why, oh why are pisceans so JEALOUS!

topic posted Sun, October 7, 2007 - 5:04 AM by  rêve
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hi everyone!!

Ok, so I'm humbly and very ashamedly admitting this terrible, agonising trait.

Why are we like that?

Which of you wouldn't mind a lot of jealousy...

Aaaaaaah!
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  • Re: why, oh why are pisceans so JEALOUS!

    Sun, October 7, 2007 - 5:47 AM
    Because our live is so pure, we expect the same devotion in return, but rarely ever get it. Learning to love unconditionally is a hard lesson!
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      Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:09 AM
      I don't see "us" as being particularly jealous --no more so than any of the other yin signs. As for purity, gimme a break! How can the unconditional drain filter or doormat of the zodiac claim to be pure?
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        Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:14 AM
        And sure, learning to love unconditionally is hard, but it comes more naturally to pisces than any other sign. A better question is why does pisces feel so put upon when it obviously invites more misery than any other sign?
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          Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:52 AM
          well,that's what masochism is,and Pisces are always a bit masochistic,aren't they?Speaking for myself,though,I tend to complain or try to project a "bittered" image sometimes,just so ppl don't realize I enjoy suffering.They could use that against me(if they're smart enough...).Well,maybe Pisces invite misery more than others because,being the most mature of signs,they realize that suffering brings the most spectacular and complete transformations-akin to the catapillar-turns-into-a-butterfly transformation.
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    Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:43 AM
    I've been surrounded by Pisces family members and friends, even mates......and did not find them to be very jealous.
    I would suspect it deals more with a person's insecurity, which can be caused by many factors...... not really a zodiac thing.
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      Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:54 AM
      I'm a Pisces Sun, and am not really very jealous at all. I can be insecure at times, which can lead to serious clinginess, but that's not the same as jealousy. As long as I'm secure (and that has more to do with my life at large than my partner) I'm one of the least jealous or possessive people you'll find.

      Keep in mind that there's a difference between jealousy, possessiveness, and territorialism. Each one requires a different approach.

      Of course, there's also the "divine right of imperious me-firstness" which I will also admit to...but that's my nasty old Cancer ascendant!
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        Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:38 PM
        Ha ha...i have that too...both of those...cancer ascendant and divine right of imperious me-firstness...pisces sun as well.

        I have serious place-me-on-a-pedestal issues...i also have more than one grand trine in my chart.
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    Sun, October 7, 2007 - 11:12 AM
    There is a special sort of jealousy I recognize in myself.
    If I am dating someone and the .... for example....start exchanging love letters with someone else...

    bye- bye ... I wish you the best with her, love, really

    Or if someone is flirting with me but also with many other girls it is kinda like...ok when you decide let me know

    I think that is a type of jealousy that comes from demanding a certain type of devotion that maybe isn't so realistic? I don't know, I am not an expert at this by any means!
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    Sun, October 7, 2007 - 5:28 PM
    pisces also embodies the whole martyr thing,
    i think suffering can create an array of enigmatic guilt that causes a person to be destructive and maybe jealousy is one of those ways?
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      Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:08 PM
      Aha, the Aquarius factor! Me too...Venus and Mercury plus a whole lot of asteroids in Aquarius (Mars in Gemini, too) which does admittedly tone down the "watery" element in my romantic life. I can be a bit detached at times, though I won't put up with deceitful behavior for one second...I just leave.

      For instance, I had one long-term partner who was bisexual, and I never had a problem with his dating a guy or two, so long as he talked to me about it, practiced safe sex, and didn't start seriously neglecting our relationship. He rarely took advantage of the arrangement, and we got along well on that level.

      But I had another who seemed to get off on "getting one over on me" by seeing other women behind my back and then making up stupid lies...that I simply could not stand. It was an insult to my intellect, and a blow to my self-respect. So...I left. Period.
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    Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:41 AM
    No, I didin't mean jealous in general- in fact I never get jealous of anyone.

