Tribe.net. Local Connections bluehorses http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#83472c93-8421-40a6-94b1-679190c6f193 2007-12-19T05:00:22Z 2007-12-19T05:00:22Z

I have natal pluto trine moon and sun, and venus trine uranus. And mars opp pluto. I tend to go for people with strong pluto and or uranus in their charts. I see a lot of strong synastry pluto /moon aspects (easy and hard- usually double synastry) and uranus/venus trines. And mars aspecting mars and/or pluto. Over and over again. Most of the synastry that I relate to is fire and water. My moon is sag and I find attractions to people who have strong sag influences or strong jupiter aspects to their sun. None of this surprises me. I like it. I haven't liked the saturn interferences that have stagnated things many times. I have saturn square sun natally and have had a lot of yucky saturn synastry that ignoring or thinking positively about hasn't helped... The house placements in the synastry seem to have been pretty accurate. For instance in one my mars was in his 11th house and I was seen as nothing but a fun friend. His was in my 5th.... Oh well. In another his sun in my 8th which was really nice for me, but my sun or moon (I forget) was in his 7th, and I didn't feel that way at all. I have one friendship that at one point I had hoped for more, and that synastry is really interesting and is close to a grand sextile. A lot of the synastry aspects are completely reversed in their effects. The house placements seem to go the normal way. Weird. For some reason I've had friendships and attractions to people who have strong natal 12th house placements lately. Not sure why. In all but one I think they become more aware of their own 12th house stuff through me. But I think that's something transitory. It doesn't seem to effect me nearly as much as them. I do have transiting neptune trine my asc right now, that could be part of it.

bluehorses 2007-12-19T05:00:22Z Rachel http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#a14c90f6-8ec8-4c1f-8a1a-06635ae0dc17 2007-12-19T04:01:36Z 2007-12-19T04:01:36Z

I'm curious as to how you connected all the planets using my uranus midpoint.. I'm still trying to understand it. What did you mean by uranus square= moon? I think I'm one sextile short of having a kite pattern. My saturn and pluto have a very wide orb, astro.com didn't even consider it a sextile. Guys I tend to fall for usually have their venus either in my 3rd, 9th, or 6th(conjuncts, opposes, and squares my uranus). The 5th and 11th house venus in synastry would square my pluto, haven't been involved with guys who squared my pluto. It's very interesting how you analyzed my pattern. You went for the ruler of my pluto's sign, being the only planet that disconnects with my uranus. I guess that's why I need someone's venus to connect with my uranus. I have yet to meet someone who harmoniously actiavtes my uranus. Maybe that will be more stable without losing all the excitement. :-) Thanks Pi for reading my chart

Rachel 2007-12-19T04:01:36Z deb http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#ae5594e1-a03c-4268-956b-dfd15e38df0e 2007-12-15T19:36:43Z 2007-12-15T19:36:43Z

Uranus is in my 7th, co-ruling my ascendant through intercepted Aquarius. Uranus is quintile Venus in Scorpio in the 9th. Aquarians, 11th house placement of others and in my own 11th factor strongly. Conjunctions and hard aspects to my Venus and Uranus are also important elements of attraction for me. I like the eccentric, genius, bohemian, unique, humanitarian, big hearted, future-minded, intellectual. I adore a sense of humor, especially a witty one. An ingenious mind is also nectar for this bee, as well as physical attractiveness in a unique sort of way. And if they are an extremely sexual and sensual being then they've got me.

deb 2007-12-15T19:36:43Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#ff1a8273-714b-402a-97bd-2f6b7f7dc46c 2007-12-14T21:30:11Z 2007-12-14T21:30:11Z

Hope I can get to where you are some day Coors! With that trust, especially - and freedom. The uranus in me demands that!

