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There are a ton material on this, right here on tribe. BUT I just wondered if you've ever met someone who's NN or SN exactly conj yours. And if you noticed just that, or other things (like moon/sun, asc/moon, etc...the other kinds of synastry). I am particulray fond of this aspect with nodes, and would appreciate an informal study ;-)
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Tue, August 14, 2012 - 12:11 AMI'm OK with Sun, Moon and ASC in conj to the the nodes (N or S), but nothing else. And within 3 deg orb (1.5 on either side).
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Tue, August 14, 2012 - 5:24 AMAll I know is that Moon Node Conjunction between charts is extremely intimate. See it in every 3rd relationship I come across. Especially when it is a double whammy. Doesn't matter whichever end of the node it is when it is the Moon. That I noticed..hmm..!
I noticed Johnny Depp had it with his what's-her-name Gf of so many years (- ok I don't like talking like this!)
Now a greedy thought--
I seriously think people are lucky when their moon sign is in a compatible element to their nodal signs..so that when someone's moon forms a conjunction to the axis you get two for one.( Moon/node+ moon/moon compatibility)
My Sun and Moon are in fire signs but my node falls along Feminine signs- Can/Cap. I have never had/could have a close LONG term friendship with people having their Moon in Water or Earth signs because of obvious incompatibility.. :( :( The sense of familiarity and 'we like similar things' isn't recognized in their company. Had a wonderful friendship with a classmate for a year who had Moon in Cancer. But that was it.
And since hard aspects are given more importance..( 0 90 180) perhaps for people with similar case as mine would have significant relationships (if they seek compatibility too) only with people with Moon squaring their nodal axis?(But then significance is measured by so many other things I am sure :-/)
Now for something personal : My Sister's moon in Libra exactly squares my node and I do feel she somehow has no sensitivity/respect for my inner life and where I come from (though that could be coz of other factors :-/ )
I am really curious how does a moon square node workout? Is it a rude aspect? Can there be intimacy in it?
Also is it a subtle "sign of something" when people have their sun and moon incompatible with their own nodes.? -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Thu, August 16, 2012 - 7:50 PM"Now a greedy thought--
I seriously think people are lucky when their moon sign is in a compatible element to their nodal signs..so that when someone's moon forms a conjunction to the axis you get two for one.( Moon/node+ moon/moon compatibility).
What an unusual thought, don't have it, but I like it. Or wait, do I have it? Let me check (reduce my orbs, etc. etc. focus on what is right for me, etc. etc. got it, nope, don't have that aspect). But I like it ;-)
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Fri, August 17, 2012 - 1:02 AM"I seriously think people are lucky when their moon sign is in a compatible element to their nodal signs..so that when someone's moon forms a conjunction to the axis you get two for one.( Moon/node+ moon/moon compatibility) "
Actually a luminary conjunct a node is a potentially hazardous place for that luminary to be. Especially if both are on the node.
Why? Because it suggests an eclipse. The nodes are the places where the luminares are occluded by one another in the relationship to the earth. When both luminaries are at a node we have a solar eclipse, when the luminaries are at opposing nodes we get a lunar eclipse.
These points then are the places where the light of hte luminaries are at risk of being destroyed and occluded. A potentially hazardous placement then.
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Sun, August 19, 2012 - 10:47 PM"Actually a luminary conjunct a node is a potentially hazardous place for that luminary to be"
Do tell, do you have this personally or in synastry? Would love to learn more. -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Tue, August 21, 2012 - 11:36 PM
""Actually a luminary conjunct a node is a potentially hazardous place for that luminary to be"
Do tell, do you have this personally or in synastry? Would love to learn more. "
Query directed at Paul, who will probably respond - will butt in with my own answer and experience:
The danger is one of the bodies in such meeting will overwhelm the other and/or engage in a see-saw battle. The best and easiest to visualize is a Solar eclipse. The Moon blacks out the Sun bringing about instant night. One could say such an exact conjunction would make the Moon combust; which would be the case with Mercury, for example. The need for a flashlight should convince one otherwise.
