Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

topic posted Tue, November 3, 2009 - 2:58 AM by  Lady Saber
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Natal chart points me out to be a go-getting successful person, with Mars in Scorpio and Uranus on midheaven and even Jupiter in Leo 6th house. I've fulfilled this too to a point when I was starting out I was trailblazing my way in getting clients, and getting what I want, and improving myself such that I'm always at the top of my game. I always had something to do, somewhere to go.

Am just wondering if anyone with a strong chart who has been through lazy, escapist spates of time which could be due to perhaps a change in focus, or realising that all these could have been achieved through chilling out and letting things fall into place.

What transits bring about laziness or contentment or escapism or exhaustion in general?

Feel free to talk about personal transits that may attribute to these feelings/ states of mind. And if you have any clue... what the hell you can do to get out of it!
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  • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:04 AM
    "What transits bring about laziness or contentment or escapism or exhaustion in general? "

    Neptune and venus can I think, more so than the other planes. Jupiter too perhaps.
    Check see if venu/neptune is transiting your planets - particularly venus, moon or even the ascendant.
  • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:16 AM
    Hello. Have you been paying attention the last few months when we have been discussing this? Or are you just so wrapped up in yourself you totally missed that this has been discussed at least since the spring?

    Fucking a whole lot of planets went retrograde then. Is there something wrong with your memory or your attention or your interest in anyone other than yourself, or what?
    • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

      Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:19 AM
      Amiable

      Rudeness never got anyone anywhere!

      Not everyone was affected when others were.
      • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

        Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:24 AM
        Not my point. All you had to do was read.

        And if I was rude, I assure you, it was for a reason. Sloppiness in paying attention to other people and what they say ain't going to enhance her business, which is clearly what she is all about. So she needs a clue. Being "polite" surely hasn't cut it.

        GF, you need to shut up a while about your own shit and listen for a change.
        • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

          Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:29 AM
          "So she needs a clue. Being "polite" surely hasn't cut it. "

          Not up to us to make sure she 'gets it' though! The prerogative for listening is her own. Sometimes people need it said twice before they get it.

          I just checked anyway and if nothing else, neptune is square her venus.
          • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

            Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:50 AM
            Well how else then if not we when she is obviously oblivious? Come on.

            Hey, I am willing to cut her slack on that Neptune square Venus. Doesn't change this nonsense, though. She should know better. Don't you think? I mean she has the same info and it is affecting her, after all. Like, duh. Actually I was thinking about other people helping now and then~ not just relating it to yourself all the time. And she is totally making me wonder about the wonderful boyfriend that sort of doesn't earn his keep and has that expensive ex-wife. Sorry, but there are too many clues here for me to ignore, even if you choose to. Something about that seems totally rationalized, but the resentment rings through. That needs some attention, imo, before it gets out of hand~ which looks like soon in the making.
            • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

              Tue, November 3, 2009 - 5:46 AM
              Amiable, you don't have to answer this if you want to and you can ignore it just like how some other posts get ignored.

              The truth is all of us here are here by choice; we pick and learn information the way we choose to and that's something you cannot control whichever way. I think the most constructive way to go and say hey "here are the links to check out. We have discussed this a few months/ weeks ago" I used to do the same for a few other threads where I linked what people have asked to what I have posted before.

              As mentioned I want to see ALL the different manifestations of the transits. Just like Uranus in the 7th house post. Well divorces and breakups are just PART of the whole deal. How about business, contracts and open enemies? Nobody spoke about all these other things.

              With regards to my post, some people associate lack of energy to Saturnine influences, over the ascendant or in the first house for instance. Some people view this as depression. This is not to be confused with laziness which could be Jupiterian and/or Neptunian and/or Venusian for instance. Neptune also rules the hormones and some people gain weight like that; and weight gain can also make one sluggish. But I do work out in the gym a few times a week so it's not all that hormonal.

              In any case MOST if not ALL of the posts, ask for personal experiences of transit and I'm just doing my part in contributing to the discussion.

