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what should I do about a scorpio male stalker?
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  • Re: scorpio stalker

    Thu, August 27, 2009 - 1:17 AM
    Contact him and ask him to leave you alone
    if he doesn't do that consider going to the police. Depends what he's doing. That he's a scorpio shouldn't influence your decision!

    (welcome to astronuts by the way!)
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    Re: scorpio stalker

    Sat, August 29, 2009 - 6:20 PM
    *whistles in wonder about this one*
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      Re: scorpio stalker

      Sat, August 29, 2009 - 7:06 PM
      Scorpios can be a bit intense, esp. Venus in Scorpio!

      It's odd that you'd turn to an astro forum about a stalker. Makes me wonder if it was more about her wanting to check their compatibility...

      People are weird.
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        Re: scorpio stalker

        Sat, August 29, 2009 - 10:41 PM
        Yeah, generally I would think the stalker is the one who keeps the tabs on the astrology. Weird indeed.
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          Sun, August 30, 2009 - 12:07 AM
          I'm not trying to make light of a stalker situation at all but I'm just going to say....

          Often people claim to be stalked on message boards follow by "what should I do" for attention or to appear more desirable for whatever reason. I've seen it on another message board. Chick claims she's being stalked but posted "stalkers" chart to see what was in his (and her) charts to make him stalk her.

          Um....... if really being stalked I wouldn't be worried about what sun sign he was.

          Just saying.............
          Again I'm not making light because it is indeed serious (been there done that with a Gem who raved about Gems and Scorps and how compatible we were) *snort* It's scary to be in that situation.

          I wasn't lucky enough for my Gem stalker to be Paul ; )
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            Re: scorpio stalker

            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:03 AM
            "Um....... if really being stalked I wouldn't be worried about what sun sign he was."

            Yeah : )

            I think it pretty much works like, one conversation, oh you have moon conjunct my mars, interesting. And then, um, uh, weird and increasingly angry voice mails and text messages for no reason, and then realization, : 0 moon conjunct mars : 0? And then terror, no astrology. And then weeks or months later, the thought, ok, so THAT was moon conjunct mars : 0

            I think it works more like that ; )
  • Re: scorpio stalker

    Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:16 AM
    Well, it looks moot to me since the person who posted this didn't hang around for an answer. LOL. Now that could mean a number of things, but maybe we should just think it is poster's remorse.
    • Re: scorpio stalker

      Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:38 AM
      I'm not gonna lie. Scorpio stalk. Yeah... we do. *nods*
      But there's also alot of pride sprinkled with some arrogance that knows when to throw in the towel.

      And lets face it. We are so desirable that we have no need to chase for along time. We have em at us in droves.

      Bwahahahahaha.

      Forgive me. My cold medicince is making me loopy. It's so awesome!!
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        Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:44 AM
        <But there's also alot of pride sprinkled with some arrogance that knows when to throw in the towel.>

        To me, gf, that sounds like Aries. At least the ones I have known.
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          Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:58 AM
          LOL My fiance is an Aries and it's just all arrogance. ALL ego and arrogance. I don't know if there is any room for pride in his over blown head. LOL It's really cute.

          But yes perhaps it's that freaking ascendant thing coming up in me again. *sigh* I'll never figure myself out.
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            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:01 AM
            <But yes perhaps it's that freaking ascendant thing coming up in me again. *sigh* I'll never figure myself out.>

            Well, mel, you can take some consolation in the fact that it is highly unlikely that any of us will really ever figure ourselves out.
  • Re: scorpio stalker

    Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:01 AM
    IGNORE HIM!!! I'm sorry, but unless he's stalking you in real life, or insinuating that he knows where you live, there is no threat. Now, if things get more serious, i suggest you scare him up by threatening to kill one of his family members. Crazy... as hell, i know, but this will show him that he's fucked with someone crazier than him, and he'll back off. Or... you can always lure him to your house, and torture him to death, that's way more fun! LOL! Don't let a measly little stalker scare you, there are way worse things in life to be scared of. I could never be frightened by another human being.
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      Re: scorpio stalker

      Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:21 AM
      "Now, if things get more serious, i suggest you scare him up by threatening to kill one of his family members. Crazy... as hell, i know, but this will show him that he's fucked with someone crazier than him, and he'll back off. "


      BHAHAHAHAAA! That's some funny material. I wouldn't want to mess with you, Aminah! You fight fire with fire. I probably wouldn't threaten family members (maybe just cut off some of his extremities, esp. the smaller members), but I agree, I let no one hold power over me either.
      • Re: scorpio stalker

        Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:38 AM
        Well, if he didn't heed my warning, then his stupid stick would be coming off for sure! God, i am out of my fucking mind... and, i'm only 17!
        • Re: scorpio stalker

          Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:46 AM
          Come to think of it, i wouldn't even attract a stalker, i'm too damn crazy and my aura probably gives me away! But, i think only certain types of women are stalked constantly, women who are always the "Victim" and they give off weakness in their energy. Even worse, women like that usually like being stalked deep down, because they like the attention.
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            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:01 AM
            I agree with that in some ways. I've never been the type to attract stalker types either but as for the Gem well.... Gems are Gems. LOL

            Nah... he creeped me out and seriously scared me for awhile but I stuck to ignoring him (and not anwsering my door when he showed up at 3am) and he got the hint after a month or so. He was just very........ persistant for awhile even though I made it clear it wasnt happening.
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            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:03 AM
            <Even worse, women like that usually like being stalked deep down, because they like the attention.>

            Well, Aminah, I am not so sure about that. I think that it is probably possible to tell the one kind from the other by how quickly they report to the authorities or, as you would do, deal with it themselves.

            I had an interesting experience once. Usually stalkers insinuate themselves oline first and then move to RL stalking. My situation was sort of opposite of that, which actually made it much easier for me to dispatch. I met someone online who lived in Belgium. By the time he started making plans to fly across the ocean to see me, alarm bells were going off. When he got here, it was no better, and after two days ~ and I had parked him in a nearby motel, btw ~ I needed an out. And then I was rescued by an act of God. My son got sick in another state. It was quite easy for me after that to avoid him for the remainder of his stay. I have to say that my mother was instrumental in achieving that. But upon his return to Ghent, he began to cyberstalk me by assuming alts. Fortunately, I was on a site that wasted no time dealing with him, and that was the end of that.

            Sometimes it is hard to discern quite what you are getting into. I never imagined that this fellow I was simply flirting with would travel here from Europe even when I had made it obvious that I thought it was not the best idea. That being the case, though, I was able to quash it all in the end ~ I think, to some extent, due to having Jupiter in the 12th House.
            • Re: scorpio stalker

              Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:11 AM
              See that right there is a serious and scary situation.

              It's the people who cry wolf for the sake of attention (which is more then often the case) is why people drag their feet at believing the situation is out of hand.
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            Re: scorpio stalker

            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:22 AM
            I disagree that women are responsible for attracting stalkers. For one it's way too dangerously close to the notion of blaming rape on a woman's behavior or even her clothing, stalking can turn to rape or murder and I think nobody really knows how often that potential is there merely given the worst of circumstances that the woman manages to evade while being stalked.

            I think a lot of stalkers are most attracted to what they think are qualities like genuine kindness, nurturing compassion, qualities that make it easy for a stalker to feel like it is safe to open their heart. I think a common m.o. of stalkers is their own feeling that they are on the verge of some kind of personal emotional breakthrough, or step forward in terms of social evolution, or even something they think is spiritual in some way.

