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I have a loose Moon-Mercury square with an orb of about 4 degrees.
Yes, my attention does wander sometimes...and usually it's because my own emotions distract me. I used to meet an above average number of people with the same aspect, but in different signs or houses. Usually the other people had a much tighter aspect than I did, often within 2 degrees. They had blatant symptoms similar to ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) which were somewhat bad at times. Through my knowledge of my own similar but attenuated problem, I tried to help these people overcome their problem, and to a large degree I was quite successful at this, and the relationships were positive, productive, and progressive.
My own Moon is in Scorpio, and my Mercury is in Aquarius.
It seems that I have a conflict between being cool and logical vs. being passionate, brooding, and emotionally intense.
I knew one person with Moon in Pisces and Mercury in Gemini. Her square was exact, and I think the mutable signs contributed to her lack of concentration. She was quite "spacey" at times. She was like a balloon. She had a tendency to gradually float up to the ceiling, and you had to give her string a tug now and then and bring her back down.
I know another person with Moon in Aries and Mercury in Capricorn (the square again).
He is the most easily distracted person I know. There is a curious contradiction to his behavior, as he seems to overcompensate for it by beating certain topics to death. He also once read soemthing controversial a diet-book, and proceeded to religiously follow that diet without ever accepting any other point of view! It seems that he is aware of lack of ability to make his mind and heart work together, and his lack of focus...so he chooses to be obsessive about some things to prove to himself that he can keep to a program. I have discovered that while you can never make him stop talking, all you have do is mention another topic he is interested in and you can easily steer his concentration like a plane circling an airport. LOL!
It seems to me that Moon square Mercury might be classic "head vs. heart" conflict.
I have read that itis best to focus on the aspect through Mercury rather than the Moon, or maybe to focus on the Moon through the house and sign of Mercury. This would allow a person to be concious of his feelings withou being so much at the mercy of them. This also takes some compromise on Mercury's part, because the square aspect makes Mercury somewhat intellectually indifferent to the emotions of the Moon Sign.
Does anyone have this aspect, or have experience with people who have it?
Does anyone know a person with classic symptoms of ADD, and if so is it possible you could obtain their chart and examine the relationship between the Moon and Mercury?
It occurs to me that Neptune could also play a role in a person who has problems with mental focus. I'd be interested to compare other hard aspects to Mercury, and see if any of the classic "disorders" are reflected by them. My current girlfriend has Moon square Neptune within 2 degrees, and she is way too romantic for her own good. Dreamy Neptune is in idealistic Saggitarius, and she has a tendency to become too excited and optimistic, and later she becomes deflated and depressed. So it seems that Neptune in Sagg contributes to manic emotions when in hard aspect to the Moon.
I find that most people learn to work with these squares over time, and they even become very talented and wise by gradually confronting the challenges. Being that the Moon and Mercury are both personal planets and play huge roles in personal relationships, the challenges almost always come through other people. People with Moon/Mercury squares are often somewhat reclusive because they can think much better when they are alone, or it's easier remain in control of their emotions that way.
I'd like to hear about some similar experiences.
Yes, my attention does wander sometimes...and usually it's because my own emotions distract me. I used to meet an above average number of people with the same aspect, but in different signs or houses. Usually the other people had a much tighter aspect than I did, often within 2 degrees. They had blatant symptoms similar to ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) which were somewhat bad at times. Through my knowledge of my own similar but attenuated problem, I tried to help these people overcome their problem, and to a large degree I was quite successful at this, and the relationships were positive, productive, and progressive.
My own Moon is in Scorpio, and my Mercury is in Aquarius.
It seems that I have a conflict between being cool and logical vs. being passionate, brooding, and emotionally intense.
I knew one person with Moon in Pisces and Mercury in Gemini. Her square was exact, and I think the mutable signs contributed to her lack of concentration. She was quite "spacey" at times. She was like a balloon. She had a tendency to gradually float up to the ceiling, and you had to give her string a tug now and then and bring her back down.
I know another person with Moon in Aries and Mercury in Capricorn (the square again).
He is the most easily distracted person I know. There is a curious contradiction to his behavior, as he seems to overcompensate for it by beating certain topics to death. He also once read soemthing controversial a diet-book, and proceeded to religiously follow that diet without ever accepting any other point of view! It seems that he is aware of lack of ability to make his mind and heart work together, and his lack of focus...so he chooses to be obsessive about some things to prove to himself that he can keep to a program. I have discovered that while you can never make him stop talking, all you have do is mention another topic he is interested in and you can easily steer his concentration like a plane circling an airport. LOL!
