All Things Macabre

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Apropos for Halloween (my favorite day of the year, btw) -

Those of you who are more interested in the occult, death, dark things, etc.: what do you think shows this in your chart?

I have always had a fascination with death, the after life, ghosts, divination (Ouija, tarot, astrology, magik), etc. Very few of my friends are like this, and I know I am not the only reason that they made a Saw VI (not that I watched them all, but I do love the genre of Horror). In looking at my natal birth chart, I don't have any 8th/12th house planets, not a lot of Scorpio and no Pisces planets, and very little Pluto action. Stephen King and I do share some similarities astrologically though, especially our ASC and Sag Moon in the 5th. We are both Pluto-Moons, as some of you like to call people with Moon aspects to Pluto. I do love his books, and I share his "gift" of nightmares and dreaming horror stories.

Edgar Allen Poe had Scorpio rising and a ton of Pisces influences. His fourth house was especially prominent, and I take the 4th to be a darker house because in traditional astrology it was associated with things hidden in the earth, dark things and deep feelings. He was obviously a very internal person, since his chart is pretty much all bellow the 1st-7th axis.
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    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 4:51 PM
    And have a happy Halloween everyone! Enjoy the thinner veil between worlds... It's right before a full moon too. The full moon is in Taurus vs. the waxing moon in Aries on Halloween.
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    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:03 PM
    Based on my own chart, I think the aspects to my moon tell the whole story:

    8th house Pluto, Jupiter and mercury squaring 12th house moon
    9th house Uranus sextiles 12th house moon

    Of course, I have the scorpio sun on the 9th house cusp and neptune in the tenth which also help my interest in occult matters. Oh yeah, and my Aqua ascendant probably has something to do with it...

    Horror movies are okay, but I haven't seen one Saw movie, and I refuse to see them. When my life feels like torture, I'd rather watch comedies or actions or dramas. Stanley Kubrick is probably my favorite filmmaker. My friend just convinced me that Tim Burton is a sellout, but I like his work from Mars Attacks and earlier. My dad threw me some Stephen King books when I was 11 or 12 that I enjoyed quite thoroughly, but I liked Louis L'amour's 'Last of the Breed' the best, a book about an American test pilot who is shot down over Siberia, escapes a Gulag, and survives all the way to Alaska and gets his revenge on the Russians who were trying to track him down and kill him. I think the fantastic revenge part got me; Scorpio...
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      Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:29 PM
      Yoda - your chart definitely has some clear indications of interests in this subject matter! I can understand why you'd stay away from horror because you probably struggle with enough of your own dark thoughts. There are times that I can’t watch or read about these things either. During those times I usually read a lot of fantasy (my idealistic/escapist side). I have an esp. hard time reading biographies because my imagination needs to be stimulated, and I find real people to be too boring. It's akin to grass growing. My sister reads a lot of Louis L'amour, especially the westerns.

      I don't really read political books because my father has a political elitist sort of mind, and growing up he constantly went on and on about politics... I also have been told that in a past life I was forced into politics by my father, so that might have something to do with it (who knows?). I always excel in courses on that subject matter, but part of me just hates it. I also can't read romance novels, with the exception of the classics, like Austen and the Brontes (probably the Goth influences!). Those novels are more cerebral and witty, which is the main reason I can tolerate the romance.

      *bellow = below. I do that a lot...
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        Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:40 PM
        Biographies and books about politics? zzzzZZZZZZZZZZ, lol.

        I haven't read much fiction, but Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land", the uncut version, is probably one of the last ones I read that I really liked. Fantasy and Sci-Fi are fun, but I usually lean towards Robert Anton Wilson's non-fiction, Grinder and Bandler books on NLP, or stuff about Korzybski's General Semantics when I want to read a book nowadays. My dad is the fiction junkie of the family. He's read thousands of fiction bestsellers over the years, and his writing is superb.

        Have you seen any Alejandro Jodorowsky films, Teresa? I highly recommend The Holy Mountain, Santa Sangre, and El Topo.
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          Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:00 PM
          Yoda - I haven't seen any of Alejandro's movies. Which of those would you recommend first? I might be able to find it online somewhere. My internet usage is limited by how much I download, so I have to be frugal. I am bored with what's been on the tube...
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            Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:08 PM
            Perhaps you are bored because you bore yourself.
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              Wed, October 28, 2009 - 11:36 PM
              Amiable - you are a 53 year old intelligent woman. Why are you trolling an online forum? Seriously.
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                Wed, October 28, 2009 - 11:44 PM
                LOL. You are the genius ~ you figure it out.
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                  Wed, October 28, 2009 - 11:56 PM
                  Never said I was a genius, dear. And the fact that you fixate on that only makes your protestations weaker.
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                    Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:09 AM
                    Nope. You said nearly a genius, didn't you? Just saying that if you are going to refer to anonymous PMs, I have a few, too. Usually beauty and brains have no need to advertise. Love the way you ignore me.
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                      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:24 AM
                      I said that the men had the right idea to ignore you, I didn't say that I was good at following said advice. I am not really the type to sit idle when others insult me.

