Chart Intrepretation - Practice

topic posted Thu, September 3, 2009 - 12:43 AM by  Paul
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Ok so this has been done before but I'm thinking we chould give it a shot again and see if anyone's interested.

The idea is that anyone can interpret anyone elses chart and see how close to the button we can get. It's better done if we don't know a whole lot about the other person, but either way its always fun and can often be interesting or enlightening.
No matter how many times we look at our own charts sometimes a little bit of objectivity from someone else can be refreshing!

Who wants to start?
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    Thu, September 3, 2009 - 1:31 AM
    Someone do mine pls....I'm in love, have been with the same person for 25 years and you all have enough info on me to take a good guess of what I look for in a person (Venus conj jupiter in the 2nd, and if you tell me money I think I'll puke..) You get my interpretation in return ;-)
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      Thu, September 3, 2009 - 1:37 AM
      We did this with each other a while back, varoom, so I will let someone else have a turn with your fascinating chart.
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        Thu, September 3, 2009 - 1:41 AM
        I remember yours Paul, and should you ever recall something you missed the first time, I'm game...Love you're gem mind (how could I not???)
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          Thu, September 3, 2009 - 1:56 AM
          "I remember yours Paul, and should you ever recall something you missed the first time, I'm game...Love you're gem mind (how could I not???)"

          Yeah i've done yours already varoom! I might have another try though and see if I what I say this time is the same as I what I said last time or if I add anything new or miss anything out...
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            Thu, September 3, 2009 - 4:33 AM
            How long are your guys' interps? Mine are way long-winded. It takes me two weeks to analyze a chart.
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              Thu, September 3, 2009 - 4:41 AM
              I just stick to some of the really basics as otherwise you could quite realistically be there all day. I've a mercury-jupiter trine, I could type all day so I really do need to remind myself to limit down what I say.
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                Thu, September 3, 2009 - 11:24 AM
                I would so love it if someone would like to interpret my chart!

                1/22/64 7:29pm Redding, California.
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                  Thu, September 3, 2009 - 11:50 AM
                  I am doing a lot of soul searching right now trying to figure out why I make the choices I do. I would LOVE it if someone could please look at my chart. Its under mypictures..

                  Thanks!
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                    Thu, September 3, 2009 - 2:32 PM
                    Sarah

                    Gonna post in my thoughts on your chart from the other tribe first:

                    One of the first things that is immediately noticeable to me is that you have no planets in earth. You lack an element. Because Saturn is a particularly earthy planet I might check out Saturn to see how you DO deal with earthy things, but by and large I would see it that earth is under-represented in your psyche. Myself and Tim may have differing opinions on what this means, so do not take this as gospel. It is merely my observation! ;p I see an under-represented element as being 'unconcious' in the person. Quite often the element is somewhat 'crude' or underdeveloped in the person. Sometimes this means that they behave through this element in an almost childlike or obsessive way perhaps, but I've seen it quite a few times that a lack of an element creates a 'vacuum' that sucks in the person. They may marry someone strong in the element, or work in an environment that is particularly related that element. In your case it is earth. Your attitudes to food, security, money, career and other earthy stuff may be somewhat crude and it is possible that it 'sucks you in' and you may find that you struggle or become obsessed with these issues or that you marry a Capricorn or Taurus strong person for example or work on a farm or in the police or banks etc. Hope that makes sense. It's just an analogy. You're also pretty lacking in fire too which lends its focus toward Neptune, your fire singleton, and also noticeable is that Neptune disposits your Moon in the 8H and also is oppositino your Sun which is also your chart ruler. Psychology and psychic phenomena or the occult may fascinate you, but be cautioned, do you not get to embroiled with these subjects. Neptune and Pisces struggle to establish boundaries and you have no earth. Do not let other people's problems become your problems. You are interested in psychology but don't tak on other people's issues and problems and make them your own. Be wary of addictive behaviour be that with food, drink, drugs or anything else.

                    Well I got the ball rolling. Anybody else wanna wade on in?
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                      Wed, September 16, 2009 - 3:58 PM
                      Hey Paul,

                      I never saw this post until now! Anyways thanks! I know I lack earth non of my planets are in an earth sign but what I have noticed is instead of being attracted to earthy types I don't get a long with them, we don't see things the same at all. I feel them cold, distant and unkind...so far. I am not saying I could never like an earthy person but so far it hasn't happened.

                      I find I am very attracted to Air first and Fire 2nd...I am full of air, I do lack fire and like you said I have one singleton which is Neptune in Sagittarius...

                      Sarah
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                  Thu, September 3, 2009 - 11:37 PM
                  Here you go, FaF:

                  The first house contains a wide orbit conjunction between Uranus in Pluto. This seems to indicate that you allow people a large amount of personal space and freedom. You can get along with people you don’t agree with easier than most people, Uranus in the first house was considered unfortunate for women before the sexual revolution, but now women with this strength and individuality don't carry the same connotations as 60 years ago. Pluto in there adds a personal strength that makes you even more fiercely independent.

                  Your Uranus and Pluto create a grand trine with your 9th house moon in Taurus and your fifth house Mercury in Capricorn. Wowzers! Your first house players get much reinforcement from the calm, practical earth signs, and Neptune sextiles between the Pluto/Uranus conjunction and your mercury, adding a softness to your communication. You can still drop some major bombs, but you seem to have your higher ideas well-integrated with your thinking and speaking.

                  Neptune opposes Luna, which makes for some very rich dreams I would guess. I think you escaped the more negative sides of the opposition since the moon is in Taurus.

                  The first house point oppose the seventh house Venus and Chiron, which seems to tell me that being fiercely independent and having a long-lasting fairytale marriage don’t mix very well. You probably are attracted to outlaws, but then you remember everything you don’t like about outlaws, lol…

                  Second house ruled by Libra, Venus: Seems good, but you may benefit from legal proceedings, which always seem to come with a price.

                  Neptune in third also squares Saturn in the sixth, and Saturn above. Neptune needs Saturn’s level-headedness sometimes, and so this negative aspect seems more like a good balancer. Since Neptune rubs unfriendly with your 6th house Saturn, your high ideals and independent nature may be compromised by the business world at large. Health in your early life may have gotten dicey with inflammatory (Mars 6th) problems or broken bones (Saturn 6th); since the 6th is Aquarian, the health issues may have had to do with low blood oxygen levels. Since your sun conjuncts the sixth house cusp, and Mars, you probably have a vital strength that will see your though most health difficulties. And since it’s all in Aqua, and Neptune is aspecting, psychosomatic effects are probably more pronounced.

                  Mercury in the fifth, involved with aforementioned grand trine… It seems fine to me, lol. Jupiter’s square is a good thing for a Saturnian mercury, and so your mind is coming into focus as a truly magnificent place, dear FaF.

                  Sixth house has been discussed, but it’s Aquarian and so working on the cutting edge of technology, social justice, or other Aqua-type occupations is probably attractive to you.

                  Venus in Pisces doesn’t get much help, save for a sextile to Mercury. This will add softness to your thinking and speaking, and Mercury, messenger of the gods, will work with you to find 7th house people for you.

                  8th house Jupiter in Aires beneficently aspects your sixth house players, which supports your 6th house needs. It’s also almost exactly quincunx Pluto and Uranus, which means as much as you’d like to be completely independent, you may have to get money from ex-husbands or other unsavory characters.

                  9th house has Luna in a wide-orbit conjunction with the part of fortune. Not bad!

                  I’ll stop here. Thanks for the practice, FaF!
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              Thu, September 10, 2009 - 9:03 PM
              Hey Teresa this is a funny question!! I swear I could go on forever!! there are just waay to many things in a chart to consider and to comment on. I feel that it often comes down to the Synthesis though or simply going with a Psychic or Intuitive impression that leads to the best interpretations and giving information that is inspiring as well as helping. I feel that if you list the Bad then you Must list the good:D(I'm switching up old sayings on mofo's lol!):P
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    Fri, September 4, 2009 - 3:30 AM
    i've had someone do mine on here before but i'd love to see how another person interprets my chart. January 10 1986 San Antonio, Texas 7:45 am
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      Fri, September 4, 2009 - 7:06 AM
      I've never had mine done on a tribe before and I'd love to hear another opinion of my chart messiness.

      May 8, 1979; 9:05am; Orange, NJ
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        Fri, September 4, 2009 - 7:21 AM
        Teresa,

        You and I have practically the same chart. We are like astro twins! You've got some differences. We've both got a 10th House emphasis but yours seems more pronounced. That creative, self-oriented Jupiter in your 1st House is begging for awareness on your 10th stellium while Saturn in the 3rd is crystallizing the energy there. I think you mentioned you are heavy into science, that Saturn-Mercury cooperation should bode well for that. You and I both share an Aries Venus opp to Libran Pluto. Do you find yourself a bit obsessed in love? Or perhaps obssessed with relating to others that you're in love/infatuated with? I guess that 10th House would equate to falling for people of stature or accomplishment, but for me it doesn't. I sometimes wonder if Pluto in Libra dictates a need to discover our own personal power via our personality reflection upon others. Us being Cancer ASC and Venus-ruled Taurus Suns, perhaps we equate that whole process with how we discover to nurture and love ourselves? What do you think on that? Although, you are a Sag moon and my Libra moon would enhance that sentiment more than a Sag moon would.
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          Fri, September 4, 2009 - 8:10 AM
          Derrick - it's all about the Moon, though (our ruling planet)! My most difficult aspect is my Moon-Saturn square, and you are very lucky to have avoided that one. Your Moon squares the AC, though (mine makes no major contact), and yours also squares the DC (mine trines). You don't have my Moon to Neptune and Pluto aspects, which make me feel like I live in a dream world most of the time. You may be more emotionally biased than I am, though. I can emotionally detach myself from a situation pretty easily, and I don't let others mold me into something else, but you may be a victim to other people's emotional projections (I usually only project my emotions onto others, and am good at BLOCKING other ppl's emotions).

          Pluto is attacking your whole stellium, but mine is focused on Venus alone... I'm not sure which is better. I think I'd rather have Pluto scattered among the three planets vs. picking on poor detrimented Venus alone. You may have more issues with power struggles with others and some mind game issues than I do (esp. w/ Mercury contact). You have a lot of power to command attention that you may not realize, and you are probably more aggressive in your actions than I am. I am very introverted and more aggressive with words/my intellect. You are likely more sexual with all of this also. I am technically asexual, as I don't have sexual relationships.

          Would you consider yourself to be a happy person? Libra types do tend to be more peppy, IMO. I am a melancholy sort, and have boughts of depression/suicidal tendencies. That may be our biggest difference. Saturn is more pronounced in my chart, and influences my career a lot (governmental jobs). Your creative aspects are less inhibited b/c of this vs. mine. Saturn opposes your MC, though, whereas mine trines my Mercury and Mars. Saturn square MC can make you feel more lonely, but you are probably more social because of this placement. Did your family place high expectations on you growing up? I don't have this aspect, and my family had no expectations of me whatsoever.

          I am fairly ambitious, as I am sure you are, and yes, I am only attracted to men who are superior in their field (Cap DC, Mars/Venus in the 10th). Are you attracted to Aries or Capricorn types? I totally am... I am obsessive in general, not just in love. Mostly I just have no luck in love. I hope you fair better! I was told by both a palm reader and an astrologer that I am likely to find a soul connection, but I don't think so at this point. I'm already getting up there in years.

          I heard that Pluto in the 4th means we were the opposite gender in a past life... we also have hard aspects between our 4th-10th house planets, which can signal homosexuality or not being happy in our current gender. I must admit that I wish I were a gay man. I have a gay man fetish, actually...

          I think I am probably a bit more independent/self-absorbed than you are. You seem to have stronger family ties, whereas I feel bogged down by my family most of the time. I don't love or nurture myself at all! LOL I kind of have a self-loathing issue.
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            Fri, September 4, 2009 - 8:26 AM
            Oops, Saturn opposite the MC, not square.

