This isn't the first time Hillary has invoked Bobby Kennedy's
assassination as part of an argument about the length of the primary
process.
One group that probably ultimately wouldn't want it to go on too long
is the Democratic Party itself. Can you envision a point at which — if
the race stays this close — and with the difficulties that everyone
has analyzed in accumulating enough delegates to get any distance
ahead where party elders would step in and say "Senators Clinton and
Obama, this is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee
in the fall. We need to figure this out."
No I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary
contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy
of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't
wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having
a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual. We
will see how it unfolds as we go forward over the next three to four
months.
www.time.com/time/nation...00-2,00.html
I want to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt in regards to what her
intentions were when she said it.
However, I feel that what she said was both foolish and dangerous.
After all, there are people that do want to assassinate Obama. He
already has received racist death threats. That's why he has had
Secret Service so early in the race. There are hate groups like the
KKK that would love to take him out. A Klu Klux Klan leader has
already suggested the possibility of his being assassinated shortly
after being elected president. There are also some people who think
that he's the Anti-Christ. There are some evil and crazy people out
there. A crazy person might mistakenly see Hillary's words as a
message as a go-ahead to kill him even.
Obama's Transits,Solar Arcs,Secondary Progressions on the day of Hillary's latest RFK assassination remark
7:11 PM
Transiting Uranus is opposing Obama's Mars with 22 minutes of arc
applying and paralleling his Mars with 10 minutes of arc
applying(Uranus-Mars occultation transit),and that indicates that
unexpected violence is possible....there is possibility of a violent
accident.
Transiting Mars is squaring his Neptune with 51 minutes applying,and
that indicates possible violence,aggression in conflict with his
idealism,idealism and can lead to some type of sacrifice
a double focus challenging Mars transits are something to raise one's
eyebrow as there is a double emphasis on possible violence,aggression
Transiting Pluto is contraparalleling his Sun with 1 minute of arc
applying. That indicate a time of intensity, transformation as well as
possible death which can be literal or figurative or both.
Transiting Mars is conjuncting his Sun less than 5 degrees applying
now and opposing his Ascendant less than 7 degrees applying right now.
Those are wide orbed transits, but some astrologers use aspects by
signs like Vedic Astrologers. They would say those aspects are
important too.
Solar Arc Mars is conjuncting Neptune with 47 minutes of arc
applying,but also paralleling with 8 minutes of arc
applying(Mars-Neptune occultation),and that repeats the theme of
transiting Mars square his Neptune....the possible violence,aggression
in conflict with his idealism,inspiration and can lead to some type of
sacrifice
Solar Arc Uranus is semisquare his Midheaven with 13 minutes of arc
applying,and that indicates possible change,unexpected things in his life
Solar Arc Eris is opposing his Midheaven with 0 minutes of arc
applying, and I feel indicates dealing with issues involving
diversity....I feel that ethnic bigotry fits right in
His Secondary Progressed Mercury and Secondary Progressed Mars are in
conjunction with 3 minutes applying
His Secondary Progressed Mercury square his Secondary Progressed
Saturn with 35 minutes of arc applying
His Secondary Progressed Mars square his Secondary Progressed Saturn
with 31 minutes of applying
So his Secondary Progressed Saturn is square his Secondary Progressed
Mercury-Mars which could indicate possible restrictions,violence,bad
news,frustrations. Mars-Saturn is said to be violent,deadly combination.
His Secondary Progressed Moon is square his Secondary Progressed
Neptune with 0 minutes of arc applying. that could
idealistic,inspiration feelings as well as self deception....like in
"he might have wishful thinking that things will be okay when its a
dangerous time for him....a time that he could lower his guard because
he's easily trusting at this time...an emotional idealism......it also
indicates possible deception,confusion,illusion involving women.
The combined transits,solar arcs,and secondary progression seems like
it's a very dangerous time for Obama,and he should be very careful.
He shouldn't let his guard down at any time. He definitely should
remain protected during any public functions.
assassination as part of an argument about the length of the primary
process.