    ONLY with regard to relationships i.e past lovers of your partner; past flames etc etc
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      Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:54 AM
      Insecurity hands down causes jealousy . Is this is a Piscean trait ?
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        Tue, October 9, 2007 - 6:47 PM
        "Insecurity hands down causes jealousy . Is this is a Piscean trait ? "
        Hummm..well lets see. It is a Pisces trait to hand out trust often too easily.
        I feel Pisces / 12 has a lot to do w/ acceptance. Though with this trust/ acceptance maybe if not given the proper attention, or seen by the Piscean as taken advantage of...
        Well then you may find the Mars-Aries part of Pisces come out..
        Scorpio, remember has mars as a co-ruler, and I have seen this aggressive protective intimately.
        emotion energy in all 3 water signs.
        Pisces get accusation-al (I know not a word)
        Scorpio- gets.... well.. we've all felt it, a quiet Rage..
        Cancer gets hurt, and can often get very mean...
        At least this is my experience w/ folks I know and Sun signs..
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      Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:28 AM
      ONLY with regard to relationships i.e past lovers of your partner; past flames etc etc
      ~~~~~~~

      this does seem like 'insecurity' rather than 'jealousy' & 'insecurity' is a Piscean trait (Neptune is so *foggy*)

      if you are putting your mind (air) ahead of your heart (water & fire) then you are more likely to get lost in the insecure second guessing of what your deeper emotions & spirit are telling you ~ don't ignore your mind, but don't let it undermine your deeper sense of *knowing* ~ Piscean security is to be found in trusting the heart, above all else (without losing touch with reality, of course, but as long as you keep SOME balance & don't go all the way to one side or the other(s), than you will be fine!)

      love all-ways,
      mem
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    Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:31 AM
    I have to say in general the Piceans I know are not very jealous. I

    n fact sometimes it seems like there is always a certain level of detachment. Almost like only part of them is really there with you at any given moment ...the other part somewhere ethereal or in the collective consiousness. Sometimes you know they love you...as a fellow human being of fthe human race....but not necessarily you as an individual.

    I do love Pisces though....I am just more connected to the earth sometimes.
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    Tue, October 9, 2007 - 5:09 PM
    speak for yourself, i'm a cold 12 house fish.

    scorpios on the other hand are very jealous..maybe you should ask one of them instead?

    oh -oh, now i'm stirring some....
    ;-)
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      Tue, October 9, 2007 - 6:13 PM
      welcome back star, i'm pretty sure you're right, this time :)
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        Tue, October 9, 2007 - 6:17 PM
        i have a hard time keeping my pisces and scorpio untangled, but i was thinking about these threads on my way home tonight, and I'm pretty sure that my fishes can usually go with the flow and it's the scorpio in my lower chakras that typically finds the real trouble with things.
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          Tue, October 9, 2007 - 6:43 PM
          Again...it is hard for me to tell whether my reaction is a "cold fish" thing or a "scorpio uranus midpoint thing" uranus=sun/moon=MC/IC=pluto/neptune=saturn/venus=mars/jupiter=vertex/descendant=ascendant/chiron
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            Tue, October 9, 2007 - 7:55 PM
            Whats the difference between an insercurty.... and jelousy? I notice that alot of Pisces I know... seem to project an insercurty that can be seen as jelousy in my eyes anyways.

            Since the element of water deals with fears...and all that lovely stuff!
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              Tue, October 9, 2007 - 9:18 PM
              a year or two ago there were some "crybaby" threads pointing fingers between pisces and scorpio (i'll bet you remember them Q)
              those dialogs convinced me that scorpio is the less secure of the two. piscean courage can be fathomless.
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                Tue, October 9, 2007 - 9:21 PM
                we're not afraid to die, or live after any part of us dies.
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                  Tue, October 9, 2007 - 9:41 PM
                  I think it's the Libra time of year. LIbra women can be hot and smart, and creative among other things. Where are the Libra women 'round here?

                  Come to think of it, the Libra dudes I've met have been pretty sympatico, compatico as well.

                  Plenty of time for fishin' in Feb & March!