            I would agree that a woman needs to be aware of how easy it is to affect the heart of someone who is under-developed in some crucial way, but I think that says it right there, it's sad that you just can't be open hearted with everyone, it's sad there can be reasons that is not ok. But I think that's all it is, the sad state of the world incidentally activated in someone, not the fault of some quality inside the woman. I don't think anything makes anyone responsible for anyone else's behavior.
            • Re: scorpio stalker

              Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:26 AM
              <I don't think anything makes anyone responsible for anyone else's behavior.>

              Exactly my point.
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                Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:33 AM
                I was able to maneuver myself out of a situation through subterfuge and conspiracy, to be honest. The tactics were sneaky, but there was nothing even unethical about them, let alone illegal, given the situation. But not every situation has those options. I think we have seen some significant examples of that in the news lately.
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                  Re: scorpio stalker

                  Sun, August 30, 2009 - 4:45 AM
                  Tactics can be necessary sometimes, I think. I hate to be anything other than honest and open with people, but, wow, what really p***** me off is the situation of being backed into a corner for a response that I myself don't honestly have the inner resources, or far more often, finite resources, to be able to respond as if whoever says so is owed my regard for them as if they are a baby. Tactics are the only thing that is left in a situation like that, the mind can do nothing else, and it sure the hell should not have to. But I will still have fought myself like hell not to go there, but they won't know that, no, they think they're trying to love someone who needs to be taught love. Could they be more insane? Love, every kind of love, starts with things like the attention and sensitivity it takes to notice how someone wants you and how they do not. Every stalker lacks that kind of attention and sensitivity.
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                Re: scorpio stalker

                Sun, August 30, 2009 - 12:52 PM
                "I don't think anything makes anyone responsible for anyone else's behavior."

                Some forms of psychological torment or torture would be an exception I see there though. For instance, I think it is right that someone like Charles Manson was convicted of murder. I think it is right his followers were too. I think it is wrong that people involved in things like cyber bullyings that trigger the suicide of an adolescent are not convicted of murder. I am personally hoping the new frontier of the internet will eventually bring about a greater awareness of psychological violence than civilization has yet known.
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                  Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:05 PM
                  Yes, perhaps this should be clarified since it is somewhat ambiguous. For example, victims of the Holocaust were not responsible for the actions of their persecutors. On the other hand, a stalker may well be responsible for being arrested when his target calls the cops.
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                    Re: scorpio stalker

                    Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:14 PM
                    i think humilty is missing here. one can never say that would never happened to me... from my experience i never know what curve balls, or should i say what crazy balls are thrown at me. the idea that one is an island and above everything leads to people who are closed-minded, judgemental and lacking compassion.

                    shit happens, all one can do is to try to take control of situations, as best they can... and if you think the law will protect you, you could be disappointed.

                    true some domestic situations have the women stuck in some kind of psychological turmoil and this leads to people thinking, well all women in these situations are the same... i personally think that is a sucky way to think.
                    • Re: scorpio stalker

                      Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:33 PM
                      Look, some women are victims, and enjoy being that way. If someone wants to take my life, i WILL take theirs first, and that's how it goes. And no, i would not attract someone like that, and if i did, it would their last mistake to ever approach me. I'm sorry, but some women ask for that kind of dumb shit to happen to them, and some women are weak. Not all, but some. What if a woman is running around online, giving away her personal information to anyone just because she wants someone to talk to, and when she meets this person in real life, she turns up dead somewhere two weeks later... is her stupid behavior not supposed to be taken into account? Some people think like victims, and if you think like a victim, you will always be one. If you tell yourself that you will never be a victim, and put that out in the universe, then you will never be in situations like these. Simple.
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                        Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:39 PM
                        I'm not saying that stupid women deserve to be victimized, or that this gives anyone a licence to victimize anyone, but less victimization would happen if these women were less stupid, and more mindful of their behavior.
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                          Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:48 PM
                          'Look, some women are victims, and enjoy being that way. If someone wants to take my life, i WILL take theirs first, and that's how it goes.'

                          Why is so important for you to go round calling 'some' women victims, Aminah? What makes you so convinced that you alone are so invinvcible?

                          And just who is stupid? A man who gets drunk, takes his sick bitterness out of the first convenient target who HAppens to be around - that is stupid. And condoning it is even more sick and stupid.
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                            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:06 PM
                            This isn't about invinciblitly as it is about a mentality. It is a fact, some people think like victims, but women are more likely to fall victim to this mentality. I'm not condoning a damn thing. Imagine if the sky was raining rocks, and you have a hard hat to wear to protect you from those falling rocks. But for some stupid reason, you decide NOT to wear it. So you go outside, and a giant rock falls on your head, giving you a concussion. As you sit in the hospital, you don't see that you could have avoided this accident by wearing your hard hat, but you're just mad at the sky for raining rocks. That's stupid, because you could have prevented it ,and it's the same for a stalker-type situation. Rapists, stalkers, and all types of men that prey on women will always exist, because child abuse will always exist. But, you can easily NOT be one of their victims by being smart, being mentally strong, and keeping your wits about you.
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                        Re: scorpio stalker

                        Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:51 PM
                        true some PEOPLE are victims, but some... so your view is on those some not the rest?

                        true some people need to be more careful and use their brain. and if you take the stalker's life first, well you can but you would give up your life in the process...lol... that is idealistic and nonsensical.

                        i dont consider myself a weak women. i have always been fiercely independent, and i was stalked a couple of yrs. this was a RL stalking, a man i didnt know personally. i was working part-time at a retail store. this guy worked there in another department. i never said more than hello to him in passing before this began. i reported him to human resources and eventually left that job; since the job was extra cash i just moved on. a year later i noticed him everywhere i went, which was strange cause i never saw him in my area before. i went to the police and filed a complaint, i put him in jail. i had to fight for years. stalking laws are state laws and vary. the state i resided in had stalking laws fall under family court, which meant not much of a law if you didnt have a relationship with the stalker. all they gave him was probation, even though i kept locking him up, nothing changed.

                        I had to even fight with the police for months about locking him up to start with. the first time the police locked him up they discovered that he moved 2 blocks from my apartment, and even bought the same car make and model as me. they found over 200 pictures of me in his house that he took long distance, mostly of me walking away so i wouldnt see him. he even had a screensaver of a satelite pic of the place i worked at, and had a list and directions to every house i ever lived at, as well as my mom's address.

                        i eventually relocated. i tried everything, and was tired of not being able to do things without a friend coming along. i dont consider myself weak just in a bad circumstance. and i couldnt go after him and take his life. where would i be? in jail... that's ludicrous. i am not into watching lifetime movies.
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                          Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:17 PM
                          Look, that is a very unfortunate situation, but if i were in your shoes, and that man tried to take my life, i would take his first. The police might look at it as self-defense, they might not, but if my life is in danger, i will do anything i have to do to stay alive. And for me to consider and think too much about the consequences of "Protecting myself", while in that situation, it would get me killed. I would rather be in jail then killed by some psycho.
                      • Re: scorpio stalker

                        Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:51 PM
                        Well, yes & no, Aminah. I know what you mean by some folks "asking for" stuff to happen. I don't think that can really be denied.

                        For example, I am frequently amazed by certain folks (mainly females, btw) here on tribe that scream "foul" about being harassed by trolls and such types; but then I find that they get on their tribes and deliberately bait them. You don't go poking an animal with a stick if you don't want to be bitten. But there they go ~ literally asking for trouble and then complaining about the trouble they get. Such behavior is also seen in other contexts elsewhere, to be sure, and I have met a number of them in my lifetime. An old expression for this is "being a glutton for punishment."

                        On the other hand, if you are minding your own business at a restaurant and a random sniper takes you out, you are certainly a victim, but there is really nothing that you did that made you that way except that you happened to be in the wrong place through no fault of your own. There have already been plenty of examples given here of people truly being victimized, and I don't think that even though you are tough stuff you can be totally immune to being attacked by some whack job when you least expect it. But I don't think that is what you are talking about, and I think that you would grant that it is only common sense that some people really don't deserve what they get. Yet I agree with you that some people do provoke the trouble they get. It is hard to imagine that we all haven't at least seen that happen a few times in our lives.
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                          Re: scorpio stalker

                          Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:16 PM
                          "Well, yes & no, Aminah. I know what you mean by some folks "asking for" stuff to happen. I don't think that can really be denied."

