http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#fd64e911-d08c-41e1-86d7-7c32e907a579 Clinton fires off a few historically correct comments about the length of primaries. Obama people take it as an insult, media spin creates another set of headlines about an assassination possibility. And the Republicans are rolling on the floor. But, not to miss an opportunity to gain something for the GOP out of this mess; a cartoonist has provided the latest version of the truth. The cartoon may be found here - http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/OPINION01/71022608 That's right folks, it's now the "OBAMA assassination remarks". Sat, 31 May 2008 14:52:31 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#fd64e911-d08c-41e1-86d7-7c32e907a579 Edward 2008-05-31T14:52:31Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#d7562f10-3092-4e0c-9bab-ee94940a875a I've been hearing that Hillary carrying things on to the convention is going to hurt Obama, and we could be stick with McSame for four years... Sat, 31 May 2008 12:53:50 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#d7562f10-3092-4e0c-9bab-ee94940a875a Lawrence 2008-05-31T12:53:50Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#11c29408-6b38-4c20-b3f9-f5a8964b3e46 Uh oh yeah...astrology...Taurus Moon people seem so cool/collected!...aspects pending of course.. Sat, 31 May 2008 04:16:24 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#11c29408-6b38-4c20-b3f9-f5a8964b3e46 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-31T04:16:24Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#05bc7b7b-d1c7-4f42-99f0-98867565047f I can't wait for him to wipe the floor with that tired piece of crap McCain. ~V~ Sat, 31 May 2008 04:15:52 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#05bc7b7b-d1c7-4f42-99f0-98867565047f $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-31T04:15:52Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#b26853b1-8409-4b6b-9f26-b3ca5f48e454 "He strikes me as an extremely intelligent person whose prolly grown far beyond such simplistic, politically charged identifications, but like all politicians, has to pander to the lowest common denominator of citizen who can't see or think beyond the most simplistic terms about anything. " I fully agree....and ... Senator Obama in my view is one of the most remarkable individuals of our time...in a long time... The contrast in campaign innovation, foresight, Integrity! in his conduct (and that speaks to "experience") supercedes the other candidates....in my view. Whether he is elected or not, history should/will recognize the seeds of political integrity/reform that have been set in motion by this remarkable human being. Sat, 31 May 2008 04:05:22 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#b26853b1-8409-4b6b-9f26-b3ca5f48e454 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-31T04:05:22Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#32531ae5-88e4-44c4-bfa7-15d272d6b76a I think it is time for a woman in the oval office... BUT I don't think Hillary Clinton is the woman. If I were either Obama or McCain, I would search for the most qualified women with at least legislative experience and choose from among them for a running mate. NOT just to win an election, mind you, but to bring a woman's perspective and touch into America's national policy-making and diplomacy. Neither Hillary Clinton nor Condoleezza Rice would be my choice. Regardless of whether Obama or McCain get the presidency, I think a fem VP is something that would do this country a lot of good, not only domestically, but internationally. Fri, 30 May 2008 23:57:50 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#32531ae5-88e4-44c4-bfa7-15d272d6b76a Poontangle♂♥♀ 2008-05-30T23:57:50Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#a483dfa4-22e9-4aec-a04f-f393ee9afc1a I guess this brings up the more important question as to whether bullshit can in fact be copyrighted. ~V~ Thu, 29 May 2008 19:55:16 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#a483dfa4-22e9-4aec-a04f-f393ee9afc1a $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-29T19:55:16Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#b7a34016-4d78-49f0-ae90-93593f40535e First published by Klaudio Zic Publications, 2008, www.lulu.com/astrology. Copyright © 2008 By Klaudio Zic. All Rights Reserved. No part of this material may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or otherwise, for commercial purposes or otherwise, without the written permission of the author, except when permitted by law. HILLARY Copyright © 2008 by Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved. http://www.lulu.com/astrology CONSIDERATIONS After taking a look at Hillary's horoscope we desist from accusing Obama as dangerous, as Mars, Saturn and Pluto together greatly override all the innocent malice in Obama's horoscope. In a hilarious situation where the time of birth is unknown, we chose 8 AM. MON IN CETUS Hillary's Moon is Cetus bound1, which is a standard zodiacal position, but what attracts pour attention is that the Moon is also bound towards Cetus II. The Moon namely crosses Cetus thrice on occasion. Moon in Cetus is a great