You all know it, it's taboo, it's outer space Confidential stuff...the 8th house.
What I'm interested in are the opinions of any one who might be afflicted by this position, especially if you're "fortunate" enough to have such strong placements as myself or strong Pluto aspects, with myself having the Sun and Venus in the 8th house as well as Pluto square ascendant among others.
We all know the house typically deals with:
The physical aspect of sex
Money and resources, especially other people's
The occult, death, transformation and all that is hidden
To be more specific, is the 8th house confusing for most others not affected by it? Does strong emphasis of this placement suggest hardship and many transformations throughout life?
Also, for inquiring minds, my planets, houses, and aspects:
Sun in VIII Virgo Ascendant Capricorn
Moon in IV Taurus II Pisces
Mercury in VII Virgo III Aries
Venus in VIII Libra IV Taurus
Mars in XI Sagittarius V Gemini
Jupiter in XII Capricorn VI Cancer
Saturn in IX Scorpio VII Cancer
Uranus in X Sagittarius VIII Virgo
Neptune in XI Sagittarius IX Libra
Pluto Scorpio Midheaven Scorpio
Lilith Aries XI Sagittarius
Asc node Taurus XII Capricorn
Sun Trine Moon
Sun Square Neptune
Sun Trine Ascendant
Sun Sextile Midheaven
Moon Trine Ascendant
Moon Opposition Midheaven
Mercury Trine Jupiter
Mercury Square Uranus
Mercury Trine Neptune
Venus Sextile Mars
Mars Conjunction Uranus
Jupiter Conjunction Neptune
Jupiter Sextile Pluto
Saturn Conjunction Midheaven
Neptune Sextile Pluto
Pluto Square Ascendant
What I'm interested in are the opinions of any one who might be afflicted by this position, especially if you're "fortunate" enough to have such strong placements as myself or strong Pluto aspects, with myself having the Sun and Venus in the 8th house as well as Pluto square ascendant among others.
We all know the house typically deals with:
The physical aspect of sex
Money and resources, especially other people's
The occult, death, transformation and all that is hidden
To be more specific, is the 8th house confusing for most others not affected by it? Does strong emphasis of this placement suggest hardship and many transformations throughout life?
Also, for inquiring minds, my planets, houses, and aspects:
Sun in VIII Virgo Ascendant Capricorn
Moon in IV Taurus II Pisces
Mercury in VII Virgo III Aries
Venus in VIII Libra IV Taurus
Mars in XI Sagittarius V Gemini
Jupiter in XII Capricorn VI Cancer
Saturn in IX Scorpio VII Cancer
Uranus in X Sagittarius VIII Virgo
Neptune in XI Sagittarius IX Libra
Pluto Scorpio Midheaven Scorpio
Lilith Aries XI Sagittarius
Asc node Taurus XII Capricorn
Sun Trine Moon
Sun Square Neptune
Sun Trine Ascendant
Sun Sextile Midheaven
Moon Trine Ascendant
Moon Opposition Midheaven
Mercury Trine Jupiter
Mercury Square Uranus
Mercury Trine Neptune
Venus Sextile Mars
Mars Conjunction Uranus
Jupiter Conjunction Neptune
Jupiter Sextile Pluto
Saturn Conjunction Midheaven
Neptune Sextile Pluto
Pluto Square Ascendant
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:57 AMThe trouble with many textbook definitions of The 8th House is how biased they have become by the death-ignorant values of the western culture they are rooted in. I think to really grasp the 8th House, you have to grasp the emotional engagement with forces greater than ego and the experience of ego surrender, not as a threat but as an evolutionary imperative, ie., whatever incites growth and development.
This amounts to whatever incites genuine chaos.
I see CHAOS as an evolutionary trigger. Chaotic sex, chaotic rock'n'roll....chaos is an energy; chaos is our friend. Those who fear chaos also tend to fear the 8th House and can easily buy into the cultural taboos around it. This position merely reflects entrenchment in maintaining status quo in their lives through the reliable ruts of their comfort zones (2nd House fixation).
With natal URANUS in your 8th House, Matthew, your experience of self-liberation, autonomy and real freedom probably depend on staying on good terms with the experience of CHAOS. If your South Node is in Scorpio, there may be a karmic lesson here for you about wanting the freedom of others as much as your own. -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:08 PMSherpa, the information he gave is quite confusing, so I can understand where you thought he had Uranus in the 8th. Actually it is his Virgo sun, and Libra Venus which is in the 8th.
