They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

topic posted Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:24 AM by  God Star * ☼ॐ
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I wanted to fill up this thread with information on and about the history and origins of modern day Christianity, this is not an attack on someones belief, religion, or faith - i believe our spiritual walk is a personal one and to each its own (and this could all be wrong) - but part of my life work is to bring the out what i have found and hold it up to the light for truth, which i believe religion has caused more harm than good, and much confusion of fear and damnation, perhaps its help shape our morals, values, and yes even our judgments but is it out dated? - this is for all man, women, and children, and it's time for the truth to be told

and i understand that this thread is not for everyone, and yes, it has to do with Astrology - the 12 disciples are actually the 12 signs of the Zodiac and so many other biblical references, i wanted to post it for the topic at hand between me and Sirius, and if he and others would like to discuss perhaps we can start another thread without all the posted articles of truth.

I thought long and hard about this ...who am i to destroy a mans dreams and his faith ...i mean is this something i really want to do
and why - is it to get back at him for trying to discredit my post on Kemet? is it Ego of "hey everybody look at me I'm right and you're wrong" Or is it just that i want to share to all the labors of my love and what i have learned and found and intuit of that's been hidden for so long.

why not just leave it alone? Why not just send him love?

you know what, perhaps I should .... or rather I shouldn't post this thread at all
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  • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

    Thu, May 15, 2008 - 7:55 AM

    The Twelve Tribes of Israel never existed.

    Christianity is a religious hodgepodge put together by the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. It was an endeavor to amalgamate the many religions of the Roman Empire into one. Christianity plagiarizes older myths and legends historicized to suit the Roman Catholic Church while combining the numerous religions that existed at the time (Krishna, Horus, Mithraism, Osirian, Isis, and other many mystery religions).

    The First Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church was held in 325 on the occasion of the heresy of Arius. As early as 320 or 321 St. Alexander, Bishop of Alexandria, convoked a council at Alexandria. More than one hundred bishops from Egypt and Libya attended. The purpose of the Council was to unify the competing cults under the "Catholic" Church controlled by Constantine and Rome. The gods of the other cults were subjugated under the new god and their titles were changed to "apostles" and "saints." Constantine was sole master of the Roman Empire (Constantine The Great 274-337).

    It was the so called pagans (who today are so adamantly against Christianity) which is their own perverted interpretation of Ancient Egyptian myths The Pagan Christ is forthright in declaring that counter to precedent, Christianity launched a hostile takeover of the ancient salvation myths. Many early church fathers, in an attempt to declare exclusive rights to this mythological Jesus, made him an historical biblical person.

    -Dog Star

    Once these ancient antecedents to Jesus were assimilated into what became Christianity, the pagans and their mythological sources (kmt) were declared heretical. Since heretics and their books were determined to have no rights, they and their writings were viciously tracked down and eliminated by those who claimed to stand for the newly defined "orthodox" Christianity.

    The people who you are calling “The Christians” are actually the evil witches and priest of the Pagans dressed up in robes of Rome into a biblical God and all the eivl of a Devil and as for your so called “solar phallic god” there are none except the ones that pagans put there

    Christian Pagan ignore.ance

    www.theosophical.ca/CreationSixDays.htm

    Besotted in ignorance of ancient Kemetic philosophy and Scriptural symbolism already in the third century, ignorant religionists laid the monstrous hand of literal and historical gross-ness upon the precious volumes of cryptic literature and befouled all the meaning into senseless caricature.

    It mistook allegory for history, dramatism for actual occurrence, myth for supposed veridical narrative. Ancient Pagan philosophers like Plutarch and Plotinus, Philo and Proclus, and even a few early Church Fathers like Clement of Alexandria and Origen, stood helplessly by and saw the horrendous despoliation and mutilation of the books of the great Mysteries of the Science of the Soul, as triumphant ignorance travestied them into weird and unintelligible "history".

    And in the wake of this great cultural catastrophe, and hard on the heels of the havoc and wreckage of the luminous esoteric spiritual systems of the Sages like Pythagoras and Plato, Orpheus and Hermes, there came crashing the inevitable debacle of spiritual culture, clinching its victory with, the closing of the Platonic Academies and the burning of priceless libraries. And over Europe descended the dismal murks of the Dark Ages.

    Unintelligent religious fanaticism crushed out not only the springs of possible science, but fatally submerged for eighteen centuries the potential enlightenment that lay cryptically concealed under the surface literalism of the Sacred Scriptures, and that needed only the keys to its esoteric secrets to unlock its treasures of golden truth.
    • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

      Thu, May 15, 2008 - 7:59 AM


      ALL Abrahamic Religions were set up for Imperialism ...they're all false flawed and perverted kemetic allegory

      Astrology

      The Bible is full of astrological symbolism. Jerusalem had twelve gates, which corresponded to the Twelve Tribes of Israel, which in turn corresponded to the twelve astrological Signs. Some evidence of this is found in the words of the dying Jacob to his sons, in Genesis 49, where he likens each of his children to a zodiac sign in his definition of the future of the twelve tribes,

      e.g. Taurus=Issachar, Gemini=Simeon/Levi, Cancer=Benjamin, Libra=Asher, Virgo/Scorpio=Dan, Sagittarius=Joseph, Capricorn=Naphtali, Aquarius=Reuben, Pisces=Zabulon. To associate Virgo separately from Scorpio, mystics have linked the sign of Virgo to Dina, the only daughter of Jacob. (The Twelve Disciples of Jesus may also be represented by the qualities of the 12 Signs.)

      In one of the prophetic dreams of Joseph, Jacob's eleventh son Joseph saw eleven other "stars" bowing down to a twelfth, which was his "star".

      Judah was a son of Jacob, and Judah's decendants formed one of the Twelve Tribes. "The Lion of Judah", for example, is a reference to the Sign of Leo, the Lion, which was associated with the tribe of Judah.

      A coincidence? I think not...

      The Sun : A little difficult to ignore, don't you think. If the sun, which is the source of all life fails to come up the next morning the ancient people would not have lived long and they knew this. The Sun invigorates you with it's energy and causes the crops to grow.

      The Sun gives up it's life force to provide us with warmth and food and many other things. So it could be said that the Sun of God gives it's life up for US and it is the TRUE SAVIOR for it has risen-"Risen Savior"

      When the ancient people would track the Sun on the "Sun dial", as it still does today, the Sun traveles South until the Winter Solstice when it cold and harsh, representing death and the Sun would stop "ON THE SUN DIAL FOR THREE DAYS and on December 25th, the Sun would be said "To be BORN AGAIN" on the CROSS OF THE ZODIAC" after having died for three days.
      This is when the Sun begins it's annual journey back to the Northern Hemisphere. (resurrection)

      The Ancient calender also started at a different time. It began in Virgo and ended in leo, that is why the Sphynx has the head of a Virgin and the Body of a Lion. When the Sun of God was re-born, it was in the Constellation of Virgo, so it was said "Born of a Virgin". The Sun is the "Eye of God" or "Eye of Horus". Ra was the Sun God in Egypt. His full name was Amen Ra. That is why we say "A-men" after our prayers.

      The Egyptians knew this and all of the Egyptian beliefs and
      customs are built into our society secretly by the Freemasons.

      Both symbols below are the Sun.

      aaaaaaaa

      The Origin of the Trinity, the father, the sun, and the holy spirit. Horus comes up at the "Hor-izon". He is born, this is the beginning, 12:00 he is the "Most High", and then the Sun "Sets", hence "Set" or "Satan", the prince of darkness does battle with the light of the world and wins, until the Sun is re-born the next day.

      This is a representation of the evolution of life.

      This is also symbolized in other religions going very far back. In India, there is Brahma, the Father, Vishnu, the Son, and Shiva.

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      Israel (Is-Ra-El) Isis (Moon) Ra (Sun) El (Saturn)

      Originally, there were 3 basic religions of astrology. The Lunar Cult (Moon), the
      Solar Cult (Sun) and the Stellar Cult (Saturn). The original Hebrew religion was
      based on the Lunar Cult and the moon, but went back to the Stellar cult and the
      worship of El (Saturn). The Christians were bringing back elements of the Solar
      Cult of the Sun. That is why there is the ongoing dispute about the correct day of
      worship. The Hebrews worship on Saturday (Saturn) and the Christians worship
      on Sunday (Sun). It is very simple if you understand what the priesthood is hiding.
      If most people knew this they would never give their life savings to the church.

      Saturn is also the origin of "Satan" as well as "Santa" and his elves. (El-ves).
      The word Satan is the same as Santa, with the letters reversed. God's "Ang-els".
      The word H-ell comes from El. Saturn though, was in the heavens and the word
      El means to rise up. (El-evate) To El-ect someone is to put them into a "God" or a
      higher position. When you get married, you put a ring on. The ring represents the
      ring around Saturn. This is also the reason for the Round Crowns worn by the
      Kings. This is also the source of the Yammakah, the is worn by the Hebrews.
      Saturn in Greek is Kronos, or Chaos. Saturday comes at the end of the week and
      is associated with Chaos. Quite possibly, there was a time when Saturn came very
      close to the Earth, close enough to cause major disturbances. This is documented
      in an interesting video titled "Remembering the End of the World".
      • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

        Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:11 AM

        Pagan Christianity

        www.theosophical.ca/GnosticC...anity.htm

        The transformations of the Pagan cult into the Christian, and of the Gnostic into the historical representation, were effected behind the veil identifiable as the "Discipline of the Secret," the strictness of which was only relaxed after the fourth century, when the Truth had been hidden in a fog of falsehood; the inner mysteries turned to an outer mist, that made confusion cunningly complete.

        The Gnostic Spiritualism was declared illegal and impious. The objective realities of the phenomenal Spiritualists, which had heretofore furnished the one bit of foothold in natural fact for a belief in the future life, were now discarded on behalf of the more subjective idealities derived from a faith that was founded by means of a fraudulent history mis-translated from a mystical fable.

        The Gnostic doctrines of the pre-Historic religion were formulated as being those of knowledge, faith, and immortality. Knowledge was fundamental. On this their faith was founded by means of a first-hand acquaintanceship with those facts which gave them their faith for the present, and sustained it with something more than the hope or promise of continuity for the future. Knowledge, Faith, and Immortality!

        Historic Christianity was based upon faith without that knowledge (Gnosis)

        The Christ of the Gnostics was a mystical type continued from mythology to portray a spiritual reality of the interior life. Hence the Christ in this human phase could be female as well as male; Sophia as well as Jesus; the spirit of both sexes. It was impossible for such to become historical, or be made so, except by ignorantly mistaking a mythical Impersonation for a Hermaphrodite in Person!

        What, for example, is the actual base of the "Great Renunciation" ascribed to the Buddha or the Christ in the doctrinal, mythical, or spiritual phase? It is this:--When the soul of man came to be considered as a divine principle of celestial origin, it was figured as being entirely opposed to the evil nature of matter; therefore, birth or manifestation in matter was a descent of the soul from the heaven of pristine condition into a lower state of impurity and impermanence; of disease, decay, and death, where it was bound to bear or struggle to get out of it again as soon as possible.

        This soul, personified as the Divine Man in Buddha or the Christ is afterwards represented as being consciously able to renounce the pleasures of Paradise, and of its own free will and choice come down to earth as the Saviour of the World, by giving lessons in divinity and living a life so lowly that this life should be conquered by rejecting it on behalf of the other thus revealed to men! The mode of glorifying such a being is simply that of the infantile mind.

        The proof of his supernatural character is shown through his power of suspending the known laws of nature by miraculous means, such as are humanly impossible. As the Lord of Life he raises the dead! The tree bends down and bows its acknowledgment to him in the womb of his mother; or the wild beasts grow tame in presence of the radiant child that lights the darkness of the cave when born. As a mere babe he becomes a teacher to the teachers.

        The Gnostic Christ was the real founder of Christianity!

        This was the Christ of the first Christians, and this was their model man, the Ideal meek and lowly one, which the writers of the Gospels have sought to realise in the form of historic personality.

        This lunar, solar, mystical, or spiritual type could not be made historical in the creed of those who knew, i.e., the Gnostics. But it was humanized; it was turned into a one person, who became the one Christ in this world, and the one spirit of all others, for those who did not know. For the earliest appeal of the new faith was made to men who were so ignorant, according to the record, that when they had just witnessed a rising from the dead of certain historic characters, they did not comprehend what this rising again from the dead should mean!

        Historic Christianity abolished the Gnostic spiritualism for all who accepted the false belief! Henceforth there was but one spirit, that of the historic Bringer of Immortality to Light; and, if any apparition appeared to the abnormal or normal vision, it would be the historic Christ for ever after!
    • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

      Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:05 AM
      "who am i to destroy a mans dreams and his faith"

      1 Kings 20:11 And the king of Israel answered and said, Tell him, Let not him that girdeth on his harness boast himself as he that putteth it off.

      Job 13:5 O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be your wisdom.

      Do you really want to go there before I systematically tear apart your false reasonings and disinformation? Or would you rather I start with the gnostic beleif that matter is evil?

      My little fluffy bunny rabbit would beg to differ

      Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very GOOD. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.








      • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

        Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:11 AM
        Here is your silly line of reasoning. (See, I can copy and paste to and be bombastic as you)

        t is hard for me even now to believe that throughout all my previous training in and inquiry into the spiritual and religious dimensions of life I could have missed something so important: Maple Leaf NHL broadcasts are actually allegories of the great struggle of the spirit in each of us to realize our own divinity. Indeed, the latest scholarship establishes beyond a doubt that the single vast theme of all NHL broadcasts is the incarnation of the divine in the human. Originally this ancient wisdom was immersed in the symbolism of myth to protect it from profanation by the vulgar or the malicious, but when it was taken over by certain fundamentalist elements in the media, they imposed a literalist interpretation to this sublime truth, and as it was transformed for popular consumption it lost its spiritual significance - its very soul. I consider it my sacred duty to educate the ignorant masses and recover this lost light, which is vital if we are to evolve to a higher level of spiritual consciousness.

        We have been led to believe that the rituals and symbols of the Maple Leaf game are unique, but how surprised regular viewers of NHL broadcasts will be to learn that all of these, everything - from the national anthems to the final sips from the cup - already existed in ancient Egyptian sources!

        Consider the playing surface itself: the red dots on the ice are actually ancient symbols of the sun god. All ancient religion began as astronomical and astrological in nature, and the sun, the giver of life, always figured prominently. So it is not surprising to find so many references to the sun god in a hockey rink. The ice, (frozen) water, is the ancient symbol for matter. Water (matter) gives birth to spirit with the aid of the sun. While the five circles ("rings") on the ice surface represent the five planets - the original five planets of the ancient mystery religions - we should note that five is also the number of the cross; stand with arms outstretched and the body comprises 5 parts (2 arms, 2 legs and body and head) to form a cross. The cross of course, with its vertical beam representing the divine spirit intersecting the horizontal beam representing the material, is the symbol of God incarnate. It is this cross motif we see repeated in the four zonal faceoff circles, framing each red dot. All of this points to Horus, the Egyptian man-god who was both God incarnate and sun god. The ice surface awakens our awareness of the great mystery - of matter becoming spirit - with its many symbols of Horus, as it was originally intended to. The nets, those ancient symbols of the fisherman, also symbolize Horus who is often depicted as a fisherman in Egyptian manuscripts.

        The similarity between the symbols and mythical beings we encounter in Maple Leaf hockey and that which we find in ancient Egyptian religion is astounding, leaving no doubt as to their meaning or origin. Consider the team jersey: the leaf is a symbol rich in meaning in ancient middle-eastern religion, but perhaps it is its unexpected color that is most significant. Why blue? Blue, the color that Kandinsky said draws the individual towards the infinite and awakens a yearning for purity, was the color that ancient Egyptian tombs were painted; blue was thought to be the color that separated mankind from the Beyond. It is most interesting that this blue and white color combination, which re-occurs in the jersey, frequently appears in ancient religion in the struggle between Heaven and Earth, the latter represented by red and green. So we see hockey as symbolizing this struggle, the struggle taking place in all of us for the divine spark to rise above our material body. Note that Don Cherry's dog is called "Blue" although he is in fact white. Literalists who see the jersey and dog as having a material existence in space and time are unable to offer a reasonable explanation as to why the leaf is blue when it ought to be green, and why a dog that is white is called "Blue". It is only when we interpret these things correctly, as symbol and mythical being pointing to a cosmic truth, the divine struggle in all of us, that they make any sense at all.

        Another interesting point concerns the "C" on the jersey of the team leader. Originally this was a "K", as we see on the more traditional European team jerseys, but it has been altered by an international conspiracy of broadcasters that continues even today to repress the true meaning of hockey. The "K" comes from the ancient Egyptian word "KRST" found on Egyptian mummies. "KRST" has the root word meaning "to anoint", and Horus is often referred to as the "anointed one". The mummy was anointed with spices to preserve it, as each individual is anointed, or "steeped" in, soul energies that will endure to everlasting life. The name on the "KRST" jersey, "Sundin", is clearly a reference to the sun god. The name "Mats" or "Matthew" has its origin in the place of judgment, the Hall of Maat, where the deceased is led by Horus to his father Osiris' throne to be judged.

