VESTA: What is sacred ?

topic posted Sun, June 18, 2006 - 12:30 AM by  sherpa
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Vesta is one of the four major asteroids that Western astrology recognizes; the other three are Pallas, Juno and Ceres. Demetra George's book ASTEROID GODDESSES is a good primer for anyone interested in reading more about them.

I have been using these four asteroids in my practice for the last ten years while developing some theories of my own and I'd like to share something about Vesta.

Vesta relates to the myth of the Vestal Virgins who were not literal virgins per se but highly educated temple priestesses assigned to maintain and protect the sacred fires eternally burning in the Temple of Hestia (Goddess of the Hearth).

My theory about astrological Vesta is that it can indicate what we hold sacred and what is worth protecting as sacred in our lives. If you can identify the symbol of Vesta in your chart, (looks like a little flame or three "v"'s), then you can see for yourself if the sign and the house Vesta's in doesn't somehow symbolize what and how you know the sacred.

My natal Scorpio Vesta is conjunct my ASC into the 1st House. The instinctive experience of being in present time -- life in the here and now -- is sacred to me. I cherish the immediacy of life without narration or explanation, the emergence of consciousness through the body. Ahhhh!

I am curious to find out if and how this theory of "Vesta as a way the sacred is known" holds truth for others. (Note: Every astrology program does not include the asteroids so if you can't find them in your chart, you may have to get your chart redone with a program that includes the asteroids).
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sherpa
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  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 2:57 AM
    Mine is in Pisces on the 11th/10th cusp.

    ... this will take some research.

    Vesta in the 11th House: Let your friends know that periodically you have to get away from them in order to recharge. You also have to take a periodic break from pursuing your own "hopes and wishes." (www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Vest...html)

    Vesta in the 10th House: Like those with Vesta in the 6th house, you have to get away from work in order to recharge. In addition, you also have to stay out of the public eye. Hide for a while until you recharge. The 10th house rules the "boss" as well. If you have one, you have to find some way to avoid them every now and then. (www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Vest...html)

    Vesta in Pisces: focuses on dreams and imagination. Good for projects focusing on helping people, or for any project requiring lots of imagination. (oh same!)

    Vesta Aspecting Venus: Venus rules one's social skills and artistic abilities. More generally, it governs our ability to experience pleasure and be happy. Harmonious aspects ((conjunction, sextile and trine) with Vesta can make it easier to focus on these things. The stressful aspects (square and opposition) may indicate a tendency to avoid happiness by concentrating on work, or someone who has difficulty getting any pleasure from their work. Work could also be used to avoid social interaction. Conversely, this could be someone who only focuses on pleasure and social situations and refuses to work at all.

    There's a lot of this that really hits home. With my Vesta squ Venus (Virg, 4th), I definately do notice that I vacillate between refusing to work and not getting pleasure from work (goddess yes) and avoiding (the happiness? my friends -- the real ones, not the play ones) via work.

    ***

    Vesta in Pisces:
    You protect the flame of dreams and spirituality that transcends the human condition. Your mission is to believe in that which exists outside our five senses and outside of our intellectual understanding. Your focus is on a creative and artistic vision that resides within the soul. Your commitment is to the healing of our spiritual values and resources. In your effort to seek your truth and personal mission you are likely to sacrifice your beliefs, your right to express what you feel inside and your dreams. Your sexuality is that of spiritual bliss and ecstasy experienced through the human touch and contact. (www.fatewatch.com/women/vesta.htm)

    This is really... really on point.

    ***

    My dreams are something I protect to the point of not trying to make them true in fear of, well, losingthem. I am very selective about to whom I communicate the actual contents of my heart, as scattered as they sometimes are.

    Hmmm... this will be an interesting journey.
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      Sun, June 18, 2006 - 3:16 AM

      VESTA IN PISCES
      Vesta in Pisces souls can best focus their work energy by serving others. Because of the diffuse, scattered nature of Pisces, Vesta here can point to difficulty in finding a focus or maintaining a commitment. This person can play the role of a martyr and attempt to make others feel guilty and responsible for his or her suffering. One can serve to heal others through sexual interaction, or sublimate sexuality into spiritual realization. This person may feel that his or her sexuality belongs to whoever has need of it, and that no one person has sole rights to it. Integration includes a blending of dreams and reality, the poetic and the practical. (visforvirgo.tribe.net/thread/...250133e)

      ... I do consider my sexuality sacred. Boy, does that annoy people who are sexually repressed!
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    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 7:16 AM
    Hi Sherpa, I would say that this theory is true for me.

    I have Vesta in my 9th House/Aries, Trine my Leo AC, semisextile Chiron in Pisces, Quincunx Pluto in Virgo.

    Learning, Travel (both mental and physical) are very much a part of who I am. I tend to be rather intense about this as well and when I do learn about a new subject I tend to immerse myself in it and it is something that most people would identify as being a part of me. If I'm really interested in something I usually don't go halfway, but have a drive (Aries) to soak up as much information as I can. Additionally, the Chiron/Pisces comes into play because most of my learning is geared towards subjects that are spiritual and healing, both for myself and others. It seems that I easily find the information that I need at the time I need it. The quincunx to Pluto is probably where I become frustrated because most poeple don't care to deeply discuss or jump into spiritual topics to the extent that I do. I know that I can be a bit overwhelming at times when I feel that drive to learn and explore. I have a thirst to see, learn, and experience my world that I it seems a lot of people can't relate to. I would say that it is the basis of who I am in many ways and I would consider it a sacred part of me.
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      Sun, June 18, 2006 - 7:49 AM
      vesta
      26 degrees in pisces/12 house.

      makes sense. i find having ' my own space' and taking time out very sacred and necessary to my existance...which is a bit difficult here right now....i can see how my mom's constant need for speed made me deflate as a child....
      good timing with this topic sherpa..thank you. :-)

      however i'm not really getting how vesta conjunct merc and oppose pluto playes out in my life.
      mercury i would figure could represent my communication to everyone around me that i 'need a time out'....
      and pluto.....hmmmmm...i don't know.
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        Sun, June 18, 2006 - 8:02 AM
        ok, so i read the descriptions of vesta in one of the above links...and it makes me sound like a freaking sacrifice to the gods...just put me on that altar and have your way.
        i can assure you i am not a sacrificial lamb...maybe this is where pluto comes in? hmmmm...
        i absolutely abhor the way most astrologers define pisces and the 12 house...excuse me if my blood is currently boiling...

        time out.
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          Sun, June 18, 2006 - 8:14 AM
          Vesta lies in Aquarius, along with the Sun in my chart - so it's not surprising that I relate clearly with the interpretation below. I am passionate about environmental issues - the future of our planet - this is paramount....and yes - sacred !

          I don't relate quite as clearly with Vesta in 8th house - although an intense interest in the occult and astrology has always been present in my life.

