Who has mars/pluto aspects in their charts? How is the aspect prominent in your life? Extreme violence, assertiveness,etc.
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 5:49 PMI know I have a trine. That's all I know, though... :)
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 6:01 PMhahahaha! the first thing I thought of is... "is there anyone I know who has a tendency towards violence?" then I thought of someone I met whom has been arrested for fist fighting, attacking women (including his mother), going to peace rallies just to start riots, and generally has extreme anger issues. I looked up his chart, and laughably, he has mars in aquarius square pluto in scorpio.
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 6:41 PMMine are square, part of my grand cross. Mars in Taurus, Pluto in Virgo. I'm very peaceful. I rarely raise my voice.
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 6:58 PMmy chart has mars conjunct mercury which forms a trine with pluto conjunct saturn...umm the will power to take action in logically evolving through transformation?? when my mind is made up, im already a new person. -
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 7:09 PMnot an aspect, but clearly in cahoots:
1st house Mars in Scorpio cnj ASC
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 7:14 PMstevo,
do you interpret pluto as ruling scorpio or do you look at pluto & mars as this sign's co-rulers?
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 9:09 PMi segregate the rulerships. it's the 21st century and anything that can be simplified should be. pluto rules scorpio and mars rules ares.
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 7:15 PMMars/Moon mutual reception (Moon in Scorpio Mars in Cancer)
Mars trine/conjunct Pluto in Scorpio.... yeah I know -
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 7:24 PMi have a mars/moon mutual reception too..(moon in aries and mars in cancer)...my emotional needs are that of taking action for what i want from my environment..you?? -
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 9:58 PMMoon in Aries Mars in Cancer
I am a ball of fire. My source of energy is my need to be involved in everything. That need springs from my insecurity that I am not doing enough for others. I want to create a home-type setting wherever I am and want to be thought of as a family member wherever I go. When others suggest that I am being intrusive, I become hurt and angry, but direct both of these emotions inward. I tend to become accident-prone and get headaches during times of stress, frustration, inactivity or when obligations keep me from doing “my thing.” When I scream and yell at you its because I do not feel that your actions are in your best interest.
Notables: Gangster Al Capone, b. 01-18-1899; Maine Senator Edmund Muskie, b. 03-28-1914; Adventurer Sir Edmund Hillary, b. 07-20-1919; First Lady Nancy Reagan, b. 07-06-1921.
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 8:23 PMi have mars conjunct pluto in the 3rd house so it affects me in how i communicate or argue,but because my mars is in libra and pluto is in virgo I think those signs sort of modify the expression of this powerful planetary conjunction from violence persay.I am a freedom fighter and truth seeker. -
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 9:21 PMI've actually been thinking bout this lately. I've got Mars 11th House Aries opposite Pluto 4th Libra and everything I read about Mars in Aries is totally not who I am at all. Actually, I shouldn't say that. I'm sometimes like that, but it has to be pulled out of me and it's hard cuz I'm always automatically all about keeping this harmonious and not taking risks. It's interesting you guys would mention violence too, because I have always been very anti-violence.
Lucid, do you find that you are very direct with people when it comes to things that are important to you? Are people sometimes taken aback by how easily you express yourself? -
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 9:40 PMI got Mars Conjuct Sun Trine Pluto.... I get what I want when I want.... I have no need to fight a meaningless battle...
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 3:18 PM"I've actually been thinking bout this lately. I've got Mars 11th House Aries opposite Pluto 4th Libra and everything I read about Mars in Aries is totally not who I am at all. Actually, I shouldn't say that. I'm sometimes like that, but it has to be pulled out of me and it's hard cuz I'm always automatically all about keeping this harmonious and not taking risks. It's interesting you guys would mention violence too, because I have always been very anti-violence. "
I know someone who has their ascendant in aries opposing venus in libra and no one would think they have any aries in them at all, but sometimes he'll have bursts of awkward self-assertion before becoming quiet and passive again. It seems to me that with oppositions, a person cannot integrate the two opposing forces easily, so either one comes out or the other does.
Ha... a 4th house pluto in libra makes me wonder what kind of home life you had.. and with the mars oppostion, what role your father played in it. I've just discovered the whole "reading your family history and how you related to it by your birth chart" thing, which is pretty fun to test.