                          I do.
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                            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:23 PM
                            "Well, yes & no, Aminah. I know what you mean by some folks "asking for" stuff to happen. I don't think that can really be denied."

                            "I do."

                            Why, aria?
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                              Re: scorpio stalker

                              Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:32 PM
                              Because, Aminah, I think the kind of "stupidity" you are describing describes the way it "seems" like things happen, i.e. a girl gives out a lot of personal information and someone uses it to attack her in some way and calling that stupidity on her part. But I think the fact is she was merely being an open and trusting human being in the first place, so, to me it's like she isn't "stupid" for being open and trusting, to me it's wonderful that anybody knows how to be open and trusting. A person who is truly being open and trusting, their only intention is to be open and trusting. It is not their intention to be hurt. The attack exists ONLY because of the violence in someone else. It was not asked for.
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                                Re: scorpio stalker

                                Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:41 PM
                                Yeah, can't blame the victim for being victimized, but prevention entails that the open and trusting person knows him or herself well enough to avoid being taken advantage of to some degree. We should empower people with knowledge, but we shouldn't blame people for being stalked just because they made themselves vulnerable.

                                I sort of agree with Aria *and* Aminah: I'm sure there are some ladies who exploit the "damsel in distress" act and put others on ice dishonestly, and I'm sure there are predators who exploit the whole "she led me on and used rape as a ploy for her regrets" thing.
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                                Sun, August 30, 2009 - 2:41 PM
                                "Because, Aminah, I think the kind of "stupidity" you are describing describes the way it "seems" like things happen, i.e. a girl gives out a lot of personal information and someone uses it to attack her in some way and calling that stupidity on her part. But I think the fact is she was merely being an open and trusting human being in the first place, so, to me it's like she isn't "stupid" for being open and trusting, to me it's wonderful that anybody knows how to be open and trusting. A person who is truly being open and trusting, their only intention is to be open and trusting. It is not their intention to be hurt. The attack exists ONLY because of the violence in someone else. It was not asked for."

                                But there is such a thing as being TOO open and trusting, and if you are an "Open and trusting human being", then it stands to reason that you are aware that people prey on people like you, and should take precautions to make sure that doesn't happen, and that you don't become a victim.


                                Personally, i'm not very open and trusting at all. Not because of "Fear" of being victimized, but because it's just who i am. So i cannot understand a person who puts their vulnerabilities on display, and doesn't expect to be victimized. So to me, this kind of behavior is weak, and stupid, so i guess i will never understand where people like you are coming from.
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                                  Re: scorpio stalker

                                  Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:14 PM
                                  "But there is such a thing as being TOO open and trusting, and if you are an "Open and trusting human being", then it stands to reason that you are aware that people prey on people like you, and should take precautions to make sure that doesn't happen, and that you don't become a victim."

                                  I would agree with becoming wiser about the way people are, even if it means the painful discovery that the world is mostly a horrible place and the painful discovery that people are generally somewhere between genuinely disinterested in others and just downright mean. I would not disagree with that. I think unfortunately the world has to now been a place where there is such a thing as needing to give up on the hope that the world will reflect a person's best intentions back to them, easily and readily anyway.

                                  "Personally, i'm not very open and trusting at all. Not because of "Fear" of being victimized, but because it's just who i am. So i cannot understand a person who puts their vulnerabilities on display, and doesn't expect to be victimized. So to me, this kind of behavior is weak, and stupid, so i guess i will never understand where people like you are coming from."

                                  I have known a lot of people very closely and I do think that there are people who are naturally more reserved than others, I do not think that is fear based. I would think maybe from a perspective of a person like yourself what you describe is part of how you feel empathy for people whom you see victimized and that what you describe, awareness, protection, self defense, would be the gift you would want to give to someone who was victimized. If I'm right, I think that is cool of you.

                                  Myself, it goes back to what you and Partha said about never letting anyone take your power away. Like, for me, if I were to ever let my experience of the world convince me to never let myself be as open and trusting as I can be, I would know I had let the world take away my power.
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                                    Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:33 PM
                                    For me, i came to that realization of the world at a young age. As a baby, i was always VERY aware of what goes on around me in the world, so at about 5, i finally realized that the world IS a mostly fucked up place, but good can come of it if you want it to.

                                    Personally, i believe that it is human nature to hurt. It just is, but, your up-bringing determines if that's a prominant part of your personality. Like i said before, child abuse will always exist... and child abuse breeds these rapists, stalkers, etc. Men like that will always exist, so i feel that women need to protect themselves and make sure that they NEVER fall victim to men like this. And if it means being a lot less open and trusting, then so be it. This is not coming from a place of judgement, if i saw a girl i know about to make a potentially deadly mistake, i would not in a million years let her make it. And i would explain to her why her mistake was wrong.
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                            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:29 PM
                            Oh, aria ~ come on. I would be happy to introduce you to any number of people who would blow you away by tromping around in jackboots where angels would fear to tread. This old world has known its masochists and people who must perpetually play the martyr to obtain the attention they crave. There are such folks. Just as there are folks who will attack for no reason.
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                              Sun, August 30, 2009 - 3:35 PM
                              "Oh, aria ~ come on. I would be happy to introduce you to any number of people who would blow you away by tromping around in jackboots where angels would fear to tread. This old world has known its masochists and people who must perpetually play the martyr to obtain the attention they crave. There are such folks. Just as there are folks who will attack for no reason."

                              My point exactly.
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                              Re: scorpio stalker

                              Sun, August 30, 2009 - 4:22 PM
                              amiablehermit, I think masochism and sadism is a consciously calculated act. I think an actual masochist is conscious of the fact that they want to be hurt. I think an actual sadist is conscious of the fact that they want to do the hurting. I think anyone pointing a finger at unconscious potential to be hurt is their self playing on the masochist-sadist paradigm.

                              Somewhere inside I think just about anyone has the potential to be hurt in some way. The mere existence of the potential does not mean they WANT to be hurt, but that potential is often pointed to by a perpetrator after the fact of having struck at someone as if a kind of alibi. I think masochists know, consciously know, what they want and they consciously go after it, with the goal in mind. I would not agree that anyone else is in fact a masochist. I think their only error would be not having realized they were in the presence of a sadist or sadists.
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                                Sun, August 30, 2009 - 4:32 PM
                                Oh, I don't know, aria. I think I have known any number of people who unconsciously manipulate themselves and others into a victim/perpetrator role for attention that they don't find elsewhere. I would not be in the least surprised if the gratification that arises from these crafted scenarios isn't muddied with other emotions as well, but I think it is a clear pathology. True passive-aggressive personalities are like this, and they are actually rather common. Some people make having the sympathy vote a veritable occupation.

                                You are probably right about truly masochistic and sadistic personalities ~ at least those of the sexual type, but perhaps less so of the more emotional and psychological type. I happen to believe that this sort of stuff is found in a spectrum in which consciousness is also found in a gradation. People would be much easier to fathom than they are if they were less complicated and perverse.
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                                  Re: scorpio stalker

                                  Sun, August 30, 2009 - 5:55 PM
                                  amiablehermit, I don't know, the only other thing I want to say on this topic for now is that I think a non-violent person can intellectualize their way into becoming violent, but that a violent person cannot intellectualize their way out of being violent.
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                                    Re: scorpio stalker

                                    Sun, August 30, 2009 - 6:12 PM
                                    how can we speculate out of thin air. certainly we cannot deduct that every situation to have the same conclusion.
                                    It depends on each particular situation .
                                    Sometimes people get falsely accused and perverts are found innocent .
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                                      Re: scorpio stalker

                                      Sun, August 30, 2009 - 6:17 PM
                                      Has anyone else here noticed that the person who originally posted this red herring has UNSUBSCRIBED from tribe the day they posted it? Or maybe the question should be, does anyone here even care?
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                                        Mon, August 31, 2009 - 1:47 AM
                                        "Or maybe the question should be, does anyone here even care? "

                                        You're right sherpa.