It seems to me that Moon square Mercury might be classic "head vs. heart" conflict.
I have read that itis best to focus on the aspect through Mercury rather than the Moon, or maybe to focus on the Moon through the house and sign of Mercury. This would allow a person to be concious of his feelings withou being so much at the mercy of them. This also takes some compromise on Mercury's part, because the square aspect makes Mercury somewhat intellectually indifferent to the emotions of the Moon Sign.
Does anyone have this aspect, or have experience with people who have it?
Does anyone know a person with classic symptoms of ADD, and if so is it possible you could obtain their chart and examine the relationship between the Moon and Mercury?
It occurs to me that Neptune could also play a role in a person who has problems with mental focus. I'd be interested to compare other hard aspects to Mercury, and see if any of the classic "disorders" are reflected by them. My current girlfriend has Moon square Neptune within 2 degrees, and she is way too romantic for her own good. Dreamy Neptune is in idealistic Saggitarius, and she has a tendency to become too excited and optimistic, and later she becomes deflated and depressed. So it seems that Neptune in Sagg contributes to manic emotions when in hard aspect to the Moon.
I find that most people learn to work with these squares over time, and they even become very talented and wise by gradually confronting the challenges. Being that the Moon and Mercury are both personal planets and play huge roles in personal relationships, the challenges almost always come through other people. People with Moon/Mercury squares are often somewhat reclusive because they can think much better when they are alone, or it's easier remain in control of their emotions that way.
I'd like to hear about some similar experiences.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Tue, April 3, 2007 - 9:41 AMMy girlfriend has ADD, and because of her I've found out that I have a ton of the ADD symptoms myself. The commonality I've been able to find so far with people is a lot of Mutable energy. When I went with my girlfriend to an ADD support group it was almost like you could feel the Mercury in the air.
Neither of us have our Moons square our Mercuries.
Her aspects to Mercury:
- Mercury Sextile Venus
Oh, I guess that's it for her chart. Here's her info: Dec 9, 1965 at 9:11am in Wichita Falls, TX
My aspects to Mercury (her and I agree that my ADD is less severe):
- Mercury Opposite Saturn
- Mercury Sextile Uranus
- Mercury Conjunct Venus (7 degree orb)
I thought that Saturn might be a culprit with ADD since my Saturn is in Gemini, but that didn't pan out. Saturn doesn't even need to be in a Mutable sign for people to have ADD.
The charts are always very Mutable, though. My girlfriend's got 7 planets in Mutable signs, and three planets in Mutable Houses. My chart has 5 planets in Mutable signs, a Mutable (Gemini) Ascendant, and two planets in Mutable houses (my chart ruler, Mercury, is in Mutable Sag). -
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Tue, April 3, 2007 - 6:12 PMI have a butt load of mutable planets and I am far from being ADD -I am familar with the symptoms and such.
My moon is in a wide orb square about 4-5 degrees to a sag cluster. Moon, Mercury , venus, mars, Jupiter, Pluto in mutable signs.
Jupiter and Saturn is parallel.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Tue, April 3, 2007 - 6:29 PMI have noticed that Mercury in Scorpio has a tendency of being ADD because their mind is always focusing too much on something else..... So relating that to the Moon-Mercury it could show too much thought on self.... All the fixed signs deal with EGO...
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Wed, April 4, 2007 - 10:07 PMADD? Well my elementary teachers thought so but the doctor said no.
Mercury in Libra 21 degrees, 9th house
Moon in Cancer 23 degrees, 6th house conj 7th, (26 degrees), sq Mercury
Mars in Cancer 19 degrees, 6th house, conj moon, sq Mercury, sesq Jupiter
Jupiter in Pisces 4 degrees, 1st house, sesq Mercury and Mars, parallel Mercury
Uranus in Virgo 2 degrees, 7th house, contraparallel Mecury, opposite and contraparallel Jupiter
Ascendant 26 degrees Capricorn, sq Mercury, opposition moon, trine Virgo sun in 8th
I have a tendency to spend a great deal of time alone for the purpose of decompression, emotional rejuvenation, meditation, and creative pursuits. I've learned to deal with people in work environments in a friendly manner but find that I like to "play" a lot! LOL! I swing from extremes, actually. I usually am so focused on any given thing that I can completely tune everything around me out and miss out on the subtle nuances that most people catch. Then when I tune back in to what is going on around me I can be a real joker and throw everyone off and into "play mode." The "happy medium' has been elusive for me but I'm still seeking it. I love to laugh and make other people laugh. But I'm also very responsible in my life for the most part.