        Nowhere is the true meaning of hockey more clearly portrayed than at the beginning of the game. The (originally) square TV screen frames the center "faceoff circle". This would have been instantly understood by any educated XXVIth dynasty Egyptian: the square being the symbol for man in virtually all ancient religions, and the circle, God. Thus the circle square is "god within man". This meaning is undeniable despite the fundamentalist's attempt to obscure it by the imposition of the so-called "letterbox" screen format.

        The final prize of this struggle to transcend our material bounds, the Stanley Cup, although perhaps a later addition to the myth, is obviously a reference to the Grail - that which Jung said symbolizes "the inner wholeness for which men have always been searching", again clearly a symbol of the human drive for the divine rather than an actual artifact.

        In order to convince the skeptics of the inescapable fact that the Maple Leafs are actually mythical beings modeled after ancient Egyptian gods, I offer these, I believe, conclusive proofs: consider the name "Ed Belfour" (bel-four): Bel was the Babylonian god of life, justice, and significantly, fire (a reference to the sun god), as is Horus. Four is rich in cosmic meaning: there's the four cardinal points, four winds, four phases of the moon, four seasons, four elements, four arms of the cross, and so on. It shouldn't surprise us that Ed's symbol is the eagle since Horus, according to myth, was given the hawk as his distinctive symbol, and is often depicted as a hawk-headed figure, as is Eddie when he wears his "mask". And, to remove any doubt that Horus is the prototype for Ed Belfour, the previous goalie "Joseph" (Jo-Seph or "Seb" in Egyptian) was the name of the father of Horus in Egyptian myth! The parallels between the Maple Leaf players and Horus are many and substantial; in fact it can be proven, beyond any doubt, that ALL of the "players" on the Maple Leaf roster are actually figures borrowed from ancient Egyptian mythology and were never real people at all! The story of the damaged eye of Brian Berrard strongly mirrors an episode in the Egyptian Book of the Dead involving Horus, for instance. Those who persist in the literalist interpretation of these "players" as real historical people are unable to answer the question of why, in a culture with so much recorded history, there are no undisputed references to ANY of them anywhere outside of the sports pages! What must be clear to any educated person is that these "people" have never existed - they were meant to be understood allegorically, as symbols of Horus and the cosmic KRST.

        In closing, I would like to assure the reader that my purpose in writing this is not to diminish the prestige of hockey - I love hockey; in fact I used to play it. Neither is it to shatter the comfortable security of those well-meaning but spiritually childish people who cling to a superficial understanding of hockey as athletic endeavor. My purpose, rather, is to recover the true meaning of hockey - that points us on our way to the cosmic KRST. Also, when one considers the underlying influence of hockey in much of the violent behavior in our culture, we can see that it is only when everyone has the same understanding of hockey as I do that it will be possible for us to have true harmony.
        • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

          Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:15 AM
          LOL!


          At the precise time at which Christianity was being formulated, powerful currents of economic, social and religious forces had come into play, the operation of which precipitated a swift and drastic shifting of the center of gravity, so to say, in religious values and motivations.

          From the days of Pythagoras and Plato, when Greece was guided by the inner enlightenment of the great Orphic Mystery teaching, the profound insight of Grecian philosophy had seen life on earth as the critical sphere of destiny.

          Values were thought to be won and permanent character established, by the deeds done in the body. Earth was the arena of conquest in life’s struggle. The thing of chief importance was that which was done here in this world.

          Our mundane acts, words and thoughts stamped the marks of destiny on our souls. But with the loss of the spiritual Gnosis, human reason became unable to cope with the apparent hollowness and futility of worldly experience, and a sense of earthly defeatism and hopelessness seized the general mind.

          This revolutionary alteration of viewpoint was the outer evidence of an inner loss. Humanity had mislaid the chart of its spiritual destiny, and with it the location of its pole-star of truth and wisdom.

          It had lost its light of guiding understanding. And with it took flight also the last vestige of the true meaning of the religious data. Sweeping clear out of the purview of this life altogether, and over into another domain to which it was never intended to minister in the beginning, fled the message of all the Scriptures.

          Religion had been instituted in the first instance as instruction and guidance for man’s life on earth. But a false indoctrination following the loss of arcane teaching caused the disastrous shift in the focus of vision and the location of values. So that what had been intended for our perpetual behoof in the life lived here, shot clear over the head of this world and landed in another realm, the astral world of spirits. Religion had become a cult of "otherworldliness," a looking to heaven for fulfilments denied here.

          Hence arose the cultus of spiritualism, and indirectly that of asceticism. Only in this light can we understand also the allocation of the idea of "heaven" to a strategic or central place in nearly all religions. For human yearnings demanded a region in which earthly failures were crowned with poetic success.

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          A necessary consequence of this change, this loss of knowledge, was the transposition also of the continuity of progress for the soul from this life to the life in spirit. If effort was to be held as absolutely fruitless here, then provision had to be made for continued unfoldment in the life out of body.

          Not even the roseate heaven could be made rationally satisfactory until this matter of perpetual development was adjusted in line with specious reasoning. But here religion ran into its most egregious error, and originated a chain of untold disaster for human life and effort.

          It proved the ruin of all sound religious philosophy and closed off the channel of all religious benefit. It defeated the prime purpose of religion altogether, for it left man bereft of just those incentives which would have inspired him to apply himself with courage, steadiness and fortitude to the tasks for the accomplishment of which he came to live on earth.

          For it postulated the thesis that souls, cut off untimely in their growth on earth, would continue to evolve eternally to infinite glories of godhood, in the spiritual spheres. Here was born a delusion that has stultified the spirit of mankind ever since. For no more can a soul achieve any further cycle of growth out of earthly body than can an acorn become another great oak without being buried in the soil of earth. And this theory that has palsied an infinite amount of human effort came by default of religious knowledge of the hidden sense of the term "death".

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          Thrown under a mental coma by the alluring force of the belief, short-sighted and blinded faith has never seen that if continued spiritual progress were possible in a discarnate existence after only one brief life on earth, there could be found no warrant either in logic or in cosmic counsels for our projection into this life in the body for the one fleeting career.

          The incarnation can never be justified save by the postulation of reincarnation. One life here, thrown in with an eternity of growth in a spirit realm, is an untenable thesis to explain a rational cosmic procedure.

          It seems indeed to have escaped discovery universally, and all spiritual teaching everywhere has suffered in consequence.

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          The first hints in the direction of the discovery were picked up when in the study of the great system of Greek thought known as Neo-Platonism, with its interpretations of Greek mythology and religion, one became aware of a peculiar handling of the idea of death.

          "They believed that human souls were confined in the body as in a prison, a condition which they denominated genesis or generation, from which Dionysus would liberate them. This generation, which linked the soul to body, was supposed to be a kind of death to the higher form of life.

          Evil is inherent to this condition, the soul dwelling in the body as in a prison or a grave. . . . The earthly life is a dream rather than a reality . . . the soul is purified and separated from the evils of this condition by knowledge"--or what they called "philosophy".

          The great Plato is himself found saying that "men are placed in the body as in a prison" and that he considered "the body as the sepulchre of the soul
          • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

            Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:20 AM

            Lost meaning of death (pagans nailed him to the cross)

            the Cross is actually the four Fixed Astro signs; Taurus Scorpio Leo and Aquarius

            The appeal of early Christianity to the ignorant masses, and the popularization of its tenets, which were originally drawn from the esoteric schools and Mysteries of Kemet quickly led to the obscuration of all but the most literal sense of scriptural material. Christianity smothered out the ancient Wisdom-Religion or Gnosis, and by garbling the interpretation of purely spiritual teachings, wrecked the machinery of the arcane science.

            The main shift of the wrecked cabalistic mechanism was the cryptic connotation of "death".

            Its restoration at this time will go far to reconstruct the venerable enginery of spiritual wisdom. It may force Christianity to admit its African sources (Origin), and thereby pave the way for a return to the primal purity and sublimity it boasted when it first issued from lofty Nile rivers. It will tend to bring Christianity humbly knocking at the doors of the ancient pagan temples, which misguided zeal closed in the fifth century.

            For the Ancient or Ageless Wisdom, taught in the arcane schools of old, has had a modern rebirth, and Christianity Myth will find its salvation from almost universal distrust by recognizing in the occult movement theswitch spirit of its original motivation.

            people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...efb6eb44a7
            • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

              Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:21 AM

              Ps 2:1-4
              2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

              2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

              3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

              4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
              • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:27 AM


                The founders of Historic Christianity taught and enforced the doctrine that their Jesus the Christ had risen from the dead, body, bones, and all, and that he demonstrated the fact to his followers when he declared that he was not a spirit! The resurrection, therefore, was physical from the first! In a confession found in the Apostolic Creed, in the year 600, the convert has to say, "I believe in the resurrection of the flesh"; and only the other day Canon Gregory declared in St. Paul's Cathedral, that if you took away the physical resurrection of Jesus, the one foundation of their spiritual life was gone!

                If the Christ did not rise corporeally from his tomb, then that tomb would be the grave of Christianity. But Paul's doctrine of the resurrection is totally opposed to this cardinal doctrine of the Christian creed, the resurrection of the body. He does not expect to rise corporeally because of any physical resurrection of the Christ.

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                He spoke the "Wisdom of God in a mystery that hath been hidden; which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory." The "mystery of Christ which in other generations was not made known." The "mystery which is Christ in you."

                His was the "revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal." The fact is that Paul was a publisher of the ancient mysteries; that was why his enemies strove to kill him! He openly promulgated the Gnosis which had always been kept secret. But to comprehend him we must have some knowledge of the Messianic mystery, which had an origin in phenomena that are both natural and explicable. When one has worked at the subject for years, it can be explained in a few hours. The root of the Messiah's name is Mesi in Egyptian. One meaning, like that of the Christ in Greek and Messiach in Hebrew, is to anoint. But the fundamental signification is re-birth. The month, Mes-ore, was so named from the re-birth of the Inundation. The mam-mesi was the re-birth-place of the man or mummy. The evening meal on the first day of the New Year was the Mesiu, or festival of its birth. Cf. Sanskrit masa, for a moon or month, and masala for a year.

                This re-birth could be very various in phenomena, and so was the typical Messiah or re-born one. The serpent called Mesi, the Sacred Word, was the Messiah by name, because the reptile sloughed its skin, and renewed itself. Hence the Serpent was a symbol of the Gnostic Christ. Re-birth was the manifestation and the personified Manifestor was the Messiah, under whichever type or in whatever phase of the phenomena.

                Re-birth of the Nile, of the light in the moon, of the time-cycle, or of the Dead, could have its Messiah! Hence the Messiah had a monthly re-birth in the lunar orb, and a solar one every year--with re-birth from the virgin mother in the Zodiac. But there was a more mysterious manifestation when the girl or boy attained pubescence, or re-birth, into womanhood and manhood. Here the Messiah is both male and female--Charis as well as Christ; Wisdom as well as the Word! According to the natural facts, at that period of re-birth was born the procreative power for further ensuring the future re-birth of the race. Men and women could reproduce themselves in this life. Hence the re-birth of the Anointed One, the Messiah of Adultship.

                But beyond these natural re-births, it was demonstrated in the spiritual mysteries of abnormal mediumship, that there was a spirit in man, or, at least, in some men, that could reproduce itself, or, by alliance with the power above, could be reproduced, or re-born, for the next life. This was the Christ of the Gnosis, the Messianic Manifestor in a psychical or spiritual phase; the Revealer, according to the mystery of Paul. That which he had received from no man, was communicated to him by this revelation of the Christ. But mark; in no one of these phases, elemental, Kronian, or human, could the Messiah, the Christ of the manifestation, become any one historic personage. Also, in the human phase, there is but one sense in which the Christ could be born of a virgin mother, and that can only

                be understood by taking the Christ as the Immortal in man, and supplementing it with the knowledge that the mother was the first recognised inspirer of the soul.
            • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

              Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:26 AM

              They lost the Gnosis!

              www.africawithin.com/massey/...eter.htm

              According to Paul's own words. His account of the matter is totally antipodal. He received his commission to preach the Christ, as he declares, "when it was the good pleasure of God to reveal his Son in me," and therefore not by an apparition of Jesus of Nazareth outside of him! His Christ within was not the Corpus of Christian belief, but the Christ of the Gnosis. He heard no voice external to himself, which could be converted into the audible voice of an historic Jesus; and nothing can be more instructive to begin with, than a comparative study of these two versions, for showing how the matter has been manipulated, and the facts perverted, for the purpose of establishing or supporting an orthodox history.

              What he did hear when caught up in the spirit he tells us was unspeakable; words which it is not lawful for a man to utter! He makes no mention of a Jesus of Nazareth. Indeed, Jesus of Nazareth is unknown to Paul! His name never once appears in the Epistles; and the significance of the fact in favour of the present view can hardly be exaggerated. So, Jesus of Nazareth does not appear in the Gospel of Marcion; or, as it was represented by some of the Christian Fathers, Marcion had removed the name of Jesus of Nazareth from his particular Gospel--being so virulent a heretic!

              Here we find Paul in agreement with Marcion, the Gnostic rejecter of Jesus of Nazareth, and of historic Christianity. Moreover, Paul was the only apostle of the true Christ who was recognised by Marcion. Now, as Marcion had rejected the human nature of the Christ, and left the sect which ultimately became the church of historic Christianity, it is impossible that he could have adopted or upheld the Gospel of Paul as it has come down to us in our version of the Epistles. Hence, Irenæus complains that Marcion dismembered the Epistles of Paul, and removed those passages from the prophetical writings which had been quoted to teach us that they announced beforehand the coming of the Lord!

              ------

              Paul waged continual warfare. For, another Jesus, another Spirit, and another gospel were being preached by these pre-eminent apostles who were the opponents of Paul. He warns the Corinthians against those "pre-eminent apostles," whom he calls false prophets, deceitful workers, and ministers of Satan, who came among them to preach "another Jesus" whom he did not preach, and a different gospel from that which they had received from him. To the Galatians he says: "If any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be damned;" or let him be Anathema. He chides them: "O, foolish, Galatians, who did bewitch you? Are ye so foolish: having begun in the Spirit, are ye perfected in the flesh?"

              That is, in the gospel of the Christ made flesh, the gospel to those who were at enmity with him, who followed on his track like Satan sowing tares by night to choke the seed of the spiritual gospel which Paul had so painfully sown, and who, as he intimates to the Thessalonians, were quite capable of forging epistles in his name to deceive his followers. It has never yet been shown how fundamental was this feud between Paul and the forgers of the fleshly faith, because the real facts had not been grappled with or grasped concerning the totally different bases of belief, and the forever irreconcilable gospels of the Gnostic or spiritual Christ, and of the Christ made flesh, to be set forth as the Saviour of mankind, according to Historic Christianity.

              It was impossible that Paul and Peter should draw or pull together; the different grounds of their faith were in the beginning from pole to pole apart. He says: "I made known to you, brethren, as touching the gospel which was preached by me, that it is not after man.

              For neither did I receive it from man (or from a man), nor was I taught it, save through revelation of the Christ revealed within."

              He did not derive his facts from history, nor his gospel from the Apostles; he was neither taught by man nor book. He derived his gospel from direct personal revelation of the Christ within. In short, his Christ was not that Jesus of Nazareth whom he never mentions, and whom the others preached, and who may have been, and in all likelihood was, Joshua Ben Pandira, the Nazarene.

              Now, in this epistle, the Christ is non-historical, he is the Kronian Christ, the Æonian manifestor of the mythical, that is astronomical prophecy; he is after the order of Melchizedek, who was "without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life." This was the ever-coming one who could not become a human personage; and for that reason, I take it, Paul repudiates the genealogies of Christ. In advising Titus to give no heed to "Jewish Fables," he tells him to "shun foolish questionings and genealogies." He counsels Timothy to warn his followers against giving heed to "fables and endless genealogies,"

              -------

              The Christ of the Gnosis was not connected with place any more than personality, or line of human descent. His only birthplace was in the mind of man. Consequently, in his gospel, Marcion, who was a Gnostic Christian, does not connect his Christ with Nazareth. His Christ is not Jesus of Nazareth. And this note of the Gnosis is apparent in the writings of Paul. His Christ is nowhere called Jesus of Nazareth, nor is he born at Bethlehem, either of the Virgin Mary, or of Mary the wife of Cleopas, who was not the Virgin.

              Of course, either an historic Jesus could become the Christ, as Saviour of the world, or he could not; and, as the world never was lost in any such sense as the ignorant have derived from a fable misinterpreted, why he could not, and as he could not, then he did not, and Paul who was an Adept in the mysteries, a Master of the Hidden Wisdom, could never have mistaken the fable for a fact on which to build his system of Christology; nor could he accept it from others. When once we have got the Gnostic clue to the Hidden Wisdom, we find an universal argument amongst the Gnostics concerning their tenets. Wherever we meet with them they give us the Masonic grip; and by the same sign we know that Paul was a Gnostic.
              • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:33 AM
                Do you rally think that someone is going to sift through all of your bombardment? A wisdom to be learned is that sometimes, less is more.Perhaps you have never had children, but if you feed a baby large chunks at a time you will find that he will spit it up and nothing will be digested. Much is passes over in the process.

