Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

topic posted Wed, August 19, 2009 - 9:59 AM by  Aminah
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I have a Libra/Scorpio Conjunction. Okay, here it goes! LOL! Sun conjunct Mars, Mars conjunct Mercury, Mercury conjunct Ascendant, Ascendant conjunct Pluto. My Mercury, Mars, Pluto, and Ascendant all in scorpio. Plus, i'm born on Oct 22, so techincally i'm a cusp, my Sun is in libra at 28.33 degrees. This explains why i always felt like exactly both signs! Is this common? Any input from fellow Librascorpions is totally cool, too! ;)
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  • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

    Wed, August 19, 2009 - 3:42 PM
    Hi,
    Don't know about the Libra bit, but I haveV Venus, Mars, Jupiter in Scorpio conjuncting in my 3rd, plus Venus, and Jupiter are conjuncting Neptune in Sag in my 3rd aswell.
    • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

      Thu, August 20, 2009 - 1:47 AM
      I'm a total libra scorpio, you are more heavily balanced toward scorpio, really. It sounds like. Where is your moon?
      • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

        Thu, August 20, 2009 - 4:32 AM
        My moon is in Aries. What a mix, huh? :) This Stellium expains so much, because at this point in my life i feel very Scorpionic. I do identify with some Libran characteristics, but it's more on superficial level. I think my Scorpio qualites go a little deeper. I know that Mercury strengthens the power of Mars, so being that they are both in Scorpio, it's like a Scorpio super-planet! Libra is one of the more weak Sun signs (I don't mean in personality, but in staying power in a placement), and because of this Stellium, Scorpio overpowers my Libra Sun. Plus, i don't have any other Libra placements in my chart strengthening my Libra Sun. In some ways, i think i'm more Scorpio than someone who has only a Scorpio Sun and no other Scorpio placements. People place too much importance on the Sun, for some people it doesn't have as much signifigance as other placements.
        • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

          Thu, August 20, 2009 - 6:10 AM
          I read years ago, that Scorpio planets modified by Libra or Sagittarius are more refined.

          I am a Capricorn Sun. Capricorn can be controlling. My Moon in Pisces is in good aspect to all my Scorpio planets. Otherwise, i really would be up up the creek without a paddle.
          • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

            Thu, August 20, 2009 - 7:59 AM
            Oh, i'm so un-refined! :) I think maybe because i'm so full of Scorp, the Libra just gets washed away. My Aries moon just adds insult to injury, in a way. I'm crazy like a Scorpio for sure, and then add the Aries, i'm a handful, alright! :)
            • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

              Thu, August 20, 2009 - 1:09 PM
              haha!!! Dont you just love being you ; ) .... Im full of scorp too. (rising,sun, venus/pluto, saturn) my moon and mars are in libra. I wouldnt say you were "un-refined" either, because of the scorpio anyway. Let the libra in you balance all those emotions. *u kno what I mean girl.
              The aries/libra thing is whats wild lol.
              • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

                Thu, August 20, 2009 - 7:33 PM
                I'm a Libra/Scorpio with a 12th house Libra Sun at 25.22 (Oct 19) so I'm on the cusp and have an oscured Sun in the 12th. As if Scorpio couldn't eclipse Libra anyway. My Mars is at 28.44 Libra. My Asc is in Scorpio at 00.00. My Neptune is at 6.16 and my Mercury at 15.09 Scorpio. So I have a big stellium of Sun, Mars, Asc and Neptune crossing Libra and Scorpio. My Moon is in Taurus at 26.52 in the 7th house so on the cusp of the 8th (which actually is a better reading for me) and it's squared my Pluto so it's very Plutonic in addition to being on the edge of the 8th house. My NN is in Libra in the 11th house (a very Libran place to be) and I really should be helped out by my Venus which is also in my 11th house, but my Venus is conj my Pluto so Libra's ruling sign is overshadowed by Pluto, Scorpio's ruling sign. And then there's my SN in Aries in the 5th house.