              Everyone has their low days, and that post was probably the few if not the only time that I have been negative. Not too many weeks ago, you were the same person saying that I'm a good egg as I've kept cool and stuck to my guns when a big argument broke out in the moon in Capricorns thread.

              And just as you were ranting, I have come back from one of the better pitches with the boyfriend. We won an account that spans February to May next year and we're putting together the details for the contract to come through; and all of it through his effort.

              Thank goodness resentment doesn't affect me for very long. Like most other needlessly negative things.
              • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

                Tue, November 3, 2009 - 5:57 AM
                lady sabre

                back to the transits tho, do you think this might be realted to neptuen square venus?
                • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

                  Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:09 AM
                  Yes, I understand it's a Neptune square Venus issue, but I am not sure how much better it would be when Neptune moves forward in the first house.

                  Neptune's transits have always been very difficult to pin point and I have heard of a variety of things from hormonal issues to drug taking to shamanism, etc and dissolution of boundaries. It's hard to see anything positive from such a hazy blur; the good can be bad can be good can be bad. Even if it's good, such as great imagination or creativity; what use of it for anyone unless they can put it to some use? It's hard to see Neptune's influences as being beneficial for soul development, all practical and constructive uses aside.

                  It could be right that the laziness issue could also be beneficial considering that it also trines my Mercury and that's when I started the book and having really vivid dreams (Mercury in 8th house)

                  My other question is if I can do anything real and constructive about it. Or transits will somewhat really just bog you down regardless of what you are by nature. Or are transits really an incubation period for something else.
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                    Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

                    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:16 AM
                    "It's hard to see anything positive from such a hazy blur"

                    Depends on what you consider positive. Would an opening up to compassion or music or the arts be considered positive to you?

                    "It's hard to see Neptune's influences as being beneficial for soul development, all practical and constructive uses aside. "

                    neptune can help develop compassion and empathy if nothing else, plus a realistation that the earthly world is not all there is to life. The heavily earthy (particularly capricorn) finds it difficult to imagine what the purpose of anything is unless it has some 'physical' manifestation or some 'use' as youv'e just put it. Your moon in cap may be talking here! Perhaps the 'use' of such things is in the 'soul' or the mind and not something that can be turned into profit or something physical! Neptune also encourages 'mystic' experiences too which coudl be another manifestation.

                    YOu could of course just experience this transit as being a 'dissolution' of your values or of some monetary aspect of your life.

                    Neptune basically is about dissolving and mixing. It 'lets go' of what is no longer helpful.

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                    Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

                    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 11:34 AM
                    "My other question is if I can do anything real and constructive about it."

                    Lol-considering you're talking about Neptune, this sound very workaholic-y. I'm guessing it would be constructive for you to relax and incubate, as you said.

                    I've also wondered why I'm not productive during the weirdest times-like right after a move or after I've lost my car or job-- Aries impatience combined with Saturn conj. Mars, not to mention Jupiter trine MC, which usually makes things easy. For me, exhausting Pluto transits and progressed moon in Pisces have helped to force me to relax, but I'm also in this phase of wondering when all of this lazy daydreaming could become more constructive. I wonder if your Jupiter in the 6th has something to do with it, meaning you're probably used to feeling optimistic about work matters, but Neptune might be interfering with it? I don't know much about Neptune itself, but that came to mind.
            • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

              Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:53 PM
              In a way - I can see what amiable is saying a little in the chart when I looked at it.

              Although - I wouldn't say that it is really retrogrades that are affecting lady saber (from what I see) and I do see some ways that transits would likely relate to her in a unique way

              The way I would say it - is that I see a complex theme pointing to a need to recognize others.

              First there is neptune/jupiter square natal venus as Paul mentioned.
              This made me think "Give thanks, celebrate and enjoy all the things you have worked so hard for ... take a step back and recognize and celebrate and smell the roses". But now - chiron is there, too. So maybe taking time out in particular to acknowledge and celebrate the various people who have supported and loved you through all the challenges and been at your side while blazing new trails.

