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Hi, I was wondering if anyone has ever been able to overcome some of the hard aspects in their chart? I have many difficult aspects--squares, oppositions, what not.. & am trying to work on eliminating them.. I kind of feel like these hard aspects are like an addiction.. I may succeed for awhile but no matter how hard I try I might "accidentally" fall back into them.
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Re: Hard Aspects
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 11:56 AMI haven't used my chart to overcome obstacles of my personality or psyche, only because I am new to Astrology. So the answer I will share is more based in your own head than on any piece of paper or cosmic placement.
The first part of me being closer to me was being honest and that was huge. I had to learn to accept parts of me that were unsavory instead of beating myself up over them. . which was too easy for me to do. I would get myself in such a rut over an aspect of me that I didn't like that I'd end up deeper in the rabbit whole. My initial way of trying to "fight back" was to end up "digging deeper" because I wasn't very nice to me. So the first part was acceptance, for me.
The second, was to begin remembering who I wanted to be, with my friends, with myself, in my job, with my family, with my children. In every situation in my world, what kind of person do I want to be? When I remember that bit, I behave accordingly. It's the remembering bit that's not so easy.
And that's pretty much it : ) Sounds easy enough. But acceptance and remembering can be two huge obstacles in and of themselves. Master those and I believe that your whole chart could be one giant square... but you're aware and awareness breeds greatness : ) IMO
Katrina
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Re: Hard Aspects
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 1:06 PMYou don't exactly elimate the aspects but rather learn to use them productively .
There is no falling back really either because sometimes life is easier than other times -
Some things we have no control over while other things we do.
Death and taxes happens and the rest is a balancing act of being -doing and acting upon the situation at hand in a way which will better yourself and not harm anyone else in the process.
kate
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Re: Hard Aspects
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 4:37 PMI have a grand cross and some other annoying aspects, but after getting a reading done it seems most of the negativity has already been dealt with in my life in my earlier years. I've overcome obstacles and readjusted my way of thinking accordingly.
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Re: Hard Aspects
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 10:00 PMI would say yes and no
Yes I have found solutions....but no it doesn't stop me from falling into old habits at times.
I like your description of it like an "addiction"...interesting.
But with hard aspects it seems like it requires a rather continual awareness and effort to keep in balance/ express the energy productively. When one finds that focus, it unleashes tremendous positive energy....but until it learns the path of positive expression that energy seems to get twisted up in all the wrong ways (or if you lapse in your focus momentarily)
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Re: Hard Aspects
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 10:24 PMHi, thanks for the feedback.. I guess I will have to focus on ways of how to turn to the negative into a postive.... somehow... =) but it's good to know that these hard aspects can be changed with self-awareness and willingness to change. -
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Re: Hard Aspects
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 6:36 AMhard aspects bring challenge and purpose to life. a chart without hard aspects suggests complacency. -
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:35 AMI agree. Hard aspects are action aspects. In order to resolve them, it makes you go out and do something. I have a friend who has most "easy" aspects and while some parts of his life people maybe envious of, its really not terribly active.
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Re: Hard Aspects
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 6:27 PMIt is possible to fall into the kinda simplistic thinking that the hard aspects are all "Difficult" the softer ones are easy. That is often not the case. Hard aspects such as squares should be viewed as challenges. The challenge being to use them as tools to evolve and grow. Turns out that many of the worlds greatest leaders have many hard aspects. On the other hand so called "soft" aspecsts such as trines or sextiles can be extremely difficult as folks with a large number of those often end up with an easy life and do not have to struggle as much as others. My advise is to identify your "hard" aspects and use them to accomplish something great! -
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Re: Hard Aspects
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 6:38 PMTriangulations and easy aspect can make one too lazy They make you flow too easily.
Is a conjunction an easy aspectation?
I love all my squares they give me energy. Hate my oppositions, but they make me tolerant of myself,
Fortunately for me other people charts can add lots of joy and value to my life.
I defeat my bad aspects w/other peoples aspects. Really I hate my oppositions. It in there somewhere.
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Re: Hard Aspects
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 5:12 AMYou see that one I do not understand too well Phil... I got 9 sextiles, 7 Trines... And I have WORKED... for what I GOT... If I was was to express my easyness... It would sound like I went through hell, but I refuse to play a role of a victim because I would rather be a vitctor.
Look at famous people with harsh charts.....An actor plays a dangious role in all his movies.... Has Mars Squared Pluto natally....
Hard aspects.... paint them on the walls.... Start doing activites or causes that supports the development of the square to its potential. Square signs have alot in common.... I tend to notice I am more attracted to squary opposition kind of energy.... Like Aries and Capricorn for instance... Yes they are squared, but both of them are cardinal signs... They love to start things, initiate change, and whether they finish them or not, there's always a lot going on.