                                        I hadn't noticed that. I do wonder why it matters that the stalker is a scorpio, perhaps to encourage impulse toward 'sign-ism' again.
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                                        Mon, August 31, 2009 - 3:13 AM
                                        <Has anyone else here noticed that the person who originally posted this red herring has UNSUBSCRIBED from tribe the day they posted it? Or maybe the question should be, does anyone here even care?>

                                        Yes, I noticed it quite some time ago when I said

                                        <Well, it looks moot to me since the person who posted this didn't hang around for an answer. LOL. Now that could mean a number of things, but maybe we should just think it is poster's remorse.>

                                        Nevertheless, as I find frequently accompanies my stating the obvious, this remark was ignored in favor of keeping up a dialogue about stalking, indicating to me that people have an interest in discussing it even though the OP vanished almost immediately after posting. So, it would seem that no one cares. The topic has a life of its own.
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                                          Mon, August 31, 2009 - 3:26 AM
                                          I think that is fine, btw. So it being a "red herring" seems to just express your lack of interest in it, thereby indicating that this might not be the thread for you.
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                                            Re: scorpio stalker

                                            Mon, August 31, 2009 - 7:20 AM
                                            paul was the only person who replied to the unsubscribed . Immediately there after there were no more replies for that person. The person left after the fourth or fifth reply.
                                            • Re: scorpio stalker

                                              Mon, August 31, 2009 - 7:23 AM
                                              So?
                                              • Re: scorpio stalker

                                                Mon, August 31, 2009 - 7:28 AM
                                                I mean usually people hang around for more than a day or two in tribe. When they bail out so swiftly, it sort of makes you wonder why they bothered in the first place, unless they were just emotionally ejaculating.
                                                • Re: scorpio stalker

                                                  Mon, August 31, 2009 - 7:32 AM
                                                  Doesn't mean that the topic in some form can't or shouldn't continue if people have an interest in it. Like no big fucking deal.

                                                  Why are we talking about talking about this? It is a topic people are discussing. That should be easy enough to accept. Sheesh!
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                                                  Re: scorpio stalker

                                                  Mon, August 31, 2009 - 7:35 AM
                                                  Perhaps just speculating the person didn't like the question becoming a judgment of charater or soap box for opinion and has far more self esteem than first relised and unsuscibed.
                                                  • Re: scorpio stalker

                                                    Mon, August 31, 2009 - 7:40 AM
                                                    The first five posts you mentioned did not communicate what you are extrapolating from them at all to me. WTF difference does that make now anyway? The person is gone. The topic isn't. I am not going to waste time on the unknown motivations of a nonexistent OP. Why are you?
                                                    • Re: scorpio stalker

                                                      Mon, August 31, 2009 - 7:42 AM
                                                      Some people will make a issue out of nothing at all. Like sherpa who started this bullshit digression.
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                                                        the new bullshit digression

                                                        Mon, August 31, 2009 - 11:10 AM
                                                        the red herring topic seems to have died, maybe was stillborn -- kicking this dead horse could be the new bullshit digression.
                                                        • Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                          Mon, August 31, 2009 - 11:24 AM
                                                          I think it depends on which point of view you take.

                                                          If you take it that the thread's purpose is to help the original poster know what to do and offer advice, then Sherpa's point stands as the original poster has unsubscribed so is likely to not even read these replies.
                                                          If you take the point of view that the thread seeks to discuss this topic in a more general way, then Amiable's point stands as there may be others who are interested in the topic.
                                                          • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                            Mon, August 31, 2009 - 12:45 PM
                                                            Paul ~

                                                            It is sort of hard to help someone who doesn't stick around past asking a question, isn't it? Why the person unsubbed is basically irrelevant. That no one got on to the Scorpio component of the question makes it clear that sign-ism was not the salient issue to responders. Stalking is ~ or at least was ~ before justifying talking about it beyond the OP as we were became some sort of issue in its own right. Obviously from the flow of discussion, this was not bothering anyone caring to explore that matter further. Now it is rather doubtful that this topic is heading anywhere but the thread graveyard. I think that is rather too bad because it is an important matter to a lot of people and could have produced further insights. I have certainly found that it not at all unusual on various tribes for a topic to go on long after the thread poster has vanished. What makes this thread any different? Sheesh.
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                                                            Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                            Mon, August 31, 2009 - 5:04 PM
                                                            The OP's profile itself was very obviously fake, created for no other purpose than to harass.
                                                            • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                              Mon, August 31, 2009 - 10:38 PM
                                                              If so, aria, it is obvious that the attempt was unsuccessful since subsequent posters ~ up to a certain time ~ were able to make this thread a constructive and interesting discussion.
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                                                                Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                Mon, August 31, 2009 - 10:59 PM
                                                                amiablehermit,

                                                                Do you consider yourself to be a person who is generally aware of when people around you have been hurt, how, and by what? Do you consider yourself to be a person who has that general kind of empathy?
                                                                • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                  Mon, August 31, 2009 - 11:01 PM
                                                                  What is the purpose of your question?
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                                                                    Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                    Mon, August 31, 2009 - 11:42 PM
                                                                    It seems to me that wherever in this thread anyone validated the fact that people are sometimes hurt by others you contributed by attempting to invalidate it. The comment I posted today was my contribution against any confusion created by the OP's obvious attempt to be hurtful. I asked that question because you behaved in response to my comment as you behaved at every other turn in the thread. I myself found the post hurtful. I myself found the thought of viewers' possible reactions to the OP hurtful.

                                                                    I asked that question because I am curious about why it is you seem to me as if you are set against, compulsively wanting to interfere in, the capacity and ability of others' to be emotionally conscious of violence and cruelty in the behaviors of others. I asked that question to myself because I am not going to allow you to interfere in my mind and my emotions in that way and I asked it out loud here because I do not think it is in the best interest of a public forum that such seeming behavior not be openly questioned.
                                                                    • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                      Mon, August 31, 2009 - 11:51 PM
                                                                      Aria

                                                                      perhaps you should take your considerations of amiable to PM?
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                                                                        Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:01 AM
                                                                        Paul ~ I have been around here long enough to notice this same pattern that aria refers to and I know I'm not the only one who has been subject to it. I think aria's message merits a place here in the group forum, as there may be others that also feel the same way.
                                                                        • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                          Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:23 AM
                                                                          Sherpa

                                                                          "Paul ~ I have been around here long enough to notice this same pattern that aria refers to and I know I'm not the only one who has been subject to it. I think aria's message merits a place here in the group forum, as there may be others that also feel the same way."

                                                                          Then you're all welcome to PM her. The group forum is here to discuss astrology , not amiable. The alternative is to set up a new tribe to discuss it and invite whoever wants to to join it and trash it out there.
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                                                                          Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                          Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:28 AM
                                                                          I think sherpa understands something of the way I feel about this, Paul, and also perhaps that I am beyond having such feelings merely for my own sake. I want to address any understandable fears about this confrontation though by saying the position that I am standing up for in my comment is not as personal as it may seem. It involves what to me is a very important moral issue that goes far beyond anything that could happen merely on tribe.net. What I find myself in here does not have as much to do with amiablehermit or anyone else personally as it does with responding to what I cannot tolerate as a human being and cannot in all my empathy imagine anyone else at their most honest can either. It is not as personal as it could understandably seem, my problem is not with amiablehermit the person, it is with behavior, and I would have the same response to the same behavior in anyone, and I welcome everyone to see that.
                                                                          • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                            Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:33 AM
                                                                            "I think sherpa understands something of the way I feel about this, Paul, and also perhaps that I am beyond having such feelings merely for my own sake. I want to address any understandable fears about this confrontation though by saying the position that I am standing up for in my comment is not as personal as it may seem. It involves what to me is a very important moral issue that goes far beyond anything that could happen merely on tribe.net. What I find myself in here does not have as much to do with amiablehermit or anyone else personally as it does with responding to what I cannot tole..."

