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what chart configurations or elements do you think are most revealing in terms of laziness? and by laziness I don't mean lack of motivation or direction, because I know these two look the same at first, but I mean actually enjoying lazying around?
I mean, according to Jung, it's natural for a child brought up by hard-working people to be lazy, since we are all subconsciously drawn to experience that which our parents-or tutors- have not, up to that point in their lives, or during the up-bringing period.
And I grew up in a house of workaholics, so that alone explains a lot.. my father, a Cap with Scorp Moon and Scorp or Sag Rising-not sure, is the type that cannot sit still without working on something. And I realized from an early age that, in his case, it's an issue of being useful and constantly proving his worth-which, again, can be explained through his upbringing, apart from his astrological chart. lol
Now, for me,it's not that I loathe effort. Far from that. I think that, more than anything, it's my love of detail that keeps me from getting willingly engaged into some disciplined work activity, most of the time. Because every time I pick up one thread of activity, I get focused on one line of thought, and take into account only certain types of information, and have to ignore all the rest, which is painful beyond words for my Pisces Mercury, Virgo Rising combination, which doesn't want to miss anything, and I mean ANYTHING. I'm the type of person who can spend minutes analyzing the threads that make a towel, or cut myself off completely when I listen to a bach piece and all that. I just love merging with my environment, and that makes me appear lazy at times.
I mean, according to Jung, it's natural for a child brought up by hard-working people to be lazy, since we are all subconsciously drawn to experience that which our parents-or tutors- have not, up to that point in their lives, or during the up-bringing period.
And I grew up in a house of workaholics, so that alone explains a lot.. my father, a Cap with Scorp Moon and Scorp or Sag Rising-not sure, is the type that cannot sit still without working on something. And I realized from an early age that, in his case, it's an issue of being useful and constantly proving his worth-which, again, can be explained through his upbringing, apart from his astrological chart. lol
Now, for me,it's not that I loathe effort. Far from that. I think that, more than anything, it's my love of detail that keeps me from getting willingly engaged into some disciplined work activity, most of the time. Because every time I pick up one thread of activity, I get focused on one line of thought, and take into account only certain types of information, and have to ignore all the rest, which is painful beyond words for my Pisces Mercury, Virgo Rising combination, which doesn't want to miss anything, and I mean ANYTHING. I'm the type of person who can spend minutes analyzing the threads that make a towel, or cut myself off completely when I listen to a bach piece and all that. I just love merging with my environment, and that makes me appear lazy at times.
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Unsu...
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 7:53 AMNeither of my parents are hard-working or motivated (or educated)... yet almost everyone in my family is not hard-working or motivated either, with the exception of myself. Poverty is rampant in my family as a result of all of this.
Signs of Venus and Jupiter are often given the stigmatism of laziness, especially Taurus. I find that Jupiter and Venus aspects and essential dignity can be important. Usually weight issues seem to coincide with the laziness aspects too. One of my elder sisters is one of the lazier people in my family, and she has Jupiter (with term dignity) trine Neptune and square Saturn (which is detrimented in Cancer). Another sister is a year younger than her and she has the same exact placement. They have issues even making phone calls (procrastination is really bad). Neither finished high school either. When Saturn is weak to begin with, the hard aspects from Jupiter only make for more laziness tendencies. The first one also has a dignified Venus in Taurus in its traditional 12th house placement, and she is the lazier of the two. She thinks that driving to the grocery store on her day off of work means she didn't get a day off... They never leave the house when they don’t have to and are slobs. My nephew is actually probably more lazy, and has never worked a day in his life (he gets money from disability insurance), and also has a Venus in Taurus, and a dignified Jupiter in Sag, with a weak Saturn (retrograde and peregrine). Both he and the first sister are Aries Suns, which is odd, because you wouldn’t picture that placement as physically lazy, but they are. He also didn't finish high school.
I'm sure it's more due to their roots vs. their chart, but those are the connections I've noticed with them. I have always been the anal-retentive, driven white sheep. -
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:15 AMwow..that does sound especially lazy. I'd be curious to see their charts...lol. Maybe your grandparents were particularly driven and/or hardworking, which backfired as laziness in your parents? just asking..
