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WHERE'S YOUR ERIS?

topic posted Tue, September 26, 2006 - 6:05 PM by  Captain
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I have put an Eris calculator up on my webpage at:
www.zanestein.com/10th_Ephemeris.htm

Because it moves so slowly, it will essentially be the same degree and minute throughout a particular day, so you don't need your birth time.

Just plug in your birthdate, be sure you put it in the right order as described, and it will take you to another page where your Eris position will show up.

Now you can check a whole bunch of dates, one by one, and don't have to input all the other data like you do at astro.com
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  • Astro.com also has Enis.

    On the "Extended Charts" under "Astrodienst Round" if you scroll down you will see a box that is entitled "Additional Objects." Beneath this box there is a field to enter additional astroids and objects and it gives the number 999001.

    My Enis is in retrograde in Aries in the 11th house. And it forms a loose conjunction/orb with my Jup Rx. It is opp my powerhouse conjunction of Merc/Pluto (sadness! and funny! Explains the way I can sometimes undo things instead of sealing -- yes, I meant sealing... damn discord!) and is trine my Neptune (woohoo!) and quincunx my Virgoen Venus.
    • Quentin, you need to be very careful.
      Eris hates it when you call her Enis. She had a neighbor named Enis growing up, and she hated that lady!
      ;)

      Yes, I know astro.com will add Eris to your chart if you compute the whole chart and choose the Additional Objects option.
      I just added this program to my site in case someone just wanted to find out their Eris without redoing the whole chart.
      • LOL

        You know what? I KEEP CALLING HER ENIS!!!

        Only thing I think of is that "Ennis" is a popular name in the South... especially in Kentucky.

        Also, just cuz you know it doesn't mean everyone does!!! I didn't... it was a P.S.A., not meant to step on your toes or cause you to repeat yourself... I hate it when people repeat themselves. It tends to weaken their positions needlessly. (Unless the person asks to hear again.)
  • Unsu...
     
    Eris conjuncts my AC, Sun, Venus
    Trines Neptune
    is in Opposition to Moon and Pluto
    and some other stuff
    • Unsu...
       

      Eris is in Aries in my 8th house
      conjunct my Chiron in Aries in 8th
      sextile my Midheaven in Gemini
      trine Ceres in Leo in 11th
      oppose Uranus in Libra in 2nd
      biquintile my Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd


      3D true body aspects include:
      quincunx Sun
      semisquare Moon
    • Unsu...
       
      opps*
      Eris does not conjunct my Sun
      oh, and she's in my first house
      • Unsu...
         
        Eris at 3.31 Aries. Semisextile Jupiter, Sextile Sun, square Chiron (no more than 3*orb) and in 10th house.
        • Eris= 7Aries7r 25S decl. She squares Venus and opposes Neptune making a T-square and sextiles my ascendant.......I think we're a long way from knowing what effects she has, but I'll bet Zane will be one of the first to figure it out.
          • Now is Eris all bad? When I hear "strife and discord" I can't say anything good comes to mind with that description!
            • Unsu...
               

              I don't think Eris is exactly bad. I feel all heavenly bodies have both positive and negative influence. It just depends on from what angle you view it. I think Eris can be good. I just think it has to do with stirring stuff up. This can be activism,pointing out what's wrong in the world,civil rights fights....making trouble and challenging the norms of society to try get society make changes that can benefit humankind. Civil War in USA is an example. It led to freedom of all black slaves in USA. John Brown caused a lot of trouble for the south with his violence in behalf of slaves. Southerners saw him as a terrorist,but slaves and northerners viewed him as a hero.

              I think that I use my Eris when I point out the misdiagnoses and racism that goes on in psychiatry and my raising awareness of things like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,AD/HD,and other neurodivergent conditions that are often misunderstood and misdiagnosed. People who strongly believe in psychiatry and that AD/HD is a disorder that needs to be medicated will see me as a troublemaker.

              Jesus was seen as a trouble maker by Jewish religious leaders and Romans,and he was seen as savior by many others.

              I do believe that Eris has to do with terrorism and controversy which both can be chaotic and disordered.
              • Unsu...
                 
                Speaking of controversy, there was a report that Terrel Owens tried to commit suicide by overdosing on pain medication. He's a highly controversial football player that stirs a lot of crap up. Many people dislike him but they respect his skills as a football player. He is one of the best wide receivers in the game,but he's known for a big mouth that angers people,causes controversy,and gets him a bad reputation.
                • Unsu...
                   

                  Remember how I said about Eris is about stirring stuff up. I talked about Terrell Owens being a highly controversial football player that stirs a lot of crap.

                  well.......

                  DALLAS - Terrell Owens has been stirring things up for years, from edgy touchdown celebrations to mean-spirited comments about his quarterbacks and cries of being underpaid. Yet the drama was always about football, never matters of life or death.
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                  Then came news late Tuesday that Owens was taken in an ambulance to an emergency room. Details from the police report that came out Wednesday morning included words like suicide, overdose and depression.

                  Within hours, T.O. insisted it was all a misunderstanding — then brought the story back to football.

