Tribe.net. Local Connections $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#1565adeb-f9fe-4001-b3fc-82b2afd34bd7 2008-06-14T05:10:11Z 2008-06-14T05:10:11Z

Correction: Sun semisextile Neptune in my chart. I am tired and looked at my Uranus aspect instead. This still fits me though... probably b/c of my Moon conjunct Neptune.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-06-14T05:10:11Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#dfc3ad3a-0229-4978-8a6d-fae6c1e38299 2008-06-14T05:06:35Z 2008-06-14T05:06:35Z

"Does anyone else who has Sun square Neptune in their natal charts find that, not only are they given to a very rich fantasy life, but that the fantasies alone are so satisfying that they need not bring them into physical manifestation?" I have Sun opposite Neptune and can also relate to this MAJORILY. My Neptune is in the 5th (creativity, also relationships), Sun in the 11th (dreams/hopes). Neptune is very prominent in my chart anyway, but I do have an overly active imagination and sometimes have prophetic dreams. My Neptune tends to relate to my intuition and my gift for music. I have stated on the Tribe before that I am asexual and have only had one boyfriend in my life, though I do daydream about great romances (but not for myself, for imaginary people that fit my ideals). I don't have any need for physical relationships, which is odd b/c I have Mars and Venus in Aries.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-06-14T05:06:35Z Anansi http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#6c1f368e-b4fa-46ff-b527-c3cf5edc8595 2008-06-11T00:14:14Z 2008-06-11T00:14:14Z

I bet this is more affected by people who have this in 0 degrees. Those people born under a challenging aspect between the Sun and Neptune often struggle with a desire to be something special or to experience something more than the ordinary. They are day-dreamers and idealists. It is easy for these people to trust others, even (and perhaps especially) people who might seem from the outside looking in as unsavory types. They are looking to identify with something beyond what is normally expected of people. Most have in common a childhood that didn't help the natives direct or define their lives. Perhaps the early family life was lacking in supervision or clearly defined rules. A father figure may have been absent or distant and ineffective. Many people with these aspects have a glorified image of their fathers. Whether the image is very positive or very negative (or if it swings between these extremes), the image is not very clear or rational. Whatever the case may be, these people struggle with defining who they are. They might gravitate towards the "wrong people", or get in with the "wrong crowd" in an attempt to define who they are. They might be susceptible to being taken advantage of by others, especially by men or authority figures. They can be easily led astray by peculiar desires or self-destructive habits. In order to add a greater-than-ordinary dimension of experience to their lives that helps them to feel special and important, they might be attracted to Neptune-ruled behaviors, such as secret affairs, drugs, or other escapist behaviors. In some way, these people feel a strong urge to glamorize their role in the world. In extreme cases, the natives are completely deluded. However, in most cases, there is simply some confusion about the past (such as remembering childhood experiences in ways that are far removed from reality), and a tendency to daydream about being someone more "important" than they assume they are. They may struggle with early conditioning that made them feel tossed aside or neglected in some way, and certainly not directed and supported. These people are very sensitive, especially with regards to any real or imagined blows to their ego. If the natal chart shows a strong sense of reality and a robust mind (Mercury and Saturn well-placed, for example), the negative interpretations of this aspect are less extreme. Still, the natives are likely to recognize at some point in their lives that they have a tendency to engage in escapist and self-destructive fantasies and/or habits. It is useful to be able to connect these behaviors with their probable source, which is likely to be a weakly-defined ego and identity in childhood. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/sunneptuneaspects.html

Anansi 2008-06-11T00:14:14Z skye http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#ef54ca94-9dae-4dc9-a57d-ef6880ceb0a7 2008-02-23T14:16:24Z 2008-02-23T14:16:24Z

Hi all, I have all my personal planets in aspect to neptune except the Sun and I experience the samething as far as a very strong imagination.. comes in handy when you need it....skye

skye 2008-02-23T14:16:24Z Alchemy Elixir http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#26374153-9a08-4b6c-a333-b3db59404150 2008-02-19T21:14:47Z 2008-02-19T21:14:47Z