          Vesta in Aquarius:
          You protect and guard the flame of our future. Your focus is on bringing equality to the masses, your mission to help move the collective towards new goals and new experiences. You have commitments to personal freedom and self expression and believe in the individual. In your search for your own truth you can sacrifice your ability to move about freely, to explore your progressive ideals and visions. You can deny your right to experience the possibilities of life as applied through the mind and imagination. You can live the role of the under dog in order to experience the need that they bring into the world.
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          Sun, June 18, 2006 - 10:14 AM
          yeah, my vesta is also in pisces and those descriptions might be like half true.
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            Sun, June 18, 2006 - 10:25 AM
            My Vesta's in Sag:

            Vesta in Sagittarius:
            You protect the flame of spirituality, knowledge and competition. You feel a commitment to knowledge and to shared wisdom. You are an advocate of fairness and justice and guard the right to be free to explore the world and its assets and gifts. You are focused on the expansion of the soul through the human by understanding the workings of the world and expanding on them. You are likely to deny yourself the right to move, to explore and to tap into your own truth of spirituality as you seek to find your own mission. You can deny yourself a faith and belief basis in an effort to embrace more than a set of possibilities and adherences. You can also sacrifice your inner knowledge and your right to share that with the world and the people in your life and can find competition uncomfortable until you have embraced your truth and purpose.
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              Sun, June 18, 2006 - 10:29 AM
              Kaylie,

              I could not help but notice the extensive use of the pronoun "you" to refer to experiences and perceptions that I am assuming are your own. Is this a linguistic habit (of using "you" when you mean "I") or, are you actually referring to an impersonal third party ?

              Curious.

              -sherpa
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                Sun, June 18, 2006 - 10:35 AM
                Good question Mr. Sherpa,

                One does question my inadequate use of the word "you", when used in the paragraph below. The obvious and enlightening answer to this is that I am an avid user of the "cut and paste" method. In your words, would you like to explain in further and greater detail how Vesta in Sagittarius might characterize a person?

                Thanks in advance,

                -Kaylie

                PS- I do have Gemini Asc, which might explain an impersonal third party.
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                  Sun, June 18, 2006 - 10:36 AM
                  Also, I'd like to point out in advance that I did not use spell check.
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                    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 11:29 AM
                    Hey folks.
                    I have Vesta alone in the 11th Libra w/ no aspecting. I haven’t given it much thought. (Ceres & Juno conj Mars 10-11th cusp virgo) (Pallas conj Uranus Virgo 10th)
                    (Pholus conj Saturn and IC Aqu). All of these hang with other major planets w/ aspects (in assist) as I see it.
                    Vesta hangs alone. From what I read I came to se the “Protector of the sacred flame” theme.
                    This description make it more real though I still have a hard time seeing how it applies.
                    Maybe not being aspected or connected to anything else is why.
                    What do I hold sacred?
                    I’m not quite sure. My Kids are a given, humm, Good deep friendships maybe. When I feel bonded to someone it never goes away. Though I thought this to be a Cancer Sun thing. Peace maker I can be. I feel like a referee to my family and close friends often.
                    Well I’m still not sure how to see this one.
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            Mon, June 19, 2006 - 1:10 AM
            i have been moody and tired lately. its been strange to find all the things i have managed to overlook....

            in re reading this, vesta in pisces would describe my being a community muralist. i facilitate and teach comminity mural making usually for young, urban, impoverished, people of color. duh.

            however, im very NOT mystical. i am very philosophical.

            but i also do sometimes treat my sexuality the way described up there in quentin's first post.

            and my vesta is first house. bob marks has this to say about that part:
            Vesta in the 1st House: Every now and then, you have to get away from everybody and everything in order to recharge. If Vesta is close to the Ascendant, there may have been some blockage at the time of birth.

            it wasn't close to my ascendent, but i very much need the described space.

            its also opposing my barely leo jupiter. (my vesta is barely pisces)
            bob marks says this:
            The stressful aspects (square and opposition) could manifest as religious or philosophical fanaticism (too much focus on one's own point of view) or, conversely, a total lack of focus on matters involving general principles. Overemphasis of sexual matters is also more likely with the stress aspects.

            jupiter, btw, is in my 7th house. doesn't help with the overemphasis on sexual matters. and i do have some very strong philosophical opinions that have been viewed as fanatical by some. i keep a lot of these ideas closeted, waiting for the next 60's like wave of protest to take hold. when that happens i won't seem fanatical anymore. (i guess im saying "fanatical" is a socially relative phenomenae.)

            so that all fits in....
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    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 9:13 AM
    I agree completely with your Vesta perceptions.

    I have mine in Cancer in my 4th house, which of course is the home, roots, and family. But when I first heard of it from Ellie Bach in the 1980's, I wanted to discount it, not seeing it make any significant aspects in my chart. She showed me just how significant it is for me.

    My 4th house Sun is 26 Gemini 09, in a wide conjunction to my Uranus 8 Cancer 50. Wide, yes, but anyone who knows me knows I fit the description of having Sun conjunct Uranus in many ways.

    The midpoint of these two bodies is about 2 Cancer 29. My Vesta is 2 Cancer 30, a rather close match.

    Bill Street rights about Sun/Uranus people:

    "Typically, individuals with Sun-Uranus aspects and midpoints in the birth chart are the ones more often than not that carry the flames of revolutionary desire deep within their being.

    "These are trailblazers that intuitively search for new answers to old problems; that are inspired by new visions of what could be; and feel the oppressiveness, boredom, and stultifying nature of the traditions they inherit to a far greater degree than most. At times brilliant, always curious, and usually courageous, the Sun-Uranus individual may be misunderstood in the times that he or she lives within

    "Sun-Uranus individuals are the types most likely—and eagerly—to take steps which most would see as career suicide.

    "The intrinsic needs of being alive, aware, and conscious are a much greater priority to the Sun-Uranus individual than the steady, but stultifying security of the status quo. They would much rather take the hit-or-miss experimental path than the one of repetition and safety in numbers. Often this need for experimentation in the Sun-Uranus individual makes for an exciting and interesting life. Other times it leads to something truly revolutionary and groundbreaking. When something is groundbreaking, it implies the smashing of that which is foundational—the very shattering of the earth beneath our feet. When the timing is right and the collective consciousness is ready for it, the Sun-Uranus individual breaks new ground and rattles status quo foundations to such an extent that society is indeed truly revolutionized."

    The revolutionary nature began to assert itself in the late sixties, when I got seriously involved with the protest movements. (I used to have a photograph showing myself as one of the students who took over the administration building at Penn State Univ during a mass protest.) My act of adopting the nickname Adam, in 1969, was very much a revolutionary one. As was, considering my upbringing, my getting involved then with numerology, tarot, and most of all, astrology.

    My Chiron in the 10th is 0 Capricorn 01, which is opposition to Vesta.

    When Chiron was discovered, it pulled the whole thing together, and I became totally involved with the pioneering research. I even had one person remark that I was "the keeper of the Chiron flame". I felt as obligated to reveal the truths about Chiron to people as an evangelist is of converting people to Christianity.

    So yes, I'd say you hit it on the nose, sherpa.
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    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 10:10 AM
    HA!
    before i knew as much or anything really about astorlogy
    the thing i said about that ex scorpio of mine
    was that he only cared about his experiences in each moment.

    i had not heard this being associated with anything scorpionic until just now. : )

    his vesta is just barely sag tho.
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      Sun, June 18, 2006 - 12:40 PM
      arize...

      re: "ex scorpio of mine only cared about his experiences in each moment. had not heard this associated with anything scorpionic until now; his vesta is just barely sag tho."