                      I said I was tested as a nearly genius IQ, for whatever it is worth. And I do believe myself to be intelligent, but not exactly off of the charts. Women who are blonde and attractive have a harder time being taken seriously in the brains dept, yes, and that is what I meant in that conversation. As in this instance, I was being attacked at the time, and in attack mode. I don't normally walk around professing about my level of intellect and looks. If anyone puffs their chest around this tribe and brags about themselves, it would be you and your need to bully people and convince yourself that you are superior in debate. People with ugly personalities get my hackles raised, and I guess I had you pegged from the start. For a while I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but I see now that my first instinct is pretty much always right.
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                        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:33 AM
                        Teresa--this IS an astrology site, and if you look at Amiable's chart, you'd let her vent once in a while-she's a Uranian Lion! That's what astrology's for. So she's bored (this is where this argument originated, right?)--But I think your posts are very informative, and one person's opinion doesn't have to change that. I think the new stuff is great, as I'm sure many others do...

                        And I get bored with tribe also, and I understand Amiable's frustration at having been here a while and seeing the tribe change. The thing with Amiable is that she expresses herself. And I admire that also. As for tribe, I think really what's happening is that there is a whole cycle of new people and so there will be new threads about the same topic, so oh well, it happens..If you stay in any place a long time, you'll be frustrated as it changes.
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                        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:11 AM
                        I just was saying, and as I also heard you say in other tribes as well, that you seemed to think it was important to let us all know your IQ and looks. You have most certainly been quite upfront all over the place about that. This always makes me suspicious. And I am not alone. I have had you pegged, too, and likewise feel I have been generous. I don't suffer insults so well, either, and your hands are not clean that way.

                        You have skills and talents ~ there is no mistaking that. You are active and helpful. You do good work. But you are missing the points. I am not doing this to merely piss people off. Or because I feel particularly much but exasperated by some. This is an astrology tribe, and we seem to be not talking the astrology here.

                        Your modality is highly fixed, so it is a small wonder we are butting heads, since mine is, too, although not as much as you. You are also more fire than I. But for air, you are pretty balanced. Your Sag Moon square Virgo Saturn is interesting. Our planets are in the same houses there, but my Saturn forms no aspect with my Moon. Your Taurean nature comes through in many ways, but you strike me as so Sag. That Neptune/Moon conjunction is quite potent. Sag is my NN and IC. Pluto/Venus opposition explains a good deal about your relationship complaints, although I can see how it could be advantageous, especially with those nice Pluto sextiles. Pluto takes a while, so you will more likely realize its blessings later rather than sooner. You have something akin to a bucket chart, as I see it, which I think magnifies your sun and the planets up in your 10th House where there is a Venus/Mars conjunction in Aries. Rather ambitious-looking to me with plenty of drive. Not what my 10H Cancer Venus would cozy up to, I don't think. Yeah. Actually the Sag Moon alone is probably the significant issue for me in this instance. Not sure what it would be to you, but that looks like what it is for me.
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                          Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:13 PM
                          Ambiable - you've heard me say one other time that I had a borderline IQ. It was in the tarot tribe, and someone had complimented my intellect. I replied back a thank you and mentioned my IQ results. I don't actually see anything wrong in thinking of yourself as smart when you are, nor should you walk around talking about how fat your thighs are when you are still young and have above average looks and should be thankful for it. Maybe if other women were more like me they might be happier on the inside, and wouldn't feel a compulsive need to find some Other to validate them.

                          My problem with you may or may not be astrological. Boredom does not excuse your behavior towards other people. There is a fundamental disconnect from compassion which I especially find irritating. As I said, you talk to people as if they are megapixles vs. actual human beings. You are affected and bitter. Such people infect their environment and drag everyone else down with them. Your messages have made me physically ill at certain points. It is no wonder that many people have left, as I have considered it on many occasions when I have opened up a post that had one of your rants at some random person.

                          In any case, I am unmoved from here on out.
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                            Thu, October 29, 2009 - 9:58 PM
                            Amiable - I am sorry for giving you a hard time. I don't hold on to any one emotion for very long, and by tomorrow it will be of the past. It already is. I will try to hold my Mars at bay from now on (no promises!).

                            We are both Mercury-Mars types (me conjunction, you opposition). We use our words as weapons and like a good argument. I don't know what caused you to be this way, but I grew up with a verbally abusive father who was a strong Gemini, and never shut up. My defense button is always on, but I don't usually start an argument. I think our biggest compatibility issue is our Moon-Mercury squares on both sides. We irritate each other and knit-pick every little thing. There is also an increased emotional attack (even though neither one of us is probably particularly emotional for a woman). We bring out the worst in each other.
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            Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:33 PM
            Definitely 'The Holy Mountain', as it is the most occult in nature. He did it when he was obsessed with initiation and enlightenment. Santa Sangre is a good one to watch before El Topo if you get thirsty for more.
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    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 6:13 PM
    I wouldnt say I'm hung up on death or anything really dark. I *would* say that my life has been profoundly affected by death which can be seen with ceres conjunct the moon in the 7th. I am interested in many things occult and think my picses acs/9th house neptune are what point to that behavior mostly. Oh and also the 4th house saturn contributes...growing up feeling like theres nowhere I belong in the world made me focus on otherworldly things.
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      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 5:05 PM
      f0dg0g - I wonder if Chiron (the wounded planet) also has anything to do with your issues with death in your life. I think it opposes your 8th house cusp, which is kind of interesting. Venus rules your 8th house of death and is in your house of family, and that might point to a lot of losses in your family, especially your mother (in a sign of the Moon and squares Moon). Was there a particular time when you had to deal with death more than others? I'm curious what your transits might say.
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    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 6:58 PM
    hmmmm, maybe theres something to the sag moon thing. i know 2 sag moon people who are OBSESSED with horror films. they're also ncredibly sweet and reliable, so i think at first i was confused by it. they not only love horror films, but ALL things dark and fucked up, peter sotos, hans bellmar, kenneth anger, they both have extensive libraries full of the weirdest shit
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      Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:03 PM
      oh i also know a lot of cancers who are into more mainstream dark disturbing iconography, like vampires, blood, sculls, bulging eyes. they're always incorporating those symbols into their art, or when i got to their house, theres a whole shelf full of teeth or something. leo also has a fascination for it ive noticed..a lot of leo's love david lynch.

