 - 10:16 AM
    Well....I have SIX planets in retrograde....so ur much better off :D..............6 planet retrogradation only happens to like 50 people in a course of 100 years apparantely. But, yes you are right, its about life's lesson, you may have some short comings, contradicting emotions and things like that and the point is to work through the whole thing. Its not really a bad thing, its more a tough thing,

    Retrograde means the planet at the time of your birth appears to be going in reverse. So basically the energy of those planets are reverse or internalized.

    Hope that helps.
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    Sun, January 24, 2010 - 11:09 AM
    Thanks for the link, Loretta. I didn't read everything, but I liked what I read.

    "I was told by an astrologer some years ago that retrograde planets are a bad thing to have in your chart."

    I admit the descriptions for natal planets going direct sounds better in some cases, but can't help but feel that there must be a good reason for having the natal retrograde...for some reason the person or the collective needs that retrograde energy. If we all thought the same, it would be so boring!

    Keep in mind that Neptune and Pluto are retrograde for close to half the year, which means that about half the population has a retrograde Neptune or Pluto.

    A retrograde planet can be a blessing. I have one. Instead of moving forward and closer to my ASC and square to my nodes by progression, due to its backward movement it's moving further away from my ASC and nodes, and that's just fine as far as I'm concerned.

    Another retrograde planet that I have has made some really nice aspects in my chart by progression due to its backward motion bringing opportunities that I wouldn't have had otherwise. This planet has gone direct by progression, so will go back over those same degrees again. It moves very slowly, so stays for several years at one degree. I like that.
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    Sun, January 24, 2010 - 4:47 PM
    I came across a really good book to understand retrograde planets. You can partially preview it by doing a google book search. The book is called "Retrograde Planets: Traversing the inner landscape" by Erin Sullivan. I was really struck when I first read this book because so much of what is said rang true to me. I have 6 natal retrogrades. I think the retrograde planet makes me live in my head a lot. They also make me feel really different from everybody else in terms of ideology, life goals, principles, etc. People who have no retrogrades in their chart are usually very ambitious, and they can just go for it. Having retrograde makes it harder to just go for something as one has so much internal conflict. Especially, having mars and saturn in retrograde can be really hard.
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      Re: Retrograde planets in Birthchart

      Mon, January 25, 2010 - 1:07 AM
      Farhana said:

      "I have 6 natal retrogrades. I think the retrograde planet makes me live in my head a lot. They also make me feel really different from everybody else in terms of ideology, life goals, principles, etc. People who have no retrogrades in their chart are usually very ambitious, and they can just go for it. Having retrograde makes it harder to just go for something as one has so much internal conflict. Especially, having mars and saturn in retrograde can be really hard."

      Ditto!! i also have six natal planets in retrograde including mars and saturn and everything you mentioned above is absolutely true!! :(

      Gota fight the fight :D
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    Re: Retrograde planets in Birthchart

    Sun, January 24, 2010 - 7:35 PM
    "I have Saturn, Jupiter, Pluto and Uranus all in retrograde which has concerned me for a while as I was told by an astrologer some years ago that retrograde planets are a bad thing to have in your chart"



    That astrologer didn't know what the hell they were talking about. They're probably from the same school of thought that thinks a full 12th or 8th house in a natal means the chart owner is doomed to a horrible life, or that planets conjunct Algol means the person will be decapitated....nonsense.

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      Re: Retrograde planets in Birthchart

      Mon, January 25, 2010 - 12:30 AM
      Book,

      like always, the whole chart should be taken into consideration...

      but i have algol loosely conjunct the ascendant and opposition mars..
      and escaped 3 decapitations untill now.. the first one being the chord around my neck at birth
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        Mon, January 25, 2010 - 1:00 AM
        "Book,

        like always, the whole chart should be taken into consideration...

        but i have algol loosely conjunct the ascendant and opposition mars..
        and escaped 3 decapitations untill now.. the first one being the chord around my neck at birth"


        Technically, that is actually more along the lines of strangulation, and obviously has to do with the neck, which isn't the same thing as a decapitation, or the loss of the head.


        Yes, the entire chart should be taken into consideration. Having said that, I'm talking specifically about the really damning, morbid predictions that were handed down in astrology in the past - no one should ever have to experience going in to get their chart read and hearing something like that.
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      Re: Retrograde planets in Birthchart

      Mon, January 25, 2010 - 1:54 AM
      Hi Book,

      Thankyou for all your info on this,

      It was said to me back when birthcharts weren't freely available on the net - you still had to pay and if i remember it was pretty expensive!! This was back in the late 80's at a point where I was young(er) and impressionable. She fancied herself as an astrologer, but I realise now and particularly after reading all the information that everybody on this thread is providing - that she was probably more of an amateur. But I've always remembered the quote about the "bad" parts of my chart, she actually said to my mother not to expect her daughter to have an easy time of it......and you're right Book, noone should have to hear that.

      I have used astro.com for alternative readings of my chart and along with the retrogrades I also have some challenging Saturn aspects (Mars opposition Saturn, Saturn square Neptune) I suppose it's all about learning how to deal with these placements.