opportunity in studying the secondary angular directions. Sufficient documentation over the years include a special study on C.G. Jung and Bill Gates. In the Age of Cetus we are naturally inclined towards studying planets in Cetus, also because of the presence of many interesting objects like election Earth coorbital Cruithne, 2002 AA29 and 2000 PH5. Eris in Cetus facilitates timing oif great events such as the primaries. Klaudio Zic Copyright © 2008 by Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved worldwide. Redistribution of this file in any form is violation of the Copyright Law. This copyrighted material has been previously published as available from http://www.lulu.com/astrology Copyright © 2008 By Klaudio Zic. All Rights Reserved. No part of this material may be reproduced or Transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or otherwise, for commercial purposes or otherwise, without the written permission of the author, except when permitted by law. 1As animated within our Serpens publication. Thu, 29 May 2008 19:45:02 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#b7a34016-4d78-49f0-ae90-93593f40535e Lord of the Zodiac 2008-05-29T19:45:02Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#c5d99388-b745-45da-b59f-23dc88c8806b Language is a powerful "thing." The curiosity and capacity to dissect and understand it is a powerful and essential skill IM book. It should be a requirement in school, right up there with self-dosing Ritalin when one gets a little twitchy in class or huffing paint fumes out of a bag after skool before watching cartoons and eating hyper-processed sugar goo-goo snacks before mommy microwaves yer dinner absentmindedly while slamming down red-bull vodka concoctions and valium in the grand suburban dream as daddy pretends to toil away at the office but is really just having an affair with the barista in the lobby that unnervingly reminds him of his daughter in a few years if she doesn't pay attention in skool instead of snorting birth control pills on lunchbreak. ~V~ Wed, 28 May 2008 22:19:23 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#c5d99388-b745-45da-b59f-23dc88c8806b $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-28T22:19:23Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#5e6cde63-f963-454f-81d0-83219bd3e894 I found it telling that most comments remarked as if he said they TURN to guns or religion.. he said "cling", which is a huge difference to me. You "cling" to something you ALREADY trust, and God and weapons have been pretty much the oldest. As the saying goes, "trust in God, but keep your powder dry." Wed, 28 May 2008 22:08:23 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#5e6cde63-f963-454f-81d0-83219bd3e894 Poontangle♂♥♀ 2008-05-28T22:08:23Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#e6da2a89-78c0-4a4c-9770-096d29b0717e somebody let me know that he couldn't view my blog. I found out that I had left my privacy settings at friends only now I changed it to everyone so you will be able to check out my blog Wed, 28 May 2008 18:07:18 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#e6da2a89-78c0-4a4c-9770-096d29b0717e Raymond 2008-05-28T18:07:18Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#2187c70a-1f6e-4417-9db9-794af12b7463 Erm...that's not what you meant? Calling Hillary a "sore loser" and making comments like this? "and it really doesn't matter one way or another of opinions of "this" or "that" the real deal is Obama's winning - and Hillary is losing (PERIOD)" Wed, 28 May 2008 17:09:46 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#2187c70a-1f6e-4417-9db9-794af12b7463 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-28T17:09:46Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#5a24b9f0-c808-47bd-8fc1-9fd83aef290b Come on Willow that's not what i meant they were trying to decern if this country is ready or not for a woman or a black man with racial and sexist conitations, my point being that they both got this far, i would say america is ready for both or either... and so far Obama is ahead - is that better? the most important thing is that one of these two come out on top come election time Wed, 28 May 2008 05:22:06 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#5a24b9f0-c808-47bd-8fc1-9fd83aef290b Metaphysics 2008-05-28T05:22:06Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#46cc4823-10bf-42b1-99b2-9efaf1e056f8 Maybe Obama joined that church not because of race, but because that's where he found god and had a spiritual connection there, along with its progression outlook on religion and congregation - this church is famous in Chicago - this was Oprah's church Wed, 28 May 2008 05:07:28 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#46cc4823-10bf-42b1-99b2-9efaf1e056f8 Metaphysics 2008-05-28T05:07:28Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#62c488e4-9d3e-4873-8af6-556b4b374084 BOTH Clintons are masters of innuendo (A remark or question that works obliquely by allusion) and by-any-means tactics. Follow the several statements she (and Bill) has made during her campaign. Many are open-ended but have a definite purpose, while leaving the author an out, saying things like, "Well you