Intuitive Astrology (Our Tribe)
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"God is consciousness and the fusion into action and manifestation, the potential for all that is, out of ....itself -
i.e. dIVINE masterbastion into Love" -Dog Star
"From Pisces to Aries and then all over again, round and round" -Dog Star
KMT Ontology and Cosmogenesis
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The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question! (Consciousness is that–which–creates–itself."
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Beginnings (Pic of Nwn -dIVINE orgasm)
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KMT
It is written that this part of the cosmos that we know of, this universe, this galaxy, this solar system, and this sun structured itself over 21 billion years ago. Billions and billions of years of jet blackness, dark black matter, dark black energy, and black holes then came light and life.
There was a time when only blackness prevailed in everything and in all things. In the beginning all was black. There was no universe but there was dark black energy, the immortal unity and struggle of female/male matter and spirit, pure energy and impulse, that created itself out of itself. Blackness and darkness led to light---not the other way around.
In a majestic struggle between matter and anti-matter bonded energy eventually formed elementary particles, elements-stars-planets-solar systems-galaxies-complete universes. These solar organisms bonded together with gravitational forces which formed solar systems and clusters of galaxies. This gravitational soup became the cosmic webbing of the infant universe which continually expanded-changed-developed.
From this universe came our galaxy, then our solar system. Within this solar system formed a sun-nine planets-moons-asteroids-comets with all being electro-magnetically held together by precisely balanced gravitational attraction and repulsion. Constantly in motion, having no days off, moving at colossal speeds stars are suns with their own rings of planets revolve on their axis and turn with the entire galaxy as it turns on its own axis.
Each star---its own universe on fire---is a blazing fiery solar hurricane. Its entire surface is in a state of bubbling, erupting, burning, hot agitation with colossal fiery heat waves passing over the turbulent stars burning hot surface. Galactic fire streams shot out as gigantic streams of internal heat, pulsating, throbbing, illuminating, pouring forth into space in the form of radiation---giving live to planets and their moons. Physical gravitational fields connect the particles allowing them to interact and thus exist.
Without this nothing would connect the stars in the galaxies or the substance itself within the starts and planets. There would be no solar systems, stars, or planets, without electromagnetic fields. Nothing would connect electrons and protons in atoms into molecules and molecules into tissue. From elementary particles to nucleus from nuclei and electrons there came atoms from atoms came molecules from molecules and their aggregates gaseous-liquid-solid bodies formed bodies that make up stars and their satellites, the planets and their satellites.
Twenty-one billion years of matter and antimatter flowing down the majestic cosmic ladder from universes to super clusters, galaxy clusters, galaxies, star clusters, quasars, pulsars, stars, solar systems, planets, other celestial bodies to molecular complexes, crystals, molecules, atoms, elementary nuclear particles, photons, force fields, quantum levels, to sub-quantum elements. These solar organisms bonded together with gravitational forces, which formed solar systems and clusters of galaxies.
This gravitational soup became the cosmic webbing of the infant universe, which continually expanded, changed, developed. This process resulted from explosions of anti-matter and matter which produced the bonded energy which eventually formed elements, stars, planets, solar systems, galaxies, and complete universes. The materials of these solar organism such as stars, gas, energy particles, cosmic debris, planets, asteroids, comets, nebulae, black holes, etc., are bonded together by gravitational forces which form solar systems and clusters of galaxies which are continually expanding, moving, changing.
In sum, from this universe came our galaxy. Then our solar system. Within this solar system formed a sun, nine planets-moons-asteroids-comets with all being electro-magnetically held together by precisely balanced gravitational attraction and repulsion. This system was and is constantly in motion, having no days off. It moves at colossal speeds.
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Re: Beginnings: The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 10:15 AM
God is a Black woman ...(an analogy)
there is no space and time, so no light can enter, and gives birth to the world and beyond and everything in it
this is the Matrix - ma ma ;-P
There does not have to be a start point or a creation point. Imagine something that always was, and always will be. You have heard the circle analogy before, no start or end point, or the mobius strip, anything which curves back into itself is immortal! That is the self-reflexive nature of consciousness itself.
Well, we are trying to explain something which has never been created, to those who believe there MUST be a start point to something. And that is true, there must be a start point to something. Consciousness is not a thing. A thing is that which is created from consciousness –– a result of thought.