              This is echoed in the placement of saturn in H8 - moving into libra. Libra can be very other-focused and in some ways so can H8 (I said CAN - not always).

              As for other signs of "taking a break and recognizing that the best way to move forward is to relax and step back" - however you said that. I see 2 signs of this. Nnode transiting H12 (right by your juno btw ... appreciation and focus on anything you might be married to could be a constructive thing to try). Also - that jupiter you mentioned as being important in your go-getting drive is now quincunx to pluto. Pluto can be contrary in nature. Maybe by cleansing/purging/looking deeper into that go-getting jupiter influence ... you could better see the people who have been supporting you along the way - adding to any good fortune you create to yourself.

              Basically ... celebrate the people in your life who love and support you ... and maybe show gratitude in whatever way fits for each person ... and maybe that will help you find that motivation/ inspire you to continue blazing the trails. Or maybe the blinding light of how far you have come will be subdued/penetrated revealing the next steps to be taken.

              Yes - you do seem like a go-getter who is quite savvy, artful and good at communication and things.
              But you have not been alone it seems in all of these endeavours and that is something that I think should be celebrated and has the potential to be quite motivating - because now you aren't doing it only for yourself ... but also for others ... you aren't blazing the trail alone ... you have and have always had companions (maybe they didn't get you there or give you a free ride - that's not what I'm saying - but even moral support or encouraging feedback or anything like that can help.)

              That's my suggestion for finding something constructive in it.

              And - I wouldn't say that, in my opinion, you are characteristically stuck on yourself or disinterested in commenting on other people's issues or questions. Of course you don't chime in in every conversation but who would expect that?
              • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

                Tue, November 3, 2009 - 7:00 PM
                My independence has made me self-sufficient I think. I am very very afraid of having to rely on others for stuff just in case I get disappointed! But that said there have been people who have given me their support even when they don't really have to. I never forget those who have been constructive with me and my trail blazing and all. I am very quick recognise the opportunities and gifts and say and gift my thanks and then move on.

                "Nnode transiting H12 (right by your juno btw ... appreciation and focus on anything you might be married to could be a constructive thing to try)" Interesting. I have another perspective from another transit.

                Also since Saturn and Uranus are on my 2nd-8th house axis, this brings to mind what I value. My boyfriend, who is out of work, as amiable has pointed out has been contributing to the business in many ways except the monetary. The arrangement is that since I get more work than he, he will help me out for free as long as I pay all the necessities such as rent. It brings to me that his input to some of the work has been very valuable. After doing this business for so long, I tend to take for granted and forget some of the usual stuff that we use in campaigns, etc. He is suggesting these elements quite excitedly because he's fairly new to this. For me I am reminded of the stuff that works in proposals and campaigns that I might take for granted or forget.

                Again, what would you consider a resource with a Saturn transit on the 2nd-8th house? I've learnt to not just limit myself to the monetary.
                • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

                  Wed, November 4, 2009 - 5:45 PM
                  >>>
                  Again, what would you consider a resource with a Saturn transit on the 2nd-8th house? I've learnt to not just limit myself to the monetary.
                  >>>
                  I looked at the progressed chart for you and I see that your progressed ascendant has moved into your second house. This does suggest yourself as a MAIN resource perhaps. This could include your image, appearances, the way you chose to present yourself to others, your body ... anything that ascendant means to you - think of it as a possible asset in a new way.

                  At the same time - I saw uranus in H2. This is retro, yes. I have retro-uranus natally.
                  I think this can mean two things at the same time. In general - sudden changes and unexpected happenings in the resources department. With a square from your progressed ascendant to natal neptune - I'd say discerning the empty promises from the real blessings/gifts from others ... presenting yourself honestly and in the best possible light at the same time is probably important. At the same time - or switching back and forth unexpectedly - there might be lots of support and resources coming in and then suddenly nothing. Trying to surf those waves of sudden unexpected resources and support along with the sudden and unexpected losses is something that - if you can master it - could be a lot of fun but definitely challenging.