I guess my focus has turned from modes opposed to elements more-so.
www.janspiller.com/101_modes.php -
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Re: Hard Aspects
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 5:23 AMA-Wall
You know a little about midpoints - perhaps your trined and sextiled planets are making midpoint patterns not immediately obvious in your chart without the help of a dial or PC? Remember - midpoints make use of hard aspects only, which BTW is another part of what hard apsects are all about - they are to do with what is most manifest or tangible, which also goes along with the cardinal thing you mentioned.
Very close grand trines certainly make midpoints to each other.
But then again, maybe there is something about trines that is simply compulsive, whioch may or may not be the same thing as the subjective expereince of encountering friction or conflicts both within and without.
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Re: Hard Aspects
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 8:36 AMI think I see modes as the "how"
and elements as the "what" or the "medium" that action is taken through in its respective mode.
They both seem important in my opinion.
But we all put our focus in different places for our own reasons.
Some people might approach to the world in terms of modes and be less interested in just what action is taken and more interested in how it is taken.
Others may see the mode of action taken as secondary to the nature of what the action itself is.
The modes or "how an action is taken"
Adapting
Starting
and Standing firm
in my opinion can each apply to the elements or "mediums through which that action is taken - what is actually done as opposed to how it is done"
emotional
mental
physical
life/spiritual/energy (fire is a bit unclear in its nature to me still...I am working on refining it)
Some would say "trying to over-analyze just what is being done is too deep and confusing...I can nore easily see how it is being done and that is what matters to me in how I choose to respond". The modes can tell you a lot about how a person behaves and "makes their moves" and gives good info on how to counter them or cooperate with them without muddying the situation up with nauseating details about just what they are doing when that is really just up to them and not too much your concern anyway.
Others would say "how you do it is immaterial....just what exactly are you trying to do?" This would be more a stance of understanding the make-up and nature of others (including and beyond the nature of how they take action) I think than one of learning how to "make moves" against/with them. That understanding will later guide action, but at first it is kind of esoteric and not readily or obviously applicable and inessential to anyone except their personal selves. It seems that trying to discern the elements and things is pretty involved, too and it is easy to get some little part of it wrong with all the possibilities represented.
This is my view on modes vs. elements. I find modes readily interpretable but not as interesting since my mutable self intends to work around everyone anyway all the time no matter what. I find elements more complex but more fascinating in that they offer so much insight into the nature of things. I feel that if I have a clearer understanding of the nature of things I will find it easier to discover the right "work-around" quickly enough in the spur of the moment based on that understanding.
I plan to attempt to move way way faster than anyone else anyway no matter what so the way they move is just not that important to me. :P
I haven't really met anyone else yet as mutable as myself.
I just need to have clear understanding of what is readily available for me to make those sudden moves o.0 and adaptations in the moment.
I think I really like studying aspects for this reason, too. An aspect shows energy that could be used in more than one way depending on the situation. So my mutable nature gravitates towards mastering that source of change and using it to adapt to situations as they arise based on my understanding of the options that aspect gives me.
Others with less of an adaptation-focus may look at aspects in the sense of ... they are confusing-they can change...just tell me what the planet in this and that sign and house means and I'll stick with that and probably won't make any mistakes or have to change my view on things too much.
In general, I don't think that either modes or elements (or placements or aspects for that matter) are any more or less true or important. I just focus on what I can use and what looks "interesting". I am sure others do the same in their own way. -
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Re: Hard Aspects
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 3:42 PMWell just think.... Your good at adapting! I got a couple friends who got about 7 planets mutable.... One is a bread winner... The other is a... intresting fellow...
Im the opposite way.... 4 Cardinal, 4 Fixed, 3 Mutable
I think that people can grow through restrictions, and conflict... if the rooted desire is aimed in the same direction....
I have always thought of the signs like a fomula between the two.... Like what makes Pisces? Mutable + Water = Pisces... no other sign shares the same blend of the two.
Fire to me is action without thought... to do. to be.
Off to work!
Later
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Thu, September 13, 2007 - 12:00 AMThink of squares like Saturn in nature - they are 'blocks' but as you work to overcome them, they become your 'building blocks' , a strong foundation. There are many successful people with squares, grand crosses. Pavarotti had a grand cross. On the other hand Kurt Cobain had a grand water trine - he had wonderful emotional/artistic flow but lacked the backbone to stand up with.
An opposition can seem like a see-saw or two forces working against each other until you learn to balance/unite the two sides . Then you get a well-rounded personality. For example Saturn opposite Uranus as a teenager will rebel against any rules and not want to be taught anything, but later can develop good inner authority and be a good teacher.
Aspects are not something you can 'eliminate'. You have to work with them. Any part of your chart/self you try to repress will come back up as shadow/destructive. Honor all parts of yourself ! -
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Re: Hard Aspects
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 2:31 AMActually, I am not convinced that trines are as 'easy' as they are cracked up to be, anyway. The triens I have in my my chart seem to behave quite compulsively - these are close trines, though not in any kind of grand trine. Squares can indicate blockages, but sometimes they do mellow. Sometimes, where there is a synastry, a sextiling planet to the partner's chart where one of these planets is involved in a square can be very therapeutic, in showing the square person that things may not be as extreme a conflict as they seem.