                  :P

                  ~V~
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                    Tue, October 9, 2007 - 10:06 PM
                    maaan, all that about piscean insecurity...phhhhuleeese!
                    hasn't anyone considered that it's your own insecurity we are feeling...we are like sponges..we soak up that what is around our atmosphere and usually it's not something that has come to awareness by the other..yet...unfortunately.
                    some call it a gift some a curse...i do believe some scorpios have experienced this too...shhhh...but i can bet you that all pisces have felt this at one point if not many throughout their lives...
                    the problem pisceans have is not sorting, or not being able to, or not being aware of yet, of what is who's.
                    we end up carrying a lot of baggage that isn't ours.
                    good thing i got an aries ascendant to ram me out of the mess.

                    and yes, i've seen some very insecure pisceans too, all to eager to please, not knowing when to stop, rose colored glasses full tilt, what not. just like i've seen it in all other signs as well. can insecurity be pinned on a sign? can jelousy, and how will each sign experience and express it?

                    interesting indeed...good nite.

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                      Wed, October 10, 2007 - 12:08 AM
                      can insecurity be pinned on a sign? can jelousy, and how will each sign experience and express it?
                      ~~~~~~~~

                      I call jealousy (& competitiveness) for Scorpio ~ nobody is more jealous than me!
                      <and/or more willing to admit it>

                      love all-ways,
                      mem
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                        Wed, October 10, 2007 - 10:04 AM
                        i call denial and non involvement for pisces...typical cold fish with rose colored glasses.
                        something about the 12 house that sees past things and at the same time doesn't have the care in the world for that 'lower' emotional drama. ;-)

                        passive aggressive for cancer...hands down.
                        from a scorpio i've seen it as an attack, but not full out attack like that of a jealous bull! the scorpio attack was more
                        to undermine my memory, senses and feelings. the insecurity would manifest itself at the oddest times, like when for instance i was feeling completely content with the relationship and things were actually going well.
                        i call paranoia for the scorpio. also the attack was part retreat. not as passive aggressive as the cancer,
                        but it had some elements.
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                          Wed, October 10, 2007 - 10:08 AM
                          the scorpio attack was more to undermine my memory, senses and feelings. the insecurity would manifest itself at the oddest times, like when for instance i was feeling completely content with the relationship and things were actually going well.
                          ~~~~~~~~~

                          ooh! good one! thanx for the 'tip'
                          ;)

                          love all-ways,
                          mem
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                            Wed, October 10, 2007 - 10:15 AM
                            ps ~ i call paranoia for the scorpio.
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~

                            I'll cop to that, but add pronoia, too www.pronoia.net/def.html
                            <just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out out get me!>

                            also the attack was part retreat. not as passive aggressive as the cancer,
                            but it had some elements.
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~

                            yes ~ the Cancer attack is so unconscious (& automatic) on their part that they effectively ignore the whole incident (that's why it hits so deep), the Scorpio is usually at least partially aware that there is an attack going on & strategizes defensive movement in addition to the attack
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                              Wed, October 10, 2007 - 11:49 AM
                              yeah...but accusing someone of cheating when they weren't even 'thinking' of it?
                              even to the point of accusing me of it with someone i absolutely had no desire for then or years later?
                              then calling me a cold fish cuz i didn't wanna put my energy on what seemed like very trivial matters that only stemmed from his insecurity?
                              i like to focus on more productive means.
                              i could understand their insecurity if i was 'thinking it' and they were 'sensing it'.
                              i simply saw it as a childich cry for attention.

                              many years later i realized how he felt. it wasn't so much what he was accusing me of, it was more that he needed validation.
                              not sure why he needed it so much, but it didn't help for me to nullify the discussions.
                              he couldn't detach himself from it, he had no objectivity whatsoever.
                              my disinterest grew, his agitation mounted.