            Derrick - is your line of work related to the creative arts in some way then? Our Pisces MC, and Uranus contact makes us very changeful when it comes to career and we need a lot of mental variety... plus, we don't like to be told what to do w/ that Mars in Aries.
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              Fri, September 4, 2009 - 10:06 AM
              Also, I am stronger in fire than you and deficient in air, and your air Moon helps to balance things out. I am hyper-aware and over-compensate in air b/c of my deficiencies. I wish I were more communicative and social, but I am just not.
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            Thu, September 10, 2009 - 2:23 PM
            Teresa,

            Thanks for that! I find you quite "air" on the tribe, atleast. And anyone working in science will have alot of air going on, no? Maybe your overcompensation isn't a bad thing. Earth is my biggest deficiency, but the Sun is in Taurus. Yes, our moons are diff but they both have their issues. Moon square Saturn will atleast grant you control over your emotions, which my Moon squ ASC and DESC does not do at all. And your Sag moon is all about independant expansion and awareness, mine just makes me emotionally dependant on others or "I'm nothing without you." Though both of us are karmically "coming from" a place of our Moons and moving towards our Suns via the ASC. The funny thing about my 4th House is that I'm not very big on family at all. Did your mother's mothering style impact your expressing of love at all? Isn't your moon in 5th? My early family life did become a major motivator for me however. That Pluto we have is tricky. Sabotaging Venus! lol. People generally find me to be sociable, powerful and magnetic socially, but I feel completely opposite. I think that's the Saturn opp MC as Pisces contributes to our sociable nature but that Saturn defeats it. I'm very dreamy with Nep 6, Pluto MC and quite artistic.

            I'm jealous that you can emotionally detach and not be overwhelmed by others' emotions! lol

            Do you feel that you are an almost non-Taurus? i'm wondering if having Taurus on the 11th (natural house ruled by Uranus) puts a different spin on it.
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              Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

              Sun, September 13, 2009 - 5:14 PM
              Derrick - I'm airy? Well, I take that as a compliment. I don't think you have to be strong in air to be scientific, though. I know a lot of air types who are not very scientific at all, just good at communicating. I always wish I were more airy. In person, I'm sure I'm the opposite. I do feel non-Taurus, esp. now that I am getting older, but I think I appear Taurus-like. The Sun is a big part of our outer persona and how others perceive us, esp. on first aquaintance.

              "Nothing without you"? Gosh, I'm glad I don't have that Libra Moon! I can't imagine being like that, actually. I am SEVERELY independent, to the point that I think it's a problem. I recently learned about love (I honestly have always been very ahuman in that regard), and there were times that I felt very empty without that person around, but I've never defined myself by others. I'm hyper-aware of not being like that, mostly because that's how I was raised.

              Pluto seems more prominent in your chart, so I'd imagine you have a pretty strong presence/personality, and you have much better communication skills! I wouldn't say you are deficient in earth, though. You have two personal planets, which is a little low, but not really deficient. I'd say we are both slightly deficient in water, even though we have the ASC in Cancer, and the Uranus in Scorpio.
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    Sat, September 5, 2009 - 10:49 AM
    Anyone who wants some practice can do me:

    people.tribe.net/337b910d-...da0b60e51f
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      Thu, September 10, 2009 - 6:28 PM
      exio, haven't I done yours before..?
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        Thu, September 10, 2009 - 6:48 PM
        i don't think so... i think you kind of deserted that post where you offered... unless i just missed it. but, certainly, feel free. would like some outside perspective... maybe some virgo attention detail and pisces intuition would help me see things from a different perspective.
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          Thu, September 10, 2009 - 8:59 PM
          I'm doing a teeny bit of your Chart Exio as we speak(I'm such a Gemini!:P). I think it's pretty cool. Your chart but with it being really social I feel that You may find yourself looking to the opinions of others to truly understand yourself with the lack of planets in the Personal houses or signs. We do have Jupiter there though in the Northern Hemisphere which does act as a Singleton for Self Expression Exalted in Cancer so you do have a great big nice heart as far as I see it but that function may be one that you may deny or take great pride in nevertheless it is still a social house and is received by the public(us) although that attitude is cultivated through your own experiences where you have to grow when you go through those emotional things in life. With your strong cadent house(9th) it would show a questioning in your mind and you really are seeking out answers so I find this perfectly fine and fun to help you out. With Jupiter as the ruler of that house also you do wish to find answers that can allow you to grow emotionally and lead you to what your creative talents may be and it's cool cause everyone wants to know what creative talents they have!:D
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      Wed, September 30, 2009 - 2:46 AM
      Exio

      I don't think I've done your chart before, have I?
      Gonna give it quick my quick interpretation! Feel free to reciprocate if you get time.

      As I've said to others, I put a lot of focus on elemental balances. Just cos I've noticed that they work.

      You've absolutely no earth.
      This might suggest that you are less 'at home' with menial tasks, material details and with the handling of money and resources generally. I am often convinced that we over compensate for our missing elements. Perhaps you obsess to some level on these things. I know of one guy with no earth who works for the police (typically earth type of job) and obsesses about money and wealth, suggesting he has very little of it despite being relatively well paid. A quick look at his financial habits reveal that he handles his money improperly, despite having a good capricorn wife who would happily look after it for him if he let her! There is then, the fear of instability and so you may cling strongly to your roots or to your possessions. Because the earth element is not plugged into your psyche in the average way, there is the suggestion that it acts somewhat irrationally in your life. Perhaps you feel that your financial situation is strained. YOu may over compensate and work doubly hard or horde money/possessions/food in order to compensate for that. I've often also noticed in men particularly with no earth, that there is a need to make sure the fridge is fully stocked and the wood for winter well cut etc. There is a fear of lacking physical resources.
      I normally look to Saturn to see how the earth element is being used, saturn being particularly earthy. Luckily it is making a moon square which should add more roots and containment. Unfortunately you may also feel that your needs are not being met or that your emotional desires and needs are unable to be expressed properly. You may also be a bit of a workaholic. You may be sentimental or nostalgic and it is likely that there are emotional situations from the past which still affect you today, perhaps some unresolved relationships or emotional patterns. The Moon is also square the Sun, alluding, for me, to a difficulty in your parents marriage or between your understanding of each parent. Perhaps your parents are divorced or seperated or there was some arguments or disagreements. Coupled with the Moon-Saturn square it is likely that you grew up with a negative understanding of yourself, and perhaps your emotional needs were over-looked by your parents who were, to some degree, too busy with their own problems.
      Perhaps because of this, you feel that your childhood was in some way 'robbed' from you. You may be looking now to reclaim that side of you. You may have had to grow up too quicly, and now that you are grown up, you may want to reconnect with childhood and find the lighter side of life. Your Moon is in Leo, and there is that childlike need for attention and creative expression that may not have been devleoped in childhood, but can now be developed in adulthood.
      Your lack of earth, coupled with the Moon conjunct Mars, suggests a certain degree of impulsive behaviour and over-excitability. You may not be known for your patience and may be even a little selfish when it comes to your desires and needs. YOu want them now! Unfortunately these things aren't the most objective of placements and there is likely to be a certain degree of subjective over sensitive opinion of other's opinions or even their desires and needs when in competition or contradiction to your own. The conjunction occurring in the 7H, along with Saturn, suggests that there is some issue here with relationships. A 7H moon suggests the need for relating to others (especially with a venus in libra). There may, at worst, be a sense that the partner should satisfy these desires, and perhaps there is a failing to compromise your own feelings and desires so that you can satisfy your partners also. There is a certain sense of "but what about me" with this placement. There is, therefore, a need to integreate your own needs and desires with that of your partner and to ensure that your desires and feelings do not occlude those of your partner, otherwise relationships will certainly fail. This is further made difficult by the Moon-Saturn square which suggests, of course, that your needs and desires are not being fully realised!
      You do have it in you however to harmonise this conflict, particularly so with Venus in Libra. Some inner adjustments will need to be made before you can make them in the outer world with your partner.

      Your chart ruler, Uranus, is making a number of aspects in the chart, particularly the square to this moon-mars conjunction, suggesting that this conjunct gets charged in great bursts. You may come across aloof and detached, but this hides your much more highly subjective viewpoints and desires. You may come across as being somewhat above it all, but your inner self still really needs to be attended to, your Moon is in Leo, you need a certain degree of attention, especially for your self-worth, which may have been over-looked throughout your life. This creates a bit of conflict. You come across as being emotionally aloof, but in reality you need a great deal of emotional attention.

      Uranus making a square to mars is suggestive of pouring your energies into humanitarian efforts, however it also brings with it a sense of unreliability with it, particularly so with a lack of earth in the chart to ground the lightning strike of Uranus. Ultimately there may be some kind of tension or struggle with asserting yourself in a way that is not aggressive or argumentative. Perhaps you have known periods where your anger or temper appears to erupt erratically. There may be some kind of fear of your own power, or a feeling that you are not in control of your own life (again backed up by the no earth). As a result you may feel that you need to keep yourself on a tight leash or tighten your grip on your life and on your passions. You may need to find ways of expressing your creative ability and channeling your anger without losing control of yourself.
      Uranus also makes a square to the Moon which just adds to the emotional reactions of everything said above. There is a need and tension between needing security, and in needing freedom. Together, the Uranus square to the Moon/Mars combo (particularly in Leo) suggests that you feel that there is some 'right' to take control and have your own desires met. There isn't. Co-operation may need to be learned and it may be a difficult lesson. Taking it on the chin and admitting when you are wrong may also be difficult in your close relationships.
      In short, there is a need to learn to compromise in your close and intimate relationships, otherwise you will find that cirumstance is such that your close relationships appear to fail. You may feel that your partner is not attentive to your needs or that she doesn't seem to care enough about you. Ultimately this is something that is being projected on the partner (as often happens with the seventh house) and is actually that your own inner needs and desires are not being met, but that it is not the responsibility of your partner to meet them. You need to find ways of expressing your needs and desires and fulfilling them independantly without expecting your partner to do it on your behalf. Unfortunately with Mars here too, and in Leo, one of these desires is sexual and perhaps sexual needs have been an issue in the past with your partner. Mars in leo is a particularly powerful placement sexually in a man's chart and the square to Uranus and conjunction to the moon suggests that your sexual desires are not merely desires but 'needs' and also that they may seem somewhat unconventional. There may be some kind of fetishes that feature for example, or attraction to bisexuality or some other sexual 'out of the norm', although perhaps the mars-moon conjunction in a man's chart limits this to some level.
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        Thu, October 1, 2009 - 3:10 PM
        Thanks, Paul. Good interpretation... you definitely alot of the themes.

        You're right on the Earth thing in alot of ways. I'm not really great with money, don't much like to think about it. But I don't tend to cling to possessions... I think I've taken the opposite road on that one. I don't really like possessions... they make me feel bogged down. I've never had much throughout my life, even when I've had the money to accumulate things. And if I'm not using something, I'd prefer to give it away rather than have it clutter my life. Even the possessions that I do use can feel cluttering or limiting.

        I'm not sure what you're talking about with the Saturn-Moon square. They're both in Leo.

        7th house stuff... I don't agree with the idea that the 7th house is where we project things (in the psychological sense) onto others... I think that happens more in the 12th house where the boundaries between "you" and "me" become blurred. I think that the 7th house is more what we "project" (as in make ourselves appear a certain way) to others involved with us, and therefore who we attract. With Mars, Moon, and Saturn all there, I tend to draw people who expect me to be very dominant and grounded/providing. Can easily attract people who are looking for something like a father (Saturn)... hard for someone with a lack of Earth to come through on that one. And people who need alot of emotional nurturing (Moon/mother). Certainly, Mars and moon there are at odds with the aloof, non-dominant Uranus.