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 3:53 AMsaturn acts as a midpoint for pluto and mars -all in libra.
the only fighting i do is in the sparring ring.
but i am expertly trained in fighting ice cold wars.
my aries moon in 8th house doesnt like to keep so quiet though. -
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 5:43 AMi would say for the pluto mars square, people that withold their agression, or have to do it for some reason... they are very aggresive, but totally not expressive about it..
a friend of mine has the transit, and one minor misdemeanor and he has to go to jail.. kind like probation, and normal he is this crazy aggresive dude... so this transit is teaching him to be more controlled, and also to not express a big portion of his agression
myself i have saturn on the midpoint of mars and pluto.. i guess this makes me mature and not the kind of person that would blow up in your face... since they are all in scorpio!
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 6:54 AM"i would say for the pluto mars square, people that withold their agression, or have to do it for some reason... they are very aggresive, but totally not expressive about it.."
Giancarlo, sweeping generalization there. ugghh...... No, they aren't all that way. Then again, you'd have to feel the aggression in order to withhold it, wouldn't you? I don't feel aggressive. Just a harmless pussycat. Even my EX said I was very easy to get along with (he divorced for other reasons) -
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 9:19 AMI have both in Virgo 10th,though mars is 1 deg from 11th cusp.
Mars 23deg Pluto 10deg
not aspected, Mars exact conj. Ceres. Theres a private joke there, see Ceres is Pluto's wife..lol..
Those and Uranus 3deg. so none conj, make my 10th a busy place.
all 3 aspect Moon..
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 5:07 PMI have the opposition. When I think of Mars/Pluto I think of great strength, great will. Bruce Lee had it. There's been a Mars/Pluto opposition going on since last week. How is that going for everyone? I'm in the legal business. Since Jupiter is part of my Mars/Pluto, many of my transits come through that way. My Mars is in Aquarius, and right now I'm working on a case involving a scientist and bioterrorism. A woman's Mars and the aspects it makes will partially describe what she looks for in her partner. My Mars trines Neptune, and my b/f is an Aries with Pisces rising. My Mars/Pluto is on his nodal axis, Pluto on his NN, which trines his MC. It has a very magnetic effect along with our Plutos being in mutual reception, his in 5 and mine in 8. Also, his Pluto trines my Asc. I've found my Pluto/Mars to work out very well in synastry.
MARS OPPOSE PLUTO
You have a powerful will and when you want something, you pursue it passionately and relentlessly
until you achieve it. You may be so driven by your desire that you lose all objectivity. You often become
compulsive, even obsessed, with doing or achieving something, no matter what the costs or how hard
you must work for it. Your forcefulness may be veiled or subtle, for often you do not reveal your real aims and intentions to others. You have enormous energy reserves, and are capable of extraordinary effort and great achievement. -
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 5:15 PMThey are trine in my chart. And I am pretty strong. Not Machoa strong, just plain ol' strong.
Strong will, strong convictions, physical strength, My triangulations make me happy! -
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Sun, September 23, 2007 - 3:10 AMto kitten:
i know it sounds generalizing but 4 close contacts of mine have this configuration, all in different signs, and all have similarities, so i make my own opinion
its like frustrated energy, and its is certainly there.. but it takes a long time for these individuals to express it, if they will ever... the might have a rage inside, but will not easily show it... they will show it behind the scenes, or maybe even act it out on weaker individuals.. maybe house placement will be important to, like having 1,5 or 10th house placements making it more expressive..
my smaller brother has mars trine pluto, with mars in the 12th house... i am talking about a 16 year old boy, who will never back away from a fight... he never did, even when a group of 10 guys came after him he fought.. has been in jail also for 4 months, he has tremendous strenght but i still not very smart about it....
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Sun, September 23, 2007 - 4:04 AMGiancarlo, that helps me understand your viewpoint better, so thanks for explaining!