I do have Neptune square my sun & my sun is in Pisces(western) in the 6th, & neptune within the 4th house, conjunct my IC & south node. Yes My father was absent alot in my life when growing up, he was a shift worker, yet even when not working he had other things to do, he was moody as hell & his eyes changed colour according to mood, this I took note of as to approach him in a bad mood, it was to expected to be picked on with green eyes, he is a virgo. I think somewhat I see this aspect affects me, but it's not that close @ 9 degrees, & also Saturn is sextile in my 1st house neptune @ a closer5 degrees, & Mercury in my 6th trine saturn @ 3 degrees, Im posssibly a little to practical, yet I do dream alot, But get quite charged to manifest them, & I have manifested quite a few now, when I have put my mind to it.:)

Alchemy Elixir 2008-02-19T21:14:47Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#1aa465e4-b557-4fbc-a38f-5a0bb04089f3 2008-02-17T00:02:42Z 2008-02-17T00:02:42Z

I think it's really lovely to be able to believe enough in group efforts and causes to do things like participate in protests and Food Not Bombs, and the like, even if you feel it was handled in an immature manner. It is certainly unfortunate that it ended badly, but it is impressive that you actually put in the effort for things like that. It's so easy to become jaded and ignore everything outside yourself and your own problems (surely where I'm at right now, as much as I dislike admitting it). I have all this community - as I've stated previously - and yet I'm not currently making much use of its potential for accomplishing things. Not meaning to undermine what you've learned from your previous efforts, by any means. It's always hard to work ideals into practical application in reality. Things are so beautiful in all their potential in dream-form. But one of the most fantastic things about 11th House/Aquarius/Uranus stuff is that the community that may form around similar ideas can feed a variety of perspectives into the mix - potentially - that will really shape an effort into something that couldn't have been envisioned or carried out quite the same by an individual... that is, if everyone cooperates enough. And, come to think of it, that could still be another instance of dreaming something beautiful (just as a group, rather than solo) that might not transfer well into practical application. Tangent! At any rate, I definitely sympathize with the difficulty in opening up and hope you can get something from all this discussion on here, even if you don't want to have a sharing free-for-all sort of thing. It is terrifying to dig to the source of something and show what you find to others... I've only recently been able to work on that at all and mainly via the seeming-anonymity of the internet, rather than in the rest of my life (face-to-face openness about myself is truly alarming).

Rothilda T. 2008-02-17T00:02:42Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#dbbcadd4-e3c7-4c9c-977a-aa0e0f826e68 2008-02-16T23:18:38Z 2008-02-16T23:18:38Z

Jill - How do you feel about how that there Uranus in the 11th functions? I always have a hard time reading charts where planets are in the houses they correspond with, though it seems like it should be clear enough... I have a hard time distinguishing things in those cases, I think, whereas its easier (for me, at least) to combine two distinct things and come up with something to say about them.

Rothilda T. 2008-02-16T23:18:38Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#fcc4c932-cee5-4cc9-bbf0-7655cdb12c7f 2008-02-16T22:46:42Z 2008-02-16T22:46:42Z

I'd say the fine line between neptune and jupiter is something about neptune dissolving boundaries verses the beneficial nature jupiter seems to have. Otherwise the expansive thing fits both, I think. And I agree that 11th/aquarius is more about groups or social movements/ aquaintances than close friends or intimate companions of any sort. I'm totally good with that kind of thing but not so good with the intimate stuff. I get antsy and bored quick I'm sorry to say. (Not to mention a wee bit suspicious and defensive - that is the worst part) But if I remember right, Mantis mentioned moon ruling the 11th or something? If you get the moon involved somehow then emotional securities and tenderness definitely get involved on some level, in my opinion. Intimacy hmmm ... kinda the moon. You can be touchy-feely security-attaching - emotional like crazy but still not totally intimate. I think of intimacy more like scorpio and pluto. I think true intimacy requires a great depth and willingness to endure both the pain and the warm-fuzzies. Me: I got mercury in 11th aries and venus in 9th aquarius. I like/enjoy being around lots of people yet I NEED time to myself and WILL NOT be defined by any group or movement. It is rather like being a cat .... I MUST get in ... now I MUST find a way out ... don't include me TOO MUCH but I will cry and whine if you leave me out I do go for the rather bizzare and have a taste for out-of-the-way stuff including groups of people. I wouldn't say they are "bad" but not particularly "good" either. yadda yadda yadda