        While I'm not really a fetishist and I'm not bi, I have tended to hang out in those circles alot. As for unconventional... I don't tend to make much for limitations on age... dated girls 10+ years my senior when I was 20-ish. And I often find "buddy" situations more satisfying than "traditional" relationships... probably the 7th Mars/Moon sexuality you mentioned aspecting the Uranus conjunct Sun. Also, tend to make "odd couples"... date people who are outside my normal social groups... not the type of people that I would normally form close ties to.

        Sun square moon comments... my parents are still together. But I did grow up during a rough time... financially, alot of stress on my dad, not really good for his familial relationships. There was an extreme focus on practicality... which is likely both the lack of attention and the being expected to grow up too fast that you mentioned. Also, I was labeled very early as "gifted", which, I feel, made adults expect more from me and treat me like I was more "grown up" than I really was.

        You're right about the compromise thing... but it can work in either direction. While sometimes I'm stubborn and unwilling to compromise, it's probably more often that I compromise too much... this, I think is typical of strong 7th house positions. And sooner or later, that starts to wear on you. I was raised by an extreme individualist who was also pretty controlling... so learning more accepted ways of compromising/sharing, how much to give/take has been much of my lesson as an adult.

        I'll look at your chart now.
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          Fri, October 2, 2009 - 1:38 AM
          Exio

          "I'm not really great with money, don't much like to think about it. But I don't tend to cling to possessions... I think I've taken the opposite road on that one. I don't really like possessions... they make me feel bogged down. I've never had much throughout my life, even when I've had the money to accumulate things. And if I'm not using something, I'd prefer to give it away rather than have it clutter my life. Even the possessions that I do use can feel cluttering or limiting. "

          Ah yeah, sometimes that's the way the no-earth goes alright! I used to offer each side more equally but I was starting to get into a thought pattern that the over-compensation was more dominant simply because everyone who I was seeing with no-earth displayed that trait. Good to get back to being a bit more balanced on it! One thing I woudl wonder though, did/do you find yourself attracted to people who display more 'earth' in their chart or personality, or do you perhaps work in an earthy environment?

          "I'm not sure what you're talking about with the Saturn-Moon square."

          Sorry exio, I think I had two charts open at the same time! And I wrote so much about that!!!! :S (I don't even have mercury retro to blame anymore)

          "7th house stuff... I don't agree with the idea that the 7th house is where we project things (in the psychological sense) onto others... I think that happens more in the 12th house where the boundaries between "you" and "me" become blurred."

          I have often found that we 'give away' our seventh house planets to our partners. I don't know whether you woudl agree with this, but that is what I meant by project. I have often found, particularly with the moon and sun here, that the person has certain expectations of the partner. It is not just what kind of partner we attract, its like we hand over that part of ourselves to them. This is just hwat I've noticed. I've noticed it so often that I would struggle now to be overly objective about it. For example, I know of many with a 7H Sun who 'hero worship' their partner and put them on a pedestal. I've noticed that with Moon in the 7H, there is an expectation that the partner will look after them emotionally or should regulate their emotional life somehow. With mars here there may be a struggle toward being self-sufficient and 'doing it yourself' and you may pass this onto a partner. We much more readily recognise the ascendant and firsthouse planets in ourselves, we often recognise the descendant and 7H planets in our partners, however those planets are still in OUR chart. I think this goes some way to explaining it. I did a quick google search to see if I was unique in this understanding and the first paragraph in this article explains my viewpoint on it quite well:
          www.ncgr-turkey.com/TheI-Tho...house.htm
          I agree, of course, that the 12H is a house of projection also, and in a much more 'typical' or unconscious way.
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            Sat, October 3, 2009 - 8:06 AM
            "I have often found, particularly with the moon and sun here, that the person has certain expectations of the partner. It is not just what kind of partner we attract, its like we hand over that part of ourselves to them."

            Now I see where you're coming from... and I agree completely. It has to do both with the kind of partner you attract (what they expect from you) and what you're looking for in a relationship (what you expect from them)... reciprocity, or balance. 7th house planets want to find balance, and it can be easy to expect a partner to be that balance. I guess I don't like the word "projection" because, to me, it entails deluding yourself into believing that someone else is something that they're not... something that's actually a part of yourself. In the 7th house, I think we usually realize that they're not that thing, yet for some reason we still might expect them to become it. It's more about expectations... so much of what fights within our relationships are about. Harmony/disharmony.

            "Sorry exio, I think I had two charts open at the same time! And I wrote so much about that!!!! :S (I don't even have mercury retro to blame anymore) "

            :-) I figured it was something like that.
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            Sat, October 3, 2009 - 8:38 AM
            "Ah yeah, sometimes that's the way the no-earth goes alright! I used to offer each side more equally but I was starting to get into a thought pattern that the over-compensation was more dominant simply because everyone who I was seeing with no-earth displayed that trait. Good to get back to being a bit more balanced on it! One thing I woudl wonder though, did/do you find yourself attracted to people who display more 'earth' in their chart or personality, or do you perhaps work in an earthy environment?"

            Attracted to people who display a more Earthy element... yes and no. That's the kind of extreme... I tend to be attracted to very Taurean people (many of my best friends), but tend to get involved romantically with very Piscean people... more thoughts on this in a second. As for work... my jobs have been carpentry and service industry. So yes. Right now I do alot of work for an art gallery... building things, dealing with the practical side of creating a sculpture or installation and maintaining the building. So kind of putting practicality toward what could be seen as a "non-practical" end.

            Attracted... more on the 7th house. I tend to end up with pretty "impractical" people. I think Mars, Saturn, and Moon there... attracts people who expect me to be ambitious, practical, and understanding. And this can be attractive to me at first... seems like it balances me... and, with the lack of Earth, pushes an Earthy side of me. But in the end, it ends up pushing you into being the practical, stable side of the equation... a really uncomfortable place to be. I'm probably better off finding a good Taurus woman :-) This is how 7th house planets can go in opposite directions... we either expect the other to be that side of the relationship, or we take that side of the relationship onto ourselves and deny our need for it... that's the side of the 7th house where we can be overly compromising.
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Sat, September 12, 2009 - 2:17 PM
    Here are my charts, both in Placidus and whole sign houses. I'm a beliver in the whole sign system, its kind of like a hidden door. It definitely helped explain some things about me that didn't satisfy me with Placidus. : ]

    Placidus:
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    Whole Signs:
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    I know I have some difficult aspects that get in the way of my communication to others, memory, learning. I have a T-square with Mercury op. Pluto square my nodes, Ive seen some interpretations online with a couple sentences explaining the aspect, but Ive yet found an explanation that can help me come to terms with it and help me be able to "work it out" if you know what I mean.

    Im definately open to some insightful interpretations Kind of an amateur here when it comes to interpreting others' charts but Ill give it a shot. :)
    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Tue, September 29, 2009 - 11:19 PM
      I don't think you've got any communication problems. It's more about Mercury being in the 6th house... the house of criticization, and especially self-criticization (apparently, I made up the word "criticization", but you know what I mean). And Pluto's a little critical, too. My best advice on that one is to not worry about it too much, and to realize that most everyone's got difficulty in really, truly communicating. If you stop being overly critical about how you communicate, you'll likely look around you and see that there's a general discomfort in people when it comes to communication. Then (maybe) you'll feel a little better about you're own ability to communicate. Pluto wants compassion.

      But... there's an area in you're chart that's very interesting, also involving Mercury. Neptune's also there... Virgo's opposite, and just as critical. if not moreso. And Uranus is tied into that, too. Yeah... you communicate strangely. All the outer planets aspecting Mercury. But that's fine. You've got something to say. Say it. Some will understand, some won't. C'est la vie.
    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Wed, September 30, 2009 - 1:56 AM
      Volodya

      I pay particular attention to things like the elemental balance. It's just my personal style.
      With that in mind I notice a couple of interesting things.
      You are strong in the yin elements of earth and water, but have fewer yang elements of fire and air.
      In fact you have a singleton in each of the latter elements:
      Sun in Aries is your only fire element
      Mars in Aquarius is your only air element.
      You'll notice here of course that Mars disposits your sun and both are singletons which adds some focus to them! And the two are also closely sextile.

      There is a strong need here to do your own thing and express yourself freely. Mars in Aquarius is very much a placement that wants to express itself in its own way, in a unique one-of-a-kind kind of way, and so too is the sun in aries. People may consider your methods to be a bit odd-ball, but there is a curious method to your madness. Both placements have a peculiar ability to ensure that they get their own way, and although Aries is known to blow up in temper and throw its dolls out of the pram, the aquarian mars should cool this temper considerably, however having your ideas contradicted or outright denied may still cause that temper to burst to the surface. Be careful of thinking that because you feel yourself more unique or charismatic, that your way is the right way. Culture humility. The mercury-neptune trine should certainly help that.
      Because you need to do things your own way, you may make life more difficult for yourself by deliberately doing something in an unconventional manner in an effort to assert your sense of uniqueness. It is also likely that, although not incapable of commitment, chances are you will likely 'play the field' for some time. There is a distinct dislike for being 'tied down' to someone. With that Aquarian Mars, you may be lead toward something which is sexually considered taboo or shocking. Your sex appeal, or sexual nature, may be considered forward thinking or just 'out there'. Perhaps there is a touch of bisexuality to you (don't take offence if this is not true, just a consideration). Behind all your more overt sexuality is an inner need to feel safer and more secure, and paradoxically a need to sort of 'lose yourself' in your lover or indeed in love itself (with venus in 4H Pisces).

      Going back to your comments;
      "I have a T-square with Mercury op. Pluto square my nodes"

      When considering T-Squares I would normally not include the nodes. However even if you wanted to, because Mercury-Pluto opp would square BOTH the south node AND the north node, it would be a T-Square in any event.

      "I know I have some difficult aspects that get in the way of my communication to others, memory, learning."

      Exio has already mentioned this. I woudln't necessarily say that you have aspects which diminish your ability to communicate. A 6H Mercury is somewhat critical, and perhaps this is what you're feeling. Being in taurus, this Mercury suggests a need for a slow and steady approach to learning and to communication. Some backward astrology books might suggest that Mercury in taurus describes someone who is a little mentally slow and to some extent this is true, in that the Taurus mercury likes to know what its saying before it says it and in comparison to a gemini mercury is a little less quick-witted, but its NOT true to suggest that a Taurus Mercury is somehow stupid or thick. It just learns a little slower, but once learned it normally doens't need to learn it again. In contradiction to your more outgoing self, this sixth house mercury is a little more 'structured' or at the very worst tunnel-visioned. At best issues pertaining to health, hygiene, systems and sciences will be a natural for you. At worst all you'll notice is how 'wrong' particular systems, food types, hygience etc is, taken to an extreme you may become obsessed by hygiene and other 6H issues, particularly with that Pluto opposition. Be careful here. Mercury in the 6H, particularly with Pluto opp, might be indicative of psychosomatic illness and ill-health because of poor thought patterns or incorrect thinking. You've an amazing knack at seperating the bad eggs from the good ones. Use this discrimination lightly when you apply it to yourself. Let your body tell you what it needs don't force it because you ideologically think it SHOULD need or want certain things. You may also find that you are 'fussy' in some way with food stuff, though its difficult to tell. Perhaps there's some food types that you either are deficient in or that you are allergic to or choose not to eat etc.

      You've also an interesting trine between Venus and Pluto, interesting because venus rules the sixth house and the only planet in the sixth is opposition to Pluto. Venus is also in Pisces, and your 6H Planet (mercury) is trine Neptune. I just like looking for things that connect up the chart and notice things like this (must be my gemini connect-the-dots brain). I mentinoed this briefly above. Your Mars is more aloof and needs freedom and space, but your venus needs unconditional love and compassion. There is a possibility here that you feel that no one person can offer you the love that you need nor match the love you feel for them, and so you may feel that you have been sacrficed on altar of relationships. Your compassionate nature may make you more attracted to people who have that soft-eyed heart-on-the-sleeve emotinally vulnerable type. This would play off your Aries Sun of course, and the need to defend the underdog and rescue the 'princess'. On a more sexual nature this Venus, particularly by being in pisces and trine Pluto, may show an attraction toward the inequality of power. Perhaps sexual power games ensue.