                                                                            Aria

                                                                            But you see the predicament. None of it relates to this thread nor even to astrology. Whilst you say it's not personal to amiable, she remains the only one you've personally adressed. A new tribe set up for this discussion would be ideal and whoever wants to discuss it could then join.
                                                                            I agree with Yoda, it's a bit dramatic.
                                                                    • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                      Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:10 AM
                                                                      Aria, you are taking this way too close to heart. This post did not become hostile in any way, were all just adults (Well, i'm almost an adult!) expressing our opinions. I see nothing wrong with that, in fact that's what this site was created for. Whether or not the posters intentions were legit or not, there are still people interested and engaged by the topic of this post. Why is this such a problem for you?
                                                                    • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                      Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:37 AM
                                                                      Aria ~

                                                                      You do not know me, first of all.

                                                                      My purpose in bringing up exceptions to some of what was being said was to provide a counterpoint to what seemed to me to be assumptions and certain judgments that might not be as well-considered as they could be. So, accusing people of doing terrible things can be indicative of a pathological need for attention, for example, rather than a truthful account. Exactly who is being victimized in some scenarios can be a hard matter to determine in some cases. Mainly, I was pointing out a need for discernment in these matters ~ nothing much more than that really. Certainly, I was not saying anything along the lines of blaming victims for being attacked, and I think I made that quite clear.

                                                                      I have been moderating a tribe devoted to the Josef Fritzl case in Austria for over a year now. If ever there were an example of monstrous abuse, that would be it. I am quite certain that the members of that tribe have a very different appraisal of my capacity for empathy than yours or sherpa's. sherpa has his own agenda with me, however, so his comments can be dismissed without consideration. Since you do not know me, however, I think that it is important to clarify that I do not have some warped view of victims or stalkers, nor do I lack compassion or empathy for those who are truly subjected to terror tactics of any kind.

                                                                      I have a great deal of Mercury influence in my chart and an Aquarius Moon as well. I tend to take many of the discussions here as opportunities for debate to fine-tune ideas, and I do so from a detached standpoint. Without in any way intending to offend you, I suggest that you are possibly more emotionally engaged in this topic than I am and are therefore seeing more in my comments than is there.

                                                                      This sort of medium is conducive to a variety of different sorts of misunderstandings, as I am sure you are aware. If you require character references for me, I can see what I can do to provide you with those. LOL.
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                                                                        Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:10 AM
                                                                        "My purpose in bringing up exceptions to some of what was being said was to provide a counterpoint to what seemed to me to be assumptions and certain judgments that might not be as well-considered as they could be."

                                                                        I do not think that is your purpose at all.

                                                                        "So, accusing people of doing terrible things can be indicative of a pathological need for attention, for example, rather than a truthful account. Exactly who is being victimized in some scenarios can be a hard matter to determine in some cases."

                                                                        Ok, one of my accusations. You were on the friend list of the OP. Fact. I assume you saw their profile?

                                                                        Is there anyone reading this comment who would like to know what was on the profile of the OP?
                                                                        • Re: Red herrings and bullshit digressions

                                                                          Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:20 AM
                                                                          Well, aria, I have presented myself honestly and you have rejected that. That is not my problem.

                                                                          I don't even remember who the OP was, and I don't see what that has to do with anything. I have a wide assortment of friends, including SOT, who, in turn, has friends that are friends of mine and who could never be accused of being anything but gentlefolk. One's friends list is not a matter for others to judge.

                                                                          Since it is now very clear to me that you are being biased and unreasonable, I have no further interest in continuing this off-point discussion with you.
                                                  • Re: scorpio stalker

                                                    Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:17 AM
                                                    "Perhaps just speculating the person didn't like the question becoming a judgment of charater or soap box for opinion and has far more self esteem than first relised and unsuscibed."

                                                    If this was the case, the person would have just deleted the post. It's pretty simple, the button is right at the top of the page.
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                                                      Re: scorpio stalker

                                                      Tue, September 1, 2009 - 3:21 AM
                                                      "Perhaps just speculating the person didn't like the question becoming a judgment of charater or soap box for opinion and has far more self esteem than first relised and unsuscibed."

                                                      If this was the case, the person would have just deleted the post. It's pretty simple, the button is right at the top of the page.

                                                      this stops here .
                                                      the topic of the post seems to have reached a completion.
                                                      the completion of the topic was over before any rumors of topic diversions..
                                                      maybe your speculations are welcomed but
                                                      I have been told in so many words that my comments are not welcome for discussion.
                                                      it's pretty simple.




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                                                        Re: scorpio stalker

                                                        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 3:27 AM
                                                        amiha sorry forgot to address the reply.
                                                        and for the most part thanks for responding
                                                      • Re: scorpio stalker

                                                        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 3:39 AM
                                                        K

                                                        "I have been told in so many words that my comments are not welcome for discussion.
                                                        it's pretty simple. "

                                                        By whom can I ask?
            • Re: scorpio stalker

              Sun, August 30, 2009 - 8:33 AM
              >>Re: scorpio stalker
              I disagree that women are responsible for attracting stalkers. For one it's way too dangerously close to the notion of blaming rape on a woman's behavior or even her clothing, stalking can turn to rape or murder and I think nobody really knows how often that potential is there merely given the worst of circumstances that the woman manages to evade while being stalked.

              I think a lot of stalkers are most attracted to what they think are qualities like genuine kindness, nurturing compassion, qualities that make it easy for a stalker to feel like it is safe to open their heart. I think a co... show more
              I disagree that women are responsible for attracting stalkers. For one it's way too dangerously close to the notion of blaming rape on a woman's behavior or even her clothing, stalking can turn to rape or murder and I think nobody really knows how often that potential is there merely given the worst of circumstances that the woman manages to evade while being stalked.

              I think a lot of stalkers are most attracted to what they think are qualities like genuine kindness, nurturing compassion, qualities that make it easy for a stalker to feel like it is safe to open their heart. I think a common m.o. of stalkers is their own feeling that they are on the verge of some kind of personal emotional breakthrough, or step forward in terms of social evolution, or even something they think is spiritual in some way.

              I would agree that a woman needs to be aware of how easy it is to affect the heart of someone who is under-developed in some crucial way, but I think that says it right there, it's sad that you just can't be open hearted with everyone, it's sad there can be reasons that is not ok. But I think that's all it is, the sad state of the world incidentally activated in someone, not the fault of some quality inside the woman. I don't think anything makes anyone responsible for anyone else's behavior.<<


              Thank you Aria for saying this. I have felt this way, and will add that I think in some ways it applies to all genders. It is great to see this put so eloquently!
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                Re: scorpio stalker

                Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:27 PM
                You're welcome, C minor. I wrote with the context of the discussion and statistics in mind, but I also think it can apply as written about all genders. Thank you.
          • Re: scorpio stalker

            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 8:04 AM
            <<But, i think only certain types of women are stalked constantly, women who are always the "Victim" and they give off weakness in their energy. Even worse, women like that usually like being stalked deep down, because they like the attention.>>

            With all due respect, this opens up a big can of worms Aminah... a dangerous can of worms, as proposing that negative behaviour by an agressor is mostly the fault or secret wish of the victim justifies potentially immoral behaviour.

            Continuing this mode of thought: women should wear a hijab, because if they don't it's their own fault to get beaten up, raped or killed. Come on, you know better.

            THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION EVER FOR TAKING SOMEONES POWER AWAY.
            • Re: scorpio stalker

              Sun, August 30, 2009 - 12:37 PM
              I'm not saying that it justifies it, but some women put themselves in these compromising positions, and some even attract it. I've known women who constantly find themselves being stalked, even to the point that men will try to secretly follow them home. I'm sorry, but women like that give off a certain weakness in their energy, making them come off as more vulnerable to attack. I would never attract a stalker-type, because i will never allow myself to be victimized by anyone, and my energy gives that off every time i walk out the door, into the world. Plus, a lot of women are far too lax in their sense of self-protection online. Giving out too much information, just because you "Feel" so comfortable talking to a person, that's not smart behavior. And, there are some women who secretly like that type of stalker attention, for whatever reason. I'm not saying that it makes it right, or justifies anything, but, these women do put themselves in a vulerable position, so some of the blame is on them.

              "THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION EVER FOR TAKING SOMEONES POWER AWAY."

              You should never allow someone to take your power away, ever.
              • Re: scorpio stalker

                Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:07 PM
                "these women do put themselves in a vulnerable position, so some of the blame is on them."

                I don't care if women (or men) run around stark naked on the street, exposing their genitalia to every Tom, Dick and Harry or Jane. It does not warrant or justify any kind of intimidating or menacing behavior, ever. Putting even part of the blame on the victim of stalking by some freak chasing them is part of the problem, because it gives this twisted behavior a license.

                In some cultures, when a woman gets raped - she herself is put on trial, because she somehow illicited this behavior herself and must therefore be punished, in some cases even put to death. Stalking is a form of rape of violating one's sense of space and belonging No sane person would ever wish to feel that way - constantly unsafe - let alone bring that unto oneself.

                The blame lies with a society that is negligent in raising people the right way, with a good sense of self and respect for others. The lack lies not with a being 'preemptively' strong and self confident, the lack lies with a person who cannot empathize with another as a real person, but instead sees that person as part of their sick fantasies.

                As for astrological connotations, don't think it's exclusively Scorpio; any sign is capable of it, presumably someone with some major Neptune and Pluto squares to their moon and mars, energizing their fourth, eight and twelfth house.
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                  Re: scorpio stalker

                  Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:36 PM
                  "the lack lies with a person who cannot empathize with another as a real person"

                  I think that is true of all violence, one of the most important points that can be made about violence.

                  "As for astrological connotations"

                  I don't think astrology is relevant of who, I think it is only relevant of how.

                  A triple Aquarius, who would presumably feel the least attachment or personal obsession of all the signs, could be enthralled with how Aquarian someone else is and lose all sense of empathy while enthralled, for instance.
                • Re: scorpio stalker

                  Sun, August 30, 2009 - 4:29 PM
                  "I don't care if women (or men) run around stark naked on the street, exposing their genitalia to every Tom, Dick and Harry or Jane. It does not warrant or justify any kind of intimidating or menacing behavior, ever. Putting even part of the blame on the victim of stalking by some freak chasing them is part of the problem, because it gives this twisted behavior a license. "

                  I agree with Partha. We should never blame the victim.
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                    Re: scorpio stalker

                    Sun, August 30, 2009 - 4:44 PM
                    in the case of stalking the victum could be male or female.
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                    Re: scorpio stalker

                    Sun, August 30, 2009 - 4:45 PM
                    Well, Paul, it isn't always clear, though, when someone claiming to be a victim really is one. Knee-jerk reactions to anyone claiming such a status is rather dangerous in my view.

                    This is sort of interesting to me at the moment since I have a friend whose 73-year-old father is currently sitting in jail charged with pedophilia. What is curious about this situation is that the accusers seem to be suspicious relatives of his wife who came for a visit from another state and who were able to isolate this man to be alone so that they were the only witnesses. My friend's father has never in his life ever been accused of such behavior, and has never before been arrested for anything. The man is also ill and diabetic and had recently been in physical therapy due to an fall. My friend suspects that his father's wife's relatives (second marriage) have mistakenly taken him to be a cash cow since he has given them money (to his own detriment) in the past and are now trying to suck blood out of what is really a total stone. The thing really looks like a set up.

                    I believe we do also have a little fable in our collective storehouse about a boy who cried "wolf." That sort of thing also happens a lot.
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                      Re: scorpio stalker

                      Sun, August 30, 2009 - 5:53 PM
                      the idea i got from the previous posts was the following...
                      1) people who are stalked are mentally weak and wanting to be a victim
                      2) that victims set themselves up for being stalked
                      3) victims send "victim" vibes out into the universe


                      amiable,

                      your story is an entire different thing. false accusations is an entirely different ball park... it sounds to me that your friend's father could very well be the victim.

                      i dont deny that people cry wolf. i am discussing the actual real experience of "stalking"

                      i want to also say that harassing someone and stalking someone are not the same thing. true if one is being stalked they are being harassed... but if one is being harassed they are not necessarily being stalked. i also find that people use the word "stalk" too freely. i feel that if you are arguing back and forth with email or phone calls, well that is not stalking, that could very much just be a game.
            • Re: scorpio stalker

              Sun, August 30, 2009 - 1:13 PM
              'With all due respect, this opens up a big can of worms Aminah... a dangerous can of worms, as proposing that negative behaviour by an agressor is mostly the fault or secret wish of the victim justifies potentially immoral behaviour.

              Continuing this mode of thought: women should wear a hijab, because if they don't it's their own fault to get beaten up, raped or killed.'

              No woman deserves to be attacked. From what I have heard, these things can happen so quickly that there isn't even time to react in situations such as these.

              What about the attacker - are we to reward these peope for what they do then, shake their hand? Is it ok for me to steal from other people or cheat them of their life savings, because after all, they were practically begging for me to do so and in fact, should be grateful for me to showing them what stupid victims they were? Will the judge and jury shake their hands too with a nudge and a wink, congratulating them on how clever they were to so cleverly target their victims.
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    Re: scorpio stalker

    Mon, August 31, 2009 - 3:33 PM
    "what should I do about a scorpio male stalker?"

    Wrap him in bacon and grill him 2 minutes a side. Don't mess with him too much – you want a good, even sear on both sides. Garnish with some fresh chives and serve immediately with your favorite side dish. Bon Appetite!
    • Re: scorpio stalker

      Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:31 AM
      <<how the **** does a topic like this get 68 replies?>>

      Hmm I
      I'm not sure but, I feel that you are contacting the wrong place buddy. I feel that you should be contacting your local police office. I feel that this is not an astrological matter and I feel that if you are adding the "stalking" for an extra sarcastic affect then that's not cool. I haven't read through all of the posts to see if you have been replying but, I feel like I can only help with that advice I gave you just now.
      • Re: scorpio stalker

        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:39 AM
        Dionysus

        Its best to read through first before commenting.
        The person you're addressing is not the person who initiated the thread.
        In fact the person you addressed only posted once on this thread, its a bit unfair to jump on him/her for something that isn't related to them.

        However you're right, stalking is an issue for the police.

        In regards the other issues, any more comments about it after this post will be removed for the time being.
      • Re: scorpio stalker

        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:57 AM
        Lol! Sorry for the Misunderstanding I see that I have made my post seem as if it was directed to the Person I quoted! Sorry!! Wow it is 5am here and I haven't been to sleep yet. That explains my mistake. I was addressing all I typed to the Person who made the Topic. Sorry again for the mis communication.
        • Re: scorpio stalker

          Tue, September 1, 2009 - 2:01 AM
          Dionysus

          "Sorry for the Misunderstanding I see that I have made my post seem as if it was directed to the Person I quoted! "

          No problem! Figured that's what it was!
  • Re: scorpio stalker

    Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:38 AM
    "What should I do about a scorpio male stalker/"

    Lamest question I have ever heard. Let me rephrase it.

    "What should I do about a stalker?"

    Call the police and make sure you have a court deal on this ass and a nice M-16 rifle under your pillow everynight. That is all.
  • Re: scorpio stalker

    Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:17 AM
    Whatever.

