Pluto and Mars

topic posted Sat, April 15, 2006 - 9:00 PM by  W
I meant to ask a similar question, and DragonWire's post on 'Pluto Chart Ruler..' --- --- reminded me about it.

About Scorpio, I was wondering which planet should be weighted more when considering the chart ruler?

I've got Scorpio Pluto in 12th House and Capricorn Mars in 2nd House.
I would think, personally, the Scorpio Pluto would bear more significance since it is in the sign it rules?
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offline W
  • Re: Pluto and Mars

    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 9:09 PM
    The chart ruler is the ruling planet of he rising sign. If you have scorpio rising, there's no question in my mind that pluto is the ruler, and coincidentally, pluto is in scorpio in your chart. If you have Sag rising, then Jupiter is your chart ruler. Mars in Cap in the 2nd is Mars in Cap in the 2nd.
    • W
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      Re: Pluto and Mars

      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 9:11 PM
      I was about to post something I found.
      Mars is exalted in Capricorn, which I believe makes it quite significant too, if it was to be considered as a ruling planet (traditionally).

      Thanks for clearing it up, steve!
      • Re: Pluto and Mars

        Sat, April 15, 2006 - 11:26 PM
        yes, i would say that would make for a very powerful ascendent, with both rulers of scorpio comfortable - one in its own sign and one in exaltation. i would imagine that you are very strong willed, amongst other things....
        • W
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          Re: Pluto and Mars

          Sun, April 16, 2006 - 6:22 AM
          LOL! I don't think I am THAT strong-willed. ;)
          However, my family might tend to disagree. They say I am quiet/moody and broody when there's something I do not like. But then again, I am quiet/moody when I'm sad, when I'm thinking, and last but not least, simply when I don't want to talk. Also, they point out I don't like it when somebody says something about me I don't *think* I am or is true. (Don't worry. I'm cool with you still! :P)

          My mother tells me I've got a "hard heart", not that I don't feel emotions and passion, or that I'm cold-hearted, but rather, that I don't show or reveal it too much. It is certainly difficult for me to cry over something upsetting; it is easier if it's because I'm touched. When I do cry, it is more like weeping.

          Et cetera.

          P/S. The weeping willow is one of my most favourite trees! XD
          • Re: Pluto and Mars

            Sun, April 16, 2006 - 1:06 PM
            Wow... By the definition that the planet of the AC is the ruling planet... I'm not ruled by Pluto... But from what you just described I'm *quite* similar to you, W. Although I suspect not quite so pronounced or consistent as other heavy Plutonians. I do have Pluto in Scorpio, conjuncting Venus. And Mars in the 8th house...From what I've read Virgos and Scorpios tend to have quite a few similarities as well, though influenced by different things and expressed somewhat differently.
            • Unsu...

              multiple or co-rulership

              Sun, April 16, 2006 - 1:34 PM
              Part of what Steve writes about, regarding the sign/planet of the ASC associated with the chart's "ruler", rings true to me. However, the term "ruler' can also be easily exaggerated to make it appear as if that planet alone "governs" us. This may seem more the case when natal Pluto is strongly and widely aspected (connected up with many other planets) an/or stridently placed on the ASC, MC, DESC, or IC.

              I suggest that we also look to whatever planet is closest to the zenith, or MC, to add more deserved complexity and variety to this notion of rulership. I think it's more honest to assume that our lives are governed by a confluence of forces, rather than by one tyrannical ruler.
              • Re: multiple or co-rulership

                Sun, April 16, 2006 - 2:19 PM
                I like this theory, Sherpa.

                When I first started learning about chart rulers... I found Mercury because of my Virgo Sun and Gemini AC. Then I found Pluto in Scorpio. Then Sun in the 5th house. Then Mars in Capricorn. Then my Moon Oriental. And I wondered, ok I've got all these prominent pieces, but who REALLY rules me? After awhile, I gave up the notion of finding one singularly prominent piece. Because I can see how each piece represents a prominence within my personality and life.... and magically somehow they all seem to co-exist.
              • W
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                Re: multiple or co-rulership

                Sun, April 16, 2006 - 6:11 PM
                I agree too. I was asking because coming across an article discussing chart rulers being the ruling planet(s) of your Ascendant sign made me think about which ones would be considered for Scorpio Ascendant. I do believe humans are much to complex to be dictated solely on a "tyrannical ruler" as you put it.

                Thanks, sherpa!
                • Re: multiple or co-rulership

                  Sun, April 16, 2006 - 9:28 PM
                  i don't want to give it all to one planet, however, with scorpio rising, maars on the asc, and pluto within a degree od my MC, I can't give more to any planet other than pluto.
          • Re: Pluto and Mars

            Sun, April 16, 2006 - 9:43 PM
            "Also, they point out I don't like it when somebody says something about me I don't *think* I am or is true. (Don't worry. I'm cool with you still! :P) "

            whew - thats a relief ~~
            i wouldn't want to cross a hard-hearted pluto in scorpio kind of guy like you!!
            • W
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              Re: Pluto and Mars

              Mon, April 17, 2006 - 3:15 PM
              Alas! Hard-hearted does NOT equal cold-hearted.
              (Besides, Pluto in Scorpio is shared by many.)

              It would most likely work out with me not being able to express how upset I am, and you'll find me sulking and silent. Unless, of course, my (in)famous 'scorpion sting' decides to come out and play ... until the magnanimity of Leo saves the day! =P

              One more Scorpio thing about me is my sense of humour, which I would describe as sarcastic. Otherwise, I am careful with it. I never use sarcasm in a tense/heated exchange because I feel it adds severity to an already dire scenario, and make things even uglier. I hate it when things are not looking pretty at all; (Venus in Libra?
              It doesn't mean that I don't make exceptions when a person tries to use sarcasm on me. This is when I shoot the person down with my words before they can even continue.

              I've got a lil' sass left in me. ;)

              Disclaimer: I'm not as scary as I sound above. No, seriously.

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