      I hope some of this is accurate. I always like to stress that we all have free-will and if you dislike anything I've said here, then just make the point of not becoming that person. You're still quite young so perhaps some of it won't really resonate yet.
      Let me know.

      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

        Wed, September 30, 2009 - 1:58 AM
        There's still quite a few people who would like their charts read.
        We're all amateurs here I think. Our levels of experience may vary but we can all give it a shot.

        It would be good if everyone who wants a reading, attempts to read the chart of someone else who wants a reading.
        Share and share, that's fair!
      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

        Wed, September 30, 2009 - 2:00 AM
        Volodya

        I completely forgot to mention the Sun-Moon square. Had it noted down to mention.
        I just wanted to ask about your family situation. I've often found that there are parental issues.
        The parents often seem to come from very differing places and with the Cap Moon perhaps there is some issue with the father/mother playing the role of the other parent. Divorce or 'difficult marriages' are common with the parents of people with this placement, I've found.
        • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

          Thu, October 1, 2009 - 4:13 PM
          Thank you Paul and Exio for taking the time out to interpret my chart, I greatly appreciate it! :] Pretty much everything you wrote hit the nail on the head.

          I really value my freedom to do the things that I want to do, even if it’s not in my best interests – because I was so limited at an early age (sun-square Saturn) I feel like I need to make up for everything before I get too old and have to buckle down. Even then, I want to find a career that will grant me at least some freedom and space to travel – I’m majoring in foreign languages in college so I can become an Interpreter when I’m proficient enough. I’m also passionate in the arts, especially dance. It’s not just a division of the arts or something that I do with my body – it’s something I feel and both things I have a passion for :)

          Yes, I definitely have a different way of verbally expressing myself, lol. People call me sassy and say sometimes that I have an attitude when speak. I do have to watch how I speak sometimes because I might come off as an icy bitch or harsh when talking (Asc sq mars in the 3rd and mercury in 6th opp. pluto) And I guess you could say the pluto/mercury - nodes t-square could be summed by the fact I suffer from as Lindsay Lohan calls it: word vomit - Ever since I was little I’ve had this thing where say things at the wrong moment and tend to jump the gun, making assumptions about things that might not even be true at all or have any relevancy to the subject at hand. Not only that, but also the pressures of hi-speed, social mercurial world we live in, tend to put me in a position where I need to have that quick mercurial wit, and it often backfires on me. That’s mostly a social thing though, as most of my friends are mostly gay Latino/a Virgos and Aquarius’s and they ALWAYS have something to say at the drop of a hat and are very outgoing. I'm tend to be different as I tend to be a shy observer, especially when I’m not confident in myself. I kinda close up a little inside and you've never experienced it, it can be really suffocating.

          I had a scandalous ex-friend, an Aquarius with a Capricorn stellium and a t-square with pluto in the 3rd square the his Sun and opp. Moon that, every time I was around him or when I would be on my way to see him, I’d get a rush of anxiety and nervousness and totally lose my self-confidence. I truly think he doesn't like me, I’ve known him since high school and he'd always do something or say something that would really put me down (that thing has happened all my life so I guess I’m used to it) and essentially embarrass me in front of many people...it wasn't cute. And I never felt like I could just be myself when I was around him, like he was always judging me psychically (he has mercury conjunct Neptune trine Virgo asc) As soon as I left him I was better, minus the diminished self-confidence. What I think he was doing was projecting his own insecurities on to me and other people (he does have a lot of 4th house mars/Neptune/5H Saturn issues - daddy issues) and since I stopped hanging out with him, my self-confidence has gone up a bit.

          I have Neptune conj. Moon within 5 minutes of each other, Venus in Pisces conj. IC and Venus also exactly trines my 8th house Chiron in Cancer, both at 11' 23, making me much more empathetic and less detached than your average Mars in Aquarius person. My mars does get in the way of me wanting a relationship sometimes, especially since the Neptune/Jupiter/Chiron conjunction is on it and influencing all of its connections (Asc, Sun, Jupiter). That’s been having me play the field a little more lately and I see parts of my old self dissolving, others expanding, as well as old and new endeavors. Neptune has also been transiting my 3rd which is probably why I’ve been having these communication and learning problems. (I also have Neptune opp. Chiron, I suspect that’s part of it too). I wouldn’t say I’m bisexual, I’m pretty gay, lol. I think the ambiguity lies in the gender expression rather than my sexuality. In high school, when I came out, I’m not gonna lie, I went full out, ripped the closet door, haaay I’m gay! I used to wear makeup all the time and I even put sewn in hair extensions for my senior portrait because I wanted boast that I was the only guy to have them in the yearbook, lol.

          With the transits to my Ascendant and Mars I see this overtly feminine part of me dissolving and my more masculine qualities are expanding. The softness and fat (I was 200 lbs at 5’5” ½ until 2007 now I’m 137) I’ve accumulated is now replaced by more acute features and muscle definition [Lately I’ve been riding my bike 10-12 miles at a time some days, and I just signed up for a gym membership! : ) ]. I’m definitely health- conscious but not so much health-obsessed. My choices aren’t the greatest, but I’m taking small steps to have better eating habits. I do get really pissed off, however, when people mess with my food, like taking what out of my fridge when not much is there anyways. That really gets under under my skin. Lol other than that, I love food! I love trying new foods from different cultures, everyone has their preferences. :)

          Hmm my Sun and Moon aren’t square by aspect, even though they are in signs that are naturally square. I think what you’re looking at is my Sun-Saturn square (the symbols are so close it looks like it lol) Well, my mom died when I was 10, so my dad had to play both roles of the provider and care-giver (there’s a difference).Personally I feel like my childhood was more limited and shut in than most other people my age, constantly checking in with him, kinda limited what I was allowed to be subjected to at an early age – that all changed when I got in HS and graduated. He’s good at providing income and he’s frugal but he can get really selfish sometimes, especially when it comes to his relationships with women (2H Moon/Sun/Pluto Conjunction in Leo) a lot of times I feel like I’m on the backburner (me, my education, my activities, ect.) while he’s disillusioned with women who take advantage of him and his money – The current one has been a 6 year run that’s only left us really in the hole, moving residences 3 times in the last year. (Neptune in the 4th square asc)

          And he’s extremely esoteric with a grand water trine with 12H Uranus, 5H Mars in Scorpio and 9H Jupiter in Pisces tine his Cancer Asc and Neptune sextiling his Leo conjunctions. He reads books like “Mystic Paths to Cosmic Power” and has had a few teacher’s he’s followed like Parmahansa Yogananda and Roy Masters (Every time he “teaches” me about Masters I get pissed because I think his teachings and beliefs are so ludicrous and he talks about this stuff sometimes with conviction. – keyword: pedestal) and he was involved in metaphysics for a long time so he sees things that most “normal” people can’t perceive (energies, light exchanges – then again he did do stuff like lsd and pot a few times so that can make you loopy too) I just can’t help but get annoyed in when he involves Christianity in the mix (I’m uncomfortable with Christianity and Jesus in general) and his inflexibility in his ideals (3H Virgo Saturn-Mercury conj.). Some of the things he says I just don’t accept as true, we’re on different levels on that. Other than that, he’s a good man, his head isn’t on his shoulders right and his priorities aren’t set straight. I just wish I could have had a more grounded parental figure so my shit could be straight most of the time.. lol
          Ok, I think I’m done for the moment, hope that was good enough feedback for ya! haha
          • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

            Fri, October 2, 2009 - 1:18 AM
            Volodya

            I'm glad it was fairly accurate. There's loads of people here still waiting for someone to read their chart. Why not give it a stab? There's no competition to be right or wrong, its all just interpretation practice. Amiable posted a list not long back. Maybe choose someone on it and see what you think!

            "And I guess you could say the pluto/mercury - nodes t-square could be summed by the fact I suffer from as Lindsay Lohan calls it: word vomit"

            I think that might just be the mercury-pluto, I don't think the nodes are really involved in that. The nodes are more of a karmic thing, so perhaps it is relevant if you are enacting on others what others have said to you or something like that, but even so, I think its more of a critical 6th House mercury aspecting Pluto.

            "I went full out, ripped the closet door, haaay I’m gay! I used to wear makeup all the time and I even put sewn in hair extensions for my senior portrait because I wanted boast that I was the only guy to have them in the yearbook, lol."

            lol
            kinda goes back to what I said about wanting to be shocking or different. I just wonder whether you used (still use?) your sexuality as a way of being different? There's nothing wrong with being different and unique but I'd always exercise caution for anyone who defines themselves by sexuality. Sexuality is not a replacement for personality. I'm sure you've a great personality that is different and fun without it being related to your sexuality.

            "I’m definitely health- conscious but not so much health-obsessed. My choices aren’t the greatest, but I’m taking small steps to have better eating habits. I do get really pissed off, however, when people mess with my food, like taking what out of my fridge when not much is there anyways."

            lol you're still quite young! Plenty of time to become obsessive! :p
            You've already shown that you're body image has drastically transformed (mars square scorp asc?) and it wouldn't surprise me if you become, in a few years, much more body-image conscious which may lead to being health conscious. Only time will tell!

            "I think what you’re looking at is my Sun-Saturn square (the symbols are so close it looks like it lol) "

            yup! That's what I saw! Sorry! I didn't pay enough attention, should have used the aspect grid!

            "a lot of times I feel like I’m on the backburner (me, my education, my activities, ect.)"

            hmm maybe its ok to be on the backburner now for a while. You ARE 19 after all and perhaps he sees you as being some independant and strong-willed enough not to need to look after you as much, whereas he himself may be very lonely. Sounds like he had a tough time in that he had to be a single parent and raise you, when a lot of the time that can be very difficult! Perhaps as you grow older you'll find opportunities where you can be there for him.

            "I get pissed because I think his teachings and beliefs are so ludicrous and he talks about this stuff sometimes with conviction."

            More Mars in Aquarius perhaps? Anger at fixed ideology? The interesting part of this is that perhaps your own ideology is pretty fixed? Especially with statements like "Some of the things he says I just don’t accept as true" etc. Of course not everything we say or think others will accept as true, however you're suggesting that you get 'pissed' about it! lol Naturally he doesn't have to conform or 'justify' his beliefs to you, and its always possible that being more experienced in life generally and in spiritual matters than you are, that he simply has a greater understanding of these things than you do. It's just worth considering. I said in my interp that there may be a tendancy to see your own interpretation as the right one. for example, your uncomfortability with christianity and jesus may be more reflective of your own misunderstanding or assumptions as to what he means when he considers them.

            "I just wish I could have had a more grounded parental figure so my shit could be straight most of the time"

            I think you're actually quite lucky. Sounds like he was always able to support you financially and it sounds like you've a good relationship with him. I appreciate that you lost your mother, but he too lost his wife/lover and still had to raise a child. He seems to be financially able, so he can't be that ungrounded!

            Thanks for the feedback! It's always good to get feedback so you can learn from it.

            Try giving an interpretation to one of the others who are looking for one in return!
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Mon, September 14, 2009 - 9:01 PM
    Hey! I'd love to have someone look at my chart. The chart is in my pics, or if you'd rather plug it into a program or something:

    December 10, 1980 11:35 a.m. in West Liberty, Kentucky USA.
    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Tue, September 15, 2009 - 10:58 AM
      I'll give a few random points Gabby, don't really have the time for a full interpretation. The Aquarius Ascendent shows you as very upfront and objective (though I can see this from your profile pic anyway). Mercury right on the MC in Sag, a powerful communicator, particularly in public settings, though with a serious sense of quality to your words (only way I can describe the Jupiter-in-Libra-close-to Saturn sextile to Merc.) Your powerful focus (Sag Sun) is fogged up by the presence of Neptune, making career choices confusing (10th house.)
      Sextiling 8th house Pluto may play into this, lending an extreme sense of life or death urgency to these matters.
      12th house Late Cap Moon: quite comfortable with some serious ambiguity, Mars gives this placement some drive, Pluto adds difficulty with extremes.
      A little piecemeal but should cover the basics.
      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

        Tue, September 15, 2009 - 5:00 PM
        Well, I am a poet and do use words powerfully both for that and the activism I'm involved in (so that covers public use of communication, like you said).