I would say it also depends at what time you appeared in the picture...in my family, my oldest sister was born right after my parents were married and barely out of college, when they were 23/24, so she witnessed all their financial struggles, frustrations, family issues-even more so because it was the late phase of communism, which fell around her 14th birthday, and in that time people were starving with money in their pockets because there was nothing to buy in the shops.
By the time I was born, when they were 36/37, they had already gone through all the stress and frustrations that came with the status of intellectuals during the communist period, plus having gone through the loss of a child, and countless issues with the entire family that I could write a novel about..lol. Basically, they were at work for over 3 quarters of my childhood and early teens, so maybe that's why I can laze with a clear conscience? LOL. I feel like somebody deserves a free ride in my family. hahaha.
Not to say I expect everything I want to just be handed out to me on a silver platter, but that I don't particularly "enjoy" hard work, as a kind of "food for the soul", like my parents saw it, for instance. My general feel was that they used work to escape from their problems, and psychological issues, and looking back now, as an adult, I can see I was right.
And I can also see how it is all too easy to become a workaholic, in that virtue. My sister is kind of going on the same path, as well. She has 3 planets in Capricorn, and has been through a lot on the emotional plane, so I can understand her.
I wouldn't necessarily link Venus-Jupiter aspects to laziness. not those alone, at least. I know a girl who has a Venus-Jupiter conjunction in Taurus, in the 2nd house, and is very driven. Not particularly hard-working, but not lazy, either. But has a Mars in Cap, so maybe that adds to it? -
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 10:37 AM"I would say it also depends at what time you appeared in the picture..."
Yes, I was the youngest and so the last of the four daughters. I just think I was naturally the type to watch other people and learn from their mistakes.
Maybe it's true that Venus, Jupiter and Saturn links aren't the only factors, but I do find it odd that I do have a detrimented and debilitated Venus, a debilitated Jupiter (vs. their dignified ones, etc.), and a stronger Saturn than the rest of my family. My 10th house is much more prominent than theirs also.
Perhaps your friend's Mars in Cap is in an angular house as well?
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:18 AMHmm... What I've noticed personally is a combo of leo and taurus, sometimes with a bit of libra and even cancer and pisces thrown into that mix. People with leo/taurus or libra influences seems to really like to chill and sit around doing nothing. Placements that I've noticed seems to relate to this is moon in cancer actually (with some exceptions naturally) as well as venus or mars in taurus, mars in libra, moon conjunct venus and leo or libra asc.
On the other hand, one of my uncles have his sun, mercury and venus in Aries and he really tends to lie on the couch if he has spare time. He doesn't have the need to occupy himself at all (he's 39 so it's not like he's 70). He even has a virgo asc (which in my experience is an asc that needs constant mind stimulation at all times). He also has sun opp uranus and an aquarius moon which isn't really placements that would indicate a faiblesse for lying on the couch...
What might indicate his lack of need to do something would be his mars in taurus and venus conjunct saturn, that's the only thing I can think of. He can be quite active and he goes wind surfing in the summer and works out sometimes but it really boggles me how he says that he just tends to lay on the couch and stare at the ceiling.
Although come to think of it, he does it in a more depressive manner than out of comfort I think, so that might be more of the lack of motivation kind...
But anyhow, signs that relates to this would be:
Libra, taurus, leo and to some extent cancer and pisces.
Planets would be:
Venus, jupiter.... maybe also the sun and neptune.
I think the moon and saturn are involved when it comes to the depressive "laziness" and lack of motivation but not so much the comfortable enjoyment of sitting/ lying around.
House placement might be interesting, I haven't looked into it, they could have a say in this... But since I haven't at all considered them I have no idea which houses would relate to this.