                  He checked out of the hospital and made his way to
                  Dallas Cowboys headquarters in time to catch some passes Wednesday afternoon, then showed up to a packed news conference wearing workout gear and his usual wide smile.

                  Owens seemed more amused than peeved. He apologized for being a distraction, thanked his friends for worrying about him and said he felt so good that he expects to play Sunday in Tennessee — regardless of the broken hand that led to the pain pills which, in turn, led to this latest saga.

                  "It was just an allergic reaction," Owens said. "It's very unfortunate for the reports to go from an allergic reaction to a definite suicide attempt."

                  Owens was hospitalized Tuesday night for what his publicist, Kim Etheredge, called an allergic reaction to medicine he was taking for his broken hand. Then, the story erupted around 8 a.m. Wednesday, when WFAA-TV in Dallas reported details of the police report it obtained.

                  The document stated that a friend, later identified as Etheredge, called 911 about a suicide attempt; that she told paramedics Owens was depressed; that his bottle of painkillers was empty; and that Owens said he was trying to harm himself.

                  After that, specifics were hard to come by.

                  At a police news conference, a spokesman would only confirm they were called and that whatever happened was "not a criminal offense." He officially released the internal narrative that started all of the back-and-forth, but the juiciest parts were blacked out.

                  A fire department official provided even fewer details. However, the department still holds what could be the next domino to fall in this story: the tape of the 911 call from Owens' publicist after she saw him becoming incoherent a little before 8 p.m. Tuesday night.

                  The Associated Press filed a request under the Texas Public Information Act to get a recording of the call. Fire department spokesman Joel Lavender said it would not be available before late Wednesday, perhaps not until Friday.

                  Owens was seen leaving the hospital before noon, flashing a thumb's up sign to reporters. But with no other information released and Owens not yet having told his side of the story, Cowboys coach Bill Parcells was peppered with Owens-related questions at his daily news briefing. He ended up walking out nine minutes into what's normally a 25-30 minute session.

                  "When I find out what the hell is going on, you will know," he said. "Until then, I'm not getting interrogated for no reason."

                  Next up was Owens, who said he's "not depressed by any means."

                  "I am very happy to be here," said Owens, who received a $25 million, three-year deal from the Cowboys in March, four days after the Eagles released him.

                  The report said rescue workers were called because Owens attempted "suicide by prescription pain medication." There was mention of 35 pills that weren't accounted for.

                  "The rumor of me taking 35 pills, I think is absurd," Owens said. "I don't think I would be here if I had taken 35 pills."

                  He explained that the bottle of hydrocodone, a generic form of Vicodin, was indeed empty, but the extra pills were in a drawer. He had taken two or three, along with some all-natural supplements, and he believes the combination made him groggy.

                  Etheredge saw how he was acting, noticed the empty bottle and called for help.

                  "This is a very strong human being," Etheredge said. "When I ask him a question and he is not responding and I know he is not feeling well, I used my judgment to call 911."

                  The police report, which WFAA shared with the AP, said Etheredge saw Owens pop two more pills, then "attempted to put her fingers in (Owens') mouth to retrieve the pills."

                  "I did not take anything out of his mouth," said Etheredge, equally adamant in denying that she told anyone Owens was depressed.

                  news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...HNlYwN0bQ--

              • >I don't think Eris is exactly bad.
                Making the Assumption that Eris is aptly named.
                There are times when strife is a necessary part of growth.
                The alien race of the "Shadows" in Babylon 5 seem to have a philosophy
                for evolution that is closely tied with this. See the last episode of Season 3.

                Eris might represent that inner drive to overcome adversity...
                It is not an accident that the verb To "STRIVE" comes out of strife.
            • Eris= Aries 13 degrees, 39 minutes. Natal Eris is conjunct my Aries moon (which was kind of unsettling news, but I guess I've dealt with it all my life), opposite my Pluto, trine my Saturn, Venus, Neptune--part of the Pluto/ Moon engine of my kite. My poor moon! Opposite the God of the underworld and conjunct strife and discord. Hey, isn't Eris the sister of Aries? So it's also like a family get together. I look forward to someone coming up with what Eris *means* or symbolizes in the astrological chart.
      • Unsu...
         
        uhmm... hahahaa
        Eris isnt opposing my Moon! whoohooo! :)
        This is my last post til further notice on this thread.
        • Raymond, that makes a lot of sense and I can totally see Eris different now. Sometimes positions and views need shaken up so positive progress can be made. Cool. Thanks.

          Eris is in my 6th House Pisces.. It squares Mercury Cancer in 9th and I think that is the only aspect it makes.
  • Unsu...
     
    14 degrees aries,in my 6th house.Opposition mars and pluto in libra and 12th house.Trine my saturn and midheaven in leo,and trine my neptune in sagitaurius in 2nd house.Great,my only opposition,and mars and pluto are conjunct to begin with...just my luck.*laughing*.
  • My Eris is at 6 Aries 43. Although my Ascendant is the last degree of Gemini, Eris has considerable south ecliptic latitude, and is in my 12th house conjunct my Ascendant, (Eris is a few degrees above the horizon in the south-east). The inclination of the orbit of Eris is so high that it is actually rising higher in my 12th house as it transits through Aries, though I shall be long gone before it becomes circumpolar!