        Yeah, career choice... definitely "fogged up." lol. Especially at this time in my life, but also just in general.

        That's an interesting way of describing my moon: "comfortable with some serious ambiguity." I'd say that's true, and especially with the square from Pluto I see ambiguity and unstated motives very easily. Pluto does add much difficulty. :P
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Tue, September 15, 2009 - 12:08 PM
    Im curious what people here would make of my potential partners chart. Thing is im not sure if she has a taurus or gemini ascendant. Both make sense, she speaks 3 languages, she passed a course at college in english chinese translation, she writes beautiful poetry, she is a philosopher (be the Sag moon) but she has told me many times she learns things slowly, gradually through her senses. she cant be interested in anything if it doesnt awaken her senses. She is slow to react to her enviroment, slow to make decisions but once made its usually irreversible, yet at other times she can be so changable....I really dont know, but please feel free to look and let me know what y'all think, would be much appreciated.

    people.tribe.net/372fe795-...3d607ef855

    her chart
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Wed, September 16, 2009 - 1:40 AM
    Hi everyone,

    Im fairly new to the group. This is my first time posting. ^.^ I know a little bit about astrology, on an very amateur level, and was hoping to get more insight on my chart. My friend keeps warning about the arrival of the infamous saturn return (turning 28 soon), but really there was so much intense upheaval in my life over the past..say decade..that Im just thinking, "what more?!" Recently I've started to believe that my high concentration of planets and activity in the 12th house has been the culprit for many conflicting, dark, and intense emotions/experiences. But really, I'm completely uncertain. So if anyone wants to take a look at my chart and give it a go, I say, thank you!

    Here is the link to the image:
    people.tribe.net/27c830cb-...b0d664fbe1
    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Wed, September 16, 2009 - 2:09 AM
      Rexxie

      My interpretation, for what its worth!

      You have an over abundance of air planets, and a singleton in earth.
      This singleton, Venus, is particularly important. It is your only earth planet, and it is also the ruler of your descendant. It is also conjunct your south node and is the significator. Its further significance is found in noting that it disposits all those 12thHouse Planets.

      Venus therefore can be said to be the focus of a great deal of energy.
      Looking at the aspect grid, we see that Venus square quite a considerable number of 'important' planets. Particularly it is closely square Saturn, but also square the Moon, Pluto, and Mars. Pluto and Mars being the Chart ruler, and all of which are diposited by Venus itself. Venus then is disposited by Saturn, Saturn is diposited by Venus in a mutual reception and both are square.

      Rather than going through all the venus squares individually it would be enough to suggest that the venus squares are indicative of intense emotional struggles (particularly to Pluto) and may indicate feelings of jealousy, emotional trauma, intense emotional upheavel, there may be an intense need for a partner (backed up by all that 12H Libra energy and that venus rules the descendant) and there is the possibility that internal emotional battles get projected onto the partner and experienced through them.
      There is a dynamic here between the airy intellectual 'above it all' attitude of the Aquarius Sun and Libran Moon (who are the extemities of the bowl chart and therefore important) and smooth aspect between them and all the air energy in the chart. There is the feeling of being above such petty emotional problems and attitudes, and yet, there, stuck in teh middle, is your poorly aspected Venus causing all sorts of mischief.
      The liklihood is that these emotional traumas and dramas will be experienced through the partner, either your own internal issues being projected onto the partner, or the attraction to a partner who will trigger off these things, or, if you prefer, that it is the partner that is at fault, and you, of course, are innocent. There is a sense with Libra that any coarse or disruptive emotional energy is not 'becoming' of them, and aquarius likes to 'blink away' any emoitonal distress. Together these signs are fantastic at repressing emotional energy or just projecting it onto others, especially Libra, the sign that of balance. To me, Libra is in the act of balancing, it is not balanced. Strong LIbra types, in my opinion, are those who seek to be balanced. Nobody who is already balanced seeks to be balanced, and it is my experience that they often swing from one extreme to the other before finally reaching this tentative balance. Underlying all this is the sordidity of negative emotion, conveniently heaped onto others rather than foundn in themselves. Because feeling such things would be unsightly or unappealing to their intellectual ideal, any feelings of jealousy, anger, emotional intensity etc. 'must' be caused by the 'other'. This is a common form of projection amongst the strongly airy, particularly libra, which in my mind is similar in many ways to the opposition, it being the first sign of opposition in the chart.

      In summary, I would look to that Venus and ways of integrating it into your life so that it no longer acts as unconcsiously (12th House) as it might currently do. Undoubtedly it is an important focus in your chart.
      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

        Wed, September 16, 2009 - 2:49 AM
        Thanks for taking the time out to interpret my chart Paul!

        Yes, Venus has always been very conflicting with the rest of my personality. With everything else in life, Im usually pretty breezy about it, but with regards to love..dun dun dun! its always more grave, serious, and a source of pain. I recently ended a 5 year relationship that was very negative, and self-destructive. So much pent up anger and rage was involved. I knew that I could reach those heights (or should I say lows..lol) but to actually take it there was very damaging for me entirely. To the extent that my health was in jeopardy. And yes, balance has always been an issue for me. I take things to the extreme, all or nothing. But I always thought that was due to my Scorpio rising?

        However, for an Aquarius I'm intensely emotional, but everyone always assumes otherwise. It is as if I have to plunder, practically kill myself spiritually, to reach the other side. Few people witness this side of me, as I'm usually a very private person, and hate to burden others with my emotions. Since I have been the receptical many times for others emotional issues, and would never want to put anyone else in that position.

        When I look at my chart, it doesnt strike me as particularly emotional. Which is what I'm so confused about, where does all this dark intensity of emotion come from? And why do I attract dark energies and experiences, is it all due to my many conflicts with Venus?

        x
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          Wed, September 16, 2009 - 7:34 AM

          >>>However, for an Aquarius I'm intensely emotional, but everyone always assumes otherwise. It is as if I have to plunder, practically kill myself spiritually, to reach the other side. Few people witness this side of me, as I'm usually a very private person, and hate to burden others with my emotions. Since I have been the receptical many times for others emotional issues, and would never want to put anyone else in that position.<<<

          Chiron in the 7th house....?
        • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

          Wed, September 16, 2009 - 8:07 AM
          "When I look at my chart, it doesnt strike me as particularly emotional. "

          Rexxie

          I guess it comes down to where you consider 'emotion' to be shown in the chart and what constitues emotion.

          Personally I think it is somewhat simplistic to say that 'not much water' = 'not much emotion'. That's not how I would see it, but each to their own. I would see the Moon and Venus for instance as relating to emotions (regardless of sign or element).
          Aquarius is not without emotion. It is in fact, VERY easy to rile the emotions of Aquarius. Were you to suggest that their grand ideas are laughably unrealistic and that we can't save the planet anyway etc. you would certainly meet one of their emotions - anger and frustration.
          Take a Libra and show them how uncivilised their behaviour is and how they're really not that intersting and are probably going to end up alone anyway and you'll hurt them deeply.

          It would be silly then to suggest that only water signs feel emotion. So I ask again, where do you consider emotion to be shown in the chart?

          I would consider all things holistically, I would not seperate emotion from thought. Some feel emotionally safe knowing that things are logically sound, others feel emotionally cold when we apply too much logic. One does not feel emotion more or less than another. One may PREFER or UNDERSTAND one more than the other, but is not the same thing. Someone with lots of water does not an overly emotional person make, no more than someone with lots of earth makes a millionaire.
          For me it is a lot to do with balances and misbalances. You seem to have preconceptions as to where emotional disturbance can be seen in the chart I think, loooking primarily to what is in a water sign. My point is that you might think to broaden your horizons on this a little more and consider other possibilities. Take a strong air chart. The need is to connect with others, consider ideas and to arrive at the truth. How would that person feel if they find themselves alone in life and nobody listens to them? Should we suggest that they do not feel loneliness, emotional hurt or trauma merely because their natural inclination is not emotionally oriented? I personally do not think so. Air signs may want to keep things 'safe' and may struggle with intimacy.

          You have Venus as a powerful play in your chart. Regardless of how much water you have, the aspects it makes to other planets WILL have an emotional effect. That is my belief on it. But don't take my word for it
          Check out what other sites say about all the square that it makes, bear in mind that these issues are REGRADLESS of how much water is in the chart:

          MOON SQUARE VENUS
          www.cafeastrology.com/natal/m...cts.html
          "they may find themselves giving in to others too easily, especially in the first half of life. Resentment is possible, as they feel that they are the ones who seem to do all the acquiescing. ... our reaction mainly reflects inner fears and unresolved personal issues, and tends to be negative, resulting in heartbreak and disillusionment"

          www.astrologyweekly.com/astrol...nus.php
          "This indicates probably inner stress and tensions related to your social and intimate relationships; your emotions will be the battleground. ... Yet at the same time, you need this emotional involvement and those intense feelings. "

          VENUS SQUARE MARS
          www.cafeastrology.com/natal/v...cts.html
          "They are passionate people who seem to need an active romantic and sexual life to drive them. Often, this area of life is somewhat challenging, especially in youth."

          www.astrologyweekly.com/astrol...ars.php
          "Your sexual / romantic feelings are very intense. ...Insecure relationships or very difficult partnerships are common"

          VENUS SQUARE SATURN
          www.cafeastrology.com/natal/v...cts.html
          "blockages are experienced, and love relationships may be a source of frustration as a result, until the natives learn to love themselves, and to feel worthy of love from others...Though you crave love and affection, intimacy is difficult for you. You may become romantically involved with people who do not value you or treat you well. You need to learn to love and value yourself before you will find happiness in love.."

          www.astrologyweekly.com/astrol...urn.php
          "This conditioning may have produced the feeling you have that you are not destined for happiness in your relationships. If you accept others for themselves, realizing that everyone has to make concessions and adjustments to others, then happiness can surely be yours. Remember that even people who seem happy have difficult moments in relating to others; your predicament is not at all unique."


          (this next one is important as it also involves your chart ruler)

          VENUS SQUARE PLUTO
          www.cafeastrology.com/natal/v...cts.html
          "you might attract intense relationships that have love-hate themes as a result....you will meet yourself (the "darker" side or inner demons) through your relationships, and it will be critical that you recognize it as your own "material" and not project it onto your partner"

          www.astrologyweekly.com/astrol...uto.php
          "Your intense emotions are liable to dictate the nature of your choices, and you may experience difficulties through being unable to control your desires and passions....Crises associated with relationship and emotions are likely, providing you with the possibility of transformationa nd understanding of the energies of love, emotion and sex within yourself."




          Hope these examples help you understand the point I was hoping to make. Planets in the water element is not the only place that emotion is indicated in the chart. Your singleton in earth is likely to temper the above statements to reflect the feelings of physical security and values and wants and desires which are likely to be tied up intimately with your emotional outlook.
          • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

            Thu, September 17, 2009 - 3:05 AM
            Pauul ;)

            I see what you mean. Usually when I discuss astrology with others, they always look confused when they hear that Im an emotional Aquarius. My detached demeanor doesnt help to dissuade them either. So I tend to always feel that I have to explain myself in that realm. Your explanation makes perfect sense, and its refreshing to have someone see emotions that way. Thanks for taking the time out to provide me, this complete stranger, with such an in depth responses. It really means a lot!

            xx
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              Thu, September 17, 2009 - 3:57 AM
              "Your explanation makes perfect sense, and its refreshing to have someone see emotions that way. Thanks for taking the time out to provide me, this complete stranger, with such an in depth responses. It really means a lot! "

              Rexie

              Hey no problem! Just glad you understood where I was coming from.
              It can be useful to get an outside perspective on your chart. Its always hard to be too objective when it comes to being about you!
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Mon, September 28, 2009 - 11:38 AM
    I love the idea of this thread! If I can get my act together, I'd be interested in looking at someone's chart, but I, too, tend to have a problem knowing which pertinent details to focus on. My chart interpretations are very long-winded and not as coherent as I'd like for them to be. But this thread is a great forum for gaining practice in such matters, as well as for gaining others' perspectives.