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-14T21:30:11Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#eebfa049-a12e-4f11-bfda-ab91f5545389 2007-12-14T18:11:20Z 2007-12-14T18:11:20Z

Rachel...I wouln't call it settled...but I can reate to your friend's view... I like quirky but not out there people and a less constricting relationship. We both have lots of water which needs emotional intimacy so I think it prevents too much unconventianality...I do feel that this relationship has lots of space...we are both very independent people and we both have very high levels of trust that we want to exist in a relationship...to trust that someone is not cheating on me allows me to feel comfortable if they want to go on a vacation away from me for awhile..and I want that freedom too. I do not want to be joined at the hip....(esxcept for when my Scorpio Moon starts screaming). Our composite is very interesting anyway (Sun,Merc and Venus all in my 7th house and all in his 1rst house, and Composite Sun and Venus conjunct his natal moon and composite moon conjunct my natal sun)....and we have sun trine uranus too. Interestingly .....along the uranus theme...I natally have mercury square uranus and he has mercury opposite uranus...there is no aspect in the composite though they are both in water signs. For both of us Uranus is a prominent planet....

Coors 2007-12-14T18:11:20Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#b68f8887-822b-4a69-aef8-3541af71d705 2007-12-14T16:58:58Z 2007-12-14T16:58:58Z

I found it so interesting that you have a strange uranus pattern like mine that I had to look in your chart Rachel! I won't say too much, but here is what I noticed (it is quite similar to my chart btw) Uranus midpoint pattern: Uranus square= moon/juno=neptune/sun=vertex+mercury/IC=saturn/mars=jupiter/Nnode=MC/pluto. Missing planets in this structure: chiron+venus in taurus (ruled by venus), Ascendant, Descendant GFT (grand fire trine) kiting to retro pluto in libra - so venus is the house ruler for your pluto that is making your GFT into a kite. A person with venus squaring your uranus will fill in a lot of that influential venus energy that rules your kiting pluto but is not represented currently in your midpoint structure. Looks like it would totally re-focus the chart from a uranus midpoint to a venus midpoint and "light you up" with venus energy...like a tranformation. It probably activates that GFT nicely. I have something analagous. I have GWT (grand water trine) and uranus = sun/moon=vertex/descendant= blah blah blah you can look in my chart but just like you, my uranus brings in every part of my chart except for mercury in my case (my chart ruler and the ruler of the house uranus is in). Analogous to your venus. So for me it is people with stuff around 20ish taurus 12th house which opposes that scorpio uranus and reforms my uranus midpoint structure. But this happens in my 12th house instead of for you happening in the 5th and 11th houses. Interesting to note: One of the persons I noticed this pattern with since getting interested in astrology had mercury opposing uranus...kinda like you and your venus squaring urans. I wonder about the other guy - don't have his chart or birth date any more because ... I purged it all out of me lol! Now for you, someone's venus squaring your uranus and falling in your 5th or 11th house sounds like a strong friendship or a pleasurable experience in general and quite exciting. For me, someone's mercury opposing my uranus and falling in my 12th house is just WIERD and confusing every single time. I'm at a loss actually and don't even know what to do anymore.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-14T16:58:58Z peekaboo! http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#970293e9-d1a4-4f39-9639-071eea133a75 2007-12-14T10:18:01Z 2007-12-14T10:18:01Z

my romantic interests all have strong Aquarian influences. i'll check the others'...

peekaboo! 2007-12-14T10:18:01Z Rachel http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#29d4bb41-a132-4a05-855c-c829cfdb090d 2007-12-14T09:34:10Z 2007-12-14T09:34:10Z

No matter how varied our tastes are it would always have a constant pattern. That is very interesting. Uranus played a big role in my synastries but not in my natal chart. It's in my 3rd house and it only makes 2 aspects, one is a quincux to my sun, the other a very wide square. It doesn't make any contact with my natal venus. Where is your uranus located in your natal chart, Pi? I know a guy who has venus square uranus in his natal, and he has an eccentric attitude about women. I wouldn't say he likes weird ones or weird relationship setting. He just doesnt adhere to any values that are typical of his culture. Like you Coors, he's also torn between being committed and being free. And I think that's why I liked him With venus trine uranus in your composite chart.. do you feel that your relationship now is more settled since it's a more harmonius aspect? With venus and mars contacts, I can vouch for the conjunction. Its reputation for being hot and heavy holds true. I agree with what others have said already. You'll keep encountering the aspects and signs which are a major issue for you and whose lesson you will need to learn until you evolve. I wonder what we need to learn with our uranus aspecting venus in synastry. Will it be incorporating our freedom-loving spirit in a very committed relationship, or just find a relationship that's more eccentric, non traditional?