                              i hated the doubt, or paranoia, or insecurity...coupled with the 'i'm always right' fixed attitudes of scorpio. i do believe the taurus moon didn't help oppose this double scorpiness either.
                              what was confusing was for someone supposingly so deep and seeking truth (which was a big turnon) they sure made up a lot of drama and lies to cover themselves with like an uncomfortable blanket that they knew all too well. habit and denial runs deep no matter
                              what sign.

                              i chose the cancer. as much as i detest passive aggressive because it feels like masturbation rather then dialogue, i find that this cancer is a lot more rational then the instinctual and passionate scorpio. i like rational. i like cut and dry. i hate drama.
                              i find that over the years the passive aggressiveness has wore itself out...would the paranoia wore out or would it have escelated and i in turned myself into a victim role? that always troubled me, hard not to become a victim when you put yourself in that situation knowingly.

                              ai, i hijacked the thread...blame it on my aries rising! ;-)
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                    Tue, October 9, 2007 - 10:44 PM
                    I used to go to these astrology meetings... mostly everyone at them were Scorpios, Pisces, and Aquarians....

                    Maybe it is like that even here.....

                    V you should start a thread to sport all the Libras in the tribe!
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                      Tue, October 9, 2007 - 11:30 PM
                      mostly everyone at them were Scorpios, Pisces, and Aquarians...

                      makes sense to me: Pisces sun, Aq moon and Scorpio rising

                      don't notice a disproportionate number of aquarians around here though.

                      there's a registry thread of suns moons and risings in the archives somewhere that's beeen crunched . . . i know that pisces and scorpio were among the most common.
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                  Tue, October 9, 2007 - 10:23 PM
                  (off topic question.... whats up with Scorpios and Pisces? They seem to be best friends or worse enemies...And both cannot seem to stop talking about the other....)

                  koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/essays/fearx2.htm

                  A couple paragraphs from this artice...

                  Watery Fears

                  Water signs and houses (IV, VIII and XII) reflect energies that easily spread around, they intrude and 'infect' others by their mere presence. But it is an either/or phenomenon like many other phenomena in astrology: Water people either infect others or are easily infected by others, sometimes they do both. The same applies to strong Neptune and even strong Neptune aspects in any sign. Water is also the element of feelings, from the most intense passions to depressing fears and horrors. Watery fears are often diffuse, vague, they resemble Neptunian anxieties that come from unconscious depths or psychic or telepathic sources. Yet, they are not necessarily irrational at all, you just have to understand how the invisible forces work.

                  WATER AFRAID

                  Fear is not an unknown emotion to us. - Neil Armstrong (Sun conjunct Uranus in Pisces, Saturn in Scorpio)

                  A lot of water doesn't mean having more fears than others, often on the contrary: if water is your natural element, you yourself are used to swimming confidently around. But water can still moisten anything around, it can dampen fire, make earth into mud or air foggy. Water's psychic tendencies can create fears in representatives of other elements even when water itself feels fine. In other words, others can live through or act out deep unconscious fears and pressures they get through infiltration from their water friends, without the water person being conscious of those fears at all.

                  Scorpio is the strongest water sign and usually able to resist anything it wants, fears often included. Thus it's often difficult to imagine that a Scorpio would be scared and full of fears. Yet despite all its powers Scorpio can experience very deep and poweful fears, but Scorpionic fears are seldom about other people or the environment, Scorpio usually feels well able to control such things. Most of the time a Scorpion fears herself or himself:

                  I am afraid of myself.
                  Not this darkness, not this night,
                  not these blinds in front of open questions,
                  but this self and its depth
                  scares me.
                  - Lasse Heikkilä, Finnish writer (Sun-Saturn in Scorpio, Moon conjunct Pluto)

                  Death is another uncontrollable thing. Scorpio, the ruler of death, isn't usually afraid of death as a phenomenon, but it can be quite afraid of the world beyond. For instance, Ludwig Wittgenstein (Scorpio rising) felt "metaphysical horror" and Hobbes (Saturn in the Scorpio-dwad of Taurus) had a terrible fear of ghosts. Other water signs, Cancer and Pisces, are more likely to be afraid of things in this world although they do not fear the physical world as such; instead the object of their fears is more often the invisible psychic atmosphere and sometimes imaginary things and the pressure of the past.