    If anyone has interest in hashing through my chart, I'd definitely enjoy/appreciate hearing their thoughts!

    people.tribe.net/b47d4a40-...ae8c643db0
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    Mon, September 28, 2009 - 4:36 PM
    hi :) how are you? i am very interested in astrology. but i am a newbie. i have yet a lot to learn. i have my natal chart at my profil. if anyone would like to interprete it. thanks and greetings from greece :)
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      Tue, September 29, 2009 - 6:31 AM
      Hello! I'm new to this tribe, and would really appreciate if anyone would take a look into my natal chart. Thank You!!!

      April 4,1972 2:07 p.m. in Bossier City, Louisiana
      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

        Tue, September 29, 2009 - 12:09 PM
        Am I the only one who wants practice? Sheesh!

        Well, I'm going to take on SEE Gull, and I'd appreciate it if some more people could help out the other folks.

        Come out, come out wherever you are!

        (Don't forget Volodya up there, waiting since 9/12!!!)
        • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

          Tue, September 29, 2009 - 12:18 PM
          I think we need a list of all the newbies who want someone to look at their charts. I will make one.
          • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice - The List So Far

            Tue, September 29, 2009 - 12:28 PM
            In order of appearance, here is the list of people so far who would like someone to interpret their charts (those who have received readings are omitted, of course):

            bad kitty
            SecSip
            exio
            myzil
            volodya
            gabby
            nephos's gf
            Rothilda T.
            Holler
            maria

            I think Paul should do all of these since this thread was his idea. <evil grin>
            • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice - The List So Far

              Tue, September 29, 2009 - 1:34 PM
              I'll do Volodya.
              I've had a quick look. Will write it up properly later or tomorrow!
              Just hang on in there.

              Amiable maybe you should do one or two, you've got yourself a good list there you can start on :P
              • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice - The List So Far

                Tue, September 29, 2009 - 1:45 PM
                You know I suck at this sort of thing. I have been going through an existential crisis lately where interpretation is concerned. Maybe when Mercury is thoroughly past retrograde that will clear up somewhat.

                Where are folks like Tim and Michele who were posting here regularly a little while ago? And what about some of the newbies that could try and practice on another person? Others could guide or "correct" them if something sounds off or incomplete or something. Like, "I think that a 1st House Aries Sun conjunct Ascendent would tend to make this person rather direct, however, having almost all the other planets in 12th House Pisces...."
            • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice - The List So Far

              Tue, September 29, 2009 - 3:33 PM
              Thanks for the list-compiling! That was helpful.

              Okay, nervous, but here's a go at it... I took a look at nephos' lady's chart.

              I immediately found this chart interesting, because she was born around four and a half months after me, same year, and - if the ascendant is approximate - with a close ascendant. So we likely have quite a bit in common, chart-wise. How close is her ascendant to that, nephos? Is it undetermined if it's Taurus or Gemini because it's off probably only by a very, very short period of time (if at all)? Or could it be a much bigger difference? I'm wondering how much her houses might be off...

              To start out, I'd agree with you that she sounds more like a Taurus Rising, particularly with the mentions of her being very sense-oriented and slow to take things in (and not a lot else in her chart seems to indicate the latter).

              I'm not surprised that there's some ambiguity, though, because her Sun/Mercury conjunction in Virgo would probably add a lot of mental acuity and general Mercurial energy. Their (possible) 5th House placement (and the 5th House's cusp in Virgo) also could give her creative nature a fair amount of a physical/sensual expression.

              It's also interesting that her Sun/Mercury, which are in not particularly aggressive or restless or reckless by their Virgo nature, are really given a dramatic push towards being more daring by their aspects to Uranus, Jupiter, and Mars. This, while her rather adventurous Moon in Sagittarius is given a much more cautious edge by its tight conjunction with Saturn. Those are some interesting seeming contradictions. The Sun and Mercury are in an earthy, meticulous, practical, modest sign and are considerably sped up and enlivened by aspect, while the Moon is in a far-seeing, adventurous, buoyant sign and is considerably weighted down and made serious by aspect. I can see what you mean about her sometimes very much resisting change and moving quickly and, other times, doing quite the opposite. Those are some tricky, conflicting natures combining.

              I also noticed that her Venus/Pluto/Neptune are sort of doing their own thing (pulled it up on astro.com, so there aren't as many aspects visible), not connected by major aspects to the rest of the chart, while all the other planets are sort of in one big interconnected network. Her Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio (trine Neptune) is a really striking contrast and added heap of intensity. Her Watery qualities - between the Scorpio, the Pluto, and the Neptune - are so focused on her relationships and in a particularly momentous way, given the transpersonal planet connections. It seems like relationships would be particularly transformative and a spiritual connection to a partner would be sought out and possibly almost required in order to reach a level of trust and intimacy. This all feels as if it would come into effect fairly separately from the rest of her chart. Possibly, this side of her is largely only visible in close relationships (and/or maybe through her creative expression, like her poetry). Relationships and creative expression could be THE channels for the release of a huge umph! of dreamy, spiritual, dark, emotionally turbulent energy.

              At the same time, her Sagittarius Moon exhibits a lot of curiosity about different sorts of people, a need for variety and adventure to achieve a sense of meaningfulness and comfort. But it also (again, Saturn), probably holds back and worries. It's a rather serious Sagittarius Moon, or possibly one that often alternates between heavy sorts of concerns (or even depression) and levity/fun. Possibly, it takes the Moon's goals of achieving nurturing through exploration and obtaining meaningful wisdom very, very seriously. Taking a light, adventurous subject like that so seriously might help to ground it and make self-control and goal achievement more viable, or it might, rather, put a bit of a damper on things, sort of spoiling the fun of freedom and adventure (since it could become such a heavy "have-to" sort of responsibility). I also wonder if the Sun/Jupiter opposition could enhance the latter possibility, as it might make her have a harder time identifying with Sagittarian qualities (same with Sagittarius being in the 7th, if it, indeed, is). They might seem a bit 'other' and hard to reconcile, even though they're very essential to her nature. Also, the 7th House placement plus the Sun-Jupiter opposition could make her seek out other people with/through whom to experience her own Sagittarian qualities. There might be a lot of projection surrounding her Sagittarius stuff.

              Potentially, the combination of vision/exploration (Sagittarius), practicality and perfectionism (Virgo), discipline (Saturn), and energy (Mars aspects, with the added bonus of Mars in Capricorn for extra discipline in REGARDS to actions) could all add up to have really brilliant results, with the ability to visualize something and the ability, effort, and energy to actualize it. If the parts are working together, they could be a really effective team.

              If her Moon/Saturn/Uranus really are in the 7th House of partnerships, her close relationships also have a similar pull between freedom and control/discipline/responsibility that is shown in the rest of her chart. I have both Saturn and Uranus in my 7th House and I feel a great deal of responsibility - occasionally a crippling amount - in regards to relationships. I can take them overly seriously and put off dealing with parts of them that aren't really - or shouldn't really be - big deals, because I'm so worried about doing something incorrectly. Or, alternately, I can commit a huge amount of my time and energy to the needs and plans of my various partners (girlfriend, friends, creative partners) and then become frustrated and resentful that I'm not focused enough on developing myself. That's where Uranus sort of comes in. In the 7th, it wants to be part of a collaborative effort to make a unique impact, but it sort of wants to do it its own way, too. So it wants to derive a sense of individual innovation through its association with someone else, and this is hard to come by, since it requires compromise, which can seem to detract from the individuality of the results. Kind of a catch 22 thing goin' on. With both these planets in the 7th, there's always a tough balance that has to be achieved (or an alternation of focus) between focusing on your responsibility to a partner and resisting the constraints of a partnership. It may feel simultaneously vital and suffocating. And a person may desire for a partner to provide both discipline and liberation. A partnership ought to allow for space and probably can't be confined to a very limiting, typical category in order to be satisfying and maintained. But if it functions in a manner that allows for freedom and the possibility of change, the Saturn/Uranus person probably will be able to be very dedicated to the needs of said relationship. Possibly, an unconventional relationship with an older person (or a more conventional relationship with an unconventional older person) is something of interest and of use. And then add in all the Moon needs, too. Phew!

              I wish I knew about her ascendant/houses (as, I'm sure, do you!), because I have so many of my outer planets (and Mars) in the same Houses, so there'd be a lot more to comment on from personal experience, there! And I'd like to know if my long 7th House ramble is actually applicable!

              Okay, I'm cutting myself off! See how unwieldy my descriptions get, and yet how vague they still are? Anyone who wants to help me with focus and clarity, here, please do!!
            • I may be wrong, but here's an updated list of folks still wanting an interpretation practice:

              bad kitty
              SecSip
              myzil
              gabby
              Rothilda T.
              Holler
              Maria

              I haven't been completely on the ball, so I don't know if everyone on my list here is still waiting, but *bump* nonetheless.
              • I've done myzil's on another tribe. I'll just copy and paste it in here in case anyone else wants to add to it:
                original is here:
                tribes.tribenetwork.com/charti...7417e4f

                "Saturn-Uranus is opposition Mercury. Both these planets are square Mars giving you a T-Square.
                You could look over every aspect in your chart, but if you want a big clue as to the biggest complexes or 'issues' in your life, this is the place to look. I see Tim has addressed this, and like Tim would agree that you do not have two T Squares. You have one T-Square.
                I agree with everything that Tim said about the T-Square, so won't repeat what he's said, but I'll try to add more to it and flesh it out more.
                Mars is in the 5H of sex, children and 'fun and games'. Depending on your circumstances and life situation it is liable that the pressure of this T-Square gets relieved, if not through the more spiritual ends of Pisces, then through the life areas relating to 'boys toys' (mars in 5H) or sex or perhaps your role as a father to children, or your behaviour as a 'big child'.
                Saturn opposition merury, both square Mars suggests that there is a difficulty in communicating your needs which is funnelled into the Martian energy, so perhaps your inability to communicate what you mean invokes anger or competitiveness in your, but being in Pisces essentially weakens this mars and you may end up taking it out on yourself or your children, perhaps through feelings of guilt which is typical of Mars in Pisces (who often feel guilty by their own power).
                I definitely agree with Tim's suggestion of meditation to help deal with your anger, especially meditation that involves controlling your breathing (saturn-mercury) and pursuits like Tai Chi might offer you a good way of controlling your own energy in a constructive manner. There may be a bit of an inferiority complex about that debilitated Mars, and it may be that on some level you feel your masculinity is under threat and you may respond in a more compulsive way to overcompensate for that. I see you're a pretty big guy. Do you work out a lot. This might be related, or it might be one way you deal with your Saturn/Mars square. Pursuits like rugby or marathons or endurance training may help you focus your energies in another manner than meditation. Meditation might offer you greater control and endurance sports or 'stamina needing' sports may help you expand the tempestuousness of these emotions which are likely to spill over in bursts (or outburts), as is common with the saturn mars square.

                One thing that Tim hasn't mentioned but which is a potential 'alarm bell' in your chart is your unaspected Venus. Venus is also important in your chart by being the Descendant Ruler.