One group that probably ultimately wouldn't want it to go on too long
is the Democratic Party itself. Can you envision a point at which — if
the race stays this close — and with the difficulties that everyone
has analyzed in accumulating enough delegates to get any distance
ahead where party elders would step in and say "Senators Clinton and
Obama, this is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee
in the fall. We need to figure this out."
No I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary
contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy
of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't
wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having
a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual. We
will see how it unfolds as we go forward over the next three to four
months.
www.time.com/time/nation...00-2,00.html
I want to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt in regards to what her
intentions were when she said it.
However, I feel that what she said was both foolish and dangerous.
After all, there are people that do want to assassinate Obama. He
already has received racist death threats. That's why he has had
Secret Service so early in the race. There are hate groups like the
KKK that would love to take him out. A Klu Klux Klan leader has
already suggested the possibility of his being assassinated shortly
after being elected president. There are also some people who think
that he's the Anti-Christ. There are some evil and crazy people out
there. A crazy person might mistakenly see Hillary's words as a
message as a go-ahead to kill him even.
Obama's Transits,Solar Arcs,Secondary Progressions on the day of Hillary's latest RFK assassination remark
7:11 PM
Transiting Uranus is opposing Obama's Mars with 22 minutes of arc
applying and paralleling his Mars with 10 minutes of arc
applying(Uranus-Mars occultation transit),and that indicates that
unexpected violence is possible....there is possibility of a violent
accident.
Transiting Mars is squaring his Neptune with 51 minutes applying,and
that indicates possible violence,aggression in conflict with his
idealism,idealism and can lead to some type of sacrifice
a double focus challenging Mars transits are something to raise one's
eyebrow as there is a double emphasis on possible violence,aggression
Transiting Pluto is contraparalleling his Sun with 1 minute of arc
applying. That indicate a time of intensity, transformation as well as
possible death which can be literal or figurative or both.
Transiting Mars is conjuncting his Sun less than 5 degrees applying
now and opposing his Ascendant less than 7 degrees applying right now.
Those are wide orbed transits, but some astrologers use aspects by
signs like Vedic Astrologers. They would say those aspects are
important too.
Solar Arc Mars is conjuncting Neptune with 47 minutes of arc
applying,but also paralleling with 8 minutes of arc
applying(Mars-Neptune occultation),and that repeats the theme of
transiting Mars square his Neptune....the possible violence,aggression
in conflict with his idealism,inspiration and can lead to some type of
sacrifice
Solar Arc Uranus is semisquare his Midheaven with 13 minutes of arc
applying,and that indicates possible change,unexpected things in his life
Solar Arc Eris is opposing his Midheaven with 0 minutes of arc
applying, and I feel indicates dealing with issues involving
diversity....I feel that ethnic bigotry fits right in
His Secondary Progressed Mercury and Secondary Progressed Mars are in
conjunction with 3 minutes applying
His Secondary Progressed Mercury square his Secondary Progressed
Saturn with 35 minutes of arc applying
His Secondary Progressed Mars square his Secondary Progressed Saturn
with 31 minutes of applying
So his Secondary Progressed Saturn is square his Secondary Progressed
Mercury-Mars which could indicate possible restrictions,violence,bad
news,frustrations. Mars-Saturn is said to be violent,deadly combination.
His Secondary Progressed Moon is square his Secondary Progressed
Neptune with 0 minutes of arc applying. that could
idealistic,inspiration feelings as well as self deception....like in
"he might have wishful thinking that things will be okay when its a
dangerous time for him....a time that he could lower his guard because
he's easily trusting at this time...an emotional idealism......it also
indicates possible deception,confusion,illusion involving women.
The combined transits,solar arcs,and secondary progression seems like
it's a very dangerous time for Obama,and he should be very careful.
He shouldn't let his guard down at any time. He definitely should
remain protected during any public functions.
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 4:17 AMits like farting in a crowded elevator -
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 8:47 AMIn a March interview with Time magazine, she said: "Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual."
Historically, other primaries ran into June as well. She had to go and specifically mention the one in which RFK was killed. Thereby setting the stage for another apology.