Consciousness is that–which–creates–itself.
This is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question!
dIVINE'S a witness through your minds eye and intelligence - God is looking through your eyes, your heart, your soul, and is discerning all your factors, your pain, your tears, your judgments, your joy... this is how we are all connected...through this conscious awareness -
This is why its important to share Love, remember this is a very smart and intelligence force who designed you and everything in the world -
IDT is one way of seeing and proving this Intelligence, by the delicate and intricate parts of DNA, as cute as a bugs ear (smiles)
Thought is an energy, it creates the universe and even down to your DNA ...Nothing does Exist and Creates -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:00 PMThe "theory that darkness + darkness = light is utter nonsense.
Scientist know that this "dark matter" is not actually dark, but is invisible. It was just a term that they used. And it is not composed of the familiar electrons, neutrons and protons.
Light is greatly more powerful than darkness. Darkness flees away in the presence of light. Go into a dark room and turn on a light switch and you will never see yourself overtaken by darkness, the darkness leaves, there is no place for it.
There must initially be a spark for something to happen. And it must be the correct mixture. I have never seen the seas catch fire and create light by themselves.
You have spoken of gravity and electromagnetism that seems to hold everything together, but you have failed to mention that the nucleus of an atom will fall apart if it were just held together by the electromagnetic charge. What actually holds them together is what scientiest have termed "The Stronger Force". webs.morningside.edu/slaven/...om2.html also webs.morningside.edu/slaven/...ro1.html
God is a Spirit....(not an analogy) and He is what holds everything together. He is not subject to time, nor space, as He is also seperate yet within our space - time continuim. It was created for us. There is a power which is able to create something from nothing. To speak it into existance by the power of His Word. A much higher force than your reality box may choose to perceive. Mixed with faith, and knowing, it manifests in reality. (You might study Neptune sextile or trine Saturn to get a taste. Mix some Jupiter in there too while your at it)
In the midst darkness a 2 million candelight flashlight might appear as a great light, but it is nonexistant, and all darkness leaves when you have beheld the shining light of the Son.
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:27 PM
You have gotten yourself into quite a conundrum!
Spirit is an analogy for god, but thats not all god is - spirit comes from consciousness
"Dark matter" is not a rare or insignificant ingredient, but makes up at least 90% of the mass in the universe.
don't think it can't snuff out the suns or your spirit
I guess you could say space but actually here there is no space nor time nor light, but its dark with light there is a vibration
much like what we would call the night sky yet without stars or a reflective moon, which is dark, but imagine no light at all - it's dark or Black
Black is not the absence of light but the Absorption of light.
Black can be defined as the visual impression experienced in directions from which no visible light en.wikipedia.org/
Dark Matter en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
A major discovery in astrophysics in the late 1990s was the finding from type Ia supernovae redshift-luminosity observations that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. This led to the concept of dark energy, which is in effect a resurrection of Einstein's cosmological constant.
(The universe now appears to consist of about 70 percent dark energy, 25 percent dark matter and five percent ordinary matter.)
The Big Bang Created out of Blackness
The cosmological value of this is resolve any anomalies which presently exist in our understanding of the universe. To have this sort of primordial "dark matter" present before the Big Bang would indicate that the Big Bang (ENERGY) was created out of a certain percentage of this primordial "dark matter," but not all of it was "converted" to luminous matter. Thus we still have much of this primordial "dark matter" around. -
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Re: Beginnings: The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:36 PM
nuclear fusion is a process
The nucleus of an atom is the very dense region consisting of protons and neutrons.
It is accompanied by the release or *absorption of energy (Tao)
proton a subatomic particle with an electric charge
Spirit - Ra is the Egyptian equivalent of life-force, chi, kundalini, prana, shekinah and salaat.
Spirit comes from that nothingness
Ra is not the Sun god. Ra is the energy of life and the Sun and glyph symbolized the Ra energy. —supports all life on Earth and Life
Something I posted about divinity in the past that relates to Khemetic divinity.
When you are dreaming and meditating you are in a realm where you are creating, acting as the creator. You think you have no control. But in your dreams and meditations you can fly correct. Go any place in this world? You question nothing? Right? This is you, your god self.
When you wake up you create a reality based on your meditation (Darkness). You manifest this into creation (Consciousness). Reality is not even that real. It is RE - Ality. Something you already created in another realm. Something you in fact had control over.