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:41 AMI have an Aries cousin born on a Pisces cusp, and he has an Aquarius Moon.. and when I think of lazy I think of him lol! He's only 11 though.. and he's a sweet boy, but he can be very very lazy. He will ask anybody around him to get him a glass of water just so he doesn't have to get it lol! :) It's funny though because I wouldn't really think of an Aries with an Aquarius Moon as someone who would be lazy though, even though he's born on a Pisces cusp. He can be a very 'take charge' and motivated type when he feels like it though lol :) -
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 12:42 PMHeather
It's interesting with aries.. I know two more aries actually who both really enjoy sitting around doing nothing. Although both of them do have an active life and lot's of stuff going on at the same time. They both also have cancer moons and gemini mars (and we all know gem mars likes to have alot of things happening at the same time).
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 1:37 PMHuh... I also know have an Aries Sun/Cancer Moon friend and I could easily describe her the same way; as having a bit of a lazy streak (enjoying her sitting around time and tending to procrastinate), but she definitely also has an active life. No Gemini Mars, though - she's a Taurus Venus/Capricorn Mars. I know some extremely active, motivated Cancer Moons, but a number of them do seem to really need their time at home, alone, to unwind (more so than a lot of the Cancer Suns I know). But I don't think that's about laziness for most of them - more about recharging. (Same with a lot of 12th House-ish people, too, I think, and probably Pisces?)
Yeah, Taurus Venus seems to be quite a significant factor in making one lazy... Unfortunately.
I'm always a bit envious, because my girlfriend is extremely driven and works very, very hard, but she can detach and enjoy taking it really easy in her spare time. She's good at separating her work-time from her lazy-time and uses both quite well. She's a Virgo Sun (conjunct Jupiter and Saturn) with a Leo Venus, Scorpio Mars and an Aquarius Moon (12th House) and Aquarius Rising. -
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 3:36 PMRothilda
Yeah one of the aries I know have her sun, mercury, mars and jupiter in the 12th, and the other have venus in taurus and also jupiter in the 12th. I just realized they have quite alot incommon. Sun in aries, cancer moon, gemini mars, and jupiter in the 12th as well as the sun in a waterhouse because the other has her sun in the 8th.
Interesting view on the 12th house being about recharging. Although I'd consider myself being very much a person in need for recharging my energy and being alone, although I have no 12th house placement but I do have a stellium in cancer, scorpio moon and all inner planets in water as well as saturn and uranus in the 4th.
I think the 4th house might relate to a need for recharging in solitude as well... Although it's prob mostly about going inside oneself... -
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:30 PMsugarmoonpoison -
I'd forgotten you are a fellow Scorpio Moon! Me too.
I'm sure you're right that the 4th House probably needs recharging, too. I wouldn't be surprised if all the Water planets and houses have that need emphasized.
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 3:28 PMHow I think of my cousin is that he is great at making people do things for him, and he is 'take charge' in that way (he will probably be a great manager when he grows up haha). He will ask you to do something in such a way that you're doing it before you even realize that he could and should be doing it himself lol! He even has his 13 yr old Cancer brother 'trained' haha :D Oh but the really funny thing is he even admits he's lazy.. like I'll sometimes ask him why he can't get his own water or do his own chore and he will just say, 'Because I'm lazy' or 'Because you can do it', while looking at me like I should know better lol! -
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 10:00 AM<<How I think of my cousin is that he is great at making people do things for him, and he is 'take charge' in that way (he will probably be a great manager when he grows up haha). He will ask you to do something in such a way that you're doing it before you even realize that he could and should be doing it himself lol! He even has his 13 yr old Cancer brother 'trained' haha :D Oh but the really funny thing is he even admits he's lazy.. like I'll sometimes ask him why he can't get his own water or do his own chore and he will just say, 'Because I'm lazy' or 'Because you can do it', while looking at me like I should know better lol!
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I can be like that too. Aries Suns tend to have huge egos, in the sense that we think we know better than anybody else what we (and other ppl) should do with their time. We can be quite creative about letting other ppl do things for us, and because we are so honest about it, a lot of ppl tend to accept this behaviour. It's not that we're lazy, we just want to concentrate on the more important things in life. When we're not busy with our current project, we're busy brainstorming up the next one. I don't think you could ever find a Aries sit down and just relax. Sometimes it may seem like we're doing nothing, but our minds never rest. Aries have Gemini in the 3rd house after all. So, if you find a Aries not doing anything, he's either bored or depressed. -
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 10:34 AM"Aries have Gemini in the 3rd house after all."