My Mars does sit in my 10th house. lol
I am very slow to anger even though my passions run deep; I have a lot of patience. Maybe because I was raised with being taught to ALWAYS be patient..... perhaps that curbed any aggressive tendencies. Could be. I tend to "stop to think" first, before reacting outwardly. Much self discipline there. I am sorry to hear about your brother. :o( -
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Sun, September 23, 2007 - 9:01 PMB,
I had a pretty wierd, random home life growing up. 5 kids, one mother who was always working. we were pretty poor...you know, the stuff a VH1 Behind The Music is made of lol. but growing up, I took responsibility for my sibs cuz my mom was always working. Ironically, my mother is as Libra as Libras come which is funny to me because 4th is about home yet she was practically never there. Honestly I wonder if Pluto 4th is telling me to accept transformation, change and your own power. When you're young and all you know is making a home, I wonder if it becomes ingrained a natural response to living. I mean, i didn't really have much of a childhood in the "normal, assumed" way. I wonder if all that early responsibilty trapped me in certain ways of thinking or, more importantly since my lord of 1st house Cancer is also in 4th, feeling. And maybe Pluto is kinda like, considering it's proximity to 5th house of fun and creativity, egging me out of those patterns.
Moon and Giancarlo,
my aggressive nature is volatile in the sense that i can't control it. as i said before, i've got mars opp pluto. i very very rarely get angry with people, but when i do, it's explosive. that may just be my taurean nature, however. but i remember growing up, nomatter how upset we were about our lives or the predicament of not being able to do things the other kids did cuz we didn't have money or cuz our parents were absent, we never felt like we were allowed to be angry about it because how could we? as an adult, i have a sort of delayed anger. someone can deliberately hurt me and i won't get angry at first, but instead only after i stew in it. but then as soon as i do, it'll go away. and when I do explode, i sometimes get violent to the point that i'll be standing there after the fact and someone will be bleeding or crying or in shock of what i just did. if it happened often, one could say i have anger management issues. but because it practically never does, i just wonder if there's some correlation with my natal chart and this aspect of my personality, especially after i learned what Mars signifies and that i have it in Aries. -
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Mon, September 24, 2007 - 11:33 AMthat's really interesting. your mother was a libra and your libra is in the 4th house? ha.. isn't it funny how literal charts can get? sounds like a hefty dose of Life... thank you for sharing!
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Mon, September 24, 2007 - 11:16 AMI am a libra rising(to let you know) with pluto in scorpio retrograde in the first house ......I have my sun in gemini in the 9th and my mars and mercury are conjunct in my 9th house both my mars and my mercury are trine my pluto.......pluto is 2 degrees my mercury is in cancer 2 degrees my mars is in cancer 3 degrees....where it gets funny is my venus (libra ascendents ruler) is in taurus in the 8th(the end of the 7th so interpreted there...aspects tech from both) and its conjunct my moon which is in taurus which is in the 8th.....crazy yeah -
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Mon, September 24, 2007 - 8:56 PMyeah B, I read somewhere that 4th House is the indicator of the mother, too. Wierdness. -
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Tue, September 25, 2007 - 9:38 AMHows this for weird, my sons IC, 4th house cusp exactly conjuncts my sun in libra at 21 degrees. i am a stay at home Mom and I do have 2 other children. But out of my 3 children, i swear this boy is me with outdoor plumbing, lol.. he looks like me and has some of the same personality traits as me.
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 11:41 AMDerrick said: "Moon and Giancarlo, my aggressive nature is volatile in the sense that i can't control it. as i said before, i've got mars opp pluto. i very very rarely get angry with people, but when i do, it's explosive. that may just be my taurean nature, however. but i remember growing up, nomatter how upset we were about our lives or the predicament of not being able to do things the other kids did cuz we didn't have money or cuz our parents were absent, we never felt like we were allowed to be angry about it because how could we? as an adult, i have a sort of delayed anger. someone can deliberately hurt me and i won't get angry at first, but instead only after i stew in it. but then as soon as i do, it'll go away. and when I do explode, i sometimes get violent to the point that i'll be standing there after the fact and someone will be bleeding or crying or in shock of what i just did. if it happened often, one could say i have anger management issues. but because it practically never does, i just wonder if there's some correlation with my natal chart and this aspect of my personality, especially after i learned what Mars signifies and that i have it in Aries. "
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Pluto/Mars energy is also incorporated into:
Pluto in H1
Mars in Scorpio
Mars in H8
Aries in H8
Aries on the cusp of H8
Scorpio on the ASC
The more of this energy a person has in their chart, the stronger the energy will be, especially if it's angular.