      "probably from the same school of thought that thinks a full 12th or 8th house in a natal means the chart owner is doomed to a horrible life",

      Just for the record I have a stellium of planets in the 8th house! ;-D
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        Mon, January 25, 2010 - 2:25 AM
        Loretta

        I've had similar experiences. An astrologer looked at my chart when I was in my late teens and spent the whole time talking about what I was 'probably like' in previous lives. I was tortured, the vitcim of an abuse of power, abused power myself etc etc. Then someone else said the same thing when they took (and ignored all other parts of my chart) the retrogrades of Saturn and pluto in scorpio.

        I find this kind of approach very negative and really tells me nothing of constructive value whatsoever. Like you I have a few 8H planets which is fertile feeding ground for the doom-mongerers out there. If you're not abusing power, you're a sex fiend. If you're not a sex fiend and you're not abusing power, then you're going to be surrounded by death. Of course in reality the 8H talks more, natally, about going beneath the surface appearances, finding power from deep within and relates to deep emotional experience and intimacy. Not once was anything positive said about my chart by either of those people who looked at my chart. My rule of thumb is to ignore such people altogether.
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          Mon, January 25, 2010 - 10:07 AM
          "Not once was anything positive said about my chart by either of those people who looked at my chart. My rule of thumb is to ignore such people altogether."

          i completely agree.....it's so easy though to only hear the negative points and then just get fixated on them. Then there are people like yours and my "astrologers" that love to feed into that drama - be the bearer of bad news so to speak. I've known clairvoyants who do the same, some wont divuldge anything negative, others will sit and spill total doom!!!

          I have to admit I'm one of those who will fixate more on the darker side.......as I mentioned before theres some really difficult aspects in my chart which to be honest makes for painful reading. However my minds clearer about the influence of retrograde planets, I'm glad I posted this topic it's been a real eye-opener x


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            Mon, January 25, 2010 - 11:12 AM
            I had originally thought I had perhaps only heard the bad stuff I wanted to hear, but luckily the session was recorded and I listened back and made a point to note down anything positive he said. Every positive thing was merely an introduction to how it was really actually negative. I'm all about hearing the negative, but no chart is TOTALLY negative and there is litlte point in highlighting all these negative things without also suggesting ways it can be dealt with constructively.
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    Mon, January 25, 2010 - 8:47 AM
    According Martin Schulman a retrograd planet is 'backtracking' into another timezone. The planet in question is reevaluating passed experiences in such a way that the sphere of experience ruled by it is internalized and does not seem to work in accord with the rest of the chart. Like inconjunct planets, planets in debility and fall or intercepted signs, the energy represented by the planet cannot express itself naturally, so seeks to go beyond the resistance to express itself on a higher level. Something which is far from easy, but will no doubt built character.

    Although this article is about realtime retrogrades, it's a very lucid explanation of the process:


    Astrology Class - How A Retrograde Planet is Different and the Same as When It's Direct - Pt.1

    by Robert Wilkinson

    This was inspired by comments asking about what it means when planets are retrograde as opposed to when they are direct. There are some strange rumors out there about how often some planets are retrograde, and even how "bad" retrograde planets supposedly are. There seems to be a lot of confusion about retrograde planets, so today and tomorrow we take a brief look at the phenomenon.

    All the planets go retrograde except the Sun and Moon, and even these go faster or slower at various points in their transits. Mercury goes retrograde three times a year (except when it's four!), Venus every 19 months, and Mars once every 25 months. Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto all go retrograde once a year for several months at a time.

    Any time a planet is retrograde it is still moving forward, but at a much slower rate of perceived speed from the Earth's point of view. Thus a retrograde planet only appears to be moving backward relative to the zodiacal backdrop, and when we and it are again at a certain positioning relative to the Sun, it again appears to move forward through the sign it's in.

    So all retrogrades are a perception based in planetary orbital speed relative to the Sun. Consulting an ephemeris, aka a book of planetary motions, we find the outer invisible planets all go retrograde about the time of the Sun's waxing (lower) square to their positions, and stay retrograde for several months until they go stationary direct just before the waning (upper) square. There are philosophical implications to the outers being retrograde when they are at certain phases in their orbits relative to the Sun, but that's beyond the scope of this article.

    When a planet is direct, it means we are "directly" experiencing its natural evolving awareness of the sign it's in. When retrograde, we're re-tracing ground we've already covered, but from a different perspective. It's like driving down a street from one direction, then driving back down the same street in the opposite direction. Two perspectives on the same field of vision.

    However, a retrograde period never goes back as far as the last period, or we'd be stuck going back and forth over the same material indefinitely. This gap in how far we went forward to how far we're going back changes based in which planet is retrograde.

    The inner planets swing back across far more degrees than the outers. Mercury retrogrades back about 15 degrees (except when near Gemini, when the swing is only 9). Venus fairly consistently retrogrades back about 16 degrees, and Mars goes back 18-20 degrees.