      i am guessing each sign gravitates towards a particular type of dark, but a lot of signs are probably fascinated by the darker side
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        Wed, October 28, 2009 - 8:43 PM
        I don't like horror films, but i do like some David Lynch ~ the old Twin Peaks series mostly, so that bit of Leo is true of me. I prefer murder mysteries and psychological thrillers as well as Ghost Hunters and the true crime stuff. I like some old sci fi ~ like Dr. Who, and even Nosferatu. Pretty tame, all things considered.
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    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:05 PM
    Happy Halloween!

    For the past few months I've been hung up on Lovecraft. Here is the natal I managed to find: www.astro.com/astro-datab...ecraft,_H.P.

    I've always had this fascination with all things dark/sinister/occult. I kinda like to intentionally dive into it sometimes. This 'dark' side is not really exposed to my friends and family but it shows anyhow. Very few of my friends are into occult too but i realised that once I gave in to my interest and started learning and pursuing them, many like-minded people turn up at my doorstep, like a call.

    Stephen King's horror is boring. I prefer Clive Barker. Absolutely love wuthering heights and also Frankenstein and Byron's Manfred. I liked Neil Gaiman and Tim Button too -until they both sold out. But I cannot for the life of me, watch horror movies. They really get to my imagination. I used to have nightmares over Jason and Freddie Krueger as a kid.

    When the Japanese version of The Ring came out, went to see it and it completely put me off watching horror. I couldn't sleep in peace or be alone in my house for months. This is because I've had my encounters with certain energies and watching horror excites my fear and fascination. When I moved into my new house, I had to do a few things to make sure these energies cannot enter my house and create havoc.

    I keep thinking mars and saturn aspects would give an inclination to darker things as Saturn can be a sombering influence and mars can bring it out. Also, 4th and 8th house influences and a really strong lunar influence too.
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      Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:04 PM
      "When the Japanese version of The Ring came out, went to see it and it completely put me off watching horror. I couldn't sleep in peace or be alone in my house for months. This is because I've had my encounters with certain energies and watching horror excites my fear and fascination. When I moved into my new house, I had to do a few things to make sure these energies cannot enter my house and create havoc."

      Do you think certain people are more susceptible to "energies" than others? I saw ghosts as a child and am still sensitive to my surroundings, and I attribute it mostly to my Cancer ASC and Pluto/Neptune aspects to the Moon, but I am not sure. I also can get upset when I watch certain things, to the point that I get paranoid. But part of me like the high of that feeling (maybe my Aries/Sag dare-devil influences).

      Also, what do you do to protect yourself? I've never really found a sure-fire way, other than having control of my emotions and ear (which I think they feed off of).
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        Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:32 PM
        "Do you think certain people are more susceptible to "energies" than others? "

        Yeah, I believe so. People with strong pluto, lunar, or neptune influences seem to be more aware. But then again I also think if you want to open yourself up to the energies, you can also hone that intuitive side. My sister has pluto rising and 8th house moon. while she cannot feel energies so much, she has seen apparitions. Another sister has scorpio sun and moon in 12th. She is 6 and sometimes she tells us to tell the 'monster/man/woman' to go away or not come into the house, or leave her room because she can't sleep. If we don't, she walks right up to the spot and tells it to go away. We sometimes laugh at her because she is a kid haha. But I'm the only one who knows her 12th house influence so....

        "I also can get upset when I watch certain things, to the point that I get paranoid. But part of me like the high of that feeling (maybe my Aries/Sag dare-devil influences). "

        I can be like that too but after the ring, it was a big no no. I can watch 80s B grade horror but somehow it will lurk in my imagination. I never want to meet Wes Craven - I think he is a monster in disguise.

        "Also, what do you do to protect yourself? I've never really found a sure-fire way, other than having control of my emotions and ear (which I think they feed off of). "

        Every now and then I cleanse my house with sage and repeat the 'no entrance' rule. I try to engage in disbelieve (another form of controlling my fears and emotions? I find myself to be more vulnerable if I'm upset too.), put crystals at the entrances and my bedside. In my former room, they love to gather around me when I sleep and talk and then get into my dreams. Goodness, i sound like a looney!
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          Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:51 PM
          Jaqueline - I don't think you are a loone, and, if so, you are not alone in being certifiable (sometimes I wonder about myself!). Insanity is actually one of my biggest fears.

