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I just came across this, and, to me, it makes alot of sense:
www.guidingstar.com/Articles...hips.html
I've been trying to make sense of some of the discrepancies in rulerships for awhile now. Some time ago, I came across the idea that the planet rulerships began with Leo and Cancer, Sun and Moon, then went backward thru the signs from there in the order of planets' distance from the sun... so it looked like the lunar rulerships in this model. They assigned Eris to Libra and an 11th, yet undiscovered, planet to Virgo. It made sense to me, but there was still something about it that didn't make sense. But, using Eris and an undiscovered planet in the Solar/Lunar model seems to make sense of that.
There are definitely pieces of the article that I disagree with, but the general idea makes sense to me.
Just wanted to share. What do you guys think?
www.guidingstar.com/Articles...hips.html
I've been trying to make sense of some of the discrepancies in rulerships for awhile now. Some time ago, I came across the idea that the planet rulerships began with Leo and Cancer, Sun and Moon, then went backward thru the signs from there in the order of planets' distance from the sun... so it looked like the lunar rulerships in this model. They assigned Eris to Libra and an 11th, yet undiscovered, planet to Virgo. It made sense to me, but there was still something about it that didn't make sense. But, using Eris and an undiscovered planet in the Solar/Lunar model seems to make sense of that.
There are definitely pieces of the article that I disagree with, but the general idea makes sense to me.
Just wanted to share. What do you guys think?
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Unsu...
Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 3:51 PMthe last three paragraphs are just the guy's hypothesis he is pitching.
The system works excellent when using parts of fortune and the others.
Actually , I tend to think in the way of planetary pairs and use the outer planet in addition with the ancient rulers .
Works well with horary to use the pairs rather than adding the newer rulers.
thanks for sharing.
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 6:50 AM
I am not sure if I can see a transneptunian dwarf planet like eris ruling libra
I wonder about the other transneptunian dwarf planets, Haumea and Makemake. do they get sign rulerships too.
what about asteroid dwarf planet Ceres?
I am thinking of just using just the traditional rulerships and not the modern rulerships, and I think that they work well with the whole sign house system. They were designed that way any way. Ptolemy used aspects by sign and not by geometrical angle.
The outerplanets and the transneptunians complicate that. whole sign aspects don't work with those objects. -
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 8:36 AMI don't think that just because astronomers have decided to label certain things "dwarf" planet and put them in the same class that that makes it true. Eris and Pluto are the largest "dwarf planets".
Supposedly, Carl Payne Tobey knew of Eris' existence, including it's distance from the sun and the length of it's orbit, before it was discovered. And, according to him, there's another planet about 16 Billion miles from the sun (twice as far as Eris). I haven't read the book, but he apparently used math provided by astrology to predict this. He gave Eris (what he called Planet Y) rulership of Taurus. -
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 8:40 AMAnd "Planet Z", the planet beyond Eris, rulership of Gemini... because he used a Leo 1st house system... which would be the same as the Solar rulerships listed here.
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 7:06 PM
yeah and
Makemake and Haumea aren't actually little rocks either though
those are the 3rd and 4th largest dwarf planets
what sources show about Tobey's knowledge of Eris' existence
Sedna has the greatest average distance of any object. It will soon be a dwarf planet too. It's definitely larger than asteroid dwarf planet, Ceres.
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 7:13 PM
btw,
a lot of of hypothetical transneptunian objects were thought to exist
Carl Payne Tobey wasn't the only person to theorize about hypothetical transneptunian planets.
Alfred Witte did that too............hypothetical transneptunians are used in Uranian Astrology
The Unknown Planets
Theosophists George Sutcliffe and Geoffrey Hodson made a unique investigation of our solar system in 1929.
Hodson saw streams of pranic-magnetic energy flowing out from the Sun's magnetic equator to 12 planets via their magnetic poles and then back from their magnetic equators to the Sun's magnetic poles. This is the "circulation of 'blood'" of our system, probably in the period of a sunspot cycle(a little over 11 years).
He "saw" two planets beyond Neptune(he did not see Pluto or the asteroids as sun-linked) at 18° to 20° Scorpio(the nearer one, MORYA) and at 15° Virgo(the farther one, LION).
He "saw" also two planets not visible to usual sight. The first one(VULCAN) revolves within the orbit of Mercury and radiates or reflects only deep infrared radiation. The other one is normally in the inner part of the belt of asteroids just beyond Mars and is "etheric" or plasmic. (from The Unknown Planets, page 5)
The book then goes on to explain a host of other hypothetical bodies seen or determined by mystics and astronomers alike. Below are the main bodies described or discussed. Tables will be included for some of them.
Vulcan: According to Sutcliffe, Vulcan has a mean period of 25.2883 days(Weston's work on it is erroneous), and is never more than 10° before or after the Sun in the zodiac.
Lucifer or Rex: invisible lunar body located between Mars and Jupiter, a highly elliptical orbit swinging in both the orbits of Mars and Earth, with a period of 40 months.
Sigma: lunar etheric body located between Jupiter and Saturn, having a period of 13.93 years, with a 0.26 eccentricity, and having to do with KARMA.
Jason/Chiron: discovered in 1977. Click here
Kaid: revolves retrograde in a period of 144 years according to Iranian astrology.
Pan: located just beyond Pluto with a period of 330 years. Malefic in nature. Disputes.
1892-1920 Aquarius, 1920 to 1948 Pisces, 1948 to 1976 Aries
1976 to 2004 Taurus, 2004 to 2032 Gemini
Isis: located beyond Pluto with a period of 360 years. Linked to Aries/Sagittarius and the principle of spiritual victory.