                  You might be right that yourself might be the most likely thing you can count on consistently for a little while ... but at the same time being consistent with others .... having a consistent partnership .... and recognizing and making good use of the opportunities when they come unexpectedly (and celebrating them) isn't something to deny yourself no matter how dependent you may be. Taking opportunities doesn't necessarily have to always go along with giving up your own independence and self reliance. In those cases where that seems to be the "deal" ... I'd be real discerning and maybe have a back-up plan for getting back on your feet in the case that it doesn't pan out as expected.
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                    Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

                    Wed, November 4, 2009 - 6:42 PM
                    ...there might be lots of support and resources coming in and then suddenly nothing. Trying to surf those waves of sudden unexpected resources and support along with the sudden and unexpected losses is something that - if you can master it"

                    I don't think there's such a thing as MASTERING unexpected change; more like "not being too attached to the outcome", as Michele Adler has said in a different thread and going with the flow. With Saturn being on the 2nd-8th house axis it also seeks that I exercise prudence; the concept of 'saving for a rainy day' is much more real as this stage to prepare for the times when you have 'nothing'. Everyone likes fun/ positive sorts of surprises more than the negative, disruptive kinds of surprises. But these two will come into play.

                    Progressed ascendant in 2nd house could also mean that how I am perceived by the world could be intrinsically linked to the amount of resources I got. I think this could be very unhealthy if the link is purely monetary. With Uranus in the 2nd house, it could mean that my sense of self esteem will madly fluctuate. That doesn't help with Neptune sitting in the first house by transit!
                    • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

                      Wed, November 4, 2009 - 9:15 PM
                      >>>
                      With Uranus in the 2nd house, it could mean that my sense of self esteem will madly fluctuate. That doesn't help with Neptune sitting in the first house by transit!
                      >>>

                      UNLESS uranus opens up the door to a new perception that pierces the fog surrounding who you really are and why you are valued ... or what is of value most to you .... sometimes uranus and neptune work together in that way.

                      Of course I see the potential for turbulence - yes.
      • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

        Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:03 AM
        There's always a way to be constructive about anything, even the most negative of situations. And I'm choosing to be constructive about this.

        The last one that Mantis did on Tribe, as I remembered and guessed was about NATAL chart configurations. This thread is asking about transits on personal charts that can promote laziness particularly if your chart point to you that you are opposite considering Scorpio Mars and Uranian MC and all that jazz. So if you're naturally aggressive and you've gone soft, then it's definitely a transit.

        I've gone to search again and there is a plethora of stuff on laziness but sprinkled in different kinds of threads. One of them was in a synastry thread and the other was on a thread on squines. And unless you spend your entire life on Tribe to read every single post, you're not likely to be able to cull ALL that information.

        One way that or anybody else can choose to be constructive about this is to ask for me whether what I wanted was on Mantis' thread or another thread. After all I could have meant a different thing, and I did mean a different thing.

        After all, I respect that everyone comes here for different reasons, whether to improve business, or love life or just while away time ranting at issues both your own and others' it's theirs to choose. Astrology is one lens for us to understand life.

        That's how all of us start getting involved with astrologers isn't it? We start as seekers. We were all figuring out another reason to understand our lives and others'; through a broken or uncertain relationship, or through a sudden loss of job, or suddenly being pushed into doing business like I have, or going through a dry spell, or having to provide for someone else.

        And I'm not about to judge or piss anyone off because of that.
        • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

          Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:07 AM
          Look, the simple fact is that, because things move in cycles (planets for example) themes are likely to emerge, wan, re-emerge etc etc.

          Has laziness been discussed before? Maybe. Does that mean we cannot discuss it again? Of course not.
          Issues of global warming has been discussed before, does that mean we're not allowed ever address the issue again? Of course not.

          Going back to the topic at hand. I normally associate laziness with a Neptune or Venus transit, sometimes a Jupiter one.
          • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

            Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:13 AM
            "Look, the simple fact is that, because things move in cycles (planets for example) themes are likely to emerge, wan, re-emerge etc etc."