As KMT we understand that there is a continium, cipher, a circle. You have a hand with many fingers. But you call it a hand. Many parts but one hand. Its all the same. You dont say I picked the baby up with my 10 different fingers, palm, and figernails. One in the same.
This is how the universe is. You, the plants, cats, and dogs are apart of the universe. You are the universe.
My mother is a GOD. She created me. At one time I lived in her womb and we were one being. I am now outside of her body. But guess what my DNA tells me that we one. A DNA tests can prove she is my mother. So now that I left the womb I am no longer her and she is no longer me? No, we are still the same person. I am just manifesting her light and energy in a different form. All life is energy. You may look in me and see a light brown face. But you only see a light brown face because of the heat of the energy.
Look at fire. Depending on the heat it will be blue or orange, correct? But its still the same fire? You are made of fire. But perhaps you dont even realize it. You are fire. You are Spirit - yet you are not god yet god is within you. You see matter as solid. Because it is the way the energy is manifesting. But energy all is essentially the same. The computer you are typing on is energy but is the same energy as a pencil for example. There is really no difference. You are a god. But people see your persona. Your body is the per -son (per sound) that carries the sound of your godself.
"In Ancient Egypt, the words of Ra, revealed through Tehuti became the things and creatures of this world, i.e. the words (meaning sound waves) created the forms in the universe. " (god thinks you up)
Its only a vehicle. Its not the energy that is essentially your god self. When you and if you study Kemetic religion this will be very clear to you. We are the elements earth, water, air, fire, and ether(spirit) .
The Universe is the elements earth (geb), water(nut), air(tefnut/shu), fire(ra),
You are elements earth, water, air, fire, and ether(spirit)
God is elements earth, water, air, fire, and ether(spirit)
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Re: Beginnings: The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:42 PM
Amen epicts and corresponds to the state of God and of existence before the creation of the thingly, phenomenal world.
In the Kamitic tradition, this aspect of God was known variously as Amen, Atum, Aten, Nu, Nand Nut.
Amen
theafrican.com/Magazine/Cosmo.htm
Zero (AMEN) the Crown that sits about the Tree
Amen means “concealed”. It is the Kamitic counterpart of the term “Subjective”.
It corresponds to the essential nature of the Supreme, which is the same as the essence of Man’s inner being. It is our unmanifested, unmanifestable, unconditioned Self – That which is the ultimate source of life and consciousness. It is the unseen and unseeable that looks out into the Objective Realm of spirits, thoughts, feelings, and physical phenomena.
We must return our focus of consciousness back to it by the cessation of all thought activity. Once we have established this innermost point as our place of being – i.e., living beyond purely physical influences – we will attain to the state of Hetep.
This is a state in which we are able to fully accept all dualities that may rise into our awareness, and thus attain to a peace that cannot be disturbed by any challenge in life. In the Hindu tradition it is called Parabrahm Sarvikalpa Nirvana. This state of inner peace is the prime foundation for the functioning of the healing functions of the life-force (Ra), and is the source of all spiritual power.’
The essential state of God or of existence before creation is of an undifferentiated Potential -- the primordial mist. There are two dual principles which characterize the Amen: One is the principle of Mind, the other is the principle of Matter. The principle of Mind is itself dualized into Consciousness and Will. Consciousness represents the passive polarity, and Will the active polarity, of the same essential quality. The principle of Matter may be seen as a continuum, which may more properly be called Energy/Matter, because "matter" in the strict sense is but one extreme of that continuum, being "energy-slowed-down."
Implicit in that notion is the fact known to Western science at least since Einstein, namely that energy and matter are mutually transmutable. As reflected at Sphere 0 above the Tree, the essential quality of Mind is a state of bliss, peace, hetep, the Kamitic word for a state of unshakable inner peace. The essential quality of Matter, at Sphere 0, in the state of Amen, is that of pure Potential, which means there is as yet no motion,
[Note: The Hindu word nirvana also characterizes the state of Amen, and means, literally, "no motion" (nir = "no" + vana = "motion").] no vibration, no "things", therefore no space, and no time.
There is also no light, since light is a vibration, and there is no motion.