Follow-through is my biggest problem in my personal life. With Cardinal squares I see that I can come up with "great ideas" all day, every day but then find myself up to my eyebrows with half-finished projects. I find it interesting that this is only true in my private life. I always follow-through at work or when my projects involve others. Possibly this is from having a Virgo sun. Without someone telling me that such and such needs to be done by X day then I put it off to the ambiguous "tomorrow" that never comes. Deadlines are a blessing for Virgo! It gives us a sense of pupose and urgency that musters all of our focus and energy to complete any given task.
I think that "ADD" is a crock of bull for the most part because it has become a "catch-all" terminology. There are some people who suffer from a high degree of distractability, but that shouldn't always require medication. Many of these people just need to learn to find mental focus somehow. I don't know what each one needs to develop this because the cause of this would differ in each one and so alter the remedy respectively. I do know that all too often medication is suggested, stating that it will "fix the problem," but this is not a responsible recommendation when it is so readily offered after only a preliminary examination. Many patients will just "take their medicine" and shirk the responsibility, or even the desire to have responsility, for their own actions after this pronouncement that they have "ADD" and not seek to find out the cause of their problem. Hence, there is no further growth in them with respect to this part of their mental and emotional development. In my opinion this is a travesty and a gross malpractice in the mental health industry.
Note: I'm sure there are some legitimate cases where medication helps in the area of a true diagnosis of ADD. But the sheer proliferation of cases leads me to suspect the general diagnosis as a whole and seek to discover the deeper causes from a holistic perspective and also to seek a healthier alternative remedy.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Thu, April 5, 2007 - 12:58 AMI agree with you, Deb, on the medication part, but what you've described about yourself sounds like it fits what little I've read on ADD thus far. One of the favorite books of ADD people is Delivered From Distraction, and, once again, what little I've read from it suggests that ADD people need to tap into that creativity that comes from playing. People with ADD do have that push/pull of intense concentration and focus mixed with intense distractability.
Someone from another forum I frequent typed some stuff out from that book:
The Skinny on ADD beginning on page 4.
"The pathology of ADD-its disorderly side-represents only one part of the total picture.
The other part, the part that the DSM-IV and other catalogs of pathology leave out, is the zesty side of ADD. People with ADD have special gifts, even if they are hidden. The most common include originality, creativity, charisma, energy, liveliness, an unusual sense of humor, areas of intellectual brilliance, and spunk.
Some of our most successful entrepreneurs have ADD, as do some of our most creative actors, writers, doctors, scientists, attorneys, architects, athletes, and dynamic people in all walks of life.
Q:What is the typical profile of a person who has ADD?
A: The core symptoms of ADD are excessive distractibility, impulsivity, and restlessness; these can lead both children and adults to underachieve at school, at work, in relationships and marriage, and in all other settings.
In addition, people who have ADD often also exhibit:
Advantageous characteristic:
Many creative talents, usually underdeveloped until the diagnosis is made
Original, out-of-the box thinking
Tendency toward an unusual way of looking at life, a zany sense of humor, an unpredictable approach to anything and everything
Remarkable persistence and resilience, if not stubbornness
Warm-hearted and generous behavior
Highly intuitive style
Disadvantageous characteristics:
Difficulty in turning their great ideas into significant actions.
Difficulty in explaining themselves to others.
Chronic underachievement. They may be floundering in school or at work, or they may achieve at a high level (getting good grades or being president of the company does not rule out the diagnosis of ADHD), but they know they could be achieving at a higher level if only they could “find the key.”
Mood often angry or down in the dumps due to frustration.
Major problems in handling money and making sensible financial plans.
Poor tolerance of frustration.
Inconsistent performance despite great effort. People with ADHD do great one hour and lousy the next, or great one day and lousy the next, regardless of effort and time in preparation. They go from the penthouse to the outhouse in no time at all!