            True.

            Neptune's kind of laziness is different from Jupiter's laziness. I'd like to think.

            Jupiter's laziness is in having everything handed to you on a platter, about over-indulgence in the finer things of life. There is no consequence except the good and the good stuff comes easy, almost like magic.

            Neptune's kind of laziness is inaction, because of an emotional, psychological blur, and not quite knowing what to do with it, a want to lose yourself in something else, regardless of all other bodily, practical consequences.

            What say you? I think my laziness is more Neptunian than Jupiterian.

            Perhaps you have other ideas on how different these two archetypes of laziness are.
          • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

            Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:19 AM
            Interesting that we are talking about this as Moon is full in Taurus (and is dignified) and Neptune is stationary and about to move forward.

            Thus the tussle between the physical reality and putting something to good use and the manifestations of empathy and love and all that jazz.

            And Saturn making a square to Pluto increasing friction!
  • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 11:22 AM
    "What transits bring about laziness or contentment or escapism or exhaustion in general? "

    Saturn, definitely. I think Jupiter also makes us slack off with its optimism. When Jupiter was crossing my 6th, I never once noticed that despite having a great time at the gym, I was still eating enough to not lose much weight. But I just ignored this and felt great lol. I think Saturn would have helped me work a little harder. Pluto also has a way of knocking the wind out of us so we have no choice but to take a longass nap.
    • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

      Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:42 PM
      sonah,

      Saturn is more indicative of exhaustion from working hard and depressed energy levels, I don't think Saturn rules laziness or contentment or even lethargy unless it's from working really hard in putting foundations together.

      Maybe you want to talk about it a little more about how Saturn slows things down for you.
  • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 11:52 AM
    Only recently has Jupiter turned direct. Neptune and Uranus are still in retrograde, and we went through Mercury, Venus, Saturn. Chiron, and Pluto in retrograde as well. The economy really sucked, and some people here were losing their jobs during all this or were locked into doing things that haven't suited them because there was not much choice. Even among those who have made great efforts to counter all this, feeling stuck has been the order for many months, and more than that, an ennui has settled in for quite a few. All this retro activity has literally been a drag, and has been dragging out all these feelings of inertia and frustration. A lot of people talked about trying to make the most of it by reflecting and trying to wait it out, but it has been a long haul that has been draining and has often felt futile. The sheer number of backward-driving forces has magnified the whole malaise.

    Mercury and Mars will soon be going retro again, so that speaks of more prospective hindrances, even through the early months of the coming year, making this an entire year of a sort of heavy entropy. Just surviving it might seem something of an accomplishment at this point. The frustration and sense of powerlessness over one's own life may not be so easy to snap out of even for a while afterward after languishing for so long, as many have been. Getting in gear might be hard enough, but gaining momentum may be even more challenging if much of a pattern of idleness has settled in.

    I think, too, that we have seen this is the manifestation of societal complacency over a number of issues where the need has been to step up and take a hand in things that have obviously soured. Looking around, the trend has been rather frightening as civil liberties have been slowly siphoned away and as the undeserving have literally taken food from those who for all pretexts and purposes enabled them to rise from whence they have fallen. So, on a larger scale, there is a lot of depression about where things are and where they even still look to be heading. None of that is particularly helpful when trying to be motivated on a personal level, either. It is a lot like what people have been going through trying to get over the Bay Bridge in San Francisco lately. That image might make a good flag to represent the planet this whole past year.