Huh? If Aries is their ASC ruler they do, but just because your Sun is in Aries doesn't mean you have Gemini in a 3rd house area of your chart. I think you're trying to make a connection to the fact that Aries is the natural ruler of the 1st house, and Gemini the 3rd, but I don't see how that relates to an Aries Sun. The Sun in traditional astrology is associated with the 4th house, and has planetary joy in the 9th. In modern astrology they'd associate it with Leo and the 5th.
"So, if you find a Aries not doing anything, he's either bored or depressed."
Well, the two lazy relatives I mentioned that are Aries Suns do suffer from depression also sometimes, I am pretty sure. They are both very smart people, and I would say someone who is physically lazy may still be mentally active. -
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Huh? If Aries is their ASC ruler they do, but just because your Sun is in Aries doesn't mean you have Gemini in a 3rd house area of your chart. I think you're trying to make a connection to the fact that Aries is the natural ruler of the 1st house, and Gemini the 3rd, but I don't see how that relates to an Aries Sun. The Sun in traditional astrology is associated with the 4th house, and has planetary joy in the 9th. In modern astrology they'd associate it with Leo and the 5th.
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Well, it's quite a common practice in astrology to say that Aries (as a sign) have Taurus in the 2nd, Gemini in the 3rd, and so on, and with the same logic that Leo as a sign have Virgo in the 2nd, and Libra in the 3rd. I've found this to be accurate. -
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 1:39 PMAlex is referring to the "Solar 1st house", we just went over this in the Aquarius tribe...
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:50 AMI have a problem with doing the lazy thing pretty often, and it's something about myself that I hate viciously.
I feel a strong urge to accomplish things, establish things of worth, be of use to other people, etc., but I get frustrated when I have to do tasks that don't seem like they're immediately contributing to either a.) helping someone out, b.) providing myself mental/creative stimulation, or c.) contributing to some larger (usually creative) goal. I think I'm also really good at psyching myself out in advance and convincing myself that things are much more difficult than they are. I have a hard time focusing on things that aren't of interest and forget about them easily. And I have a hard time getting started, but - in a typical Taurus-y fashion - I can work quite hard once I get going (forgoing sleep, etc.). I can definitely enjoy lounging around and enjoying myself, especially with a good meal and a good movie/book, but I feel anxious and restless doing too much of it by myself without simultaneously getting something creative going (like watching a movie that helps me come up with new ideas or, if I'm taking in a mind-numbing movie, sewing something while I'm watching it). I have a lot of guilt over laziness, but I still tend to procrastinate a lot, and about the easiest things as well as about things I'd really LIKE to do and feel better about myself if I got done.
Few ordinary maintenance-type tasks feel fulfilling to me for their own sakes, though, if they're just for my benefit. I am always happy to wash my girlfriend's dishes and run errands for her, but it takes me six months to buy myself a new pair of pants, even if they're falling apart (because it just doesn't bother me). If I let something build up in my mind as being difficult or time-consuming, chances are I'll wait on doing it for quite some time, and when I usually do it, it was very quick, painless, and easy.
I have a hard time getting into routines of productivity, but can be pretty effective when I do. And I wait for inspiration/motivation to hit me far too often. I have a bad tendency to do the stuff that's exciting to me first and wait on the tedious responsibilities until later or, alternately, laze around thinking about how much I have to do and feeling incredibly stressed out and overwhelmed and incapacitated in advance (which is just ridiculous and counter-productive). Sometimes the pressure of having things be last-minute really gets me moving and accomplishing a lot, though.