The National Review (True Conservative publication - not neocon) had another take written by David Frum:
It seems obvious to me that she was just trying to stress that the most intensely emotional Democratic primary contest of her lifetime extended into June. It seems utterly bizarre to suggest that she was in any way contemplating an assassination attempt on Sen Obama.
Maybe Obama and his team heard it differently. But maybe also they have a regular tactic of seizing on anodyne Clinton remarks and clutching at them as racial insults. . . .
We'll see more of that in the general. We'll see much more of it if he wins the presidency. An ultra-thin-skinned president whose supporters reject all criticism as a racist outrage - yes, I guess that counts as a new kind of politics. I'm not so sure it counts as an improved kind of politics. -
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 2:35 PMI agree, Edward.
Hillary is a Sun sign Scorp, so just by expressing herself, she triggers the dark undercurrents of the collective that most people like to bury. Because of this, I think she is scapegoated and blamed by emotional reactionaries...as Scorpio energy generally is. I mean, Scorpio isn't above throwing down a reference just to stir some shit up, but I don't think she was doing so in this case. -
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 8:03 PM
That's BS, she knows what she's doing,
that woman has lost her mind, and not very tastefully
Sore loser,
Public Enemy line: "We got a black quarterback, so step back! ha-ha!
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 8:10 PMSorry, but that's a load. Obama himself admitted she didn't mean anything hateful by it and that everyone should just move on. People are just looking for any excuse to unleash their rage...
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 8:34 PM"Sore loser "
Perhaps you have heard of Thomas Dewey, elected President of the United States in 1948.
You are not a loser until you have lost.
While we are on this subject;
Are there any other statements of historical fact made by Clinton which you believe should not be known by the American public?
Should the fact of the RFK assassination be stricken from textbooks and encyclopedias, so as to prevent any one from getting the idea a Presidential Candidate can be shot
She also quoted an AP poll, and was chastised for that remark as racist. The WV and KY primaries showed the AP to be correct.
The fervor to paint Clinton in the worst way possible led a poster here on Tribe to insinuate the AP itself was racist and the poll biased. And continued to hold that view even after seeing the actual questions used by the AP.
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 9:10 PM
Don't get me wrong I like Hillary, but i believe this to be an act of desperation
thought it could have been a mistake, I just that you don't make those kinds of mistakes, imo Obama is just being diplomatic about it.
www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...enne.html
Her remark reinforces that Sen Clinton should fold her candidacy.
"The danger of her staying in is that she keeps making statements that do serious harm to the party and, increasingly, irreparable harm to her and her legacy,"
Her whole strategy has been to create enough division and race-based fear among Democratic voters to convince white voters that America won't elect a Black man, and therefore that she's the better choice for Democrats to beat John McCain.
While she makes that argument in private, in public Clinton's campaign are doing everything they can to damage Barack Obama by ginning up fear and division and playing to the worst instincts of our society.
It's an insult to Black people and all Americans, Obama and Clinton supporters alike.
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 10:49 PMA recent editorial - do not have attribution - was syndicated, appeared in local paper (since recycled) just after the WV Primary:
While as most at this point in time, allowing that Obama will win, stated the following:
"Clinton did her party and Obama a favor by focusing on the Democrats' potential weakness among blue-collar whites. The problem is not unique to Obama. Both Al Gore and John Kerry underperformed with these voters, particularly among males. That Obama has been pushed off his oratorical pedestal and encouraged to connect with disaffected whites will save him trouble in the fall. Clinton, widely seen as the champion of older, well-educated feminist women could be remembered as the politician who brought the party back to its working-class roots."
"It's an insult to Black people and all Americans, Obama and Clinton supporters alike."
Lately it's been clear that ANY criticism or even doubt expressed re: Obama are labeled "insult" or "racism" or in Clinton's case underhanded, calculated and racist.
"playing to the worst instincts of our society."
The people who are p[laying to the worst instincts are those who take a statement of historical fact and turn it into a media frenzy.
This campaign is being treated like the latest adventure of Paris Hilton and others of her ilk. If there is no headline, bend something around until we have one!
