Forecasting Techniques

topic posted Wed, November 4, 2009 - 9:19 PM by  sonah22
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I hope this is not too general, but anyway...

Outside of the study of transits I would like to know what everyone's preferred forecasting techniques are, and which ones seem to have the most impact in your opinion. Solar returns, progressions, aspects between the progressed chart and the natal...which techniques do you use? I began wondering about this after reading a few people here mention progressions and aspects from progressions, something I've never really worked with. I will say that I think the Solar Return is incredibly accurate, though in my case it's been more so with houses than aspects. Anyway, what's been your experience with forecasting techniques, and could you give examples of when they most rang true? And I know that astrology can't really be used to forecast the future, per se, but I mean more along the lines of where you look for future trends.
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  • Re: Forecasting Techniques

    Wed, November 4, 2009 - 9:34 PM
    I'd say that a few key words from people describing a question or situation that point me towards a look at the progressed chart are:
    *a growth or development
    *a shift in how they "normally are"
    *a new way of being or looking at things
    *I used to always be like this but now I feel different

    I'd say the progressed chart - from what I have seen - tends more towards showing a development of existing tendencies in a new direction. Not necessarily a total and complete change - but it can feel like a totally new evolution of being.

    For example - with mars in pisces - I am naturally quite non-competitive being a bit more tuned into the fact that when everyone succeeds around me - I also benefit from this because of the connectedness of all people. So the martian drives to win and succeed and compete got heavily filtered through compassion and helping things around me in general and trusting that sending this out would come back to me.

    Well - I guess that I had always been faced with competitive situations by the world around me. Really, I just found a new and more layered way of dealing with it than I used to. I used to shy away from it and feel the sting of broken connections and antagonism and threat between 2 individuals aong with the threat that one might degrade or weaken others in order to exalt themselves in competition - simultaneously weakening themselves because weaking those they are connected to tears at the fabric suppporting them etc etc etc ... but when mars went into aries I saw that this view of mine wasn't the whole story and I began making adjustments and growing in a new way.

    When mars progressed into aries. I was forced by the world to take another look at this approach. The need to grow and develop this martian influence in a new way, direction or level presented itself. The natal way I had learned wasn't completely abandoned, however. I took the approach of "competing to find the best solution for the community" or "recognizing the role of competition in strengthening the connections and the fabric of life around me". Still in keeping with the mars in pisces theme - but shifted a bit or adjusted or evolved along arian themes.

    Transits might sound similar to what I am talking about but there is a slight nuance to be detected. It seems to me that transits are at play when people say things like "this is the situation" or "this is what is happening to me" or ""you would never believe what happened". Progressions fall more along the lines of "I feel I have grown in this new way" or "why am I reacting to things differently now than I remember myself?"
    • Re: Forecasting Techniques

      Wed, November 4, 2009 - 9:52 PM
      "Transits might sound similar to what I am talking about but there is a slight nuance to be detected. It seems to me that transits are at play when people say things like "this is the situation" or "this is what is happening to me" or ""you would never believe what happened". Progressions fall more along the lines of "I feel I have grown in this new way" or "why am I reacting to things differently now than I remember myself?"

      Thanks, Riptide-this really clears some things up for me.

      What do you think about aspects between the natal and the progressed-why do you deem them important--I think you have a knack for explaining astrological concepts, so that's another one I don't understand. I mean, if progressions are a new "way of being or looking at things," is comparing the aspects a way of seeing if this "new way" is in harmony with the goals as presented by the natal chart?

      And what about progressed aspects? How you (and others who want tot chime in) use them?

      Thanks for your reply!
      • Re: Forecasting Techniques

        Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:13 AM
        >>>
        I mean, if progressions are a new "way of being or looking at things," is comparing the aspects a way of seeing if this "new way" is in harmony with the goals as presented by the natal chart?
        >>>

        Well - really I am no expert and just do this for fun (because I can since I have few obligations at home and things) ...
        but that is pretty much exactly what intuitively made sense to me. As we grow in one area of life, it can reference other areas of life in new ways and things. It might bring up new conflicts or harmonies or flow more easily with some things etc etc etc
        • Re: Forecasting Techniques

          Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:28 AM
          Anyone else ever use the Huber Clock?
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            Re: Forecasting Techniques

            Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:42 AM
            Paul,

            would that be the same as the time phases throughout the average human earth life span within in the chart to determine planetary milestones with the additon of frequent parans and fixed stars?

            • Re: Forecasting Techniques

              Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:47 AM
              "would that be the same as the time phases throughout the average human earth life span within in the chart to determine planetary milestones with the additon of frequent parans and fixed stars?"