          I use sage also (the smudge sticks). I have a connection in dreams to things too. Many years ago there was a ghost in my house that I dreamt about, and my mother later saw the entity and described it to me (fit the description). I’ve had premonitions in dreams sometimes too.

          I agree that you can exercise your intuition by opening up, but it's dangerous. My Pisces sister and I were discussing this the other day. She has real trouble with honing her skills because she takes it in physically. I take it in mentally I think, because it really f*cks with my head sometimes. When I was a kid I always heard voices, and that's one thing I learned to block, and still struggle with. Most people would think it's just schizophrenia or something... Maybe so. Sometimes I wonder if some crazy people aren't really so crazy.
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            Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:19 AM
            "Sometimes I wonder if some crazy people aren't really so crazy."

            I believe in unexplained phenomena, absolutely. Having said that, I really feel positive that the vast majority of those claims really are driven by pre-existing mental illness, and the few that are left are legitimate. Really I feel like it's a matter of talking to the person in general first and seeing how they come across - if they seem for the most part, coherent and sane, like a reasonable person, then there's a good chance what they are telling you is real. If they're very erratic and incoherent in general and you just get an all-around vibe from them that something is not right, then...there you go.
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            Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:46 AM
            "I have a connection in dreams to things too. Many years ago there was a ghost in my house that I dreamt about, and my mother later saw the entity and described it to me (fit the description). I’ve had premonitions in dreams sometimes too. "

            Teresa, I have had many similar experiences. It was the constant dreaming and hearing voices that made me go search for answers, finding astrology along the way. At least now I understand the dream function better.

            "My Pisces sister and I were discussing this the other day. She has real trouble with honing her skills because she takes it in physically. I take it in mentally I think, because it really f*cks with my head sometimes."

            Yeah. My pisces mum is also very susceptible to the physical aspect. Both sides of my parents' families have strong piscean/neptune influences. Maybe because of the large air influences in me, it does mentally screw up my head too. At one point, I clammed up about the experiences because I was afraid my mum would send me to a psychiatrist! Turns out she was looneir than me. haha
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          Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:16 AM
          "I can be like that too but after the ring, it was a big no no. I can watch 80s B grade horror but somehow it will lurk in my imagination. I never want to meet Wes Craven - I think he is a monster in disguise."

          I honestly think horror writers and most people fascinated with the dark and macabre are the ones you least need to be worried about - it's the people who suppress and repress and deny they have a dark side and present themselves as all goodness and light, that are the real monsters. Either they aren't aware of how bad they are, or they're very very bad and trying very very hard to hide it.

          I love horror. I love Stephen King - I have several of his books - he can write his ass off. I love slasher flicks, Saw movies... I'm not a horror snob by a longshot.

          Ghosts, the paranormal, reincarnation, numerology, etc a lot of stuff that scares the shit out of most people, doesn't bother me at all. I like reading about stuff about, like others have said, Ouija boards, astrology, all kinds of stuff that's outside the mainstream, although I don't jump on the bandwagon in a mindless fashion and assume every theory is fact.

          I read about serial killers too and other dark stuff - I used to think there was something wrong with me because most people thought it was weird until I finally over the years have spoken to more and more people who do the same thing and get where it's coming from. I've contemplated becoming a medical examiner.


          Years ago, my brother used the family computer after me, and I guess he saw some of the stuff I was reading, the sites I was visiting and went, "You need to stop reading that weird shit."
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            Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:41 AM
            "I honestly think horror writers and most people fascinated with the dark and macabre are the ones you least need to be worried about - it's the people who suppress and repress and deny they have a dark side and present themselves as all goodness and light, that are the real monsters. Either they aren't aware of how bad they are, or they're very very bad and trying very very hard to hide it. "

            That is true! Maybe I've been reading too much Lovecraft! Every sinister person is a sinister person! haha. I get scared because I've had experiences with stuff. But yeah, weird is not so weird, really.
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            Thu, October 29, 2009 - 5:09 PM
            "I honestly think horror writers and most people fascinated with the dark and macabre are the ones you least need to be worried about - it's the people who suppress and repress and deny they have a dark side and present themselves as all goodness and light, that are the real monsters. Either they aren't aware of how bad they are, or they're very very bad and trying very very hard to hide it."

            Ha! That is so true. I was reading about various astrology studies online and they said things about how they thought maybe strong Scorpios and such would be the most likely to murder, but it was the Capricorns and I think Virgos! It's really no surprise to me. I've met some Caps with serious internal issues! IMHO, they are more likely to have mommy issues especially. God knows I love Capricorns, but I'm just saying.
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            Thu, October 29, 2009 - 10:12 PM
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            I honestly think horror writers and most people fascinated with the dark and macabre are the ones you least need to be worried about - it's the people who suppress and repress and deny they have a dark side and present themselves as all goodness and light, that are the real monsters. Either they aren't aware of how bad they are, or they're very very bad and trying very very hard to hide it.
            >>>

            So the only thing darker than darkness is the appearance of goodness?
            We should start by assuming all are filled with darkness ... and the only choice is to accept or repress it?
            All is darkness? So those who appear good are by definition liars?
            Should we all give up in resisting evil and avoiding the appearance of evil because that only makes us more evil?

            interesting ...