In the case of a romantic relationship to be at the outset "overwhelmed" may be exciting and fun. Over time it won't. Same with a see-saw sort of bi-polar shifting of influence and dominance. The potential for difficulty is there; not a death sentence, but not a picnic in the park either. . . . -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Wed, August 22, 2012 - 11:23 PM"The need for a flashlight should convince one otherwise."
Incredibly, that sounds perfect for this day and age (how romantic!), we also have flashlights, a bonus...I'm thinking your thinking of the nodes should live in the 1700's (LOL)
Truly, in your lifetime, when was the last time a solar eclipse was a bummer? (in this part of the world, it's fun..go get your special glasses ;-) Watch how fast Paul uses his ancient wisdom to tell me that a solar eclipse is not fun (to which I will reply, the gods gives you exactly what you can handle). -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Thu, August 23, 2012 - 2:17 AM"Truly, in your lifetime, when was the last time a solar eclipse was a bummer? (in this part of the world, it's fun..go get your special glasses ;-) Watch how fast Paul uses his ancient wisdom to tell me that a solar eclipse is not fun (to which I will reply, the gods gives you exactly what you can handle)."
Saying this makes me think you don't understand the use of eclipses in astrology, as opposed to actually event/day.
The important point isn't the actual day and celebration that happens at an eclipse, but the place that the eclipse occurs in your chart etc. -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Fri, August 24, 2012 - 3:05 PMSaying this makes me think you don't understand the use of eclipses in astrology, as opposed to actually event/day.
>>Yes, I don't, pls. explain it to me in a way I can understand (I'm big on personal experience, but if you can 'teach me' in a short period of time of all other experiences, I'm game). I don't do long soliloquy's. So tell me, what do you hold personal in your chart? because I'm certain you are right about this.
The important point isn't the actual day and celebration that happens at an eclipse, but the place that the eclipse occurs in your chart etc.
>>And the difference is? seriously, why wouldn't I celebrate my very own eclipse? Are you reading my chart better? And if so, tell me, how do you see my difficult aspects (cuz' I'm certain this is just the way to attract clients ;-)
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Wed, August 22, 2012 - 2:29 AMI don't have in in my natal chart, though several horaries I've drawn have had it.
I don't know about synastry, I'm inclined to think it would be a subtly different beast were it to happen by synastry.
I think Ed gives a good rendition of a probable meaning though. -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Wed, August 22, 2012 - 10:43 PMI like what you're saying Edward (and Paul), not sure it's complete, let me share:
I don't have a natal example for Edwards point, but I suspect a SN/Moon aspect is far better than a SN/Sun, probably because of the obvious connection (moon and it's nodes), and of course their connection to the past/habits we are born with. Actually Shinobi made me think of this.
I will tell you that I met someone who's SN exactly conj my sun/moon/asc. (closest to my asc, but hey we're splitting hairs here). What that meant, is that their NN exactly conjunct my DSC. But, of course, if that was all, I wouldn't have brought it up. If someone's nodes touches yours like this (so personally, given the ASC/DSC), then you have to dig deeper. Incredibly, my friend's Venus and Asc. completes my t-square (the 4th leg, so to speak, exactly opposing my mercury), my own NN is conj their IC (again, exact), and my SN conj (obviously their MC), but also their Mars (exact). There are other things that are exact, in fact, there is not a single planet on my chart that does not form an aspect to theirs (exactly, or within a degree).
I do believe that the SN on your Sun is a downer (not sure about the moon tho', it is hard for me to separate these two since they are conj on my chart). I will tell you tho' that if the nodes meet the axis (Asc/Dsc/MC/IC), the connection is unreal. You may not be with the person, but the influence on the current life is significant. This I can separate because I've seen it in charts over time (it's actually been my driving force to pursue astrology to this degree). There's nothing like meeting someone who sparks a recognition in you, or points you towards something (without being aware that their doing just that), to make you believe in the nodes and their impact. Perhaps I should've started with this, but I wanted to see first if anyone experienced it without undue influence ;-) -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Thu, August 23, 2012 - 2:15 AMQueen
"I will tell you that I met someone who's SN exactly conj my sun/moon/asc. (closest to my asc, but hey we're splitting hairs here). "
I need to be really clear, what's hazardous isn't that 'something important' such as an ascendant or whatever is conjunct a node, but, specifically the Luminaries. So what I was saying only applies to the Moon and Sun - not an angle.