Rachel 2007-12-14T09:34:10Z deb http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#17118ad1-8fcf-462c-91e5-196880727cdd 2007-12-14T04:48:40Z 2007-12-14T04:48:40Z

I've noticed that in my own synastry with friends and lovers that Venus is alway in a trine, sextile, or conjunction with Mars with my friends, and in square with Mars in the serious sexual attractions. I think this may be because my own Venus and Mars are in trine in my natal chart. Perhaps I need a real kick in the butt to get things going.

deb 2007-12-14T04:48:40Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#30aba649-5234-4af9-a192-23d95146a048 2007-12-13T15:21:52Z 2007-12-13T15:21:52Z

Interesting Rachel....I actually naturally have a venus square uranus in my birthchart..so when it shows up in synastry I am not surprised. Also my current partner has natal venus quinicunx his uranus. So we both have the same struggle with wanting to be free and wanting to be close and I think that makes it easier to understand. Interestingly in our composite venus is trine uranus.

Coors 2007-12-13T15:21:52Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#b96ec3e9-c7ad-4b32-8f37-e2729b98325a 2007-12-13T06:07:01Z 2007-12-13T06:07:01Z

This is interesting because I have similar uranus patterns in my synastry! Now...if it were me....I would start looking at the house and general place your uranus is taking up that makes it such a "must have" cuz I'd be curious!

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-13T06:07:01Z Rachel http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#49c2721c-2c62-4772-8f44-2243215b65a5 2007-12-13T02:43:49Z 2007-12-13T02:43:49Z

Hi All, Looking for recurring themes and patterns in synastry has been an interest of mine. I have a very specific pattern I noticed, both with my friends and with my past romantic partners. When it comes to platonic relationships, a large number of my friends are leos. I usually get along very well with my fellow fire signs (being an aries myself). We just get each other's mean humour I guess :-) Air signs are compatible with me too, platonically. But I have never been drawn to any air or fire sun signs romantically. Moving on to romantic partners.... 2 ex bfs of mine were scorpios. They even had the same birthday. one lasted for 2 years, the other for 2 months. I probably did it on purpose, lol. Scorpio guys were not the only ones I've been drawn to though.. I was so much infatuated with a pisces and a taurus as well. But there's one aspect that's constant in all of them. Their venuses always made a hard aspect to my uranus. Conjunctions, square, and opposition, with a tight orb as well. I had all that in our synastries. That probably explains why they never lasted or they're just one of those short-term affair while on vacation thing. It's true what they say about venus/uranus contacts, they really are electrifying. I don't think I'm the uranian type even so I don't know why I keep attracting that aspect. I would love to have a more stable type of relationship but the problem is, I can't get interested to someone who doesn't make that aspect in our synastry. It's just one of those must-haves for me. Maybe I get bored easily when my relationship plateaus so I unconsciously look for someone who's really unavailable.

Rachel 2007-12-13T02:43:49Z Alchemy Elixir http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#17e8a39f-5304-4e21-9497-2b8a93f56205 2007-11-27T06:13:38Z 2007-11-27T06:13:38Z

I Have quite a few friends 2-5 years older than me, which in our charts we all generally have (0-3 degree aspects) venus(me) trine Neptune(them), & also Venus(me) oppose Pluto(them). The energy is beautiful yet harrowing, seductive yet monastic, spirtiual yet manipulative. With me poor little venus on the other end, in a group It can be quite hard for an already piscean to handle, Byt the way those about 6-4 years older have Neptune square my Sun also so how confusing. Also within this age group of around 3-4 years older their Neptune is squaring my Asc, very confusing for me. It's funny tho as those I end up getting closer to & trusting more are often in their 40's or older, iv not yet checked such synastry.

Alchemy Elixir 2007-11-27T06:13:38Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#10da9e6b-5364-4ae4-9adc-1c22860c9a95 2007-11-19T19:52:29Z 2007-11-19T19:52:29Z

Oh I just figured out my 12th house connection I think...the cusp is cancer which is ruled by the Moon and my Moon is in Scorpio in the 4th house...a very strong planet for me...so yes...makes sense that 12th house planets would affect me as the ruler is my Moon.