can make whatever you want of it, but that isn't what I meant." But when you ask what EXACTLY they meant, you get another indefinite answer that leaves the same out for them. I am not surprised in the least to learn she is a Scorpio. Scorpios aren't exactly known for their "transparency". In fact, they capitalize on hidden and coded information. You can interpret her comment two ways - "Historically, campaigns have run longer than this already has." or "Why would I quit now, when there is still the possibility that Obama could be "eliminated" before the convention?" The statement that campaigns have historically run even longer could have been made without reminding the public of Bobby Kennedy's "elimination" as a candidate, if that is the only point she was making. Wed, 28 May 2008 00:47:13 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#62c488e4-9d3e-4873-8af6-556b4b374084 Poontangle♂♥♀ 2008-05-28T00:47:13Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#1ddaa9d5-3f4f-4db7-ae07-c6cd526b0890 God Star, the fact that you're stil playing the "winners versus losers" paradigm shows that mayhaps it is you not playing with a full deck. You're furthering yet another bullshit throwback that seems to run rampant in American society. One candidate will become the Democratic candidate for president. One will not. Both will continue with political careers. There is really no "I'm a winner! You're a loser! Nanna nanna boo boo!" about it. Wed, 28 May 2008 00:32:49 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#1ddaa9d5-3f4f-4db7-ae07-c6cd526b0890 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-28T00:32:49Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#d324a7c2-e8bd-4567-b894-b0018f3651df in regards to joining Wright's church. Some believed that he joined to get some street credentials. Some people thought he wasn't black enough because he's half white, and he has no ancestral African American slavery history for his father was a native black African. Some believe that maybe his wife, Michelle was an influence on him in regards to going to church. Some even believe that he might have went to predominantly black church to interact more with blacks and get more in touch with his black half. After all,he only knew his white half of the family. He was raised by his white mother and white grandparents. I wrote an essay called Ethnic Relations........I wrote about ethnic relations issues, also the bi-ethnic white,black experience and the dilemmas that they experience, and possible ways that we can close the gap between black and white. http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=144639742&blogID=396301138 Tue, 27 May 2008 23:58:57 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#d324a7c2-e8bd-4567-b894-b0018f3651df Raymond 2008-05-27T23:58:57Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#ad6445cf-a265-4158-94ca-33bd58790117 Well, I have those answers perhaps you need to check them out in person and hear them speak or go to their websites Obama has every issue addressed And just because he went to Rev Wrights church does not make him black or him identifying with black people, that's a Fallacy, they're are plenty of white people who attend he is very famous church esp with politicians ...I have a photo with him with Bill Clinton just hanging out. (Wu Tang Clinton ha-ha) Everything Rev Wriight said is true, many white contemporaries endorse him as well and have spoken on his behalf. Obama for America http://www.barackobama.com/splash/donate/donate.html Tue, 27 May 2008 22:16:26 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#ad6445cf-a265-4158-94ca-33bd58790117 Metaphysics 2008-05-27T22:16:26Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#7aaf1e79-0057-41cf-9c77-e7ce84cec9f5 "A Black Man" Obama IS the "Black" Candidate, if he did not identify himself as Black, he would not have joined Wrights church to begin with. One wonders if he could have gotten as far as he has if he were not Black. And that means SO much, carries so much emotional baggage that anything but victory is unthinkable. Further, anything, anyone or any opinion or question which delays that victory is seen solely as racist attitudes and conspiracies. And here is this white woman who won't stand aside, and give him his due without the necessity of actually winning. How dare she! Has she never heard of affirmative action? Whatever happened to judging a Candidate by their stand on issues, by their stated plans for the Country, the actions they would take to repair the damage done over the past eight years. What would Clinton do once elected? What would Obama? We don't have those answers because we're too tied up with race and sensationalism. How incredibly stupid. Tue, 27 May 2008 21:27:33 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#7aaf1e79-0057-41cf-9c77-e7ce84cec9f5 Edward 2008-05-27T21:27:33Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#deddabb1-0f16-4ce1-b203-39130b7b8563 i can see we're not all playing with a full deck... and it really doesn't matter one way or another of opinions of "this" or "that" the real deal is Obama's winning - and Hillary is losing (PERIOD) A Black Man Tue, 27 May 2008 20:59:15 