History of being labeled “lazy” or “a spaceshot” or an “attitude problem” by teachers or employers who do not understand what is really going on (i.e., having ADD)
Trouble with organization. Kids with ADD organize by stuffing book bags and closets. Adults organize by putting everything into piles. The piles metastasize, soon covering most available space.
Trouble with time management. People with ADD are terrible at estimating in advance how long a task will take. They typically procrastinate and develop a pattern of getting things done at the last minute.
Search for high stimulation. People with ADD often are drawn to danger or excitement as a means of focusing. They will drive 100 mph in order to think clearly, for example.
Tendency to be a maverick (This can be an advantage or a disadvantage!)
Impatience. People with ADD can’t stand waiting in lines or waiting for others to get the point.
Chronic wandering of the mind or what is called distractibility. Tendency to tune out or drift away in the middle of a page or a conversation. Tendency to change subjects abruptly.
Alternately high empathic and highly unempathic, depending upon the level of attention and engagement.
Poor ability to appreciate own strengths or perceive own short-comings.
Tendency to self-medicate with alcohol or other drugs, or with addictive activities such as gambling, shopping, sexualizing, eating, or risk-taking.
Trouble staying put with one activity until it is done.
Tendency to change channels, change plans, change direction, for no apparent reason.
Failure to learn from mistakes. People with ADD will often use the same strategy that failed them before.
Easily forgetful of their own failings and those of others. They are quick to forgive, in part because they are quick to forget.
Difficulty in reading social cues, which can lead to difficulty in making and keeping friends.
Tendency to get lost in own thoughts, no matter what else might be going on.
Q: Aren’t most people somewhat like this?
A: The diagnosis of ADD is based not upon the presence of these symptoms-which most people have now and then-but upon the intensity and duration of the symptoms. If you have the symptoms intensely, as compared to a group of your peers, and if you have had them all your life, you may have ADD. An apt comparison can be made with depression. While everyone has been sad, not everyone has been depressed. The difference lies in the intensity and the duration of the sadness. So it is with ADD. If you are intensely distractible, and have been forever, you may have ADD."
From page 12:
Q: What is the best treatment for ADD?
A: It varies. The best approach to treating ADD is to follow an individualized, comprehensive plan specifically designed for you, based upon your particular situation and needs. One size does not fit all. Work with your doctor to create the best approach for you (or for your child, or for whomever has the ADD). This plan should always be open to revision. If it doesn’t work, change it.
Q: What are the most common, key ingredients of such a comprehensive plan?
A: I divided the best plan into eight areas, as follows:
1.Diagnosis, as well as identification of talents and strengths
2.Implementation of a five-step plan that promotes the talents and strengths (detailed in chapter 12)
3.Education
4.Changes in lifestyle (e.g., reduce TV and other electronics, increase time with family and friends, increase physical exercise)
5.Structure
6.Counseling of some kind, such as coaching , psychotherapy, career counseling, couples therapy, family therapy
7.Various other therapies that can augment the effectiveness of medication or replace the use of medication altogether, such as an exercise program that stimulates the cerebellum, targeted tutoring, general physical exercise, occupational therapy, and nutritional interventions
8.Medication
Q: In what ways are diagnosis, identification of talents and strengths, and implementation of a plan that promotes talents and strengths part of the treatment?
A: Getting a name for what’s been going on with you usually brings relief. When you get the ADD diagnosis, you can finally shed all those accusatory, “moral” diagnoses, like lazy, weak, undisciplined, or, simply, bad.
The identification of talents and strengths is one of the most important parts of the treatment. People with Add usually know their shortcomings all too well, while their talents and strengths have been camouflaged by what’s been going wrong.
The moment of diagnosis provides a spectacular opportunity to change that. The best way to change a life of frustration into a life of mastery is by developing talents and strengths, not just shoring up weaknesses. Keep the focus on what you are, rather than what you are not. The older you get, the more time you should spend developing what you’re good at. Work with someone who can help identify what you’re good at. In the long run, that’s where you will find fulfillment.
Q: What is the five-step plan that promotes talents and strengths?