Strangely enough, I seem to spend a lot of time (and have throughout my life) running around all the time (hence my constantly carrying around a giant bag and backpack of all the assorted crap and clothes I'll need for a day or two) and scheduling times to be with various people, whether I'm just hanging out or working on something with them. It's like my social responsibilities are so abundant and time-consuming (and feel immediately meaningful and important to me - something essential to making me get anything done) that, on top of my work schedule, I rarely have/make time to sit around by myself enough to regenerate and accomplish the little things that must be done and/or focus on doing creative work of my own. Just a small part of of why collaborations work so well for me.
Venus in 12th House Taurus conjunct Gemini Ascendant
Sun in 12th House Taurus (trine Neptune/opposite Pluto/trine Mars/square Midheaven)
Saturn on Descendant/square 11th House Aries Mercury
Mars in 8th House Capricorn conjunct Neptune
6th House Scorpio Moon and 6th House Pluto
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:52 AMOh yeah, and I have Jupiter in 11th House Pisces making, like, a million aspects in my chart.
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 11:58 PMI'm pretty godamn lazy... i don't do shit.
My mom is lazy too, so is my Aries sis. The only one with any work ethic in my family is my brother, a taurus.
For me, i just don't care. If i don't care, then i'm not doing it. I've seen with my own eyes, how hard work and determination can get you nowhere sometimes. This is why i'm not running out to get a job. I'm driven by desire, i can't help it. It's not that i have an issue with things "Unpleasant" like most librans, but i guess it's not about things being pleasant for me, it's about something being "desirable" to me, desire ignites my passion, and passion is my core.
I love laying around. Doing what i'm doing now, on my computer, or watching the tube. I love relaxation. Often times i love to sit in candlelight, with my favorite lavendar candle burning, listen to my ipod, and reflect. It's not as "Dreamy" as it sounds, actually my room looks really creepy, but bright light makes me feel exposed! Except moonlight, when it's a full moon, i open my drapes (Which stay closed mostly, i hate sunlight!), and my whole room is bathed in moonlight. My favorite setting and atmosphere for deep thinking and emotional reflection!
It's not that i hate hard work, but i just like laying around just as much. If i don't have anything pressing to do, or i don't have anything to do for someone, then more than likely i'm laying around in a sleep cami and my boyshorts (I hate wearing a lot of clothes around my house), lazying in my bed. I think i'm a person who feels more purpose standing still, i'm not an exceedingly active person. You think i would be the opposite, with Mars conjuncting my Sun, plus my Aries Moon. Maybe Pluto or Mercury conjuncting my Ascendant has something to do with the lazyness. -
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 10:19 AMAminah
Yes I recognize being driven by desire in myself, must be the scorpio influence.
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 8:52 PM"My mom is lazy too, so is my Aries sis. The only one with any work ethic in my family is my brother, a taurus."
What is your brother's secret Aminah? What's his ASC? My Taurus Sun child with Leo rising is a 'can you give me a massage now, I've already done so much homework and it's only 4th grade, life is so hard.' LOL, still waiting for her fixed determination to show up anyday now. -
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Sat, October 17, 2009 - 2:08 AMI don't know my brother's birth chart, because i don't know his birth time, i can't find his birth certificate. I think he took it or something, and if he did, god only knows when we'll find it! :)
My sister is a Aries Sun with a Cappy Moon and a Virgo Rising. She's lazy for the same reasons i am, but she is much better at putting her emotions aside to get the job done, and she also understands that sometimes it doesn't matter if you aren't passionate about something, sometimes you have to do it regardless. Even though she's driven by desire as well, she can remain relaxed and laid back about the craziest shit, as i get fired-up at the drop of a hat. And no, i'm not good at putting my emotions aside for certain things. My sis doesn't become emotionally effected by things very easily, whereas everything effects me emotionally, i'm very sensitive to my environment. All these things effect my ability to get up and go when it's crunch time and the pressures on, but when it comes right down to it, my sister is a diamond for sure, and i'm a leaky-ass pipe.