    Best wishes
    Damocles
  • 9 degrees aries 55'10 conjunct south node trine uranus
    • Unsu...
       
      '9 degrees aries 55'10 conjunct south node trine uranus'
      Stacy, just out of curiosity: are you ever drawn to areas of interest in which you look for how social movements - and wars - influence things historically and culturally?

      My Eris is 9 degrees from my nodal axis, so itis still unaspected, but I am certainly interwsted in the way mass movements, old strife, may affect whole groups of people subliminally. But I could, of course, be off beam.
      • lynda,
        hope you find your way back to this thread again. i just read your message to me. i had to sit and think about this for awhile because i wasn't sure if what i am going to say relates to what you were saying but i think it does after much contemplation. yes i think you are on the right track. i can't say i have been very outspoken on these matters but know i have a great compassion for certain cultures that have been abused or considered less than others or veterans who had to fight wars they probably did not believe in. i take all this into consideration on the affects it has on humans but especially those considered the underdog. i could go on and on with subject to be frank but just wanted to let you know that there may be some correlation to what you were saying.
        stacy
        • Unsu...
           
          Stacy, thanks for responding and getting back to this thread. It just so happens that I had been reading up on Eisler, Gimbutas et.al and their views upon how we have ended with the culture we have. They reckon that most societies were generally peaceful, but then some groups of Aryan invaders razed a lot of these and created a cycle of violence that reverberates evcen now. Obviously there must be something in the genes too, it is just something I am curious about.

          It is an idea I have kicking about anyway, possibly from Mike Harding, who was interested in long-term astrological cycles and the impact of large social cahnges in how they shape different world views - involving cycles going way beyong what individual generations might remember. And probably coming acros that silly 60's take on Well's Time Machine.

          Thanks again, anyway.
          • Unsu...
             
            Again, this is like looking for radio frequencies and it could be, what we are picking up more is a Uranus thing here rather than Eris.
            Eris cycles go way beyond our generation may be able to discern, the nodal aixis is supposed to relate to concenrs that relate beyond this lifetime, either from the distant past (south node) or memes yet to take effect (noth node). Call it what you like: genes, karma, collective unconscious - and hence my question about possible interest in past cultural influences that may still be affecting the present.
  • 7 ar 17'36.7875..from the site directly, it puts it in my 12th house, i think.

    love,
    v
    • Ok, Astro.com lists Eris as 8 degrees, 12 minutes in the 12th house, sextile * my gemini sun in the 2nd, quintile mercury in gem in the 3rd.
      Hidden Strife?Discord?


      Love,
      V
      • Thanks, Victoria, for mentioning the difference between my calculator and astro.com

        I found the discrepancy, and corrected it. (My calculator would sometimes be a few minutes up to almost a degree.)

        Anyway, now you will get the same Eris position from my calculator and astro.com

        Sorry for the previous inaccuracy.
        • kt
          kt
          offline 20
          mine is 9 Aries conjunct Vesta. (I don't know much about her.) in my 9th house.
          it's squaring the Moon which is in aspect to Uranus, Pluto, and Jupiter.

          Considering the houses involved (9th, 6th, 2nd and 10th) and the themes involved, it is starting to makes sense.......school & philosphy & beliefs are strong moitvating factors. I can be strong willed, and hotheaded, overly emphatic (and competitive). This emotionalism is very tied into my sense of self-worth and what I coose to do for a living. I often try to lighten up,....it's hard for me;(
          I'd like to see more writings on this tho.

          xoxo
          kt
          • 7* Aries in my 5th house square Uranus and Chiron
            • Unsu...
               
              Eris and Chiron make a phantastik pair, indeed... Chiron theoretically transits Eris even in the U.S.A. chart at the time of the prohibition, but that's a long distance, indeed... among them...

              Dwarf Planets and Centaurs - Eris Chiron dynamics, part I - October 2nd 2006

              Extrazodiacal Positions

              In the article we mention constellations like Microscopium. Nessus in Microscopium is an extrazodiacal position while Chiron in Scutum is a zodiacal position. The zodiacal positions were published in our early work. We of course work with extrazodiacal positions for the giant comets, dwarf planets and centaurs as well.

              The reason for this article is quite uncommon. It would remain in the realm of research if it weren't for chance. To chance we dedicate this article as Chiron and Eris are at odds on this very day. The objects refereed to as Chiron and Eris are the comet or centaur Chiron and Eris of the dwarf planets.

              ...
              www.lulu.com/astrology
  • eris is in the 5th house @ 10aries19'0"
    conjunct
    venus in the 5th house @ 15aries16'58"
    inconjunct
    neptune in the 12th house @ 9sco35'17"r
    • Unsu...
       
      I have it in the sixth house square saturn and the sun
      quincunx -11th house pluto
      quincunx- 1st house neptune
      all three are less than a degree difference excluding the sun .
      it trines second house venus
      • Unsu...
         