    At this point, anger might be the most natural and productive thing to have if that translates into being an impetus for a clean up and reconfiguration of the status quo. Under the circumstances, it is very hard to say what could clear the air. Perhaps when we get through these retrogrades it will seem somewhat less oppressive. Meanwhile, wanting to just escape it all can be figured to be a presiding attitude. And why not when limbo slides into being a kind of hell? Not that smashing the alarm clock and going back to sleep is such a groovy plan, but it is understandable.
    • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

      Tue, November 3, 2009 - 12:25 PM
      I didn't focus on retrogrades as much until the last Saturn retro, and I wonder if focusing on them has perpetuated this feeling for those of us who are into astrology (kind of like what Mantis was mentioning in her self-fulfilling prophecies thread). I don't think everyone has given into them. I'm also reading stories of people being optimistic, creative, more politically active. Perhaps those of us who are "attuned" to the planets project these feelings or encourage them amongst ourselves? I was wondering this because really, retrogrades never end. Mercury does this three times a year, and some planets are retrograde half of the year, so I don't know if that's the only reason for the general ennui.
      It could also be what our countries are experiencing on their charts, or the tropical switch from optimistic Sag to practical Capricorn, not to mention that Uranus and Jupiter are both crossing sign cusps, so we could be in a preparation period before a rush of energy into Aries and Jupiter in Pisces??
      • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

        Tue, November 3, 2009 - 1:06 PM
        I think the whole issue is completely relative. There's no planet that would make you "lazy", but there are planets that lead towards introversion, brain-storming, analyzing etc.

        In order to see why you feel in a certain way, I think you have to analyze all transits, and progressions, and the solar return and all that...but generally, Neptune transits are meant to "dissolve" areas ruled by the planet it touches-or at least "revise" the whole natal planet situation.

        I have Neptune transiting by square to my natal Moon, Mars, Jupiter, too, and it's actually keeping me on my toes-well, true, I also have Saturn trining the same planets right now, plus some wide Uranus conjunct natal Sun and Uranus opposite AC transits.
        • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

          Tue, November 3, 2009 - 1:55 PM
          Lack of motivation could be seen through a Neptune transit, or possbily a Saturn transits, for for that matter, Pluto.

          It might well depend on what is behind the laz6iness.

          It could be more about losing faith in some cases.

          Or getting 'stuck' - in which cases, the reasons for the block have to be understood.
        • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

          Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:36 PM
          I think transiting Saturn coming into a trine with your personal planets does really help balance the murky, hazy waters of Neptune or made at least more harmonious. Perhaps because I'm such a Uranian girl I do appreciate shocks and surprises to my system especially if I have been mucking about. How do you like your Uranian transits Mantis?

          But each and every change effected say by Saturn or Uranus seems to be somewhat temporary; even if destructive in the sense that you have to keep on your toes. Things seem to slide back into the murky haze of Neptune. And with all the retrograde planets, it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

          Neptune is moving forward tomorrow, so you can expect past delusions and illusions of situations and people to clear up.

          Hopefully by the end of the year when Uranus moves forward, things will start breaking through!

          Saturn has already started paving the way for foundations - a shout out to all with Saturn square natal Saturn or Saturn return folks!
          • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

            Wed, November 4, 2009 - 2:43 PM
            My Uranian transits are basically frustrating, since I can't really make the changes I want right now. It's building up electrical tension...

            But, you know, about Neptune...it's always a matter of house positions, as well. Like, in my case, Neptune's transiting through my 6th, headin' towards my 7th(actually, right now, Neptune's only "mildly" squaring my Gemini planets, since it's out of sign, and at an orb of about 6 degrees..), and since, according to the whole sign system - which I've decided to use all the time now - my Gemini planets are in the 10th, I don't think the transit is even near its pinnacle...but once it does reach my 7th, the conflict it generates will be obvious, and very much coordinated with my current struggles...meaning human partnerships idealism/sacrifices vs. worldly ambitions.

            If you have N Venus squaring T Neptune, by whole house system, that would mean your worldly, financial ambitions are in conflict with your current desire to go inside yourself, and figure out where you stand in the world, exactly(Venus in the 10th, Neptune in the 1st).

