Hey guys,
Quick question. I know that having a planet at 0 or 29 degrees is something to look out for on a chart, but what about planets at 1 or 28 degrees? I guess I'm wondering if it means something to have a planet on it's way out or into a new sign or house (if using Equal House System)?
Also, is there and differing significance between a natally placed cusp planet and a transit cusp planet?
The reason I ask is I just did my Solar Return chart and I've got Mars at 28 Cancer, conjunct House 2 cusp by 1 degree.
Thanks in advance guys!
Quick question. I know that having a planet at 0 or 29 degrees is something to look out for on a chart, but what about planets at 1 or 28 degrees? I guess I'm wondering if it means something to have a planet on it's way out or into a new sign or house (if using Equal House System)?
Also, is there and differing significance between a natally placed cusp planet and a transit cusp planet?
The reason I ask is I just did my Solar Return chart and I've got Mars at 28 Cancer, conjunct House 2 cusp by 1 degree.
Thanks in advance guys!
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 12:43 PMThe late astrologer Buz Myers said that by putting the planets in a chart in ascending order by degree (not to worry about sign), you'd get the process a person uses when working with life's situations. The lowest is what you are working the most on learning about, the highest is the one you've mastered.
This system also applies to Solar Return charts. For this year, your Mars is your mastered planet. As needed, you will be working very easily with that energy. Enjoy your 'new' year's energy!
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:36 PMFrom my perspective, I don't think having a sign at a higher degree necessarily means you have mastered the sign...more that you are in the process of mastering it. At the higher degrees, you have been around the block a few times with the themes of that sign and now you are having to put what mastery you've learned there into practise, to prove it as you tackle the master lessons of that sign. A master is as a master does. So near the end of the sign, we have to show that we have gained complex skills and understanding there and can properly deal with all the themes that come up through the preceding degree. There's a heavier load of responsibility there. But saying that it means you've "mastered" the sign has a degree of finality that I don't think is necessarily inborne...more like hard won during the lifetime.
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:59 PMIt has to do with "critical" situations regarding the subjects of the sign in question.
That's why they call it a "critical degree" sometimes.
It means that if you don't act accordingly with the lessons of that sign, then you have an INSTANT KARMA relating to things that can go wrong if you DON'T exercise the wisdom which is required to hurdle to the challenges of that sign.
The Karma is instant...because it is "critical" at the Critical Degree.
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:48 PMso, if you have planets in 0 degrees, that means you've "mastered" the previous sign?
I think this kinda thinking is a bit unhealthy-to say the least, because signs aren't like cubes in the ice cube trey-separate compartments of the same level, that have nothing to do with one another.
And if you start seeing them on the zodiac circle, you might get complacent. Especially if you have a lot of planets in the last signs of the zodiac.
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:07 PMAre you referring to what I wrote or what Eliza wrote?
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:09 PMNo, not mastering the sign - the planet. -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:20 PMOh, I see. That's an interesting concept.
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:05 PMI don't under stand. What do you mean that there is a significance of having a planet at zero or 29 degrees? You mean cusps? In that case I would say yes 1 and 28 degrees definatly fit into the definition of a cusp. -
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:19 PMHow I understood it is that someone might be 'more like' the sign the higher the degree is. Like my Sun sign is Pisces, 19 degrees and my moon sign is Gemini, 4 degrees.. so I probably show more Pisces traits (just between the 2). Does that sound right? I might not be understanding it right either. -
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:21 PMI was referring to how I understood Eliza's post lol.
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:02 PMHow about planets at the end of a house? My moon is at the end of house one, and astro.com tells me to interpret it as in the 2nd house. Degrees-wise it's right at 17 degrees, so it's well in the middle of the sign (saggie).
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:39 AMDerrick,
In Vedic astrology there are what are known as balaadi avasthas. Avastha just means state or condition. The balaadi avasthas show the "age" of the planet. The first 6 degrees of odd signs a planet is infant and has only 1/4 strength. The second 6 degrees it is young and has half strength. The third 6 deg. it is adult and has full strength. The fourth 6 deg. it is elderly and has 1/8 strength. The last 6 deg. it is dead and has zero strength. The order is reversed for even signs. The way my teacher does it, it doesn't just go from 1/4 to 1/2, etc. but there is a gradual change from one state to another.