        Quincux is too far fetched since conjunctions are already a problem, such as in the case of the U.S.A. chart where Eris is in Pavo.

        One must determine the constellation first, then accurately estimate conjunction...

        Eris is not moving along the ecliptic...

        sincerely

        Antoine



        www.lulu.com/astrology
        • Antoine references an astrological system that is Sidereal rather than Tropical Astrology. Thus, his posts on Eris, Chiron, and other bodies will reference constellations rather than signs, and so you may see planets listed in such places as Pavo.

          Tropical Astrology and Sidereal Astrology are both valid systems, but they are different systems, with different foundations. Both systems work, within the framework of the respective system.

          I enjoy reading of the research done by astrologers in Sidereal Astrology as much as I do that done in Tropical Astrology, and encourage everyone to keep their mind open. The only time I have a problem is when an astrologer assumes that their system is correct, and all other systems are incorrect.
  • Eris 14' degrees aries here, in the 7th house with my venus and mars, Mars the closest at 11', and sextile to my moon in the 5th aqau 12', not close but fairly so to my uranus sag 9' and jupiter 10' conjunction.
    So Eris in my house of partnership conjunct my mars sounds kinda like me, pretty strong for a pisces sun virgo asc.
    For anyone interested or with the same degree Laltely Iv been studying Inside degrees by Ellias Lonsdale, (14 01-15 00) 15 aries is : A man with pointed ears.
    • Unsu...
       
      Here is a list of proposed keywords and themes tentatively to be ascribed to Eris, by Roy Mackin-
      I got this from a Yahoo tribe on Eris.

      It does seem to pick up on some of the themes mentioned here, I think I heard something like 'power abuse of minorites somewhere?'
      I have not heard this 'inner call' theme before, however, not does there appear to be anything about how borders and dividin lines about how friends and enemies are created either. I still think the ideological themes sound lore Uranian, though.

      Well. Any reaction to this?

      'Striving to achieve one's goals and refusing to capitulate to the
      pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority :
      with great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose
      following a path of high attainment and enlightenment
      notwithstanding adversity - alternatively refusing the call to
      transform with mediocrity and underachievement as consequences:
      issues around power abuse of minorities, the defenceless, the
      alien: networks, multinational countries and companies, the world-
      wide web: piracy, terrorism, clash of ideologies: conflict between
      desires of personality and pursuit of the inner call: persecution of
      the spiritually aware person who stands alone courageously acting
      according to conscience: an outstanding individual ahead of the
      times.'
  • Mine is nearly conjuct my IC. (IC is 8 Aries 34, Eris is 9 Aries 8.) I've had problems with "home" situations my entire life (broken childhood home, my divorce, etc.). Still hoping to have a happy (shared) home life. I think I once read that Eris signifies what we have strife with and what we strive for, and I'm proof of that.
    • Unsu...
       
      Is Everyones In Aries!?
      • Mine is 14 Aries 10, trine my Sun at 14 Sag.

        Question: What does Eris represent?
        • Unsu...
           
          Mona

          It is still very early days for pinning down what Eris might mean. No-one really knows yet.

          Its revolution is so slow, what it might represent must go way beyond generation influences. More like trends within whole epochs. However, we might be able to say the same ofr other bodies, such as Sedna.

          There are tentative theories that it could have something to do with redrawing religious/ideological boundaries, Walls and the like, definig who our friends are according to these, and our enemies. Bearing in mind that these old emnities tend to be passed on through history lessons, this could make it less easy to rule out any connection with Eris and feuds between nations, religions etc that may last for centuries, even milennia. As some multinationals have more power than many countries, it might have something to do with the power these may wield to draw boundaries - it is worth bearing in mind, for example, that Bill Gates and Bill Jobs both have very close Moon Eris conjunctions.

          It could have something, therefore, to do with theability - or lack of it - to negotiate with other groups, other individuals.

          But these are still just ideas. We may get astronger sense of what role it plays in charts, in time.
          • Unsu...
             
            If you have Eris in Pisces, then you would have to be about 80 at least.

            If you have Eris in any of the preceding signs, then you would have to be a vampire.
  • Here is the first part of the article I wrote on Eris which appeared in The Mountain Astrologer a few months ago. If people are interested, I will be happy to post additional parts in an 'installment' format:

    ERIS STIRS UP TROUBLE by Zane B Stein

    THE DISCOVERY AND NAMING

    On January 5, 2005, the team of Michael Brown, Chad Trujillo, and David Rabinowitz discovered*1 a very unique body while looking over some older photographic plates. They researched it thoroughly to be exactly sure what they had found, and announced the discovery on July 29, 2005. Shortly thereafter, the discovery made headlines around the world when some very respected scientific organizations declared 2003 UB313 to be the long-sought-after Tenth Planet!

    Naturally, astrologers took an immediate interest in the new planet. While tables for the planet were not immediately available, the discovery position was, and so researchers quickly began to insert this position (19 Aries 45 R) into chart after chart.