            Or do you only mean certain people in certain instances ... or only people who deny any weakness or darkness exists in them at all?
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        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 10:03 PM
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        Do you think certain people are more susceptible to "energies" than others? I saw ghosts as a child and am still sensitive to my surroundings, and I attribute it mostly to my Cancer ASC and Pluto/Neptune aspects to the Moon, but I am not sure. I also can get upset when I watch certain things, to the point that I get paranoid. But part of me like the high of that feeling (maybe my Aries/Sag dare-devil influences).
        >>>

        prayer, not going more than 3 hours without eating, running electronics near me, keeping a small light on in the room (or people in the room), music with a powerful baseline(vibrations), the protection/peace mudra (I'm new to this-am no expert) - all these things cut back on the height that the hair tries to raise on the back of my neck.

        I also have neptune/pluto/moon aspects - with sun and uranus too (and jupiter conjunct just the moon)
        I think uranus might help me rationalize things - I think of it as "overactive imagination".

        I do get the odd dream that ends up happening or somehow prepares me for something.
        It's hard to say whether it's my subconscious contributing to the dream happening or something harder to explain.

        oh - and I'm not too fond of the macabre - but I acknowledge its existance
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    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:11 PM
    "Those of you who are more interested in the occult, death, dark things, etc.: what do you think shows this in your chart?"

    All the planets piled in the eighth house. Chart ruler in the 9th, in Scorpio, conjunct BML and the midheaven.

    This is my first time hearing about Pisces/Neptune being linked to dark subject matter - , but I do have Neptune aspecting both luminaries too.
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    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:24 PM
    I was due on Halloween, 1970 ~ but came one day early
    people.tribe.net/maryellen...30eea3cc1f

    I talk to dead people & live people *love* my Tarot card readings
    I'm very much a 7th house Scorpio Sun ~ bleeding into the 8th...
    (N.Node in Pisces)

    love all-ways (esp. the spooky ways),
    mem
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      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:14 AM
      Theresa

      " I also have been told that in a past life I was forced into politics by my father "

      Who told you this?
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        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:02 PM
        Zayne - first a Ouija, then a psychic. It was supposedly in Italy, and I used to have dreams of Italy when I was a kid.

        Why do you ask?
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          Fri, October 30, 2009 - 5:41 AM
          Teresa -

          I ask because I've always been curious about supposed past-life instances and their potential affect on current conciousness, if there is a connection at all.

          I have yet to use a Ouija, but I've been told that precautions are necessary to keep from being toyed with. Do you feel the message from the Ouija and the message from the psychic were identical?
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            Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:37 PM
            "I have yet to use a Ouija, but I've been told that precautions are necessary to keep from being toyed with. Do you feel the message from the Ouija and the message from the psychic were identical?"

            I agree about being toyed with, and I don't use Ouija anymore. I don't recommend it to anyone, unless they are very advanced at speaking to spirits perhaps. This was a very long time ago (15 yrs ago or so). I can't remember what the psychic said exactly, but I do remember that it coincided with the Ouija and my dreams when I had not said anything about either one. I think the dreams more than anything made me question the thought of reincarnation, since I was too young to know much about Italy when I had the dreams, which were very vivid. I also speak other languages in my dreams, such as Italian, but that could of course just be a repetition of things I've heard in my environment. Children especially are good at picking up languages.

            Have you had any past-life experiences?
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              Sat, October 31, 2009 - 2:45 AM
              " I can't remember what the psychic said exactly, but I do remember that it coincided with the Ouija and my dreams when I had not said anything about either one. I think the dreams more than anything made me question the thought of reincarnation, since I was too young to know much about Italy when I had the dreams, which were very vivid. I also speak other languages in my dreams, such as Italian, but that could of course just be a repetition of things I've heard in my environment. Children especially are good at picking up languages.

              Have you had any past-life experiences? "

              Have I had any past-life experiences? I can't say for certain. I have had complex dreams that are rich in symbolism. some of it familiar,some of it not. I've tried to discect them from the standpoint that they could merely be my own way of relating current and past issues (in this life) through complex imagery,but I wonder it there isn't more. I have never pursued past-life regression or any other such methods.

              Interesting that you mention speaking other languages in your sleep. When I was growing up I was told on a few occaisions that I was sitting upright in the dark "mumbling jibberish" in the middle of the night. No one had apparently ever tried to investigate by turning the light on or anything. I was spoken to,but did not respond. There are no other languages spoken in my family aside from english. Because of that, I don't think "jibberish" could be distinguished from a language intelligently, especially if no one thought enough of the situation to do anything.

              I posted a detailed description of a couple of dreams on the "Dreaming" tribe, if you care to take a look


  • Re: All Things Macabre

    Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:22 PM
    I have lots of Pisces, and some significant Pluto, including a tight Venus-Pluto trine. You'd think Pluto touching the planet of "what I love to do for fun" would make me get into the macabre-ghost, spirit invoking, and all that, but..no.I'm not really into macabre-occult stuff. I'm more of a sadist-that's my "darkest side". And I generally like sadistic stories, or demeanours-even if slightly disgusted by sadist demeanor, I must admit I can't help enjoying it, as well.