Mind/Matter Duality. Parenthetically, and somewhat paradoxically, the energy/matter continuum (i.e. the Matter principle) properly includes Spirit. In the grand dichotomy between Mind and Matter, Spirit falls under the category of Matter rather than of Mind. Spirit is fundamentally energy, and the medium through which Mind expresses itself. Since individuated spirits also are associated with individuated Mind (Consciousness/Will), loose usage of the term "spirit" sometimes, indeed usually, refers also to Mind.
Strictly speaking, however, spirit is energy, and thus distinct from Consciousness/Will (hence Mind) which may in various senses manipulate spirit. It follows from this schema, that the grand dichotomy here called that between Mind and Matter, could also properly have been rendered as the dichotomy between Mind and Spirit, for matter, too, as "energy-slowed-down," is but a form of spirit. But such a usage would do too much violence to the common understanding of these matters, and the usage that goes with it. In common usage, we speak of body, mind, and spirit as all being distinct, certainly to the best of the ability of our senses to perceive these distinctions.
At the same time, we use the term "spirit" as a common noun to refer to individuated "souls" that have given up the body, but which retain as an essential attribute the attribute of Consciousness/Will, or Mind. Given the potential for ambiguity, I stick with Mind/Matter as being the fundamental dichotomy, but with the clear understanding that Spirit, qua energy, falls under the category Matter. The concept of soul, in relation to that of spirit, is a tricky one, and will be addressed later on, in the context where it is most easily explained.
The peace of hetep is an "inner" peace, because it is a state that is considered still to lie somewhere within Man. It is not to be found in the material (energy/matter) principle of the universe, rather in the mind principle. Therefore it lies within. It is an aspect of existence that is inherently indivisible: when you get to "it," there is nowhere further to "go."
Democritus imperfectly understood this Kamitic concept of "Atum," and sought to apply it to matter. It is from this misconception that Western science found its way to the notion of the atom, as being the smallest indivisible particle of a substance. No sooner was the atom discovered, however, it turned out that it contained yet smaller constituent particles of stuff. There is apparently no end to the proliferation of yet smaller sub-atomic particles. Kamitic spiritual science confidently predicts that the fundamental building block -- in a delicious irony of metaphor -- of matter, is not matter at all, but the energy polarity of the energy/matter principle.
The wave/particle duality of photons, and of sub-atomic particles, is a manifestation of the energy/matter principle, namely that energy and matter are mutually transmutable. Be that as it may, the state of hetep, in terms of the mind aspect of Being, is the ultimate state of pure inner peace. In terms of the matter aspect of Being, it is the ultimate state of pure, quiescent, energy-as-potential. Both, together -- quiescent mind, and quiescent matter (energy, really) -- constitute the Kamitic concept of the Creator before creation.
This is Amen, and the Source from which all comes. It is also, in the Kamitic spiritual science, the true nature of the hidden God within, which is essentially unconditioned, and which cannot be upset by externals. It is represented at Sphere 0 above the Tree of Life.
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Re: Beginnings: The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 8:54 PMHave fun 'y'all.
Thought I knew a bit about this stuff, apparently not.
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Re: Beginnings: The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:43 PM
What colors make black?
We get colors by absorbing some of the colors
in white light and reflecting others. Green ink
looks green because it reflects the green part
of white light and absorbs all the other colors.
Red ink looks red because it reflects red light
and absorbs all the other colors. When you mix
green, red, blue, and yellow ink, each ink that
you add absorbs more light. That leaves less
light to reflect to your eye. Since the mixture
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:51 PM"Color is the suffering of Light." - Goethe -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:31 AM
then they would have no rhythm...
it is within man who suffers, not light - dog star
One of the fundamental truths about color that's important to understand is that color is something we humans impose on the world. The world isn't colored; we just see it that way. A reasonable working definition of color is that it's our human response to different wavelengths of light. The color isn't really in the light: We create the color as a response to that light, just as we create the sensation of pain when struck by an object. The color brown is no more inherent to a given pebble, say, than is the pain we might feel if that pebble struck us solidly in the forehead.
Color is created by the interaction of three elements -- an illuminant (a light source), an object, and an observer (the person who experiences the color). We'll talk more about the observer in a minute; for now it's most important to understand the relationship between the light source and the object.
Out of the many vibrations reaching the earth
color picture painted in the image of his master. Although normally associated with the Seventh Ray all things rise of the Divine Installment
The rays can be perceived through colour or sound (MUSIC). The seven colours and sounds of the rays provide a more intuitive approach to understanding. For instance, Ray 7 corresponds to the note of G and the colour violet, depending upon which octaves are being used.
because black makes a photograph’s colors appear more vivid by contrast.