Coors 2007-11-19T19:52:29Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#568c3cfe-3439-494a-a0e7-b0138286b8b6 2007-11-17T21:46:51Z 2007-11-17T21:46:51Z

So maybe we need just enough elements in common to be friends...and where we are deficient becomes a frontier for romantic exploration and completion.

FJ 2007-11-17T21:46:51Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#09c06e3d-056a-40b0-a866-8d35962bdb5b 2007-11-16T18:57:49Z 2007-11-16T18:57:49Z

Kate that is exactly what I was trying to say above!!! Yes old patterns...I think the fact that the people I feel most connected to are also the ones whom I have learned the most from and for my 3 closest friends the composite saturn of our relationship is in my 12th house. But knowing them challenges my old patterns....

Coors 2007-11-16T18:57:49Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#12b11532-46b1-43b2-bbb9-1d5e9d113c12 2007-11-16T17:20:18Z 2007-11-16T17:20:18Z

There is going to be recurirng themes that is the nature of the beast until you grow out of the patterns and discover new ones. Some will remain consistant others will not.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-16T17:20:18Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#81d98960-dfc0-4920-ab6b-15eb3e1ea0c4 2007-11-16T15:43:44Z 2007-11-16T15:43:44Z

>>>>>>>I think i have an urge to uncover and grow on the spirtitual side and although its painful sometimes I feel the most attached to those who challenge my growth and help me with it. Maybe thats why its so focused on the 12th house - ...because thats where I need to sort things out to grow.....it is the house of self undoing..but used correctly the house of spiritual freedom. <<<<<<< That makes a lot of sense! I was also thinking about how H12 planets tend to express themselves on a subconscious or spiritual level (especially subconscious). So I was wondering what a subconscious saturn expression would be like hmmm....

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-16T15:43:44Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#7f9cae61-d30c-46c0-9eca-f7686d3e1862 2007-11-16T15:15:01Z 2007-11-16T15:15:01Z

I think for me I have always been about growth and personal change - maybe its my Scorpio Moon but I like to uncover things and I have an ongoing battle with my own Saturn which sits in the 11 th house in Cancer, Gemini is on the 11th house cusp though and its only like 7 degrees away from the 12th house and I guess I have found that with intercepted signs on the houses sometimes you read the planet on the next house. Although Pluto and jupiter are my dispositers, Saturn is very powerful in my chart I think i have an urge to uncover and grow on the spirtitual side and although its painful sometimes I feel the most attached to those who challenge my growth and help me with it. Maybe thats why its so focused on the 12th house - ...because thats where I need to sort things out to grow.....it is the house of self undoing..but used correctly the house of spiritual freedom. In a Juno thread Sherpa once told me that my Juno in the 8th house in Pisces meant that I was "married" to my own evolutionary growth. Neptune is the natural ruler of the 12th house also ...maybe its a place of importance for me.

Coors 2007-11-16T15:15:01Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#93cf6c48-7faf-45d7-86e5-cf63fb009bec 2007-11-16T06:02:05Z 2007-11-16T06:02:05Z

Was looking at synastry charts some more and I realized that the Cancer planets that people I am or have been attracted to tend to have the planet in question in my 3rd House and most of the ones I am in platonic relationships with tend to have theirs in my 2nd. This isn't ENTIRELY true, but mainly... I have Venus sextiles or Sun sextiles or Moon trines or Jupiter trines with a lot of these planets, too, so I guess it's a big ol' water sign connection. I tend to be attracted, also, to a lot of water/fire combo people.