A: The first step is to connect-with a teacher, a coach, a mentor, a supervisor, a lover, a friend (and don’t forget God or whatever you spiritual life leads you toward). Once you feel connected, you will feel safe enough to go to step 2, which is to play. In play, you discover your talents and strengths. Play includes any activity in which your brain lights up and you get imaginatively involved. When you find some form of play you like, you do it over and over again; this is step 3, practice. As you practice, you get better; this is step 4, mastery. When you achieve mastery; other people notice and give you recognition; this is step 5. Recognition in turn connects you with the people who recognize and value you, which brings you back to step 1, connect, and deepens the connection.
No matter what your age, you can use this five-step process to promote talents and strengths. Beware, however, of jumping into step 3. That’s the mistake many parents, teachers, coaches, and managers in the workplace make: they demand practice and offer recognition as the reward. This leads to short-term achievement but fatigue and burnout in the long run.
For the cycle to run indefinitely and passionately, it must generate its own enthusiasm and energy, not be prodded by external motivators. To do that, the cycle must start in connection and play.
Q: Why is education part of the treatment?
A: Treatment really means learning how to fit the brain you have into the world most enthusiastically and constructively. The diagnosis becomes therapeutic through education-learning what ADD is in your case. Diagnosis means “to know through.” As you learn about your mind, and as you learn how ADD has affected your life, you gradually “know through” this condition, how it lives in you. The more you know about the kind of mind you have-whether or not you call it ADD-the better able you will be to improve your life.
Furthermore, the process of education will help identify you talents and strengths, or your potential talents and strengths. Take time, look hard, and get help in identifying these. You may not be able to see them yourself. People who have ADD often don’t think they have any talents or strengths.
If there were but one rule for ADD it would be this: Find out what you’re good at, and do it. Or, as my brother-in-law who is a teaching golf pro says, “Forget what the books say. Just do what you need to do to put the ball in the hole.”
Q: What if you’re not good at anything, or what if what you’re good at is illegal, dangerous, or simply lacking in any social value, like playing Nintendo?
A: Everyone has the seed of a talent. Everyone has some interest that can be turned into a skill that is legal, reasonably safe, and has value both to the person and to society. Everyone. The work of ADD is to find that talent or interest. It may be hidden or camouflaged. For example, if the activity you’re good at is selling drugs, well, that means you have entrepreneurial and sales talents and interests that could be plugged into some legal venture. If the activity you’re good at is driving down the highway at 110 mph, then you may have a career in some risk-filled, highly stimulating arena like investing on the commodities exchange or being an investigative reporter. If what you’re good at has no social value, like playing Nintendo, you might want to get a job at a computer-game store, or you might want to take a course in designing computer games.
The germ of a great career often lies hidden in the illegal, dangerous, or useless activities we love. Look for that germ cell. If you can’t find it, get someone else to help you look.”
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Sorry that's so long. I don't mean to spam, but I found it to be fascinating reading. I thought I might be a little ADD after talking with my girlfriend, but reading this stuff really made me pay attention to it (in that it kind of confirms what life is teaching me anyway). As you can see, his 5-Step Plan doesn't talk about drug use.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Wed, April 4, 2007 - 10:45 PMI have Moon square Mercury within 2 degrees. Mercury in Scorpio in the 4th conj. I.C., Moon in Aquarius in the 6th conj. desc. Also, Sun conj. Neptune. Not attention deficit (to the best of my knowledge). More attention selective. I like to keep things on a "need to know" basis, for the most part, and so I do tend to tune out of conversations that really aren't offering anything. "Background noise" conversations-meaningless chatter-all of the rest of the garbage that people try to throw at you. More self preservation than anything else originally. I needed to be able to tune out. Now, it's just a convenient skill to have when dealing with door to door salespeople .
Problems with background noise in general, really. Drove me nuts when I started working at the school I'm currently at. Went from having the entire basement of a house as my studio to having 8 other (un-sound-proofed) studios besides mine clumped into a unit in a plaza. Had to go where the students were. The first room I worked in had guitar lessons going on on the other side of one wall (of the electric persuasion). violin and voice in the 2 rooms adjacent to another wall, and the teacher entrance outside the studio door. Obviously, I've since moved myself to a quieter section of the school. Beyond that, though, I just have a very deep appreciation for silence. In all honesty, there are a hell of a lot worse ways to spend your life than being surrounded pretty much every waking hour of your day by music, but the space between the notes is just as important as as the sound itself. Same thing with living in the city, I like being close to everything, but at the same time would love it if everyone just turned everything off for about an hour every night, say between 2 and 3 a.m. I know it's not going to happen, but in a perfect world...