    I really wonder if anyone thinks that the stalker tendency can be picked up in a chart ~ scorp or not. I'd wager that Nexus7 and Paul and O'Ryan and a number of others would think so and give it a shot. I really have been amazed at what people can pick up and deduce from a chart on Nexus7's Heroes & Villains tribe. Even I can see some stuff that works from time to time. It might be possible.

    Of course, a stalker's birth data might not be readily available, but IF it is, then, possibly, ooo la la. Forewarned is forearmed. Could save yourself much grief if you think you can trust the your interpretation of the chart.
    • Re: scorpio stalker

      Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:29 AM
      I don't necessarily think that being a 'stalker' can be seen in the chart, but I do think that there are indications that might show 'obsessiveness' which may, depending on the person, be spilt out of control to stalkerness. But I do think it depends on the 'kind' of stalker if such a thing is possible.
      For example someone may 'stalk' someone on facebook or on other social networking sites. A recent sociology study suggests that this is quite common and more common with men than with women. Particularly this is so with men 'stalking' their partner's site. I think this comes down to a kind of 'primal' insecurity. There is a desire to be aware of what your partner is doing and is particularly seen with people who have been burned in the past. I know of one guy who admitted, though he was ashamed by it, that he cannot help checking out his girlfriends facebook every day because his ex cheated on him and he found out by piecing together commetns on their facebook accounts. I know of someone else who, in a more short term relationship, found out he was dumped because his gf changed her status to 'single'. I think this is a more common feature amongst the 80/90s generation but it is likely that this trend will continue into the future. I think it is similar to reading someone's diary.

      The other kind of stalker is the 'you broke up with me and i want you back' kind of stalker. Personally I would see this as being particularly relevant to the fixed signs. Not necessarily a fixed sun sign, but someone with a great deal of fixity in the chart. I think fixed signs find it harder to move on and sometimes they need to be told outright "No, I'm never going to get back with you" to really understand that it is a lost cause. I know of a girl who was really stressed because her ex keeps ringing her up and coming around to her house to 'talk' about their relationship and make it work even though she broke up with him. I'm friendly with both sides of the couple and from talking to him a different story was painted. He felt that they were breaking up 'for now'. That they were on a break with the view to just needing time apart before they got back together. Once he realised that that was NEVER going to happen, he stopped calling around as much and licked his wounds and eventually moved on, though not quickly!

      I think it all depends on the circumstance, but I think those two examples given are the most common, or at least most common amongst MY age group and with my friends. Certainly I think the fixed signs find it difficult to move on and may perhaps be more prone to 'stalking'.
      • Re: scorpio stalker

        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:46 AM
        <The other kind of stalker is the 'you broke up with me and i want you back' kind of stalker. Personally I would see this as being particularly relevant to the fixed signs. Not necessarily a fixed sun sign, but someone with a great deal of fixity in the chart.>

        I admit that I feel this way but do not act on it. The irony is this:

        <I think fixed signs find it harder to move on and sometimes they need to be told outright "No, I'm never going to get back with you" to really understand that it is a lost cause.>

        Gemini with a passive aggressive (professional diagnosis, btw) Scorpio Moon ~ never could say the words I so desperately needed to hear ~ "No, I'm never going to get back with you" ~ quite the contrary. In the bizarre chance meeting that happened years after breaking up without any closure for me, he chose instead to ask me if I would be offended if he called me sometime. Of course, he never has. That was three years ago. Some people do seem to cultivate an exquisite sensitivity for emotional torture.

        About all I really do is Google him. That is how I found out recently that his mother died in 2007. I never attempt to contact him. But just the thought of seeing his face again is enough to tear me apart. There are some men here on tribe that look like him. I register that and don't look longer. Why keep breaking my own heart?
        • Re: scorpio stalker

          Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:57 AM
          Amiable

          "breaking up without any closure for me,"

          That sums up what I was trying to say. Fixed signs need definite 'closure'.

          Fixed signs have an amazing capacity to 'keep at it' to make things work, to persevere and weather things out. That gift becomes a curse when something NEEDS to be broken, or needs to NOT persevere but move forward. The cardinal signs of course do that best. Libra is the cardinal air sign and I've seen nobody like Libra for getting back on the saddle. I have a theory that whereas the Fixed signs feel their emotions for the person and consider that no longer seeing that person equates to a loss of that emotional outlook, cardinal signs simply carry the emotion to another person. So the love they had for you gets carried onto the next partner. This is just something I've been toying with though. Not really thought it through properly.
          • Re: scorpio stalker

            Tue, September 1, 2009 - 5:09 AM
            <cardinal signs simply carry the emotion to another person. >

            A fixed sign is capable of that, too. But, at least to my way of thinking, doing that can create a "composite person" in the person's mind ~ an amalgam of the one in the present and the one of the past. Much of that may occur unconsciously when a person is ashamed of doing that. But not everyone has that shame and therefore can be aware of it. (Shame prompts repression, btw). Even so, there is never quite escaping the poignancy of it all. I think that when these sorts of relationships become so significant, there is not much to do but learn how to grieve with joy when another can evoke him in you.
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        Re: scorpio stalker

        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 5:11 AM
        I have seen there is also online stalking that is not related to intimacy, ex's, nor romantic feelings. People who harass others online, for instance, will use stalking to gather information to increase the power of their harassment techniques. Collaborations with others that often involve disinformation or perhaps even brainwashing wherever the stalker is obsessed enough in their goal, networks of complicit parties who act as scouts of sorts for the human compulsion to feel they are part of something and accepted and valued, those are things I have seen too.
        • Re: scorpio stalker

          Tue, September 1, 2009 - 5:39 AM
          You do sound like you are especially familiar with such preposterous extremes. I wind up marveling at such obsessions for the sheer amount of life energy they consume. As though anyone has that much to squander. I know that I don't and never have. Besides, I am far too lazy to be interested in something so useless that requires so much work. For those who do such things, it may well be that a toughened hide (i.e., a healthy ego) works wonders in just showing them the door to elsewhere without a whole lot of fanfare or angst. A swift kick in the departure could be of some community benefit as well.
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            Re: scorpio stalker

            Tue, September 1, 2009 - 6:18 AM
            Unfortunately, the internet is like the new chicken coop of society that I don't think people have realized the necessity of monitoring for basic safety and preservation of autonomy in some ways as much as they would an open city street. I don't think it's the kind of thing that people notice very often yet.
            • Re: scorpio stalker

              Tue, September 1, 2009 - 6:28 AM
              aria

              I think you're right, its important not to reveal too much about yourself in any forum, the internet is no different. Because it is written down, anybody can read what it says at any time, just as you wouldn't pin your name and address to the wall of a club, nor would you reveal that much on an online forum. Presumably that is why people use alts and so on as well for that matter.
              I think that the kind of behaviour you're talking about goes beyond 'stalking' though. It's one step further.
              • Re: scorpio stalker

                Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:09 AM
                I think that In this day & age if anyone is not taking precautions online, they have no business having a computer. Enough horror stories have been publicized and enough information disseminated that it is common knowledge that people need to use reasonable caution on the internet.
                • Re: scorpio stalker

                  Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:14 AM
                  "that it is common knowledge that people need to use reasonable caution on the internet. "

                  And yet it doesn't seem to happen. Just two days ago I read about how a man went to meet a guy who was selling his car. He was ambushed and beat up. There was no car.
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                    Re: scorpio stalker

                    Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:15 AM
                    Some people are also not real bright.
                    • Re: Gall

                      Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:46 AM
                      My third husband just called me after 13 YEARS of silence wanting to see me.

                      I had an order of protection against this guy.

                      I asked him in an unwelcoming manner what in the world he could possibly want, and he said that maybe it was a bad idea. You think? Geez.