Yeah, Derrick, you'd have to synthesize your Mars/Pluto in your chart by considering what house/s and sign/s it's in. Taurus would be more physical.
Mars/Pluto will be different for a man than a woman. It's a very yang energy, so is probably more acceptable in a man than a woman by societal standards, more acceptable energy in the States where it's okay to be a strong, independent woman than in a place where females are held back by society.
Mars/Pluto women want to be equals, want to take charge, participate. They're not going to wait for someone to show up, let life pass them by. They feel "if I don't do it, it's not going to happen." They want some control in their life. Like if they want to start a business or if they want to be a single mother, they're not going to wait for someone to decide that for them.
Mars is the ruler of Aries, an initiating energy. It gives independence. Aries is associated with anger. Aries follows Pisces and may have come from a place of victimization, deprivation or abuse and says "no more" to being a victim. Why do people get angry? When they see injustice or things that don't seem fair. Pluto can bring about that type of situation. Like what if you're doing the same job as your co-worker and you're getting paid less? Mars/Pluto learns to get stronger and to have the confidence to tell the boss s/he's not being fair, to stand up for themself. Mars/Pluto learns to take action, to fight to protect their rights, gains the confidence that they're in charge of their life, moves away from limitation. With Mars/Pluto there's a need for strength. Pluto shows where a person seeks to be empowered. With Mars/Pluto confronting is part of the empowering process.
Mars/Pluto is a magnet for powerful people, but they're direct and won't stay with someone for their looks or for money. Mars/Pluto people aren't going to attract the couch potato kind of individual. They're attracted to people who have strong personalities. So at some point Mars/Pluto people's wills will clash with others who have strong personalities and will have to fight someone who is powerful. So they attract the power, and then at some point they have to fight the power. -
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 2:16 PMheh, i got mars cunjunct pluto in scorpio, i got part of fortune in aries on the 8th house..
and "if i wont do it no one will" is my moto :)
In many things i prefer the road less taken and i always stay original and creative
i need to do some sport.. and im thinking about coming back to practice martial arts..
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 3:05 PMYour Mars/Pluto is in H3, very creative. You're using the energy well.
With Mars in Aquarius opp Pluto I don't like to see someone getting taken advantage of, will speak up for an underdog or a child since I have Aquarius on the cusp of H3.
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Sat, September 29, 2007 - 2:49 PMMakes sense Moonstone..... I got myself caught between two woman right now.... One is a Leo Sun and Moon the other is a Scorpio Sun and Moon.
Woman with strong personalities seem to like me for my ability to speak my mind...Able to ease a strong ego....I always thought that was from Ceres conjuct Mars and Sun in Cancer.... topped off with bunches of Lilith aspects.
On top of that.... I also smile just way too much.... world is a pretty funny place!
Towards Derricks response towards expression.... I got the same story going on... Yet I am hot tempered.... Learned long ago to keep my emotions at bay... from flairing up.
How I delt with that.. Was by just thinking.... well would I want someone to treat me that way?
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 12:50 PMI'm looking at the mars-pluto opposition transit going on now...
Would it have anything to do with some of the secretive battles (often involving lawyers and getting people's money/making them go into increased institutional "protection" and control) that threaten to explode into total war around me? -
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 2:40 PMWhat you're describing does fit your transits. Pluto is transiting your H7 and it looks like your natal Mars in Pisces squares the cusp of H7. The transiting North Node is conjunct your Mars right now, the nodes squaring your ASC/DC. Uranus is transiting your North Node and opposing your Sun. Both square natal H7 Neptune. H7 transiting Jupiter squares tr Uranus. Also you're coming up for a Saturn Return, transiting Saturn opposing your Mars, Saturn ruling H8. Lots of big transits going on, not just Mars/Pluto, but Mars is a trigger for things to happen now.
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 2:46 PMPi,
That could be, especially with mars in the amiguous gemini, as lawyers fight with words, so words could be very damaging right now... and the whole issue with honesty between gemini and sagittarius would make lawyers really fishy with those power-driven planets opposing in them... scary.