      My thoughts are that this tendency of "the holy here and now" is more Vesta conj. ASC than Scorpio per se; maybe his Sagg Vesta is in the 1st House?
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        Mon, June 19, 2006 - 1:24 AM
        sherpa - yes his sag vesta is just barely still in his first house.

        you suppose that being in the first house does that to him?
        or it being sag?
        or the fact that his first house is cram packed with scorpionic things including his rising? tho its really not near his rising at all.

        i would say tho that his immediate experience is extremely important to him.
        (kinda made me crazy. long term thinking was difficult for him and/or he'd say something one minute and not mean it the next.)

        trying to think if i've been obtusely misinterpreting what would be sacred to him, not being him and all.

        he is extremely protective of his time to himself, or his privacy maybe. im not sure how to describe it. could be he is protecting himself from his own sensitivity. but he needs his alone time and he needs to have his secrets and there's a way in which he sort of combines those two into one and protects it as if it were a vital organ. possibly this is more sacred to him than his immediate experiences.
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    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 11:51 AM
    my Vesta is 0 degrees 29 in leo in my 12th house. It's loosely conjuct my moon in cancer 22 degrees (11th house) and it squares chiron at 7 degrees taurus in the 9th house.

    creative solitude is most definitely sacred to me. as is the development of a healthy ego, and supporting and promoting other healthy ego's.
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      Sun, June 18, 2006 - 12:15 PM
      {{11th House Vesta can symbolize the sacredness of humanity, as in, the part of yourselves that finds common cause with all people}}

      This would make sence. Mine in Libra. Studying history and modern politics, It pains me that so much pain goes on. "Why can't we all just get along" has MUCH meaning for me.
      Lawarence is in Leo. I wonder if aspected to possibly Aries. Much Anger about the fact that we are not all getting along. And the ones that make is so f***ed up. I wonder if many Humanitarians have this in 11th house.
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        Sun, June 18, 2006 - 12:42 PM
        DRagonWire,

        re: "I wonder if many Humanitarians have this in 11th house."

        What's a Humanitarian ? Is that like a Vegetarian or something ?
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          Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

          Sun, June 18, 2006 - 1:26 PM
          Pass.

          I do not have enough of a feel about any of the asteroids still, hence my earier badgering of people here to keep on defining what it meant to them. I still want to see if there is a recognisable signature that is distinguishable from say, Pluto, Moon, Neptune, or whatever.

          I did notice that the torch symbol was apropriated as a symbol by the Conservative party in the UK and isn"t it a symbol for the Olympics too? Tories and Vesta? I'm sure I could think of lots of rude things to say there about that in time.

          My Juno and Pallas are conjunct so those are less easy to work out in my own chart, but my Vesta is in Leo, in the 8th or 9th. It does not really involve any t-squares ofrGrand Crosses, which is what all this becomes if Chiron and Ceres are included too, so little still comes to mind. It makes a wide square to Neptune at 6 degrees and is not far off a moon Venus midpoint. I think Demetra suggests that Vesta can bestow a certain touch-me touch-me-not outlook, which may or may not be a Vesta thing, but probably for me it is true with or without it.
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        Sun, June 18, 2006 - 1:25 PM
        Well I don't know why I feel so much hatred for the pro-Bush crowd. I think it has more to do with personal experience. Frankly alot of those 'neo-conservative' types are not very nice people.

        Then again I HAVE heard that there's a conservative backlash against Ann Coulter that's getting off the ground. Maybe why Coulter's new book has been a big flop compaired to her last two. Y'know I think if more conservatives (if such a term means anything anymore) would just listen to what I have to say without being sarcastic, conddescending or unfairly critical I'd have more respect for them, but they should know if they're trying to change the way I think they will fail. I'm not stupid, and I hate being treated like I'm stupid.
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          Sun, June 18, 2006 - 1:42 PM
          Anyways I looked and I don't really see any negative aspect as far as I know. Well lets see... Vesta is 14 degrees 22' in Leo, Moon 27 degrees Aries and Saturn in Pisces at the cusp of Aries. Think there's a trine with Saturn... Maybe more Sesquiquadrate which is mildly tense...
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            Sun, June 18, 2006 - 2:04 PM
            ok....
            so what does pluto opposing vesta mean?
            could it mean the rebellion against the sacred?
            burning through all the false sacredness?

            12 house is hard to describe...add a ploto opposition to it..and...?
            anyone have any ideas?
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              Sun, June 18, 2006 - 4:02 PM
              star_fish,

              re: "so what does pluto opposing vesta mean? "

              I think you hit the mark with "burning through all the false sacredness". I would only add that this process of molting might require ritualization of some kind with Pluto in the 6th house, meaning, some external dramatization of this transformative process...perhaps your photography ?
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                Sun, June 18, 2006 - 5:26 PM
                "What's a Humanitarian ? Is that like a Vegetarian or something ?"
                Well ya don't gota pick on me gees..he he was just a passing thought.
                Though this placement, it seems to me might put some Importance on trying to make the world "The Great family" a kinder home.
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                Sun, June 18, 2006 - 5:30 PM
                interesting...to be honest i've had some rather negative reactive feelings towards the word 'ritual' - not sure why.
                also i've never really tied in my photography with astrology before, i just did it instinctually.....career wise it's never done me any good tho...it's all been internal...indeed very sacred...photo school at one point also did more damage then good...hmmmmm...you're onto something here...

                sacredness also now makes me think of dance - i danced for most of my life - and when i did i usually went internal, to connect to the music, be it modern class or club nite. often i was told to open my eyes cause that's how internal it was for me. dance/movement/staying in motion is very sacred too. i even told a choregrapher off once cause it was too sacred to give to him...i didn't feel like being a puppet.

                you know, it's hard to cut all this apart, as in what planet,house, aspect,etc does what, cause i feel everything works together as a whole...making it difficult to pinpoint.

                there more i think about it mercury is working with pluto... cutting through with words...spewing poetically when i'm pissed off...and only when i'm mad....most of the time regarding spiritual/humanitarian/animal welfare/psychological/and personal space issues.

                my gawd, that's it!

                i'm still a bit confused why all this in my 6th house. i belive this house gives me some trouble in understanding it...or more like connecting with consciously. i got a lot to unravel.



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                  Sun, June 18, 2006 - 11:25 PM
                  star_fish,

                  re: "interesting...to be honest i've had some rather negative reactive feelings towards the word 'ritual' - not sure why."

                  The word 'ritual' carries negative charge via its many cultural taboos.

                  I use the word 'ritual' stripped of dogma and pomp...as any process that builds a bridge between the internal landscape of archetypes and the outer visible material world through action, gesture, movement, image, sound and often in an unforced and spontaneous way. "ritual" is not a thing as much as how a thing is approached.

                  besides the word 'ritual', i have also had to get more clear about the way i use the word "archetype" which i think is often misunderstood or has lost meaning from over-use and redundancy. i have written something about my use of the word "archetype" if you or anyone cares to understand my view:

                  www.paratheatrical.com/archetype.html
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    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 3:56 PM
    loving unconditionally, forgiving unconditionally, reverence of life, and what i create are first thoughts on what is sacred to me. singing with the consort, creating necklaces when called, allowing the xiao to play me instead of me trying to play it, being of service, are examples of sacred creation that manifests through me.

    vesta in my chart is arian in the fifth and it is semi-sextile my taurian sun in the sixth, trine my leo uranus in the ninth, and possibly conjunct my arian ceres in the fifth (vesta and ceres are separated by 16 minutes).
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    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 9:52 PM
    Sherpa,

    I have Vesta conjunct Venus (orb 1'12")
    in the 2nd House and in 15'Cancer.
    Would this suggest I put women on a pedestal?
    How does the house/sign placement modify this?
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      Sun, June 18, 2006 - 11:14 PM
      Litestorm,

      re: "Vesta conjunct Venus in the 2nd House in Cancer; does this suggest I put women on a pedestal? "

      Love is what makes your life worth living and gives your life value. Your experience of giving and receiving love is also how you know the sacred. Lose heart and lose touch with the sacred.

