I'm the mother of a 4-year-old son born with pluto/moon conjunct in the 12 house. Many interpret this as "The Devouring Mother" aspect, which I don't want to be! He also has Saturn in Cancer in the 7th. It sounds like he has issues with Mama!! Sucks to be the mom looking at this in her child's chart.
It feels like we have some kind of psychic link. He seems familiar to me, like a past life memory or feeling. When he reaches with his arms, I almost feel a dejavu! When he was around 10 months old, I found myself looking at him and asking...who are you...?
Anyone have any insights on the pluto/moon in the 12th combo? Sounds bad, huh? I don't want to mess this up.
It feels like we have some kind of psychic link. He seems familiar to me, like a past life memory or feeling. When he reaches with his arms, I almost feel a dejavu! When he was around 10 months old, I found myself looking at him and asking...who are you...?
Anyone have any insights on the pluto/moon in the 12th combo? Sounds bad, huh? I don't want to mess this up.
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Re: Pluto/moon conjunct in 12th
Sun, April 1, 2007 - 9:34 AMThe 12th house is a very Karmic Ancestors house. Think beyond yourself in this picture and bring onboard alittle more information about your Matriarchal line. The Mother past.
Where did you come from? What are your deeper feelings about the past/women/death and that may help with some stories that are contained in this natal picture. This is also the prenatal house. What experience were you going through during pregnancy. Think wide and deep on this and it will lead you places.... -
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Sun, April 1, 2007 - 10:40 AMThanks for replying. Interesting you bring up "the mother past." He was named after my great grandmother (his great great grandmother) from Ireland on my mother's side. He has her Irish maiden name as his first. He was also due to be born on June 5, the same date of her death --many years before. As far as pregnancy and birth was concerned, yes, it was difficult. There were many issues as well as an emergency c-section. All turned out well. Post-partum depression was a struggle though...
Hoping all of his family aspects turn out for the positive.
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Re: Pluto/moon conjunct in 12th
Tue, April 3, 2007 - 3:50 PMDo you have a Moon/Pluto aspect? He will be a very deep sensitive lad, but that Pluto/Moon conjunction will react in certain ways. You may have to work with him to make sure this emotional self is expressed in concrete ways because it may want to spend alot of time in fantasy and inner imagination. Not a bad thing but keep tabs on how you think this is expressing itself. Traditionally 12th house Moon people are attracted to caring professions.
The feel of that conjunction lends itself well to a birth/emotional reaction. Like an emotional panic. With that type of aspect in the 12th house the more intensely you project onto him the more intensely he will absorb your issues. I would think that would be the major concern. If you have a strong Moon/Pluto theme you will reinforce each others emotional tie and dependency... -
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Tue, April 3, 2007 - 8:41 PManways, whether you want it or not, one way or another your son may perceive you like that (sorry if that sounded kinda harsh)
ive a moon/pluto conjunction too (in scorp, no less), and if i ask mom if she sees herself as overprotective or nosey, im pretty sure shell state she isnt.
its kinda unconscious, after all, to "portray" some kind of image.
just chill out and relax, and try to acknowledge when to LET GO.
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Tue, April 3, 2007 - 8:42 PMAAAND, either way, if you didnt come off as the pluto-moon aspect may suggest, your son would probably go through the experience somewhere else than home, contacts with outer planets (and especially the 12th house) are sort of karmic in some way, you just can avoid them, theyre there to teach us something
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Wed, April 4, 2007 - 4:54 AMI think, even at 4, he would say I"m overprotective and nosey! He is soooo secretive that I find myself asking a blue-million questions just to get a feel of how his teachers are at preschool, how he's getting along with the kids, if there's problems, etc. But I NEED to protect him at this age! What to do if he shuts me out? On the outside influences being a problem, a resounding yes! I feel like he continually gets controlling (somewhat evil) women around him...it seems to reinforce my fears and the need to protect. I sense danger around him and worry ALOT.
Did your mom ask a lot of questions? Are you private and secretive? Do you have a relationship with your mom now? Looking for guidence and the "child's" prespective! Thanks for your input!
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Wed, April 4, 2007 - 4:39 AMI think I *might* have it, and the themes that I've read on this sound like my situation too. I have Pluto 24 degrees in Virgo and Moon 6 degrees of Libra, both in the 5th house. Would this denote a conjunction?
I try to keep any issues of mine to myself, but I'm sure he's perceptive enough to pick up on stuff. It's hard to see this aspect at work right before my eyes... :( -
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Thu, April 5, 2007 - 3:15 PMThis is not a conjunction in a strict sense. It is very wide, but both are in the fifth house so it does create a stronger impact in areas of your life. This is Leo's/Sun house and the house that rules children. You have passions and a creative need to bring this child forth into the world in a creative way. Be patient. He has some deep emotional themes but I also suspect the little guppy could be a very good writer and will impart and attract in an emotional way all kinds of drama that you will also be part of. Keep this a creative journey of uncovering his deeper self as you go along together. I don't think you can help but together create a very emotional connection and strong feelings that are overwhelming in their protectiveness. Keep in mind that this has to include letting him have his freedom and space. If you are projecting overprotection and fears he will certainly follow suit and absorb all this energy. For yourself you should make sure to do the deeper ancestral geneology and get a feel for this child in a way that includes that past and that past Feminine story. He will be somehow connecting to this in his own unconscious way, but ultimately, as he matures into an adult and beyond he will find these stories himself and in someway they will become a cornerstone and useful...
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Re: Pluto/moon conjunct in 12th
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:54 PM"It feels like we have some kind of psychic link. He seems familiar to me, like a past life memory or feeling. "
coooool....i've no way of proving reincarnation. but i feel the past life sometimes too...i guess it's something you have to feel and logic has yet to find a way to explain it(if it's explainable) i have moon and scorpio in 12th house and moon conjunct pluto
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:42 PMWould be nice to know what sign is involved. As well as rising sign, which may be different.
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Thu, May 15, 2008 - 12:16 AMI mean, maybe he'll just see your relationship as emotionally intense in a very loving, 12th house way. that doesn't sound bad. i think the 12th house does a lot for this aspect. and sign of sagittarius will make it lighter also with the jupiter influence, perhaps?
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Thu, May 15, 2008 - 7:10 AMThis needs to be repeated:
"if you didnt come off as the pluto-moon aspect may suggest, your son would probably go through the experience somewhere else than home,"
EXACTLY! Write that out and put it on the fridge.
I have a 12th House Moon, and had a very fine, and supportive mother. Factors outside the home can easily produce 12th House placement effects.
The 12th house is over-demonized. Doom and gloom hand-wringing re; 12th House may be found in the majority of Astrological writing. Just because the 12th is Karmic related doesn't mean Darth Vader is lurking in the corner.
In another Tribe, even after protesting vehemently, and bringing the Thread to a standstill, I got one final post - "I am very pleased to hear people transmuting their issues. It makes my day everyday :-)" In that posters opinion, the issues I said were not there, really were there and had been successfully "transmutted". What a crock.
Take care of your kid, do the best you can.
Advice from my father to a worrysome parent about a playground accident - "Take it easy, you're scaring the boy. If a kid isn't carrying their head in their hands, they'll be OK."
Note - I have a five year old.
