ATTENTION-very important experiment-calling all astronuts

topic posted Fri, October 9, 2009 - 4:12 AM by  MantisReligiosa
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Ok, I know some are gonna frown/yawn/pick their nose upon reading my idea, but I REALLY think it's important to sort this thing out, so please focus, kids...

I wanna open this thread to invite a chart-reading session, like we've had before(you do mine, I do yours - kind of exercise), in the WHOLE SIGN house system, though. I don't think I need to tell anybody here, but just in case, you can have your chart done in the whole sign system on www.astro.com, in the "extended chart selection"-section.

So, the point is, we read each other's charts and see how accurate the reading is. And hopefully, if it sheds light on some undiscovered issues of our psychological make-up...

Of course, it also depends a great deal on how different the whole sign chart is from the Placidus chart..and it my case, it's a LOT different.

I find my whole sign chart a lot more accurate, especially in the descriptions of house rulers in houses-according to cafeastrology.com, which you can find here: www.cafeastrology.com/natal/r...ses.html AND in planetary transits.

But also in the general descriptions of the planets in houses, which you can find..on about a million sites on the web, but the ones I found most relevant are: this- www.cafeastrology.com/natal/p...ses.html

this- astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html ; or this- www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-...ses.php

Now, here's MY whole sign chart, for anyone who wants to give it a go: people.tribe.net/487fd771-...ddd513cb5f

The transits are also marked there. I say we keep it to natal interpretations, for now, but I'd like to open a separate thread on transits according to whole sign charts, if this goes well..
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  • Mantis

    Whilst at it (in terms of your own research) you could try equal house system too. I use equal quite frequently (and also koch from time to time) and find it quite good.

    If you want to try and interpret it my whole chart is here:
    people.tribe.net/d86a9803-...9b63ba703c

    my equal is here;
    people.tribe.net/d86a9803-...60fc0bc25d

    and Koch:
    people.tribe.net/d86a9803-...d1a55742ca

    Feel free to check them out, compare, contrast etc.
    These are the only house systems I ever use if given the choice. I've had these charts up on my profile since I joined so whenever someone has interpreted my chart, I'm never sure exactly which chart they're looking at!

    "I find my whole sign chart a lot more accurate, especially in the descriptions of house rulers in houses"

    House rulers in houses would be the exact same regardless of house system though. The only difference is the house ruler itself may be different.



    Mantis seeing as you have interest in this, why not interpret as many charts as you can of the people who post here? It might be good to then check the chart in another house systems such as placidus and koch to see the differences.

    If you ever get time, check out equal. I find it superior to whole, but its been a while since I checked out whole.

    • Paul, I don't get how you can be so serene about this matter..

      "I use equal and find it quite good"? LOL. sounds like you're talking about a cake recipe.

      I mean, for me the whole "house systems" issue is totally unsettling and annoying. I want to know which is the right one! I mean, there can only be one, after all.

      I don't agree with the equal system, because each house is not assigned to its ruling sign, and that's why I've even considered the whole sign system, in the first place. Otherwise, I would've just stuck to Placidus. Or I could've used Koch, or even Sidereal and all those.
      But I like the idea of assigning each house to its sign and planet. Makes more sense to me, from the theory point of view.

      "House rulers in houses would be the exact same regardless of house system though. The only difference is the house ruler itself may be different. " I don't get what you mean. How, the same?, but different?
      • ""I use equal and find it quite good"? LOL. sounds like you're talking about a cake recipe. "

        lol sorry for the simplification! I was just popping out to lunch but wanted to respond to your post, so did it quickly!

        "Paul, I don't get how you can be so serene about this matter.. "

        Ok, basically I kind of feel that different house systems apply to different people at different stages in their life. I think Placidus particularly is a more subjective house system. I think Equal is more 'blank slate' in terms of houses. I've said on this tribe before (somewhere) that it wouldn't surprise me (in fact I'd almost expect it) that Equal is more appropriate for children and that as we grow older, depending on our free will and subjective viewpoin of the world, our understanding of it and ourselves becomes warped to some extent and to me the other house systems are these 'warpings'. However I wasn't figuring in Whole system when considering that, I was primarily considering Equal vs the others.
        The reason I'm so serene is that I have found the houses that work for me. I'm not 'new' to whole sign system. I've looked into it before and found it pretty insightful, just found Equal even more so. I also found Koch quite useful, particularly when 'time' is more in consideration, by which I mean the progressions, transits and particularly the Huber Clock (not sure if anyone here uses that).

        "I don't agree with the equal system, because each house is not assigned to its ruling sign, and that's why I've even considered the whole sign system, in the first place"

        Could you explain please? What do you mean each house is not assigned to its ruling sign?

