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Hmmm, in my experience having just the node conjunct a personal planet in my chart led to an inability to get out of the relationship because the "weight" of it was so heavy I couldn't pull away. I discovered this after first learning about the n node as a karmic point and reviewing past relationships.
Just now I was reading about degrees and points in the chart and have saturn in the seventh on a negative degree position, which stands to reason.
Seeing all of those karmic points (I've not seen that many of the big hitters unless you are speaking of Plutonic intraspects) makes me understandably nervous due to the crap I've stuck around for before (when typically I would never) with just the N Node.
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The way I look at these situation is -
you are in some sort of relationship - what shape will it take?
The great weight might make it hard to get "out" (although even with the most insistent sorts - this is always possible! Trust me, I know hehe). At the same time - there is always the option of "reshaping" versus "getting out".

I have often seen astrological warnings at times when the circumstances of life definitely pointed me in a direction against the astrological warnings. This happened with the purchase of my car for instance (which has yet to prove problematic). I take these less as "ultimatums" against a certain course of action (something that others in astrology circles would hotly scold me for). I take them more as "warnings" to keep more on my toes and be more careful and aware.

Certainly whatever you do - maybe just be aware of the karmic impact your choices might have.
Maybe stepping out at an early stage is the right thing ... I bet it depends somewhat on your current karmic state and personal karmic history. How does this situation fit in your own relational patterns and the karma they have generated so far? Do you feel that you need to learn to step out and say no or does that really not make sense? If it doesn't make sense then I'd say that the "bad karma" might be a limiting way to look at this. Maybe the other person has some karmic reason for needing the relationship ... who knows.
If it does make sense on the other hand (that your karmic history leads you to need to step away early) then you have some more supporting evidence for doing so than just one particular interpretation of a chart.

This makes me curious about the composite chart between the two of you!

Oh and in reviewing my own thing which led to rereading that, I am not looking for someone to make me happy. I'm pretty damn happy on my own. Which, in repeating that makes me feel better about not getting involved. Thanks for your reverse advice.

"It is much easier to hear people who listen."

I was listening - wondering why now, though.

Look, why is it that everyone who came in and said this could be a good thing, you're basically like, "Meh", but when someone comes in and presents the possibility that it may not be, you say, "That's what I was hoping to hear?"

If that's not negative, I don't know what is. You essentially disregarded any possibility that this could be a positive experience and were quick to grab on to the idea that it wouldn't be.

This guy never stood a shot with you from the get-go. You already had your mind made up that he was scum.

Book ~

<Amiable -

Kind of 'glass is half-empty", there. You're entitled to it, but I still say there's just as much chance that it could be a good thing.

I'll put it this way - if I were in this position, I'd be running TO, not from it. And even in the rare chance that it worked out to be bad, hell, I still say that it's worth it.>

I am basing my comment on my experience and those of others that I have known. My view of karma, btw, is not a "reward or punishment" one ~ not a "justice" issue either. To me, it signifies lessons not completed and the returning to those to either complete them or move them along, if possible, which is not always the case. Karmic relationships are those arising from these unfinished lessons, and they often involve the unwitting repetition of past errors or a revisitation of past scenarios. Essentially, though, karma in and of itself is value-neutral.

Of course, it is possible to reunite and constructively resolve whatever the issues might be, but that takes the insight of both parties, and, just as in other relationships, many people do not wind up on the same page. I'd say more often than not, especially in romances, they wind up on different pages and the relationship fails. Far more people have ex-bfs and ex-gfs than just a one & only from the get-go ~ and that is not taking karma into consideration. When it comes to some significant life lesson where the work is still being done, I think that the odds are that a quick fix is unlikely.

There really isn't much of a way of discovering how the relationship will go until there actually is one. Standing on the sidelines trying to discern how it will go without participating in it will not yield much, imo. I wish I had a crystal ball on several occasions, but lacking that, all I could do was give it a shot. It is natural enough to be reticent about getting involved with someone when one has been hurt in the past, and when there are signals that certain attitudes or behaviors are at cross-purposes, it is not a bad idea to enter with "benevolent skepticism," but nothing really will be known without entering at all. Even so, at least in my case, a really vigorous preliminary assessment of a relationship prospect did not prove correct in the least at the end, so I have come to be skeptical of the efficacy of that as well. LOL.

I understand the feeling that things are fine ~ why rock the boat, and is this person even in a boat solid enough for two? Is it worth the departure from the comfort zone? Well, sometimes yes, and sometimes no. Timing can play such a crucial role. Usually a sign of a karmic connection is spotted in the timing, and it can sometimes look almost too well-timed just as easily as it can look horribly timed. Timing alone is also not an indicator of a potential success or failure ~ just that the opportunity has come around. Sometimes people read way too much into what seems like a grand synchronicity, but the simultaneity alone is not really a clue to the outcome of the lesson revisited yet again. The moment may be ripe, but for what? That is the question I have wound up asking these days when I recognize a meeting as karmic.

Don't trample on another's karma because when SHe swallows the missed mark of your impatience , preconcieved ideas about the situation and lack of aim SHe will vomit the ocean contents right back out everywhere so leave him and everybody else out of it. Talk to him about this really honestly and please stop pulling us into the pool of your bed. He is your friend accept the friendship or walk away if he was cruel you wouldn't be having this conversation.

Sherpa

i've not read his books. His quote sounds really inspiring at first but when you think about it for even a moment it falls apart. Were blacks made slaves because of a lack of character or imagination? Of course not

<<Especially that "lack of character" comment which has nothing to do with his original argument! >>

I beg to differ! Given how the choices we make define our characters within the trajectory of our lives, character may be another word for fate.

I would love to hear your theories, sherpa. Everything you mentioned there is of great interest to me. If you do start a thread about them I'll definitely be there as soon as I can. Thank you for your responses, sherpa.

also; One of the rare times I didn't want to hear something from someone happened in this thread, when that happens I am really blatant about it. When that happens it's for a real reason, not just because someone is functioning from other definitions. I hope my cutting in that direction didn't create assumptions about me wanting to cut everyone off or even multiple people. I have no interest in and would gain nothing by doing that.