My Venus is in the 8th which I consider an excellent location. Instead of all the normal doom and gloom spoken of about the 8th house, like Sherpa spoke about, I would look more to the personality of Scorpio, which rules the 8th, instead for more insight.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:23 PMhey I just want to apologize for the formatting of my houses, I entered it one way, and it came out another not as I intended.
Sherpa, excellent reply:
"Those who fear chaos also tend to fear the 8th House and can easily buy into the cultural taboos around it."
I will come back to your post later as my time is cut short now.
Sirius,
I share your view of Venus in the 8th as a positive, in fact I would say every function of a chart has possibilities, negative and positive, it all just depends on the choices the individual makes and how that individual intends to use and share his talents: to better him/herself and others or to the detriment of.
Seeking a higher existence, through whichever plane, spiritual, intellectual, physical, etc. is the means to the betterment of all...but the means must be examined to come to a realization.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:46 PMI tend to take a very "practical" approach to interpreting, and one thing I can say for sure is that planets in a house color that particular life area. So you, with your Sun and Venus in the 8th tend to have a leonian-taurean mix of influences to 8th house matters, like sex and spiritual transformation.
Maybe it's particularly..compelling and mind-boggling to you, because the Sun is there. The Sun by house shows that area of endless fascination and interest to us. A place of..longing? Well, you get the picture.
The House in which the Sun resides cannot be anything less than "grand" to the individual, since the Sun is "the king" of the chart. So, sex and death and mysteries tend to get blown out of proportion in your mind-they all seem "grand", when it might be that it's all in your head.
I think people with no planets in the 8th simply tend to not give it as much credit or attention as others do.
I don't know where Sherpa got that 8th house-chaos theory from..chart-reading experiences?
Anyway, I have to say that, personally, I have no planets in the 8th (unless you want to count Ceres) and just don't care that much for dark alleys, sex&drugs and "rock'n'roll". I have bigger fish to fry(9th house emphasis..)
And chaos...I think that's a bit too much for lil' 8th house. Maybe control-issues. As in...the things that you can't control and which frighten you, precisely because of this. Chaos is Neptune's thing.
Maybe having Venus there means you are in constant fear of losing your possessions, your sense of worth and value?
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:48 PMP.S. you might wanna also check out transits, because some of them are so lengthy, they almost take on the magnitude of natal positions by house. Especially Pluto and Neptune's transits by house. -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 2:15 PMThe "chaos" that Sherpa was most likely illuding to would probably be due to the fact that the 8th house is Scorpios house and is ruled by Pluto. Many times the transformations that Pluto brings can be seen as explosive or chaotic.
If he was refering to Uranus, then that is the planet of change, mainly unexpected, which can seem to bring chaos to our lives, or to those around us.
Neptune does not deal with chaos, it is closer to harmony and the spirit, being a higher octave of Venus.
I have Venus in the 8th and I do not fear death at all, as a matter of fact, Venus in the 8th is said to bring a peacful death.Possesions mean nothing to me, and I have plenty of self worth. lol
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 2:56 PM"Neptune does not deal with chaos, it is closer to harmony and the spirit, being a higher octave of Venus. "
I'm not buying this whole "higher octave" business-that sounds like some kind of homeopath(et)ic theory of "by boiling the plant severl times, we manage to get out its very essence-its soul". crap.
It's kinda shallow, if you ask me. If you look at it like that, Pluto is like Mars with erectile dysfunctions, and Neptune's like Venus on a diet.-it's demeaning. As if the higher octaves are diluted essences.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:08 PMEver hear the Steve Winwood song "Higher Love"? It's like that my dear. A Neptune influence. So relax, and find your happy spot Mantis. hehe
Maybe your Solar return Venus opposition Saturn is shining through.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:02 PMoh, and, Sirius,
you have a grand trine between your Sun, Saturn and Pluto, an angular 7th house Black Moon Lilith, and a Neptune conjunct AC, with Jupiter in the 1st, so don't you dare blame the lil' 8th house for your lack of fear. -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:12 PMYou may partialy be right Mantis. I do blame especially Neptune/ Asc and Jupiter, being a Pisces rulership affinity. Sun trine Saturn also gives a long life. But the Neptune awakening lets me know with peace where I will be if I was to be taken away today from harrassing you. -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:16 PMLOL
I wouldn't be counting on those 72 virgins if I were you, Sirius... -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:20 PMHa! That is certain muslim idealogy. The spiritul plane isn't about sex.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 2:19 PMre; "lil' 8th house."
huh? that's funny. i don't think so. Mantis, you're fun to disagree with. refer to the many phases of metamorphosis as symbolized by the many creature totems traditionally assigned to the 8th House: spider, scorpion, serpent, vulture, eagle, dove, phoenix (did I miss any?). the 8th house represents great depth, complexity and dynamism differing from the 12th house in several important ways.