I would like to see some coverage of what the candidates intend to do if elected.
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 11:47 PM
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 12:14 AMHillary is simply a Scorpio Cylon and we must understand that Cylons are similar but different kinds of creatures.
She just had a glitch in her programming, one of many actually.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 12:21 AM
"Perhaps this country is just not ready for a Woman President?"
see, now is that nice or not so called factual?
Sen. Clinton will have her chance in office, I think she's the best
and perhaps for her rising sign - Gemini/Cancer is what hides that fact
she really has what it takes and could get the job done...
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Re: Hillary's Length of Primaries Remark
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 6:28 AM"Perhaps this country is just not ready for a Woman President?"
see, now is that nice or not so called factual?"
That question, and it's corollary: "Perhaps this country is just not ready for a Black President?"
May both be regrettable facts, a lamentable, and scary thought.
That leaves us with John McCain, another, perhaps better, but still another "Conservative" Republican President.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 10:51 AM
I believe that USA is more ready for a female president than a black president
There have been more female(all white) state governors than black(all male) state governors
List of female state governors
Name ↓ State ↓ From ↓ To ↓ Party ↓ Notes
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Nellie Tayloe Ross Wyoming 1925 1927 Democratic wife or widow of
a past state governor: Only woman to date to have served as Governor
of Wyoming
Miriam A. Ferguson Texas 1925 1927 Democratic wife or widow of a
past state governor. First woman governor to be re-elected.
Miriam A. Ferguson Texas 1933 1935 Democratic wife or widow of a
past state governor;
Lurleen Wallace Alabama 1967 1968 Democratic wife or widow of a
past state governor; Only women to date to have served as Governor of
Alabama
Ella T. Grasso Connecticut 1975 1980 Democratic first female
governor not a wife or widow of a past state governor
Dixy Lee Ray Washington 1977 1981 Democratic Washington's first
female governor
Vesta M. Roy New Hampshire 1982 1983 Republican As acting
governor for a single week--never sworn in.
Martha Layne Collins Kentucky 1983 1987 Democratic first woman
elected Governor of Kentucky and only the third not a wife or widow of
a past state governor
Madeleine M. Kunin Vermont 1985 1991 Democratic first Jewish
woman elected governor in USA, and first female governor of Vermont.
Kay Orr Nebraska 1987 1991 Republican first Republican woman to
be elected Governor; only woman to date to have served as governor of
Nebraska.
Rose Perica Mofford Arizona 1988 1991 Democratic Arizona 's first
female governor.
Joan Finney Kansas 1991 1995 Democratic Kansas' first female,
oldest and first Catholic governor. First and to date only woman to
unseat an incumbent Governor in a general election
Ann Richards Texas 1991 1995 Democratic Second female governor of
Texas
Barbara Roberts Oregon 1991 1995 Democratic Oregon's first and so
far only woman to be elected governor.
Christine Todd Whitman New Jersey 1994 2001 Republican New
Jersey's first female governor.
Jane Dee Hull Arizona 1997 2003 Republican Arizona's first female
Republican governor
Jeanne Shaheen New Hampshire 1997 2003 Democratic New Hampshire's
first female governor
Nancy P. Hollister Ohio 1998 1999 Republican served as Governor
31 December 1998 to 11 January 1999.
Jane Swift Massachusetts 2001 2003 Republican As acting governor.
Judy Martz Montana 2001 2005 Republican Montana's first female
governor. Former Olympic skater, former Miss Rodeo Montana
Ruth Ann Minner Delaware 2001 Present Democratic Serving second
term. Delaware's first female governor. Oldest serving governor.
Linda Lingle Hawaii 2002 Present Republican first female, and
first Jewish governor of Hawaii.
Olene Smith Walker Utah 2003 2005 Republican Utah's first and to
date only female governor.
Jennifer Granholm Michigan 2003 Present Democratic Michigan's
first female governor
Janet Napolitano Arizona 2003 Present Democratic Arizona's third
female governor, and the first female governor in Arizona to win
re-election.