                It becomes quite tedious to the readers. As others tried to tell you in another thread. Mercury oppositoin Mars flowing through you perhaps?
                • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                  Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:23 AM


                  >"Do you rally think that someone is going to sift through all of your bombardment?<"

                  That's up to you or them, if you or they want to remain ignorant and stupid so be it ...

                  what i post is probably less then a page or two if you we just glosssing over a book in the book store ... PEOPLE ARE LAZZY
                  and don't want to know the truth THEY WANT TO REMAIN STUPID

                  you built youR whole life around this that I'm sure its going to be devastating

                  you should read through this, as i will read through yours, and then we can debate,
                  but you haven't even read it - don't be a block headed Taurus

                  My contribution is not for show, my love and my time doesn't cost you any money - I do this for You, my day is yours

                  a spiritual messenger of words is my hobby and my salvation. A Scribe if you will. My glory is not even in championing these ideas
                  for notoriety or of these actions or swords of words with a grind.

                  I just keep going until they spark a fire. and blow you out like fire like a dragon onto a flower
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                    Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                    Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:43 AM


                    Isa 26:11 LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.


                    Jer 23:28-32The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
                    29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
                    30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
                    31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
                    32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.



              • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:39 AM

                The founders of Historic Christianity taught and enforced the doctrine that their Jesus the Christ had risen from the dead, body, bones, and all, and that he demonstrated the fact to his followers when he declared that he was not a spirit! The resurrection, therefore, was physical from the first! In a confession found in the Apostolic Creed, in the year 600, the convert has to say, "I believe in the resurrection of the flesh"; and only the other day Canon Gregory declared in St. Paul's Cathedral, that if you took away the physical resurrection of Jesus, the one foundation of their spiritual life was gone!

                If the Christ did not rise corporeally from his tomb, then that tomb would be the grave of Christianity. But Paul's doctrine of the resurrection is totally opposed to this cardinal doctrine of the Christian creed, the resurrection of the body. He does not expect to rise corporeally because of any physical resurrection of the Christ.

                ------

                He spoke the "Wisdom of God in a mystery that hath been hidden; which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory." The "mystery of Christ which in other generations was not made known." The "mystery which is Christ in you."

                His was the "revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal." The fact is that Paul was a publisher of the ancient mysteries; that was why his enemies strove to kill him! He openly promulgated the Gnosis which had always been kept secret. But to comprehend him we must have some knowledge of the Messianic mystery, which had an origin in phenomena that are both natural and explicable. When one has worked at the subject for years, it can be explained in a few hours.

                The root of the Messiah's name is Mesi in Egyptian. One meaning, like that of the Christ in Greek and Messiach in Hebrew, is to anoint. But the fundamental signification is re-birth. The month, Mes-ore, was so named from the re-birth of the Inundation. The mam-mesi was the re-birth-place of the man or mummy. The evening meal on the first day of the New Year was the Mesiu, or festival of its birth. Cf. Sanskrit masa, for a moon or month, and masala for a year.

                This re-birth could be very various in phenomena, and so was the typical Messiah or re-born one. The serpent called Mesi, the Sacred Word, was the Messiah by name, because the reptile sloughed its skin, and renewed itself. Hence the Serpent was a symbol of the Gnostic Christ. Re-birth was the manifestation and the personified Manifestor was the Messiah, under whichever type or in whatever phase of the phenomena.

                Re-birth of the Nile, of the light in the moon, of the time-cycle, or of the Dead, could have its Messiah! Hence the Messiah had a monthly re-birth in the lunar orb, and a solar one every year--with re-birth from the virgin mother in the Zodiac. But there was a more mysterious manifestation when the girl or boy attained pubescence, or re-birth, into womanhood and manhood. Here the Messiah is both male and female--Charis as well as Christ; Wisdom as well as the Word! According to the natural facts, at that period of re-birth was born the procreative power for further ensuring the future re-birth of the race. Men and women could reproduce themselves in this life. Hence the re-birth of the Anointed One, the Messiah of Adultship.

                But beyond these natural re-births, it was demonstrated in the spiritual mysteries of abnormal mediumship, that there was a spirit in man, or, at least, in some men, that could reproduce itself, or, by alliance with the power above, could be reproduced, or re-born, for the next life. This was the Christ of the Gnosis, the Messianic Manifestor in a psychical or spiritual phase; the Revealer, according to the mystery of Paul. That which he had received from no man, was communicated to him by this revelation of the Christ. But mark; in no one of these phases, elemental, Kronian, or human, could the Messiah, the Christ of the manifestation, become any one historic personage. Also, in the human phase, there is but one sense in which the Christ could be born of a virgin mother, and that can only

                be understood by taking the Christ as the Immortal in man, and supplementing it with the knowledge that the mother was the first recognised inspirer of the soul.

                -----

                When typified and made doctrinal, this mother, as quickener of the soul, this mother of the Horus, or Christ, may be said to be virgin in a region beyond that of physical contact in the fleshly human phase. In a final form, the Messiah was the immortal spirit in man, or the Christ within, according to the language of Paul. Those who understood these things could not take to, or be taken in by, historic Christianity; could only think of it as did Celsus when he says of the Christians: "Certain most impious errors are committed by them, which are due to their extreme ignorance, in which they have wandered away from the meaning of the divine enigmas"; and as did Porphyry, who denounced the Christian religion as a "blasphemy, barbarously bold."

                The Christian doctrine of being born again was derived without knowledge from this Gnostic re-birth, which was the conversion of the total man, and his seven lower souls, into a likeness of his supreme or divine self, with the eighth one, the Christ-spirit, as the reproducer for eternal life. Paul sometimes claims that he possesses this Christ-nature, this Revealer within, because, according to the Gnostics, humanity could attain to the divine altitude, and demonstrate upon the Mount of Transfiguration the immortal element in the nature of man. The Christian world let go, and lost this basis that Paul found in natural, though supra-normal fact, when it ignorantly substituted the modus operandi of miracle applied to a physical resurrection.

                -----

                But, as we have seen, this manifestor of the of the re-birth might be feminine as well as masculine. In fact, the female announcer was first, and there are mystical reasons for this in nature. In Hebrew, the Holy Spirit, or ruach, is of a feminine gender. The soul is female. Some of the Gnostic sects assigned the soul to the female nature, and made their Charis not only anterior, but superior, to the Christ. In the Book of Wisdom it is Sophia herself who is the pre-Christian Saviour of mankind. It was Wisdom that men are taught, and she is the Saviour through knowledge and good works. Whereas the Christ was turned into a Saviour through faith.

                The same Tree of Knowledge that supplied the fruit which damned the primal pair in the Genesis, is the Tree of Wisdom in the Apocrypha, where Wisdom, personified as the Tree, exclaims, "I am the mother of fair love, and fear, and knowledge, and holy hope. Come unto me all ye that be desirous of me, and fill yourselves with my fruits. For my memorial is sweeter than honey, and mine inheritance than the honey-comb. He that obeyeth me shall never be confounded."

                This complete reversal of the Christian belief is to be found in the Hidden Wisdom! Such was the interpretation, by the men who knew, of that Fable on which the Fall of Man was based by those who have imposed on us with their ignorance, and made us blind with their belief. Wisdom is the renewer and renovator of all things, and it is she who confers

                immortality on man; she who is the Christ as bringer to re-birth. The Gnostic Marcus maintained that Charis was superior to "all things" or Totum; and Charis, the female Christ, was the illuminating spirit of his teaching, as when he is made to say to his mediums:--"Behold, Charis has descended upon thee; open thy mouth and prophesy; open thy mouth and thou shalt prophecy."

                Apply this to the Spirit as male, instead of female, and you have the Christ, or illuminating spirit of Paul. It was a question of priority in the type, and belonged to a mystical interpretation of natural phenomena. The blood of Charis preceded the blood of Christ, and but for the purification by the blood of Charis, there would have been no doctrine of the purification of souls by the blood of Christ. The Eucharist was a celebration of Charis before it was assigned to the Christ.

                -----

                "These things are an allegory."

                In her most occult phase the feminine messenger was a Word that could be made flesh; for she was the flesh-maker, the mother of Matter. But this was on physiological grounds alone. Hence she was superseded by the masculine messenger; the spirit that could never be made flesh. None but the initiated in these matters could possibly know what was meant by this transfer of type, and substitution of the Lord for the Lady, the Christ for Wisdom, the second Adam for the first. But there it is truth-like at the bottom of the well; the source of so much difficulty found in the depths of Paul's writings. And this contention of Paul on behalf of one Gnostic dogma against another has been made to look as if he were fervently fighting for an Historic Jesus.

                This transfer of type is not limited to Paul!

                For instance, the Vine was a feminine symbol. Wisdom says, "As the Vine brought I forth" (Ecc. xxiv. 17); and in the Book of Proverbs Sophia cries, "Come eat of my bread, and drink of the wine I have mingled." The Fig-Tree in Egypt was the figure of the Lady of Heaven, who is pourtrayed as the Tree of Life and Knowledge, in the act of feeding souls. **She literally gives her body as the Bread and her blood as the Wine of Life! *(THIS IS WHY I CALLED HER A WHORE IT WAS ALLEGORY SHE GIVES OF HER SELF BODY FOR CHRIST BABY (CHRIST CONCIOUNESS) NOT OF THE FLESH BUT, OF THE SPIRIT TO PAY FOR IMMORTALITY)*

                In the later Ptolemeian times this Tree was assigned to Sophia or Wisdom! which shows the link between Egypt and Greece.

                The superseding of Sophia is also illustrated in the cursing of the fruitless Fig-tree by the Canonical Christ, where the Parable of Mythology is represented as a human history. In John's Gospel the type has been transferred, just as the sayings were, to the masculine nature, and the Christ becomes the bread and wine of life. In the Apocrypha it is Sophia who is "The brightness of the everlasting light, the unspotted mirror of the power of God, and the image of his goodness!" (Wisdom vii. 26.)
                • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                  Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:01 AM
                  I don't know if you are finished copying and pasting yet, but if you believe and quote Paul, I am sure you understand what he is saying here to you:

                  Gal 1:6-9
                  6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
                  7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
                  8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
                  9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

                  I am sure you understand the implications here, and you seemed to ignore his warnings.
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                    Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                    Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:43 AM


                    "but if you believe and quote Paul, I am sure you understand what he is saying here to you: "

                    Sirius, you didn't read a lick of what i posted ...the whole point was that Paul was misrepresent in the bible
                    they turned all his real teachings to suit their imperious ventures

                    the church the the teachings are frauds ...come to KMT

                    you believe in the spirit of the holy ghost why is this so hard for you to see that God Jesus is within you and not some fictitious
                    man who no on saw or knows - all the years are all mixed up ---the Roman empire didn't fall - it Went right into Christianity

                    i shall return to read and reply to you post, later
        • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

          Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:37 AM

          Your religion is your Ego ..for christsake and that's not christlike

          "Maple Leaf NHL broadcasts"

          you whole reasoning is is flawed because that's what the bible has done with the glory of KMT

          our analogies come first, i can show you every book in the bible that any plagiarists expertise or heck any person with a little
          common sense of a child could tell ...I can show you that the great flood of genesis is really the story of KMT and the fall of Atlantis i can show all the stories

          you all stole this information now I'm taking it back

          WE ARE HERE TO RECLAIM THE PYRAMIDS... your scripture will not persuade

          Everything you all have been taught in school; from grammar school to Harvard IS A LIE

          all of it

          "I have held my destiny in my two hands and I am the shape I made. I have suffered and loved. I have walked through fire and did not burn. I've been blown by wind and did not fall. I've walked the long road and kept to my journey though I met no other traveler.

          I have lost and found myself in every rock, field and tree.I know what I am and what I imagine. I know shadow and light, and I have never been satisfied with shelter and bread when the great was left unattained. This I have done to enter death and turn from nothing toward life. I shall pass into heaven, even I shall pass like eternity, quietly in the fire and flesh"

          -extracts from Awakening Osiris

          Long live KMT!
          • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

            Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:46 AM
            Lol Dogstar, you are a funny guy :D **laughs
            • Re: They trashed the Gnosis for what it was

              Thu, May 15, 2008 - 4:01 PM
              For those of you in the future who have dug up this thread (or those in a Galaxy far, far, away) might also be interested in also going to this thread "Beginnings:The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!" in order to see where it all started, and to enjoy the dialogue there. astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a...8c8fcc46e

              So kick back, relax, make some popcorn and enjoy the ride :D
              • Re: They trashed the Gnosis for what it was

                Fri, May 16, 2008 - 4:26 PM
                "The people who you are calling “The Christians” are actually the evil witches and priest of the Pagans dressed up in robes of Rome into a biblical God and all the eivl of a Devil and as for your so called “solar phallic god” there are none except the ones that pagans put there"


                I don't adhere to wearing special uniforms or titles, shorts, a t-shirt, and flip-flops are fine were I come from. Neither do I belong to a denomination or specified group. But in defence of those that choose to, dont you think that its like calling the kettle black when the leader of your kemetic religion is a wiccan and dresses in funny garb?

                en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemetic_Orthodoxy

                Scroll down to "History" and read of rev. Tamara Siuda

                When someone judges someone for something that they themself do, I have heard it termed as "hypocrites"

                Don't worry, I am not even getting warmed up yet. I have plenty for you tomorrow, especially your fallacies about Paul.

                Oh, BTW, do you actually believe the gnostic gospels, or are you just using them as a diversion for more misinformation?
                • Re: They trashed the Gnosis for what it was

                  Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:15 PM

                  i have much to add as well, and i still have to finish reading your replys, but i think we need a different approach
                  a different agenda here... i'm not sure yet how to proceed here but we need to define our objective here.

                  this is just something i happen to see going through old mags in a waiting room, wasn't looking for
                  it, but it came to me - you can see that this information will start to emerge soon ...and again we are going backwards

                  Ethiopian odyssey: Keepers of the Lost Ark?
                  www.smithsonianmag.com/people...12.html

                  Christians in Ethiopia have long claimed to have the ark of the covenant.

                  King Solomon's son, was Menelik

                  According to the First Book of Kings, King Solomon built the First Temple in Jerusalem to house the ark. It was venerated there during Solomon's reign (c. 970-930 B.C.) and beyond.

                  Menelik
                  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelik_I
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                    Re: They trashed the Gnosis for what it was

                    Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:16 PM


                    Solomon - Fictional Character

                    Solomon, Sheba, and Menelik are fictional characters.

                    The basis of the story is taken from that of Ausar, Auset and Heru in their stellar aspect.

                    The abode of Ausar in the sky is called "Sah" in Kamit. This is the Orion constellation. Hence Ausar is called "Ausar-Sah". Yet, Ausar also has a title, "Heri Meht". (hri mht, in the metutu/glyphs). Heri means "he who is above; chief; leader; king". Meht means "north; northern territory". Heri Meht thus means "King or Chief of the Northern Territory". North Kamit was sacred to Ausar as the place where He was resurrected and made His entrance into the Heavenly realm (Sah/Orion) to function as a God in Nature.

                    "Heri" (Hri) was corrupted into Hori, Holi, Sholi (the aspirated 'h' was sometimes corrupted from 'h' into 'sh'), Soli, and Sol. (There was no 'l' in ancient Kamit, only a rolling 'r'. The 'l' came later with the greeks). "Meht" was corrupted into Met, Meh, and Men. "Herimeht" was thus corrupted into Horimeht, Holimeht, Sholimeht, Sholimen and Solimen/Suliman/Solomon.

                    Sheba & Menelik - Fictional Characters

                    Auset takes up residence in the star system Sapadet (spd.t), often called 'Sirius'. The root word "Sapad" (Spd) means 'to provide'. Auset is thus called "The Great Provider". She is the Queen of the star system Sapadet, and is therefore known as 'the Queen of Sapad.t', or Sapad, which was corrupted into Shabat, Shabad, Shaba, and Saba (Sheba).

                    Auset, as the Queen of Sapadet (Sheba) also has the title "Rekhit" meaning "wise one" in the language of Kamit. Rekhit was corrupted into "Lekhit" by the whites. The masculine form "Rekh" was corrupted into "Lekh".

                    When the constellations Ausar-Sah (Osiris-Orion/Heri Meht/Solomon) and Auset Sapadet (Isis-Sirius/Queen of Sapadet/Shaba/Sheba) unite in the sky, they occasion the appearance of a star called Heru am Tuat or Heru am Spdt (Horus in Sothis). This is the stellar Heru, son of Ausar and Auset. As Auset is called "Rekhit" (Lekhit), this Heru is called the "son of Rekhit (Lekhit)---son of the wise one".

                    The term "per" or "pera" means "product of, offspring of" in the
                    language of Kamit. "Pera Rekhit" thus means, "offspring of Rekhit---offspring of the Wise one".

                    Also, "per and pera" meaning "offspring" were corrupted into "ben and bena and ibn" meaning "son/offspring" in hebrew and arabic. In the Kebra Negast, you'll find that Menelik is defined as "son of the wise one"---"bayna lekhim". This is a corruption of the Kamau "pera rekhit". Hence the derivatives---pena lekhit, bena lekhit, bena lekhim, bena lekh, mena lik, menelik.
  • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

    Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:04 PM
    Ah, so much bullshit, so little time.

    12 is a sacred number which occurs in many sacred contexts. Jesus would have deliberately chosen 12, knowing its numerological significance. Many of the pagan elements in Christianity can be attributed to the fact that Jesus and his followers were products of an environment in which Jewish and Pagan influences were mixing and intermingling. Yes, Paul experienced the inner Christ just as Jesus did. Jesus helped bring Christ consciousness to his followers.