              *gulp*

              Maybe. It's a clock thing that marks out major life moments. Not sure what's under the bonnet tho!
              • Re: Forecasting Techniques

                Thu, November 5, 2009 - 10:15 AM
                all kinds of books for beginners and advanced, though some may be out of print or may stiil be actively published~ www.uranianastrologer.com/Books.html
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                  Re: Forecasting Techniques

                  Thu, November 5, 2009 - 11:51 AM
                  this topic seems a bit advanced and I can't follow anything personally enough to add ot take anything from the conversation.
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                    Re: Forecasting Techniques

                    Thu, November 5, 2009 - 3:09 PM
                    For some reason I am reminded of hot air. Sometimes things go in and settle, sometimes they just go in and go right out.

                    From what I can gander astrology takes a lifetime to begin to develop any basis of understanding.
                    • Re: Forecasting Techniques

                      Thu, November 5, 2009 - 5:16 PM
                      >>>
                      For some reason I am reminded of hot air.
                      >>>

                      tehe

                      Anyway - in a way I can see your point.
                      The more variables you throw into things (progressions, angles, asteroids, midpoints ... and more) the more easy it becomes to find anything that you might be looking for.
                      To me that is one way that astrology "works".

                      Now ... ... perhaps after a lifetime I will see how it "works" in a different way that isn't so wordy ... less is more as Tim always told me! Any way - less is certainly more convincing and persuasive ... a lack of explanation and repetition does have more of an air of authority (and is easier to read ... less confusing ... more fun ... etc etc etc)

                      Of course one with real authority never need explain themselves ... so anyone who starts explaining too much incriminates themselves in a certain way.
                      I am too in love with reason and ideas to stop, however. I guess I don't care much how it makes me sound ... or how it works against my own points that I'm pointing out.

                      I can also see how some might feel that "if you have to think that much about it - there must be a simpler answer" ... (by which they might mean a better answer ... one that is more elegant or irresistable or commanding).

                      Anyway - as for me ... I like explanations of things. I like complexity too.
                      But I know its not for everyone!




                      ( ( ( It's not meant to be ;-) ) ) )
  • Re: Forecasting Techniques

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 4:33 PM
    it all depends on the question i guess. When i get stuck and cant find an acurate meaning i ask questions to this astrologer on www.astromaher.com they are pretty acurate on the answers an is cheap..
    • Re: Forecasting Techniques

      Fri, November 6, 2009 - 5:10 PM
      I am glad someone brought up questions on progression because I never understood the difference between progressions and transits..thanks riptide I think you explained it quite well but let me see if I have this right a progression is something you are continually working from (evolving) and a transit is something passing?
      • Re: Forecasting Techniques

        Fri, November 6, 2009 - 6:11 PM
        >>>
        I think you explained it quite well but let me see if I have this right a progression is something you are continually working from (evolving) and a transit is something passing?
        >>>

        Well put, I'd say!
        That's how I see it anyway!
  • Re: Forecasting Techniques

    Sun, November 8, 2009 - 10:00 AM
    A few thoughts:

    I get asked a lot about what prediction technique I would choose if I could choose only one. My answer is always the Saturnian cycle. All by itself, it can do what both transits and progressions do: It pinpoints the seven-year cycles in life, and it speaks to growth, just as progressions do.

    That having been said, I use a large variety of techniques, because lives are too complex to register with only one technique. You can see the same trends showing up in a lot of different ways. If someone is having transiting Saturn opposing Saturn, and is having one of the progressed planets changing signs, and has 29 degrees rising on a solar return, and has an eclipse to their natal Mercury....well, that all speaks to the same thing, depending on the signs and houses involved.

    One of the things I like doing is to compare the natal chart with the secondary progressed, converse secondary progressed, solar arc and converse solar arc, then put them in a ring, and note where the major transits are. I didn't think that transits and progressions could be mixed for a long time, but I do think they are valid. For example, if you have the progressed Sun moving into 00 degrees of Aries, you have to take special note that there will be a Saturn/Uranus opposition on the 00 Aries axis next summer.

    Paul, the Huber technique is one of several age point methods. It's more detailed in their book, LifeClock: The Huber Method of Timing in the Horoscope. The method takes into account that transits and progressions affect people differently, depending upon their age. It's a system that takes the whole life development into consideration, which to me makes sense. For those not familiar with the technique, the age progression "point" is an imaginary point that starts at the Ascendant, then goes around the chart counterclockwise, up to the age of 72, then starts over again at the Ascendant. It spends six years in each house.