      When this experience of love is projected onto a woman -- making the woman the source of your love -- then the woman is put on the pedastal. But I think the experience of love came first. Love was on the pedastal first. Then, again, maybe mother love (the Cancer influence) started it all and it's really your mother on the pedastal all along.
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        Mon, June 19, 2006 - 6:57 PM
        I have Vesta in Virgo-11th house. I have Venus in 11th house as well. I really am not sure how to interpret this. Attention to detail and time to recharge-- I can defnately relate to. Artistic abilities, but I often get fed up with my art because it is never as perfect as I want it to be, or it didn't come out the way I had intended. Vesta sextiles my Cancer MC and Uranus in Scorpio.
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          Mon, June 19, 2006 - 8:13 PM
          I have vesta conjunct juno and the moon.
          in virgo
          in the 9H

          any ideas? seems it would merge the element of sacred marriage with the divine mother?
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            Mon, June 19, 2006 - 9:03 PM
            kalikat,

            re: "vesta conjunct juno and the moon in virgo in the 9H"

            Spiritual needs here become synonymous with emotional needs. The conditions of this internal marriage seem to indicate two things: you are married to your vision, or point of view, and that this marriage involves worship and tending to your spirituality through ritual; the Virgo part seems to serve ritual, rather than routine, when in the 9th House.

            yes, the divine mother seems to dwell here.
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              Tue, June 20, 2006 - 2:18 PM
              sherpa
              interesting. I do like the idea of ritual, but my rational mind wonders about it sometimes. like, what is the difference if you circumambulate something 2x instead of the prescribed 3.
              worship is dear to my heart, but i'm not sure how you are integrating it into the idea of marriage - or my vision. its a bit confusing. is it possible for you to say it is a different way?
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                Tue, June 20, 2006 - 2:41 PM
                kalikat,

                That worship is, as you say, dear to your heart may be enough to validate natal Vesta's position.

                As for ritual, well, the "idea of ritual" differs from doing rituals.

                The way i'm using the word 'ritual", refers to HOW an action is performed more than the action itself. Worship, for example, can be rote and routine or it can be a ritual. Ritual and routine are often words confused to mean the same thing. If you (or anyone else here) care to delve a little deeper into what I mean by all this, i refer you to this article i wrote (based in many years of active ritual research):

                www.paratheatrical.com/iconoc...al.html
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                  Tue, June 20, 2006 - 6:03 PM
                  "Worship, for example, can be rote and routine or it can be a ritual."

                  Hmm. I would say it the other way around - ritual can be rote and routine or it can be worship. Worship is what is in your heart, it is the act of honoring the divine. A ritual is a format you can use to worship something, but worship can be done without the form, in the heart.
                  Maybe I am confusing the words around. Thats just what it feels like to me.
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                    Tue, June 20, 2006 - 6:55 PM
                    kalikat,

                    re: "ritual can be rote and routine or it can be worship. Worship is what is in your heart, it is the act of honoring the divine. A ritual is a format you can use to worship something, but worship can be done without the form, in the heart. "

                    I think you worded this Vesta in the 9th process very well.
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Mon, June 19, 2006 - 8:06 PM
    I have a natal Aquarius Vesta in my second house trine Uranus.

    To me this means that I am committed to promoting / supporting / teaching anything that relates to personal / creative freedom in all it's forms, for everyone......I am willing to make monetary sacrifices for the sake of true art and individual expression....but at the same time I see this as a personal choice that I have made.....I feel no contempt for others who decide to " sell out " .....to each his/her own.
    I measure my success in a different way....

    I am usually a champion for causes that seem off-beat or non-traditional to others....
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Mon, June 19, 2006 - 11:03 PM
    Sherpa I am fricken scared

    In relation to your other thread on Pallas, I also have Vesta in Libra in the 8th house. What the hell?!?! Why was I born with so much 8th house Libra emphasis? What did I do in my past life that warranted it?

    To get back on topic, I have Vesta in Libra in the 8th house so I find that valuing the equality and harmony of others to be sacred to me.

    PS I posted my updated chart in my pics section under "with asteroids".
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      Mon, June 19, 2006 - 11:07 PM
      well, you're rising isn't libra - did you do that thread already? im curious cause we have our houses in pretty much the same place, ie, the same asc/dsc, ic/mc.
      • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

        Mon, June 19, 2006 - 11:50 PM
        What you don't get Arize is that having more stuff show up in one place tends to signal something. To me anyway.

        You and Nancy both Aquarius and Nancy has a stellium also. But my point was that I am getting more "rocks and space debris" dumped in to 8th house Libra. I am just trying to figure out what the purpose is, what type of promise am I suppose to fulfill? I am content to sit on my ass and groove along to my tunes or hang out with my buds for rest of my life. But it seems like I am being told to do something, to pay attention. I mean I thought having this would be cute, but I am realizing this is a burden. You called me "ultra libra" and you're right. I have no other objects passing three signs (Capricorn, Aries and Pisces), but most of them in one sign. I tend to believe in God but not in any religious sense. I get the feeling I am being communicated with but I can't hear what's being said or that I don't understand and it's frustrating. Find me one other person with so much in one sign / house and I'll bet you that person is half nuts too. They probably wouldn't be into astrology but it wouldn't matter. They will feel the emphasized energy in their life, but they won't know what to do with it. I sure has hell don't!

        I'm sorry Arize but all of this Air is making me mental.
    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Mon, June 19, 2006 - 11:57 PM
      Brian,

      re: "Vesta in Libra in the 8th house "

      Perhaps you hold sacred the experience of sexual equality ? Of the prospect of sexual intimacy with an equal ?

      My guess as to why you were born with so much fricken Libra is that you have probably lived a hermetically sealed life of solitude in a previous incarnation(s) and that perhaps this innate sensibility of being alone is reflected in a deep familiarity with this experience (as opposed to the cresting novelty of sexual intimacy with another).
      • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

        Tue, June 20, 2006 - 12:18 AM
        "Perhaps you hold sacred the experience of sexual equality ? Of the prospect of sexual intimacy with an equal ?"

        If you mean gender equality then yes I do. I didn't get the "man memo" about treating women as second class citizens. I believe its an Aquarian thing to view everybody as equals.

        In regards to sexual intimacy, I think every one holds sexual intimacy sacred or at least a great majority of people do. So I am not alone there.

        "My guess as to why you were born with so much fricken Libra is that you have probably lived a hermetically sealed life of solitude in a previous incarnation(s) and that perhaps this innate sensibility of being alone is reflected in a deep familiarity with this experience (as opposed to the cresting novelty of sexual intimacy with another)."