        ""House rulers in houses would be the exact same regardless of house system though. The only difference is the house ruler itself may be different. " I don't get what you mean. How, the same?, but different? "

        regardless of how you split up the horoscope, if a house cusp starts on Aries, the house ruler is ALWAYS mars. Thats true for every single one of the house systems. So that's what I mean by saying that the house rulers in houses would be the exact same. However, because the same house may start in different places in each house system, WHAT that house ruler is may be different.
        Hope that makes more sense.
        • "I don't agree with the equal system, because each house is not assigned to its ruling sign, and that's why I've even considered the whole sign system, in the first place"

          Could you explain please? What do you mean each house is not assigned to its ruling sign?

          lol. I must've been already half-asleep when I wrote that. I dunno why I had the idea my whole sign chart started with aries and continued through the rest of the circle, in order. Is there no house system that works like that?
          But, anyway, the AC and MC are still set as the cusps of the 1st and 10th..that's kinda bugging me.

          "regardless of how you split up the horoscope, if a house cusp starts on Aries, the house ruler is ALWAYS mars. Thats true for every single one of the house systems. So that's what I mean by saying that the house rulers in houses would be the exact same. However, because the same house may start in different places in each house system, WHAT that house ruler is may be different.
          Hope that makes more sense. "

          yes, I thought that's what you meant..but come on, do you also consider the natural rulers of the houses' positions by house? that's insane...I don't think I'll get through all that maze of information.


          • "yes, I thought that's what you meant..but come on, do you also consider the natural rulers of the houses' positions by house? that's insane...I don't think I'll get through all that maze of information. "

            no I don't consider the natural rulers, but if say the third house is featured prominently I might consider mercury and see if it's doing something special, but normally I just use the house ruler indicated. My main point was just that regardless of house system, the meaning behind the house rulers is the same.
            Also as i say, if you like whole try equal too!
  • Re: Outstanding Chart Interpretations

    Fri, October 9, 2009 - 6:27 AM
    We still have a number of people on the chart practice thread who are waiting for some help. Some of them might be game for this type of reading, but I think it is pretty unfair for those who have had a go already to ignore those people who have not. Could we accommodate those people first? Some of them are newbies and looking for some guidance.
    • This post was deleted by Paul
      • Re: Outstanding Chart Interpretations

        Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:15 AM
        Paul - i'll read yours best I can in return for you reading mine. If you like, i'll do a solar return chart reading for you if u feel that you have had your natal chart read quite a lot already - let me know if you fancy that, absolutely no worries if not :)
        • Re: Outstanding Chart Interpretations

          Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:22 AM
          viki

          Thanks for the offer.

          However, I would actually prefer were you to read one of the other people on the list that Amiable and Yoda posted not long ago. In return I will read your natal chart to the best of my ability! Its not that I have had my chart read many times, in fact, I've had it read very few times, but just that there are others here who want their charts read and exio has already read mine! Thank you for the offer though. If you read someone elses, who hasn't been read yet, I will read yours.
      • Re: Outstanding Chart Interpretations

        Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:26 AM
        Paul ~

        Well, some people ask for this because they are unsure and need some guidance, too. I know that when I first started out I was not in a position to read someone else's chart, but having it done with mine showed me better how to do it and helped me get on my way. And I have to disagree with you about that thread ~ I think enough people reciprocated. I am not sure why you don't see that rather than being selfish, the ones who did not reciprocate are more likely trying to learn and feel intimidated about interpreting a chart at the moment. We have all been in those shoes, it seems to me.
        • Re: Outstanding Chart Interpretations

          Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:34 AM
          Amiable

          "I think enough people reciprocated. I am not sure why you don't see that rather than being selfish, the ones who did not reciprocate are more likely trying to learn and feel intimidated about interpreting a chart at the moment. We have all been in those shoes, it seems to me."

          As I say, perhaps I'm just more idealistic about it. I understand some people may be more intimidated, I am aware of that. perhaps I've been too harsh. My idea for it was that it would practice for those who CAN read charts. There are many there who know enough about chart interpretation to have at least given it a go. Just my thoughts on it. Perhaps selfish was too strong a word for it though.
        • Re: Outstanding Chart Interpretations

          Fri, October 9, 2009 - 8:49 AM
          "This posting was deleted by Paul "

          rubbish, I just deleted my own post. I was going to reply to it to say that I agree with amiable now and hadn't really given that option enough thought. Previous to this my older post said that I felt that there may be some selfishness to people who had their chart read and then didn't do the same for others.

          Anyways I think I might have been a little harsh. Sorry guys!
          (maybe its better its deleted?)

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