“Color is all. When color is right, form is right. Color is everything, color is vibration like music; everything is vibration.” — Marc Chagall -
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more truths to juggle
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:40 AM"Imagination death precedes death of the soul." -- Anonymous
"The border between the Real and the Unreal is not fixed, but just marks the last place where rival gangs of shamans fought each other to a standstill." -- Robert Anton Wilson
"It's better not to know so much about what things mean or how they might be interpreted or you'll be too afraid to let things keep happening. Psychology destroys the mystery, that potential for a vast, infinite experience." -- David Lynch
"Life is a mystery to be lived and not a problem to be figured out." -- WB Yeats
Existence itself may be considered an abyss possessed of no meaning. I do not read this as a pessimistic statement but a declaration of autonomy for my imagination & will and their most beautiful act of bestowing meaning upon existence itself." -- Hakim Bey -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:27 AM
The house of heaven is the house of man. No walls stand between heaven and earth.
Hell of my creed consist in that natural Nemesis which follows on broken laws, and dogs the law breaker, in spite of any of his beliefs
There is Intelligence involved in all that is intelligible. All who break the laws of nature do so under penalty of punishment. They learn sooner or later that there is a law-maker, whose ministers and agencies will dog the law-breaker; however we may deny the law-maker, we cannot evade the law!
Only we claim to have scientific grounds for knowing. A crude materialistic interpretation of the Universe bottoms nothing. There is eternal motion; there is eternal life. There is a being beyond appearance. There is a Consciousness that co-ordinates the means to attain the ends, with power to turn to account all that occurs in the sphere of so-called human Free-Will.
Nature knows nothing of the forgiveness for sin. She has no rewards or punishments--nothing but causes and consequences.
But, nature is not of this intelligence … the soul only grows and learns through nature and that is why we are here...yes, each and everyone of you has a purpose, a soul purpose, if you will... it’s your own hero’s (Heru's) journey.
Of fire returning to fire, he can not be turned away, unless a man extinguishes his light himself, unless he casts out god. If he casts out god, he shall die he is dead. He shall be nothing, will be nothing, is not, and will have been nothing. He shall never have existed.(66)
We are like Heru. We are children of Ausar. We are light defying darkness. darkness defying light. He was twice born: once of sky, once of his mother; that is once of spirit and once of matter. Having fought cunning and deceit, he came at last to the house of Ausar (tree of Life) and was uplifted to heaven.The sun and moon became his eyes. He was light giving light, he was dark with acceptance and compassion.
Only we claim to have scientific grounds for knowing.
A crude materialistic interpretation of the Universe bottoms nothing. There is eternal motion; there is eternal life. There is a being beyond appearance. There is a Consciousness that co-ordinates the means to attain the ends, with power to turn to account all that occurs in the sphere of so-called human Free-Will.
False Astrology (And i hold Sherpa personally responsible) and Spiritualism merely begets a craze after another life or a projection of the future and past. But a true Astrology and Spiritualism will turn our attention to this life, in the present - and help on the work of this world.
Kmt enables us to call in the new world in our rectification and adjustment of the wrong done in the old--somewhat like calling in troops from the new world of the Colonies to fight the battle of England in the old. It has come to quicken a keener conscience in the human race; set up a loftier ideal of life and a nobler standard of appeal than fear of punishment and hope of reward.
For me, KMT means an aid in the certain overthrow of all false dogmas and lying legends, which have been imposed upon women men, and are still imposed upon the children, in the name of God. Science has been driving in its splitting wedge with a mighty ripping and rending of the ancient beliefs.
But with KMT the wedge is alive, and takes root just as the seed of the Indian Bo-tree is so vital that when it is sown singly in the cleft of some lofty tower or fortress, and a drop of moisture and a smile of sunshine have caused it to quicken, it will shoot out and lay hold of the stone with its feelers and strike root to make its way down the walls to the earth outside, and laying hold of this it gathers strength and grows mightily, and sends back such force to its birth-place that the walls are rent, and the temporary resting-place betwixt earth and heaven is shattered in favour of the newer rootage and firmer foothold upon this more nutritious and life-giving ground.