                So, I'm a kinder, gentler version of my full blown dark Scorpio mother, but that's about it. I do tend to analyze everything, but I'm very black and white. Once I decide (which doesn't take all that long), that's it. I won't care whose feelings are hurt or even what the feelings are (including my own) - I'll just state my decision and that's it. I might be logical, but I am very extreme and often intolerant. If someone is playing smoke and mirrors, especially with themselves, I'll smash the mirror and blow out the candle. I'll make them look at the hideous truth no matter what. To me if they get mad that's their own stupidity. And I never think a lie, even a white lie to yourself, is being nice. I actually think it's being deliberately nasty (a VERY unLibran thing). I don't see the truth as ugly and want to avoid it, I see the lying as ugly and intolerable. I don't even get why feelings have anything to do with it. Nor do I care to get it.

                But honestly, the Cusp and Libra Sun/Rising Scorpio descriptions suit me better than either Libra or Scorpio. I'm a mixture. I think the extremeness of my Scorpio just hides that. At work I will negotiate for a solution, market my ideas for consensus and stand up for the underdog. I'm very much about fair treatment. I'm a big thinker at work. I may not trust anyone I see telling even white lies, but I can work with them because I separate that. So at work I am the most Libra, I think.

                Outside of work I'm very reclusive like a Scorpio and socializing is nothing but pain for me. In fact, interacting with people at all is nothing but painful and tiring for me. I'd rather stick forks in my eyes. I love my solitude and usually only want a few trusted people around me (and then one at a time). I'm not at all a social Libra. I'm also no flirt. I never get flirting when someone flirts with me. I'm way too serious for that.

                And sex? That has nothing to do with romance to me. It's separate. It can be great for me even if it isn't romantic. If I have a romantic relationship and the sex is great, that's fantastic, but if the sex sucks there is NO relationship for me. There's no getting past that. It would be over. That's probably my Scorpio/Pluto and my Aries SN. I just know that I'm very cut and dried about that.

                The ways I'm not very Scorpio is that I'm not jealous or possessive. If someone isn't faithful then I'm not interested in them. They aren't even worth having an argument with at that point (for me). They are just worthless and I no longer desire to have any contact with them. I'm even like that if I see it in other people I know. If they turn on someone that close to them, I consider them untrustworthy and useless. As for possessiveness I just don't see the point. They either want to be with me or not. If they don't, that's their decision. The only thing I tend to get possessive over is knowledge. If someone knows something I find interesting, I will want to be around them all the time until I feel I know what they know about that subject. Then I might never even see them again (if we don't actually have things in common). But I never sit around wondering if a guy with me is faithful or whatever. He either is or he's a liar. If he's a liar I no longer care. It's that simple. No point in being possessive that I can see.

                Temperwise I am a Scorpio. If someone flips my Scorpio switch they will get the crap stung out of them with no warning at all. If someone trips my injustice trigger it's the same thing. Even if I hate the person to whom they are unjust, I will sting them within an inch of their lives. I don't even think about it. That's a totally raw reaction.

                I also love to burn or strip away everything and start completely over. I love change. I am very Plutonic that way.
                • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

                  Thu, August 20, 2009 - 10:21 PM
                  I have most of your standard Scorpio characteristics, i'm very controlling, jealous, and possessive. But my vengeful nature has to top all that. See, my Pluto is in Scorpio, and conjuncts my Ascendant, in fact it's a part of my stellium, so you think i would like change, huh? Wrong! I hate change, and this is how i'm more ruled by the fixed nature of Scorpio. I'm so stubborn! :) You know, i wish the Libra in me could "balance" out all the scorp, but i just don't have enough. My lonely Sun, with no other Libra placements to back it up, just gets overpowered by the Scorpio. But i think it's not so much the number of Scorpio placements, but the kind of placements. Mars, Pluto, Mercury, AND Ascendant, it's too much sometimes. The only thing that is un-Scorpio like for me is the fact that i'm not very sexual. I don't even like being hugged, so for me to have sex with someone, i really have to trust them, and i MUST be in love with them. I'm just too introverted for FWB, sex is VERY personal to me. I hate socializing as well, and i don't flirt with guys at all. I'm a reclose to the max, and i have all types of weird scorpio tendancies, i'm so obsessive and paranoid, it's riduculous. I'm very intense emotionally, and i get sooo passionate about everything! I know my Mars is the culprit for that, and my Aries Moon doesn't help. Scorpio makes me very black and white, intense and extreme, but my Aries Moon makes me a rule breaker, and very "Rebellious". Sometimes i wish i at least had my Mars in Libra, so it could give my Libra Sun more power. Why are Libra suns so goddamn weak?!

