Aspects question

topic posted Wed, July 2, 2008 - 5:58 PM by  James
What do aspects actually mean?

For instance: -

Moon square Jupiter

But of my Jupiter is in Pisces and my Moon is in Cancer, does that mean I have: -

Cancer square Pisces?

OR

Cancer square Sagitarrius? As Jupiter rules Sagitarrius?

OR does it just mean exactly what it says it means?

Moon square Jupiter? But surely the planet in Jupiter must make a difference? You see I am actually the Pisces decan of Cancer so it make sense that my: -

Moon in Cancer trines Jupiter in Pisces for example?



Or for instance: -

Moon square Ascendant

And if my Ascendant is in Scorpio does that mean I have Cancer square Scorpio?
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James
SF Bay Area
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    Wed, July 2, 2008 - 6:25 PM
    James,

    you must be new to astrology huh? These are rather unusual questions. The best way to learn about this aspect would be to google it and read the descriptions. I can't really tell you off the top of my head because I haven't studied this aspect in depth yet. But I can tell you that the Square is conscidered to be a harsh aspect. Meaning that the energies of these two planets do not work well together.

    However, Jupiter is a very "lucky" planet associated with positivitey, so I really don't think that this is a harsh aspect. Generally, I would say that when Jupiter and the moon are involved in any kind of contact with each other (particullarly the conjunction) then the person tends to be very happy and optimistic or extreemly emotional.

    The square of Jupiter and the moon does not mean that the signs Sagittarius and Cancer are squaring eachother. Aspects are determined by the position of planets and their interaction with eachother...

    Trines: The planets are in two different signs of the same element. For example Venus in Pisces and the Moon in scorpio. Both planets are in water signs so they work well with eacthother. (There are four elements Fire, Water, Earth, and Air)

    Square: The planets are in two different signs of the same quality. For example, Venus in Pisces and the Moon in Sagittarius. Both Sag and Pisces are Mutable signs. (there are three qualities Mutable, Fixed, and Cardinal)

    Conjunctions: Both planets are in the same sign and are very close to eacthother. For example Venus conjunct Mars at 06 degrees Cancer.

    Oppositions: Two planets are opposing eachother therefore both in the same quality but not the same element. For example Venus in Pisces opposing Jupiter in Virgo

    Sextile: Both planets are the same "gender". For example, Venus in LIbra sextile Mars in Leo. Both Libra and Leo are masculine signs.

    Then there are a couple minor aspects like inconjunctions but I don't really take those into concideration.
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      Wed, July 2, 2008 - 6:52 PM
      Ahh yeah I see what you mean now?

      But for instance if I had: -

      Moon in Cancer square Ascendant in Scorpio

      Would this apply to me "The Hades Moon: Pluto in Aspect to the Moon": -

      books.google.co.uk/books

      OR

      Would it have to be: -

      Moon square Pluto

      OR

      Would it have to be: -

      Moon square Pluto in Scorpio
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        Wed, July 2, 2008 - 6:59 PM
        This is what I mean do the Aspects connect the two planets together? Like it changes the overall energy of the moon specifically for instance?

        Or are all the planets connected together in some way?
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          Wed, July 2, 2008 - 7:37 PM
          I think what you may be trying to intuitively understand is essential dignity of planets. It's how they look at each other by their signs. This is important in looking at aspects b/c if two planets are in a hard aspect (square, opposition) and they also have mutually bad reception between each other (fall, detriment), or by house placement (in a house that is uncomfortable for a planet or are invading another planet's house), these two planets are really badly weakened. In contrast, good essential dignity and house placement can help hard aspects, and will really strengthen soft aspects.
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            Wed, July 2, 2008 - 7:44 PM
            An example would be some transits right now...

            There is an opposition to Venus right now from Jupiter. Jupiter is retrograde and in fall in Capricorn. Jupiter is about expansion, while Capricorn is control and repression (at odds). Jupiter's energies are weakend. Venus is in Cancer nd has no dignity (it is not in dignity, exaltation, fall or detriment), so it's a bit indifferent in energies. But Capricorn is the fall of Venus, so Jupiter weakens Venus. So there is a bad reception to Venus by Jupiter. Not only are they in opposition, but they have bad reception... so this sort of aspect would have some negative influences in the houses they are in.
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              Wed, July 2, 2008 - 7:48 PM
              Say Jupiter in Capricorn was in the 7th house (Venus' house, naturally ruled by Libra), though... then it might be lessened b/c it helps in bringing common energies between the two planets rather than opposing energies.
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                Wed, July 2, 2008 - 7:57 PM
                i must say descriptions, interpretations, and keywords for capricorn just keep getting worse and worse... now it is repression?.. oh my...lol... poor capricorn me
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                  Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:00 PM
                  In this case it might be because the planet is in fall and very uncomfortable... it cannot express it's proper energies b/c it is in Capricorn, so it is being repressed.