    Your thinking is an irrational assumption that any symbolism or associations must be fabricated rather than syncronicities.
    • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

      Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:21 PM

      Jon who invented Math and how?

      and why is 12 secret?

      there is no assumption here, if you know what to look for, you can tell just with your language of your sources

      i wouldn't think that you all would know any history beyond Greece, Jesus was not a Christian

      if your only source is the bible then ...you can see the problem

      I can show you every book of the bible and how they changed it ... i have proof what do you have?
      • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

        Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:34 PM
        "Jon who invented Math and how?"

        Math wasn't invented. It was discovered.


        "there is no assumption here, if you know what to look for, you can tell just with your language of your sources"

        There is looking too hard. As Robert Anton Wilson says, "What the thinker thinks, the prover proves." In other words, if you're committed enough to a belief(such as Jesus not existing), you can find evidence to support that belief. You've been grasping at straws this whole time, playing games with language and obscure mythology, and foolishly believing you've proven something.


        "i wouldn't think that you all would know any history beyond Greece, Jesus was not a Christian"

        I'm quite the history buff, and would gladly challenge you on your knowledge of world history. And of course Jesus wasn't a Christian. He was a Jew. His followers were Christian.


        "if your only source is the bible then ...you can see the problem"

        The problem is you're making vast assumptions and are being terribly inarticulate. I've studied several world religions, from that of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans, to Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. To accuse me of using the Bible as my only source is incredibly ignorant and presumptive of you.


        "I can show you every book of the bible and how they changed it ... i have proof what do you have?"

        If you call your delirious semantic games "proof" then by all means continue living in Zeitgeist-land, but I have history and professional scholarship on my side.
        • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

          Fri, May 16, 2008 - 6:15 PM

          ha- ha step right up to get beat down

          You're on Jon! ... but what do you know of AFRIKA??

          you're about to prove my point, and look stupid ...don't act like i never told ya

          I'll prove it was all whitewarshed
          • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

            Fri, May 16, 2008 - 9:58 PM
            "You're on Jon! ... but what do you know of AFRIKA??"

            I assume you mean Africa. What do you want to know, exactly? About how the Ethiopian Orthodox Church claims to have the real Ark of the Covenant? The fact that a tribe in southern Africa claims to be the descendants of one of the tribes of Israel(and recently proved it with DNA tests)? The fact that the Nubians were considered world-class archers well into the Middle Ages? There's quite a few things I know about Africa, but unless you indicate what you're getting at, it's hard to get into specifics.


            "I'll prove it was all whitewarshed"

            If by "whitewarshed" you mean conquered by white people, then that's common knowledge.
            • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

              Fri, May 16, 2008 - 10:59 PM

              Thanks Jon,

              If by "whitewarshed" you mean conquered by white people, then that's common knowledge.

              No. well yes, but it gets worst, i mean not only raped and pillage by savages but they stole too tthe solutions to their own problem
              and got it all wrong...and they thought it was such a good idea with all their logic to muck up the environment in less than a few hundred years

              it's like one of those dumb criminals who come into your house snatch your family up go though your belongings take the clothes, the food, snatch up the car, with all your id's and title to your mortgage... comes back leaves on the gas and blows everybody up

              the original owners are still in the basement waiting for me to let them out...there's still time to turn off the Gas
              only the peo0ple in the basement have the key to switch
            • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

              Fri, May 16, 2008 - 11:30 PM


              Jon,

              >"What do you want to know, exactly?"<

              Tell us about Imhotep
              • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                Sat, May 17, 2008 - 7:36 AM
                "Tell us about Imhotep"

                I've heard a legend that he created one of the first tantric temples in the West(I can neither confirm nor deny this). He served as chancellor to the pharaoh and high priest of Ra. Most information on him is hearsay and conjecture, but he is credited with several inventions. I suppose the point you're driving at is that some scholars believe he and Joseph of the Bible are one in the same, or that their legends were mixed together. Am I getting warmer?
                • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                  Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:06 AM

                  thanks John,

                  >"Most information on him is hearsay and conjecture"<

                  I wonder why? in Africa he's like the Micheal Jordon of Sciences and Metaphysics

                  >"suppose the point you're driving at is that some scholars believe he and Joseph of the Bible are one in the same, or that their legends were mixed together. Am I getting warmer?"<

                  wow that's interesting thanks i would like to check that out - i guess i don't know that much about the archetype Joseph

                  He is real and he is one of the great african (black) Kemetians -

                  A great man, quite possibly the greatest in all of ancient history, Imhotep, the world's "first recorded multi-genius" regarded as the real Father of Medicine and credited with innumerable architectural achievements,

                  He was the world's first named architect who built Egypt's (Kemet) first pyramid, is often recognized as the world's first doctor, a priest,. scribe, sage, poet, chief lector, priest (a vizier and chief minister to Djoser), architect, astronomer, astrologer, and great magician (medicine and magic were used together) (reigned 2630–2611 BC)

                  For 3000 years he was worshipped as a god in Greece and Rome. Early Christians worshipped him as the "Prince of Peace." (Hmmm?)

                  Imhotep was also a poet and philosopher. He urged contentment and preached cheerfulness.

                  >"He served as chancellor to the pharaoh and high priest of Ra"<

                  interesting...esp. when we know the true meaning of Ra

                  Imhotep -- The World's First Multigenius - here's a picture of him blackhistory.tribe.net/photos...6f85cc1

                  bio
                  www.theblacklist.net/Feature...otep.htm

                  AFRICAN KINGDOMS (on the left hand side link click African Kings and Queens)
                  www.africankingdoms.com/

                  Pics of pyramid Djoser
                  www.touregypt.net/featurest...mhotep.htm

                  ---------

                  this is fun ;-)

                  Next question(s)

                  tell us the importance of the DOGON OF MALI

                  and What is Lemuria?
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                    Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                    Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:29 AM
                    "tell us the importance of the DOGON OF MALI"

                    In 1976, Robert K Temple wrote a book called "The Sirius Mystery," in which he documented how the Dogon people seemed to have traditional knowledge about the Sirius star system which only modern science could verify.


                    "and What is Lemuria?"

                    Lemuria is supposed to have been the equivalent of Atlantis in either the Indian or Pacific Ocean. Its existence was first postulated in the 1800s to account for discontinuities in biogeography. The theory was rejected as plate tectonics began to be understood, but not before Madame Blavatsky and other occult writers could coopt it into their own mythology. Today, many New Agers believe the legend of Lemuria to go back thousands of years, when in fact, it only goes back a couple hundred years.
                    • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                      Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:47 AM

                      Hebrew people (the real Jews) originated in Africa

                      Canaanites, Ham, African; True Origins the Hebrews
                      blackhistory.tribe.net/thread...ea434a6

                      The Hebrews were Canaanites (the true authors of Kabala) and were Black People. The Jews got their language, religion & culture from the Canaanites. The people of the Bible were primarily Black African people. Moses was an Egyptian priest, Black Samson had dreadlocks. Solomon declares, "I am black" as does Job; "My skin is black..." (Sol. 1:6, Job 30:30) Simon was a Canaanite.

                      PICS: The Physical Appearance of Ancient Israel The Hebrews & The Sons Of Ham
                      www.stewartsynopsis.com/physic...t_i.htm
                      • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                        Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:06 AM
                        "Moses was an Egyptian priest, "

                        The race of the Egyptians is the subject of much debate, but the Afro-centric view is not taken seriously by most scholars of the subject. In fact, there are writings from the Egyptians which express a racist attitude toward their darker-skinned neighbors in Nubia.


                        "Black Samson had dreadlocks"

                        The ancient Celts were reported to have dreadlocks. This Indian sadhu has them as well: www.sulekha.com/images/sadhu2.jpg

                        I guess they must be black, despite the fact that dreadlocks have occurred in almost every culture at some point in history.


                        "Solomon declares, "I am black" as does Job; "My skin is black..." (Sol. 1:6, Job 30:30)"

                        As there is no book in the Bible which is abbreviated as "Sol," you'll have to tell me what book you're referring to. I checked out the Testament of Solomon, and it isn't in there either. As for Job 30:30, it reads:

                        "My skin grows black and peels; my body burns with fever."

                        To any rational observer, it is obvious he is describing symptoms of a disease, such as plague or leprosy. Either you didn't read the actual passage, are so ignorant that you missed the most obvious interpretation, or are just a bald-faced liar.

                        In any case, I'll just refer to your Afrocentric historical revisionism as "blackwashing."
                    • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                      Sat, May 17, 2008 - 10:11 AM

                      Good! Good!

                      and what is the importance of the Sirius mystery system?
                      what does it tell us or what was it's importance to the Dogon people and how does it impact Egypt?

                      >" knowledge about the Sirius star system which only modern science could verify."<

                      Why is this important?

                      ["and What is Lemuria?"]

                      >"Lemuria is supposed to have been the equivalent of Atlantis<"

                      What is Atlantis? yes we know the myth, but what's its real significance ?

                      Where did Madame Blavatsky and other so called occult writers get their mythology from?

                      So the "theory of rejected plate tectonics" discounts the the legend, even its dates and time, and also its authenticity?
                      • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                        Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:13 AM
                        "and what is the importance of the Sirius mystery system?
                        what does it tell us or what was it's importance to the Dogon people and how does it impact Egypt?"

                        It is important because it suggests that the Dogon people had contact with beings from Sirius. I have no idea what wild fantasies you have about its importance to Egypt.


                        "What is Atlantis? yes we know the myth, but what's its real significance ?"

                        Significance is in the eye of the beholder. For you, it seems that something is significant only insofar as it relates to black people and Africa. Can I venture to guess that you are black?


                        "Where did Madame Blavatsky and other so called occult writers get their mythology from?"

                        Well, she would tell you that she channelled the information. In my estimation she had quite the imagination, and while such channeling exercises can be useful for transfering wisdom, they are a poor source of historical information.


                        "So the "theory of rejected plate tectonics" discounts the the legend, even its dates and time, and also its authenticity?"

                        Not entirely, but it does cast a great deal of doubt over the theory.
                        • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                          Sat, May 17, 2008 - 2:38 PM
                          Sounds to me like he has been heavily influenced by the channeler Gyeorgos Hatonn, who channels the so called St. germain. He has quoted from him before to try and "prove" his theories.

                          Back in the early 80's when I was heavy into the new age movement I read alot of his stuff on UFOology and our space origins.

                          His things I have read lately are terribly anti-semetic towards the Jews that are in Israel today. Hmm, I wonder why. He also changes it to them all being black.

                          Perhaps you dont know, Dogstar, but not every spirit that you can contact is from the forces of light. There are also the forces of darkness out there and you need discernment to see.

                          2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

                          1 Kings 22:21-23 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
                          22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
                          23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee

                          Isaiah 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

                          I have been somewhere near where you are today Dogstar, so I can have compassion on you. But it is time to shake off the darkness and come to the true light.

                          2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light

                          You have been duped, wake up!

                          Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light











                        • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                          Sat, May 17, 2008 - 3:31 PM


                          Jon thank you for being a good sport,

                          and this is what i mean by whitewash ... they would have you believe that our great history is nothing but Myths when in fact they had taken from our history and it applied it to their history and religion for imperialism

                          The importance of the Dogon people at least for this forum is, here is the beginning of Astrology and the meaning of the archetypes, signs, and meanings but just as important it is-

                          The world's first Holy Trinity; Ausar, Auset, Heru and the Resurrection
                          www.raceandhistory.com/histor...001.htm

                          Dogon cosmology myth is the same story of Christ and the trinity

                          Here we find the true authors of the bible is the cosmos intuited by Kemetians

                          The Pert em Hru is the oldest book of Scripture in the world. It's where the Bible, Qur'an and Torah and all so the Tree of Life in Kabalah.

                          The Pert is popularly, but erroneously known as the Egyptian Book of the Dead because Arab tomb raiders called the copies they found "kitaabi-m-mayyit" (books of the dead men). Like some corpses today are buried with Bibles, ancient Egyptians were often buried with scrolls of the Pert em Hru.

                          The title is correctly translated "Coming Forth By Day," "Coming Forth Awake" or "Becoming Awake."

                          The above passage indicates that the Kemeties were indeed monotheistic. The gods were but "names" (attributes" of Nu. that principle was borrowed by the Muslims who consider 99 names of Allah to be various attributes of the One God, not separate, independently existing deities.

                          Epistemology of Religious Concepts

                          Just as chemistry developed out of ancient alchemical experiments, relativity developed from Newtonian physics and quantum physics emerged from relativity, so also religious principles and concepts have epistemological roots.

                          People will readily admit, for example, that Democracy developed out of the Magna Carta, French Revolution, Roman Senate and Greek Republic, but they didn't ...they also tend to think religion popped up in a vacuum.

                          It did not. Most principles of religion were borrowed from the same Africans that Socrates, Plato and Aristotle sought to learn philosophy, wisdom and democracy.

                          Most Westerners would be shocked to discover that democracy was the standard form of government throughout most of Africa thousands of years before the Greeks left barbarism. But that is the discussion for another time.

                          Dogon cosmology myth is the same story of Christ and the trinity
                          • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                            Sat, May 17, 2008 - 3:42 PM


                            The Secrets of the Pyramids

                            Dogon and Zulu High Science: Keys to Overstanding History, Mystery, and Prophecy

                            DOG STAR
                            people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...c1bea3ef84

                            The Story of Ausar: The King of Peace
                            tribes.tribe.net/kmt/threa...56b6aa7baf

                            Pert em Hru erroneously known as the Book of the Dead
                            people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...ebdef2fd67

                            God Star*/Dog Star
                            people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...3b3346b3ba

                            Here’s the whole metaphysical cosmic story of what Ancient Egypt (KMT) symbolizes; the Nubians built the pyramids which tells this same Dogon story, as well as the “Book of the Dead” and all art symbolism on the walls of Egypt…and how we return to immortality…the duat, the “weighing of the heart against the feather” and the true story of Christ - the Hero ..all religions, math and sciences, numbers, language, Astrology, Kabbal, Hinduism, Tao, Xians, Buddha, Tarot, Philosophy, etc all originate here.

                            Cosmic Perspective on Mars'Retro Station Conjunct Star Sirius
                            people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...084a667627

                            Once upon a time in a land called Khem... (Nubian chemistry - alchemy) Sirius was a very important star to the ancient Kemeties, who called it the Star of Asar or the Nile Star. About 5,000 years ago, the helical rising of Sirius occurred earlier, around June 25.

                            When the Kemeties/Egyptians saw Sirius rising just before the Sun they knew it would soon be time for the flooding - inundation - of the Nile River, around which, all Kemet life was woven. They depended upon the flooding of the Nile for the fertility of their lands.

                            It was up to the Kemet priests, who attended to the calendar, to sight the first rising of Sirius. At the ancient temple of Isis-Hathor at Denderah, is a beautiful statue of Isis, located at the end of an aisle flanked by large columns. The statue was oriented to the rising of Sirius and priests would place a jewel in the goddess' forehead so that the light from the returning star would fall on the gem.

                            When the Kemet priests saw the light of Sirius upon the gem on the statue of Isis they would announce to the people that the New Year had begun.

                            There is an inscription on the temple which states: "Her majesty Isis shines into the temple on New Year's Day, and she mingles her light with that of her father Ra on the horizon."

                            The first time each year in which Sirius appears is called the heliacal rising of Sirius.

                            In Egypt this would be in the month of Thoth.

                            It would occur close to the Summer solstice and the time of the Nile's inundation.

                            The helical rising marked the beginning of the New Year which was held to be controlled by Isis.

                            ----

                            The original trinity came from ancient KMT

                            As Above, So Below

                            “Art thou not aware, O Asclepios, that Egypt is the image of heaven,
                            or rather, that it is the projection below of the order of things above?”
                            — Hermes Trismegistus

                            You may already know that many of the great monuments of early civilizations were astronomically aligned. The accurate cardinal orientation of the Great Pyramids at Giza in Egypt is outstanding examples. Giza seems to have been designed with very strict geometrical rules laid down from the start. If we want to understand the monuments of ancient Egypt, we have to think in terms of heaven and earth. "As above, so below", as the ancient hermetic texts put it.

                            The ancient civilization had constructed at Giza an exact replica of the Duat sky region. The Duat stars have provided the model for the complex of Giza pyramids, of this mysterious ancient temple. The Giza Pyramids serve one ultimate purpose, to indicate the Gateway to the Underworld (Duat) by pure geometry.

                            *SEE, these are the secrets of the pyramids
                            which we're designed from Orion the Dog Star ...

                            We fell to earth from the spirit world and now were all trying to make it back (earth is ancient Egypt’s “Death”) we'll keep coming back (reincarnation) until we learn to do right "the heart weighed against the feather" the pyramids were made for the transportation of our souls ...see? we’re really dead now (the Book of the Dead)...its Cosmology into astrology, it's a myth, yes it's SO true!

                            "Horatio! There are more things in heaven and earth,
                            than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
                            — William Shakespeare, "Hamlet".

                            The ancient Egyptians called the region of the heavens, of which Orion is a part, and which appears to be the pattern for the ground at Giza — the Duat.

                            The Fourth Star

                            "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be;
                            ... and there is no new thing under the sun."
                            — Ecclesiastes 1:9.

                            I have decided to look; there is a fourth small star in this point? It was a sight to see! The astronomical program has enlarged the image and I have seen the fourth star. And the position of this very small star corresponds to the position of the small pyramid near the Second pyramid!