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T22:46:42Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#44eb31bc-04dd-48bc-9d14-84d9dbc57f15 2008-02-16T22:00:11Z 2008-02-16T22:00:11Z

mantis, i just described this... i can relate to what you've said. my fear keeps me from living, my fantasies keep me away from whats really real, and even if i am convinced of my own reality, the energy it takes to keep it up is starting to feel ridiculous. its interesting to try little experiments on yourself to test your own reality. maybe theres a walking bridge over a freeway near where you live, try to see how many times you can walk across it and hypothetically not get run over by the cars below. i was watching inside the actors studio with paul newman last night, he mentioned that if you're trying to make a point of something you have to step back from it. like if you're trying to make a point by yelling, you won't. --that made so much sense to me, if you're always holding onto your own reality you're not going to see the point of it or see who you are...but by experimenting, putting yourself in new situations, you can notice little differences, the subtle things . life is a lot of "finesse" i think. i dont know if any of that made sense, or relates to you? i feel like maybe we're in the same pool, and maybe you've heard all of that before, ive just been excited by those ideas and i feel like its a constant struggle to stay open

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T22:00:11Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#0a5694b2-c3ed-4ff7-8801-37e2da0cf1fb 2008-02-16T21:48:36Z 2008-02-16T21:48:36Z

Rothilda, the Saturn in the 7th definitely shows "angsty loneliness". I feel the same about my Saturn in the 4th-even surrounded by relatives, I feel like an orphan. Well, it's more like...I don't really feel the need to have friends and acquaintances, but my Sun in the 7th would like a partner of some sort, and I guess an 11th house emphasis would've helped. It's not that I have a difficulty in getting along with people, it's that I'm very demanding, and end up feeling isolated in the end...I would be very happy if I could just find a total nut job as a friend and live with him/her(lol) on a deserted island, somewhere. Most of the times I realize that I push people away with my way of behaving. But I also have a terrible anxiety about being in a large group of people(and by large I mean bigger than me and another maximum of 3-lol). I have a fear of feeling "exposed". I guess it's cause I'm a control freak. And that's despite a pretty big urge to make a stand and make my opinions heard and my presence noticed...it's really frustrating.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T21:48:36Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#4f780e7b-07a9-48c0-9cf2-ffa0ec60838e 2008-02-16T21:38:17Z 2008-02-16T21:38:17Z

Roth, hmm. i still don't know enough about astrology to know if you're getting jupiter and neptune mixed up, and maybe because i have jupiter neptune conjunction that i draw a blank particularly. i would say i am especially optimistic too, but i am realizing its a skewed optimistim, which for the first time feels liberating to admit, because i can let it go and see how complicated and deconstructed its gotten. i totally fit all those cliches about pisces and neptune and living in a dream world of hyper idealic fantasies. i got into a lot of trouble when i was younger at peace protests, i was really convinced we could change the world, i opened up my first tiny apartment i had to the cooking space for 'food not bombs' and all sorts people came to get food and help prepare the food for anyone who was hungry in the community. it ended awfully, all my humanitarian pursuits where insanely immature. i am still going through things, for some reason as i get older i feel like my problems become more and more subtle, that i would need a platform to unfurl them. I dont know, , i could be more honest about what is happening now and perhaps more people could relate to it than what was happening 4 years ago in my life. im glad you're sharing, :) i need to open up more, , it scares me to make sense, i think thats a neptune thing too, to keep me farther and farther from reality,