I see Netpune and the 12th house representing experiences bringing a more gentle dispersion and dissolution of boundaries towards restoring cosmic unity and commiunion with divinity. a very spiritual place in that internal landscape sort of way. though 8th and 12th houses are related as water houses, the differences between scorpio and pisces can be quite vast. -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 2:47 PMmaybe the only difference here is dynamism, cuz I don't see much else.-the difference between the 8th and 12th, as you've put it.
But Pisces is totally about chaos. I mean, hello-Pisces is the opposite of Virgo. It's a classical case of "letters meet alphabet"-lol.
In the beginning there was chaos..and then God created Virgo.-lol.
Seriously, now aren't Pisces and Virgo usually described as chaos and order? Dunno what Scorpio and Taurus are described as, though...spiritual possessions vs. material possessions?
Maybe Neptune is calmer on the surface, because it's a lot more detached than the ego-driven Pluto.(yes, yes, they're all ego-driven-but some less than others, you must agree)
I have a relatively tranquil waters sort of Neptunian influence in my chart..but still, I thrive on chaos, and nothing makes me feel more comfortable than a total lack of order and control-as long as I would live in a world where nobody else would claim these, though.
I guess Neptune is the "I know" planet(you might add a yawn to that..). It's kinda annoying, but fish always "know". Scorpions don't know, that's why they must struggle to get answers. -I guess that's the main difference.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:58 AM"Seriously, now aren't Pisces and Virgo usually described as chaos and order? Dunno what Scorpio and Taurus are described as, though...spiritual possessions vs. material possessions? "
Don't you think you may be over simplifying a bit? Certain qualities exist in multiple signs. I see both virgo-pisces/taurus-scorpio showing signs of chaos and order. Just like both aries and scorpio show elements of control. Libra and Leo can both be actors. Aquarius and Sagittarius show iconoclastic tendencies.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 7:19 AM
Jeremy, that's more simplifying than what I wrote. Like I said, Pisces, and consequently, the 12th house is the end of all-a kind of review of all that's been. There is no issue of immediate importance left here, other than finding God-I mean, that's what we all feel like doing, when we sense the end coming.
Scorpio and the 8th are more about getting to the bottom of things, of investigating-thus, struggle is the key-word here. It also makes sense when you think that the 8th is preceded by the 7th, house of "romance"-sugar, spice, and everything nice, and followed by the 9th-the house of the objective truth. It's like Scorpio corresponds to that time in life when you're over the pink cloud of romance, and start looking for higher meanings. And since you're stuck with your partner, why not start the investigating with sex?-lol.
Bottom-line, of course each sign and house has a million nuances, but that which best describes a sign is the status-quo-what is the soul's first impulse when it lands on this Earth. And for Pisces, chaos is the status-quo. Pisces doesn't expect anything from life. Lack of order is not an issue.
And the chaos relation is expressed in all the facets of Pisces, therefore it thrives on it. Pisces depends on chaos for inspiration-both in art and science, depends on the apparent chaos to search for God-as the first patterns emerge, Pisces realizes that even chaos is a form of order.
"I see both virgo-pisces/taurus-scorpio showing signs of chaos and order." - you might be thinking of the people you've met, here. Taurus is definitely not the sign to love chaos. For Taurus, life is everything that can be detected through the 5 senses. The rest doesn't exist. And if this non-existing matters starts threatening, Taurus becomes irritated, and starts using reason to fight it off.
"Libra and Leo can both be actors." - true, but not the same status-quo here. Acting is a consequence of what they are. Leo acts to bring out its talents and claim the admiration it's been longing for. For Libra, acting can be a part of the romantic foreplay, destined to attract the one partner it desires.
"I would also see Scorpio as more chaotic than Pisces. Scorpio stirs the waters, Pisces becomes the waters. "
That sounds like the two main sides of Pisces. The key word for Pisces is osmosis. That implies both dissolving and becoming one with what it dissolves. And through the very act of dissolving, Pisces breaks the order, creating chaos.
I have known many Scorpio-touched people, and one thing I have noticed in all of them is the control issue. A Scorpio creating chaos is a frightened Scorpio. One which relishes in chaos, has not yet known real chaos.