                  According to Peter Damian Cancer is open to feelings and fears that are known or can be recognized, Pisces for unknown psychic intrusions and fears emerging from the depths of the unconscious. In addition, Pisces and rising Neptune are known to suffer from phobias. And Wolfgang Döbereiner writes how Cancer has all its strengths right in the fourth house, thus all Cancer's attributes are oriented toward the fourth house, not toward the outside world. Therefore, Cancer has to be afraid of the outside world.

                  Cancer and Pisces are both psychically sensitive signs, in fact most Cancerians and Piscerians live immersed in psychic energy fields to such a degree that they often have a hard time knowing the difference between psychic and physical worlds. This means that they both radiate or spread psychic energies, and thus also easily fear energies around. Not on purpose of course, but a sensitive and receptive person from any other sign coming close to them will feel those psychic energies. Some will love the feeling, others will become unconfortable or, if they have problems with psychic sensitivity, scared.


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                    Tue, October 9, 2007 - 10:43 PM
                    Steve-ya I remember, I also remeber a few other points, but lets not start that crap up again..
                    Allan- yes Ive seen this all my life. Even though cancer 1st water Pisces 3rd. if you forget the # assigned and see the never ending circle.
                    I have felt long before really getting into astro stuff past, Sun, rising, and moon, that Scorpio and Pisces or sort of 2 extreems. w/ Cancer in the middle, as a matter of fact that's exactly were I've felt many a times.""will you to just knock it off, and comprimize" No not usually. Scorpio shuts off w/ the Cold insistant Taurean stuborness, and Pisces just ...well swims away is a good way to put it.. both have a seemingly fixed way about them, Maybe thats just the Piscean (All the signs thing).
                    I've seen hells fire furry come between them though...
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                      Tue, October 9, 2007 - 11:05 PM
                      Thats the thing that confuses me the most Q I think.... Being a Cancer, and having bunches of Scorpios and Pisces come to me for advice..Just like a middle man! Though I will amit... that they seem to have a hard time seeing the world from an interalized perspective.

                      Maybe it has to do with the spead... As Pisces and Scorpio are both above the horizon, and Cancer is below.
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                        Tue, October 9, 2007 - 11:40 PM
                        well gee I never thought of it that way..
                        Huh
                        Cancer emotional foundation 4th
                        Scorpio the right hand 8th Pisces the left 12th..
                        Hummmm..
                        I have done some thinking about how those 3 houses work togeather, but didn't really think of it
                        on the signs level...
                        Intersting..Moon the closest body, Nept. and Pluto. the farthest..
                        Cool...
                        Cancer- don't we kinda try to take care of all the signs, just a special connection to the other 2 water signs?
                        But ya thats just what I'm talking about.. another funny part of Cancer sun.. we were conceived in or arounf Libra don't ya know...I think if Libra ballences our intimate realationships, Isn't that heart stuff water, kinda. but if it's Air, then We as cardnal water, al least attemt to ballence water..the right and left hand...oooow I like that...
                        Dam grand water trine...lol
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              Thu, October 11, 2007 - 5:16 AM
              jealousy is romantic,and soo natural for someone who's in love...it's got nothing to do with insecurity;before u can become one with somebody else,u have to clear off the branches from ur path,right?
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                Thu, October 11, 2007 - 6:00 AM
                sandra: "clear off the branches from ur path"??

                How do you mean? I'm more thinking about being jealous about things you can't control and have happened in THEIR past. i.e past loves or connections.. and then when one of those connections or past lovers randomly emails your partner... I was fuming.. quietly of course

                aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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                  Thu, October 11, 2007 - 3:55 PM
                  well,those are the "branches" u have to cut down,then;I mean,make sure that he only sees you;it's not that hard;just leave the jealousy fits behind,for a while,and focus on "re-conquering" him.
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                    Thu, October 11, 2007 - 4:00 PM
                    I welcome the challenge!