                Venus makes absolutely no major aspects to any planet in your natal chart. By and large when a planet is unaspected it acts more 'unconciously'. Because it is unaspected we cannot be sure how it plays out in your life. It may become very strong in your life and may result in laziness, gluttony or 'living the good life'. There may be a difficulty in really taking your finger out (which would be interesting considering the mars t-squre we've just discussed). Your sense of social grace is somewhat less integrated in your chart and this may work eitehr way. You may be less 'aware' of your venusian nature which means that it gets considerable power over you. An unaspected planet is like a loose cannon. We just don't know what its going to do next. By house placement venus is in the 8H suggesting a desire for harmonious sexual encounters (which might actually mean long periods of celibacy) and issues relating to a partner's money or resources may also figure here. It is likely you will gain financially from an inheritance or from your partnerships. It also adds considerable more empathy or compassion to emotional suffering and perhaps this is spilling over from some previous life. "
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    Thu, October 1, 2009 - 5:48 PM
    Paul:

    The first thing that jumps out is obviously the 2 grand trines. And especially the very tight opposition between Pluto and Venus, each of them in the sign of their rulership. So that Scorpio-Taurus opposition seems like it would be intensified, especially with the heavy 8th house. It's also interesting that their both in houses of their own element. So likely a pull between materialism/non-materialism, practicality and emotion... kind of the same theme appearing in the Saturn-Moon square. The 6th/12th house axis is what I consider the axis of "service". But 2 different ideas on how you "serve", one pushing toward an emotional/spiritual type, while the other pushes for a more practical/physical type. Pluto's an extremist and probably wants you to take the dive deep into the 12th house "soul", even if it means leaving behind all things "practical" or material. But Venus in Taurus probably feels very tied to the material world. And, in the 6th house, would make me think that you get pleasure from serving in some practical manner. Neptune's also tied in here tightly, trining Venus. This could be a nice aspect, Neptune being both in an Earth house and sign, might help balance the emotional/non-material with the practical/material.

    The other opposition in this big pattern is Mars and Neptune. Mars on the cusp of Cancer brings up again some friction in the Cancer-Capricorn relationship, which seems like another major theme (with Saturn square Moon). Saturn, in the first house, likely makes you feel a strong need to take on responsibilities, and maybe ignore your emotions in order to deal with them... and, especially in Scorpio could make you feel a need to hide your emotional side from others, to always appear strong and ready to take on some sort of "provider" role. The moon on the IC could also be a strong emotional side that's mostly kept hidden.

    Oh yeah... I was talking about Neptune opposite Mars. This is a tough one for me for some reason... but I'd think that Neptune in the 2nd house would push for a very free-flowing attitude when it comes to possessions/values. But I could see Mars, especially in verbal Gemini, wanting to push your values onto others. Neptune would push you toward compassion for other people's values, and maybe even some vagueness as to what you're values actually are... an ability to shift value systems, in a sense. The fact that it's happening through Capricorn might stabilize that some, though. But I could see you at times vehemently pushing some system of values that you'll likely outgrow or just leave behind yourself. Or maybe pushing a system through speech, even though you don't actually subscribe to that system anyway.

    These 2 oppositions (Pluto-Venus and Mars-Neptune) are tied together through a system of trines and sextiles. The Neptune-Venus-MC trine is that material vs. "spiritual" theme, and it likely helps you to balance those 2 seemingly opposite worlds, allowing your emotional needs to come through in what your career, or at least, pushing you to do so.

    The Jupiter trine sun and sextile Uranus seems pretty lucky. And happening in your financial houses with Jupiter in the 3rd house makes me think that you've got some pretty good luck financially... likely tied to your ability to communicate. There's a focus on the 2nd house, probably a good deal of humanitarianism and idealism when it comes to possessions, with Neptune and Uranus, both singletons there.
    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Fri, October 2, 2009 - 2:01 AM
      Exio

      Great interpretation! You should consider doing this professionally if you don't already

      "So that Scorpio-Taurus opposition seems like it would be intensified"

      ...and also my nodes are in the scorpio-taurus axis, there's just no getting away from it!

      "But 2 different ideas on how you "serve", one pushing toward an emotional/spiritual type, while the other pushes for a more practical/physical type"

      Yeah I'm very often torn between materialism and spirituality and I always look for a balance between them. I'm slowly finding that balance. My wardrobe is bursting with clothes, my book shelves overflowing with books and I like having gadgets and technology that can be quite expensive like my PS3, iMac, iPhone etc (second house uranus?) however I also try value compassion and meditation and empathy. I went through a phase in my late teens of almost asceticism where I only ate in order to survive and spent a great deal of time meditating and had trouble 'staying in my body' if that makes sense. I would sometimes astral travel whilst trying to sleep and have to drag myself back into my body in order to sleep, like my conscious was a helium balloon and I had to tether it to my body. Then in my early twenties i very much found my venus and went the other way (you gotta love oppositions, extremes before balance) and became quite materialistic and self-indulgent with regards food, sensuality, clothes possessions etc, tho I still retained my sense of compassion. In the last couple of years I'm much more balanced with that. I still ike to have things but if I had to get rid of them all it wouldn't bother me. During the summer I gave away about six bin-bags full of clothes to charity shops and also about 150 books (the books were harder).

      "ut I could see Mars, especially in verbal Gemini, wanting to push your values onto others. Neptune would push you toward compassion for other people's values, and maybe even some vagueness as to what you're values actually are... an ability to shift value systems, in a sense."

      I never really push my values onto others. I'm ocassionally impatient with some belief systems that, upon any kind of questioning, appear to collapse like a house of cards. I don't suffer fools gladly, but that is probably more my scorpio rising side. What I do however, is defend the right of others for their beliefs and will get angry when others attempt to push their belief systems onto others. I will however, happily play devil's advocate with people's values and beliefs, argue them from either side, regardless of what I believe myself, in order to ascertain the core truths or convictions and a lot of people seem to confuse you arguing a side, with you actually believing that side, which isn't always true.

      "There's a focus on the 2nd house, probably a good deal of humanitarianism and idealism when it comes to possessions, with Neptune and Uranus, both singletons there."

      I could quite happily sum up my values in two words if I had to Compassion (Neptune) and Freedom (Uranus). I'm pretty relaxed and aloof (with all my air signs probably) and I don't easily lose my temper or rise to anger, however if these values are compromised by people, I can sometimes find it difficult to keep my cool. My sun-mercury is opposition uranus, and mars opposition neptune. I often don't realise how hot-tempered I can get with people who defend what I perceive to be dystopic visions and ideals. For exampel in the UK it is illegal to take photos of police if those photos can be used for terrorist purposes. What defines that 'if' is the police officer's opinion rather than guidelines. So it effecitvely makes it illegal to take photos of police if they don't want you to. There are also HUNDREDS of terrorist laws that get applied to everyone, regardless of whether you are suspected to be a terrorist or not. For example, a police officer can normaly only stop and search you if there is reasonable grounds to do so, the terrorist laws say you can stop and search anyone REGARDLESS of whether there are reasonable grounds. Unfortunately we see police abusing that power all the time. Of course we could film the police and prove that they are abusing their powers, but oh, no, wait we can't, that's illegal. A vicious cycle that gets me very angry. The current governement has effectively begun destroying personal freedom and I get quite riled up by anyone who defends these moves. For example, a police officer friend of ours suggested to me that he wished they made it law to stop and search everyone at any time regardless of suspicion and regardless of that terrorist act. I think all these things push us closer to a police-state. Uranus and Neptune in the house of values, naturally opposes that. The idea that America has imprisoned people without trial and subjected them to torture, imprisoning them indefinitely also makes my blood boil. What angers me more is that I can understand that the guys 'at the top' will try to do their own thing, that's almost expected, but what angers me is when the every day people support it.
      (in fact I'm even a little riled up just typing that. I struggle to remain calm when considering hte implications of the abuse of power)
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    Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Sun, October 4, 2009 - 5:39 PM
    can i be next? id really appreciate it yall...

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    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Mon, October 5, 2009 - 4:05 AM
      "can i be next? id really appreciate it yall... "

      Roy

      Why not do someone elses chart who is waiting on the list that Amiable posted, then ask that they do one for you in return.
      Otherwise its just going to be me, exio and yoda whoever else has done them so far. If you want something, you should be prepared to give something in return. Notice the title of the thread is Chart Interpretation Practice - not Free Chart Interpretations for Everyone.
      Its meant to be practice. If you want to practice, choose someones chart and give it a go! They may return the favour.
      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

        Mon, October 5, 2009 - 4:17 AM
        There was method in my madness ~ Muuuwaaahahahaha! I have been on these threads before, and when I heard you opening this can (rrrr-rrrrr- rrrr), I just knew it had worms. LOL!
        • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

          Mon, October 5, 2009 - 4:23 AM
          "There was method in my madness ~ Muuuwaaahahahaha! I have been on these threads before, and when I heard you opening this can (rrrr-rrrrr- rrrr), I just knew it had worms. LOL!"

          I know!

          Take a normal run of the mill mid-twenties Irish male, add five planets in air, stir, rinse and repeat and you get an overly-idealistic air sign (sometimes unaffectionately called an air-head) who thinks that other people will play the game and give as well as take.

          My aquarian moon still has much to learn about human nature. Its what my scorpio rising knew all along.
    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Mon, October 5, 2009 - 10:06 PM
      I'll do yours Roy, but you have to have a go at mine too, I'm trusting in the honour system!
      First thing I notice is dramatic Leo sun in the 9th- double the drama in your self expression. Trine to Uranus adds the element of surprise.
      Contrast this with your Libra Moon in 11th- you're desperately trying to tone things down and become a true people-pleaser. Squaring an ambitious Mars in the second could make it hard to step up and grab opportunities when they come up.
      Late Scorpio rising is pretty hardcore in terms of first impressions, add Saturn close by and you're only adding to this.

      Now mine please:
      people.tribe.net/41317ed7-...f909d0ba71
      whoops, I meant:
      people.tribe.net/41317ed7-...f479150009
      Don't be shy, there's plenty of resources out there on the web and otherwise!
      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

        Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:25 AM
        Anyone with any level of expertise or experience is welcome to post their opinion.

        I see O Ryan is still waiting on Roy to return the favour.
        • Chart Interpretation Guidelines

          Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:53 AM
          In another thread, amiable reckons I've been too harsh in my opinions. I kind of feel that there are a lot of people here who want their chart read, and there are also some people who have had their chart read but haven't "passed it along" and read someone else.
          The truth is that I'm a little disappointed by that, perhaps unfairly disappointed. I would have hoped that more people would contribute more after they've had their own chart read. Perhaps they have and I'm only noticing those that haven't.
          However amiable offered one interpretation to this that I had considered but perhaps hadn't placed enough emphasis on. Some people may be intimidated to post.

          Let me jsut say that nobody is expected to an expert and we're all at differing levels. We're all just learning too! Even those who practice asttrology for a living will undoubtedly find that there is more to learn on the subject.

          Either way, perhaps some of us could post some rough and basic guidelines on what WE feel is important. Everyone has their own way 'into' the chart and has their own 'weighting' system for what to include in a simplistic reading like we're doing here.
          Here's my guideline. Feel free to take them on board, discard them, add to them or rubbish them.

          1)
          I look at elemental balances. Is one element completely missing or does it only have one planet in it? Chances are this 'unbalance' is important in the person's mental makeup. Having only one planet in an element is a singleton. That planet, for me, gains extra focus, particularly its house position and aspects it makes. Then look to modes and look for the same thing. I place less importance on the modes than I do on the elements. If you want to get a quick 'timbre' to the chart, in a REALLY simplistic way, check what the outstanding element is and the outstanding mode is and put them together to get a sign. So I have more air planets than anything else and more fixity in my chart than any other mode - air + fixity = aquarius. Aquarius is really simplistic 'timbre' to the my chart perhaps. Uranus is a singleton by way of sole fire element sort of supporting that energy in my chart.

          2)
          Check for major aspect patterns. Particularly for T-Squares which is where any two planets which are in opposition also both square another third planet. That other third planet is the focus of the t-square and is likely to be part of a powerful psychological complex in the individual. Often it is quite obvious as well. One example of someone I know is Mercury Opposition Mars both square the Moon. He is someone who describes his relationship with his mother as being one full of arguments and disagreements. Of course there's always more than meets the eye with things like this but it can be a good starting point to starting thinking from. If there are t-squares I'd be surprised if they're not important. After that there may be other aspect patterns like Kites, grand trines and mystic rectangles but t-squares are the 'big one' for me.