PS-I'm talking mainly about the psychological and emotional face of chaos-although it is tightly linked to outside chaos, as well, since we see according to what we are inside.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 2:33 PM"I think that's a bit too much for lil' 8th house. Maybe control-issues. As in...the things that you can't control and which frighten you, --
And definitely fear "the great unknown"-aka death. "
mantis you are wise beyond your years and between your ears.
You are right. 8th house is a bout strengthening our fears. It does not necessarily have to do with chaos unless someone fears chaos - which by the way, most of us do on some level because we can;t control it.
Many things could be related to chaos though which have nothing to do with 8th house energy.
But if there is an 8th house quality there will be a fear of the things we cannot control and an opportunity to strengthen it.
i think to assign chaos as primary to 8th house is not coorect, with due respect to Sherpa - because it is a close call.
Just like I would not (and do not) assign "fear" to 12th house..
We had this discussion before.
So for instance the chaos of 12th house is not scary - chaos of 8th house is.
The difference is fear, facing and strengthening it - 8th house.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:09 PMthanks for the support, Sadasiva
Actually, I do agree that each individual has his/her own definition of fear, but I think in the chart it's being monopolized by Saturn.
Unfortunately, I have no planets in the 12th to help me understand the energy. Nor do I have any in the 8th. But-like I said-sometimes, the fish just "know". -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 4:15 PM"but I think in the chart it's being monopolized by Saturn."
Yes, Saturn is the planet that shows our fears - the 8th house is the place of fear. so, planet tere will be catalysts for strengthening our fears. The 8th house ruler is also an indicator of fear.. equal to Saturn.
House rulerships are very important.
As you have stated that you have a virgo rising, Mars is a likely candidate as your 8th house ruler,.. Of Aries
Things he influences, where he goes in the chart, etc.
In general Aries thing will have terrifying quality to you.. Impulsive rash actions, relentless self-willed drive, etc. - aggression and anger and impatience, etc.
Same holds true for the 12th house, the ruler will show how you dissolve. Virgo has the Sun as 12th house ruler.. dissolving your identity a personal power is easy - how you do it is shown by what the sun influences or is influenced by.
Those who deeply understand astrology use house rulers as equal to or superior than planetary sign/house placement. Also look at traditional rulers in addition to modern rulers.
Mars for scorp
Saturn Aquarius
Jupiter for Pisces
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 6:26 PMWow, its been busy since I've been gone, glad to see I've struck a cell or two.
I think Sherpa's comment on chaos is right on, but I think it was misinterpreted a bit. If transformation is a large part of what this house represents, of which transformation may take on many forms, than in essence that is chaotic. The resurrection from destruction, is chaotic. It's uncertain and unpredictable...chaos. Actually, after scrolling through Sirius said it pretty well:
"Many times the transformations that Pluto brings can be seen as explosive or chaotic."
I did like Matis' reference though:
"Seriously, now aren't Pisces and Virgo usually described as chaos and order?"
But that only describes organization. The 12th house is dreams, fantasy, vision and the unconscious, but most importantly redemption and salvation. The 12th house directs towards acceptance, faith and tranquility, hardly chaotic I must say. I think the fish, flowing up stream is a great illustration of this.
But consider the duality, with which derives illusion and deception, mistrust and addictions. There is the chaos of the 12th.
The difference is the meaning and symbolism. With the 12th house are possibilities, as in any house, but in the 8th house its as if it's a necessity, where transformation as defined above is a path and a lesson the individual must take and learn to evolve. -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:34 PMFear, Chaos, Unknown, The intangible and unplanned, that forever causes change.
Leading to the growth, or expansion of the 9th
If Uranus has to do with sudden change I think this one is a graduating of experiences, But in an Air since, awareness, intellectually, culturally,
I think the 8th has to do with the water side of this, the depth of the heart, spirit.
I think the Chaos theme is the action, Being affected by an energy outside the comfort zone of the 2nd. The fear is a re-action to the sudden Chaos tossing in an intangible, creating change,
Seems like a natural next step of the first 5 houses, first 4 all in service to the 5th, (in a way) Then comes the 6th & 7th of the others, 6th the offering up of self and 7th the gaining from outside self. 7th Opp our Asc.
Now I’m not just myself, but I also experience life w/ others eyes to see with.
Fear, Chaos, Change…
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:44 PMSirius- Venus in 8th here too. Mine is Cancer, and a busy planet too.
I'd love to hear you personal take on it.
