for claudio

Uh, needs time to read, ok. I did not say our telescopes see the real sky, I intimated that man does the best he can, sometimes better notL that is sometimes it is better to do nothing, the Taoist way. By doiing n0thing one in fact does much. I suppose the LORD forbade ALL astrology, I am aware of this. If only would people (too late now since Jan 11th 2005) embrace astronomy, but that would lead them to TRUTH and eventually GOD by bypaths... People are usually not religious since they can not stand responsibility. The devil does not really care. They, the planet I mean, are slaves to them invisible inorganic now how many aeons> To desinslave them and set free by an article is a joyous utopia.

The funny point is being aware of the paradox. Why am I talking to them when there are no astrologers there, perhaos yes Navajo, Hopi, but otherwise none sinnce 1776... with Eris in Pavo.. not even our masonic forefathers knew how to make a horoscope and apparently there was never a telescope at Grenwich, too. Now that we do have NASA we follow the idiots that followed their whims. We also respect them more than the experts who run Hubble etc...

OK I should read the article first, LORD it;s sunny and besides who reads this? This is SIRIVS stuff, not some kind of astrology...

GREETINGS TO THE LORD

Here is an article that I found particularly enlightening in relation to many of the points you have brought up recently:
www.newadvent.org/cathen/05048b.htm

I apologize for not reading all of your long and interesting posts thoroughly until today.
I found some extra time to myself and really dug into some of the issues you are bringing up.

HE SAW THE WHOLE OF THE MOON

I take you especially seriously because I think it is worse than foolish to do something forbidden by The Lord (my opinion).

FEAR OF THE LORD IS WISDOM

I haven't yet decided on what I think you are here to do - whether it is to sell books, to warn us of some dangers you see, or to just join in the general discussion and debate here on astrology.tribe.

SOME ARE BOOKS E-BOOKS, THAT IS LIKE OLD ERIS STUFF 2005 BUT THE NEW STUFF IS MORE LIKE ANIMATED PRESENTATION OF THE ACVADEMIC ZODIAC
YES I AM HERE TO SELL BOIOKS OF COURSE THAT IS MY PURPOSE
I AM A MUSICIAN OTHERWISE AND ASTROLOGY IS BUT ONE OF THE 1008 HOBBIES I HAVE GOT
PRESENTLY WORKING ON THE REFORMATION OF EGYPTIAN ASTRONOMY
NOT DENDERAH BUT 35000 bc ESPECIALY EGYPTIAN SYNASTRY FOR WHICH MODESTLY I AM EXPERT
BEING NOT SO MANY OF THEM WHO CARE FOR EGYPTIAN SYNASTRY, HUH.. OR ARE THERE ANY???

I HAVE NO ONE TO DISCUSS

I DISCUSS WITH PEOPLE WHO WROITE HAMLET MILLS ORION MYSTERY AND WHO DO SELL BOOKS LIKE ME IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THEIR RESEARCH
ORION IS MUCH SPOKEN OFF
PRESENTLY WE DABBLE IN TAURUS ORION DYNAMISM AT THE STARGATE
BUT HER PC CRASHED AND I HAVE TO SEND HER A PROGRAM ALBATROS FOOD

MY ONLY FRIENDS ARE WITHIN THE WALLS OF NASA JPL

AND EVEN THERE ONLY ONE NOW THINKING


But I welcome you as a member and the interesting questions you are bringing up.
Here are some points I came up with just with my light and precursory study today.


THANK YOU

I WILL STOP SHORT, THAT IS I DO NOT INTEND TO STAY
I USE TRIBE AS NOTEPAD SINCE I CAN NEVER FIND MY OWN ARTICLES

IF you KEY IN SOMETHING LIKE

PHOLUS 12TH NESSUS ASBOLUS LILIT VERA CASSINI VARUNA ERIS 313 IN GROUPS.GOOG.E.COM YOU WILL FIND MY ARTICLES THAT ARE THERE SIMPOLY BECAUSE I DO NOT CARRY THAT STUFF WITH ME

THERE ARE NO STARS

OMNIVERSE WILL BE FOLDED UP LIKE A SCROLL
IT WAS ALL A TEMPORARY AFFAIR
BOTH JEWS AND MUSLIMS HAVE THEIS VERY CLEAR AND IS ALSO IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
THE VAULT IS PASSING AWAY AT THE CONSTELLATION OF ERIDANUS
IT IS CALLED THE WMAP COLD SPOT -19 DECLINATION

*We know that the stars themselves are not evil

SOME ARE GOOD YES

*We know that patterns exist in the cycles of heavenly bodies that correspond to cycles in human life. The biggest example I can think of is the moon and the female cycle.