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#deddabb1-0f16-4ce1-b203-39130b7b8563 Metaphysics 2008-05-27T20:59:15Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#0c574ade-455c-480e-b0b2-c7517a7d6a2d I agree with that. Tue, 27 May 2008 19:12:05 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#0c574ade-455c-480e-b0b2-c7517a7d6a2d Raymond 2008-05-27T19:12:05Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#12d1bdb8-e20d-4b4e-8164-fe252930f480 Well, I sort of agree as they are historically interrelated, but I think the issue of class disparities is a far, far bigger monster hiding under the bed than race. ~V~ Tue, 27 May 2008 18:46:03 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#12d1bdb8-e20d-4b4e-8164-fe252930f480 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-27T18:46:03Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#bef00597-b6f5-4f6d-bd75-fc34d39a7bba I think it's both actually........especially if you read about Apallachian area and southern states. I would be nervous living in those areas. I was born in San Francisco and grew up in Sacramento. I live in California all my life. Tue, 27 May 2008 18:31:37 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#bef00597-b6f5-4f6d-bd75-fc34d39a7bba Raymond 2008-05-27T18:31:37Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#10bd0580-8ccb-4d14-9a23-8e9a68a52eee Thanks for sharing Raymond... I think the real bomb that was yet again defused was his comments/allusions to the issue of class disparities that he caught some heat for when commenting on the sensibilities of working class folks of the some mid-country state. I think his statement was actually quite correct but this country still appears not willing or able to talk about class issues and often identifies it as a "racial one." Certainly inexorably linked together in some sense but they are different issues. I think class issues are the long-ticking time bombs waiting to go off. ~V~ Tue, 27 May 2008 18:24:55 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#10bd0580-8ccb-4d14-9a23-8e9a68a52eee $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-27T18:24:55Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#92d54d54-9b5a-494f-b757-4f4eb26fc23e I am not sure. I know that the media tend to label him African American or Black. He's been trying to run as postracial candidate. The thing is that many Americans are hung on the one drop rule which is so outdated. That rule was created to prevent whites from mixing with people who have any black in them because they wanted to keep the white race pure. Of course,that's total nonsense. I believe that the rule should have ended with the June 12, 1967 Loving vs. Virginia Supreme Court Ruling that led to the abolishment of all interracial marriage bans in USA. I am the son of white woman and black man like Barack Obama, I don't embrace the one drop rule. I claim the heritage of both my father and my mother. I never even knew my father,and it was my mother who raised me. My stepfather was a mixed person who is part Black,White,Native American,and Polynesian whose mother looked white that she passed for white. I admit that I had confusion about my ethnic identity just like Barack wrote about his confusion about his ethnic identity. I am all for a mixed person acknowledging all their heritage and not let society label them. Tue, 27 May 2008 18:17:43 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#92d54d54-9b5a-494f-b757-4f4eb26fc23e Raymond 2008-05-27T18:17:43Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#7799d24b-66b5-4e19-bfe1-4a381c208213 I wonder if Obama even identifies as African American or Black. He strikes me as an extremely intelligent person whose prolly grown far beyond such simplistic, politically charged identifications, but like all politicians, has to pander to the lowest common denominator of citizen who can't see or think beyond the most simplistic terms about anything. ~V~ Tue, 27 May 2008 18:03:41 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#7799d24b-66b5-4e19-bfe1-4a381c208213 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-27T18:03:41Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#295127a6-b184-464d-a1d2-d5ae23adf4d6 I disagree The fact is that a person who is black(even half black like in Obama's case)will likely to be in danger if running for high political office. He already received racist death threats. That is the reason that he has secret service so early in the presidential race...earlier than any candidate except for Hillary Clinton who has it because she's a former first lady. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton also had Secret Service early when they ran for president. There have already been KKK leader that suggested that assassination of Obama shortly after he gets elected president(if he does) will happen. There are over 800 hategroups in USA including 179 Klu Klux Klan chapters. Hategroups including the KKK are increasing....thanks to much displeasure about immigration of Mexicans. Many blacks are worried that Obama will get assassinated. Assassination is a sensitive word to the Black community ....especially after the assassinations of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr,Malcolm X,and Medgar Evars...all black civil rights leaders. Obama is the most viable Black presidential candidate ever,...the closer he gets to the presidency,the more likely he's in danger. The Reverend Wright fiasco probably made him more of a target. Like I said before,Obama has already received racist death threats. Tue, 27 May 2008 17:53:36 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#295127a6-b184-464d-a1d2-d5ae23adf4d6 Raymond 2008-05-27T17:53:36Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#45043642-56bd-492b-92a1-deaf0156423f I believe that USA is more ready for a female president than a black president There have been more female(all white) state governors than black(all male) state governors List of female state governors Name ↓ State ↓ From ↓ To ↓ Party ↓ Notes ↓ Nellie Tayloe Ross Wyoming 1925 1927 Democratic wife or widow of a past state governor: Only woman to date to have served as Governor of Wyoming Miriam A. Ferguson Texas 1925 1927 Democratic wife or widow of a past state governor. First woman governor to be re-elected. Miriam A. Ferguson Texas 1933 1935 Democratic wife or widow of a past state governor; Lurleen Wallace Alabama 1967 1968 Democratic wife or widow of a past state governor; Only women to date to have served as Governor of Alabama Ella T. Grasso Connecticut 1975 1980 Democratic first female governor not a wife or widow of a past state governor Dixy Lee Ray Washington 1977 1981 Democratic Washington's first female governor Vesta M. Roy New Hampshire 1982 1983 Republican As acting governor for a single week--never sworn in. Martha Layne Collins Kentucky 1983 1987 Democratic first woman elected Governor of Kentucky and only the third not a wife or widow of a past state governor Madeleine M. Kunin Vermont 1985 1991 Democratic first Jewish woman elected governor in USA, and first female governor of Vermont. Kay Orr Nebraska 1987 1991 Republican first Republican woman to be elected Governor; only woman to date to have served as governor of Nebraska. Rose Perica Mofford Arizona 1988 1991 Democratic Arizona 's first female governor. Joan Finney Kansas 1991 1995 Democratic Kansas' first female, oldest and first Catholic governor. First and to date only woman to unseat an incumbent Governor in a general election Ann Richards Texas 1991 1995 Democratic Second female governor of Texas Barbara Roberts Oregon 1991 1995 Democratic Oregon's first and so far only woman to be elected governor. Christine Todd Whitman New Jersey 1994 2001 Republican New Jersey's first female governor. Jane Dee Hull Arizona 1997 2003 Republican Arizona's first female Republican governor Jeanne Shaheen New Hampshire 1997 2003 Democratic New Hampshire's first female governor Nancy P. Hollister Ohio 1998 1999 Republican served as Governor 31 December 1998 to 11 January 1999. Jane Swift Massachusetts 2001 2003 Republican As acting governor. Judy Martz Montana 2001 2005 Republican Montana's first female governor. Former Olympic skater, former Miss Rodeo Montana Ruth Ann Minner Delaware 2001 Present Democratic Serving second term. Delaware's first female governor. Oldest serving governor. Linda Lingle Hawaii 2002 Present Republican first female, and first Jewish governor of Hawaii. Olene Smith Walker Utah 2003 2005 Republican Utah's first and to date only female governor. Jennifer Granholm Michigan 2003 Present Democratic Michigan's first female governor Janet Napolitano Arizona 2003 Present Democratic Arizona's third female governor, and the first female governor in Arizona to win re-election. Kathleen Sebelius Kansas 2003 Present Democratic second female governor of Kansas Kathleen Blanco Louisiana 2004 2008 Democratic Louisiana's first female governor. Governor during Katrina. M. Jodi Rell Connecticut 2004 Present Republican Lt. Governor of Connecticut until Gov. John G. Rowland resigned during a corruption investigation. Connecticut's second female governor. Christine Gregoire Washington 2005 Present Democratic Washington's second female governor. Sarah Palin Alaska 2006 Present Republican Alaska's youngest governor at 42, first female governor. States that have never had a female governor Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_state_governors_in_the_United_States African American governors Pinckney Benton Stewart Pinchback December 9, 1872, to January 13, 1873. (Pinckney was actually bi-ethnic Black,White) Republican Douglas Wilder Virginia 1990 1994 Democrat Deval Patrick Massachusetts January 2007 present Democrat David Paterson New York 2008 Democrat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African_American_governors Every one of those governors are lightskinned Pinchback was actually born to an interethnic black,white couple like Barack) there were never any African American governors with the average skin coloring or darker so there have been 29 white female governors elected in US history compared to 4 black male governors elected in US history. Therefore, white women were elected more than 7 times more than black men. There are presently 6 white female governors to 2 black male governors. Seeing those facts, I feel that white women have gone a long way in politics