                            The ancient civilization had constructed at Giza an exact replica of the Duat sky region. The Duat stars have provided the model for the complex of Giza pyramids, of this mysterious ancient temple. The Giza Pyramids serve one ultimate purpose, to indicate the Gateway to the Underworld (Duat-*which is really going into the after world*) by pure geometry. In my opinion, the builders were part of a Global Earth Civilization that broke up about 6,500 years ago, and the massive Giza Pyramids are their relics that survived from the end of their civilization.

                            They have warned us.

                            This explains the purpose of all ten pyramids of the Giza plateau: and the sphinx and all the gods and goddesses of ancient Greece and Egypt

                            Four pyramids are built as model of four stars (Dog Star-buddha-christ) of the Duat sky region...
                            • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                              Sat, May 17, 2008 - 4:06 PM
                              Since the God of Israel overcame easily the false gods of the Egyptians, whom you hold dear, it is understandable why you would do your best to attempt to discredit Him and try to wipe out all archeological evidence of known Israel.

                              "The things the Gentiles sacrifice to, they sacrifice unto devils, and not unto me."

                              Go, worship them, Ra, Horus, and the like are nothing and will not profit you. They have shown their worthlessness in the past.

                              Continue to fulfil the Scriptures and set up your one world religion. We know its outcome :)
                          • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                            Sat, May 17, 2008 - 4:02 PM


                            I should have started with this post about the dogon

                            tribes.tribe.net/kmt/threa...34122b89a3

                            The myths of the Dogon tribesmen of Mail, West Africa, contain astronomical knowledge which the native people could have neither learned by themselves nor guessed. Obviously, the researchers say, some more advanced civilization told them. These fascinating Dogon legends speak of Jupiter's four moons and Saturn's rings, which were not seen by human beings until the invention of the telescope. They speak of the star Sirius and of a pair of invisible companions. One of them circles Sirius every fifty years, the legends declare, and is made of a metal that is the heaviest thing in the universe. Astronomers have discovered that such an object (called "Sirius-B") does exist but only the most sophisticated and sensitive instruments -- unavailable, of course, to the Dogons -- can detect it." from The Sirius Mystery, by James Oberg

                            Dogon and Zulu High Science: Creation
                            tribes.tribe.net/kmt/threa...1a424e8bdd

                            When I begin this topic and discussion, I was having a debate with Atheist in another tribe, I started with "Beginnings and The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate..."

                            these was about god (Divine) and the story of creation - what i didn't share, most thought it was some modern scientific article, it was actually written over 8, 000 years ago and our Science today is just know getting close to what Kemetians have know for so long just imagine all the billions of $ dollars that have went into science just to come to the same conclusions as what the Kemetians intuited -

                            How did they (kmt) do it?

                            Beginnings
                            people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...edf4bf9c6a

                            The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question!
                            people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...1229ae82a0
                            • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                              Sat, May 17, 2008 - 4:29 PM

                              Pics of the Dogon people
                              www.crystalinks.com/dogon.html - More Pics www.dogon-lobi.ch/index_1024.htm

                              ------

                              "What is Atlantis? yes we know the myth, but what's its real significance ?"

                              here is the original story of Noah’s ark and it symbolizes rebirth, revitalization, all the evil washed away to start a new

                              All religions — ours included — center on the story of Atlantis (Eden) and of its Fall (Adam's) and destruction by the Flood, as well as on the hope of its rebirth at the Millennium.

                              These were the great continents of civilizations. Pangea, Lemuria and Atlantis all three-were a part of the original landmass.
                              Think of what the world would have looked like when the continents connected ....

                              *The civilizations of Pangea, Lemuria and Atlantis (*PLEASE if nothing else just glance at this website) when we were one
                              www.crystallotus.com/Pillars/001.htm

                              The civilizations of Pangea, Lemuria and Atlantis (kmt tribe articles-The Great Flood)
                              tribes.tribe.net/kmt/threa...31ec6a0852

                              Atlantis actually existed, and was indeed destroyed by the sea in a cataclysmic event. Plato's account was wrong in several essential ways, but was derived from correct, if garbled, historical accounts. Plato's writings embodied the now lost words of Solon, a Greek ruler who visited Egypt circa 590 BC. Plato's account of Atlantis was thus a retelling of the story of Solon, who in turn told the stories that he had heard during his trip to Egypt.

                              To identify the deluge-legend you must know how to look for it; no use in peering through the Semitic spectacles. The legend of Atlantis re-told by Plato in Timaeus was Egyptian, and no doubt with the legend came the name of lost Atlantis, transliterated through the Greek. As Egyptian, the word atr=atl has several meanings in relation to water.

                              Atru is the water, the water-flood, the water-boundary, limit, measure, frontier, embankment. Egyptian in the early stages had no sign of . But by substitution of the later letter for r the word atr becomes atl, the root of such names as Atlantis and Atlantic. With this change of letter the Atarantes of Africa become the Atalantes. The word antu or anti signifies a division of land. Thus Atlanti, whence Atlantis, as a compound of two Egyptian words, denotes the land divided by the waters, or canals of water.

                              The first Universal language; the language of Mu (EL Mu'uria) meaning "Serpent God." The EL Mu'urians (Lemurians) were great mariners, who founded settlements all over the Earth; often called the Moors (Mu'urs), the great Navigators. The first records of RE-li-gion are more than 70,000 years old. They tell us that a body of trained masters from Mu, called Naacals (Serpent Kings), were carrying to her various colonies and colonial empires, copies of the Motherland's Sacred Inspired RE-li-gion (Spirituality). These Naacals formed in each country uni-versities for the teaching of the priestcraft RE-li-gion, and the sciences. The priesthoods that were formed in these uni-versities, in turn taught the people. The Naacal writings are also called Neferit, or Medu Neter (words of god)

                              ----

                              'Lemuria' (a French word that means "Land of The Moors") is an antediluvian nation (A nation that existed before the Great Flood ATLANTIS) that memory has been retained by various cultural traditions. In Western terms, Lemuria is supposed be a continent that was once where the Pacific Ocean is now located. It connected India, East Africa, and South America. It is also referred to as Gondwanaland, the lost continent below the Pacific.

                              Lemuria is supposed to be the most ancient of nations and the original birthplace of humanity. When this continent sank due to cataclysmic Earth changes, a remnant of humanity was saved and founded what is known as Atlantis. Atlantis is considered another antediluvian nation. Ancient Egyptian civilization is supposed to be the offspring of Atlantis, a remnant escaping its cataclysmic sinking to the bottom of where the Atlantic Ocean is currently located.

                              "From where does the Kemetic root origin of this word spring? Ancient Egypt: Light of the World explores the language of the Nile Valley for a root of the Greek term Atlantis. He says that Atlantis is a compound word composed of two Kemetic terms: Atl-Antu. Atl is associated with water, and implies a limit or boundary marked by water. Massey says that Antu denotes a measure of land, nome, or mound. Therefore, the seven islands of Atlantis were the seven nomes of Kemet; canals and/or rivers defined the boundaries of these city-states. Massey continues":

                              And among the nomes of Egypt we find the nome of the Prince of Annu; the nome of the Prince of Lower Egypt; the nome of Supti (Sut); the nome of Sanhutit (Heru); the nome of Sebek; the nome of Shu; the nome of Hapi. Here then, if anywhere on earth, we find a geographical prototype for the Atlantis that was lost in seven islands, according to the records kept by the astronomers, which are preserved in the mythography…

                              So, in this sense, the Antediluvian Land is the Nile Valley topography from its origins in the Great Lakes South all the way North to the Delta; and Atlantis refers to a time before the Flood Waters in Kemet.
                          • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                            Sat, May 17, 2008 - 4:19 PM
                            You fall into the foolish trap of thinking that one particular culture invented archetypes, when in fact archetypes are inherent in human culture itself. It's not that the Egyptians invented the trinity. The trinity is an archetype readily available to any culture. We see it in the family structure itself: man, woman, and child. It's where the Bible, Qur'an and Torah and all so the Tree of Life in Kabalah.

                            You are being foolishly oversimplistic. Yes, Kabbalah probably derives to some extent from Egyptian esotericism. Yes, the Abrahamic religions were influenced by the culture they came in contact with, including, but certainly not limited to, the Egyptians. That does not even come close to debunking the existence of some of its famous figures. The famous figures themselves were probably influenced by other cultures and religions(the Bible itself claims that King Solomon began worshipping pagan gods).


                            "Most Westerners would be shocked to discover that democracy was the standard form of government throughout most of Africa thousands of years before the Greeks left barbarism."

                            No, that would be anarchy, not democracy. Hunter-gatherer societies have very little hierarchy. All the great civilizations of Africa, however, were kingdoms, just like the first civilizations in the Middle East.
                            • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                              Sat, May 17, 2008 - 4:54 PM

                              Jon you're young...and I'm not going to waste any more time on you ...you have been given a start perhaps you'll seek the truth

                              and you don't know a thing about African history- and your (his-story is whitewashed )

                              go ahead, believe in a white Jesus all you want, and that the current Jews a are the so called "Chosen people",
                              if nothing else I hope you see who those people really were Ethiopians

                              >"when in fact archetypes are inherent in human culture itself."<

                              and human culture began with Africans the westerners had not yet been civilized - they get all they're culture from us Africans who populated and traveled the globe. White people are really black people who lost their pigmentation when Africans traveled north

                              The theme of this Thread takes us to the very core of the future of human interaction by seeking to examine Western knowledge, its structure, its relationship to conquest and domination, and its prosecution as an instrument to retain a white racial hierarchy in the world.

                              We know that Africans have thought about the universe longer than any other people. The people of the world have been black longer than any other color.
                              .
                              The African tradition is intertwined with the earliest thought.
                              • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                                Sat, May 17, 2008 - 5:12 PM
                                I know a great deal about African history. It's not that you know less. It's just that things you know simply aren't true. But by all means, continue with your dogmatic bullshit. I'll take professional scholarship and known historical facts instead.
                                • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                                  Sat, May 17, 2008 - 5:39 PM
                                  I am inclined to agree with John. Unless you are ready to take off your racist rose coloured glasses, and step away from your false druid, wiccan, pagan, and "spiritual guide" advisors, I see no point in continuing discussion with you.

                                  You throw your wand and dismiss everything as fictional and never existed, yet you hold to your wild fantasies. Your knowlede of semantics and languages is appalling and way off base. Therefore speaking with you is like trying to build a house on ever shifting sand. There is no real foundation to build upon.

                                  I think I will take Janet's advice and get off of this merry-go-round as it is fruitless and I have more deserving people to attend to.

                                  You can continue to feed this thread like you do in your other tribes, because nobody is interested.

                                  I see it like this


                                  Prov 29:9 If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.


                                  • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                                    Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:09 PM

                                    who said anything about anyone being superior? and yes, exclusion which is what you're trying to do with me and this topic, which none of you have addressed, it's like you all have a guilty conscious or something...or trying to hide from it

                                    please get over race ...the contention is our true history was stolen and changed ....and now its got no rhythm

                                    "wigga"???

                                    aLright you just set it off

                                    "SAY IT LOUD I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD "

                                    they just don’t get it! western railer park trash just don’t get it! We know you are afraid! The tiny minority that thinks they're in “psychological control” through the use of terror and systems of oppression (JUST LOOK AT GRIMMS PROFILE he's SiC with-it). This makes you extremely vulnerable! We know you are afraid of the FACT that your system of racism white supremacy is coming to an end. That is why you come here absolutely paranoid about “WHAT WE THINK OF OURSELVES AND OUR OWN ANCESTORS”.

                                    I do not hate white people, and anybody that does is making a mistake. I do hate the white system of oppression, exploitation, and all those that support it (Black Uncle Tom SAMBOs and white alike0- LOKI THAT MEANS YOU). My comments are directed to them alone (regardless of their numbers). The main thing these white supremist “SLIMEING” this tribe and the Earth don’t understand is that WE DON”T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. This thread is for us to discuss religion of our people and how it got changed by your past. There is nothing these "evils" can do to effect how we think of ourselves once we have been exposed to the truth.

                                    I am a witness to this for I can say the I was an unconscious sell out at one time. Now, I will give my life to clear up the madness and corrupted lies`. Now, enough with the racist talk….slung feast enough!

                                    Sirius, we never had a change to exchange ideas, these postings were markers nothing more to set up my argument
                                    we never set an agenda you don't know my true views of Christianity - they still need to be explained - i got side tracked with Jon which turned out to be the right direction - we still haven't had our conversation and Gerald Massey articulates it well, but he is by far not my resource - you people should know this more than any one being Astrologers and all - that's why i came here - it is written in the stars
                                    the language is for me not for you ... and kmt is real
                                • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                                  Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:15 PM

                                  "I know a great deal about African history."

                                  you know what your western clorox text books tell you ...

                                  if you want to know Africa you have to speak and learn from Africans
                                  • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                                    Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:16 PM

                                    Why do you call yourself Sirius?
                                    • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                                      Sun, May 18, 2008 - 9:21 AM

                                      just a few resources...

                                      Cheikh Anta Diop

                                      www.cwo.com/~lucumi/diop.html

                                      africawithin.com/diop/diop.htm

                                      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheikh_Anta_Diop

                                      Dr. Molefi Kete Asante

                                      www.asante.net/

                                      africawithin.com/asante/mo...asante.htm

                                      www.africawithin.com/asante/...ods.html

                                      Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan
                                      www.nbufront.org/html/Mast...useum.html

                                      "It would be of extreme importance that the average parishoner have some kind of understanding of the chronoligical development and order in which the King James Authorized Version of the Old and New Testament came about. ...," etc.

                                      Dedicated to Truth yet always mindful that
                                      All faith is FALSE, all faith is TRUE
                                      TRUTH is the shattered mirrors strewn
                                      In myriad bits; while each BELIEVES
                                      his LITTLE BIT the whole to own

                                      A Chronology of the Bible
                                      www.nbufront.org/html/Mast...hrono.html

                                      africawithin.com/jochannan/dr_ben.htm

                                      Dr. Kwame Nantambu

                                      Ancient Egyptians wrote the Holy Bible
                                      www.trinicenter.com/kwame/20...92002.htm

                                      Afrika-centered look at Christianity
                                      www.trinicenter.com/kwame/2006/0906.htm

                                      Original Glory not out of Greece
                                      www.trinicenter.com/kwame/2004/2010.htm

                                      Home page
                                      www.trinicenter.com/kwame/

                                      The Egyptian Great Year And Christianity
                                      www.trinicenter.com/Gilkes/2002/0801.htm

                                      "Orthodox" Christianity and the birth of European Nationalism
                                      www.trinicenter.com/Gilkes/2002/0902.htm

                                      The Virtual Museums of the Masters Directory
                                      www.nbufront.org/html/Mast...seums.html

                                      Kemetic / Egyptian Origin of Christianity
                                      (great site it shows the comparable religions side by side)
                                      www.kemetway.com/massey1.htm

                                      Gerald Massey
                                      africawithin.com/massey/ge...massey.htm

                                      bio
                                      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Massey

                                      Alvin Boyd Kuhn
                                      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Boyd_Kuhn



                                      Traditions

                                      There are no people without traditions and traditions are the lifeblood of a people. A people who refuse to express its love and appreciation for its ancestors will die because in traditions, if you are not expressing your own, you are participating in and expressing faith in someone else's ancestors. No person is devoid of an attachment to some cultural fountain. Whose water are we drinking?

                                      Our African history has been a recent orgy of forgetfulness. We have often lost our memories and accepted the gods of those who enslaved and colonized us. This is something the Chinese and the Indians have fought hard to keep at bay. While we have often embraced our enemies gods they have found those gods to be anathema to their interests. Show me the gods we Africans worship and I will show the extent of our moral and ethical decay.

                                      Those who speak to us of Christian or Islamic morals have often been the very ones who had defiled our ancestors' memories and called out sacred rites paganism.

                                      What would be anymore pagan than the wanton willful destruction of millions of Africans, Jews, Native Americans, and Chinese by Christians Europeans? How could white men pray to a god on the second floor of a slave dungeon while on the first floor they held our ancestors, yours and mine, in horrible bondage? What kind of religion denied our humanity at the same time they were raping our women, brutalizing our children, and demanding our wealth and our souls?

                                      -Dr. Molefi Kete Asante
                                      • I AM the Angel of Capricorn

                                        Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:58 AM

                                        Sirius, you will not ignore me - you are an astro-twin just as passionate, funny, brilliant, and knowledgeble

                                        I AM Angel of Capricorn (introducing the Aquarian age of Atlantis)
                                        people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...12cf003743

                                        The Rumblings of Humanity
                                        - Patrick H. Freeman

                                        The people are starting to hear a noise from the earth. They ask what is this disturbance in nature? humanity is being seen through another light of today.

                                        That light is the rumbling of humanity in need of change. Most of our young are realizing that something is wrong here, they ask why is it that our culture has become so rooted in evil? The streets have become war zones fueled by inequity, and drugs.

                                        The mother's tears continue to flow in the streets because young lives are being vanquished. These are the questions that rumble from the earth, and now we must demand change. This country brags about the greatest economic boom in history, yet the poor still suffer, and fight just to provide the very necessities of life. Yet we believe that all is well under conditions of I chaos.