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T21:38:17Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#d5165993-8564-40bc-9705-456396393cd2 2008-02-16T21:36:32Z 2008-02-16T21:36:32Z

christmas, u gotta look at it lthis way:the signs, decanates, cusps are just groups. They were created to ease up the astrologer's job of analyzing a chart's energy. They grouped degrees and tried to figure out common traits for them all. But, in reality, every new degree of a sign in which the Sun(or any other planet) enters brings a new lesson. It's like the time axis, or an individual's life...say u have ur sun in 0 degrees Pisces-it's just gotten out of Aquarius's lessons of brotherly love, and entered the watery domain of Neptune-thus it gets a touch of water-well, more than a touch. It's in awe of this new environment- a new expression of love and humanity. Then, as it gets closer to Aries, the Sun has learned the Pisces chapter and is ready to give in to the birth of a new cycle-thus the label of "Scorpio Decanate" for the last 10 degrees of Pisces...

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T21:36:32Z qasdafil http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#2170cf7f-f2d2-47d9-9a95-f5614356846e 2008-02-16T21:27:40Z 2008-02-16T21:27:40Z

>>My 11th is completely empty-no asteroids, no nutin..and it's also ruled by the Moon, which is conjunct Mars and square Mercury...so find it very hard to actually get close to people. Mantis I don't feel like the 11th house has anything to do with one's intimacy in friendships. I think intimacy in general is ruled by your Moon and any Cancer or Scorpio stuff in your chart. I see 11th house as more like friendships in groups - friendships that are more like "your gang"... these kinds of friendships are not geared toward being intimate, esp when the whole gang is hanging out together. My observations about Aquarius people are also right on that mark. They dont seem to concerned with finding that one other person in their life- they like to organize groups of people, and to do that, their relationships with those people have to be warm, but not really one-on-one. One example Im thinking of is an Aquarius person who dates another social bunny. They are in a relationship, but they hang out with others (their "gang") more than they spend one on one with each other and I think that works really well for them. >>I can definitely identify with having sort of lofty ideals about the bonds of friendship and community, and also with what you mentioned about having a hard time having fun when others seem like they're not. In regards to the latter, it becomes sort of a mission for me to get a friend who's down in a social setting to enjoy themselves Rothilda, I can def. also relate to this. but i think this has to do with my Venus in Scorpio more - just being attracted to the person in the crowd who's more moody and "real" than all the bouncy party-goers. I do have Uranus in my 11th house though.

qasdafil 2008-02-16T21:27:40Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#1321f47c-68e1-466f-bf36-32c687622b1f 2008-02-16T21:26:04Z 2008-02-16T21:26:04Z

from what u've written, jill and Pi, I could conclude that the Neptune-Sun square just gives a touch of the Pisces nature to one's basic self. I've had that thing with inertia at one point, but it was even worse for me. It wasn't that I wouldn't face problems, it was not being able to understand that there might be a problem. I still wouldn't say I'm ok with living in this world and all its invented rules. For me, every single day is the same struggle with myself all over again. And if I wouldn't have the ability to detach myself, I would definitely go crazy. I've learned to deal with earthy issues in the Gordian Knot way-stop trying to figure it out and cut through it! Most earthy issues are a waste of time for the Neptune-touched. But, anyway, it's useless to analyze this aspect outside the entire chart...it's just another nuance in a sea of nuances.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T21:26:04Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#519fad0b-3318-4ea6-9de5-1c7981638be3 2008-02-16T21:21:36Z 2008-02-16T21:21:36Z

i hope that made sense? when you think about the signs as keys on a piano, the notes right next to each other are so similar but so different at the same time, the opposition on a piano is the same note but higher or lower sounding, thats kind of how it feels to me. and i dont know why i brought up cusps...it just came in my head as i was relating, and remembered you were also a cusp person

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T21:21:36Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#de85c9a9-a72f-4198-a133-6af438ef50d3 2008-02-16T21:15:42Z 2008-02-16T21:15:42Z

Sorry to sidetrack that last post to being all about myself, though (Aries Mercury!... in the 11th House, as well)... Do you find it's difficult to connect with groups/communities, even if it's not on an extremely close level? Like there's not much of an empasis on groups of friends (or even acquaintances) with some sort of bonding element in your life without an 11th House emphasis?