Kathleen Sebelius Kansas 2003 Present Democratic second female
governor of Kansas
Kathleen Blanco Louisiana 2004 2008 Democratic Louisiana's first
female governor. Governor during Katrina.
M. Jodi Rell Connecticut 2004 Present Republican Lt. Governor of
Connecticut until Gov. John G. Rowland resigned during a corruption
investigation. Connecticut's second female governor.
Christine Gregoire Washington 2005 Present Democratic
Washington's second female governor.
Sarah Palin Alaska 2006 Present Republican Alaska's youngest
governor at 42, first female governor.
States that have never had a female governor
Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois,
Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri,
Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee,
Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ted_States
African American governors
Pinckney Benton Stewart Pinchback December 9, 1872, to January 13,
1873. (Pinckney was actually bi-ethnic Black,White) Republican
Douglas Wilder Virginia 1990 1994 Democrat
Deval Patrick Massachusetts January 2007 present Democrat
David Paterson New York 2008 Democrat
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cate..._governors
Every one of those governors are lightskinned
Pinchback was actually born to an interethnic black,white couple like
Barack)
there were never any African American governors with the average skin
coloring or darker
so there have been 29 white female governors elected in US history
compared to 4 black male governors elected in US history. Therefore,
white women were elected more than 7 times more than black men. There
are presently 6 white female governors to 2 black male governors.
Seeing those facts, I feel that white women have gone a long way in
politics far more than black men.
I also want to say that I don't believe that racism is a factor in why
there are far fewer black governors elected. There could have been far
more white women qualified for governor than black men.
also just like there are women that are tired of only having
men as president, there are a lot of blacks that are tired of only
having white people for president. I am sure that there are Asians who
want an Asian a president, Hispanics who want a Hispanic
president,nonChristians who want a nonChristian president. Of course,
there are Democrats that want a Democrat for president and Republicans
that want a Republican for president. Many people don't get what they
want. In the end, many people are displeased while others are pleased.
Paris had to make a choice between Aphrodite,Hera,and Athena in
awarding Eris' Golden Apple. Only one person was pleased with his
decision,Aphrodite who was given the apple. Hera and Athena ended up
hating Paris. Aphrodite was on Trojans' side with Paris(also her
son,Aeneas)and Hera and Athena were on the Greeks side against Paris.
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Fri, May 30, 2008 - 4:57 PMI think it is time for a woman in the oval office... BUT I don't think Hillary Clinton is the woman. If I were either Obama or McCain, I would search for the most qualified women with at least legislative experience and choose from among them for a running mate. NOT just to win an election, mind you, but to bring a woman's perspective and touch into America's national policy-making and diplomacy. Neither Hillary Clinton nor Condoleezza Rice would be my choice. Regardless of whether Obama or McCain get the presidency, I think a fem VP is something that would do this country a lot of good, not only domestically, but internationally.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 5:47 PMBOTH Clintons are masters of innuendo (A remark or question that works obliquely by allusion) and by-any-means tactics.
Follow the several statements she (and Bill) has made during her campaign. Many are open-ended but have a definite purpose, while leaving the author an out, saying things like, "Well you can make whatever you want of it, but that isn't what I meant." But when you ask what EXACTLY they meant, you get another indefinite answer that leaves the same out for them. I am not surprised in the least to learn she is a Scorpio. Scorpios aren't exactly known for their "transparency". In fact, they capitalize on hidden and coded information.
You can interpret her comment two ways -
"Historically, campaigns have run longer than this already has."
or
"Why would I quit now, when there is still the possibility that Obama could be "eliminated" before the convention?"
The statement that campaigns have historically run even longer could have been made without reminding the public of Bobby Kennedy's "elimination" as a candidate, if that is the only point she was making.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 10:53 AM
I disagree
The fact is that a person who is black(even half black like in Obama's
case)will likely to be in danger if running for high political office.
He already received racist death threats. That is the reason that he
has secret service so early in the presidential race...earlier than
any candidate except for Hillary Clinton who has it because she's a
former first lady. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton also had Secret
Service early when they ran for president.