So will KMT lay hold of the larger substance of reality, and inevitably rend the barren stone walls of the Establishments into fragments, minute enough to be ground down into the new fresh soil in which it is destined to flourish and bear fruit in the freer, larger, loftier life of a nobler human race!
Excerpts of "seed of the Indian Bo-tree" from: THE COMING RELIGION
by Gerald Massey
www.theosophical.ca/ComingReligion.htm
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Re: Beginnings: The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:26 AMAre you an authority on science or spirituality?
Do you have any evidence to support your claims?
Are you aware that most people on tribe are probably slightly hip to the implications that science holds for our understanding of consciousness?
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:05 AM"What is the point of this post?"
It's an proselytising advertisement. Join and see the Truth.
Took a little longer than usual to pick up on that. . . . .
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:22 AM"What is the point of this thread?"
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:55 AM"troll fodder from the realms of flotsom and jetsom"
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:44 AM
"troll fodder from the realms of flotsom and jetsom"
>I don't understand what you mean?<
Sherpa is jealous of me because i challenge him on Astrology and the Jewish whitewash and the world's best kept secret;
Shhh...these people are not even the real Jews, the real Jews are from Ethiopia, and a black race - the Black Hebrews
“Zionism is not Judaism, and the rejection of Israel is not anti-Semitic.”
Zionist have used the propaganda of the Jews as a shield, as they take over the regions of world wealth, of black mans gold (oil and diamonds) and all natural resources, as they take over our culture and religion.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:56 AMGodStar
re: "Sherpa is jealous of me because i challenge him on Astrology and the Jewish whitewash and the world's best kept secret; "
I have never perceived any challenge from you about Astrology, only this assumption. Personally, I do not find your information worthy of challenge. However, I do challenge and question your presentation which I find bombastic and offensive. I accept that you are a very perceptive person with great research facilities but regretfully, the fruits of your labors rot in the fields when nobody picks them up and eats them. The smell of rot is just too pungent for the human palate. Think on this.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:58 AM"Love requires no explanation; Love Is."
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:02 PMre: "Love requires an explanation. I wonder if love is natural or a product of human socialization."
Love is what you are.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 2:52 PMWhich is it for you Remi? Is love natural, or a socialization?
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:35 PM"Love requires an explanation. I wonder if love is natural or a product of human socialization."
Love is eternal - true love.
Not be confused with what we normally call "Love" and the love that Remi is likely referirng to.
"Human love", like "Human (everything else)" has the taint of limitation, causality, beginnings and ends - fear - selfishness - "human arrogance", and thus is an abomination of its original source - the true, eternal love that is its origin - that is your origin.
The same could be said for everything unless transformed and purified / clarified in the fires of truth.
As even in this question, most humans assume they have invented everything.
Most things that are products of human socialization are negative in nature. Yet this negativity, these laws, are necessary for us at this stage and in this world. They are not bad but they are also not truthful ULTIMATELY. The laws of the material world give us structure to act, yet the lawlessness of the soul is always ready to liberate and obliterate the logic and order of our slumber.
Don't confuse human constructs for cosmic ones.
Human love, Human power, Human wisdom, etc are poor substitutes for their divine origins.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 6:01 PMI like what the Jefferson Starship song "Miracles" said: I know that love is the answer, keeps holding this world together.
youtube.com/watch
1 John 4:8
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
The love of God holds it together.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 6:41 PMLove is finding the divine within the human and the human within the divine -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:19 PM"Love is finding the divine within the human and the human within the divine"
True.
Sort of.
That requires we purify and transform what it is we are calling a "human".
And.
It is not just finding love in "humans" - again the arrogance - as if humans are the only thing relevant.
I would contend that "Love" in this sense - the eternal sense - is finding the divine in all of creation, not just things with faces that talk to us or talk back to us. It is this arrogance that justifies the systematic torture and abuse of animals for food - the destruction of the planet and many other "human" things.
Human beings are not the most important thing that has ever happened to Earth.. Hell, being a human is not even the most important thing that has happened to our souls.
but it is a great gift - a body with consciousness - and a marvelous chance to learn.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:58 PM"Which is it for you Remi? Is love natural, or a socialization?"
Socialization.
I think that most things that we are taught in this society is a product of socialization; from romantic love, to how we should celebrate sex. Sex is a biological act but it is influenced by social factors such as religion. Love, on the other hand, is a social product. It is behaviors that we were taught by our parents, and communities.