    It's useful to know where the point is, as it gives additional depth and meaning to progressions and transits. Thus, the 1st house represents ages 0-6, the 2nd house represents 6-12, etc. If you have an age point in the 6th house, and let's say you also have a transit to the 2nd house, and a progression to the 10th house, you can see that it would mean an emphasis on work-related matters. That gives additional reinforcement to what you would have been seeing anyway with the 2nd and 10th house activity.

    You can usually expect significant years when the age point is traveling through a house where there are a lot of planets. But even in an empty house, the age point could be opposing or squaring natal planets.

    Age progression techniques make excellent "backdrops". There is another technique called profections used by the classical astrologers that also helps in forecasting matters by being a backdrop of a larger life cycle. The Hindu dasas are also very revealing throughout the lifetime.
    • Re: Forecasting Techniques

      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 10:25 AM
      Michele ~

      Do the transits and progressions get related to the natal chart as well? And if, so, how? I can see that would quickly become very complex.
      • Re: Forecasting Techniques

        Sun, November 8, 2009 - 12:20 PM


        "Do the transits and progressions get related to the natal chart as well? And if, so, how? I can see that would quickly become very complex."

        Oh yes, absolutely. That five-wheeled extravaganza I mentioned has the natal chart as the core chart. Then you see in what natal houses two sets of progressions and two sets of directions fall, taking into account the transits going on at the same time. The idea, though, is not to go into analysis paralysis. When you put something like that together, the core factors are amplified. You then notice that there is a proliferation of a particular degree, that 3 different systems activate a natal planet, or that a Moon in one system is conjunct the Sun in another. Or that the natal Ascendant is being activated by several directed and/or progressed planets. I work only with conjunctions and oppositions when doing this, as those are the great amplifiers. I also put around the five-wheeled chart (by hand) transits and eclipses and upcoming New Moons. Things are not quite as obvious all the time, but enough so that it's effective to use.

        After taking stock of that, then go into the return charts, and notice in particular where the solar return ascendant falls in the natal chart.

        I also think at a minimum if you see a degree that is repeated throughout progressions and directions, look to the Sabian symbol for that degree. Also look to the Sabian for anything that is in the 29th degree. An example: When Benedict XVI was elected Pope, he had a LOT of solar arc/solar return/etc. planets in Sagittarius, including transiting Pluto, which was conjoining his natal Midheaven of 25 Sag. He also had a solar arc Moon at 29 Sagittarius. The sabian symbol for 30 Sagittarius is "The Pope." !
        • Re: Forecasting Techniques

          Sun, November 8, 2009 - 2:00 PM
          <The idea, though, is not to go into analysis paralysis.>

          What about death spiral confusion? LOL.

          In looking at the aspects in progressions and transits, return charts, and natal charts, have you found much that speaks to any kind of themes that seem to stick around a person through time? If so, would you say that these are "generated" through the natal charts, or do you think that they are activated in a more random manner?
          • Re: Forecasting Techniques

            Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:13 AM
            Usually when I'm working with the five-chart picture, I'm focused on the 12 months ahead. However, one can see various progressed planets that will stay in one degree or so for years ahead. Or you will notice that perhaps the secondary progressed Sun has just moved into the 3rd house of the natal chart, and you know it will likely be there for another 25-30 years, which will keep an undercurrent of 3rd house themes for a long time.

            When you speak of a theme that sticks around, I think there are certain life themes that we do deal with until our deaths. Those are most likely framed in the natal chart, though they can be activated through time depending upon progressions, directions and transits. It's important to remember that the activation itself is not a one-note event--it changes and matures with you.

            A good example of a theme is in John F. Kennedy's chart. He was born on May 29, 1917. On that day, Mercury had just gone direct, with Uranus going retrograde on that day also, and formed a square aspect. You can see where Mercury/Uranus themes dominated all through Kennedy's life. For one thing, he lost two siblings (Mercury) in plane crashes (Uranus). He had to pick up his fallen sibling's duty to run for the presidency (Mercury again rules siblings). He was a gifted writer (Mercury/Uranus). He popularized television (Uranus) debates (Mercury). He challenged the US to put a man on the Moon (Uranus) by space travel (Mercury). He also was riding in a car (Mercury) when he was unexpectedly (Uranus) assassinated.

            Michele
    • Re: Forecasting Techniques

      Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:09 AM
      Michele

      "Paul, the Huber technique is..."

      Thanks michele! Personally I think I prefer the huber clock and transits to other forecasting methods but didn't really know how the huber clock us calculated. I may check out that book you listed!

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