There have already been KKK leader that suggested that assassination
of Obama shortly after he gets elected president(if he does) will
happen. There are over 800 hategroups in USA including 179 Klu Klux
Klan chapters. Hategroups including the KKK are increasing....thanks
to much displeasure about immigration of Mexicans.
Many blacks are worried that Obama will get assassinated.
Assassination is a sensitive word to the Black community
....especially after the assassinations of Dr. Martin Luther King
Jr,Malcolm X,and Medgar Evars...all black civil rights leaders. Obama
is the most viable Black presidential candidate ever,...the closer he
gets to the presidency,the more likely he's in danger.
The Reverend Wright fiasco probably made him more of a target. Like I
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 11:03 AMI wonder if Obama even identifies as African American or Black.
He strikes me as an extremely intelligent person whose prolly grown far beyond such simplistic, politically charged identifications, but like all politicians, has to pander to the lowest common denominator of citizen who can't see or think beyond the most simplistic terms about anything.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 11:17 AM
I am not sure. I know that the media tend to label him African American or Black. He's been trying to run as postracial candidate.
The thing is that many Americans are hung on the one drop rule which is so outdated. That rule was created to prevent whites from mixing with people who have any black in them because they wanted to keep the white race pure. Of course,that's total nonsense. I believe that the rule should have ended with the June 12, 1967 Loving vs. Virginia Supreme Court Ruling that led to the abolishment of all interracial marriage bans in USA.
I am the son of white woman and black man like Barack Obama, I don't embrace the one drop rule. I claim the heritage of both my father and my mother. I never even knew my father,and it was my mother who raised me. My stepfather was a mixed person who is part Black,White,Native American,and Polynesian whose mother looked white that she passed for white.
I admit that I had confusion about my ethnic identity just like Barack wrote about his confusion about his ethnic identity.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 11:24 AMThanks for sharing Raymond...
I think the real bomb that was yet again defused was his comments/allusions to the issue of class disparities that he caught some heat for when commenting on the sensibilities of working class folks of the some mid-country state.
I think his statement was actually quite correct but this country still appears not willing or able to talk about class issues and often identifies it as a "racial one." Certainly inexorably linked together in some sense but they are different issues.
I think class issues are the long-ticking time bombs waiting to go off.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 11:31 AM
I think it's both actually........especially if you read about Apallachian area and southern states. I would be nervous living in those areas.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 11:46 AMWell, I sort of agree as they are historically interrelated, but I think the issue of class disparities is a far, far bigger monster hiding under the bed than race.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 1:59 PM
i can see we're not all playing with a full deck...
and it really doesn't matter one way or another of opinions of "this" or "that"
the real deal is Obama's winning - and Hillary is losing (PERIOD)
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 2:27 PM"A Black Man"
Obama IS the "Black" Candidate, if he did not identify himself as Black, he would not have joined Wrights church to begin with. One wonders if he could have gotten as far as he has if he were not Black.
And that means SO much, carries so much emotional baggage that anything but victory is unthinkable. Further, anything, anyone or any opinion or question which delays that victory is seen solely as racist attitudes and conspiracies.
And here is this white woman who won't stand aside, and give him his due without the necessity of actually winning. How dare she! Has she never heard of affirmative action?
Whatever happened to judging a Candidate by their stand on issues, by their stated plans for the Country, the actions they would take to repair the damage done over the past eight years. What would Clinton do once elected? What would Obama? We don't have those answers because we're too tied up with race and sensationalism.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 3:16 PM
Well, I have those answers perhaps you need to check them out in person and hear them speak or go to their websites Obama has every issue addressed
And just because he went to Rev Wrights church does not make him black or him identifying with black people, that's a Fallacy, they're are plenty of white people who attend he is very famous church esp with politicians ...I have a photo with him with Bill Clinton just hanging out. (Wu Tang Clinton ha-ha) Everything Rev Wriight said is true, many white contemporaries endorse him as well and have spoken on his behalf.
Obama for America
www.barackobama.com/splash/d...nate.html
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 4:58 PM
in regards to joining Wright's church. Some believed that he joined to get some street credentials. Some people thought he wasn't black enough because he's half white, and he has no ancestral African American slavery history for his father was a native black African.