    In fact, two of my favorite all-time movie characters were those played by Daniel-Day-Lewis in "Gangs of New York"(The Butcher), and "There Will Be Blood"(Plainview), and he does sadism veeery well.

    I like astrology, though, and to most people out there it still qualifies as "occult"...lol. I downloaded the "Goetia" a few months ago, thinking I could start chanting and calling the spirits upon me, but like two chapters into it..I totally freaked out. I think some things just shouldn't be fucked with.
    • Re: All Things Macabre

      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:38 PM
      Teresa and Amiable

      Let's just accept that you don't always see eye to eye and agree to disagree with another. Either way these comments continuing publicly can't be tolerated like this. I like you both so I'm hoping I'm not going to have to start removing posts etc etc cos nobody wants that! Especially not me.



      As for the topic in question. I have a few 8H planets and also Scorpio Rising and a grand trine involving pluto. I love Horror, but what I love what I consider 'real' horror, which is rare these days. What I don't like is 'gore' horror, like Saw etc cos I just don't find it scary, just repulsive and not entertaining. I enjoy being scared (perhaps because I enjoy 'mastering' my fear) but I don't enjoy watching someone chop off their own leg or something. I decided I wouldn't watch films like that after a film called Hostel. it wasn't scary, just gorey and needlessly so. Do I really want to watch someone burn out an eye with a blowtorch? No, I really don't. I like to think that films liek that are making a point, and perhaps they are, but ultimately all I'm left with is the disturbing thought that someone somewhere probably did have an eye burned out, which leads me to think of abuse like Abu Gharib etc etc which naturally spoils such films for me, because for some reason there really are people out there who take a perverse pleasure in inflicting terrible pain and torture like that to others. We see it all the time nowadays. Whilst I'm not suggesting that people who watch these films are in a similar mindset, anything which even reminds me of things like that is simply not entertaining for me.
      What I do like is the kind of horror film which makes you jump and makes your skin crawl with fear (not gore). But those are few and far between. I really love the ones that make you jump. I'm a perfect pantomime audience for that, I always jump. Even when I logically know that something is going to happen (cos of the music) I still jump!
      Having said that I also love comedy and more often than not would read supernatural/fantasy/sci fi books or ocassionally I will read the odd 'quirky' romance book or the odd autobiography.

      • Re: All Things Macabre

        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:13 PM
        Is this debate trying to shy away from the facts concerning zodiac & horror? Scorps & virgoans are the "gourmands" with a taste for macabre stuff, it´s just the way nature wanted it. From Hell, with certain appetite for hellish things; not more difficult to understand than that. Sure, virgoans often respond to ghastly things by doing some extra laundry as "penance", but secretly adores the sight of a misty moor filled with gloom. Horror movies are the only "real" movies for adollescent maidens, other stuff is just actors pretending in front of a camera..
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        Re: All Things Macabre

        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 5:25 PM
        Paul - my thing is mainly that I don't like online bullies. People sit comfortably behind their computer screen and don't always realize that their words have power. There have been online bullies that have lead to the suicides of their online victims. Astrologers are more likely to be sensitive to these sorts of issues, and, if someone's already had a bad day, they could just snap. I always fight for the underdog; probably in vain. I have even made up fake hexes out of Latin in order to scare away bullies who were disrespecting the dead (hey, it worked). Maybe it's childish of me to stoop to their level, but I just think some people need to be taught a lesson. Another thing to think about is that some of us could have the power to cause harm to others. I'm not saying I do, and I am not making threats. I hold no ill will towards anyone really, I just don't take bullsh*t. I'm just saying that you open yourself up to such things when you behave negatively to others on a forum in which people are interested in occult matters.
      • Re: All Things Macabre

        Fri, October 30, 2009 - 6:16 AM
        Unlike Paul, I do find some value in 'gore' , such as "saw". One key factor. Human resolve. Of the many things I ponder, human ability to do what is necessary to survive is front and center. I do find the general plot and focus of the "Saw" movies somewhat interesting and entertaining because of the specific focus on a brand of justice and also on personal salvation (more or less). I for one see real value in forcing an unethical individual into a 'normally' impossible scenario where they will innevitably learn more about themselves than they perhaps ever anticipated. I believe in bullying the bully and raping the rapist. An eye for an eye, per se. But I also believe in pinpointing an individual's weakness and either helping them grow from it constructively........or using it to completely destroy them. This is why I like the theme in the Saw movies(the 1st few anyway). I don't see the Saw movies as necessarily meant to be scary.........but revealing.

        Classic "by the seat of your pants" horror/sci-fi horror films have a fan in me. Movies like the original "ALIEN" you can watch over and over again and still get goosebumps.

        Overall, I have been fascinated by the strange, the unusual and the unexplained since I can remember. I can't remember how many times I was put in detention for reading something I wasn't supposed to during class. I'd have books about the mysteries of The Great Pyramid of Giza, Stone Henge and the Bermuda Triangle hidden behind my math book. Death in all its forms intrigues me. No matter how morbid or twisted, as some might lable certain aspects of it.