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Re: Hard Aspects
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 10:12 AMI agree with a lot of the statements above. Squares are building blocks. Yeah, they're difficult to work with, but once you master some control over them, they give you an extra push in life to accomplish something great. If one's chart is filled with only positive aspects, then they really don't know much about hard work, do they? Life is easy for them, and then you have to ask...well, what is the purpose to life, then?
As for the difficult aspects, I can understand how they can be difficult to deal with. I have a lot involving personal planets. For example: Venus square Mars, Mars square Mercury, Moon square Mercury, Venus square Moon. Others are less evident like, Venus square MC, and Pluto square ascendant. They're all difficult to work with, and they do cause a lot of internal tension and turmoil, and just general problems with relations.
My advice is to sit down and just take a few deep breaths and ask yourself what you really want out of the situation you're having problems with. Clear your head. For me, it's kind of difficult - just to use Venus square Moon as an example - I want emotional attachment, but the whole concept is still very foreign and scary (I fear limits and restrictions on my identity as a woman), and therefore (out of bad habit) I reject it when I need it most (usually when I fear someone is too close). The constructive way to work this out is to just project a lot of independence into a relationship - a lot of trust, so that there's space between me and them, and freedom to continue learning about myself and them. That way, there's not a smothering atmosphere that will force me away. Almost a brother/sister, best-friend kind of deal. Sounds kind of creepy, but I have faith that such an arrangement would work.
So hopefully that helps a bit...I too agree that they are bad habits, but like all bad habits, it can be turned into something constructive, unique, and beautiful. It just takes time and a lot of energy focused on yourself to determine what you really want out of life. Once that's accomplished, moving out of these habits aren't so bad, because you have a meaning or "purpose" to work towards. From there, they're just building blocks. Only those that have overcome a lot will know the true value of success. -
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Thu, September 13, 2007 - 4:41 PMI think it's also important to look at "What" bodies are aspected, how, and were.
For instance
Aqu. Saturn 4th square, Scorpio Nept 12th.
This not only hard to interp, for me at least It's hard to live w/. when I can interp it. But what it causes in the end, is a great thing. When it's working right.
I actually like my aries Jupiter (in the suns house) 5th.
Square cancer Sun (in Jupiter’s house) 9th..
I don't see this as hard, but more exciting, A healthy fiery competition.
And were is this aspect helped by another aspects?
I Have Cancer Sun conj Mercury Sextile Gemini Moon.
And Sun sext. Mars. And Saturn Sextile Jupiter.
So if I just look at Jupiter-Sun…That’s hard.
Back up look at a larger picture, There is this dance of relationships, all with independent motivations but all connected.
Another
Nept (I dream it up)
sq. Saturn,(I have to work hard dam it)
sq. Moon,(I need to understand it, and feel good about it, it’s frustrating),
Saturn and Moon- Cap and Cancer, grrrrrr….
Now if I pull this off, all this energy is released to, Moon trine 10th/11th cusp Virgo Mars.
So the gitin’ there ain’t always so easy, but once it is, yippeeeee. Let’s build this thing, this will be fun. Mars Sextile Sun, the soul is fed..
Oppositions. Well aren’t there all these lines on a chart that ARE oppositions. IC-MC, Asc-Dec, all the house cusps. Is there some big problem the IC and MC have with each other. Or is it more they rely on each other for the whole? I have come to see Opp. as a great advantage, depending on the bodies involved. You need to pay attention to both though to utilize this advantage, left alone, they can, run a muck, seem to pull you in 2 directions at once. Find the balance that doesn’t take away from either and you have a great energy to utilize...
Says beginner me… -
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Re: Hard Aspects
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 8:05 PMHow do you know what your negative aspects signify? I mean, it's hard to work on something if you don't know what you need to work on. For example, I noticed I have my Moon square my AC. I've been ruminating on that for awhile. I'm a Cancer rising, which is all about emotions and the moon...
well, it's confusing. My question is, is there a website or a book you guys use? I dig how you interpret your squares, Q. Fiery competition is good for the mind, I always say. :-) -
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Re: Hard Aspects
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 8:10 PMRobert Hand - Planets in Aspect is an oldie but goodie. i still use it all the time as a reference when i'm stuck
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Fri, September 14, 2007 - 11:23 PMBooks, websites, etc are always good, but I found it helpful, at the same time, to look at the charts of friends and family, people I knew/famous people and see how the aspects are actually expressed. You begin to see patterns.
Maybe get your chart read by a few different astrologers and see what their interpretations are and whether it feels right to you. It's like learning a language. As you 'evolve', your chart reveals more and more to you, on deeper levels, not just mundane stuff like your personality traits..
You can type in birthdays and look at charts on www.astro.com
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Re: Hard Aspects
Sat, September 15, 2007 - 8:46 AMThge planets incline,
but do not necessitate.
(Like the weather).
It's all about using/controling one's 'karmic' enfoldments,
about working upon ourselves to be better persons...
ML.