I do tend to forget things as well. Just too many things going on at once most of the time.
As far as the emotional element of moon-mercury goes, I am analytical of emotions, my own and other people's. Consider the signs that they're occupying, though. It's unavoidable. It's a "reading between the lines" thing too. Sifting out the false emotion, if you will. Finding the root of it.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Thu, April 5, 2007 - 3:16 PMThank you so much for posting that very insightful and encouraging piece on ADD. I particularly liked the alternative therapy approach by using behavioral modification techniques in dealing with ADD.
I admit that I have ALL OF THE SYMPTOMS! I know that I have this condition, but shun the connotative stereotypes that marginalize persons who suffer from it. I don't see it as a "mental deficiency or illness," but rather as a different expression and outlook of my mental processes. Yes, patience and discipline is required to reap the benefits of being unique and different from "the norm." There is an enormous amount of energy that courses through me on all levels and I am keenly aware, embarrassed, and ashamed for not having maximized my own potential, especially given my age, (44).
I actually have a genius IQ though I don't tell anyone this because I live in relative obscurity and on the brink of poverty despite my having extraordinary talent and a creative mind. The rub is that all of these "gifts" did not come with either instructions or confidence in developing them on my own. I have no idea how to get from A to B regarding "the polished product and presentation" of my own creations. But after reading what you've posted I can see that a mentor, teacher, or lover, (if I could be so lucky! LOL!), would be the best choice to help bring my production up to a level that others can enjoy what I bring to the table, universally speaking. I know that I wasn't given these gifts for my own sake, but to bring pleasure and enjoyment to others.
North node in Leo in the 7th. I console myself with the thought that maybe the "slow development" was my karma to work through due to Saturn conj the south node in Aquarius in the 1st.
Anyway,... thanks again for the post. I've actually already taken most of the recommended steps he proposes on my own. The one thing missing is "the mentor." Perhaps in the near future this person will come when I'm ready for them. (I'm ready! Hello, universe! Need some help, here! ) : ) -
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Response to Deb
Thu, April 5, 2007 - 4:58 PMAll of that resonates with me as well. The genius IQ, the late bloomer status (I'm a Capricorn with Saturn in the 1st), the squeaking out a living, etc. Prior to learning of ADD, I just attributed it to my Mutable qualities, especially my figetty Gemini Ascendant. I'm very artistic myself, so playing is not only appealing, but seems right to me.
I'm pretty sure I'd be fine not knowing about ADD as long as I knew about astrology. both kind of provide a definition of the energies inside of me, so to me they work equally well. -
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Thu, April 5, 2007 - 5:16 PMWell said, Santa!
Astrology is an excellent option for dealing with these energies. There is both a description and a prescription for anything that "ails you!" LOL! As for the clinical approach to dealing with ADD,... if everyone who was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD chose to follow the above mentioned course of intervention then the world would be a happier, sanier, more productive and harmonious place.
I believe that assigning ADD/ADHD to the DSM gives society a negative perspective of the gifted. It is a shame that society has decided to marginalize their most sensitive and creative minds into a corner and try their best to "normalize them." What will history say of us and our choices in 50 years from now? We really missed the boat! These kids, (and adults), were meant to help solve our present problems. They had the energy, the focus, and the ability to "think outside of the box" in order to address our most critical problems but we shut them down because we had already "bought our ticket on the speeding train to obliviion!"
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Re: Response to Deb
Thu, April 5, 2007 - 5:33 PMMany Pisces are lala landers and they still get quite a bit done, especially artistically.
My mom's a famous writer and she can talk about fifty different topics in five minutes. She hardly ever has a constant conversation with anyone and its a norm to be say to her hey, what were you talking about! Not that it works because she usually strays to five other things when she gets back to what she was talking about. Still she's really succesful and always has been good at school and her career, etc. and is a great writer/speaker...and very entertaining LOL. She pretty much talks for a living. I always say she should start promoting products, she can make someones own poop seem like the best thing in the world and worth their every penny. There's no way she would be like this now if she was medicated while she was young (and there was no chance she would have been because most Africans don't believe there's such a thing as ADD).