Rothilda T. 2007-11-16T06:02:05Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#51995dc3-7b61-45c3-9a1a-171e316c988a 2007-11-16T05:36:36Z 2007-11-16T05:36:36Z

OH YEAH I had almost succeeding in blocking this from my memory too... One guy -after we broke up- actually talked about how demons were telling him things but he wouldn't listen to em so we should get back together yeah,,, Right now I guess he got married and it sounds like no more demons talking to him so it feels like it was me or something? And then sometimes I hear things about an important child I am going to have or what some guy thinks of me or warnings to avoid certain people in the middle of prayer... What am I supposed to do with that? I don't know I just hear it out and just...igore it pretty much cuz it is crazy. But what is even crazier is when the people I get involved with say they hear things too or otherwise tell me that they "went crazy for some reason" and they are sorry ?>.< NOoOOOOooOOoOOOOOOOooooo Actually, I am really kinda lonely but... I can't stand this shit I'd rather be alone 4-ev-a than deal with shit like this! Yeah, in fact, it is to the point that when someone shows interest in me I kinda just wanna RUN AWAYYYYY sorry for the rant/emotion overload. I know it isn't good but...the question is...recurring themes.... scary-ass is my recurring theme :) uranus in 6th house scorpio-it fits

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-16T05:36:36Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#18c17e65-ddbb-4efa-8b1f-53fecbc07455 2007-11-16T05:13:58Z 2007-11-16T05:13:58Z

What chart elements are you using to figure out the percentages? You seem to be using the Ascendant and Midheaven, but are you also using the Descendant and Imum Coeli, or Chiron and the true node, or anything like that?

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-16T05:13:58Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#0ca5a273-2fc0-4668-b342-3002a3c80331 2007-11-16T04:41:31Z 2007-11-16T04:41:31Z

That is a crazy saturn-12th house pattern, wow! It really amazes me, actually. Does it reflect anything in your own chart? (I tried to look >.<) Me: I like the discussion about elements. I'm 18%fire, 27%air, 14%earth and 41% water. Pattern: Uranus=sun/moon in 6th house. It seems to dominate everything in my life and romance is no exception! So people with virgo, aquarius, taurus, and scorpio influences -especially people with more than one of these as strong influences. Can't say a lot about patterns for SURE because I don't remember people's birthdays and I only recently got into astrology. But I KNOW of two taureans who I got involved with (one of them might have actually been nothing romantic-but definitely involved in a way I have not allowed myself to get involved before-I still don't know what was going on with his stupid mercury and sun in my 12th opposing uranus ... I am just lost) They both had their suns opposing that uranus=sun/moon which means their suns also were at a very sensitive spot in my chart being a new midpoint for the whole thing -angles, asteroids and all (except mercury and pof). They both had significant stuff in late virgo as I remember -one with a stellium and the other with his moon. Other than that...I know that my first boyfriend who I still talk to all the time is an aquarius. I know that two of the others acted like the classic crazy aquarius and look like the classic aquarius-could be their rising sign because their features were very angular and strong and their mannerisms were quite distinct and zany each in their own way. One of them, at least, was very, very non-emotional(I highly suspect libra and gemini too in this one...this one didn't last at all with all my emotionality). The other one was a bit scorpionic, dark, quiet with a surprisingly strong emotionality underneath and a "tough-guy" exterior. And another that I can remember certainly had a virgo streak in him...probably taurus and scorpio as well. He was sooooo methodical and controlled(also controlling) and sooooooo particular and secretive and possessive. He was very into his things and money. I wish I knew more! But with uranus and the 6th/12th axis appearing to be such major themes, I sometimes wonder if I can ever find something that works long-term. Not just because of the astrology but also because of my own instability, difficulties with trust and the history of scary and unusual occurances in my romantic history. Men seem to go crazy around me. One guy who claims he "just lost it" around me said that the undies I ended up leaving at his place when I ran away for my life still brought that out in him <screams of terror>. Another guy sat their lighting a little campfire of matches on his ARM right before we hit the rocks officially. That first boyfriend is now doing time for getting involved with an under-aged girl. Another one dresses in all black now and "only likes to come out at night" -spent a year or so not working and just hiding alone at his dad's house after we broke up. Another one told me that "he didn't want me to drive to his house because he didn't want me to be able to go home if I wanted to" right before we broke up. Another one couldn't break up with me so he decided to be cruel to me to make me want to break up with him instead. Now he says he can't believe the way he acted back then and is soooo sorry. What do I do to people? Good Lord! Someone help me >.< Uranus, 6th and 12th are rarely mentioned as strong indicators of a successful relationship! I don't know where the pattern comes from or how to break it but mostly I just give up :) UNCLE!!! I have too many other things going for me in life to let myself get concerned about this part of it too much. w/e I don't need it.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-16T04:41:31Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#0e935837-f13c-421f-99ba-0217503adbe7 2007-11-16T04:27:51Z 2007-11-16T04:27:51Z