NOT ONLY HUMAN LIFE THOUGH

IN FACT HUMAN LIFE MIGHT BE LESS IMPORTANBT THAN APPARENT
THERE ARE OTHER BEINGS YOU ARE LIABLE TO MEET AND WHO HAVE ALREADY MET YOU
THEY DO NOT PERTAIN TO THIS BUT TO THE PARALLEL DIMENSION AND YET THEY ARE HERE UNDER OUR NOSE HAHAHA

CAPRICORNUS TECHNICALLY MEANT TO OPPOSE CANCER SHARES THE 28

THEREFORE CONFLICT :|:|||

WHERE ||| STANDS FOR SATURN AND :|: FOR MOON

*We use simple cycles of sun and moon to mark time.
*In the bible there were wise men who were not considered evil as far as I understood it and it seems they were astrologers because they were following a star.
*Yet many methods of divination were used that certainly WERE forbidden
*Reading this article, I found that the church has historically forbidden almost any form of divination even forms that make use of the Bible


Here is a list of common objections I found to divination/sorcery/magic etc.
*the use of false gods

*communicating with various spirits
*lying to, fooling, and taking advantage of people using false knowledge
*disregarding the importance of human freewill in attempts to predict the future

THAT IS SERIOSU AND A GOOD INTERPRETATION OF WHAT IS WRITEN IN DARBY BIBLE


Being reminded of this makes me half of a mind to just put astrology away and find some other topic to play with. There are many I could choose from and it might be most wise to just avoid astrology all together if it is so warned against historically by the Church.

TO PUT ASTROLOGY AWAY IS THE BEST CHOICE

BTW I CHING THINKS THAT PUTTING I CHING AWAY IS THE BEST CHOICE

WHAT NEED FOR A RPOP WHEN YOU CAN WALK

ECHOES CAN I?

But it seems that modern technologies including computers, yes, have made the astrological patterns in the sky more accessible to the common person.

TECHNOLOGY IS NOTHING NEW ON THIS OLD PLANET
WE JUST MADE A STEP BACK, THATS ALL

I notice strong patterns that intrigue me but I must admit they might be all in my head? But they are so strong!

TWO WOLVES FIGHT
WINS ONE YOU FEED

I do not believe I am consulting spirits when attending to these patterns - unless my laptop is a spirit? I don't feel that the patterns have power over my free will to choose. I realize the uncertain nature of what I am noticing so I take it worth a grain of salt but maybe that is even dangerous?

SPIRITS INTERPENETRATE OUR EXISTANCE
HOW CAN WE AVOID THEM CREATIONS OF GOD?


Clearly the moon marks cycles in mood corresponding to cycles in hormones.
Why wouldn't other bodies correspond to other cycles - without the need for spirits or occult rites - just the aid of some technologies that allow us to mark these patterns and publish them more thoroughly and in more detail.

DO NOT WORRY AND LET GOD ENGINEER THAT ELECTRON
Just what are you trying to tell us?

I AM TRYING TO SAVE THE PLANET
REDEEM, THAT IS
BUT AS THEY SAY; SAVE YOURSELF FIRST..
THEN EVENTUALLY THE PLANET...

BUT IT IS NOW TOO LATE IT WAS LATE FAR BEFORE 2005 AND IT IS LATE NOW
THIS IS JUST MY OWN OBSERVATION
PERHAPS A BIT INFLUENCED BY ALL THET MAYAN 2011 STUFF.. THOUGH
I MIGHT EVEN BE SUPERSTUITIOUS

*God forbade our commonly practice methods of astrology for some particular reason?