far more than black men. I also want to say that I don't believe that racism is a factor in why there are far fewer black governors elected. There could have been far more white women qualified for governor than black men. also just like there are women that are tired of only having men as president, there are a lot of blacks that are tired of only having white people for president. I am sure that there are Asians who want an Asian a president, Hispanics who want a Hispanic president,nonChristians who want a nonChristian president. Of course, there are Democrats that want a Democrat for president and Republicans that want a Republican for president. Many people don't get what they want. In the end, many people are displeased while others are pleased. Paris had to make a choice between Aphrodite,Hera,and Athena in awarding Eris' Golden Apple. Only one person was pleased with his decision,Aphrodite who was given the apple. Hera and Athena ended up hating Paris. Aphrodite was on Trojans' side with Paris(also her son,Aeneas)and Hera and Athena were on the Greeks side against Paris. I don't care if a woman doesn't get elected nor a black(half black) gets elected. I just want a liberal in office. Tue, 27 May 2008 17:51:50 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#45043642-56bd-492b-92a1-deaf0156423f Raymond 2008-05-27T17:51:50Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#edbd8e06-b5ed-4c8c-8ffd-74bd2315c66d "Perhaps this country is just not ready for a Woman President?" see, now is that nice or not so called factual?" That question, and it's corollary: "Perhaps this country is just not ready for a Black President?" May both be regrettable facts, a lamentable, and scary thought. That leaves us with John McCain, another, perhaps better, but still another "Conservative" Republican President. Tue, 27 May 2008 13:28:07 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#edbd8e06-b5ed-4c8c-8ffd-74bd2315c66d Edward 2008-05-27T13:28:07Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#9981aea6-a2b6-4c0b-8579-99d7896c9cf2 "Perhaps this country is just not ready for a Woman President?" see, now is that nice or not so called factual? Sen. Clinton will have her chance in office, I think she's the best and perhaps for her rising sign - Gemini/Cancer is what hides that fact she really has what it takes and could get the job done... with Obama where did he say he's getting is money from? Tue, 27 May 2008 07:21:47 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#9981aea6-a2b6-4c0b-8579-99d7896c9cf2 Metaphysics 2008-05-27T07:21:47Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#c168e708-c3a2-4e0b-bb23-f6cbdecfe105 Hillary is simply a Scorpio Cylon and we must understand that Cylons are similar but different kinds of creatures. She just had a glitch in her programming, one of many actually. ~V~ Tue, 27 May 2008 07:14:00 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#c168e708-c3a2-4e0b-bb23-f6cbdecfe105 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-27T07:14:00Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#d7daebf3-8f5a-4be2-9347-43e5a8fdc0ae Perhaps this country is just not ready for a Woman President? Tue, 27 May 2008 06:47:39 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#d7daebf3-8f5a-4be2-9347-43e5a8fdc0ae Metaphysics 2008-05-27T06:47:39Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#61ecb6ef-7663-46de-ac00-cb0d62e9c1dc A recent editorial - do not have attribution - was syndicated, appeared in local paper (since recycled) just after the WV Primary: While as most at this point in time, allowing that Obama will win, stated the following: "Clinton did her party and Obama a favor by focusing on the Democrats' potential weakness among blue-collar whites. The problem is not unique to Obama. Both Al Gore and John Kerry underperformed with these voters, particularly among males. That Obama has been pushed off his oratorical pedestal and encouraged to connect with disaffected whites will save him trouble in the fall. Clinton, widely seen as the champion of older, well-educated feminist women could be remembered as the politician who brought the party back to its working-class roots." "It's an insult to Black people and all Americans, Obama and Clinton supporters alike." Lately it's been clear that ANY criticism or even doubt expressed re: Obama are labeled "insult" or "racism" or in Clinton's case underhanded, calculated and racist. "playing to the worst instincts of our society." The people who are p[laying to the worst instincts are those who take a statement of historical fact and turn it into a media frenzy. This campaign is being treated like the latest adventure of Paris Hilton and others of her ilk. If there is no headline, bend something around until we have one! I would like to see some coverage of what the candidates intend to do if elected. Tue, 27 May 2008 05:49:14 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#61ecb6ef-7663-46de-ac00-cb0d62e9c1dc Edward 2008-05-27T05:49:14Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#8134d9f3-81c5-4cd9-835c-5780cd9f6ad3 Don't get me wrong I like Hillary, but i believe this to be an act of desperation thought it could have been a mistake, I just that you don't make those kinds of mistakes, imo Obama is just being diplomatic about it. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/05/23/2008-05-23_hillary_clinton_slammed_for_robert_kenne.html Her remark reinforces that Sen Clinton should fold her candidacy. "The danger of her staying in is that she keeps making statements that do serious harm to the party and, increasingly, irreparable harm to her and her legacy," Her whole strategy has been to create enough division and race-based fear among Democratic voters to convince white voters that America won't elect a Black man, and therefore that she's the better choice for Democrats to beat John McCain. While she makes that argument in private, in public Clinton's campaign are doing everything they can to damage Barack Obama by ginning up fear and division and playing to the worst instincts of our society. It's an insult to Black people and all Americans, Obama and Clinton supporters alike. I don't understand why she won't concede and be his vice president? Tue, 27 May 2008 04:10:34 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#8134d9f3-81c5-4cd9-835c-5780cd9f6ad3 Metaphysics 2008-05-27T04:10:34Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#796aad54-3ab7-469f-a38c-c1212b309cf1 "Sore loser " Perhaps you have heard of Thomas Dewey, elected President of the United States in 1948. You are not a loser until you have lost. While we are on this subject; Are there any other statements of historical fact made by Clinton which you believe should not be known by the American public? Should the fact of the RFK assassination be stricken from textbooks and encyclopedias, so as to prevent any one from getting the idea a Presidential Candidate can be shot She also quoted an AP poll, and was chastised for that remark as racist. The WV and KY primaries showed the AP to be correct. The fervor to paint Clinton in the worst way possible led a poster here on Tribe to insinuate the AP itself was racist and the poll biased. And continued to hold that view even after seeing the actual questions used by the AP. Hateful bias is a wonderful thing - it has no logic nor reason, nor requires any.. Tue, 27 May 2008 03:34:06 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#796aad54-3ab7-469f-a38c-c1212b309cf1 Edward 2008-05-27T03:34:06Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#7cddc5e1-a3ee-4b7d-9169-51a07327bde9 Sorry, but that's a load. Obama himself admitted she didn't mean anything hateful by it and that everyone should just move on. People are just looking for any excuse to unleash their rage... Tue, 27 May 2008 03:10:26 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#7cddc5e1-a3ee-4b7d-9169-51a07327bde9 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-27T03:10:26Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#6f11c12b-275f-4131-a6a2-ad4835c26734 That's BS, she knows what she's doing, that woman has lost her mind, and not very tastefully Sore loser, Public Enemy line: "We got a black quarterback, so step back! ha-ha! Tue, 27 May 2008 03:03:56 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#6f11c12b-275f-4131-a6a2-ad4835c26734 Metaphysics 2008-05-27T03:03:56Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#57bc2734-4090-4618-8a3d-0535f8e6815d I agree, Edward. Hillary is a Sun sign Scorp, so just by expressing herself, she triggers the dark undercurrents of the collective that most people like to bury. Because of this, I think she is scapegoated and blamed by emotional reactionaries...as Scorpio energy generally is. I mean, Scorpio isn't above throwing down a reference just to stir some shit up, but I don't think she was doing so in this case. Mon, 26 May 2008 21:35:26 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#57bc2734-4090-4618-8a3d-0535f8e6815d $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-26T21:35:26Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#f3b72606-38ac-4b02-a991-e3eec2a29cff In a March interview with Time magazine, she said: "Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual." Historically, other primaries ran into June as well. She had to go and specifically mention the one in which RFK was killed. Thereby setting the stage for another apology. The National Review (True Conservative publication - not neocon) had another take written by David Frum: It seems obvious to me that she was just trying to stress that the most intensely emotional Democratic primary contest of her lifetime extended into June. It seems utterly bizarre to suggest that she was in any way contemplating an assassination attempt on Sen Obama. Maybe Obama and his team heard it differently. But maybe also they have a regular tactic of seizing on anodyne Clinton remarks and clutching at them as racial insults. . . . We'll see more of that in the general. We'll see much more of it if he wins the presidency. An ultra-thin-skinned president whose supporters reject all criticism as a racist outrage - yes, I guess that counts as a new kind of politics. I'm not so sure it counts as an improved kind of politics. Mon, 26 May 2008 15:47:45 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#f3b72606-38ac-4b02-a991-e3eec2a29cff