        Funny, my personal Tarot card is "The Hermit". And as far living a "hermetically sealed life" I am living one in *this* incarnation counter to what my natal horoscope is pointing toward for me to follow (right now, sexual intimacy *is* a novelty for me).
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Tue, June 20, 2006 - 6:24 AM
    My Vesta is in my first House (along with Sun and Mars!) in Sagittarius. My freedom/autonomy is definitely sacred to me.
    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Tue, June 20, 2006 - 10:52 AM
      My Vesta is in the 6th house, in Cancer. I guess this would indicate I find work (and daily habits) sacred and emotional? No! But maybe it would actually indicate that I need to have work, and daily living, that is emotionally fulfilling to me? It's true, I could never have a career for money, or something I don't care about. It would literally make me sick. I've only had jobs that I don't care about as survival jobs, but I hate it. My vesta sextiles Jupiter (does this mean I'll eventually be lucky in work?) and squares Chiron--hence, feeling sick doing something I don't care about.

      I have noticed in my chart that the mundane houses (2nd, 6th, 10th) are ruled by water signs. Further, my moon is in the 2nd/ 3rd house, ruling my 6th house from there, and my Neptune is in the 10th house, ruling my 2nd house from there. Except for Pluto in my 8th house, all the watery rulers are in these mundane houses too! This has always confused me until I realized it is simply underscoring a need to have emotionally meaningful, maybe even spiritually meaningful work, employment, career, etc., and that I tend to see the value of money as connected to emotional value (10th house Neptune ruling my 2nd house, which contains my moon!). Maybe it even means that Moon and Neptune issues are ways for me to consider making money, not just spending it. I don't know, seems that there is something to all of this. My 6th house Cancer Vesta just falls right into this idea--emotional work that is sacred? My Part of Fortune is also in Cancer in the 6th house, cusp of 5th.

      I also find my watery houses ruled by earth signs odd, but I've come to realize that in order for my emotional, spiritual, creative, love-life to flourish, I have to use a bit of methodical planning and set aside time. Otherwise it falls through the cracks. Strange to have to be very earth-like in 4th house (Taurus), 8th house (Virgo), and 12th house (Capricorn) matters, but it seems that I have more success in these areas when I do treat them like tangible things, almost like mini-business' to be run in my life. Then I can run off and be Moon and Neptune-like about my career, work, money. Very strange, but the puzzle pieces do seem to be starting to fit, in a way. Anyone else (esp. with these house placements) have any ideas on watery signs ruling mundane houses and earth signs ruling watery houses? (All this from a thread on Vesta.)
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    Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Tue, June 20, 2006 - 3:22 PM
    Wooo, this question was a toughie for me.


    Vesta in Libra in the 2nd house opposing Capricorn Sun

    Vesta in Libra, Art and creative expression is sacred. Even though I myself don’t create, most of my friends do and I must be around that energy.

    Vesta in the 2nd house, material possessions are sacred. Well, I’m not very materialistic….but I am a pack rat so I do attach a high value to my material things even if in the real world, they’re not worth much….I am constantly working on detaching some of my emphasis on the material.


    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Tue, June 20, 2006 - 3:46 PM
      B

      re: "Vesta in Libra in the 2nd house"

      I think yuou're interpretations are pretty accurate. I might add that your values might be sacred to you and when you discover what they truly are, then you gain more access to the sacred. What makes your life worth living ? Whatever this is, it constitutes the values that instill a sense of self-worth and worthiness to your life.
      • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ? Rituals

        Tue, June 20, 2006 - 5:58 PM
        Ritual and routine can be the same thing but not necessarily. I see a ritual as something you do by your self or w/others that has a particular purpose. Often to strengthen an energy w/in ones self or to spread an energy outward. A Doctor for instance may have a ritual of washing hand in between patience. For the reason of being clean and not spreading germs. But this may also have a shedding of the energy of the previous patient, so focus can me put on the next. Routine and a small ritual.
        I have a ritual of stretching in the morning before work. The routine part of this is to limber up for the many positions I am about to put myself into, also it is a ritual in that it get the blood flowing and an internal energy flowing for the focus of spreading my Ego and Will in what ever I’m doing that day.
        Then there is also the many established magical rituals that many involve themselves into, for many different purpose’s.
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        Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

        Tue, June 20, 2006 - 6:25 PM


        re: "Vesta in Libra in the 2nd house

        I think yuou're interpretations are pretty accurate. I might add that your values might be sacred to you and when you discover what they truly are, then you gain more access to the sacred. What makes your life worth living ? Whatever this is, it constitutes the values that instill a sense of self-worth and worthiness to your life. "

        Thanks Sherpa,
        Your questions are intriging and quite a challenge, i felt like I had a little break-through just being able to put and answer up.
        and yes, I feel it's almost ridiculous that at my age, I'm still trying to figure something so inate.
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Tue, June 20, 2006 - 6:29 PM
    my Vesta is in Scorpio, 7th house conjunct my Sun & Mercury

    I recently read Demetra George's book & loved it!!

    adding Vesta to my Scorpio stellium definately helped explain why I didn't get married at a young age (like a 7th house sun is 'supposed to'), well besides my Taurus Saturn opposing my Scorpio stellium. Demetra says of a Scorpionic Vesta, "Sexuality is regarded as a peak experience to be had regardless of the existing social taboos."

    of Vesta conjunct Sun, "These people may live out their individually determined sexual values & avoid possessive relationships." & I was happy to note that one of my heroines, Isadora Duncan, had Vesta conjunct Sun (note the many photos I have of her in my photo album here)

    of Vesta conjunct Mercury, "There can exist an overpowering drive to express one's ideas" ~ developing my communication skills has been a major goal for me, especially in the last few years & tribe has been VERY helpful in that pursuit.

    love all-ways,
    mem
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      Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Mon, June 26, 2006 - 11:06 AM
      Sherpa,
      Mind you -your astroid posts are eye opening because I have not used the astroids or ever pondered them much.
      With Pallas, I thought I got it right away for myself but after reading Ceres -the two interpetaions brought more insight and meaning to each of the astroids too.
      Vesta has me somewhat stumped-- sacred , I am familar to..
      I am not doubting the interpetaion just trying to fit the peices together.
      I guess all in good time .
      I am wondering how everyone came up with it so quickly.
      For me, it is almost like being given one wish and I am hesitant to say or claim to anything.
      Or this is an excuse or distraction for my short comings , all in good time I suppose.
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    Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Mon, June 26, 2006 - 1:34 PM
    I have Vesta in my 2nd house, ruled by Cancer.

    This feels so egotistical to write. My sense of the sacred comes from embracing and pursuing that which is uniquely mine. I feel the sacred within me, and connect that sense of sacred to the vast world of unique beings around me. I find individualism and self-expression sacred practices. When I conform to the Will of others, I feel a loss of this.

    I've also felt a fight within me for most of my life - the battle for freedom and independence of all beings, starting with myself. I can't think of anything more sacred than the actualized self, glowing with beautiful strengths and flaws and fears and hopes.
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Mon, July 31, 2006 - 11:26 PM
    vesta 0 13 12th house sag, conjunct north node at 0 38 and saturn 28 30 scorpio. 12th house sag- the sacred joy of transcending the ego.. while remaining totally in control!

    and square pluto 29 21 and pf 26 25 in 8th leo. 8th also contains venus at 16 18 and uranus at 5 55

    other fire, ceres in aries 4th at 16 18. daughter issues for another post.

    i can barely begin to interpret this, but i do agree that it points towards the scared... whoops! sacred. was that saturn poking his nose in there... or the pluto square? after all vesta is conjunct north node.

    i think i need to deal with juno 8 33 conjunct asc capricorn! wish the jealous bitch some luck! jupiter smack dab in the middle of virgo 9th 16 13.

    this gets more and more confusing!
    gina
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Tue, August 8, 2006 - 3:08 PM
    Hello. I have Vesta in Leo, conjunct midheaven, in 9th house (with saturn standing close by in leo in the 9th, about a 5 deg orb).