                    I mean, between me & "branches" where is the competition? throw in some strippers, just for good measure....

                    love all-ways,
                    mem
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                      Thu, October 11, 2007 - 6:30 PM
                      Hey girls..note fron a guy here on jealousy..
                      I can be totally devoted to 1 woman. And I usually am if I'm in love w/ one, even when it get messed up, this lingers for a while, Cancers ya know..
                      But my point: even while in the devotion, I mat inocently flirt, or even have (caveman) knee jerk reactions to another woman, this doesn't mean I's ever act on these knee jerks. I have had several times
                      (Pisces has been my seeming choise of loves. 3 of them all w/ cancer moons)
                      anyway many Jealous reactions from them for this outward flirtation. Scorpio asc, I think I can't help it, it's just in my nature, I even pride my self on giving a bit of excitement to woman here and there, It feel good to be flirty, I've even been thanked by thier boyfriends for sparking some passon that they got the benefit of...
                      that sensing of atractions, and the posible competing...well My advice is have fun w/ this stuff but don't alow it to make you pull back from a posible great relationship..

                      It's funny one of those Pisces used to call me "My David" ya kinda like a possetion.. but ya know I liked it, I'd turn and smile and say "Yes your David, all yours". It was really rather sweet, even if it came from a slight sence of insecurity. you see we all have some, to some extent, and a bit of reasurance that that love is still there and promiced, ain't all that bad a thing...
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                Thu, October 11, 2007 - 8:37 AM
                >>>before u can become one with somebody else,u have to clear off the branches from ur path

                i like your saying sandra!

                so, jealousy is really 'how' one perceives jealousy!

                romantically put it doesn't seem all that bad.
                intellectually jealousy makes little sense beacause we don't own other beings.
                i guess both people need to be similarly thinking/feeling types for it to be a positive thing..

                thanks for the 'ahhhhh-haaa!' moment :-)
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    Wed, October 10, 2007 - 6:14 AM
    I know a Scorpio with a Pisces moon. He seems to get along quite well with himself. : )
    His friends are also very loyal to him...... good people.
    As for jealousy, as long as he has met the person you are friends with, he isn't bad about you being with them. I think he likes to judge them for himself first. I don't perceive more insecurities in him than others I have known.
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    Wed, October 10, 2007 - 2:25 PM
    my thing....

    I am pretty sure that i am rock solid about picking up on people's attractions before they even know/will admit it themselves.
    I have never been wrong.
    I guess being that sensitive...it's like...wow they want to be with THAT OTHER person...I want them to be happy so I guess I will let them go!

    only this...
    is there anyone out there who actually never thinks about or wants another besides the one they are committed to?
    I am beginning to think I need more balance and expect too much and am too quick to swim away.
    There is something to be said for fighting for the attention of the one you desire, I suppose. I am always wanting to love them with that pure agape unconditional style love that doesn't so much fight to keep the person ... the way that I might need to learn to in order to find love in this banal mundane imperfect broken world called reality.

    I mean honestly, I caught my boyfriend in highschool exchanging letters (no I didn't even read them...didn't need to) with my best friend. I got instantly "turned off". A week later I broke up with him and that weekend they started dating!!
    I didn't even feel upset until they got uncomfortable around me several weeks later and started avoiding me.
    It was like...I'm not mad...is that ok with you two?

    I think that sometimes romance is more fun for some people when they feel like they have "won" their lover from someone else and their lover chose them over someone else. Jealousy seems to heighten the whole experience for them in some perverse way.

    Me....I want that elusive total committment that I always give to the one I love. If a man I am dating starts looking at/wanting/thinking about other girls I feel certain that they must not actually love me the way I love them and I let go.
    I don't know if what I want exists right now...and I am not sure what to do.
    And yes, sadly, I have become slightly jaded by now >.<

    Interesting thing I have begun relying on: I can adore the man I love in this unconditional agape sort of way very happily even if they don't also love me or even know how I feel...as long as I can have that protective mist barrier so that they don't find out and expose me. For some reason when that exposure happens...it is like that love has to either fully awaken or pass on because it has reached the consciousness of another.
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      Thu, October 11, 2007 - 6:06 AM
      Pi314 (what's your name!!) You have pretty much summed up me.