        I have no planets in the 8th or 12th houses. Uranus is in Scorpio as a part of a grand water trine and Black Moon Lilith does form a grand trine that links to a potent T-square. Those might be key factors and they might not be.
        • Re: All Things Macabre

          Fri, October 30, 2009 - 6:22 AM
          "Classic "by the seat of your pants" horror/sci-fi horror films have a fan in me. Movies like the original "ALIEN" you can watch over and over again and still get goosebumps."

          Ah yeah that's much more my cup of tea!

          "I believe in bullying the bully and raping the rapist. An eye for an eye, per se. "

          Things like that just leave me cold. I find more 'powerful' the notion of compassion and thinking of others above yourself - undoubtedly my venus-neptune trine. I still remember the goosebumps and sense of 'awe' I felt when Charlie handed back the ever lasting gobstopper in charlie and the chocolate factory. It sounds stupid, but actually things like that would move me much more than watching someone chop off their leg.
          • Re: All Things Macabre

            Fri, October 30, 2009 - 6:46 AM
            Hey now, Charlie handing back the everlasting gobstopper to Mr Wonka was a fine moment. I'm not all about horror,but this thread is.

            As much as I love horror.............Dalton, (Patrick Swayze : Roadhouse, 1989) turning down Brad Wesley's "blank check" to take his chances on the side of "good" was THE scene of the movie. Major positive turning point, just like when Charlie handed back the everlasting gobstopper. Even though the fight scene by the lake where Dalton rips Jimmy's throat completely out was pretty bad ass :-)
            • Re: All Things Macabre

              Fri, October 30, 2009 - 7:22 AM
              "Hey now, Charlie handing back the everlasting gobstopper to Mr Wonka was a fine moment. I'm not all about horror,but this thread is."

              It's possibly my favorite moment from any children's film (from when I was a child at least). Forgot for a moment there that we were only talking macabre likes!

              I saw Interview with a vampire when I was really young and found the scene where the other parisian vampire mimics all of brad pitt's movements really scary. i've no idea why. Some confrontation with the shadow of gemini (mimicry) perhaps?
              I also watched the black and white version of war of the worlds when I was way too young to be allowed to do that and it scared me senseless. I remember being dismayed when they huddled inside the church and STILL got fried! It's weird cos that film is rubbish, but that scene terrified my younger self. Somehow horror like that just affects me more than gore related horror. But each to their own. I remember everyone raving about saw when it came out and just being diappointed by it. I've not seen any of the sequels.
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                Re: All Things Macabre

                Fri, October 30, 2009 - 6:56 PM
                I can't imagine anyone finding Interview with A Vampire scary (Anne Rice is another fave of mine, though some of her books are too religious for my cup of tea), but I guess when we are kids, we are more easily scared. I was afraid of the devil in Legend when I was a kid. I love Aliens too, and to this day still sleep with a pillow over my head to protect myself from Face Huggers...

                I shouldn't say I love all of Horror, but I will watch just about anything once. The stuff I watch ad nauseum are the 70's and 80's classics like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Night of the Living Dead, The Exorcist, Amityville Horror, etc. Ghosts and aliens get to me the most, though I can watch just about anything alone and before bed time. Bring it!
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                  Re: All Things Macabre

                  Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:20 PM
                  I saw interview with a vampire when I was about eight. When you're eight, it is scary. But not in a hide-under-the-sheets way... it was mostly the girl vampire that disturbed me, because I was about her age when I saw the movie. Legend was one of my favorites... I wasn't afraid of the devil in that one... yet I was terrified of the sea witch in little mermaid! Go figure.

                  Anyone see Killer Klowns from Outer Space? That movie rocked my socks as a kid because I hated clowns.

                  I think another interesting question is what in a chart can indicate an abhorrence of the macabre? I'd think Libra and Gemini influences, 5th and 11th houses? Lack of strong contacts with Pluto or Neptune? Hm...

                  I don't like horror. I don't like to "hide" from visceral reality though, either. What it is about horror movies and macabre things is that they usually DON'T reflect reality. Sort of like how I enjoy feminine beauty but when you stick a woman in 6 inch heels so she can barely walk and do up her face with blue eyeshadow and red lipstick, it is just disgusting. That kind of behavior belongs to the fire and water signs, I think... always blowing things out of proportion. I have too much earth and would prefer to go unnoticed, or notice what others don't... and I have enough experiences of death/violence/macabre in my own life that I don't need to dwell on it... it just happens.

                  For instance the other day I hit a squirrel with my car. I swerved but it wasn't far enough and I ended up somehow whacking him in the head only. I pulled over to make sure he was dead and unfortunately he was not. Instead, the tire smacked out some of his head parts and they were hanging out of his ear while he squealed and stumbled around in circles unable to gain his senses. I sat there and waited for ten minutes for the bastard to die but he wouldn't. He kept trying to get up, spitting up blood and whining, and I had no idea how long he'd suffer like that. I couldn't stand it anymore so I picked up a boulder and smashed the squirrel's head to bits... literally a blood splatter and skull shards was all that was left on the pavement. It was the only thing I could think of at the time and I was frantic. I sobbed so hard that night I had a headache all through the next day. THAT is macabre, and it isn't something to relish in my opinion.