1907 to 1937 Aries, 1937 to 1967 Taurus, 1967 to 1997 Gemini, 1997-2027 Cancer
Uranians: 8 planetoids(transplutonians) from the Hamburg school in Germany: Cupido, Hades, Zeus, Kronos, Apollon, Admetus, Vulkanus, Poseidon, with orbits varying from 260 to 725 years. Click here
Morya: major planet beyond Pluto with a period of 625 years. Linked to Libra and the principles of acceptance, endurance, and transmutation. Now(2004) at 29° Sagittarius.
1900 to 1949 Scorpio, 1949 to 2005 Sagittarius, 2006+ Capricorn
Hermes: planet with a period of 840 years. Associated with career matters, mental brilliance, and change. 1881 to 1943 Aquarius, 1943 to 2004 Pisces, 2004 to 2065 Aries
Osiris: planet with a period of 990 years. Linked to Taurus and associated with the resolution of inner conflicts. 1896 to 1977 Libra, 1978 to 2059 Scorpio
Midas: planet with a period of 1140 years. Associated with fortune and wealth with little effort. 1888 to 1983 Taurus, 1983 to 2076 Gemini. Is now(2004) at 6° Gemeni.
Lion: planet with a period of 1515 years. Linked to Virgo and associated with civilization, culture, and monuments. 1866 to 1992 Virgo, 1992 to 2118 Libra Is now(2004) at 2° Libra.
F: planet with a period of 2200 years. Associated with the gathering of racial stocks. 1906 to 1917(28-29° Pisces), 1917 to 2010(0-15° Aries)Now(2004) at 14° Aries.
G: planet with a period of 5659 years. Suprapersonal or generic in nature.
1906 to 2031(22-29° Virgo), 2031=0° Libra. Now(2004) at 28° Virgo.
Q: sun's twin companion located at 875 AU with a period of 25,900 years. 6% of the Sun's mass, inclination to the eclpitic of 86°, eccentricity 0.54, at 6° Cancer in 1900 and 7.5° Cancer in 2000. Associated with the Soul level of human life.
2850 BC= 0° Taurus, 690 BC= 0° Gemini, 1468 AD= 0° Cancer, 1828 AD= 5° Cancer
1900 AD= 6° Cancer, 1972 AD= 7° Cancer, 2044 AD= 8°Cancer, 3628 AD= 0° Leo
R: sun's third companion with a period of 250,000 years. 3% of the Sun's mass and associated with the Monad level of human life. Position unknown.
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 7:23 PM
I think of Eris and Pluto as the Saturn and Jupiter of the dwarf planets in regards to their size
dwarf planet candidates are Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion. There are many more to follow.
The gas giants, Saturn,Jupiter,Uranus,and Neptune are far larger than the their fellow planets, Earth,Mars,Venus,Mercury
don't forget that Ceres was once classed as a planet. The same with Pallas,Vesta,and Juno. All 4 were classed as planets and they were given new classifications after astronomers found more objects like them. Astraea was the 5th asteroid discovered, and that was around 40 years after the discovery of the 4th one.
It is now found that Ceres,Pallas,and Vesta are actually protoplanets.
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 7:34 PM
here is stuff on Ceres,Pallas,and Vesta being protoplanets
www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personn...esta.pdf
cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archiv...02.aspx
Makemake
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make..._planet%29
Haumea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haum..._planet%29
Haumea is found to have been actually larger but fragments of it broke off to form independently orbiting transneptunian objects and its 2 satellites
There is definitely a lot more knowledge about the solar system now
like Chiron is not some outsider from another solar system. It's now known that it has over 60 other objects, and they have their origins in the kuiper belt which was discovered in 1992. The 2nd centaur,Pholus discovered and the 2nd transneptunian, 1992 QB1 discovered were the both discovered in 1992.
so it makes sense for astronomers to give Pluto another classification just like they did with Ceres,Pallas,Vesta,and Juno. Technically, Pluto is a kuiper belt object. It is one of thousands of kuiper belt objects. Its mass is not even close to being big enough to even clear the kuiper belt region. The same with Ceres. -
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 7:42 PM
so it makes sense for astronomers to give Pluto another classification just like they did with Ceres,Pallas,Vesta,and Juno. Technically, Pluto is a kuiper belt object. It is one of thousands of kuiper belt objects. Its mass is not even close to being big enough to even clear the kuiper belt region. The same with Ceres."
I meant...the same with Eris
also Ceres is not massive enough to clear the asteroid belt. Therefore even though it has hydrostatic equilibrium which makes it possible for it to be round, it doesn't get classed as a planet.
the relative large sizes of objects are what helps them get into hydrostatic equilibrium to lead to roundness. In a way, size does matter when it comes to objects in Astronomy.
asteroids can get into hydrostatic equilibrium in smaller size compared to transneptunian objects. Asteroids are rocky objects. Transneptunians are composed of rock and ice. That includes the largest dwarf planets, Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea
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Unsu...
Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 7:34 PMThis person has two works in his citation. I think that he might want to give it a little bit more effort before we all go around saying Uranus rules Capricorn in a night chart. I'd especially like to see some concrete examples, because I don't even "know" that Uranus should rule over Aquarius. I always give it as a co-ruler, if anything.
"Uranian changes in your environment"... yeah, that's called the midlife crises, and guess what? All of us go through it, not just Cap. It's a Uranus-Uranus opposition. -
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Re: Solar/Lunar rulerships
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 7:36 PM
Teresa,
great points
also other planetary transits are involved in mid-life crises
Pluto square Pluto
Neptune square Neptune
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