                                        What is wrong with you? Don't you recognize the rumblings of humanity demanding that you change your conduct back to the Order? We have become the virtual puppets of evil in our communities. The agenda of ruthless behavior has set its agenda, and you take the bait and find your self caught in the trap once again. No matter how much you try to deny it we are supposed to live by universal law.

                                        Don't you hear the rumblings of the earth?

                                        The very soul of a people is in need of a spiritual cleansing before we bury more innocent children influenced by their lack of knowledge. This is why we hear the rumblings of the earth today. Humanity has disrespected mother earth so badly that the water is no longer fit to drink without filtration.

                                        The time demands that we accept

                                        who we are... is NoW!
                                        • Re: I AM the Angel of Capricorn

                                          Mon, May 19, 2008 - 11:25 AM


                                          John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
                                          • Re: I AM the Angel of Capricorn

                                            Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:07 PM

                                            "the Kingdom of heaven is within you" -Jesus

                                            "I Can of Mine Own Self Do Nothing, the Father That Dwelleth in Me, He Doeth the Works" -Jesus

                                            John 8 :13

                                            So the Pharisees said to him, "You testify on your own behalf, so your testimony cannot be verified."

                                            Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I do testify on my own behalf, my testimony can be verified, because I know where I came from and where I am going. But you do not know where I come from or where I am going.

                                            You judge by appearances, but I do not judge anyone.

                                            And even if I should judge, my judgment is valid, because I am not alone, but it is I and the Father who sent me.

                                            Even in your law it is written that the testimony of two men can be verified.

                                            I testify on my behalf and so does the Father who sent me."

                                            So they said to him, "Where is your father?" Jesus answered, "You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

                                            "I am going away and you will look for me, but you will die in your sin. Where I am going you cannot come."

                                            He said to them, "You belong to what is below, I belong to what is above. You belong to this world, but I do not belong to this world.

                                            That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."

                                            So they said to him, "Who are you?" Jesus said to them, "What I told you from the beginning.

                                            I have much to say about you in condemnation. But the one who sent me is true, and what I heard from him I tell the world."

                                            They did not realize that he was speaking to them of the Father (Amen).

                                            "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I AM, and that I do nothing on my own, but I say only what the Father taught me.

                                            The one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I always do what is pleasing to him."

                                            "If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples,

                                            and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

                                            They answered him, "We are descendants of Abraham and have never been enslaved to anyone. How can you say, 'You will become free'?"

                                            Jesus answered them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.

                                            I know that you are descendants of Abraham. But you are trying to kill me, because my word has no room among you.

                                            18 I tell you what I have seen in the Father's presence; then do what you have heard from the Father."

                                            But now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God; Abraham did not do this.

                                            "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and am here; I did not come on my own, but he sent me.

                                            Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot bear to hear my word

                                            You belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

                                            But because I speak the truth, you do not believe me.

                                            Can any of you charge me with sin? If I am telling the truth, why do you not believe me?

                                            Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not listen, because you do not belong to God."

                                            Jesus answered, "I am not possessed; I honor my Father, but you dishonor me.

                                            I do not seek my own glory; there is one who seeks it and he is the one who judges.

                                            Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever keeps my word will never see death."

                                            Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is worth nothing; but it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, 'He is our God.'

                                            You do not know him, but I know him. And if I should say that I do not know him, I would be like you a liar.
                                            But I do know him and I keep his word.

                                            Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."

                                            So they picked up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple area.

                                            • Re: The Real I AM

                                              Tue, May 20, 2008 - 6:18 AM
                                              Exodus 3:13-14 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
                                              14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

                                              Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

                                              Isaiah 43:10-11 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
                                              I, even I, AM the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


                                              Isaiah 46:4-5 And even to your old age I AM HE; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.
                                              5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?


                                              Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, AM HE that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.


                                              Isaiah 51:12 I, even I, AM HE that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;


                                              Isaiah 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I AM HE that doth speak: behold, it is I

                                              Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (the name of Jesus)

                                              Isaiah 48:12-13 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM HE; I am the first, I also am the last.
                                              13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

                                              Revelation 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
                                              18 I AM HE that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

                                              John 8:24-25 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
                                              25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning


                                              John 13:18-1918 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
                                              19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I AM HE.

                                              John 8:56-58 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
                                              57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
                                              58 Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. (See Genesis chapter 18)


                                              John 18:4-6 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?
                                              5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I AM HE. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
                                              6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I AM HE, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

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                                              Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.


                                              Isaiah 45:5-6 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
                                              6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.


                                              Isaiah 31:3 Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the LORD shall stretch out his hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen shall fall down, and they all shall fail together.

                                              Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God

                                              Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee

                                              Isaiah 14:13-15 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
                                              14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
                                              15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

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                                              Isaiah 19:1-4 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.
                                              2 And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.
                                              3 And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.
                                              4 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.
                                              • Re: The Real I AM

                                                Tue, May 20, 2008 - 10:21 AM

                                                Let's compare what Jesus said to what Horus said...How can these two say the exact thing?

                                                Yet Horus (Heru) is thousands of years older...?

                                                The Sayings

                                                Some of the Sayings attributed to Jesus have been *colour matched with the originals by Horus to make them a little easier to pick out.

                                                Please see the website for comparables
                                                home.austarnet.com.au/calum/e...#Sayings

                                                Literalist Christians may not be able to understand the Sayings, - as has been the case for more than two thousand years - Luke 8:10 "And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand." John 16:12 and 25 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

                                                No explanation was ever given in the Canonical Gospels, and one must read the Gnostic Gospels to learn the mysteries, and then go back to Ancient Egyptian ritual texts before the real meanings are revealed.

                                                The Christian who relies purely and solely on his or her Bible, will always remain in the dark, never being able to advance their spiritual life towards God's Kingdom.

                                                -"Ancient Egypt" - "It is an utterance of the truth that is eternal to say that Horus as the son of God had previously been all the Gospel Jesus is made to say he is, or is to become.

                                                Horus and the father were one. Jesus says, "I and my Father are one". "He that seeth me, seeth him that sent me" (John 12:45).

                                                Horus is the father seen in the son (Rit., 115).

                                                Jesus claims to be the son in whom the father is revealed.

                                                Horus was the light of the world, the light that is represented by the symbolical eye, the sign of salvation. Jesus is made to declare that he is the light of the world.

                                                Horus was the way, the truth, the life, by name and in person.

                                                Jesus is made to assert that he is the way, the truth, and the life.

                                                Horus was the plant, the shoot, the natzer. Jesus is made to say, "I am the true vine". The deceased says, "I spring up as a plant" (Rit., 83, 1). The deceased, in the character of Horus, or one with him by assimilation, also makes these claims for himself. Hence the sayings - the sayings which are repeated in the Gospels, more especially in the Gospel according to John = Aan.

                                                To parallel a few of the sayings in the Gospels with those of the Ritual: In the Gospel according to John, Jesus says of himself, "I am the bread of life" (John 6:35), "I am the light of the world" (John 8:12), "I am the door of the sheep" (John 10:7), "I am the good shepherd" (John 10:11), "I am the resurrection and the life" (John 11:25), "I am the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), "I am the true vine" (John 15:1). And Horus was the original in all seven characters.

                                                Horus was the bread of life, also the divine corn from which the bread of life was made (Rit., ch. 83). Horus was the good shepherd who carries the crook upon his shoulder. Horus was the door of entrance into Amenta, which none but he could open. Horus was the resurrection and the life. He carries the two symbols of resurrection and of life eternal, the hare-headed sceptre, and the Ankh-key in his hands. Horus was the way. His name is written with the sign of the road (Heru).

                                                Horus was the true vine, as the branch of Osiris, who is himself the vine in person. Now the original of all these identifiable characters could occur but once, and that prototype was Horus, or Jesus in the cult of Atum-Ra.

                                                Horus says, "It is I who traverse the heaven. I go round the Sekhet-Aarru (the Elysian fields). Eternity has been assigned to me without end. Lo! I am the heir of endless time, and my attribute is eternity" (Ritual, ch. 62). Jesus says, "I am come down from heaven. For this is the will of the Father that every one who beholdeth the son and believeth in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day". He, too, claims to be the lord of eternity.

                                                When Horus is "lifted up" to become glorified and is "Horus in his glory" (ch. 78), "master of his diadem", he says, "I raise myself up". Then he adds, "I stoop upon the Atit-bark that I may reach and raise to me those who are in their circles, and who bow down before me" as his worshippers (ch. 77). "And I", says Jesus, "if I be lifted up out of the earth (as Horus was lifted up from out the nether-world), will draw all men after me" (John 12:32/33).

                                                Horus says, "I open the Tuat that may drive away the darkness". Jesus says, "I am come a light into the world". Horus says, "I am equipped with thy words of power, O Ra" (the father in heaven) (ch. 32), "and repeat them to those who are deprived of breath" (ch. 38). These were the words of the father in heaven. Jesus says, "The Father which sent me, he hath given me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father hath said unto me, so I speak" (John 12: 49/50). "The word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me "(John 14:24).

                                                Horus repeated to his followers that which his father Osiris had said to him in the early time (Rit., 78). Jesus says, "As the Father taught me, I speak these things" (John 8:28). "All things that I heard from my Father I have made known unto you" (John 15:15).

                                                Horus comes on earth to report what he has known and heard and seen and handled with the father. "I have touched with my two hands the heart of Osiris". "That which I went to ascertain I have come to tell". "I know the mysterious paths and the gates of Aarru (or Paradise) from whence I come. Here am I, and I come that I may overthrow mine adversaries on earth, though my dead body be buried" (Renouf, ch. 86).

                                                Now, this word that was in the beginning had already manifested as the "sayer" of the sayings in the Ritual. This is he who says, "I have come forth with the tongue of Ptah and the throat of Hathor (Iusãas) that I may record the words of my father Atum with my mouth".

                                                That is, as the utterer of the "sayings" which were ascribed to the Egyptian Jesus as Iu-em-hetep, the son of Hathor-Iusãas and Atum-Ra. We have no need to go further back for the beginning of the Word, as utterer of the sayings.

                                                The canonical Gospels are based upon the "sayings" of Jesus; the Jesus that we claim to have been the son of Atum at On; genealogically, the grandson of Ptah at Memphis, and the author of the books of wisdom attributed to him as the Jesus of the Apocrypha, and Gospels of the Infancy.

                                                Enough has been cited to show that the revelation ascribed to Jesus, the Christ of the canonical Gospels, had been previously published in the Ritual of the resurrection and uttered by Iu the Su of Atum-Ra (Iusa = Jesus or Tum = Thomas), who was and is and ever will be the Egyptian Jesus independently of any personal historical character.

                                                The Egyptian Ritual contains the "sayings" or the words of wisdom that were attributed to Ra the inspiring holy spirit. As god the father this was Tum (or Thomas). The utterer of the "sayings" "with his mouth" was god the son, Iu (or Iu-em-hetep) the Su (son) who was Iu-Su, the ever-coming son in the religion of Annu, and Iusu when rendered through the Greek is 'Iesous' or Jesus."

                                                See MATTHEW For Further Explanation of Sayings.
                                                • Re: The Real I AM

                                                  Tue, May 20, 2008 - 2:53 PM
                                                  The Gospel of Thomas has been used by Jesus Myth theorists, such as Earl Doherty and Timothy Freke, as evidence that Christianity did not originate with a historical Jesus, but as a Jewish adaptation of the Greek mystery religions. The collection of teachings attributed to Jesus represent part of the initiation to the mysteries of their religion.

                                                  You can look at the gnostic Gospel of Thomas and see why it was rejected by early believers.:

                                                  Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females dont deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the domain of Heaven."

                                                  I am sure that any woman in this tribe can tell you that this is a bunch of hogwash, and if you think that there was some conspiracy to hide these uninspired untruths, you are sadly mistaken.
                                                  It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a theologian to figure it out.

                                                  www.equip.org/site/pp.aspx

                                                  Truth is, by nature, intolerant of falsehood.
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                                                    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 4:13 PM
                                                    That saying from the Gospel of Thomas is an attempt to refute the sexism prevalent of the time. And of course Thomas, which I believe is at least as authentic as the Gospel of Mark, is certainly not evidence of Jesus being a myth.

                                                    And there was a conspiracy during Constantine's reign to crush anything considered heresy. This is historical fact(something neither of you seem interested in). The reason the Gospel of Thomas and the gnostic gospels were rejected is because of their emphasis on mysticism, which took power away from the clergy, and put it in the hands of the people. The central message of the Gospel of Thomas is, "The Kingdom of God is within you."
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                                                      Tue, May 20, 2008 - 4:40 PM
                                                      How is that verse an attempt to refute sexism? If you look at it clearly, it promotes sexism.

                                                      Heresy didn't begin during the time of Constantine, that is when it was adressed by the state.
                                                      Paul and the other writers adressed it and gnosticism way before that. (Historical fact)
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                                                        Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:23 PM
                                                        "How is that verse an attempt to refute sexism? If you look at it clearly, it promotes sexism."

                                                        In our modern language, it certainly seems that way. But when you consider that he was addressing a sexist society, it was the best way he could defend Mary Magdalene, whom he loved more than all the other disciples, against their sexist attitudes.


                                                        "Paul and the other writers adressed it and gnosticism way before that. (Historical fact)"

                                                        Certainly others ADDRESSED what they percieved as heresy(their own beliefs were heresy to others). Some of Paul's letters can be seen as attacking gnosticism, though modern scholars only consider some of his letters authentic(Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, Phillipians, 1 Thessalonians, Philemon), while others are considered to have been forged by later writers trying to attribute their beliefs to him(Titus, Timothy, Colossians, Hebrews, Ephesians, 2 Thessalonians), so much of the denunciations of gnosticism are by later writers who want to lend credibility to their beliefs by attributing them to Paul.

                                                        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auth...e_epistles

                                                        In any case, the fact that people before constantine tried to establish an orthodoxy does not negate the fact that during and after Constantine's reign, there was a conspiracy to crush such unorthodox views.
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                                                          Tue, May 20, 2008 - 6:11 PM
                                                          I understand the society, and it was a Hebrew society, of whom customs and language I am very familiar with.
                                                          Jesus doesn't use untruths to defend people. As I said before it is very plain to see what is being said.

                                                          "For every female who makes herself male will enter the domain of Heaven."

                                                          Do you perhaps speak some other language where this defends Mary as a woman?

                                                          "though modern scholars only consider some of his letters authentic"

                                                          There are many so called scholars of liberal theology thinking that would refute anything that doesn't hold to their idealogies. Many resist the supernatural and prophetic.

                                                          But you will notice that Jesus and most of the writers of the New Testament quoted from the Hebrew scriptures, not from some othe so called book of wisdom. As a matter of fact, the New Testament isn't even needed to prove the Divinity of the Messiah. It is throughout the Hebrew scriptures.

                                                          Even the book of Isaiah alone, written around 700 B.C. proves such, as well as gives many prophecies of the Messiah,as well as His Diety, which the odds of them being fulfilled by one man are astronomical. The book of Isaiah was found among the other books discovered in Qumran, the Dead Sea Scrolls. These were copies that were made around 200 B.C. and are the same text that we use in Israel today. The books can be seen at the Shrine of the Book, in Israel.

                                                          I do not believe that the desire to protect the accuracy and purity of the true Word is a conspiracy, any more than a goldsmith would attempt to remove impurities from his work.
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                                                            Tue, May 20, 2008 - 6:17 PM
                                                            "There are many so called scholars of liberal theology thinking that would refute anything that doesn't hold to their idealogies. Many resist the supernatural and prophetic."

                                                            This has nothing to do with their beliefs, and everything to do with sophisticated literary analysis. It's also the way they are able to determine that the author of the Gospel of John is not the same John as the author of Revelations.


                                                            "I do not believe that the desire to protect the accuracy and purity of the true Word is a conspiracy, any more than a goldsmith would attempt to remove impurities from his work."

                                                            Of course. You're a dogmatist, rather than a thinker.
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                                                              Tue, May 20, 2008 - 6:23 PM
                                                              "Of course. You're a dogmatist, rather than a thinker."

                                                              Of course, you must be right. Uranus conjunct my Midheaven and trine to sixth house Mercury will also prove your point.
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                                                                Tue, May 20, 2008 - 9:29 PM
                                                                Well, at least you're honest and humble about it. I'm sorry I got on a little bit of a rampage tonight.
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                                                                  Wed, May 21, 2008 - 12:03 AM
                                                                  Lol Jon, if you actually knew anything about astrology, you would have realized, from the aspects that I gave, that I was being facetious and was actually disproving astrologically your false assumptions of me.

                                                                  But it's ok dude.
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                                                                Re: The Real I AM

                                                                Tue, May 20, 2008 - 9:34 PM
                                                                Oh!...(gasp).. an astrological reference...;)
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                                                                  Tue, May 20, 2008 - 9:59 PM
                                                                  "Oh!...(gasp).. an astrological reference...;)"

                                                                  Ya, seriously. I'm a little sick of the alternate history threads, and ready to start getting back to what this tribe is about.
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                                                                    Wed, May 21, 2008 - 12:15 AM

                                                                    This is about Astrology if we can just get to it ...

                                                                    Shouldn't one of your questions be - why are these Scrolls of the bible (Nag Hammadi Gospel of Thomas) being found in Egypt?