                  I have Pluto in the 6th house, Moon square Pluto (Cap and Scorp), Mars and Neptune in the 8th house (Capricorn), Neptune and Mars trine Venus in the 4th house (Cap and Virgo), Mercury square Pluto (Leo and Scorp... heh), Sun square Pluto (Cancer and Scorp).
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                    Re: All Things Macabre

                    Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:30 PM
                    Killer Klowns!!!!! Hell yeah!!!!

                    Never scared me, I thought it was hilarious. Cocooned in cotton candy? Brilliant!
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                    Re: All Things Macabre

                    Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:19 PM
                    "I think another interesting question is what in a chart can indicate an abhorrence of the macabre?"

                    Ooh! Excellent question! My best friend is like this... Well, she is very traditional, conservative, etc. (Cap/Virgo influences). I used to think it was the Saturn-Neptune square that made her not like anything fiction-like (esp. fantasy, Sci-Fi, horror). She basically only likes comedy, romance, and action flicks that are realistic. She very meat and potatoes, in all aspects of life (God, we are so different)...

                    If you're curious:
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                      Re: All Things Macabre

                      Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:41 PM
                      I wonder how much the Virgo has to do with it. I have a friend who can't stand anything even remotely horror, gross, or "icky"... he is strongly libra and virgo. Fantasy though I think is a whole 'nother subject. Perhaps we should define macabre or expand what it is about...

                      It seems kind of odd that your friend is like that... I wouldn't expect it with Neptune on the MC... maybe because it it square the Virgo Mars? Moon in Leo trine Netune and opposite Aqua Venus seems like a very imaginative placement, too. Though I've heard that Aquarius and Scorpio squares can be very intolerant. Saggy, Aqua, Leo seems like a lot of fun, truth, and light-hearted tendencies... so maybe the "imaginative" is being stifled by something in particular Saturn in Virgo.. or is she a creative person? Oh I don't know!
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                        Re: All Things Macabre

                        Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:48 PM
                        b - "icky" is probably one of the words she'd use too. She gets easily upset by the macabre and will have intense nightmares (maybe it's the Pisces ASC in the mix with all of that earth). Sorry to go off in a tangent about fantasy, but the macabre is sort of an extension of that in my book. She is creative in other ways, yes! You have her pegged. And her creativities are very light-hearted and fun, not dark and deep. She is intolerant of certain people... very much so.
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                          Re: All Things Macabre

                          Fri, October 30, 2009 - 11:04 PM
                          Mars and Saturn in Virgo and Sun in Capricorn... maybe she just prefers her men to be puritanical? hehe.

                          Maybe with those placements, Venus in the 12th too, she connects too well with what is going on in horror stuffs... doesn't have the "tough skin" to tolerate it.
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                            Re: All Things Macabre

                            Fri, October 30, 2009 - 11:14 PM
                            b - she's surprisingly jealous in her marriage relationship - and I think it's the Scorpio Uranus stuff... She's in therapy... She sure would like her men to be puritanical, but they do not exist!

                            That's probably it - she's not tough enough. She's told me that she's tried to watch things but just can't.
                • Re: All Things Macabre

                  Sat, October 31, 2009 - 4:55 AM
                  " I love Aliens too, and to this day still sleep with a pillow over my head to protect myself from Face Huggers... "

                  adorable.....

                  " I shouldn't say I love all of Horror, but I will watch just about anything once. The stuff I watch ad nauseum are the 70's and 80's classics like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Night of the Living Dead, The Exorcist, Amityville Horror, etc. Ghosts and aliens get to me the most, though I can watch just about anything alone and before bed time. Bring it! "

                  oooooooh, I second that. I have seen Night Of The Living Dead and the Return Of the Living Dead movies many,many times. Ammittyville, The Exorcist and Dawn Of The Dead and 80's horror like House,Friday the 13th (up until Jason takes Manhattan), the early Nightmare On Elm Streets, Halloween, Phantasm, My Bloody Valentine and Creep Show. T.V. Series' like Tales From The Darkside, The Twilight Zone and Friday The 13th : The Series are huge favorites.
              • Re: All Things Macabre

                Sat, October 31, 2009 - 4:33 AM
                " It's possibly my favorite moment from any children's film (from when I was a child at least). "

                Better than when Bastian called out the Empresses new name and saved humanities hopes and dreams from apathy and despair in The Never Ending Story(1984) ?

                " I also watched the black and white version of war of the worlds when I was way too young to be allowed to do that and it scared me senseless. I remember being dismayed when they huddled inside the church and STILL got fried! It's weird cos that film is rubbish, but that scene terrified my younger self. Somehow horror like that just affects me more than gore related horror. "

                Its in those moments of uncertainty and dread that bring on sheer terror. The War of the Worlds scene of the people being burned in the church is the embodiment of true terror. God and Heaven suddenly were in question. What would be more terrifying to most people than to lose all sense of security linked to a belief that has been imparted into people as being a constant "safety zone". True terror breaks down the walls of security in the mind and threatens to consume one with fear.

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