    At the risk of being totally cheesy, I would like to reply with my fav poem.....

    The Builders (by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow)

    All are architects of Fate,
    Working in these walls of Time;
    Some with massive deeds and great,
    Some with ornaments of rhyme.

    Nothing useless is, or low;
    Each thing in its place is best;
    And what seems but idle show
    Strengthens and supports the rest.

    For the structure that we raise,
    Time is with materials filled;
    Our todays and yesterdays
    Are the blocks with which we build.

    Truly shape and fashion these;
    Leave no yawning gaps between;
    Think not, because no man sees,
    Such things will remain unseen.

    In the elder days of Art,
    Builders wrought with greatest care
    Each minute and unseen part;
    For the gods see everywhere.

    Let us do our work as well,
    Both the unseen and the seen;
    Make the house where gods may dwell
    Beautiful, entire, and clean.

    Else our lives are incomplete,
    Standing in these walls of Time,
    Broken stairways, where the feet
    Stumble, as they seek to climb.

    Build today, then, strong and sure,
    With a firm and ample base;
    And ascending and secure
    Shall tomorrow find its place.

    Thus alone can we attain
    To those turrets, where the eye
    Sees the world as one vast plain,
    And one boundless reach of sky.

    *

    I'd say what is sacred to me is creating beauty in the world with quality and excellence, esp the little everyday things. It's a very soulful experience. If my work isn't done with that kind of sense of integrity, to me, it really isn't worth doing.



    green lunch meat: don't eat it

    (PS--Beauty can also be something intangible like ideas, systems, math, and then there's li (which can be tangible I guess, but I think I'll stop before I go into all that....)
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Wed, November 8, 2006 - 3:43 AM
    Woah...
    All these talk about Vesta..
    I feel like i've opened up a can of... say, Gummi jelly worms before i was ready. Curiosity may have killed the cat here... I feel like a newbie again.

    I just found out a few days ago that my Vesta is exactly conjunct my Moon at 3' Taurus in the 12th house. I knew Chiron is nearby at 9'... ??? I'm still trying to figure out how my Chiron is affecting my Moon, Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Mars and N.Node aspects configuration!!! Time to consult the experts...

    I will need to do more study and research on Vesta the astroid before i can begin understanding this position. Can someone kindly fill me in on the basics of this Vestal position, just off the top? The 12th house is already tough enough to understand on its own... let alone with trines to the 4th and 8th...

    In a way, this explains my identification with Hestia as my inner goddess, along side with Artemis and persephone. I definitely identify with Hestia's association with the sacred fire of the hearth. Home is my inner sanctum and i'll defend it by all means. I can also relate to the association of the Vestal Virgins with Virgo, which is prominent in my chart. Thanks for the link to the explanations, suzie.

    I have uploaded my chart into my album if anyone liked to take a peek. Any help will be appreciated.
    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Thu, November 9, 2006 - 8:42 AM
      I just had an epiphany in the other 12th House tribe.

      Vesta in the 12th: I hold sacred what is hidden in me; my subconcious. But i must learn to let it go and set it free; or it will become my inner confinement.

      Sometimes over-analyzing actually misses the point. We could learn much more when we take a back seat for a little while, and let our intuition lead the way.
      Just reminding myself...
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        Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

        Fri, November 10, 2006 - 5:15 AM
        12th here also.
        Meditation/Focus practices have done wonders here!
        Nothing like 'listening to your heart' to clear the haze...
        • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

          Fri, November 10, 2006 - 11:28 AM
          yet sometimes i wonder... when do the haze clear enough for your heart to listen, and when do your heart listen enough for your haze to clear?

          *tongue-in-cheek* ;-)
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    Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Wed, November 8, 2006 - 5:18 AM
    I have Vesta in the 9th, Scorpio, conjunct Neptune in the 8th. I am devoted to learning about the spiritual and the esoteric. I learn best by travel/pilgrimage. ? Oh, perhaps "alternate states" are powerful experiences to teach me these things as well.
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    Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Wed, November 8, 2006 - 10:04 PM
    I'd say it fits... :) Vesta in Sagittarius conjunct Pallas and Neptune. My creativity, imagination and the freedom to express & explore both on a daily basis (6th house) are what I hold sacred. I make a concerted effort to make some time every day for working on my art, reading up on my favorite subjects or just meditate and dream.
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Wed, November 8, 2006 - 11:50 PM
    My Vesta is in Libra in the 6th house.

    focuses on partnership matters. Good for focusing on either the social or artistic side of any situation. Good also for projects requiring an artistic sense or social interaction.

    Every now and then, you have to take an extra day off from work. If you don't, you will get drained and sick. When you do work, you can be highly focused. The nature of your work style will depend on the sign that Vesta is in.

    That is sacred to me, but I'm a Libra sun sign and Libra mercury...so maybe this just puts more emphasis on my partnerships. I know relationships are very important to me, and if they aren't going well, I feel incomplete even if other things are going well.
    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Wed, November 8, 2006 - 11:51 PM
      oh, and arts are also sacred to me...so this makes sense. :)
      • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

        Thu, November 9, 2006 - 5:32 AM
        I didn't have an answer to this when first posted because I was new and didn't know about it so much. But now I think I have a good grasp on it after learning here. Vesta in Virgo 11th house. I love my tribe, my people and I look out for them. I've always been this way. Sextile my Cancer MC probably adds to it. I'll defend and help anyone that needs my help. Making a difference is important. I especially like to work with and help children-maybe bc Aquarius-natural ruler of 11th is my 5th house cusp. I don't mean a public or known impact so much. My sun in the 10th might say different, but I think a sextile from 12th house planets adds to this in that just reaching out to people individually is important. My mom used to tell me I lived in a dream world because I was always worried about people and I always wanted people to be happy-sometimes I was too idealistic-very 60's peace love and happiness. ;) Always wanting everyone to get along and I go out of the way to keep the peace or to be there for someone. I think as I've gotten older, this became more realistic (a little bit) but I still want happiness for all. Vesta trine Chiron.
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 5:30 AM
    Mine is in Aries in the 7th, conjoining Mars, trine jupiter and uranusin sagittarius in the 3rd, and sextile moon in aquarius in the 5th.
    Not really sure what it means, maybe that im an independant partner who is loving and intellectual and fiery.:)
    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Fri, November 10, 2006 - 7:01 AM
      Alchemy Elixir,

      re: "Vesta in Aries in the 7th"

      The point of marriage is not to create a quick commonality by tearing down all boundaries; on the contrary, a good marriage is one in which each partner appoints the other to be the guardian of his solitude, and thus they show each other the greatest possible trust. A merging of two people is an impossibility, and where it seems to exist, it is a hemming-in, a mutual consent that robs one party or both parties of their fullest freedom and development. But once the realization is accepted that even between the closest people infinite distances exist, a marvelous living side-by-side can grow up for them, if they succeed in loving the expanse between them, which gives them the possibility of always seeing each other as a wholeand before an immense sky.