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Re: Beginnings: The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:36 PM
Sherpa,
"Think on this."
I have a higher authority, your opinion means nothing ..."bombastic" yeah I AM "strong force"
but its only to reveal your ego -
I am far from perfect and have given up the illusion of being perfect or the Ego Identification of being "this" or "that"
Deaf ears? I have over 3,000 member and consult each day with hundreds
i need not you nor this joke tribe... if i unsettle you then good
"In the heat of the day I seek shadows. At night I
praise the light of stars.The moon grows legs and
wanders through an young man's heart seeking some dark
corner to inspire. At midday the god walks through town
invisible as cats. Only children and wise old men know
the difference." - Awakening Ausar -
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a strong smell of sulphur in the room
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:42 PMre: "I have a higher authority, your opinion means nothing ..."bombastic" yeah I AM "strong force" but its only to reveal your ego - "
Since my opinion means nothing to you, I am free to comment on the strong force of your stench.
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Re: a strong smell of sulphur in the room
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:44 AMSherpa wrote:
"Love is finding the divine within the human and the human within the divine"
Then he wrote:
"Since my opinion means nothing to you, I am free to comment on the strong force of your stench. "
Sherpa,
With all due respect, you words of divine love ring very hollow.
Is GodStar also not a divine human, worthy of a better attempt for you to practice what you are preaching?
I agree that his presentation is bombastic etc. - I have seen him here before, but your hostility toward him is yours and a choice you are making. Totally Your Stuff.
This hypocrisy is typical of human beings in general. Concepts are easy to espouse and hard to practice. In this very thread you cut him down mercilessly in one sentence then talk of what "Love" is in the next.
What enrages you so much about him that you defile the Love that YOU are and that He is ?
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Re: a strong smell of sulphur in the room
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:04 AM<snort>
I'll tell you what enrages me. Stuff like this:
"What enrages you so much about him that you defile the Love that YOU are and that He is ?
Think on this."
Gag me with a shovel.
GodStar, it's really much more effective to just get your points across...without all the spiritual ego static. I would say that's what "God" really wants from you...not all this blustery, "I Am Ultimate" bullshit.
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Re: a strong smell of sulphur in the room
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:42 AMre: "Sherpa, With all due respect, you words of divine love ring very hollow. "
hahaha. the quote "Love is finding the divine in the human and the human in the divine" is not mine but from the Sufi master Pir Valayat Khan. If you find it hollow, Sam Geppi, perhaps it reflects your own hollow man nature.
contrary to your assumption, i was not and am not enraged with GodStar. i see him as a very perceptive person with great research facilitiers (as I already mentioned) . i merely found his presentation offensive, his style; that's all. I have said as much about your style, too. GodStar is intelligent enough to not take it personally. I don't know why you bothered to step in and defend him with this counterattack. You already know I don't take you seriously.
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Re: a strong smell of sulphur in the room
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 12:15 PM"If you find it hollow, Sam Geppi, perhaps it reflects your own hollow man nature."
I don't find the words themselves hollow, but you stating them as if you agree with them and then violating their intention over and over is pretty hollow.
BTW - I didn't say YOU were the author.
As always you respond defensively to me and without sincerity as you now claim you "merely found his presentation offensive, his style; that's all."
Go back and read your words Antero Alli (since you want use real names). Your contempt with GodStar is obvious and all over this thread and hardly expresses "loving the divine in the human", etc. Your little caveats to him about being a good researcher or whatever are just hollow justifications at fairness. They fool no one, especially in contrast to things like this:
"I smell a pungent narcissism festering behind an elaborate mask of grandoise spirituality. I hear a lonely, hollow howling at the moon for attention from anyone not paying attention to the scam beneath the soapbox he is standing on. I see someone dangerously starved for the warmth of human touch by mistakenly turning LOVE into an abstract principle that explains everything about everything."
You could take me pointing this out to you in many ways, but you choose a typical public reaction.. "Gotta Win, Gotta Win, Gotta Win"
Anyway, I have a lot to do,.. be well brother.
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Re: a strong smell of sulphur in the room
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 12:55 PMSam Geppi
re: "As always you respond defensively to me "
...only when attacked and then, only sometimes. Are you done with me yet, Geppi ?
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