Like ever feel like you Really like to jump off into unfamiliar territory?
Move funiture around every year for a change, things like that.
Even though something seems to be working fine,
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:58 PMBeing an 8th houser myself, I agree with what Matthew said that transformation from chaos is a necessity for these people whereas in the 12th house, or in any other houses, there's only a possibility of chaos and being transformed by that.
It's not that we tend to blow the 8th house issues out of proportion or think that it's "grand", It's just more of a focus in our lives, or a path that we constantly have to tread on. The same way a 7th houser would probably focus on partnerships/relatiing with others, a 5th houser would focus on children or creative/romantic pursuits, a 10th houser would focus on career achievements or recognition, a 9th houser would focus on philosophical endeavours, and so on.
The way I see it, the issues of the house that are being highlighted in one's natal chart, are actually treated by the native as something that's no big deal. What I mean by this is I can think and talk about death and sex very casually the way people casually talk about the weather, or what they ate for breakfast. I don't see how others find it a big deal to talk about those topics and actually be surprised that it's being openly talked about. I also don't see why sex on films tend to be controversial and censored while violence is something that's widely accepted( especially in the north american culture). Death is another thing. People tend to stay away from topics dealing with death. The very mention of death is too depressing that they fear it's gonna happen to them by just merely talking about it. Ridiculous.
8th housers never shy away from those so maybe that's why other non- 8th housers think that we blow it out of proportion.
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the truth about chaos
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:36 PMIn case anyone's interested, when I say that chaos acts as an evolutionary trigger I mean transformation occurs as a result of real chaos (as opposed to self-created phony chaos). I also prefer the quantum mechanics view "chaos" as a deeper order than what the ego or intellect or conscious mind is capable of perceiving, ie., what appears to be chaos turns out to be a more profound order than we can currently grasp and this throws us. And some of us like to be thrown more than others. :-)
8th House experience confronts and shocks the ego with a realities greater than it can successfully or easily categorize, pidegonhole and/or otherwise control. 8th House experience opens the door to surrender...and sometimes seduces the conscious ego into releasing its death grip of fear and attachment to severely limited views and ways. The 8th House rocks! -
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Re: the truth about chaos
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:24 AMSherpa,
Thanks for clearing the chaos concept for us. I have no knowledge of physics, let alone quantum physics to really grasp this, but is that similar to what they call the "golden ratio"? The concept that everything, every single object and living things follow a particular ratio and the closer it is to that golden ratio, the more it is perceived as aesthetically pleasing? Therefore, there is order in randomness.. is this even related to the topic of chaos theory? Sorry for the non-astrology related question... I'm just curious.
If an 8th house experience deals with surrendering to this force or like you said, deeper order of things... would you say that someone who has a packed 8th house can deal with this a lot easier than most, or better equipped to deal with things related to the natural order of death and transformation? -
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Re: the truth about chaos
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:53 AMRachel
The golden ratio was developed in the Rennaisance and used by many artists in their pursuit of aesthetic perfection. Chaos theory and quantum physics is much newer and not the same thing. For those who wishing to know more of the goden ratio:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
As for your idea about people with packed 8th Houses being able to deal with death and transformation easier than most others, that's a tough call. You see, just because there are planets in houses does not always mean that the energy dynamics they symbolize have been integrated into the person's daily life. They can be latent and, um, asleep.
My favorite theory about people with packed 8th Houses is that they may be in such great need for transformation in the current life that the Soul manifested an 8th House stellium to make that happen. Maybe in previous lifetimes, their story was more 2nd House defined. Best to look at the position of the South and North Nodes for more specifics. I also tend to look at planetary positions, aspects and signs as reflecting specific conditions the embodying soul requires to evolve.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:39 PMI have Saturn in the 8th house - what a fun combination that is. (but in lighthearted gemini, so yay?). Also, I have Scorpio rising, which I imagine has some influence on the 8th house (or other way around). -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:32 PM8th house sun venus mercury =sun in libra others in scorpio
also sun conj pluto conj moon
I think the 8th house has just as much surrender to it as the 12 also
but differently it's more like I have to surrender to the changes as they come
because it's all happening on really deep levels and I don't control it
I often will not understand until i get to surface from it for a minute and see the
change and then very soon I am sucked back under for more....