I totally agree that most people labeled as ADD people just have a lot of energy, especially mental energy. They need to get these kids outside of the house and running around or into creative activities. Instead parents and society are just lazy. And the doctors are just whores for the pharmaceutical companies. Not even going to get started on that one... -
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Thu, April 5, 2007 - 5:42 PMLOL! I want to get paid to talk for a living! Hahahha! Sounds like your mom is a real character, Uranus in Pisces. I bet she's a real hoot at parties. -
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Thu, April 5, 2007 - 5:50 PMLOL, she's a Leo... I don't know her chart. I still have to do it, but I won't know her exact birth time because she was birthed by all these spirtual women and women village leaders in a village in Liberia. But I'm figuring she has some kind of Leo stellium in her third house or Mecury conj. her sun in Leo or something like that. It use to be annoying when I was younger but now its just f*ing halarious.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Fri, April 6, 2007 - 7:03 AM"Not attention deficit (to the best of my knowledge). More attention selective."
interesting that you said that... I remember reading in a book about ADD, the doctor who wrote the book suggested that "attention deficit disorder" is a misnomer, since there really isn't a lack of being able to pay attention, it's more that the attention/focus is inconsistent.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Fri, April 6, 2007 - 7:09 AMI've got clinically diagnosed ADD. I've done a lot of work learning to manage the symptoms. sure does keep things interesting though!
my natal Moon and Mercury are nearly conjunct, so the square theory doesn't apply to me. but the observations about mutable energy make sense... the Moon/Mercury conjunction is in Gemini, and almost all of the planets, ascendant, mc, etc are evenly split between mutable and cardinal signs. -
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Fri, April 6, 2007 - 3:21 PMI'm that way, too. I've only got one fixed placement: Mars in Scorpio. The rest are Cardinal and Mutable.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Fri, April 6, 2007 - 3:52 PMJust a theory here, but I think that Mutable conjunctions and squares of Mercury and the moon will play out differently than Cardinal or Fixed signs.
Cardinal conj or sq would be proactive, seeking to start alot of things, then may find themselves having trouble finishing them. They may have a low frustration threshhold. They could also be the one who starts up conversations that take wild twists and turns, but don't take kindly to interuptions. They could be very inspiring to others, but have trouble with following anyone else's ideas, lead, or suggestions. They can be trailblazers if they learn to follow-through, be open to suggestions, and learn to manage their anger. Exercise in active sports can help with anger management. Spending time in playful social events will help them to learn better socialization skills. Hiking would be good for them to allow their adventurous mind to roam free with their body.
Fixed conj or sq would be less prone to distractions, and more apt to be "stuck in a loop" of continual focus that is hard to shift. They may be extremely near-sighted or far-sighted, and have trouble listening to anyone else's ideas because of reason's of insecurity, pride, or fear of loss of possessions. They can be good at research and development. In the arts they may be too intense, or too impersonal in their presentation, and refuse input from others on how to improve their performance. They need to learn to interact with others in a relaxed, "non-working" environment to balance out their extreme focus and to keep it from becoming an unhealthy obsession. Yoga is a good form of exercise for them to balance their internal energies. Swimming is also good for them to feel their body and mind in a "free" environment. Socialization which requires them to travel away from their familiar environment will help to open up their mind to new perspectives on living and interacting.
Mutable conj or sq would be most prone to having trouble developing a strong ability to focus due to their extreme sensitivity to their environment. They have the gift of receiving loads of input mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and physically, but need solitude to process it. They are unique in that they need less socialization to help with their focus. Meditation rooms are good for them, as well as cabins by the lake, beach houses in a remote setting, or mountain cabins. If they wish to pursue developing their gifts to the fullest potential, then they will need to first learn to control their exposure to the world at large. Not to say they should become hermits, only that they need to ground themselves. Balancing out their outer life and inner life in a way that is conducive to producing an inner quieting of the mind and spirit will help them find focus and purpose.