      Although I think that why we lose hope when that mist is broken and our real love/ feelings are discovered is because we might be afraid of rejection right then and there. i.e once they realise how we really feel that gives them the power or something and the thought of them knowingly having that power to tear out our hearts makes us swim away as quickly/ willingly as we do
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        Re: why, oh why are pisceans so JEALOUS!

        Thu, October 11, 2007 - 7:50 AM
        "Although I think that why we lose hope when that mist is broken and our real love/ feelings are discovered is because we might be afraid of rejection right then and there. i.e once they realise how we really feel that gives them the power or something and the thought of them knowingly having that power to tear out our hearts makes us swim away as quickly/ willingly as we do"

        Maybe it is a fear of rejection...

        One thing I am thinking is like...so much of my being is buried deep in that subconscious dream world. Keeping that little bubble safe and pure from influence of the outside world allows me to exist. If it bursts I suddenly become confused between your stuff-my stuff-communal stuff etc. etc.

        I am thinking about...an oasis in the desert
        with walls all around
        so that when the sand storms blow through
        the little plants and homes are not blown a way

        If that wall comes down and a sandstorm comes through...it all gets lost in the blowing sand!
        buried

        those plants and homes cannot exist without that wall because of interference from the outside.

        it could be rejection, it could be... anything!
        blowing sand.

        sometimes the thoughts and feelings of others feel like a sandstorm...wiping out the face of the land and losing everything in a snowy haze of particles...at least to me.

        so how in the world...

        i know

        that little walled-in-oasis must stand firm in quiet and secret solitude
        then the little villagers can go out and grow the oasis and plant more and more trees and things so that if a sandstorm comes, it is so vast that only the edges will ge brushed by sand and the rest will thrive.
        until the oasis gets big and strong enough, that central little walled-in area must stand :)

        if the planting of that vaster larger oasis around the central walled-in protected area proves impossible...it is time to abandon ship and move into a different one to try again.
        • Re: why, oh why are pisceans so JEALOUS!

          Thu, October 11, 2007 - 8:06 AM
          I know what you're on about.. Being in our own world I'm beginning to realise is like a protection/ shield against the real world and the harsher realities of life.

          Although I wouldn't say i'm as visual as you! But it was a good analogy. Maybe mine is more of a mermaid palace: Under the warm sea surface where it's quiet and colourful, the perfect escape

          shit i'm really beginning to sound like the token fish aren't I?!
    • Re: why, oh why are pisceans so JEALOUS!

      Thu, October 11, 2007 - 8:45 AM
      "I can adore the man I love in this unconditional agape sort of way very happily even if they don't also love me or even know how I feel...as long as I can have that protective mist barrier so that they don't find out and expose me. For some reason when that exposure happens...it is like that love has to either fully awaken or pass on because it has reached the consciousness of another."

      These words feel like they were plucked from my very soul. I have recently been "exposed" to such a good friend and occasional lover. He admitted feelings, I was terrified of my own and went straight into a "deer in headlights" reaction. He backed away because of his own stuff. Things were in this weird gray area for a bit, we confronted it. He said "friends not lovers right now". I really struggled for a bit because things were as far as they could go in the moment, and I didn't really want things to progress any further because of outside circumstances, but the pain of the rejection was a lot to bear. I backed away and travelled a bit. Came back and things feel normal again. I'm back in my mist loving him and back in the moment. Feels much better.
  • Re: why, oh why are pisceans so JEALOUS!

    Sun, October 28, 2007 - 11:41 PM
    I seem to attract and be attracted to pisces and with my experience with them they dont really seem jealous and they kinda keep you guessing on their feelings for you..Your important when together and you know or think that they care either by actions or by them telling you they do.. But then theres something that you cant quite put ur finger on leaving you not so sure.. and at times they seem distant or somewhere else..

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