                                                                    that sexiest text was added later about Mary - meaning some pyscho added it later

                                                                    In Hebrew, the Holy Spirit, or ruach, is of a feminine gender. The soul is female. Some of the Gnostic sects assigned the soul to the female nature, and made their Charis not only anterior, but superior, to the Christ. In the Book of Wisdom it is Sophia herself who is the pre-Christian Saviour of mankind. It was Wisdom that men are taught, and she is the Saviour through knowledge and good works. Whereas the Christ was turned into a Saviour through faith.

                                                                    The Christ of the Gnostics was a mystical type continued from mythology to portray a spiritual reality of the interior life. Hence the Christ in this human phase could be female as well as male; Sophia as well as Jesus; the spirit of both sexes. It was impossible for such to become historical, or be made so, except by ignorantly mistaking a mythical Impersonation for a Hermaphrodite in Person!

                                                                    The Kemetic deity Tum (Thomas) has been converted into the Apostle Thomas.

                                                                    Nag Hammadi

                                                                    In 1945, an Arab made an archeological discovery in Upper Egypt of several ancient papyrus books. They have since referred to it as The Nag Hammadi texts. They contained fifty-two heretical books written in Coptic script which include gospels of Thomas, Philip, James, John, Thomas, and many others.

                                                                    Archeologists have dated them at around 350-400 C.E. They represent copies from previous copies. None of the original texts exist and scholars argue about a possible date of the originals

                                                                    Since these texts could only have its authors writing well after the alleged life of Jesus, they cannot serve as historical evidence of Jesus anymore than the canonical versions. Again, we only have “heretical” hearsay.

                                                                    GNOSTIC GOSPELS
                                                                    stupidreligion.com/

                                                                    ---

                                                                    When the New Testament was compiled, there were 25 or 30 variations of the Gospel in circulation, but only four were chosen because there were four winds, four points of the compass, four corners of the temple.

                                                                    The first Gospel written, attributed to Matthew, was written by an unidentified Greek 30 to 35 years after the death of Rabbi Yeshua (Jesus). The others came as long as 150 years later.

                                                                    The Gospel of John and the Revelation may have been written as late as 95 A.D.

                                                                    In the Thomas gospel, which was deleted from the New Testament at the Council of Nicea in the fourth century and only recently re-discovered as a 'Dead Sea Scroll," an apostle asks Jesus: "When will the kingdom of God Come?", and Jesus answered: "The Kingdom of God will not come by expectation. The Kingdom of God is all around us right now, we just choose not to see it."

                                                                    The State/Church did not like it, because it's a thing they can't control.

                                                                    ----

                                                                    Ancient Egyptian texts, including the Gnostic Gospels found at Nag Hammadi, remain virtually intact. The Egyptian texts date back at least three thousand years, and some to the Old Kingdom and even earlier. They predate the Dead Sea Scrolls by a minimum of one thousand years. It is true that some of these have been defaced, but only by the Priests of Amen who were trying to remove any trace of Akhenaten, the religion of the Hyksos Pharaohs, and the Hebrew God, Aten who in Greek became Adhon or Adonis. Fortunately thousands of the missing stones bearing texts from the days of Akhenaten have been recovered, painstakingly identified and put back into their original order, so that they can be read once more.

                                                                    The message from Ancient Egypt is therefore practically intact. We can easily see where the Bible stories originated, and with that knowledge we can unravel the Bible mysteries, and see where The Book was born, and what was the true meaning behind the Mysteries.

                                                                    When a large number of Hebrews did leave Egypt in search of a 'promised land', they took with them a religion that had its roots in Egypt and they needed to relocate it in their new home... Jerusalem

                                                                    How can we trust English translations and presentations of Egyptian Texts to have been faithfully interpreted without prejudice and as close as possible to the message the Scribes engraved and painted in temples and tombs? After all the Bible has proved to be false, why not translations of the Ancient Texts?

                                                                    ------


                                                                    Biblical Origins in Ancient Egypt
                                                                    home.austarnet.com.au/calum/egypt.html

                                                                    A large part of the Egyptian Book of the Dead consists of "sayings". The forty-second chapter contains at least fifty sayings uttered by Horus in person respecting himself, his father and his work of salvation. These are the sayings of Horus, or of the Osiris by whom they are repeated in character. And as Horus the divine word in person is the Lord whose name of Heru signifies the Lord, these sayings of Horus are the Logia Kuriaka; assuredly the oldest in the world, which we have now traced to Iu-em-hetep, the Egypto-gnostic Jesus as the sayer for Atum-Ra. These might be called the sayings of Ra or Horus, of Tum or Thomas, of Iu or Iu-em-hetep, of Aan, Taht or Hermes.


                                                                    The connection of the child with the widow in Egypt is already seen in the Gospel of Thomas or Tum (KMT)
                                                                    home.austarnet.com.au/calum/e...l#Thomas

                                                                    which goes far towards identifying the child-Jesus with the child of Isis. Moreover, the mystery shows us how the mother as Isis became a widow.

                                                                    When Osiris had been put to death, the birth of the child-Horus followed the decease of his father, and his mother was consequently the widow who had an only son in Horus, the only child of his mother. In the mystery of Tattu, child-Horus was raised up from the dead when Horus in the spirit came to the funeral couch and the immortal was blended with the mortal in the mystery of the resurrection. This is repeated in the Gospel as one of the most telling of the mysteries that were Christianized in the miracles.

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                                                                    NON-CHRISTIAN SOURCES
                                                                    Virtually all other claims of Jesus come from sources outside of Christian writings. Devastating to the claims of Christians, however, comes from the fact that all of these accounts come from authors who lived after the alleged life of Jesus. Since they did not live during the time of the hypothetical Jesus, none of their accounts serve as eyewitness evidence.

                                                                    ---

                                                                    Jesus Police
                                                                    www.jesuspolice.com/

                                                                    The Historical Jesus and Mythical Christ (GREAT Resource)
                                                                    africawithin.com/massey/gm...christ.htm

                                                                    THE GNOSTIC SOCIETY LIBRARY
                                                                    www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm
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                                                                      Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:35 AM
                                                                      "Shouldn't one of your questions be - why are these Scrolls of the bible (Nag Hammadi Gospel of Thomas) being found in Egypt?"

                                                                      Duh, maybe because it was part of the Roman Empire at the time? If you think that's any kind of argument whatsoever, you're positively retarded. I suppose that since statues of the Buddha have been found in the Middle East, that Buddhism must've began there, right?

                                                                      Also, you make the classic mistake of confusing the Nag Hammadi Library with the Dead Sea Scrolls. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. The Nag Hammadi Library was found in Egypt, and it is believed that the Coptic texts were derived from earlier Greek texts. The Library consisted of lost gnostic texts that were banned by the orthodox church under Constantine.

                                                                      The Dead Sea Scrolls, on the other hand, are JEWISH texts found in ISRAEL. They are believed to have been written by the Essenes during the time period in which Jesus lived, and give a picture of that time period, as well as some of the oldest surviving copies of the Old Testament.


                                                                      "The Kemetic deity Tum (Thomas) has been converted into the Apostle Thomas."

                                                                      Nope. "Thomas" is the Hebrew word meaning "twin," indicating he may have looked like Jesus. It was a nickname for an apostle named Judas, but who was referred to as Thomas to avoid confusion with the other Judas.



                                                                      "Archeologists have dated them at around 350-400 C.E. They represent copies from previous copies. None of the original texts exist and scholars argue about a possible date of the originals"

                                                                      The arguments center around textual context, and since Thomas is a sayings gospel(much like the hypothetical "Q" document) and contains sayings which later made it into the canonical gospels, it is likely to be one of earliest gospels written.



                                                                      "When a large number of Hebrews did leave Egypt in search of a 'promised land', they took with them a religion that had its roots in Egypt and they needed to relocate it in their new home... Jerusalem"

                                                                      Certainly they would have picked up elements of Egyptian religion(possibly the Atenist heresy), just as they picked up elements of Sumerian religion and Zoroastrianism, and just as Christianity later picked up elements of Greek religion. That does not mean the Israelites did not have their own history and beliefs written into the Bible as well.



                                                                      "This is repeated in the Gospel as one of the most telling of the mysteries that were Christianized in the miracles."

                                                                      Resurrection is a recurring motif in many different religions. One can see this mystery in daily life as the sun goes down below the horizon into the underworld and is "resurrected" the following day. Does this mean the resurrection of Jesus never happened? Not necessarily. Certainly there are scientific reasons to doubt it, but of course it is a matter of faith, and having it occur in other mythologies does not detract from that. Furthermore, the account of Jesus' resurrection differs in a number of details from that of other resurrection myths.



                                                                      Here's what it comes down to for me: If Jesus was the savior, then I would EXPECT him to embody all these aspects of other deities. Also, if Jesus was a myth, one would expect that myth to develop slowly over time, rather than appearing suddenly at a specific time in the first century AD.
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                                                                        Wed, May 21, 2008 - 12:14 PM

                                                                        Jon I believe the Spirit of Christ to be real, and I'm trying to work this out myself

                                                                        I just can't ignore what I've discovered in and about Ancient Egypt

                                                                        The Nag Hammadi Gospel were written in Coptic or Coptic Egyptian which is the final stage of the Egyptian language,
                                                                        a Afro-Asiatic language spoken in Egypt until at least the seventeenth century CE.

                                                                        >"I suppose that since statues of the Buddha have been found in the Middle East, that Buddhism must've began there, right?"<

                                                                        Buddha (Ptah Putah or Phutah) began in Africa Kemet - Africans migrated to Indian and Asia

                                                                        See my Blog for details and Pics
                                                                        people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...ddcbc580a7

                                                                        Yes you are correct about the documents of the Dead Sea Scrolls being different
                                                                        The Essenes are a Negroid race the true Hebrews (that's only important when it comes down to understanding the origins and the true documents)

                                                                        >Nope. "Thomas" is the Hebrew word meaning "twin," indicating he may have looked like Jesus."<

                                                                        according to your same sources they are saying Jesus had a twin, come on now how about we wake up and smell the coffee

                                                                        How is it that I'm able to match up every book in the bible with the Book of the Dead from Kemet? Is this just some miraculous
                                                                        coincidence?

                                                                        " if Jesus was a myth, one would expect that myth to develop slowly over time, rather than appearing suddenly at a specific time in the first century AD."

                                                                        it has and did, do you not know

                                                                        The word Christ is from Krishna (Christna) from karast or krist, Egyptian for the annointed mummy,
                                                                        the great black avatar (savior) in India 3000 years before Jesus.

                                                                        This includes Krishna of India (1200BC), Tammuz of Syria (1160BC), Iao of Nepal (622BC), Quetzalcoatl of Mexico (587BC), Mithra of Persia (600BC) and others. Jesus the Christ of Hebraic folklore would be the most recent addition to this pantheon.

                                                                        Sirius (Dog Star) was Heru (Horus) it’s where the word Hero comes from and the Hero’s journey, who was the son/sun king
                                                                        Who was also; Buddha, Orpheus, Dionysus, Mithra, Adonis, Tammuz, Hercules, Superman, Luke skywalker and so on.
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                                                                          Wed, May 21, 2008 - 2:21 PM
                                                                          "Buddha (Ptah Putah or Phutah) began in Africa Kemet - Africans migrated to Indian and Asia"

                                                                          I suppose next you're going to tell me that Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were black. While it's true that everyone in some sense migrated out of Africa, since our species evolved there, it's absolutely stupid to make these kind of ridiculous claims. It's quite clear that the Buddha was of Aryan(Persian-Indian) descent, and that he lived in India where he criticised the power of the Brahmans. The Bo Tree, under which he gained enlightenment, does not grow in Africa.


                                                                          "How is it that I'm able to match up every book in the bible with the Book of the Dead from Kemet? Is this just some miraculous coincidence?"

                                                                          Actually it's because you do these semantic aerobatics where any words that sound similar, you automatically attribute it to Egypt, and any stories which have any remotely similar themes, you claim they are taken directly from the Egyptians, as if these themes weren't universal human experiences. This isn't some miraculous coincidence. You're just PROFOUNDLY full of shit.


                                                                          "The word Christ is from Krishna (Christna) from karast or krist, Egyptian for the annointed mummy,
                                                                          the great black avatar (savior) in India 3000 years before Jesus."

                                                                          WRONG! "Christ" comes from the Greek word "Christos," meaning "anointed one." It is a translation of the Hebrew word "meshiach" or "messiah," which means the same thing. It is exactly this kind of phoenetic misattribution which drives your delusions.

                                                                          "Krishna" means "dark," which I'm sure you're ready to pounce on, but in the context of where he was from, it probably means he was of Dravidian descent.
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                                                                            Re: The Real I AM

                                                                            Wed, May 21, 2008 - 3:01 PM
                                                                            Jesus - or any entity for that matter - will probably not be coming to save us.

                                                                            IMO, our mandate is to "find and fulfill" our own collective destiny, as well as each of us our own.

                                                                            I think The Gods - whatever face we choose to put on them - lend a hand from time to time to those who find their own paths in the "right way" through life. It doesn't mean being perfect; it's means being open and curious and willing to try, willing to take the steps you need to take when you need to in the best way you know how. By doing so, we find our own versions of heaven in our lives that can sometimes be richy and vividly hued; sometimes muted and more sublime, or a pasty grey if we choose to live in/operate from our fears and our own-self-centeredness.

                                                                            It seems to me that overly convoluted prattle confuses the issue, obscuring our view of the things we seek to have in our lives, spiritual and otherwise.

                                                                            What would be the fun of it all if we knew all the answers, had everything laid out correctly before us right of the bat?

                                                                            ~V~
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                                                                            Wed, May 21, 2008 - 10:10 PM

                                                                            the only thing stupid is that you keep putting your foot in your mouth

                                                                            I told you all that whitewarsh education is wrong racist and distorted

                                                                            There was no Aryan race or invasion …

                                                                            Aryan: Arya means pure or good in Sanskrit. In the holy Vedas the good people were called Arya. Some of the European scholars of Indian culture in the 19th century were Germans. These German scholars who found that Swastika was also a holy symbol among the Hindus distorted, the word Arya to Aryan.

                                                                            In 1851 Muller wrote his first article in English wherein he used the word "Aryan" for the first time in the sense of a race. Max Muller's good friend and fellow Indologist Paul then popularized the word "Aryan" in France. Soon many Christian scholars were seized upon by the theory of Aryan race.

                                                                            There was no Aryan in Sanskrit referring to a RACE.

                                                                            hinduwebsite.com/history/a...vasion.asp

                                                                            "The evidence of science now points to two basic conclusions: first, there was no Aryan invasion, and second, the Rigvedic people were already established in India no later than 4000 BC. How are we then to account for the continued presence of the Aryan invasion version of history in history books and encyclopedias even today?"

                                                                            "Speaking of the Aryan invasion theory, it would probably be an oversimplification to say: "Germans invented it, British used it," but not by much. The concept of the Aryans as a race and the associated idea of the 'Aryan nation' were very much a part of the ideology of German nationalism."

                                                                            the idea of the Aryans as foreigners who invaded India and destroyed the existing Harappan Civilization is a modern European invention; it receives no support whatsoever from Indian records - literary or archaeological. The same is true of the notion of the Aryans as a race; it finds no support in Indian literature or tradition. The word 'Arya' in Sanskrit means noble and never a race.

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                                                                            All symbols and Language came from Africa Kemet Ethiopia Nubia and migrated with the family of Africans all over the world. Everything has a root – we must dig father than Europe for evidence of the beginnings of anything. Europe is a child compared to Africa.

                                                                            *There were no Indo-Europeans until they made up the term in order to associate themselves with eastern wisdom.

                                                                            The original [so-called] Indians from the Indus Valley were Ethiopians who were while in Africa the parents of the Egyptian.

                                                                            They are the Dravidian's - black people.

                                                                            *There were two types of Blacks from Africa who created the first civilization of mankind. One was the Nubian, who had broad features and Woolly, Nappy hair, while the other had the aquiline nose with straight hair,(Dravidian) but both were early descendents straight out of Black Africa.

                                                                            Africa encompassed a vast area! And the sun never set where an African did not live and bring civilization!

                                                                            The Latin word "India" is from the Greek word Indus (or Indos) which
                                                                            means Black. The earliest people of India were Black Africans! It is
                                                                            believed that many of them came from Ethiopia. Often called Dravidians,
                                                                            these Africans founded the great Indus Valley Civilization around 3000
                                                                            B.C. They brought with them many spiritual sciences which originated in
                                                                            Africa, such as those of Yoga, Marital arts, Kundalini & Reflexology.


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                                                                              Re: The Real I AM

                                                                              Thu, May 22, 2008 - 1:37 AM
                                                                              "All symbols and Language came from Africa Kemet Ethiopia Nubia and migrated with the family of Africans all over the world."

                                                                              Actually, No, I don't believe that's really true at all.

                                                                              and in making such statements and being obsessively preoccupied with bolstering your interests in long lost mythos, strands of truths, and discovering some secret seed that turns into a magical apple of knowledge being tossed around by omniscient entities on a playful day, you not only sabotage and compromise the vision, clarity and legitimacy of what you are seeing and believing and attempting to express, but essentially denigrate those other traditions that are as much a part of the grand puzzle as this meta-Kemet center of the entire fuggin human universe belief system you go on and on about.

                                                                              The afro-centrist bent is about as unsound and one-dimensional an argument as a euro-centrist perspective.

                                                                              Does not compute in my all knowing super deluxe mega ultra universal super gigantic computer thingamabob.