                  That's a very simplified description.
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                    Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:07 PM
                    And I never said someone w/ Capricorn Sun was repressed in and of itself. So don't misinterpret me. I would never make those generalizations about someone.
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                    Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:11 PM
                    its all good, every one is entitled to their opinion.... libra ascendant :-) its just every time i read about capricorn it just gets funnier in away.

                    my opinion is based on the fact that i have in my western natal chart jupiter in capricorn & actually a stellium in this sign... and i have never really correlated this sign with the word repression. repression to me would be some major aspect pattern thingie going on... not an aspect between 2 benefics like jupiter and venus...


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                      Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:13 PM
                      teresa,

                      you are not offending me at all. i just got to stick up for capricorn :-) ... someone gots to doo it.
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                        Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:16 PM
                        Hey, I like Capricorn. I have nothing in Capricorn, but I respect the energies of that sign - hard work, ambition, loyalty, etc. It just doesn't mesh w/ Jupiter. Your stellium is probably helping w/ the tension.
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                          Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:31 PM
                          capricorn is about responsibility in the material/physical world. people are always confused about capricorn, but think they know everything about cancer. signs come in the form of an axis, if you truely want to understand them. so if you are not sure about a sign you have to look at its opposing sign. the capricorn/cancer axis is the "axis of responsibility." every sign and its opposite have a common theme, but just go about it in a different way... because opposites are just not opposite, but have the potential to be complimentary. cancer is about responsibility on the emotional plane. that is why cancer is the natural ruler of the 4th house, the foundation... cause if you are emotionally not nurtured and all screwy everything else falls a part.

                          so with that being said jupiter may not expand at a fast rate in capricorn, but it does expand at its own cautious pace. repression there is no expansion, its like negative expansion.... its not holding one back its pushing things inward... or something like that..
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                            Thu, July 3, 2008 - 1:03 AM
                            I don't understand what all the hubbub is about my sentence on Capricorn. I know all of the blurbs about it. It was one interp. and by no means an end-all, be all meaning. I actually put little thought into that paragraph and just threw it out there to talk about reception.
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                      Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:19 PM
                      If Jupiter is retrograde and in fall, it tends to outweigh it's more benefic influences also. In horary Jupiter can be a significator planet for bad illnesses when it is in such a spot. Things like hemorraghes can result.
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            Wed, July 2, 2008 - 9:17 PM
            Oh, and when a planet has no dignity, it is known as peregrine. They are wandering planets. If you look at Lilly's Point System for Dignity & Debility, you might understand more of what I'm talking about.
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        Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:40 PM
        Well your absolutley on the right track when you say that one planets energy can effect anothers energy when they are in aspect. For example, most conjunctions are concidered to be positive aspects but lets say that we had Pluto conjunct the moon. The moon is in its fall in scorpio and Pluto rules Scorpio so a person with this aspect (even if it were in a positive sign like Libra) will take on Scorpio moon characteristics.

        You said you have your Cancer moon square Pluto? This is much the same, you will probably take on Scorpio characteristics. I, for instance, have a trine between my moon and Venus. Though my moon is in Scorpio I take on traditionally Venusian characteristics.

        When talking about aspects it is important to consider the element or qualities the planets are in (though this maybe less important than the aspect it self). For example, lets concider the planets Venus and Mars in aspect.

        Venus trine Mars in a water signs will act much differently than Venus trine Mars in Fire signs. A friend of mine has a tight conjunction from Venus and Mars which is supposed to make her very sexual but the conjunction occurs in the cold sign of Aquarius so instead of being fully passionate she is more of a flirt.

        Lets say that Venus squares mars in Cardinal signs (Cancer and Libra we'll say). A person with this aspect may be more forward with their approach to love than someone with a square in fixed signs (Scorpio and Leo maybe).

        There is alot to take into concideration when reading a chart. It is best to take this information in piece by piece starting with what's the most interesting to you.
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          Thu, July 3, 2008 - 7:11 AM
          I see now.

          But what if it is say Conjunction Ascendant? And my Ascendant is in Scorpio? Would that give me Scorpio Characteristics?

          Thus essceitally converting it to Moon Conjuction Pluto?

          Or for instance Conjuction MidHeaven? If my Midheaven is in Leo? Would that give my moon Leo characteristics?