          3)
          I see the three 'main' ingredients liek follows: Ascendant is how we approach the world and is important because regardless of everything else we have to live in this world and how we approach that will temper what we expect to find there. The ascendant is important as is the chart ruler (the planet dispositing that sign, so mercury is the chart ruler of a gemini/virgo rising, mars for aries, venus for taurus etc). The house position and aspects that the chart ruler makes is important in building up a picture of the ascendant complex.

          4)
          Look to the sun and moon and aspects made by those planets to any other planet, but particularly outer planets or the chart ruler or any other planet that may have had focus up until now (such as a singleton or focus of a t-square). The aspect alone may adaquately describe the person in very obvious ways but also look to the signs and houses to flesh that out more.

          5)
          Dont' be fatalistic. The chart is one full of potentials. Describe the main ones as best you can and do so with a touch of humility. You may be wrong. Also look for things that repeat themselves. A good indication of repetition in my chart is uranus/aquarius energy. I have Uranus as a singleton. It is also opposition my Sun and is the dispositor of my moon and of my IC. This repetition of energy is most likely to play out in my life. Always consider the good and bad potentials for any planetary position/aspect etc. Do not let your prejudices take over. You may know someone else who is a libra sun in the 4th House and she's a total bitch. Doesn't mean this person will be.

          • Re: Chart Interpretation Guidelines

            Fri, October 9, 2009 - 8:03 AM
            "I see the three 'main' ingredients liek follows: Ascendant is..."

            oops

            only mentioned one of the three 'main ingredients'. By main ingredients I meant sun, moon and ascendant and use the term loosely.
            The Moon is the emotional baggage and describes our basic need and wants. It is how we feel comforted and secure.
            The Sun is our evolving ego and our unfolding of our sense of self. We would all do well to cultivate a good healthy ego, however many new-agey philosophies encourge the abolishment of the ego which i feel is foolish. We must not be egotistical, as in, have our egos rule us however. One astrologer once remarked that we're at our happiest when we have our basic needs met (the moon) and we are using our ascendant complexes (body and approach to the world) to fully realise and develop our potential (sun). (those weren't the exact words, but you get the idea)
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Wed, October 14, 2009 - 4:44 AM
    Anyone wanna give my quincunx-hell of a chart a try, and maybe figure out how I can save my Moon? I think I've only had small parts of it interpreted on here before, but never the whole deal.

    I'll make sure to interpret someone else's chart too, or I'll try atleast.
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Thu, October 15, 2009 - 7:33 AM
    Namaste,
    It is mystery and let it be so.
    OM
    • Ze
      Ze
      offline 15

      Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Fri, October 16, 2009 - 5:48 AM
      Paul & others

      cool thread... and nice interpretations, not just focussing on the details but also on the bigger picture, like missing elements...
      I have almost no air in my chart, but gemini ASC , moon in the 3rd and mercury in the 5th square uranus in the 7th make up for that in my opinion.. still it is really hard for me to be objective

      anyway... i am desperate for a second opinion on my chart, so if anybody has time to do an interpretation.. nice! i'll give feedback

      MY CHART (from my photoalbum)
      images.tribe.net/tribe/upl...c23d37428e

      greetz,
      Giancarlo
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Fri, October 16, 2009 - 10:52 AM
    HI im new on the tribe and I have only seen my chart on line with some general explanations, I would love to have another person do an interpretation. I Was born on August 14th, 1984, In san Jose costa Rica at 7:20 AM. Thank you for your time :)
    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Fri, October 16, 2009 - 11:03 AM
      I'll help amiable out and update the list. Let me know if anyone's done interpretations for each other off of here already and I'll re-update! Any new people feel free to get some interpretation practice, yourselves, by taking a look at charts from the list below...

      bad kitty
      SecSip
      gabby
      Rothilda T.
      Holler
      Maria
      viki
      Roy
      Alex
      Ze
      Anthony
      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

        Fri, October 16, 2009 - 11:10 AM
        viki was done, Rothilda. The rest is the same as my list.
        • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

          Fri, October 16, 2009 - 11:23 AM
          Aha! Thank you!
          • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

            Fri, October 16, 2009 - 11:28 AM
            NP.

            The list seems to be growing, and there is not much action here. LOL.
            • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

              Fri, October 16, 2009 - 11:39 AM
              A fine can of worms we've opened here, lol.

              i can probably do most of the charts on the waiting list, but they'll have to be happy with the basic Kepler-generated natal interpretations rather than have me go around the wheels personally. We should really make this a natal interprettation swapping thing like Paul suggested, as I'd sure like to get some fresh perspectives on my chart even from the point of view of folks who have little experience. Sometimes the experts are blinded by their own conventions, whereas amateurs can reveal things that go missed or under-emphasized by the usual tricks of the trade.

              So, in the interest of making the list shrink instead of grow, I may have to do some Kepler-work. Even the short natal interpretations I do without Kepler's help usually take at least two days and 4-5 hours of attention. I don't know, maybe I should reread the laziness thread, lol...
              • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                Fri, October 16, 2009 - 11:59 AM
                hey Yoda, you did mine... I'll give go at yours! It may take me a few days, I've got company this weekend.
                • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                  Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:06 PM
                  Thanks, FaF! I appreciate it! Whenever you get a chance is fine.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                    Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:12 PM
                    great Yoda!


                    Rothilda T, I was thinking of a similar can o worms. One aspect per individual, maybe the one natal aspect we least understand, or perhaps a transit...astrologers could give an interpretation and compare notes. Seems a little less unwieldy, less time consuming? What do you people think?
              • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:02 PM
                Ha, that's not really lazy, though - it would be a LOT of work to try to tackle much of anything in-depth and you're still offering to put in the work to take a look at a number of charts. I should probably revisit the laziness thread, too, though, because I keep meaning to do another interpretation and, um, not. But I vow to do so soon (this weekend?)! I bet if someone posts a reading it'll kick start things, even if it's a simpler one or a Kepler one. But, yes, I agree, Yoda - it would be interesting to see fresh perspectives from new folks! Hard to get a swap thing going, but we've made a fair amount of progress, regardless.

                I wonder if people would feel more comfortable pitching in if we started a thread (or multiple ones) where we focus on a specific person's chart, as a group, for a little bit, then move on to another person's. Then people could throw out a few ideas without having the pressure of tackling the entire chart (which can take a lot of time and be a bit scary) and it would be more of a dialogue. But I bet that would be an even bigger can of worms, in the end!
                • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                  Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:12 PM
                  That idea of making each chart it's own thread seems enticing, but I think we'll break even in terms of participation; I could be wrong...

                  My Kepler program does all of the work for me, so I might have some fun and give people two natals: one sidereal and the other tropical, and see which one they identify with more. Recently, someone really identified with their Sidereal chart more than their Tropical chart, and so I've gotten curious. Maybe the aspects do trump all, or maybe the sidereal perspective digs up stuff that tropical fails to recognize/emphasize... *Sigh*, Astrology has a lot of moving parts, lol.
        • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

          Tue, October 20, 2009 - 4:10 AM
          "viki was done, Rothilda. The rest is the same as my list. "

          Was Viki done?
          • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

            Tue, October 27, 2009 - 12:44 AM
            Can someone please look at my chart?
            www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi
            • Unsu...
               

              Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

              Tue, October 27, 2009 - 9:54 PM
              I am working on a basic one for Rothilda. I think Bad Kitty unsubscribed? SicSip doesn't know her birth time, so I would really recommend seeking a rectification astrologer.

              FYI, Nicole - your chart image file link doesn't work...
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                Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                Tue, October 27, 2009 - 9:57 PM
                Oh, and Gabby hasn't even been on tribe in ages... I don't think she'd read hers.
                • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                  Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:09 PM
                  Small wonder when they have to wait weeks for a response. Unsubbing is becoming popular.
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                    Unsu...
                     

                    Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:23 PM
                    Well, if they want theirs read they should do a quid pro quo, as already mentioned. Obviously they don't read the whole thread and think, "me, me, me." People take too much on this tribe and don't give back, or practice for other people rather than just themselves. I get tired of constantly spitting out info, while very few people want to share their expertise. I'm not talking about just this thread, and I knew it would turn out this way, but just in general. The same is true of the tarot tribe. Maybe THAT'S why many of the advanced astrologers have left. If you've noticed, the tarot tribe is dead also. No one likes to be a free divination source.

                    I'm still working on Rathilda's... I am always working on friends' charts in concert with stuff online. Horaries out my ears...
                    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 10:54 PM
                      If I knew how to read a chart, then I would gladly be willing to interpret someone's chart in exchange for mine, but I don't. It was a simple question and a simple, "no, it doesn't work that way here", would have been a more appropriate answer, don't you think? My intention was never to take anything from this tribe. I'm not a "me, me, me" person and if you are tired of spitting out info, then don't. Simple as that.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                    Thu, October 29, 2009 - 2:30 AM
                    Amiable

                    "Small wonder when they have to wait weeks for a response. Unsubbing is becoming popular. "

                    I wouldn't like to think that the only reason people subbed to this tribe in the first place was to get a free reading. Were that true, then you can only assume they would have unsubbed straight after.

                    What I don't understand right now is that there seems to be a general air of "I'm bored cos we're not talking astrology" that is going on on this tribe in the last couple of weeks, and almost certainly you are one of these people (though there are others). But this very thread is designed to prevent any 'stagnation' of astrology. We could all talk astrology til the cows come home (and then talk astrology to them) but of course eventually speaking but not doing will eventually become tired. We all love astrology. lets take that as a fact cos we're all posting here. Why not attempt to interpret a chart, offer suggestions, speculate on aspects etc and see where it leads us. If you (or anyone else) is bored with this tribe, its certainly not because there is no opportunity to discuss astrology. After all anyone can post a new topic on anything astrologically related whatsoever that they like, including yourself. Also if you want a chance to practice what you know, then this thread is perfect.



                    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 11:04 PM
                      It's not fair to assume anything about anyone you don't know. By assuming, you are taking the chance of being wrong, and in this case, your wrong. I did in fact try to change my subject after realizing I should of just clicked respond to this post, but couldn't figure out how to do it. I visit this tribe ebery couple of months in my spare time because astrology is interesting to me but I am by far an expert on the subject itself and also on the way people post here. I don't visit here enough to get bored with anything on here, but it seems to me maybe you are. People seem to be a bit up-tight in this tribe if you ask me...
                      • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

                        Fri, October 30, 2009 - 1:42 AM
                        Beutfull

                        Not sure what's going on. I might have missed a post.

                        Just to clarify, this thread isn't a "Give me a free reading" post. It is a chance to share our astrological knowledge and practice that knowledge upon one another. One presumes you know SOMETHING about astrology. Of course you may not know as much as someone else, or know more than others. That's not important. What's being asked is that you give your impression (whatever you do know) on someones chart and then they should return the favour.
                        I hope that makes sense! It's just that for a while there it was the same people giving other people readings. Best way is to kind of 'swap' readings with someone. There's loads who want readings. It might also help you learn more when they provide feedback!
  • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

    Wed, December 2, 2009 - 6:47 PM
    I'm unable to interpret my t-squares objectively, any insights? I do return the favor.

    Thanks!
    • Re: Chart Intrepretation - Practice

      Wed, December 2, 2009 - 7:23 PM
      First quick thoughts are this... sense of security of family/friends vs. embarking on the world and a desire to leave a mark... sense of identity/independence vs. partnerships. I think a struggle between independence and dependence... wanting a support system, but also wanting independence, maybe feeling somewhat restricted by support systems (family/close friends), but at the same time, kind of lost without them... maybe feeling strong family ties, but feeling that those ties hamper your success.

      Right now, I have to go to bed. I'll maybe look again tomorrow (or soon) and try to come up with something more definite.

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