My family is VERY Cancer-heavy, as are many of my close friends/people I've been romantically interested in. I have many friends with Cancer Suns or Moons, my mom, sister, and one of my step-moms have Cancer Rising, and my sister and my other step-mom have Cancer Moons. I do not have Cancer or the 4th House at all emphasized in my chart, so I find that interesting. I also am very close to three people with Gemini Moons and I have Gemini Rising. Their Moons are actually all very close to my Ascendant - with in a few degrees of it. There are also many repetitions of Pisces Suns, Capricorn Ascendants, and Aries in various places with people I'm close to, but I haven't checked exactly how they aspect anything my chart (though the Pisces and Aries stuff tends to activate my 11th and 12th Houses). I'll have to take a look at this, as I'm sure I could dig up some intriguing connections.

Rothilda T. 2007-11-16T04:27:51Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#3e2b6d9f-6cdc-4122-8dab-f871cc228bae 2007-11-16T01:52:27Z 2007-11-16T01:52:27Z

Very interesting FJ and I think I agree with you. I am overly strong in Water, equal in Earth and Air and then my lowest area is Fire (a 37%, 21%, 21%, 17% split). My good friends tend to all have an Earth/Water mix of some sort. However the people I date usually have a lot more Fire then I do ...that is my deficient element. I used to not date that much and when I did I would start dating people who were already my friends. I knew them already and they were comfortable to me but then I would realize there was no spark between us....although I do tend to de best with a Watery Fire Sign....

Coors 2007-11-16T01:52:27Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#884d6fdf-5347-4742-9ff1-43705c66b045 2007-11-15T23:33:02Z 2007-11-15T23:33:02Z

There needs to be a frontier in all relationships, but different TYPES of relationships create different frontiers...or at least mediums for us to explore certain frontiers through the people we know. As my relationship tendencies become narrowed down as I get older, it seems I tend to have fire/earth lovers and air/water friends. And of course it helps to have a friend in your lover. There needs to be a different kind of give & take in each kind of relationship, and you need to find the right kind. I find that the elements play a HUGE role in relationships, even more than having "ideal" romantic aspects sometimes. My best friend is very deficient in the fire element, and my girlfriend is very deficient in air. I have an abundance of both fire & air, a healthy balance of water and a slight deficiency of earth. She has an over-abundance of earth, while he has a healthy balance of it. He has an over-abundance of water while she has next to none. Because they both have stelliums in oppsotie signs, and he has been my best friend for 20 years, I have a strong feeling that my girlfriend and I could bein for the long-haul together. I always THOUGHT that I needed a sensitive, intuitive WATER-SIGN-LIKE person as a lover...and that this somehow indicates an ability to give romantic love. The truth is, it doesn't. My best friend can "read" me much better than my girlfriend can. There is much more of a frontier in this area between me and her, than between me and him...and that frontier keeps us searching for something in each other...whereas between me and my friend it is "settled" and there is no particular passion to find something in each other...it is already there, calm and relaxed. The real frontier between me an dhim lies in the Fie element, of which HE has almost none.He has almost NO ability to find inspiration. He has Saggittarius Rising, but the way he works with that energy is awkward and pathetic. With a fire Grand Trine between Mars, Jupiter and my Part-of-Fortune, I work with fire energy very well...something which becomes a frontier for uswhen we do things together. He has an over-abundance of earth and water, and my frontier with him is to learn from him how to manage my feelings in a more practical manner (I tend to be a bit volatile and inflammatory!) Games without frontiers are doomed to be short lived.