Rothilda T. 2008-02-16T21:15:42Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#6c36cf8c-2be2-4256-87ce-5a5a08e7350a 2008-02-16T21:12:07Z 2008-02-16T21:12:07Z

Weirdly enough, even though I'm lucky when it comes to finding the right sorts of communities, I have an absolutely dreadful time getting to know people very often, as well, particularly when it comes to anything romantic. I do have my Sun and Venus in the 12th, Saturn on my Descendant, and my Scorp. Moon opposite Venus... It's a weird mix of bursts of luck, wonderful community, and angsty loneliness. Seems rather contradictory when I write it out, no?, and like I'm lonely for no reason. Ha. Maybe it's that the 11th doesn't feel equate the sort of close one-on-one connections I crave, as utterly fantastic as all the community bonding is.

Rothilda T. 2008-02-16T21:12:07Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#99c02363-1d11-4bb8-92e7-448c7fb9f529 2008-02-16T21:02:50Z 2008-02-16T21:02:50Z

I envy ppl with 11th house planets. My 11th is completely empty-no asteroids, no nutin..and it's also ruled by the Moon, which is conjunct Mars and square Mercury...so find it very hard to actually get close to people.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T21:02:50Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#4b2cfdbf-b2b5-4b57-92f1-6058828ebd68 2008-02-16T20:41:51Z 2008-02-16T20:41:51Z

Christmas, I also have Jupiter in the 11th (but not Neptune, though my Jupiter's in Pisces) and I can definitely identify with having sort of lofty ideals about the bonds of friendship and community, and also with what you mentioned about having a hard time having fun when others seem like they're not. In regards to the latter, it becomes sort of a mission for me to get a friend who's down in a social setting to enjoy themselves (which I'm sure has gotten obnoxious, a few times). In regards to optimism, I wouldn't say I'm especially optimistic, in general, but I am definitely about 11th House and Pisces-esque things, such as (again) the power of community-based activities, long-term goals, and the potential for good in all people (though I don't deny the potential for that which is definitely less than good in all people, either). I would certainly say I am too trusting in that I am likely to be friends with someone who gives me bad vibes, because I feel sorry for them and figure they are probably in need of a friend, which has not worked out particularly well a few times. I also think I have that Jupiter luck for finding fantastic communities and groups of friends all the time, and even ones who are interested in collaborating on things that fit in with a lot of my long-term goals. Whoa! Detouring thread towards Jupiter/11th House too much. Excuse me! Though it's possible I'm getting Jupiter-type and Neptune-type idealism confused/mushed together a bit in here.

Rothilda T. 2008-02-16T20:41:51Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#fd7b6222-5622-450c-9a81-c9ad366d3240 2008-02-16T06:36:21Z 2008-02-16T06:36:21Z

interesting how we were born on the same day, only hours apart but almost completely opposite beginnings. gemini rules my 4th house, i grew up in foster homes, my father or mother wasn't around. i moved constantly, i never really got a feel for trusting people. yet i feel like i am continually optimistic, debilitatingly so. somehow i am realizing how complicated ideals are. lately i seem to be more experimental, maybe its all the transits, they are definitely fitting into what i feel is happening in my life in a strange way. but still going back to what jill said, i find it hard to make up my mind, a decision, its a triangle without a base. my neptune is in the 11th house, as is my jupiter. i crave a deep communion with a community or group of people. i have a hard time having fun at parties when i notice people left out, or someone i thought was friends with me, give me a blank stare and walk past me, i am really attached to the idealic notions of "brotherhood" and the whole mafia mentality. maybe you're right about the capricorn pessimisms. neptune is in its fall in capricorn right? i feel a tug, but maybe it will balance itself out one day?! my fingers are crossed.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T06:36:21Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#5b85e8ff-a8a2-4547-a94a-1c5bae4f6d06 2008-02-16T06:09:59Z 2008-02-16T06:09:59Z