                  You know Zanne, you come off more like a Taurus/Scorpio cusp, if that's even possible!
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                    Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

                    Sat, August 22, 2009 - 2:06 AM
                    Hi Aminah,

                    My names Isaac

                    My Scorpio placements are Venus, sun, moon, 9th house, mars and merucy in 8th house. My Libra placements are 8th house uranus at 29 deg Libra, and 7th/8th house pluto at 8 deg Libra.... this is my chart images.tribe.net/tribe/upl...7d8c5bb02f

                    you said

                    ""The only thing that is un-Scorpio like for me is the fact that i'm not very sexual. I don't even like being hugged, so for me to have sex with someone, i really have to trust them, and i MUST be in love with them. I'm just too introverted for FWB, sex is VERY personal to me. I hate socializing as well, and i don't flirt with guys at all. I'm a reclose to the max, and i have all types of weird scorpio tendancies, i'm so obsessive and paranoid, it's ridiculous. I'm very intense emotionally, and i get sooo passionate about everything!""

                    I can relate to most everything you write here except not being very sexual. I don't think that very unusual considering how you describe your intimacy needs and also your age. I also think many human cultures have dysfunctional and warped beliefs and expressions of human sexuality. These less than ideal expression/repressions of human sexuality dominate the social/cultural/religious landscape.... What you are describing are high standards, a need for trust, rapport, resonance, respect.... All good things if you ask me, at least that's what I'm projecting onto what you wrote.

                    I have very similar needs when it comes to physical/sexual intimacy. Maybe it's my 7th/8th house pluto in Libra, but I also think it's highly influenced by the Scorpio Venus, sun, moon conjunction in the 9th house. This stelium is also square to my mean lilith, at 20 deg aquarius conjunct my Ascendantt at 19 or 20 deg aquarius. I also have 5th house Saturn in cancer trine my venus, sun, moon conjunction. I think is also related to my discriminating needs when it comes to opening myself up. It's all interconnected....

                    It took me years to learn to love and embrace change. It a process, but one that is much easier when you consciously flow with it. It's something that accumulates with age and experience I think.

                    I also relate to what you say about the intensity of so much Scorpio being to much sometimes, but I have also learned to flow with it over time, primarily through accepting myself, being myself and living for myself (and community). I follow my heart and do what feels right, within a framework that respects others and my community.
                    • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

                      Sat, August 22, 2009 - 3:35 AM
                      Wow. that's a lot of Scorpio, Isaac. I do have issues with being open, in fact no matter how social i come off as, i'm a very closed person. See, my main issue with sex is this: Another person is so close to you, that they're inside of you, and for me that's a little too close for comfort. So to me if sex isn't personal, then i don't know what is. This is why i have to have a strong emotional connection with someone BEFORE i have sex with them, and they need to feel the same way about me. I will be honest, it probably would take me a very long time before i could come out of myself enough to have sex. Plus, i MUST trust this person, and i don't give out my trust quickly or easily. Needless to say, sex is something i take very seriously. Well, i take everything seriously! About change, yeah, i really hate it. Even down to the smallest things, like sunrise. Or when Youtube changes the look of the site (For the hundreth time), or even watching myself change from teen to adult. I'm very stubborn, and i don't go with the flow easily. This is not on purpose, of course, but when i decide on a position on something, i don't budge. That's just how i am.
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                        Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

                        Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:09 PM
                        Hey Aminah, that's a crazy configuration you have. I can identify with you about sex... maybe because I have Mars in the 8th house (quintile Pluto, if that means anything). I'll only let people I respect touch me in any way, honestly. It's lead to some tense situations, and sometimes funny ones, because I come off as social and friendly like I might enjoy being hugged by acquaintances or something. I'm most comfortable in relationships (with men or women) where hugging etc. isn't expected. They've lasted the longest anyway lol. I haven't had sex either because I can't trust anyone enough to, but it sounds like you're accepting of this in yourself, and I've accepted it too. Doesn't really bother me. I've read that while Scorpios can be very sexual, they are also the most determined when celibate, as well. They can channel that energy into other things. Even though I have no Scorpio placements, with all my Cap planets aspecting Pluto and mars in the 8th house, I tend to show that mentality I guess.

                        Are you comfortable being a recluse? I have those tendencies as well, and sometimes I worry that I'm going to shoot myself in the foot and find myself alone because I don't actually enjoy socializing and it's more like a chore most of the time. I wonder if that is wrong to feel that way.