FJ 2007-11-15T23:33:02Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#54c5ffb1-8134-4c0d-9b59-e843568e8057 2007-11-15T17:56:23Z 2007-11-15T17:56:23Z

I find there is a natural seperation between the type of people we date and the type of people we are friends with.....maybe that's why they can seem so different..to keep the type of relationship different..... Hmmmmm

Coors 2007-11-15T17:56:23Z FJ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#62e9804a-c292-4e27-923f-cd682e367a4e 2007-11-15T00:51:04Z 2007-11-15T00:51:04Z

First two girlfriends plus my own mother had strong Leo/Virgo/Cancer combinations. Then I dated an Aries/Pisces/Taurus combo for a short time. Then I was with a Gemini/Pisces/Cancer combo for 2 years who had Sagg Rising like me Then I dated a Taurus/Pisces/Aries combo. Then I had a Leo/Virgo/Cancer (full circle?!) I am currently with an Aries with Leo Moon, Taurus stellium, Gemini Rising and subtle Piscean/Neptunian overtones. She is the only one to possess a combination of nearly every sign I have encountered closely in past relationships. It seems that the most recurring theme is Leo, followed by Taurus, Aries, Gemini and Pisces respectively. Pisces or Neptune have always been like a thin glaze or embellishment in all my romantic relationships. Interestingly enough , my best friend (male) is almost the exact opposite of my current GF. He's a LIBRA with a SCORPIO stellium and SAGGITARIUS Rising...but he has some Taurus overtones too. My 11th house are ruled by Libra/Scorpio...my 5th by Aries/Taurus. I have Sagg Rising like my best friend, and she Gem Rising...opposite to both of us. In 1997 at the age of 25, I suddenly started to have relationships with Taurus women who had their Suns conjunct my Saturn. I frequently also had Scorpionic male friends, Libras, or Saggitarius...concentrated in that sector of the zodiac. Interesting how my male and female friends turn out to be exactly opposite.

FJ 2007-11-15T00:51:04Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#8a242aa8-d94f-469a-901b-7a2458efa49b 2007-11-14T10:00:34Z 2007-11-14T10:00:34Z

There are Venus conjunctions or oppositions between the charts of me and all my friends, and there's only one without a 7th house connection. Friend #1: moon in my 7th house my venus opposition her saturn, uranus Friend #2: moon and mars in my 7th house her venus conjunct my sun and mercury Friend #3: her venus conjunct my mars my venus opposition her mars Friend #4: sun, mercury in my 7th house venus-venus conjunction Friend #5: my venus in his 7th house my venus conjunct his moon, mercury, jupiter his venus conjunct my sun, mercury In composite charts, there are always at least two oppositions.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-14T10:00:34Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#b4ee5ed3-6949-469d-bf22-f3e5544ee77b 2007-11-11T18:27:13Z 2007-11-11T18:27:13Z

This is interesting. I'd have to re-look at some charts to be more certain. Because I do remember a pattern with the men in my life. As for friends in the past, most were Scorpio.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-11T18:27:13Z kat http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#93f9abcc-5323-4686-8cd2-63403824d0ef 2007-11-11T07:01:45Z 2007-11-11T07:01:45Z

interesting. i will try this when i have a few hours to spare...... ;-)

kat 2007-11-11T07:01:45Z Coors http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/c28332da-f711-49e8-b6a9-1914afb5046b#83eb238b-634d-4ac9-ace8-a51043b8fbd4 2007-11-10T23:34:18Z 2007-11-10T23:34:18Z

The other day I took a look at some of the people in my life...ran composites and the like and found some very interesting things.... 1. For my top 3-4 friends that I feel the closest too and my parents there is always a 12th house connection. For almost every single relationship the composite Saturn sits in my 12th house. Indiivdually we share the following 12th house placements: Best GF - my Sun in her 12th house Best Guy Friend - his Moon and Venus in my 12th house Good GF - her Saturn in my 12th house Good GF - her Venus in my 12th house Good GF - My Neptune and NN in her 12th house and her Vertex in my 12th house My Father and Mother- Pluto in my 12th house 2. Looking at all those friends they don't have planets that are in Hard aspect to my Sun Moon Midpoint....however they all have their Sun/Moon midpoints in only Fire Signs. In fact 2 friends have their S/M midpoint exactly trine mine. Anyone else notice any interesting recurring themes?

Coors 2007-11-10T23:34:18Z