    Astronomers, meanwhile, found that saying “2003 UB313” every time they wanted to discuss this body was too much of a mouthful. Since it was the new Planet X (X standing both for ‘unknown’ and also for the Roman Numeral Ten), they came up with a nickname for it that began with X, and called it “Xena” after the female warrior on television by that name, played by actress Lucy Lawless.

    It was never intended for Xena to be the official name.*2 Astronomers have a history of giving loving nicknames to newly discovered bodies.*3 2003 EL61 was nicknamed “Santa”, and its moon was nicknamed “Rudolph”. 2005 FY9 was given the nickname of “Easterbunny.” And my personal favorite was the nickname they gave Sedna, before it received its official name: “Flying Dutchman.”

    Nevertheless, some astrologers began to search for connections between the television character Xena, and the meaning of 2003 UB313 in charts. And this was compounded when a moon was discovered orbiting the new planet that the astronomers nicknamed Gabrielle*4, after Xena’s constant companion on the television show.

    Throughout the first half of 2006, we were told that the official name of our new planet would have to wait until the end of the Summer, when the International Astronomical Union voted on the official definition of the term “Planet”. Speculation on possible names was rampant, and it was fueled by hints that the astronomers had originally wanted to name the new body Persephone*5 but couldn’t, because that name had already been given to an asteroid. It was then hinted that the name would be a creation goddess, like Persephone, but perhaps from another mythology than Greek or Roman.

    All of this was going under the assumption that 2003 UB313 kept its status as Tenth Planet. Provisions to name it something else were in place, should it be demoted from planet status, but most people didn’t even entertain that possibility in their thoughts.

    That is, until the IAU opened up discussion on the official definition of the term “Planet” in August 2006. Right from the start, there was discord at the convention. The first definition was disputed, and there were many arguments. Finally, on August 26, the IAU astronomers voted*6 to approve an official definition of the term “Planet”.

    This definition stunned the world because it not only excluded 2003 UB313, but also Pluto, demoting them both from “Planets” to a new classification “Dwarf Planets”. Ceres, long viewed as the largest asteroid, was promoted and became the third member of this new class. (Ceres had been called a planet when first discovered in 1801, but was later demoted when astronomers discovered the swarm of bodies that was to be called the Asteroid Belt.)

    This vote was, to put it mildly, unpopular. People around the world were upset that their beloved Pluto was no longer a planet, and dissension arose in the scientific community as well. Petitions were started to overthrow the vote, and it would not be a misstatement to say that the vote itself generated great discord.

    With this going on in the background, Michael Brown, on behalf of the discovery team, suggested what they felt was the perfect name for 2003 UB313:
    "In Greek mythology, Eris is the goddess of warfare and strife. She stirs up jealousy and envy to cause fighting and anger among men……….
    “In the astronomical world, Eris stirred up a great deal of trouble among the international astronomical community when the question of its proper designation led to a raucous meeting of the IAU in Prague.” *7

    Many people, including Michael Brown, were sorry to see the names Xena and Gabrielle go. “We used the names for almost two years now and are having a hard time switching,” says Michael. “But for those who miss Xena, look for the obvious nod in the new name of the moon of Eris.” *8 What Brown was referring to was the name he suggested for Eris’ moon, Dysnomia. Dysnomia was the goddess of Lawlessness…and the actress who played Xena on television was Lucy Lawless.

    THE ASTRONOMY OF ERIS

    Eris has the current distinction of being the most distant object ever seen in orbit around the Sun, currently almost 10 billion miles away. This makes it three times more distant than Pluto!*9

    Not only is Eris much further out than Pluto, but also its orbit is much, much more eccentric. Pluto ranges from almost 30 AU at perihelion (closest to Sun) to about 49.5 AU at aphelion (furthest from Sun.)*10 It’s this eccentricity that has Pluto staying in Scorpio for only 12 years, while in Taurus for 30 years. But Eris ranges from a perihelion of almost 38 year to an aphelion of almost 98 years*11, giving it the most eccentric orbit of any planet or dwarf planet in our solar system. Wait until you see the effect this has on its passage through the 12 signs.

    As you can imagine, Eris takes quite a long time to make one complete orbit around the Sun. Pluto, as you may know, takes 247.9 years*12 for one complete cycle. But one Eris orbit is more than double that, 556.7 years*13.

    MYTHOLOGY

    Astrologers like to talk about how the meanings of a planet relate to the name it was given, because there often seems to be a connection between the mythological being and the way a planet shows itself astrologically. At least some of the meanings of the planet Mars, for example, can be related to the stories of the mythological Mars, god of war.

    But this correspondence is not a universal law. Look at the planet Uranus. If you study the nature of this body, very little about it fits the Ouranos myth, but much of its nature fits quite well with the myth of another god, Prometheus. Some people have even gone so far as to suggest that Uranus was mis-named.

    The body we now called Eris does seem to take some of its nature from the Eris myths, and I will discuss those shortly. But it also seems to have some qualities that would be quite fitting for a body that was called Persephone. As I mentioned earlier, the discoverers would have liked to call her Persephone, but could not. Perhaps they still tuned in to at least one side of its nature?