                        Do you find yourself befriending Libras very much to balance your stellium?
                        • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

                          Wed, November 4, 2009 - 10:54 AM
                          "Are you comfortable being a recluse? I have those tendencies as well, and sometimes I worry that I'm going to shoot myself in the foot and find myself alone because I don't actually enjoy socializing and it's more like a chore most of the time. I wonder if that is wrong to feel that way.

                          Do you find yourself befriending Libras very much to balance your stellium? "

                          HI!

                          Well, i do feel VERY comfortable being a recluse. Although, i do know it stops me from being "Productive" in certain ways, and the more i separate myself, the less i'm able to stand being around people i don't like. But, at the same time, those feelings haven't changed my behavior, and my lazy disposition helps! :) Plus, i'm never afraid of loneiness, because i'm such a solitary creature naturally. I'm a type of person that i don't feel emotionally fulilled by socializing, like most Librans, but i feel emotionally drained. It takes a lot out of me, and i don't know how to deal with more than one personality at a time. Once i'm forced to, i start feeling drained, and it's not fun in the least.

                          When it comes to other Librans, i haven't had great experiences with other libran females. As a young kid, i was quite "Typical" as a Libra, and i was quite the "People Pleaser" I've never been selfish, and my Libran friend played on that. She expected soooo much out of me, and i gave it to her, because i hated to dissapoint. But at the same time, she was never willing to give all of that back to me in return, and i slowly began to resent her for that. I was sucked dry emotionally, and it took me way too long to cut her loose, because it was hard for me to deal with the idea of being without a friend.

                          At this point, i've changed a lot as a person, and i would "Prefer" to have libran friends with Scorpio tendancies like me, i think it might work out better. I'll feel less annoyed, because they won't expect me to be a social butterfly! :)
                          • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

                            Wed, November 4, 2009 - 11:01 AM
                            Aminah

                            From what I can tell you've only really one planet in Libra - the Sun. The stellium really occurs through Scorpio.
                            The planets where they are would suggest that they pack quite the scorpio punch.

                            Normally you would say that an over abundance in one place means a deficit somewhere else. I notice you've got a pretty good balance of elements with the exception of Fire, only one planet in fire - the Moon. Interesting the Moon is also the handle of your bucket chart which puts a lot of emphasis on it.
                            If you were to look anywhere for the most 'pressing' part of your chart, I would recommend looking at the moon.
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                              Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

                              Wed, November 4, 2009 - 8:53 PM
                              I've noticed that people with a lot of fire and air tend to absorb energy from others, while water and earth tend to be drained of it. Has anyone else noticed this?
  • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

    Fri, August 21, 2009 - 2:48 PM
    "I have a Libra/Scorpio Conjunction. Okay, here it goes! LOL! Sun conjunct Mars, Mars conjunct Mercury, Mercury conjunct Ascendant, Ascendant conjunct Pluto. My Mercury, Mars, Pluto, and Ascendant all in scorpio. Plus, i'm born on Oct 22, so techincally i'm a cusp, my Sun is in libra at 28.33 degrees. This explains why i always felt like exactly both signs! Is this common? Any input from fellow Librascorpions is totally cool, too! ;) "


    I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm Librascorpion at all, but I do kind of have both energies at work a little in my chart.
  • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 1:10 PM
    sun and moon in libra..
    venus and mercury in scorpio..

    In my experience: you'll have a hard time dealing with both signs in your younger years..
    remember the two signs are mostly like day and night.. libra indecisiveness vs scorpio obsession, emotion vs logic, harmony-seeker vs fighter etc.. different perspectives and all that..

    as time goes by, you learn to deal with that dual nature.. AND to benefit from it..
    you'll be messing with people's mind..
    *ashamedbutnotreally*

    you can switch from charming, enthusiastic bastard to cold, calculating marker..
    love it..
  • Re: Libra/Scorpio Energy Stellium?

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:47 PM
    Pluto, N. Node and Venus in Libra, Sun, Uranus, Mercury, MC in Scorpio. Add the asteroids and POF and they get even more stacked. I was born on election day and sometimes I feel like a natural-born politician... a blend of passion and charm, bluntness and diplomacy. But the bureaucracy of the political world would likely destroy this Aqua rising.

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