            Neptune in the 1st would tend to suggest some kind of identity crisis, especially in Aquarius. You might, at first, just feel a strong urge to cut off all worldly connections and go inside yourself, to get in touch with your inner spiritual needs, especially since they may have been neglected( since you mentioned having been quite ambitious and financially driven up to this point in your life...), but at the end, you're bound to feel like a part of a larger organism, and get peace and fulfillment out of that...
            • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

              Wed, November 4, 2009 - 2:49 PM
              all in all, Neptune's influence only appears as "laziness" to the untrained mind.

              The actual effect it produces is a slowing down in your life pace, a stronger desire to isolate yourself, a decrease in material interests, and, well, anything that will take you where Neptune wants you to go-aka. "eternity"-that place inside ourselves, beyond time, beyond needs, beyond desires, beyond restraints or pressures of any kind, beyond the rational mind. It is, in fact, the only true "stabilizing" energy for the soul.

              May sound like pretentious crap, but if this transit will do its job, you'll know what I mean, when you get there.
            • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

              Wed, November 4, 2009 - 6:49 PM
              Well I started writing my novel sometime end last year, but it's really when Neptune went retrograde at 26 degrees towards a square of orb 2 degrees to my Venus at 21 that I felt the creative intensify. This is especially when Neptune also perfected the trine with my natal Mercury in Libra at 21 degrees.

              I can't emphasize the number of times I want to run away to Bali and just write and not care about anything else. But Saturn opposition Uranus combo is shaking up the money and resources front!
      • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

        Tue, November 3, 2009 - 2:24 PM
        sonah ~

        Of course, retrogrades are not uncommon, although actually we have the treat of four Mercury retrogrades this year, btw, which is a little less common. In general, I think many people don't notice them so much, just as they don't register a lot of things that go on as a rule. But this year we have seen economic collapses, high unemployment, the ruin of many lives and businesses, some might say a "pandemic," although I don't agree with that myself, a whole spate of deaths of famous people, a lot of highly questionable politics, bankrupt state governments, prices for goods that have risen rather than fallen with the economic downturn, and a variety of other factors that have conspired to really put the brakes on a general sense of progress and mired people in a sense of inertia and depression. Some have rallied and gotten creative and are weathering the storm, but a great number of people are not. And all of that is rather less common, at least on these shores. So, I am speaking more in terms of the present time rather in more general terms, it is true. And yes, a Saturn/Uranus opposition that started toward the end of last year is thrown into this mix, which exacerbates the whole mess, I am sure. But in looking for influences that might make people lose energy and bog them down or create "setbacks," certainly looking at planets in retrograde would seem logical since they are basically in much of the same state. While not the only factor available to explain this kind of phenomenon, it seems to me one that, certainly in this past year and into next year, it stands to be instrumental in creating a lot of the quicksand feeling that has been quite prominent for a rather large percentage of folks.

        In other words, I see a lot of people experiencing this at the present time in a manner that seems to me indicative of a collective situation, so when looking at the individual and the aspects involved on that level, it is important to see that some of this is really quite pervasive among us as a group as well. That is not always how it goes, but for this particular scene, I think it is true.
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    Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

    Wed, November 4, 2009 - 7:06 PM
    FYI, I think the laziness post previously was about natal birth chart placements vs. transits, no?

    I would say Uranus can definitely scatter your energies and make you lazy. I've had a 9th house transit for a while and I got my first "F" academically during this transit. Two, actually. I was always a strong student before this hit. My mind was all over the place - pretty much everywhere but my studies. Uranus loves to rebel, rebel, rebel.
  • Re: Laziness, Lack of Drive Transit

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:35 PM
    I think the obvious ones are transiting planets making hard aspects to Mars and Saturn... especially for the more negative feeling of a lack of drive. Jupiter and Venus would usually tend toward a more pleasant type of laziness... a desire to enjoy life's pleasures. Neptune can lean toward some degree of escapism. Beyond that, I think it depends on the person and what their chart looks like.

    For me, personally, Saturn transits are rough. Very demanding, and can move toward physical illness, financial difficulties, etc. The whole thing can be draining to me. When Saturn started making direct contact with my string of planets is when the difficulties arose and life started to feel overwhelming... and I just needed a break.

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