    The outers are a different matter. Jupiter retrogrades about 10 degrees every year, while Saturn appears to go back 7 degrees. Uranus retrogrades back 4 degrees, Neptune goes back 3 degrees, and Pluto goes back 3-4 degrees.

    After the retrograde period, Jupiter races forward about 45-48 degrees before going retrograde again. Saturn moves forward about 20 degrees before again slowing. Uranus moves 8 degrees forward, Neptune moves 5 degrees, and Pluto moves 5 or 6 degrees before going retrograde again.

    So you can see that in any given year period, Jupiter gains 35-38 degrees of experience before taking its look back. Saturn gains 13 degrees of experience, while Uranus gains 4, Neptune gains 2, and Pluto gains 2. This means the parts of our lives and internal makeup symbolized by the outer invisible planets spans much less experience each year than the functions symbolized by the visible.

    Thus we cover less ground in the spiritual realm, but also are more familiar with it when we master its lessons than the brief glimpses of the inner planet experiences as they race around the zodiac relative to the Spiritual planets. And, since the outers do go back so far relative to where they originally advanced, we often find ourselves revisiting familiar points of experience over several years.

    It is far different with the inner planet periods, which never revisit the same points within any time frame we can take advantage of. For example, the last time Jupiter went RX at 23 Capricorn and direct at 13 Capricorn was in 1925, and the only times Jupiter stimulates 23 Capricorn as its direct station are 1949 and 2032.

    This area of identical stationary degrees every 83 years is probably a subject for extensive study. I looked briefly, and it seems that for Jupiter, 1913 has the same stationary degrees as 1996, 1925 as 2008, 1937 as 2020, and 1949 as 2032. So we could infer that certain stationary points condition those effects not just for 12 years to come, but for the next 7 Jupiter cycles.

    Tomorrow we'll examine some interpretative possibilities of how to look at retrograde and direct planets.

    Astrology Class - Retrogrades and How They Function Differently Than Direct Planets - Pt.2

    by Robert Wilkinson

    As I noted yesterday, this series was inspired by several comments asking about the difference in effect when Jupiter and the other outer planets are retrograde than when these planets are direct. Another concern was the difference when Jupiter is retrograde at 19 degrees of a sign as opposed to when it is in forward motion at the same degree.

    When any planet moves through a span of degrees in a sign, it is encountering that field of experience for the first time. When it moves back via retrograde through the same span, we are given a different look at the same material.

    As I noted yesterday,

    When a planet is direct, it means we are "directly" experiencing its natural evolving awareness of the sign it's in. When retrograde, we're re-tracing ground we've already covered, but from a different perspective. It's like driving down a street from one direction, then driving back down the same street in the opposite direction. Two perspectives on the same field of vision.

    So Jupiter direct making an aspect offers you an initial Jupiterian connection to whatever is being experienced. The sign shows the field of experience, while the aspect shows the quality of the experience within that field. When retrograde, we are still in the same field of experience we just went through, but are given a different perspective.

    Here it's important to note that during a retrograde period, that planet seems to symbolize or be a conduit for unconscious factors of that planetary function to appear. It could also show manifestations from previously unknown or unperceived external sources, or even returns from other times in this life or previous ones where these energies were activated.

    So the first pass is the first experience. The RX pass brings up factors not seen previously, or even feedback from the results set into motion at the first pass. It's often as though a second light is turned on during the RX period so we can dispel some shadows created by the narrow view of the first pass.

    The next stage in our example of the process is when Jupiter again resumes direct motion after its retrograde period, when we traverse the same field a third time, but with multiple experiences of that field. This third pass is a synthesizing period when we are able to put a triangulated understanding into play if we have comprehended the lessons of the field. Perfect three point lighting dispels the shadows of any illumed object.

    So for example, if Jupiter trined a planet or Ascendant before it went RX, it offered an initial understanding or stabilizing opportunity or protection. When RX and again trine the same planet or Ascendant, it offers a new point of view on the understanding you got when it was in direct trine, or you encounter the first results of the initial trine. The RX trine could involve understanding unconscious factors, or external factors not glimpsed when direct.

    Then we synthesize the two approaches during the third trine, incorporating multiple understandings into an even greater understanding or harmonization. We then move beyond the old span of experience examined three times into new territory.

    The retrograde periods are very valuable for seeing our function within a larger perspective since they introduce previously unknown factors to the experience. Any time we slow down, turn inward, and reflect on experience, we are led to a place beyond duality even if we feel immersed in the dualism. It is during the third phase that we can practice a synthesized approach to the two perspectives.

    The possible interpretations of the various planets making direct and retrograde aspects are endless. Therefore I can't really offer individual interpretations via the comment stream, since I don't know your individual life and experience.

    If you have questions, please examine your chart in light of what has been proposed here, and meditate on examples of how this has operated in your own past. You'll eventually see the light of your previous experiences from a vaster point of view. I've given you how it works, but you must derive meaning from your individual process.

    from: www.aquariuspapers.com/astrol...ss.html

    And of course Martin Schulman's invaluable book: www.amazon.com/Karmic-Ast.../ref=sr_1_6

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