                                                                              ~V~
                                                                              (KittyWater Afficionado, Level 7)
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                                                                                Re: The Real I AM

                                                                                Thu, May 22, 2008 - 1:48 AM
                                                                                IN other words, try another, more balanced and integrated mode of inquiry and expression.

                                                                                It will serve you far better in the long run and will help others be more receptive rather than reactive to your beliefs.

                                                                                Rule 33.11, Grand Book of Zealotry, pg.1027, Harper Collins, 2012

                                                                                ~V~
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                                                                                  Fri, May 23, 2008 - 9:28 AM

                                                                                  Yeah I know who you are

                                                                                  All those other traditions are TRASH and stolen and corrupted (Period)

                                                                                  We don't have time to sing “Cum-bi-ya” I'm sic and tired of trying to be fair
                                                                                  when this world refuses to wake up, and the world as we know is destructing warring dying starving all because of your corrupted LIES - I refuse to sit back another day and let you destroy my mother earth

                                                                                  How do you know how i'm being received?

                                                                                  I have 12 new members join my tribe from this thread alone.

                                                                                  I come not to say follow me or that i am right, this is Divines will I am just a scribe - you don't have to accept me, but why not open yourself the truth and if you won't,
                                                                                  I'LL BUST DOWN THE DOOR - Dog Star

                                                                                  For one to understand the relationship of any two subjects, you must always, always start at the beginning. We as the true heirs of civilization must realize that this war, or struggle (as some call it), is not a physical one. It is more spiritual than physical. The physical will take a part, but it is but a small part of the cipher. There has been a spiritual war going for nearly 6000 years and it's gettin' pipin' hot, son!

                                                                                  As we strive for understanding and righteousness, we will get a clearer view of the beast that stands invisibly, yet very visible, before us. With that in mind, I now pose the following questions: Who was the first man and woman on the earth? How did we get all these different ethnic backgrounds from this one, or same man and woman?

                                                                                  These questions have caused many to consistently attempt to sway away from gettin' to the real, hard core truth of the matter. Often times, the seekers have been told by our parents, teachers, and preachers that "it doesn't matter, God made all of us" Well that is true, but why? and how?

                                                                                  I forewarn those sensitive, fragile minds that might not be able to handle an in-depth perception I'm about to parlay over the next few post, so for those, I suggest you go and pick up a copy of Reader's Digest or your Todays Science, even contact your pimp, oops, I mean guru to soothe (numb) your psyche so that you may vegetate from the truth. This piece is dedicated to those that strive to unrelish the many years of lies and lost information the devil hoped we would never ever find again.

                                                                                  Western science got people in a whirl. We don't know if man evolved from primitive apes or whether sh*t just started with Adam and Eve. Western science is so quick to say we were once apes but cannot tell how and why we evolved. The best theologians can tell you about Adam and Eve is that they parented all the different colors of people today. There is some truth to this Afrikans, but you must separate it from the rest of the bullsh*t they want you to get entangled in.

                                                                                  Ask yourself, a far back as you can go, what group of people has a history of killing, raping, stealing, and suppressing other ethnic backgrounds? Everyone knows what race is responsible for the deterioration of cultures (ie, the near total annihilation of native americans and now Africans and African americans) and the earth (the depletion of the ozone, oil spills, toxic animals used for food).

                                                                                  The question is why? Why are they like they are and why do they have such a vendetta against the earth, themselves, and people of color?
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                                                                                    Re: The Real I AM

                                                                                    Fri, May 23, 2008 - 9:45 AM
                                                                                    You're spewing distorted rubbish Godstar.

                                                                                    but thanks anyway.

                                                                                    ~V~
                                                                                    • Re: The Real I AM

                                                                                      Fri, May 23, 2008 - 3:59 PM
                                                                                      "Ask yourself, a far back as you can go, what group of people has a history of killing, raping, stealing, and suppressing other ethnic backgrounds?"


                                                                                      Ex 1:13-16 And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour:

                                                                                      14 And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.

                                                                                      15 And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah:

                                                                                      16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live

                                                                                      As far back as I can go? Hmm, let me think Oh! That would have to be those evil Egyptians.
                                                                                      But I got over it already and forgave them.
                                                                                      Perhaps you should get over it and do the same.

                                                                                      So often times it happens, that we live our lives in chains, and we never even know we have the key ---- The Eagles.
                                                                                      • Re: The Real I AM

                                                                                        Sat, May 24, 2008 - 1:53 AM
                                                                                        Egyptians are evil, Gog is evil, Putin is evil, the Magog are evil, Syria is evil, there is much evil even in Juda, in the heart of the King, etc, so much evil. Only the chosen folk is not evil? Bob Dylan is good, and Shimun and Garfunkel and Levi Krawitz, the rest are evil. amazing. All India is EVIL, all China is evil. We can exaggerate further. The ring of life in Centaurus is evil. But Egypt who gave Moses and shielded Jesus is the most evil of all? Because they have seen Noah's ass! and Noah was drunken, but even booze is sacred when you curse 2/3 of humanity. Gotta check Sumerian data for this alleged curse. Noah cursed them Hamites and so everyone is cursed. Mosha Dayan acn walk into Moscow at aly time since the Magog are simply cursed like all of us. I mean there is this first Hebrew ghetto here in Venice and I love it but, thinking, what do they really think of me even as I join in Bible research?
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                                                                                    Re: The Real I AM

                                                                                    Sat, May 24, 2008 - 4:41 PM
                                                                                    "Ask yourself, a far back as you can go, what group of people has a history of killing, raping, stealing, and suppressing other ethnic backgrounds?"

                                                                                    Sooo, that's like asking us to ponder who the original sinners are?..........
  • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

    Sat, May 24, 2008 - 1:47 AM
    KEM was integral to Moses, Jesus and the Jews, a safe haven for fleeing jews of high status, nobles, etc, ON OM or Heliopolis, you have the data. There were more than 70 disciples, ... Magdalen is somehow veiled and a couple of them like Joseph of Arimatreya. Zodiacally speaking thin Juda Ischariot is Scoropius, Jesus is Ophiuchus, thus Jupiter in Ophiuchus 2007 _ the Messiah. KEM has parallels of course to zodiacal representation because everything was invented in KEM, my conclusion but I always rush to. John is Aries and so on, Thomas is Virgo, but are those Leonardo's or ??? since Leonardo was a jealous practical merchant who hated humanity at large, ... talented but angry and jealous of Copyright just like me hahaha
    Jesus said of some of us that we are reptilian kind, right? He said that, serpent people, snaky breed. Leonardo was not informed of the zodiac proper.

    Ophiuchus is ... and ..... Father and Son that clasps Serpens Cauda et Caput. Cauda is the ascendant of the U.S.A. while caput is the ascendant of Italy. Then who is Ophiuchus but KEM?

    As I said Leonardo knew nothing of the zodiac proper.
    • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

      Sat, May 24, 2008 - 6:09 PM

      “IT WAS BLACK HEBREWS WHO LIVED IN THE ORIGINAL ISRAEL OF THE BIBLE”

      My Blog See Pics"
      people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...6bb39eaa21

      "Caucasian Jews are not the lineal descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Nor do they constitute a separate race but rather a religious fraternity which adheres to the ethnic tradition of a people whose origins are inextricably linked to Black Africa."

      For years, people of the world have been led to believe that the people of the bible were white people, when in fact they were black.

      everything we’ve been taught is a lie.

      Black Jews ruled the world from ancient times until the Enlightenment.

      Westerners have rewritten history, obscuring the true identity of God’s chosen people and erasing the evidence of their accomplishments in the world.

      ---

      What is a Hebrew Israelite?

      My Blog See Pics
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      Israel is a nation of people where those who practice Judaism are members of a religion and not a nationality as such. Jews, on the other hand, are people of various nationalities who have abandoned their own cultures and adopted the religion of Judiasm.

      One may change his or her religion many times. On the contrary, one may never change who you are at birth, namely your nationality.

      It is logically impossible to think of Russian Jews, Polish Jews, Spanish Jews, British Jews, French Jews, Hungarian Jews, American Jews, and even Arab Jews as a single nation. An Israelite is a descendent of the ancient nation of Israel. a Jew is a member of a religion called Judaism which attempts to practice the laws, traditions and customs of ancient Israel. In many instances Israelite culture has been modified in the Jewish religion.

      Today the term Jew is erroneously assumed to be synonymous with Israel. This is due in part to the fact that what was strictly a religion has conviently taken on a nationalistic connotation with the establishment of the Zionist movement in Israel. Zionism is a movement which developed in Europe as an attempt to find a homeland for Jews who were being severely persecuted throughout Europe. The word Jew was non existing word among ancient Israelites.

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        Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

        Sat, May 24, 2008 - 10:34 PM
        "....Westerners have rewritten history, obscuring the true identity of God’s chosen people and erasing the evidence of their accomplishments in the world."

        ....obscuring the true identity of God’s chosen people?

        In short ......GFYS

        WE ARE ONE YOU IDIOT IN GOD EYES!!!

        Please leave us alone with your insane bull shit and get help.
        • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

          Sun, May 25, 2008 - 12:55 AM

          "WE ARE ONE" ???

          not until you fork over some of that money, and let my people go...and come to Israel

          Yet you left your so called "We are One" brothers behind, the Ethiopian 'Falasha Jews,
          what they don't get access to Israel the promised land?

          finally only recently did you begin to let a few trickle in, but now they're discriminated against and are currently band from coming to Israel

          the Ethiopia Jew makes up about a very small percent (3%) of the Jewish population in Israel

          SEE PICS: School kids being discriminated against - Four Ethiopian girls had been forced to study in complete isolation: www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/932618.html

          The government has planned termination of state programs aimed at bringing the members of Ethiopia's Falash Mura community to Israel."

          "It is not a question of economics but a question of Zionist and Jewish vision," he added. "In 1948 they brought half a million Jews to Israel, hundreds and thousands of them from underdeveloped countries, and now seven million Jews cannot absorb a few thousand? The state is not the property of those who live in it today; they are just the beginning of the gospel of the redemption of the children of Israel".

          "Ethiopian Jews, imported in small numbers by the Israeli government beginning in the mid-1980s, have revealed multiple examples of a society that discriminates heavily against them, even segregating them in schools and workplaces."

          "The study, reported Friday (08) in the Israeli press, shows that the incidents of racism against Ethiopians in Israel are not just limited to a single city or region, but occur in every part of Israel where Ethiopians live"

          "Examples of racism in Israel in 2008: a school that prides itself on its low number of Ethiopian students; parents requesting Ethiopian children be removed from their children's kindergarten; a teacher that says 'Ethiopians student disruption to the Israeli students."

          Nobody doubts that many of the Ethiopian Jews were happy to leave Ethiopia not only because of their religion, but also to escape one of the world's poorest countries and a land haunted by war and famine.

          While they may be financially better off in Israel than in Ethiopia, they are struggling compared to most other Israelis.

          "Some 70 percent are considered to be living in poverty compared to 20 percent of the general population, according to figures from Meyers-JDC-Brookdale, a prominent Israeli social research institute."

          "These aren't isolated incidents, it's pure discrimination," said Batia Eyob, director of an immigrant advocacy group that has documented a rise in anti-Ethiopian behavior in the past five years.

          Ethiopians complain of problems finding employers to hire them but say the discrimination starts at school.

          "Figures show a dropout rate among Ethiopians of 33 percent by the age of 17 compared to 15 percent for other Israelis. Ethiopian youngsters say they find themselves the butt of racial slurs from some teachers as well as pupils."

          "These stories compound the general distress felt by the Ethiopian children and the Ethiopian population within the Israeli society," the prime minister said, adding that this feeling is not devoid of truth, and is not isolated to a certain part of the country. "There are problems and there are hardships."

          "Livni, who served as absorption minister in the past, maintains close ties with the Ethiopian community in Israel. She added that "there is an entire phenomenon of pure racism in the hiring of Ethiopian immigrants in the job market and the renting of homes to them. This discrimination forced them to concentrate in certain neighborhoods and harmed their integration."



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            Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

            Sun, May 25, 2008 - 1:34 AM
            I apologize for my verbage as it is not respectful to you within this "community" and as well it is out of character for me... but I feel outraged at many of your racist comments. I do I feel "we are one" (in Gods eyes) whether we wish to realize it or not. What happens on this earthly plane, however, is of our own human folly/ignorance and then again... insight......and....yet God is always laughing........
            Perhaps, and it may be just my stupid opinion, but I feel our existence is a process of our collective awakening....

            Astrology anyone?
            • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

              Mon, May 26, 2008 - 8:13 PM

              The only racism going on here, is you trying to prevent me from sharing the truth
              trying to silence the voice that others need to hear...

              This whole topic has to do with Astrology - its archetypical and the basis of Astrology

              Jesus is Heru -Leo, our Sun Sign -

              One
              basic
              truth can
              be used as
              a foundation for
              a mountain of lies,
              and if we dig down deep
              enough into the mountain of lies,
              and bring out that truth, to set it on
              top of the mountain of lies; the entire
              mountain of lies will crumble under the weight of
              that one truth, and there is nothing more devastating to a
              structure of lies than the revelation of the truth upon which
              the structure of lies was built, because the shock waves of
              the revelation of the truth reverberate, and continue to
              reverberate throughout the earth for generations to
              follow, awakening even those
              people who had no
              desire to be
              awakened
              to the
              truth.

              Historical Jesus and Mythical Christ
              people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...282a5b87ac

              LIFE OF YEHOSHUA (Jesus)
              people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...7ff4355a42

              Yeshua -The Essence of The Way
              people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...3a6e427e40
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                Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                Mon, May 26, 2008 - 8:53 PM
                oh geez......

                "preventing" one from sharing the "truth" is ...censorship...not racism (and that speaks alot to your agenda).
                Additionally...as I only put forth my opinion....I am not "preventing" you from doing anything as you can type what ever BS you want ...

                You clearly have a skewed agenda ......and your "square pegs into round holes" logic is pathetic.

                At this point I have no interest in your opinion about anything. I (and not that I think you care) will no longer view any of your posts as I have no respect for your mountain of liar distortions.
                • Re: They lost the Gnosis! thread for Sirius

                  Mon, May 26, 2008 - 9:55 PM

                  Africa has been betrayed by international commerce and trade.

                  Africa has been betrayed by the new science of the genetics of food, and the unequal distribution of resources.

                  Africa has been betrayed by missionaries and imams who have called our own priests and priestesses false while holding up Africa’s enemies as our saviors.

                  Africa has been betrayed by education, the Academy, and the structure of knowledge imposed by the Western world

                  Africa has often been betrayed by its own people who have sold out for sensationalism and materialism - who have shown a talent for imitating the worst habits and behaviors of Europe.

                  Africa has often been betrayed by the Maufactured His- story, ignorance of our own people and past. Africans are, consequently, the most betrayed of contemporary humans.

                  Race is brought into the picture as a necessary consequence of the aforementioned above; being a visible stage in the graduated events (intimately tumultuous) that burgeoned into the most stablest and wealthiest theocracies ever known to "his kind."

                  --

                  Mr. Yakub and the Making of the Devil

                  "Physically white people are not any more or less evil than physical Black people. Any person of any skin color can become devilish by the thoughts, emotions, feelings and actions they indulge."

                  The following is from a letter wrote to a correspondent who requested views on Yakub and the making of the White Devil.

                  I believe the History of Mr. Yakub to be wholly spiritual and symbolic, using physical White people to represent mental functions and states of mind. This is not unprecedented. The ancient Egyptian Kings were often depicted "smiting" foreign barbarians who were symbols of the wild passions in the Egyptian people, not actual physical conquests.

                  White people have been called "cave men" and "cavey." but actually It refers to underground (subconscious) influences that operate in the dark (Unknown, Mysterious).

                  Yakub represents the left hemisphere of the brain and its related mental activities.

                  Yakub was a "big headed scientist," meaning he symbolized extreme left-brained arrogance, vanity and unrelenting pride.

                  Now the alleged making of the devil... it refers to the ego supplanting the former rule or predominance of the right brain hemisphere.

                  The individual "I" and sense of separateness is a grafted "add on to the original human consciousness. This puny little ego -- created by maya, separate-ness and "tricknology" (i.e. "Yakub) is the real devil (enemy, adversary) and is symbolized by the White man because of our past

                  Yakub is the modern version of the trickster gods that have been depicted throughout the world: Coyote, Set, Satan, Sebek, Hanuman, Mescalito, Kweku Ansi, etc. They are usually stylised as canines, so

                  They emphasized how the White Mind. (This is all symbolic wisdom)

                  I only decipher the symbols now because it's time to bring in the NewUnderstanding..

                  The real purpose was to provide the spiritual scientific framework for you and me to become gods and goddesses. It is not enough to praise the messenger and the Saviour.

                  You and me must become "God in Person."

                  You have to be able to truthfully say: "My name is ………... I came to North America/The world born with the spirit of Divine)."

                  We are constantly making the devil whenever we feed and nourish our lower selves and animal appetites. When we allow our egos to rule, instead of bringing our egos into submission to the indwelling divinity, we are grafting a devil.

                  Physical white people are not any more or less evil than physical Black people. Any person of any skin color can become devilish by the thoughts, emotions, feelings and actions they indulge.

                  Any person of any color can become "a true and living god" by the thoughts, emotions, feelings and actions they indulge.

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