PRECESSION

ASCENDANTS CHANGE

ABRAHAM COULD E.G. HAVE DRACO RISING
I HAVE TO CHECK THIS .. BUT I AM SURE THAT
A PHARAOH COULD HAVE LEPUS RISING

TODAY YOU CAN HAVE ORION RISING ETC
THAT IS ONE REASON TO BANISH CHALDEAN SHIT


(Please explain more. I'd really like to know)
*Our technologies are giving us inaccurate information and are lying to us/ misleading us? Perhaps even intentionally? But you have technologies that are clear of this misdirection?

YES
I SAY LIKE MORPHEUS YES you TOOK THE RED PILL
BUT I CAN GIVE YOU NOTHING BUT NASA WELL PERHAOS A BIT OF ABORIGINAL TRUE SKIES

THERE IS MENTION OF HOLES AND CONSTELATIONS IN THE BIBLE TOO
ON ACCURATE INSPECTION IT IS A VERY SCIENTIFIC BOOK
HARD TO ABSORB BUT
NOT BAD MEDICINE

*We should just read your books instead of asking you here?

BECAUSE TO READ THAT STUFF ONE HAS TO BE VERY THOUGH AND FORGET ABOUT NEWTON KEPLER GREE AND EVEN BABYLONIAN STUFF

*We are committing falsehoods when we pretend to know more than we are able to using western astrological methods and should be more humble and limited in the insights we seek from the patterns we are observing?

THERE ARE NO WESTERN ASTROLOGICAL METHODS
NOSTRADAMUS WAS NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE THE POSITION OF THE SUN OR ASCENDNTA
IN FACT I HAD TO REVISE THE HOROSCOPE FOR HIM
DUE TO JUPITER URANUS BEING RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE ECLIPTIC AND THUS THEORETICALLY APPROACHING SAY 100 DEGREES AND SO-CALLED TRINE HE IS STIL LA TALENT BUT HE HAD OTHER OCCULT INTERESTS AND SURELY HAD TO ACCOUNT TO THE SAME LORD OF HIS FATHERS

YOU KNOW WHICH LORD I AM TALKING OF



I'm not trying to target you or be rude.
I just think it seems like you might have something important to say and I think a lot of us are trying to understand you better.

IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR MIND IS NOT YOUR OWN
THEREFORE THIS MIND WHICH IS ALIEN GARBAGE IS PROGRAMMED TO DO THE WRONG
THINGS

PEOPLE OFTEN DO NOT KNOW WHY DO THEY DO THE WRONG THINGS

I realize that I could have spent more than one day/ a few hours looking up the things you are referring to from various sources and studying your words even more carefully.
But - this is a discussion group after all. Why not look just deeply enough to generate a few questions instead for discussion?

YOU HAVE AN OBSERVATORY NEAR TO HOME
PEOPLE LIVING IN CERTAIN PARTS OF AMERICA AND WORLDWIDE HAVE ACCESS TO
ABORIGINAL WISDOM EVEN SKY MAPS
PERHAPS WE FIND A MEDICINE MAN TO HEAL OUR INFINITE STUPIDITY THAT WILL DESTROY US AS RACE


PARTICULARLUY HAMITIC RACE

This is what I did. I apologize if my questions and small bit of research fail to do justice to what you are trying to say but I am interested to hear what you have to say. I think others are curious too.
posted by:


IN SHORT

THE ZODIAC HAS 22 CONSTELLATIONS, PROVEN
16 ASCENDANTS RISE IN THE EAST BUT ONLY AT THIS EPOCH

IN OTHER EPOCHS THE NUMBER DOUBLES AS FAR AS MY RESEACRH GOES

FURTHERMORE
THE MERIDIAN THAT IS SOUHERN CONSTELLATIONS ARE A COMPLEX THEME THAT
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ASCENDANTS

THEREFORE THERE IS LOT OF WORK TO DO IF ONE DECIDES TO
THUS IT IS BETTER TO KEEP TO THE LORD'S ADVICE ALBEIT HE MIGHT HAVE SENT ME TO STIR THE WATERS THAT IS WORMWOOD JUST A BIT
WHAT WILL BECOME OF MY MISSION WILL BECOIME IN 7 000 YEARS

I DOUBT 700 YEARS IS ENOUGH TO WIPE OFF PERHAPS 5 000 YEARS OF SHEER SUPERSTITION

IN EARNEST

KLAUDIO ZIC

LULU.COM/ASTROLOGY

Hey thanks for both links if a man can serve both. I am incapable to serve and obey myself.
I did not get the dick but they inform me a copious torrent bears my name.
However thanks a lot Charles!

www.youtube.com/watch

Oh that is good ree, very good indeed.