Some believe that maybe his wife, Michelle was an influence on him in regards to going to church.
Some even believe that he might have went to predominantly black church to interact more with blacks and get more in touch with his black half. After all,he only knew his white half of the family. He was raised by his white mother and white grandparents.
I wrote an essay called Ethnic Relations........I wrote about ethnic relations issues, also the bi-ethnic white,black experience and the dilemmas that they experience, and possible ways that we can close the gap between black and white.
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 10:07 PM
Maybe Obama joined that church not because of race, but because that's where he found god and had a spiritual connection there, along with its progression outlook on religion and congregation - this church is famous in Chicago - this was Oprah's church
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Wed, May 28, 2008 - 11:07 AM
somebody let me know that he couldn't view my blog.
I found out that I had left my privacy settings at friends only
now I changed it to everyone
so you will be able to check out my blog
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 5:32 PMGod Star, the fact that you're stil playing the "winners versus losers" paradigm shows that mayhaps it is you not playing with a full deck. You're furthering yet another bullshit throwback that seems to run rampant in American society.
One candidate will become the Democratic candidate for president. One will not. Both will continue with political careers. There is really no "I'm a winner! You're a loser! Nanna nanna boo boo!" about it. -
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 10:22 PM
Come on Willow that's not what i meant
they were trying to decern if this country is ready or not for a woman or a black man
with racial and sexist conitations, my point being that they both got this far, i would say america is ready for both or either... and so far Obama is ahead - is that better?
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Wed, May 28, 2008 - 10:09 AMErm...that's not what you meant? Calling Hillary a "sore loser" and making comments like this?
"and it really doesn't matter one way or another of opinions of "this" or "that"
the real deal is Obama's winning - and Hillary is losing (PERIOD)"
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Wed, May 28, 2008 - 3:08 PMI found it telling that most comments remarked as if he said they TURN to guns or religion.. he said "cling", which is a huge difference to me. You "cling" to something you ALREADY trust, and God and weapons have been pretty much the oldest. As the saying goes, "trust in God, but keep your powder dry." -
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Wed, May 28, 2008 - 3:19 PMLanguage is a powerful "thing."
The curiosity and capacity to dissect and understand it is a powerful and essential skill IM book.
It should be a requirement in school, right up there with self-dosing Ritalin when one gets a little twitchy in class or huffing paint fumes out of a bag after skool before watching cartoons and eating hyper-processed sugar goo-goo snacks before mommy microwaves yer dinner absentmindedly while slamming down red-bull vodka concoctions and valium in the grand suburban dream as daddy pretends to toil away at the office but is really just having an affair with the barista in the lobby that unnervingly reminds him of his daughter in a few years if she doesn't pay attention in skool instead of snorting birth control pills on lunchbreak.
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Re: Hillary's RFK assassination remarks
Thu, May 29, 2008 - 12:45 PMFirst published by Klaudio Zic Publications, 2008, www.lulu.com/astrology. Copyright © 2008 By Klaudio Zic. All Rights Reserved. No part of this material may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or otherwise, for commercial purposes or otherwise, without the written permission of the author, except when permitted by law.
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CONSIDERATIONS
After taking a look at Hillary's horoscope we desist from accusing Obama as dangerous, as Mars, Saturn and Pluto together greatly override all the innocent malice in Obama's horoscope. In a hilarious situation where the time of birth is unknown, we chose 8 AM.
MON IN CETUS
Hillary's Moon is Cetus bound1, which is a standard zodiacal position, but what attracts pour attention is that the Moon is also bound towards Cetus II. The Moon namely crosses Cetus thrice on occasion. Moon in Cetus is a great opportunity in studying the secondary angular directions. Sufficient documentation over the years include a special study on C.G. Jung and Bill Gates. In the Age of Cetus we are naturally inclined towards studying planets in Cetus, also because of the presence of many interesting objects like election Earth coorbital Cruithne, 2002 AA29 and 2000 PH5. Eris in Cetus facilitates timing oif great events such as the primaries.
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