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Also, I'm wondering how similar the sun/pluto aspect would be to mars/pluto. It seems like the 'anger' would be just as intense, if not more, because it would have to do with the very ego and identity of the individual, instead of what their passionate about. I have both sun square pluto and mars in the 8th house capricorn. I don't really feel any pressure to be a "modern woman" exactly, as I am more like one without trying... but I'm actually more inclined to traditional roles as an ideal. Seems likely... capricorn is about tradition, but it could have gone the other way into being a corporate workaholic woman and lovin' it or something... if it wasn't for my sun/pluto and venus.
Sun is in cancer, pluto in scorpio, I mention it because it's funny how that would be, by sign, a trine, but is a square... which oddly makes sense... since being an assertive, independant woman is the ideal being pushed by society, though naturally (trine) I feel like I'd rather be identified in a more passive role, working behind and supporting the man, but feel as if there are obstructions (square) to this, both in myself and social pressures (venus as the point of a t-square with saturn and my ascendant really points to this further, plus the empty space is in pisces. why is this so bloody straightforward?). With pluto squaring that sun, sextile that cornered venus, it is apt to produce a lot of filtered anger about gender ideals as transformation is encouraged from that venus despite the frustration of the masculine sun. Plus the moon is also awkwardly in capricorn, opposition sun with pluto at the point, creating another t-square where the empty space is the intercepted, venus-ruled taurus. soo... yeah, oppositely pissed about gender roles without an apparent outlet for integration. If anyone has ideas about that, I would love to hear them, because from my perspective my chart is extremely split between two vying directions.
At least, that's my female example on the possible manifestation of pluto anger in a woman's chart... though... quite off topic at the same time... err..
But anyways, the rage and violence of threats to the sun's ego could be similar to the difficult mars/pluto aspects. In fact... difficult pluto aspects to any personal planets could create a very deep anger, and flowing aspects would probably create a lot of stubborn vitality, not just mars, but maybe more obviously with mars. Okay I'm done. -
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 2:47 PMamiguous is a word. really. look it up.
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 3:24 PMmars goes into cancer tommorow I can't wait I have my moon and venus in taurus and had mars in taurus then I have the sun in gemini and mars went into gemini and I have mecury and mars conjunct in cancer and I can't wait...both my sun and my mecury and mars are in the 9th and I just went back to school and spread myself too thin between clubs, fulltime college, theatrical shows and work, and film stuff here in austin...plus my hectic scheduale working out...and other stuff I have forgotten..I can't wait and not only is mars in cancer but cancer rules my midheaven...I have a lot of hope between now and may(mars will retrograde in nov)
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 3:47 PMB said: "But anyways, the rage and violence of threats to the sun's ego could be similar to the difficult mars/pluto aspects. In fact... difficult pluto aspects to any personal planets could create a very deep anger, and flowing aspects would probably create a lot of stubborn vitality, not just mars, but maybe more obviously with mars. Okay I'm done. "
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You might be right. What comes to my mind that I think would be common with Pluto in aspect to any planet would be issues of power/powerlessness, attraction/repulsion, success/failure, highs/lows, trauma/healing, intense emotions, etc., change to the core, but eventually you come out of it wiser and at a higher place than before, that whole phoenix thing. -
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 5:11 PMBesides my Mars in Scorpio/Cancer and Moon in Scorpio and Pluto in Scorpio, I have my North Node in Aries and I am learning with that north node of mine to be more independent. It's hard but I am learning. -
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 9:26 PMTransits give everyone plenty of opportunities to process nodal issues. You have a goal. That's a very good start. Many people don't even know what the nodes are.
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Sat, September 29, 2007 - 4:09 PM"Plus the moon is also awkwardly in capricorn, opposition sun with pluto at the point, creating another t-square where the empty space is the intercepted, venus-ruled taurus. soo... yeah, oppositely pissed about gender roles without an apparent outlet for integration. If anyone has ideas about that, I would love to hear them, because from my perspective my chart is extremely split between two vying directions. "
I was just noticing that this t-square you mention looks to involve your Nnode as well no?
That would make it a grand cross...and one that lands very close to a grand cross of my own!