    The Persephone myth is well known, so I will only touch on it briefly here. But I think the archetype it references is an important part of the Eris nature.

    Persephone (Proserpina) was the daughter of Demeter (Ceres) and Zeus (Jupiter). Her mother was the goddess of the harvest, and loved Persephone dearly. So did everyone else, because she was a very beautiful, sweet and innocent young lady. Many males wanted her, but she was really innocent of the whole male/female dynamic, and preferred to spend her time enjoying the growing fields and flowers her mother made.

    One god in particular lusted after her, and he was one of the most powerful beings of all. Hades (Pluto) was brother two Zeus and Poseidon (Neptune), and ruled a third of the universe…the entire underworld. Hades decided his desire for Persephone could not be denied, and one day while she was collecting flowers, the earth cracked open…Hades came up from the gap, abducted her and returned to the underworld. The only witnesses to this crime were Zeus, and Helios (the Sun.)

    When Demeter found her daughter missing, she was in agony, and began wandering the earth, looking for her, but to no avail, until Helios revealed what had occurred. Her sorrow blossomed into anger, and she withdrew completely from the earth. Without her, plants everywhere began to die, and Zeus knew that if he did not do something soon, all living things on earth would one day perish. So Zeus sent Hermes (Mercury) down below to ask Hades to release Persephone. Hades agreed, but only if she had eaten no food while she was with him. Alas, she had eaten a handful of Pomegranate seeds, and this bound her to his kingdom. But because she had only eaten a handful, she was allowed to return to her mother, with the understanding that she would spend 1/3 of the year with Hades.

    Demeter rejoiced at seeing her daughter, and the world was once again full of life and plants aplenty. But for 1/3 of every year, Persephone must return to Hades, and during that period, Demeter withdraws into herself. When she does this, plants wither and die, and winter occurs.

    It is important to note here that both Ceres and Hades were immovable in what they wanted. Ceres would not give up wanting Persephone with her, Hades did not want to let her go. Only the intervention of Jupiter enabled a working compromise.

    This myth can be interpreted on many levels. On one level is a symbol of the budding and dying of nature. But it is also about the process of becoming whole: life, death, and rebirth.

    As allegory, it uses a story that mothers and daughters go through everywhere, which is why I think it is so easy to identify with it. There is the initial closeness, the separation when the daughter reaches womanhood, and then a reconnecting with a deeper mother/daughter relationship as a result. The breaking away can be traumatic, for both mother and daughter, but it is necessary. There can be a deep yearning of mother for daughter, daughter for mother.

    It also focuses on the loss of innocence that occurs when a child grows up and discovers the other world of passion and lust.

    But on a deeper level, it also is a tale of the internal split we each have, and the longing of the Self to be healed, to become whole. Think of it as a symbolic death that we all must go through when we go through major life changes, and the resulting rebirth.

    As you study astrological Eris, I think you will see hints of the Persephone often.

    Now, for the mythology of Eris.

    There is a definite duality to the Eris myths. In fact, there were two different goddesses by that name in the Greek pantheon, with remarkably different personalities. But some scholars see them as two sides of the same coin, for the name of both goddesses translates as Strife and Discord. For now, let us call them ErisA and ErisB.

    ErisA was the daughter of Zeus (Jupiter to the Romans) and Hera (Juno to the Romans), and sister of Ares (Mars). It is said that no one loved this Eris, because she was bloodthirsty and cruel. She loved to stir humans to go to war, and then she relished the carnage, often accompanying her brother Ares to the battlefield and staying long after other gods lost interest in the wars. When she was not inciting armies to war, she was stirring up other conflicts. For example, on more than one occasion, she is listed as the cause of marital strife.
    ErisB has Nyx (Night) for a mother. In some tales, she had no father, while in others, Nyx united with Chronus to produce her. Many had a healthy respect, even a love, for this Eris, because brought out the best in people. She was the goddess of healthy competition, and could be seen stirring athletes to give their best at the Olympics. This Eris was there when a man saw his neighbor working hard to prepare and plant this year’s crops, and was encouraged to work equally hard on his own land. When a craftsman decided he could do even better producing his pottery than the man in the next booth at the market, it was ErisB who stirred him to apply himself to his clay with relentless zeal.
    The line between the two goddesses blurred frequently as the storytellers spun their stories, and at times the nature of one goddess was attributed to the other.
    Because it is sometimes difficult, or even impossible, to know which Eris is being referred to by one of the storytellers, I am going to go along with those scholars who say they were two sides of the same principle, I am going to write from here on as though we are talking about only one goddess Eris.
    Eris’ children were almost universally despised. The moon of this Dwarf planet was named after her daughter Dysnomia, which was the goddess of Lawlessness. All of Eris’ children together were known as the Kakodaimones, the evil spirits that plagued mankind. Do you remember the story of Pandora's box? Well, when Pandora opened the box, out sprang the children of Eris, bringing all of mankind's miseries. These included Ponos (Toil), Lethe (Forgetfulness), Limos (Starvation), the Algea (Pains), the Hysminai (Fightings), the Makhai (Battles), the Phonoi (Murders), the Androktasiai (Man-slaughters), the Neikea (Quarrels), the Pseudo-Logoi (Lies), the Amphilogiai (Disputes), Ate (Ruin), Horkos (Oath), and Dysnomia (Lawlessness) (who gave her name to the Moon orbiting the planet.) Eris apparently had one good child, Elpis (Hope), which did not escape the box, thus we always have Hope to fall back on.