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 1:03 PMADD??I've never heard of such disorder.U really scared me,here.I also have Mercury square Moon in my chart(Moon in Gemini,Mercury in Pisces),and I'm also incredibly active on the mental level,and have serious problems being concentrated;I've often wondered if I suffered from any mental illness,since I can get totally detached from my environment and just live in my head(courtesy of my Sun,Venus and Mercury,which are under Pisces influence),but I can't say I regret missing out on "having fun" i.e. going to bars,getting drunk,having orgies,smoking all sorts of weird substances,like any "normal" person my age.I can say without any doubt that I haven't met a more logical thinker than I,yet.But,despite being witty,I really feel like I'm about to lose it,sometimes.I can forget some things I've known my whole life with incredible ease.I've read about some aspects that I have which can cause mental disorders(Sun opposition Ascendant-2'03 degrees,Moon conjunct Mars-0'45 degrees,Moon square Mercury-2'58 degrees,Mercury square Mars-2'13 degrees,Mercury square Jupiter-2'48 degrees).
And I've also noticed,although I haven't found any information mentioned about this issue on any site,that all the planets in my chart,except my Sun and Pluto,are in houses which are ruled by the opposite signs of those influencing them,that is:Sun in Pisces,in the 7th house,Moon,Mars,and Jupiter in Gemini,at 0 degree,in the 9th house(house of Sagittarius),Mercury and Venus in Pisces,in the 6th house(house of Virgo),Saturn,Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn,in the 4th house(house of Cancer),and Pluto in Scorpio,in the 3rd house.Would this make me even more mentally-unstable?
And another thing would be that according to the dominant modality in a chart calculations described on www.astrology-numerology.com,my chart is composed entirely of mutable signs,which,I think,also points out instability...
I don't wanna end up in a mental institution....should I get counseling?
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 5:42 PMsounds right...ive got mercury conjunct mars in 2 degrees cancer and then the moon in 3 degrees aries..the moon and mars are in mutual reception...does that explain the hyperactive part of my Attention Defiicit Hyperactive Disorder? -
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 8:55 PMwe are like almost twins!
I have my mercury conjunct mars in 12 degrees cancer and then moon in 18 degree Scorpio, so my mars and moon are in mutual reception!! How's the mutual reception?
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 6:44 PMI have the square. Check my chart, but I think it's a 2 degree orb. Mercury in Virgo, Moon in Gemini. It's a hard aspect...I haven't exactly gotten a hold on any of the squares to my personal planets. I'm often not aware of the problems with them until someone points it out...I'm often told that I'm delusional when it comes to problems/inconsistencies in my speech and thoughts, in that, I refuse to recognize them, or they're my blind spot. I just can't see them, now matter how much I think about it or try to work it out. I'm not aware of the symptoms that come with it, most of the time (it's very unconscious behavior). I blame some of that on the fact that my Moon is conjunct my IC, in my 4th...it's hard to decipher what's instinct from what's just being a pain in the ass.
As for the ADD, perhaps. I don't take traditional classes anymore (purely online at the moment) but when I did, I often found myself slipping out of this world and into my own. I have quite an imagination, but I usually ended up getting lost in my own feelings when I was supposed to be using my mind for the greater good. I don't do romantic relationships (now) for fear of losing control of my emotions. Truly in love, I am very much like a Pisces...very idealistic and dreamy. It's all-encompassing, and something that makes the world go 'round for me. However, when the dream is over, it's hard to find the same enthusiasm to continue it. Once there's problems in the relationship, I can no longer think clearly or operate in a clear and concise way. It becomes muddled, and only clears once the relationship is over. Then the "fog" lifts, but I'm left very much alone.
There's other problems...Moon square Mercury is a bad aspect, but there's worse...I have four total squares between personal planets, if I remember correctly. Moon square Venus. Mars square Mercury. Venus square Mars. Relationships are never easy, nor is focusing or anything else.
As for the Neptune aspects...I have mostly positive ones. I think (not for sure) that it's Sun trine Neptune, Mercury trine Neptune, and Venus trine Neptune. -
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 7:07 PMOops. I was wrong. Indeed, it's a bigger orb than 2 degrees, but still...all remains true that I stated before. -
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Unsu...
Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 7:22 PMhannah,
what you say makes sense to me as i look at your chart. but i think the sun plays a big part here. you have sun conjunct natal mercury retrograde. then on top of that you have your mercury square moon. it's a large orb but the moon the faster planet is moving toward the conjunction so definitely can see its part. -
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Re: Moon/Mercury squares & ADD
Sun, September 23, 2007 - 8:16 AMYes...I read somewhere that a sun/mercury conjunction with an orb of 5 degrees or less makes for a slightly "manic" or neurotic personality. I'm curious about the effects with a Mercury in retrograde, though.
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