          Thus essceitally converting it to Moon Conjuction Sun?

          Is it different for Ascendant and Midheaven?
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            Thu, July 3, 2008 - 7:57 AM
            Um, I'm really not sure what you mean. If you had the moon conjunct your ascendant in scorpio then clearly the moon would be in scorpio as well. If you have it conjunct your midheaven in Leo then the moon would be in leo.

            I would just consider the actual aspects to your moon. You said you have the moon square pluto?
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              Thu, July 3, 2008 - 9:16 AM
              teresa,

              no hubbub... just pointing out something that i thought was incorrect. afterall how are we to learn if we dont discuss things, challenge our ideas and perspectives. plus i sent you a PM saying that i was not attacking you, just discussing something... maybe you didnt get it with tribe going down all the time :-)

              peace,
              serafina
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                Fri, July 4, 2008 - 12:05 AM
                Moon square Jupiter is Cinderella and the Golden Pumpkin :|:||:
                It is also cancer and Copyright breach, problems with lawyers.
                You can stage the Cinderella story especially from Shaughnessy and Legge
                See also I Ching aspectarian, very popular in Calif
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              Fri, July 4, 2008 - 3:04 AM
              No sorry,

              I have Moon square Ascendant.

              My Ascendant is Scorpio.

              So .....

              Cancer Moon square Ascendant in Scorpio

              So does that mean my Moon has Scorpio Characteristics, thus essecially making it .....

              Moon square Pluto
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                Fri, July 4, 2008 - 3:37 AM
                You’re moon should be trine ascendant not square. Cancer and Scorpio are trine. Just post the chart james..
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                  Fri, July 4, 2008 - 3:51 AM
                  Not necessarily. Aspect patterns are independent of element affinity. If his moon is at the end of Cancer and his Asc at the beginning of Scorpio?
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                    Fri, July 4, 2008 - 3:55 AM
                    We don't even know if his moon is trine or square anything without his chart..
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                Fri, July 4, 2008 - 7:37 AM
                Their right. Your moon should be trine your ascendant but we need you to post your chart in order for us to determine. But to answer your question, no. Your moon trine/square your ascendant would not give you Scorpio moon characteristics. You have a scorpio rising, but a Cancer moon.

                However, the aspects directly to your moon can alter its energy.
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            Sun, July 6, 2008 - 9:16 AM
            Ok so the Ascendant is a part of you personailyt anyway!
            If you're a scorpio rising you already have scorpio characteristics.

            You're obviously new to astrology so imagine that the Sun sign is where you're heading. What you feel compelled to learn more about.
            Your moon is your inner emotions or your 'habits' and your comforts and inner nature.
            Your Rising/Ascendant is your 'outlook' on life. How you interact with the world and how you perceive the world to interact with you.

            Ok so you're a scorpio Rising meaning that Scorpio 'tints' your outlook onlife.
            This means that Pluto (the ruler of scorpio) is the ruler of your chart.

            Find out where pluto is (especially the house) and look at any major aspects which it makes.
            Major aspects being the Opposition, Conjunction, Square and Trine , try not to use more than 8 degrees orb.

            Essentially here is what the aspects (which are read between planets and the four angles - Asc., MC, IC, Dec)

            Conjunction:
            The energy of the two planets is blended together into one energy. The two act together. So Mercury conjunct Mars might be someone who speaks forcefully/passionately. They might speak louder than they realise etc their mind is restless and curious.

            Trine:
            An easy blending of the two energies. The energies are in an easy aspect here. Going back to Mercury and Mars, this is a good place for a lawyer or a debating person.

            Conjunction and Trine are both easy in the sense that the two are acting well together.

            Opposition:
            This is more stressful as the two are like opposing magnets that we need to try and balance and incorporate. We may project one of the planets at any one time. with mars mercury again we may think that other ppl are being very violent or are we may be angry at people being too much talk too little action. We project it onto other ppl quite often.

            Square:
            The energy is hitting one another in a stressful aspect. This leads to a poor blending of energy sometimes very over excited sometims short circuited. We're often more compelled to do the thing the aspect signifies. We may have great pressure with this aspect. We may be strongly compelled (in our example) to speaking out against violence etc.


            I know these examples are really quick and not thought out much but you get the idea. The houses that the planets are in are very key as well.

            In my ecperience the most important (loosely depending on the chart) are the aspects made by the ruling planet (the planet which rules the sign on the ascendant). Also any aspects made to the sun/moon and any aspects made to the four angles partifcularly the ascendant and the mc.