    There are many stories of Eris in literature, but probably the most famous took place at the marriage of Peleus, the king of Phthia, to the sea nymph Thetis. All the gods and goddesses were invited to this wedding except one, Eris. (Chiron was the one who sent out the invitations to the guests, and he thought it wise not to invite Strife. Would you invite Strife to your wedding?)

    The wedding was going smoothly until suddenly our uninvited guest stormed in, quite well miffed. Eris often seemed miffed, of course, being the goddess of discord but this time she had good reason! How dare all the other gods be invited to the wedding but not her!

    Whirling her arm, she hurled a golden apple in among the guests. Zeus was first to get the apple, and on it he read the word "Kallisti" which meant "For the Fairest". Immediately upon Zeus reading it aloud, all the goddesses at the banquet claimed the apple for themselves, forgetting its source.

    When Zeus saw the quarrel heating up, he began looking for someone else to be the judge, not wanting to get involved in a dispute between goddesses.
    He called to Hermes (Mercury) to escort the goddesses to Mount Ida, near Troy, where the young Prince Paris was tending his father's sheep. (Paris, though a royal prince, was doing shepherd's work because his father, Priam, the King of Troy, had been warned that some day this prince would be the ruin of his country, and so sent him away.)

    Anyway, Zeus instructed the shepherd to give the apple to the goddess he saw as the most beautiful. In this way, he sought to resolve the argument. (Some say that Zeus knew what would happen, and planned the whole thing.)

    Each of the goddesses tried to sway the decision of Paris by offering him a gift. Athena took him aside and offered him supreme wisdom, and victory in war. As Paris was thinking about this offer Hera butted in and offered him great wealth and unlimited power. Paris was sorely tempted, but before he could agree Aphrodite came up to him and stood before him, beauty personified. She said that if he chose her, Paris would be given Helen, a woman as fair as herself. Paris did not think, did not question, even though Helen was already married to the King of Sparta. Paris handed the apple to Aphrodite.

    With Aphrodite's aid Paris seduced queen Helene and abducted her to Troy, and this led to the Trojan War. And of course, Eris was happy to accept the blame for starting the war.
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      How about where is Eris;
      Eris (2003 UB 313) is center of Solar System (Part I).

      By
      R. Aaivu

      It is generally believed that Sun revolves around the galactic center. There is no proof for this. It is also believed that precession of Equinox occurs due to spinning of top of earth. There is no proof for this also. This phenomenon can be explained by elliptical orbit of Sun according to Binary Research Institute of Technology, California. Therefore precession of Equinox remains a mystery. Moon helps in a great way to resolve this mystery.

      Moon makes 13 revolutions around the Earth in a year. Earth makes one revolution during one year. Earth revolution overlaps the revolutions of Moon during the year. There will be precession on Moon due to revolution of Earth. Similarly, if Sun revolves around another object in 26,000 years, precession of Equinox will occur on earth.

      The location of Sun with respect to other constellations needs to be known in order to resolve the mystery. Sun is placed in the Orion arm. The directions of movement of Sun towards a particular constellations/Star is only known in modern astronomy. The position of Sun is not known. The point of winter solstice is actually the location of Sun according to one school of astronomy. The winter solstice occurs on December 22and is less than one degree away from galactic center. If this is the location of Sun and if it revolves around another object, then it must be at its aphelion due to the gravitational force from the galactic center. The point of winter solstice will be aligning with galactic center just few years from now. Therefore the Sun will be crossing the galactic center in few years.

      The points of apogee and perigee are always on the line connecting Earth and Sun. The Moon comes very near to earth due to combined gravitational pull of Sun and Earth and the point is perigee. The Moon goes away from the earth due to opposite gravitational pull of Sun and Earth and this point is apogee. The point of apogee and perigee are useful for determining the location of the object around which Earth revolves. Similarly, the perihelion and aphelion of earth are useful for finding out the object around which Sun revolves.

      The perihelion of Earth takes place on January 3rd and aphelion takes place on 3rd July. The line connecting perihelion and aphelion is not passing through galactic center. Therefore Sun is not revolving around galactic centre. The object around which the Sun revolves should be located on the line connecting perelion and aphelion. The object can be either Star or Planet. We need not have the mind set that only planets will revolve around Stars.

      The present perihelion and aphelion found by observation is not correct. In fact the reverse is true. The point of winter solstice is moving from west to east. Therefore the Sun is moving from west to east in the constellation of Sagittarius. Earth will be moving in the same direction along with Sun in July and in opposite direction in January. Trains moving in same direction appears slow and opposite direction appears fast. Similarly Earth appears to be moving slow in July and moving fast in January. This is the reason as to why the perihelion and aphelion are seen in the opposite places.