      Rainer Maria Rilke
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    Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 5:56 AM
    Vesta in Capricorn:
    You keep the flame of tradition and integrity safe. You are focused on maintaining the status quo that is healthy and important to both your life and the world in general. You are dedicated, disciplined and possess enormous focus and will power. You can deny yourself possessions and resources as you seek to find the truth of your spiritual purpose and role. You can deny yourself the structure and the stability that financial assets bring into life. You have a keen understanding of the importance of personal responsibility and obligations and promote their purpose through your actions and life. Your focus is on building strength and integrity in both your personal life and the world in general.
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 7:17 AM
    I think I have a new one here - Vesta is in my 5th house in Capricorn along with my Sun.

    When I was reading the meanings of the houses and how its "focus" it made me think of that "intensity" thread that ran a few days ago. I wonder if the capricorn part of me is what makes me so focused on things sometimes?

    Also I found it very interesting that the 5th house stated that I have the need to get away and take a break even from loved ones. That is so true...I am a loner by nature and I love being around people but I am someone who needs a lot of independance and freedom to keep my sanity. I will go away...and I will be faithful the whole time ...but if you give me free reign I will always still return.

    I think what I "hold sacred" is my personal freedom and independence.
    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Fri, November 10, 2006 - 7:48 AM
      Coors,

      re: "Vesta in Cap in the 5th House"

      With this placement, I have no doubt that what you "hold sacred" is your personal freedom and independence. I might add that this freedom may also be part of a larger process of recreating yourself; the freedom necessary to recreate oneself, over and over, again. Many artists realize that creation often happens alone and away from the crowds when one can face the muse or the music and act as a vessel for its expression through us. The sign of Capricorn especially cherishes this solitude and its dignity of serving creation.
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        Fri, November 10, 2006 - 11:14 AM
        Thanks for your comments Sherpa....I always thought that the 5th house represented creative expression also. For so long I never saw myself as a terribly creative person. I can draw stick figures, guitar still eludes me even though I can sing, and even though I was interested in art I always longed for some sort of outlet that fit me.

        About a year ago I started silversmithing - the torch and all and I seem to have found my creative outlet. I think what I like most is the ability to just be absorbed in something and forget about the outside world. And we Cappy's are usually good with our hands ;-)
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          Fri, November 10, 2006 - 11:33 AM
          Yes Coors, 5th house is very much about creative expresson but not always Art; creativity being a much vaster category than Art. The essential quality or state of consciousness of the 5th House, IMO, is enchantment, a kind of trance of wonderment that comes from inhabiting a unique world of one's own creation. Children who have not yet been spoiled or ruined are natural 5th House guides in this way.
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    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 4:59 PM
    Thanks Sherpa for your reply, sounds good, alot like me I think and the partners I attract, I have to be my own person at all costs, love my freedom, but am very loyal, find I have quite a psychic connection to my partners, yet am not overly possessive, probably competitive tho(if they are interested in another, I do like to be number 1):). I love people who are themselves, dont need to prove or pretend , just natural, uncomplicated and especially not manipulative or controlling.
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    Sat, November 11, 2006 - 9:39 AM
    Vesta in the 8th House: ".... if you have Vesta in the 8th house, you simply cannot have sex 24/7. Take a break."

    This part of the description made me laugh, but it's not really me. I'm not a prude, just not so hung up on sex or intimacy.

    Vesta in Pisces: focuses on dreams and imagination. Good for projects focusing on helping people, or for any project requiring lots of imagination.
    and
    Vesta Trine Neptune: increase ability to focus the imagination. This can be a very good
    placement for both artists and scientists, since it makes visualization of the final product easier.

    Again, this doesn't sound too much like me. Although I have a vivid and odd imagination, I consider myself more grounded and focused. Of course, these traits are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

    I'm not too sure about how this translates to what I hold sacred? A sexually charged imagination? A love of an imaginative romp?
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      Sat, November 11, 2006 - 12:13 PM
      Merrick,

      re: "Pisces Vesta in the 8th House"

      Here the sense of the sacred comes via profound receptivity to the deeper cycles of nature as experienced through your own vital instincts and swaying emotions. You'd most likely experience Vesta in the calm before and/or after a trauma, crisis or outside shock of some kind triggering a state of ego surrender. Sure, sex can do this and so can drugs but also life itself in all its myraid momenet-to-moment manifestatons of unexpected changes.
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        Sun, November 12, 2006 - 7:54 AM
        I like your version much better! As always, insightful and beautifully written. Change is a big issue for me: I hate it, but long for it so often. I go into something new/major life changes kicking and screaming and then surprise myself with a calm acceptance. Also in contrast, I am one of those people that can become very focused and calm when there is a crisis.
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    Sat, November 11, 2006 - 1:52 PM
    My Vesta is at 14deg Pisces in the 3rd House.
    I haven't really worked with this asteroid much at all...primarily because it has never really held the interest or fascination that Chiron, Juno and Ceres have for me.

    Maybe I could make ONE guess about my Pisces/3rd House Vesta: Perhaps I believe in the sacredness of INFORMATION. That is: any information which I become privy to, and also the Piscean style of dispensing and gleaning information by abstract "cosmic-asorbtion" rather than by the mundane and biased application of narrow questioning.

    Just for shits 'n' giggles, for no EFFING REASON AT ALL...I decided to go look up the Vesta position of one Albert Einstein! It turns out that Einstein's Vesta is in Cancer and conjunct the 7th House-cusp/Decendent. So....
    ....this man considers RELATIVITY (7thHouse) to be sacred!!!!!!! Mein Freunden, das ist ein "no brainer"!! Ha ha!

    [This examination supports my "Vedic" approach to astrology. It seems that the House is the "what" and the sign is the "how". Of course the "what" comes first...because otherwise we would be putting the cart before the horse. The more I study astrology, I find that house-placement is incredibly more primary than sign placement...and the house a planet is in actually can make you wrongly guess a person's sign as the natural ruling sign of the house!!!! Anyhow, that is as far I'll draw that tangent today. Food for another post.]

    Asteroids are little things that mean alot. Kind of like "specific important little issues" as opposed to the broader general issues associated with the "real" planets. After all, with the exception of the Sun, ALL THE PERSONAL PLANETS ARE SMALL. These are the planets we use to determine the LITERAL NUCLEUS of the personality...pretty much because it works to do so. Maybe this gives an idea how much size really does or doesnt matter. The other factor is distance. The asteroids hang out between Mars and Jupiter in what I call the "transpersonal zone". It is that space between the actual YOU and the more general traits you share with people born during different eras, whcih include your peers born in your own "era".

    Vesta, like other asteroids, is a tiny issue which flies around in the Transpersonal Zone. Maybe like beads on a necklace. This asteroid necklace represents our nagging "issues", and we wear them close to us...but also so others can see them. (MAYBE OTHERS SEE THEM WHEN WE CAN"T SEE THEM OURSELVES.) Juno is about our issues in relationships. Chiron is about our issues of suffering, healing and teaching, being healed and being taught. Vesta is about things which we think are sacred, I agree... And therefor has a close association with Chiron because it represents a vulnerability,. Something which we are willing to defend, put ourselves on the line for, and inVEST in!

    Maybe Vesta is more about what we INVEST OURSELVES IN.

    Looking again at Einstein's Cancerian Vesta, I see that it is disposited by his Moon in Saggitarius in the 11th House. He was nurturing and developing (Cancer) a philosophy (Saggitarius) about relativity and dispensing it to the masses (11th House). Looking at the dispositor of a planet is extremely revealing over simply taking it alone.