You have: ------------------------------------ I have:
cancer sun/ leo mercury------------------cancer jupiter
scorpio vertex and pluto------------------ scorpio vertex
capricorn moon-----------------------------aquarius venus
aries Nnode----------------------------------taurus chiron
I am guessing extreme sensitivity is involved for us both here? I have recently been trying to resolve my grand cross with a jupiterish sense of humor about romance...touching on the healing of chiron and the romance of venus and the sensitivity of my vertex.
What ideas for your situation....hmmm
This is my best guess...maybe it is ok to do what you feel like doing/ want to do without worrying too much about what others think or say? Take it worth a grain of salt since I don't know you at all ;-)
Gender roles shmender roles! Just do it your way and don't apologize for it :) People only approximately fit in those roles at best anyway right?
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"That could be, especially with mars in the amiguous gemini, as lawyers fight with words, so words could be very damaging right now... and the whole issue with honesty between gemini and sagittarius would make lawyers really fishy with those power-driven planets opposing in them... scary. "
Yeah that is right on b!
Especially the part about them being really fishy....it has been getting at me quite a bit...gladly to my knowledge none of that fishy lawyer business has had me at the center...just so many friends, family and colleagues dealing with it at the same time now!!!
And I am ending up sorta trying to help them stand up to this influence now in all sorts of different ways.
And yes...I am being fishy about it myself so to speak since I am making it a point to beef up my friends/colleagues/family "behind the scenes" w/out these lawyer types realizing what I am doing...engaging in secret battle against them...oh so fishy...yes...
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 4:57 PMAnother thing to consider about Mars/Pluto is that Pluto is the higher octave of Mars, so they can complement each other. Aries naturally trines Leo and Sagittarius and is not afraid to take a risk. Aries is naturally inconjunct to Scorpio so there can be humiliation. So Mars will take the risk and is not afraid of falling on its face in order to realize Plutonian desires ;) -
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Thu, September 27, 2007 - 12:44 PMI have pluto trine mars (trine venus). I am very peaceful and tolerant, but if someone is very injust to me or repeatedly hurts me on purpose, I will explode, and can get scary! -
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Thu, September 27, 2007 - 5:23 PMmy mars is an 8th house scorpio sextile pluto in the 6th in virgo. My mars conjuncts my mecury and nep. As far as anger goes, I think I can hold it in for awhile then it will explode. I can stew and seethe for awhile before I blow up. mars/merc conjunct can make people argumentive so I read. I can be at times but don't think I'm like this most the time. -
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Thu, September 27, 2007 - 7:29 PMMy Mars is in Cancer in the 6th, septile Pluto in Virgo in the 7th, conjunct the 8th house cusp. I'm not sure if this is a conscious expression of energy. I've read that the influence is more about "fateful meetings and happenings," and that the energy is more spiritual and involved in karmic matters. I really don't understand the septile fully because so little is written about the 7th harmonic.
If anyone knows how to explain this aspect I'm all ears! LOL!
Anyway,... my Mars is conjunct the moon, and the moon and Pluto are parallel. I know that I have a tremendously passionate nature but I'm not violent. That is all I can say about that! -
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Thu, September 27, 2007 - 7:39 PMP.S. I tend to befriend people who have problems with dealing with their own passionate natures, particularly with anger management. I'm really good at "talking them down from the ledge" of self-destructive tendencies, and from "putting away the gun or baseball bat" and re-focusing their minds to find a more rational solution. I guess that is because I've had to wrestle my own tigers and keep them in the cage when they are raging for blood.
Anger can be the most constructive force in nature when channeled and controlled. You can literally move mountains and re-shape your world creatively when you have enough belief in your own self-worth and the worth of human life in general so as not to attack someone, even when provoked. (Self-defense is another issue altogether.) I guess that is the martial arts belief when transcending the tiger to learn the wisdom of the dragon. Perhaps Pluto transcends Mars in this respect, by destroying the pride and ego-driven motivation to see the more mature response to life's stressors, irritations, and limitations. -
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Re: Mars/Pluto Aspects
Fri, September 28, 2007 - 6:59 AMDeb said: "Anger can be the most constructive force in nature when channeled and controlled. You can literally move mountains and re-shape your world creatively when you have enough belief in your own self-worth and the worth of human life in general so as not to attack someone, even when provoked. (Self-defense is another issue altogether.) I guess that is the martial arts belief when transcending the tiger to learn the wisdom of the dragon. Perhaps Pluto transcends Mars in this respect, by destroying the pride and ego-driven motivation to see the more mature response to life's stressors, irritations, and limitations."