Edward 2008-05-26T15:47:45Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#b5c20c9d-441e-4e0d-a8f0-63abf0f6856a its like farting in a crowded elevator - Mon, 26 May 2008 11:17:03 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#b5c20c9d-441e-4e0d-a8f0-63abf0f6856a $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-26T11:17:03Z http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#eb12ccad-d7f4-4dbb-a3b9-9fa827d23608 This isn't the first time Hillary has invoked Bobby Kennedy's assassination as part of an argument about the length of the primary process. One group that probably ultimately wouldn't want it to go on too long is the Democratic Party itself. Can you envision a point at which — if the race stays this close — and with the difficulties that everyone has analyzed in accumulating enough delegates to get any distance ahead where party elders would step in and say "Senators Clinton and Obama, this is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall. We need to figure this out." No I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual. We will see how it unfolds as we go forward over the next three to four months. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1719900-2,00.html I want to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt in regards to what her intentions were when she said it. However, I feel that what she said was both foolish and dangerous. After all, there are people that do want to assassinate Obama. He already has received racist death threats. That's why he has had Secret Service so early in the race. There are hate groups like the KKK that would love to take him out. A Klu Klux Klan leader has already suggested the possibility of his being assassinated shortly after being elected president. There are also some people who think that he's the Anti-Christ. There are some evil and crazy people out there. A crazy person might mistakenly see Hillary's words as a message as a go-ahead to kill him even. Obama's Transits,Solar Arcs,Secondary Progressions on the day of Hillary's latest RFK assassination remark 7:11 PM Transiting Uranus is opposing Obama's Mars with 22 minutes of arc applying and paralleling his Mars with 10 minutes of arc applying(Uranus-Mars occultation transit),and that indicates that unexpected violence is possible....there is possibility of a violent accident. Transiting Mars is squaring his Neptune with 51 minutes applying,and that indicates possible violence,aggression in conflict with his idealism,idealism and can lead to some type of sacrifice a double focus challenging Mars transits are something to raise one's eyebrow as there is a double emphasis on possible violence,aggression Transiting Pluto is contraparalleling his Sun with 1 minute of arc applying. That indicate a time of intensity, transformation as well as possible death which can be literal or figurative or both. Transiting Mars is conjuncting his Sun less than 5 degrees applying now and opposing his Ascendant less than 7 degrees applying right now. Those are wide orbed transits, but some astrologers use aspects by signs like Vedic Astrologers. They would say those aspects are important too. Solar Arc Mars is conjuncting Neptune with 47 minutes of arc applying,but also paralleling with 8 minutes of arc applying(Mars-Neptune occultation),and that repeats the theme of transiting Mars square his Neptune....the possible violence,aggression in conflict with his idealism,inspiration and can lead to some type of sacrifice Solar Arc Uranus is semisquare his Midheaven with 13 minutes of arc applying,and that indicates possible change,unexpected things in his life Solar Arc Eris is opposing his Midheaven with 0 minutes of arc applying, and I feel indicates dealing with issues involving diversity....I feel that ethnic bigotry fits right in His Secondary Progressed Mercury and Secondary Progressed Mars are in conjunction with 3 minutes applying His Secondary Progressed Mercury square his Secondary Progressed Saturn with 35 minutes of arc applying His Secondary Progressed Mars square his Secondary Progressed Saturn with 31 minutes of applying So his Secondary Progressed Saturn is square his Secondary Progressed Mercury-Mars which could indicate possible restrictions,violence,bad news,frustrations. Mars-Saturn is said to be violent,deadly combination. His Secondary Progressed Moon is square his Secondary Progressed Neptune with 0 minutes of arc applying. that could idealistic,inspiration feelings as well as self deception....like in "he might have wishful thinking that things will be okay when its a dangerous time for him....a time that he could lower his guard because he's easily trusting at this time...an emotional idealism......it also indicates possible deception,confusion,illusion involving women. The combined transits,solar arcs,and secondary progression seems like it's a very dangerous time for Obama,and he should be very careful. He shouldn't let his guard down at any time. He definitely should remain protected during any public functions. Mon, 26 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/a45978cd-c4cb-44a8-b7ef-f4c1d0254418#eb12ccad-d7f4-4dbb-a3b9-9fa827d23608 Raymond 2008-05-26T00:00:00Z