    I think it would be more accurate to say that Vesta is about personal "spiritual inVESTment", as exemplified by my abstract look at Albert Einstein's Vesta.

    Thanks, Albert!
    You are STILL working for us.






    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Sat, November 11, 2006 - 4:11 PM
      FJ,

      re: "I think it would be more accurate to say that Vesta is about personal "spiritual inVESTment", as exemplified by my abstract look at Albert Einstein's Vesta. "

      Thanks for posting the excellent Einstein example of natal Vesta. This notion of "what is sacred" that I assign to natal Vesta seems to parallel your notion about personal "spiritual inVESTment". Something becomes sacred thanks to our personal spiritual investment in it.

      I also assign Houses to the "what" and signs to the "how" and with more clout invested in the Houses. With your Vesta in the 3rd House, I would say you regard ideas as sacred and, perhaps more essentially, those innately 3rd house processes of communication, learning and linguistics or the "languaging of your perceptions". That your Vesta is in Pisces suiggests that you can be a very good listener and that the very act of listening itself may lead to a "sacred" experience.
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        Sun, November 12, 2006 - 1:50 AM

        vesta in leo here...4 th house
        conjunct venus
        conjunct juno
        trine uranus
        square saturn

        i see woman and romantic connections as making my life richer, even if i havent got a penny in my pocket
        the feeling of being in love, creating a love, or having someones love available, is what gives my life sense, fulfillment

        carlo
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    Sat, November 18, 2006 - 7:12 PM
    Vesta in Taurus: takes time to focus, but once they do, they may find it difficult to stop. Good for anything requiring lots of persistence.

    Vesta in the 7th House: When you are married or living with someone (someone you are involved with, and not just a roommate) you have to have your own space. You cannot be around them 24 hours a day. Get away, even if it is just for an hour or so at a time. If not, you will tend to get drained and sick. Be sure to discuss this with them before you move in together, otherwise they might think it is strange when you want to take separate vacations.

    This so completely and totally describes me, I need space and alone time.
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      Sat, November 18, 2006 - 9:03 PM
      I don't know how to identify what Houses my Asteroids are in... but I know what Signs...
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      So far most of my Asteroids are in EXTREMELY ironic placements.

      Chiron in Taurus - always feeling empty or unfulfilled
      Ceres in Cancer - The Mother Sign in the Mother Goddess!!!! Nuff said.
      Pallas in Aries - The God of War himself fused with the Warrior Goddess!!! Again, nuff said.
      Juno in Scorpio - not sure about this one, but I think it's close enough to being ironic since it was almost Libra. The partners I get match it though.

      And now we get to Vesta, which is also ironic.

      Vesta in Virgo (the Virgin and the Virgin Guardian)

      Vesta in Virgo:
      You guard the flame of health, service and healing. Your focus is on fixing and making whole the myriad of pieces in your life. You are disciplined and dedicated to doing all you can. In your quest for your own spiritual mission you are likely to deny yourself the right to feel whole, healthy and vibrant. Your sexuality can range from puritanical to free spirited and is likely to be a core focus that allows you to come to terms and accept your own personal truths and mission as well as to embrace your own right to accept and receive. You can also deny the need for order and detail in your life.


      I am rarely sick, and if I get sick, it's never for long and I don't even allow it to affect me too much. I am constantly trying to fix my friends' problems. I am also dating a doctor (of all things) who insist on thinking that I should be one as well, and I am studying psychology which would go into a professional degree if I wanted. The sexuality issue is quite prevalent in my life.
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    Sun, November 19, 2006 - 4:19 PM
    My Vesta is in Capricorn close to the MC in the ninth house. I don't know what this means. I was a virgin until this year when I hit my Jupiter return in Scorpio. When people found out that I was a virgin they thought it was because I wanted to wait until marriage or that I was innocent. My Juno is also in Capricorn in the eighth house. Could someone make sense of this?
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      Sun, November 19, 2006 - 4:34 PM
      re: "Vesta is in Capricorn close to the MC in the ninth house"

      accomplishment as sacred; *knowing the sacred* could result from achieving your ambitions and making your dreams come true.
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        Sun, November 19, 2006 - 5:27 PM
        Me Cap sun ~
        Vesta in Scorpio, my 3rd house is in Scorpio
        I do have a friend I care deeply for who is a Scorpio

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          Sun, November 19, 2006 - 6:41 PM
          My Vesta is in Capricorn in the 6th house.
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            Sun, November 19, 2006 - 6:45 PM
            Vesta in Capricorn. Your focus now is on accomplishment, achievement, and getting the respect you deserve for your work. You can take on more career responsibilities now and even become a leader in your field, but you'll have to be dedicated and willing to sacrifice other pleasures for success.

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          Sun, November 19, 2006 - 6:46 PM
          Vesta in Scorpio. Are you ready to get deep? Your ability to focus on the intimate inner psychological world of your partner and business associates can lead you into a deeper commitment. As you look into their depths, concentrating on your partner's flaws can become obssessive, not to mention a big turn-off; seek to understand each others' depths more than to criticize.


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          DLM
  • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Mon, June 22, 2009 - 11:16 AM
    Vesta is tightly conjunct my South Node in Capricorn 5th house. Vesta trines Pluto and Uranus, and also has a tight sextile to Chiron.

    So it would seem I was a priestess at the hearth of creativity and children? NNode in Cancer 11th house calls on me to engage the innate skills I have brought to this lifetime and to apply those skills on a broader scope in a community, or tribe. I also have a strong sense that my own children will be involved in this endeavor.
    Vesta conjunct SNode also gives me understanding to why it is that I have a certain resistance or resilience in the struggle and give and take of relationships.
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    Mon, June 22, 2009 - 2:15 PM
    Vesta in Leo 12H which is in opposition with my Aquarius Mercury in the 6H

    I have no idea what that means
    • Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

      Mon, June 22, 2009 - 2:27 PM
      <I have no idea what that means >

      I am tempted to say that is what it means. LOL! Just joking.

      Perhaps it indicates that what you hold sacred are the ineffable mysteries and questions that are hard to ask, particularly when they seem to strike close to home.
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    Re: VESTA: What is sacred ?

    Mon, June 22, 2009 - 5:20 PM
    WOW .... no one has vesta in Gemini but me?????

    sacred gossiping/ sacred flighty/ sacred disorganization / sacred rational / sacred adaptability / sacred nervous energy / sacred clever wit / sacred energy / sacred opinions


    I think I am pretty tightly bundled in geminiesque ... even when its not in my best interest... I am always running after people who can lay down really thick witty verbose ..a lot of times this personality trait doesn't really work in well with my emotional insecurities, vesta is also in the 4th house and I have so much pisces/scorpio on top of that... I've noticed i am always surrounded by aquarius and scorpio ..which might be the 2 signs that can be clever and still show receptivity towards sensitivity . aquarius has its own way of being receptive by being open and willing to put themselves out there for all kinds of people which has a way of making me feel secure in their company.

    I dont know if this vesta gemini think is so great... its good for my north node which is in the same sign/house ...but as far as having focus and purpose in life ... I really dont feel that organized in one area ....deep down I sense that my skills in life are probably going to be more intangible ..like conversations and friendships, energetic moments... I dont think i am really close to this place yet though.. I think my t square involving moon/mercury - to jupiter has so much stabilization left to acquire ... I do think the experience of balancing all that will make it easier to keep the gemini all over the place thing going and hopefully strengthen my ability to deal with emotions and rational equally

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