Now in addition to this, all planets place in conjunction with the south node tend to experience a wasting or diminishing effect. -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Fri, August 24, 2012 - 3:11 PM"Now in addition to this, all planets place in conjunction with the south node tend to experience a wasting or diminishing effect."
Yes, in a way you are right. It is definitely an end, you feel it, sense it, but you try to squeeze every opportunity of learning/eye opening in to it (if you are aware, I suppose). No question, like all good things, this one comes to an end, but the experience stays with you forever (in other ways, not the thinking ones Paul!).
You have a great mind, if only you can experience 'deep.' -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Fri, August 24, 2012 - 4:45 PM
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Fri, August 24, 2012 - 10:13 PM"Yes, in a way you are right. It is definitely an end, . . ."
A diminishing effect is not an end, and that's not what Paul stated; nor would I. M'thinks you are perhaps loading a simple Astrological principle with a personal experience which may well have arisen through other means as well as a nodal contact.
"You have a great mind, if only you can experience 'deep.'" Cheap shot. Are we back to "Gemini's have notions of emotions."?
In a video format - a worst case scenario of a luminary diminished in a SN relationship: www.youtube.com/watch
"But though you're still with me; I've been alone all along." Damn good song, too.
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Sat, August 25, 2012 - 10:24 PM"A diminishing effect is not an end, and that's not what Paul stated;"
>>No he didn't, I did..and he wouldn't, unless he was experiencing it. See, I'm not sharing my 'analysis' of an aspect, I'm just stating what actually happened. And I agreed with him, actually...I don't understand this aspect, at all! It just rocked my world, LOL.
"You have a great mind, if only you can experience 'deep.'" Cheap shot. Are we back to "Gemini's have notions of emotions."?
>>This is the very sentence my SN encounter said to me, LOL, a cheap shot indeed ;-)
P.S. I love this song BTW. -
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Re: The Gemini Conundrum
Sun, August 26, 2012 - 12:17 AM
OFF TOPIC; but related - sorta
">>This is the very sentence my SN encounter said to me, LOL, a cheap shot indeed ;-) "
Any mature and developed Gemini can operate - and communicate - on a mental, at least quasi-logical plane, regardless of otherwise emotional involvement. This can be disconcerting to others, who assume there is no emotion present, let alone anything "deep". Gemini can also internalize an emotion which has been decided upon by intellectual choice; i.e. reason. That quality is also wrongly construed as lacking in depth, as how can one "decide" upon a change of one's emotion if that emotion has any strength and/or depth. Think of it in Quantum Mechanical terms - particle and wave, logic and emotion - existing side by side. A duality; Gemini by definition.
Gemini duality in real life:
Dr. introduces self to patient, who is holding a book. Short discussion on topic of book occurs, followed by urgent discussion of medical condition; prognosis/possible treatment/etc. Dr. enters in patient's chart "Patient appeared calm. In fact, he was reading a book!!!" The patient was in the ER on a cardiac monitor, having been brought in via ambulance at maximum speed.
Was the patient intellectually involved? Damn straight - interesting book.
Was the patient emotionally involved? Hell yes - possibility of death was at the door.
To deprecate the emotional depth of Gemini because of the presence of its logical twin is to miss the point entirely. If involved with someone who can't (or won't) understand that duality; you're better off moving on to greener pastures.
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Wed, August 29, 2012 - 1:08 AM"No question, like all good things, this one comes to an end, but the experience stays with you forever (in other ways, not the thinking ones Paul!).
You have a great mind, if only you can experience 'deep.'"
It's common for limited imaginations to assume that one cannot be both rational as well as emotional and 'deep'.
It's best to not project our assumptions onto other people. You don't know me well enough to justify your statement about depth. Pretending otherwise fools nobody but yourself and it's always a shame when we make fools of ourselves. -
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Re: The Nodes of the Moon
Wed, August 29, 2012 - 10:40 PMWhy is it always a shame? I can think of a few times where 'making a fool' of myself actually worked to my benefit ;-)
I like that you and I share the same b-day.
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