jill........... Yuues. I utterly relate. one of my most favorite sayings by gertrude stein is "a circle of fine cardboard and a chance to see a tassel" i could live in a cave i think, living off little tuffs of grass, listening to my stomache im not sure i believe in astrology anymore though. i have sun square neptune. well, i dont know what i believe in. i feel/think and change variously. i think i make bad decisions if decisions at all. i can be very impulsive, maybe the aries in me. have you read about cusps before? our suns are both on cusps, ive heard some alarming things about them, and i have to say i relate to a lot of what is said. i often feel so out of balance, very oppositional . i read something schopenhauer wrote about porcupines that really fit how i feel "In Parerga und Paralipomena, published in 1851, Arthur Schopenhauer created a parable about the dilemma faced by porcupines in cold weather. He described a “company of porcupines” who “crowded themselves very close together one cold winter’s day so as to profit by one another’s warmth and so save themselves from being frozen to death. But soon they felt one another’s quills, which induced them to separate again.” And so on. The porcupines were “driven backwards and forwards from one trouble to the other,” until they found “a mean distance at which they could most tolerably exist.”

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-16T06:09:59Z Aunrea http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#acd21eb8-0688-4f5c-b359-78d924022348 2008-02-14T04:23:38Z 2008-02-14T04:23:38Z

Yes on both accounts. Hi all. I'm new. :) (Been lurking for months and found my astro twin in this thread, so I crawled out of my shell.)

Aunrea 2008-02-14T04:23:38Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#93b29b8a-fed3-48d6-9516-40cc4a47a4f1 2008-02-13T21:57:40Z 2008-02-13T21:57:40Z

>>>>>>> At times misrepresented or understood by others. >>>>>>> Definitely, yes. But I would say 2 things: (1) In my case it was more like "invisible to others" (2) Doesn't everyone feel misunderstood to some degree?

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-13T21:57:40Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#bcf7011b-af11-438f-ae24-bd2b2e31e98d 2008-02-13T21:56:16Z 2008-02-13T21:56:16Z

My father passed away before I reached the age of 30 (just this year). He traveled a lot for his work. He was often gone during the week and only saw us on weekends. He did not share his inner life of thoughts and feelings with us and I didn't even know how much money he made or what he ever did at work. He wouldn't tell us. I couldn't really connect to him emotionally and doubt the sincerity of the emotions he did display for various reasons. But I don't think I could say he was a disappointment over all. I think I was able to connect with and understand him more than many others in my family. He inspired me to get interested in math and science and I loved hearing him explain "how things work". I learned how to present all my ideas to him like a business proposal/ pitch and things like that. No drinking or drug problem as far as I know. Neptune for me is T-squaring my Nnode/Snode so ... maybe that makes the square more easy to turn towards beneficial ends somehow.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-13T21:56:16Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#ce1b61d7-28c7-4a05-8cf6-0eba62c0ae01 2008-02-13T15:08:46Z 2008-02-13T15:08:46Z

At times misrepresented or understood by others.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-13T15:08:46Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#ba271d1d-01cd-4ccd-9a07-d412d0c5ba5c 2008-02-13T15:07:06Z 2008-02-13T15:07:06Z

Alone in a crowd.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-13T15:07:06Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#271058a4-1569-4a97-97a0-ffba697eec49 2008-02-13T15:03:41Z 2008-02-13T15:03:41Z

sun square neptune -they escape the tribe memnership within a week of jioning?