                      Talk about timing. Given this topic, all I can say is hell, yeah ~ it was a VERY bad idea.
                      • Re: Gall

                        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:47 AM
                        He, too, is a Virgo, btw. That makes two Virgo creeps in my life that have been completely bad news along these lines.
                      • Re: Gall

                        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:48 AM
                        Amiable

                        Did you find out what he wanted first though? I coudl never do that, curiosity would DEFINITELY kill this cat. I'd HAVE to know what he was looking for. Might be serious.
                        • Re: Gall

                          Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:52 AM
                          I was curious, too, but he hung up without answering. I don't know, Paul ~ we probably need to watch our Mercury for what killed the cat.
                          At the end of the day, though, it really doesn't matter. Anything he might want is nothing I am interested in.
                          • Re: Gall

                            Tue, September 1, 2009 - 9:03 AM
                            "I was curious, too, but he hung up without answering. I don't know, Paul ~ we probably need to watch our Mercury for what killed the cat.
                            At the end of the day, though, it really doesn't matter. Anything he might want is nothing I am interested in. "

                            I know, it's a lesson I struggle to learn. I think fellow Gemini Maeve Binchy summed it up best:

                            "There's a lane behind our house which doesn't get much traffic these days, but if there's someone having a conversation then I have to stand up and put my ear to the window. I used to love it in the old days when they had crossed wires on the telephone; I would always stay on the line if that happened. It doesn't happen today because the phones are so good. But if there's a conversation in the lane I'd rather die than not know what they're talking about."
                          • Re: Gall

                            Tue, September 1, 2009 - 9:06 AM
                            Honestly, the narcissism of abusive assholes really defies imagination. Anyone ever having been in a position like mine would do well to recognize that fact.
                      • Re: Gall

                        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:53 PM
                        A particular jagoff texted me with the single word "idiot". I'm guessing it's because I rejected their asking to join 2 of my social networks recently. It's like dude I don't like you, I have purposely blocked you several places and it's been 3 years, leave me alone.
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                          Re: Gall

                          Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:56 PM
                          Classic stalker song:

                          www.youtube.com/watch
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                          • Re: Gall

                            Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:09 PM
                            Yoda

                            Its safe to say that if any potential lover has that song playing on their mp3 player, be wary.
                            If they have the following few as well, then congratulations, you're going out with someone who's going to be famous.
                            Yes, they'll be starring in an episode of 'Crimewatch' in a few months time, right above a pic of you with 'Have you seen this person' as your caption.

                            www.youtube.com/watch
                            www.youtube.com/watch
                            • Re: Gall

                              Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:10 PM
                              'This posting was deleted by Paul '

                              removed my own post. I double posted by accident
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                              Re: Gall

                              Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:13 PM
                              LMAO!

                              Yeah, seeing those on a playlist would definitely make me run for the hills...
                              • Re: Gall

                                Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:48 PM
                                ever heard this one by Jewel? written as she see's from a stalkers perspective...

                                "Haunted"

                                I will come 2 u
                                In the still of the night
                                And I will crush u
                                With the burden of sight
                                And u will understand
                                The shadows in my heart
                                The fury of my conviction
                                Will cause your heart 2 quicken
                                And then, my dear
                                U will see u want me here

                                [CHORUS]

                                And when u wake up
                                U will see yourself through my eyes
                                And when u break up
                                You'll understand
                                Why it is I cry

                                Let me speak quietly
                                So your heart can hear
                                I will hypnotize and mesmerize u
                                With the sound of your own fear

                                [CHORUS]

                                I just wanna get along
                                This is your song
                                I wrote it in my head
                                But the melody's all wrong
                                And it's driving me crazy
                                Not having u, baby
                                2 keep me company
                                In my own private world
                                You're my one true girl
                                And I won't be stoppin' Just 'cause your knees are knockin'
                                When I decide 2 drop in
                                So don't make a sound
                                'Cause there's no one around
                                2 come between us now
                                I'm gonna haunt u, girl



                            • Re: Gall

                              Tue, September 1, 2009 - 2:29 PM
                              how's THIS for a stalker song: www.youtube.com/watch
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                                Re: Gall

                                Tue, September 1, 2009 - 3:15 PM
                                Hell yeah! Nice one, Mantis...

                                Here's one of my favorites:

                                www.youtube.com/watch
                                • Re: Gall

                                  Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:54 PM
                                  Here's a classic early 80's song
                                  www.youtube.com/watch
                                  • Re: Gall

                                    Tue, September 1, 2009 - 5:15 PM
                                    Gin Blossoms - Found Out About You

                                    www.youtube.com/watch

                                    All last summer in case you dont recall
                                    I was yours and you were mine forget it all
                                    Is there a line that I could write
                                    Sad enough to make you cry
                                    All the lines you wrote to me were lies
                                    The months roll past the love that you struck dead
                                    Did you love me only in my head?
                                    Things you said and did to me
                                    Seemed to come so easily
                                    The love I thought Id won you give for free
                                    Whispers at the bus stop
                                    I heard about nights out in the school yard
                                    I found out about you
                                    Rumors follow everywhere you go
                                    Like when you left and I was last to know
                                    Youre famous now and theres no doubt
                                    In all the places you hang out
                                    They know your name and know what youre about
                                    Whispers at the bus stop
                                    I heard about nights out in the school yard
                                    I found out about you
                                    Street lights blink on through the car window
                                    I get the time too often on am radio
                                    You know its all I think about
                                    I write your name drive past your house
                                    Your boyfriends over I watch your light go out
                                    Whispers at the bus stop
                                    I heard about nights out in the school yard
                                    I found out about you
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                                      Re: Gall

                                      Tue, September 1, 2009 - 5:24 PM
                                      didn't realize there were so many.
    • Re: scorpio stalker

      Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:37 AM
      It's very hard to identify stalkers by information from their charts, as aspects and placements have a multifarious quality. A Saint and a sinner could have the same aspect, the choices we make in our lifes shape our character, not the tendencies underneath...

      From their MO though, I would say hard Aspects from Pluto (the disrespect for people's autonomy and the desire to absorb their reality in their own), Neptune (delusional quality, difficulty to recognize boundaries) to Mars, Moon and Ascendant COULD signify this behavior. Houses could tell the story where and how is being stalked: houses activated by affliction: seventh, eight, twelfth...

      Still, power issues: afflicted Pluto would be the first thing to look out for, but then again - you could also be dealing with a great therapist or charismatic guru. Even an overabundance of trines and sextiles and quintiles (compulsion) could signify negative behavior...
      • Re: scorpio stalker

        Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:43 AM
        Partha

        "A Saint and a sinner could have the same aspect, the choices we make in our lifes shape our character, not the tendencies underneath... "

        I completely agree. Its worth always emphasising that. I always think that the one thing not indicated in the chart is freewill.

        To continue with the hard aspects and so on, I'd also imagine that a lot of activity in the 7th House AS WELL as these aspects would kind of drive this home. I do sometimes think that someone with a great deal going on in the 7th House kind of defines themself (especially if the Moon or Sun or both are there) in some way or another with their partner and I think that it can be harder to move on from relationships, again, especially if a great deal of fixity is involved. This isn't necessarily make them a stalker though but I think I understand how someone like this may find it hard to move on. If anyone has this kind of placement perhaps they could elaborate more on it from their point of view. I do think 'stalker' is the wrong word almost, as it connotates something very sinister, when a lot of the time its just somebody struggling to move on and is otherwise harmless.


        • Re: scorpio stalker

          Wed, September 2, 2009 - 4:44 AM
          Yes, I agree with you that 'afflicted' planets in or activating the seventh house could culminate in a warped image of relationships and others...don't know about the fixity of it, that seems more like an eight house matter: addiction to another person's energy and feeding of it, it all depends what's on the cusp though. Also Neptune could be involved in the warping of the image and self image with a relationship and Pluto off course creating absorption/usurpation issues within that sphere of experience...

          Hard to move on...hmmm: Venus square Saturn in the seventh? just shooting from the hip though, there is a multitude of aspects of this nature...it's sure ain't venus square Uranus though...lol.