My brother is a very hard worker. Seriously, he calls out sick one day a year... if he's REALLY sick, but if not, he will go to work not feeling great. He works in retail, so it must be hard to keep a happy face when you feel like crap. Especially working at a place like BCBG in Soho, it's always busy. But, he is very social, and he can fall into "Air headedness" very often. He's very blonde, in personality, i mean. He can be superficial at times, but he's just the type that will work hard for what he wants in life, no matter how hard. At the same time, i don't think he would have such steel-solid determination towards his job if he weren't so passionate about what he does.
In all honestly, if i just don't feel like pushing myself to do something, i won't do it. And i'm terrible under pressure, i'm extremely un-reliable under pressure. It doesn't make me work harder, it just makes me want to cry... or it makes me sooooo stressed that i'll pass out. Yeah, i'm a weak-ass pipe.. ain't it sad? :(
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 10:35 AMI think as a "waterperson" I can be really productive and hardworking at things I'm passionate about, things that I feel gratifies my inner self and things that I feel have a meaning in any sense, but I have a real hard time doing something I don't like. It's so hard for me that I tend to escape any obligation to do something that I don't want to do if I can.
I've seen that tendency in others that have mars in cancer like me as well. Cancer is ruled by the moon so if the individual wants to do something he or she does it well, but if the motivation isn't there there's no point in trying. I think that's the tricky part about the sign cancer in my experience. -
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 3:22 PM"I think as a "waterperson" I can be really productive and hardworking at things I'm passionate about, things that I feel gratifies my inner self and things that I feel have a meaning in any sense, but I have a real hard time doing something I don't like. It's so hard for me that I tend to escape any obligation to do something that I don't want to do if I can."
Couldn't have said it better myself. If i don't have the desire to do something, then i don't want to do it. For me, desire equals passion, and this post made me realize how much i really do run on passion. The mix of Scorpio water and Aries fire really is a crazy one! My aries sis can be cool and detached about anything, but i get passionate and fired-up so easily, so you think i would be a little less lazy, huh? I have a feeling i'll find something that will get my fire burning soon enough. Until then, i'll enjoy laying around! :)
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 8:47 PMThe two laziest and sweetest signs (they go hand in hand you know, lol) are Taurus and Leo, me got one of each (my kids). My boy has 4 planets in Leo; Sun, Venus, Moon and Jupiter...You don't get more relaxed than this, afterall there's always someone waiting on him ;-) -
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Sat, October 17, 2009 - 12:42 AMThere is lazy lazy, there is chill, and there is relaxed. Different things. Age also comes into play. Purposeful energy kicks in with more force after the Saturn return. Things end up on your plate and you react accordingly. There is a time for the planets to be youthful and not concerned but this certainly may not be the future potential.
For lazy or the appearance of lazy you should check out aspects to Neptune. Neptune rules daydreaming and laying about in a mental fuzz.
Pisces has the appearance and feel of lazy but they certainly work hard at feeling/sensing/and exploring in their senses..
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Sat, October 17, 2009 - 2:36 AMVenus square Jupiter (conjunct Uranus) in my chart makes me lazy.
It's more about overindulgence. Hedonism.
I tend to do the most pleasurable things first.
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Sat, October 17, 2009 - 3:38 AMI would think the laziest combination configeration in a chart would be, something like Moon conjunct jupiter in 12th house or pisces, sun taurus or leo... Acsendant Libra...
I have a friend with Sun Capricorn, Moon in libra conjunct a saturn pluto conjunction, from the early 1980's saturn pluto generation. He is by far the laziest human I know. He will sleep in at the weekends until 3pm, even then he doesnt want to do anything. Surely I would have thought 3 planets in Aquarius would inspire him to do something worthwhile with his life?... But alas, no, he sits and daydreams about time travel, and has on many occasions told me in a drunken stupour that HE was the chosen one to build a time machine but he failed now he's on the "outside". Aquarius people really are quite crazy... Mercury venus and mars in aquarius, with his Virgo ascendant, maybe he could build a time machine?..But i suggested to him the use of magnets, he hadnt even thought of that yet... -
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Sat, October 17, 2009 - 4:01 PMThese days I cannot afford to be lazy anymore as I feel the urgency of having to create something of value...