(.I think others have this for different reasons, but I'm unsure)
It's more like surrendering to a washing machine or like my first time surfing
less like surrendering to float on a lake
oh and also
I am very scorpio 8 th house etc...
and people often and through my whole life have referred to me with things like
"wild one" (my mother, somewhat surprised at first)
"little ball of chaos" (after a very opening/revealing awesome dance class series at school)
or "I feel like I was just holding lightning"(after spending the night with me)
or "you have effected my world like a hurricane" (in a positive way.....by a different lover)
I used to light my fingernails on fire at school in 8th grade and people's parents called to complain about
my writing esoteric symbols on their mormon children's hands
i cause chaos and it's just me acting naturally
internally everything Im doing that's like that either makes perfect sense
or is part of a much stronger force pulling me (willingly) along with it
all of that relates in me to the chaos factor of that 8th house and pluto stuff
definitely NOT to all the libra....
there is some influence from the Aquarius rising
but mostly, I think, in giving me the freedom to not have to always be held back by
or even conscious of rules that don't make sense in the moment
10-19-1979 4:13 pm Vancouver WA
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:37 AMA few thoughts on the 8th house...
The 8th house is the house of change that is initiated through a weakness or flaw. The 8th house is the house of our vulnerability. There is always an element to our relationships that involves vulnerability, especially when sex is involved. In partnerships we are in a way at the mercy of our partners. When we pool our resources and/or our sexual energy with another, we no longer have total control over those things and that's a scary place. This is why the 8th house shows our fears. It shows the dark, hidden place that we must eventually venture into in order to find our real strength. It is the house that reveals that "fatal flaw" in our life. If we can survive that weakness, we can survive anything.
The 8th house, along with the 4th and 12th, are houses of moksha or spiritual liberation. They show our emotional journey in life and our spiritual path. The 4th house is the house of our emotional foundation, and shows what feels natural to us and makes us happy. The 8th house shows the journey of leaving that place of comfort and safety, like in a hero's quest. The 8th shows the battles and struggles we must endure when we confront our limited egos. The 12th house is the outcome of this battle, where we release our ego and our attachment to the world, either by choice or by necessity.
The 8th house is also known as the house of longevity. This might seem weird, but the 8th house, like the 8th sign of Scorpio, is ultimately about survival. It reveals the weaknesses in our life so that we can overcome them. The reason an 8th house influence can bring an end to things in the chart is because the 8th house reveals how that thing is not working and subsequently that thing falls apart. In this way, the 8th house can be difficult but is also a blessing. The only guarantee is change. When we are ready to give something up and move on, the 8th house will reveal that to us. Immortality means not having attachment to anything that's not eternal.
Because of its connection to things hidden, the 8th house is also about astrology and other esoteric sciences. The 8th house helps us see the underlying energetic that connects things and moves things. The 8th house is also the 12th house from the 9th, so it shows a loss of following the law. In this way it is connected to crime, underground activity, as well as anything that goes against the norm of society, which includes astrology in our culture, as well as sexual deviation, drug use, etc. Astrologers have great company!
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:54 AMInteresting! So, does saturn in the 8th house = fear of fear? Or just a never-ending sense of doom? Sounds familiar in either case.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 7:46 AMHey David Ray,
Excellent synopsis;
"This is why the 8th house shows our fears. It shows the dark, hidden place that we must eventually venture into in order to find our real strength."
I think my fear might be of serious commitment in a relationship, which might be explained by Venus in the 8th house. This is not a new revelation for me, but your perspective certainly clears the fog that has clouded it, eventually I will have to face this fear or I will not grow.
Thanks.
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:42 PMThank you for sharing, Matthew.
I think it helps to see 8th house issues as a hyper-awareness of your own vulnerability. It can be helpful to ask yourself, what weakness am I perceiving within myself that I am afraid to reveal to the world? Sometimes you realize that it's not a weakness after all, but a strength. Or you realize that it's okay to have vulnerabilities and everybody does. Contrary to Pat Benatar, love is not meant to be a battlefield, so why do we feel the need to defend ourselves whenever somebody starts getting close? Questions to ponder on the journey...
Warmly,
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:28 PM"Contrary to Pat Benatar, love is not meant to be a battlefield, so why do we feel the need to defend ourselves whenever somebody starts getting close?"
OK David that's enough.
First you use tropical Zodiac with vedic astrology - now you question Pat Benatar.. will it ever end?! -
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Re: The dreaded 8th House!
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:00 PMPat Benatar probably has Venus in the 8th too. I guess it's a battlefield for some people.. -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 12:36 PMmy Scorpio Venus is retrograde in the 8th house, widely conjunct Neptune ~
Love is a battlefield for me, just the way I like it!
all-ways,
mem
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