      The object around which Sun revolves should be located just opposite to the point of perihelion of earth. The gravitational force of Sun and the object around which Sun revolves will be acting on the same line when Earth is reaching perelion. The perihelion is taking place on July 3rd and therefore the object around which Sun revolves should be located just opposite to perihelion of earth. This point will be in the constellation of Gemini(apparent location of Sun on July 3rd ). There is no such object in the constellation of Gemini around which Sun revolves. The object will be seen in Gemini only if the plane of orbit of earth and Sun are same. If there is an inclination in the orbit of Earth and Sun, then this angle needs to be counted for locating the object.
      Message continued as Part II. Please read another message of the same topic posted as Part II

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      Daniel
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        This is not precisely about Eris, but it also questions the focus of our solar system within the bigger picture

        :viewzone.com/milkyway.html
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          I especially found the descriptions of the changes on other planets completely fascinating >.<
          Part of me wonders if it is a change in the planets or a change in our ability to detect and analyze things about the planets...

          But my guess is that it is probably a combination of the two and there are some changes happening...WOW

          I wonder if there are corresponding changes then in the way these planets affect us? (If they affect us on more than a psychological level)
          • Hi all

            After studying a few maspects formed between Eris and other outer planets, I came accross a pattern. I find that Eris may be related to cascde effects resulting from culmination of any major event or happening.

            For example, At the end of World war I the in November 1918 the aspect formed is Eris square Pluto. It may be noted that pluto is related to war.
            Similarly, at the end of WW-II in September 1945 the aspect formed uis pluto trine Eris.
            It is worth noting that the WWI left a feeling of dispair and discontent in the countries, which soon lead to WW-II. The square aspect formed may be indicating this situation. While the end of WW-II lead to the recognition of mantaing peace among the countries. This is well indicated by the trine.

            Similarly, considering Eris-Uranus aspects
            Eris square uranus was formed in 1904-1905 when Poincare and Einstein presented some major works related to Theory of relativity.
            A conjunct between the two planets is formed in 1927 when Theory of Uncertainity was formed. Both of these theories gave a completely new direction to Physics (Uranus is related to Physics and technology) and lead to formation of a new paradigm.

            An aspect pattern Eris sextile Uranus, Uranus trine neptune, neptune opposes Eris was formed in 1943, when the Green Revolution started in Mexico. The parts played by Uranus(technology for humanitarian causes) and neptune (compassion and fulfillment of basic needs of masses) can be easily seen.

            All the events mentioned above had much larger effect on the world than what was expected initially. Also these led to several other imporatnt events. Like WW-I led to WW-II soon. End of WW-II led to formation of UN.
            Theory of relativity lead to several new revelations. Time travel which existed only in realms of fiction enterd the world of Physics and technology. Though this has not been achieved, the scientists are still working on it, and making other break throuh in the procces. Similarly Quantum physics led to several innovations.

            These are my views. I will appreciate any feedback.
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    I don't know anything about this Eris yet.. but anyway:

    Eris at 16 degrees Aries

    Conjunct MC

    Almost exactly trine Mars, also trine AC and Saturn.
    • Mine is in SECOND HOUSE (makes me very fond of plants, nature and environment, and self-sufficiency ideals).
      It is trine my MC (originality to persuit a work or career, and maybe also some luck and involvment with powerful people)

      I have studied Eris for a few months and I found it is related to the following points:
      - originality
      - confusion, acidents or scandals
      - cosmic personalities, controversial people or people with huge impact in opinions
      - highly charged planet
      - abbility to negotiate or not, rebels, terrorists, going deep in emotions
      - fame or luck
      - refuse to capitulate
      - ahead of times

      a little bit of our time right?
  • 16-3 Aries.
    Conjunct-ish my North Node, Trine Uranus, and Opposing Mecury.

    But actually, Eris lies pentagonally in my heart. Golden worm, eating the golden apple.
  • Interesting topic, I was actually trying to know more about Eris and have been searching all over the net to see how she integrates in my chart. Anyways she's 15 degrees 13 minutes, 35 seconds Aries, in my 12th house. After taking a better look in my natal chart I just realized she seems to be in opposition to Saturn, I'm quite a n00b in astrology and can't figure out what all the symbols stand for, though (like what the -2A is/means :P). I'm actually receptive to interpretations regarding this aspect, as the reason why I'm here in the 1st place is because I've been going through a very introspective phase, and stumbled on a few posts on here regarding Saturn and Saturn Return that have been quite enlightening, so I'm now very interested in understanding more about Eris and the role she might have in my chart. :P

    • Bree - You may choose to view/characterize Eris as being conjunct your ASC, rather than in the 12th, given that the conjunction is very close and not in the sign that rules the 12th (either naturally or personally. I suspect that any 12th house interpretations of such a placement would be confusing or misleading.
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    my eris -
    aries 8th house,
    forming T-square with moon-jupiter-chiron in can,
    and on the other side with venus saturn neptune in cap.

    does that makes me a complete psycho? lol

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