Basically what this means is that planets at zero degrees (the boundary between signs) has zero strength, and as they go towards the middle of a sign they gain strength. What is meant by strength in this case is the planet's potency to deliver its karmas. In a way, you can think of it as the age of the karma. A planet may be in great shape otherwise, meaning it has good karma to give you, but if it's in old or dead avastha that means the good karma has mostly burnt itself out in past lives. Similarly, a planet in infant avastha shows a karma that is just being born (and maybe can be changed?).
To sum it up, the farther away a planet gets from the center of the sign the less of an impact it's going to have on the rest of the chart. The planets to really look out for are the ones in the center of the sign. They are going to have a lot of potency with which to affect the chart, for good or ill.
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:15 PMWow that's really unfortunate for me seeing that most planets in my chart are at the very begining of a sign. Especially my sun which is at 0 degrees Aries. I don't think I can accept what you just said. -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:23 PMYes Simone, I am with you, I have planets early, mid, as well as late in the sign,and it just didn't ring true with my spirit. Thanx for sharin though David :)
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:40 PMSimone,
I wasn't saying that having planets at the beginning or ending of a sign is a bad thing. In fact, in some cases it makes things easier. It depends on what karmas the planet is bringing you, and each planet is a blend of different karmic influences. If a planet is showing something that's more difficult, it makes it easier for the person to have that planet at the end or beginning of a sign (weak balaadi avastha), because it means the difficulty won't be as extreme. But what's life without a little difficulty?
I like to share these things that I've learned in my studies, but I'm not sure if it's true myself and I don't take offense at people disagreeing. I do think it's good to be open-minded and to check out the possibility of a technique working before disregarding it offhand.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:50 PMI'm glad your not offended David I was just saying that I don't think that theory is correct. I've been the black sheep pretty much my entire life and yet I have most planets at the begining of the signs they are in. I don't see the corrilation with my self but maybe others will.
I just thought having planets at the very beginning of a sign would make the effect more pure becuase it is in it's own decan. And having planets at the middle or end of a sign would kind of enhance other signs of the same element. -
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:52 PMSimone,
There are many different divisional charts and yes, having planets at the very beginning of the sign will cause it to be in the same sign in several divisional charts. The balaadi avasthas is just one aspect of degree placement. The same degree placement can mean different things on different levels, and some of them might seem contradictory.
I don't understand what being the black sheep of the family has to do with disproving the balaadi avasthas?
Again, the balaadi avasthas do not make a planet less or more favorable. In that way, it is a very neutral factor. I think that balaadi avasthas are more relevant when it comes to making predictions about life events rather than in personality analysis. A planet in a sign will still have a personality indication, regardless of where its placed in that sign. But if a planet shows a negative or positive event in life, the balaadi avastha might affect the intensity of that event.
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:39 AMI just thought I would mention the whole black sheep thing to show you that my life hasn't been one big party. It seemed like you thought that having planets in the middle of a sign was better because then life would through you more challanges and in the end make you a better person. I'm just saying that I don't think that's true. Every degree in the zodiac comes with its own problems and accomplishments for a person and I don't think that there is anything "special" about any set of degrees.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:45 AMSimone, thanks for clarifying. I can see how you could interpret my words that way. But there are many different factors in a chart that can show challenges that ultimately make you a better person. Balaadi avastha, if it has that power, is only one factor. And according to what I've learned, whether or not a planet in the middle of a sign shows challenges or not is due to the planet's dignity, not its balaadi avastha.
I am not trying to prove this technique to you. Like I said, I haven't tested it enough yet to know. I just wanted to clarify what I was saying. I was also curious why somebody would disregard it so quickly without testing it out on lots of charts. I always feel like I don't know anything because I don't have enough experience. Only time will reveal the truth...
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:56 PMMaybe I should test it. I just think its ironic that there is something special about the middle of a sign. -
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:11 PMThere's so many things to test, it's hard to know where to start! I guess that's where intuition comes in...
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Re: Planets at the end of a sign
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 7:57 AMHi everyone,
I'm new to this site and excited to find alot of information I've been searching out recently. I also have planets at the end of a sign and have been obsessively researching this all morning! If there is anyone who could offer some insight it would be very much appreciated : )
I have in my natal chart the Sun at 29.35 Leo and also Uranus at 29.56 Cancer. In addition, I also have Venus & Mars in Leo at 27.10 and 27.30 respectively, as well as Pluto at 26.34 Leo - this is in reference to the wonderings about a planet on it's way out.
As a side note, my Leo planets are all in the 12th House, also Jupiter at 15.18 Leo.
Thanks in advance for any enlightenment!