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-13T15:03:41Z Anansi http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#d2c059e3-618b-474e-b939-65104821e9d9 2008-02-13T08:58:11Z 2008-02-13T08:58:11Z

*I find that many people with a Sun square Neptune natal aspect have had a very disappointing and/or absent father figure--and very often one that had a drinking or drug problem...does this resonate with anyone?* The past friend had an absent father and a drug addicted mother.

Anansi 2008-02-13T08:58:11Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#2d1b5e5b-01d1-4a15-b670-7b7767de54f4 2008-02-13T06:49:17Z 2008-02-13T06:49:17Z

That's what astrologyweekly says and they're good for descriptions.....but their slant is more on the serious and depressive side.

UranusinPisces 2008-02-13T06:49:17Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#2ec4f601-fffb-4323-a6ce-6cadc5197dba 2008-02-13T06:44:01Z 2008-02-13T06:44:01Z

Nope....father around a little too much. Only wished he was more absent when younger. Though I guess this not happening was very disappointing at times...lol.

UranusinPisces 2008-02-13T06:44:01Z Lawrence http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#17f16822-bb16-4b4e-8c32-a3e3f9592937 2008-02-13T06:25:32Z 2008-02-13T06:25:32Z

no, it applies more to the Sun (the father and the ego) squaring Neptune

Lawrence 2008-02-13T06:25:32Z Lady Saber http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#ed4f5d59-6e14-498f-8912-cc66719e0c91 2008-02-13T06:01:40Z 2008-02-13T06:01:40Z

I thought Saturn square Neptune has that effect?

Lady Saber 2008-02-13T06:01:40Z Lawrence http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#ab1e8b1a-500e-4c01-8971-0a0eb2990d2e 2008-02-13T05:55:24Z 2008-02-13T05:55:24Z

I find that many people with a Sun square Neptune natal aspect have had a very disappointing and/or absent father figure--and very often one that had a drinking or drug problem...does this resonate with anyone?

Lawrence 2008-02-13T05:55:24Z Anansi http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#f0b33574-3fd9-435f-ad3d-548a08dfeca7 2008-02-13T04:49:53Z 2008-02-13T04:49:53Z

*Maybe your friend is a guru and the Tower tarot card. I mean, everyone is entitled to their fantasies.* The ex-friend believes he is misfortuned because he was born on the March 16th. I remember that he did enjoy acting the "victim oh woe is me role." I got tired of it.

Anansi 2008-02-13T04:49:53Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#24642e1f-7aea-490a-8c72-5ab2ccc1e6bf 2008-02-13T02:45:42Z 2008-02-13T02:45:42Z

What's unrealistic about that? Seriously....I don't get it. ;-)

UranusinPisces 2008-02-13T02:45:42Z sherpa http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#a0514d00-d998-474e-a925-eb4e30d8ba81 2008-02-13T00:41:03Z 2008-02-13T00:41:03Z

Evin Maybe your friend is a guru and the Tower tarot card. I mean, everyone is entitled to their fantasies.

sherpa 2008-02-13T00:41:03Z Anansi http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#db7494ac-6bd4-497d-a8bc-3ce342854183 2008-02-13T00:38:19Z 2008-02-13T00:38:19Z

He believes he is a guru and he believes he is the tower tarot card.

Anansi 2008-02-13T00:38:19Z qasdafil http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#b325d29a-9717-42ba-ae50-be808f6c1c5f 2008-02-12T05:58:15Z 2008-02-12T05:58:15Z

how so evin?

qasdafil 2008-02-12T05:58:15Z Anansi http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#18856450-beee-43b0-9352-d30069f66913 2008-02-12T04:56:55Z 2008-02-12T04:56:55Z

A past friend had this aspect. He had Sun in Pisces in the 3rd house squaring Neptune in Sagittarius in the 1st house. He was definitely lost in his own unreality.