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Deb, I like that. Anger can bring good changes since it can get a person to lift themself out of some limiting/unfair situation.
I know people that will say things to others in the heat of an argument, and they say things that burn bridges, that they can never take back. I intuitively know when to stop and say no more, and will hold myself back rather than say something to someone that will cut them to the core. I'll wait for things to cool down, and then hash it out when there's a better chance for things to be worked out in a rational way. It's something I learned to do from fighting with my brother when we were kids. I have Aries on the cusp of H4. We had some horrendous fights! Our best fight - there was a large box of tomatoes in the kitchen, and we were playing Monopoly and I won and he got mad and threw all the pieces and money up in the air and told me to clean it up. I was like no way. We got into those tomatoes and started throwing them at each other, and we went from the kitchen into the living room, and there were tomatoes all over the carpet, the drapes, the furniture and everywhere. When we realized the mess we'd made, we started laughing, and then cleaned it all up before our mom got home.
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Re: Mars/Pluto Aspects
Fri, September 28, 2007 - 6:24 AMI don't like to see anyone hurt animals, and if I saw someone hurting an animal I would say something. I know someone with Mars in 6 sq Pluto in 3, and she was out and about and saw a man hitting his dog in public. She ran over to him and grabbed the dog's leash from his hand and smacked him with it and said, "See how it feels!"
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Re: Mars/Pluto Aspects
Fri, September 28, 2007 - 7:08 AMI dated someone with the Mars square Pluto placement. Pluto conjunct ascendant (in Scorpio) square Mars in Aquarius (3rd house).
Keywords: suicide attempts, quick temper, vengeful, sharp tongue, highly sexual and passionate, too serious at times, serious mood swings...
But I find that most of it stemmed from past childhood violence they still hadn't worked out. They felt very victimized. They had virtually no methods to deal with their anger appropriately...it became repressed and then it turned into severe manipulation and control issues. I thought it was hot for a while, but then I started to cramp from the lack of space and freedom to stretch my legs and take a breath of fresh air. It's hard to break it off with these people, though, especially if they're convinced that you're "the one". You eventually find yourself attempting to talk them down from doing something drastic.
Keep in mind that this person had Venus square Pluto as well, and Pisces moon. It was a very volatile mix... -
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Re: Mars/Pluto Aspects
Fri, September 28, 2007 - 3:10 PMHannah,
ha, I dated a person for a while the same thing, mars in aquarius square pluto in scorpio (uh, mentioned above, actually), 0 degrees no less... though the moon was in libra sextile uranus in sag so it wasn't quite so cramping. men with pisces moon would just be... oh my.
Actually, it was opposite than what you describe. Sun conjunct saturn in scorpio trine mars in aquarius, and venus conjunct neptune/jupiter in capricorn seemed to manifest as some kind of fathering complex, where he'd try to save those sensitive neptunian folks by being their protector, sometimes it was blatantly obvious it was an unusually paternal attraction. He left a trail of broken hearts by drawing out girls whom wanted to be saved this way, only to leave them when their dependence became stifling. He was intense and sometimes scary. Trying to talk him down would just lead to.. I dunno, something very very bad.
Hm.. I wonder what placements would suggest anger turned outward, or anger turned inward. Would receptive houses tend to fuel a need to control the self, where demonstrative control over others? Like if Mars/Pluto was in the 11th or 7th versus 4th or 8th?
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Re: Mars/Pluto Aspects
Fri, September 28, 2007 - 12:55 PMI have a Sun/Mars conjunction in Taurus in the 9th square Pluto in Leo in the 12th. I also have Venus in Gemini in the 10th sextile Pluto and Neptune in Libra in the 2nd trine said Pluto. So there is a lot to pick through. I can love intensely even obsessively, I have been known to have a temper, I can be extremely competitive, I like to be in charge, and there is most always at the very least a sense of contrariness. Mostly I have learned to channel my energies into creativity but for that to really take root I needed the aid of a diversified group of therapies.