Speaks volumes in one click.

Right!

I am just out of Davy Jones Locker :||||:

3605 1932 WB Davy

Jones is a Wales name? Many astronomers in Snowdonia hahaha... look here...

NAME = JONES;

Matching small-bodies:

Record # Epoch-yr Primary Desig >MATCH NAME<
-------- -------- ------------- -------------------------
3152 1983 LF Jones
3282 1949 DA Spencer Jones
4852 1977 JD Pamjones
5366 1981 EY30 Rhianjones
5861 1982 RW Glynjones
9258 2137 T-2 Johnpauljones
9622 1993 FV26 Terryjones
10828 1993 TE5 Tomjones
11356 1997 YA Chuckjones
12125 1999 RS4 Jamesjones
15128 2000 EG46 Patrickjones
20772 2000 QL182 Brittajones
20814 2000 SW292 Laurajones
21862 1999 TV189 Joshuajones
21913 1999 VK28 Taylorjones
22734 1998 SQ133 Theojones
22855 1999 RG139 Donnajones
126749 2002 DQ1 Johnjones
901126 1946 C/1946 P1 Jones
901202 1967 C/1967 M1 Mitchell-Jones-Gerber
901865 2000 C/2000 W1 Utsunomiya-Jones

Tghe C/ are comets... Now if you have Lauramarx in Scutum, your discretion will be upheaved by an intruding sense of annoying phlegm despite the all prevailing continuity of spasm

Golden words my pal but I am doomed to the Locker. I can not die and fortunately can not die poor.
Ah my friend lucky are those who die as men poor, we on the other side have signed our souls out to eternity
anantadeva sesanaga sankarsana uvaca om santi santi santihi
beggar on the beach of gold

That is interesting, Edward.

I wonder if the characteristics associated originally with aries was somehow a combination of the stars/constellations and the angular relationships in the solar system.

I know that I have never really considered taking those fixed stars into account myself.
I just added them to the pile of undiscovered asteroids and angles that we have not yet learned about (or have forgotten) creating a general fudge-factor.

I see our current division of 12 signs cycled throughout a year coming from the relationship between the cycle of the sun and the cycles of the moon. I had critically wondered about this about a month ago ... why the system we use? Why 12? Why 30 degrees?
That was the reason I thought of - the phases of the cycle of the moon compared with the sun.

So what we have wrong today is the fact that we are not taking into account the constellations correctly then?
But the cycles of the planets compared to each other throughout a year aren't off are they?

So could a person just remove the 12 signs and add the real positions of the various constellations and their meanings instead?
All of a sudden western astrology seems soooo tied into the moon. The 12 divisions in a year, the focus on the nodes of the moon ... interesting.



I might drop astrology all together.
I need to pray about it.
I am especially suspicious of myself about the part where you read more into things than what you could actually know in reality and letting them upset you or confuse you.
I am remembering a Psalm now:
"Oh Lord, my heart is not proud, nor are my eyes haughty; I busy not myself with great things, nor with things too sublime for me. Nay rather I have stilled and quieted my soul like a weaned child. Like a weaned child on its mother's lap. [so is my soul within me.] O Israel, hope in the Lord, both now and forever." - Psalm 131


And ... I have had strange waking dreams about some time in the future when the internet in general started getting used for massive misdirection and population control in some really wicked ways so as to be rendered untouchable by those who wish to be free of its viral and inconspicuous mind control at the will of an evil mastermind that I won't name.
For some reason Claudio's comments are making me remember that stuff a whole lot for lots of reasons.

But what can I say about my imagination sometimes haha!
It's just out there!!!

And anyway, I can find many more reasons than my imagination for spending less time "online" haha.
I don't need it.