(It must be Pluto approaching my Moon, and the Saturn/Uranus opposition affecting my Sun.)
Family background and upbringing does play a large role in a person's laziness.. One who grew up in a comfortable environment, absolved of regular duties like household chores (due to illness, or maybe just cuz they have help), and basically neglected by workaholic parents, is not going to naturally develop self-discipline all on hir (his/her) own especially when s/he has overindulgence/hedonism factors in the birth chart. There will be exceptions, of course...
Hardship or pressure brings out the discipline and productivity, it seems... Until that happens, then we lazy people are going to be aimless. Some people like me (with Capricorn Moon) are going to feel very bad about that....
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Sat, October 17, 2009 - 1:27 PMI just looked at my chart, and it turns out Venus conjuncts Jupiter... so maybe that's the core of my laziness? -
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Sat, October 17, 2009 - 2:11 PMHere is some info on Venus conjunct Jupiter:
"You're generous, optimistic, cheerful, friendly, charming, moral, artistic and religious. If Venus is in a "bad" sign, your manner is gracious, but you may be cold and self-centered. You donate money to religious causes and to the needy. You're popular and do well in business partnerships, especially with the opposite sex. You're able to relate to the public and understand their needs and concerns, bringing great joy to others. You have good relationships with your parents. You're a good teacher and dislike vulgarity. You respond well to honesty, but often allow others to take advantage of you, although your "karmic luck" usually prevents any real damage. Your artistic ability is often religiously oriented. You're restless and want to always be on the move. You may have it so easy that you're unwilling to use your abilities unless Saturn is strong. You must control your extravagance and over-indulgences."
"You're refined, artistic, probably quite attractive, have a deep appreciation for beauty, and could make a living with your good taste (again, this is greatly qualified by the sign and house placement of this conjunction). You have a great deal of energy for giving and relating to others, but need to set limits for yourself where both giving and relating are concerned. You value fairness in all things and go out of your way to be just. You appreciate others who have been successful, and may surround yourself with those in power. In addition, you have an innate sense of how to work with and guide others in making decisions. You understand the choices and can spot the right ones. You have excellent judgment in personal relationships, both your own and others."
While this aspect doesn't seem to be linked to lazyness, i don't think i'm lazy in a "over-indulgent" way. I mean, i like my luxuries, i'm a Libra, and what libran woman doesn't? But i NEVER go overboard, in fact when i'm in a slump i tend to be the least indulgent. I think my lazyness, comes from my inablility to put my emotions aside to do what i need to do, my extreme lack of motivation, and my depression from time to time. Not to mention my stress issues. I tend to stess over our financial state, which right now isn't so good. That depresses me, and if i'm in a bad mood when i have to do something... like leave the house when all i feel like doing is laying in my bed, chances are my bed is gonna win. Or if i just don't have the energy to do something, especially if i was emotionally drained sometime before, it's gonna be hella hard for me to pull it together to do what i have to do, depending on what it is i need to do. On top of that, i don't have the funds to do what i WANT to do a lot... and that depresses me at times too. My lack of motivation stems from boredom sometimes too, being that i don't have the money to do the stuff i want. When my financial situation looks up, i'll be alot more motivated, and a whole lot less depressed and stressed out, and i won't feel so emotionally drained all the time. This isn't coming from a materialistic place, i just want financial security, so i can sleep at night knowing my family won't be down and out in the next month.
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Re: "The Astrology of Lazy"
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 4:14 PM"I think my lazyness, comes from my inablility to put my emotions aside to do what i need to do, my extreme lack of motivation, and my depression from time to time. Not to mention my stress issues."
You nailed it right on the head, Aminah. It feels like you are speaking for me as well.
These days I am motivated by the idea of overcoming challenges on my own (like bad financial situations)... Because of the difficulties, we become better persons: resourceful and progressive, creative, overcoming obstacles... "Making the best of everything..." And I'm getting more strict with myself about *results.* For everything I do these days, I tell myself, "It better give us (you, me, the world) tangible results."
I'm not having my Saturn Return yet, but hey I'm not going to wait for that.
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