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              Sun, July 6, 2008 - 9:38 AM
              Scorpio (like Aquarius and Pisces) has two rulers: Pluto and Mars. Mars is more personality-centered, whereas Pluto is too much for most humans to consciously handle, even for Scorpios...I guess that is why they call those gone through Pluto's crucible completely -Eagles.
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    Fri, July 4, 2008 - 3:50 AM
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      Sun, July 6, 2008 - 2:58 AM
      Wou, James ,did you recognize youre self in scorpio moon charasteristics and are affraid of it ,
      or do you just wana be scorpio moon
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        Sun, July 6, 2008 - 3:24 AM
        Haha, James has a Scorpio Ascendant, that's why he's worst us Scorpio Moons! Well on the surface anyway.
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          Sun, July 6, 2008 - 3:33 AM
          yeah thats whay he´s convinced he can like "read us",
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            Sun, July 6, 2008 - 7:54 AM
            Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
            Sun Gemini 19.28 Ascendant Libra 28.26
            Moon Cancer 23.07 II Scorpio 25.34
            Mercury Cancer 9.04 III Sagittarius 29.45
            Venus Cancer 23.57 IV Aquarius 8.47
            Mars Capricorn 23.05 R V Pisces 12.50
            Jupiter Pisces 21.15 VI Aries 8.52
            Saturn Sagittarius 5.25 R VII Aries 28.26
            Uranus Sagittarius 20.25 R VIII Taurus 25.34
            Neptune Capricorn 4.51 R IX Gemini 29.45
            Pluto Scorpio 4.51 R Midheaven Leo 8.47
            Lilith Gemini 11.35 XI Virgo 12.50
            Asc node Aries 28.48 XII Libra 8.52



            Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
            Sun Square Jupiter 1.47 -158
            Sun Opposition Uranus 0.57 -233
            Moon Conjunction Venus 0.50 881
            Moon Opposition Mars 0.03 -582
            Moon Trine Jupiter 1.52 241
            Moon Square Ascendant 5.19 -15
            Mercury Opposition Neptune 4.13 -106
            Mercury Trine Pluto 4.13 64
            Venus Opposition Mars 0.53 -305
            Venus Trine Jupiter 2.42 119
            Venus Square Ascendant 4.29 -18
            Mars Sextile Jupiter 1.49 234
            Mars Square Ascendant 5.22 -8
            Jupiter Square Uranus 0.50 -103
            Saturn Trine Midheaven 3.22 23
            Neptune Sextile Pluto 0.00 90
            Pluto Conjunction Ascendant 6.25 21
            Pluto Square Midheaven 3.56 -5
            1673 -1533 140
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              Sun, July 6, 2008 - 8:32 AM
              Ooo you poor thing,you´re all cancer
              So you´re not scorpio rising you´re libra rising ,but you have pluto conjunct ascedant
              cool
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                Mon, July 7, 2008 - 4:43 PM
                Yeah but isnt it the Libra / Scorpio Cusp for the rising sign?
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                  Tue, July 8, 2008 - 7:47 AM
                  James,

                  why do you want to be a scorpio anyways? I mean, I think your lucky to have all that air in your chart. Scorpio's tend to get angry, sad, depressed, and paranoid over the smallest things (trust me I know I am a scorpio moon).
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                    Tue, July 8, 2008 - 9:24 AM
                    "angry, sad, depressed, and paranoid over the smallest things "
                    i second that sister Simone
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                      Tue, July 8, 2008 - 11:41 AM
                      thank you Ana.
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                        Tue, July 8, 2008 - 4:43 PM
                        I believe he wants to be a scorpio moon because of the whole thing with his ex.

                        He wants to feel some kinda bond of closeness.
                        Ya know when u sometimes when your going out with someone and u find out they Really like something u really like?
                        And now u want that thing even more.

                        Well he really liked his ex who has a scorpio moon, and wants to be like it.... i suppose.

                        Thats what I'm picking up from this or something along those lines.
                        Sorry if this is not at all the case and sorry if it comes off as negative james.
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                          Tue, July 8, 2008 - 4:48 PM
                          Or how about when u have a very special moment with something that the person your going out with likes alot.
                          And now that thing even though u never cared for is special to u, because your partner has such great value in it and now u just had just a special moment(s) with it.

                          So its now meaningful and special to u.

                          I think thats whats going on here.
                          His ex was special to him who is a scoprio moon and now he wnats to be like it.

                          and Ya i also agree with ana and simone
                          ""angry, sad, depressed, and paranoid over the smallest things "
                          i second that sister Simone "

                          Scorpio moon is not always fun.
                          Especially when you go through a low period.