Anansi 2008-02-12T04:56:55Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#0ef9cb1c-dee0-41a2-946b-b3e0a1a7b402 2008-02-11T17:59:37Z 2008-02-11T17:59:37Z

7th house Sun in Pisces Square 4th house Neptune in Capricorn ( 3 degree orb). The answer to the first half of your question (even though you're not here anymore) is yes, but the Neptune in Cap part of me does want to my fantasies reality. I also think almost anything can become real and I've seen many supposedly impossible things happen and this has upheld my beliefs. Pi 34 said she got lost in a fantasy world when she was younger. For me it was like my ideas and fantasies of the world were the world-there was no other reality. Its crazy how much can be realize with a belief system like that, or at least what a person is given as an adult from that type of childhood. What was that Einstein said about geniuses and fairy tales? Neptune is conjunct Jupiter in Cap in my 4th so my upbringing, though instilled with way too much discipline and order, was also with just as much spirituality and "otherworldly" beliefs. The problems I have had seem to have stemmed from too much daydreaming about a certain thing I can't make a reality on my own: love, a partnership/relationship-which stems from my 7th house Pisces Sun. Since Neptune is the ruler of my 7th, fantasizing or pining over someone can really chip away at any Capricornian aspects of my emotional/fantasy nature, really putting things out of balanced. That just leads to me daydreaming all day, which can waste a lot of time. When I was younger that I would waste an entire year or give my total focus to fantasizing or pining over someone just because I'd get so absorbed-especially around puberty. You'd think it being in Cap that I'd be more grounded and maybe I actually was as grounded as I could get, but it being in my Sag 4th house probably added to the lack of grounding to the square (or maybe the Cap part was the reason I'd get so pessimistic about love).

UranusinPisces 2008-02-11T17:59:37Z ♪♪Catmeow♪♪ http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#2f00fe9e-1525-4b11-b2a8-90f010107121 2008-02-11T14:41:36Z 2008-02-11T14:41:36Z

I have Sun square Neptune but I'm pretty logical and grounded, so the fantasies get projected into something physical, like writing songs, a novel, etc....

♪♪Catmeow♪♪ 2008-02-11T14:41:36Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#b84f81bb-0987-4848-ace8-96148ff818a3 2008-02-11T05:41:20Z 2008-02-11T05:41:20Z

Ah - I can see the Square as conflict and the Trine as realization/fascillitation making sense, here, now that y'all mentioned it. Though it's still intriguing me that there is so much enjoyment in pure fantasy experienced with the Square! Hey, Pi! I do, in fact, have Mars Trine my Sun, as well. I think the Mars/Neptune conjunction can work both ways in terms of realization of dreams (whereas the Sun Trine perhaps is a fairly harmonious flow between my drives and my dreams), as it can make me put in effort to realize them, at times, but it can also make my energy weirdly dissipate or unfocus, at times, or I can have unrealistic goals I'm working for (ala Mars in Pisces). Hopefully that Capricorn and that Mars/Sun Trine help out, though...

Rothilda T. 2008-02-11T05:41:20Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#c1737bfe-0408-4c71-88d0-e406e22ee161 2008-02-11T03:47:00Z 2008-02-11T03:47:00Z

hmmm though i don't have sun square neptune..... maybe it has a bit to do with natal neptune in 3rd house sextile ascendant-- i also have sun parallel neptune :)

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-11T03:47:00Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#eb6d6a0e-ee1a-4da0-a316-ba8956b4f29e 2008-02-11T03:43:35Z 2008-02-11T03:43:35Z

libramoon, i always visualize what i am reading too... for stuff i have to read it helps me remember it & for stuff i read for enjoyment, well what's the point of reading if yah don't use your imagination... hey even when i get driving directions i usually visualize them before hitting the road.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-11T03:43:35Z libramoon http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#685053ab-5ec2-45de-ab96-f660ad8b09d8 2008-02-11T03:38:20Z 2008-02-11T03:38:20Z

just heard a commercial on the radio for teaching to read by combining right and left brain hemispheres to increase speed and comprehension by visualizing what you are reading. I don't know about you, but I visualize what I am reading whenever I am reading. Couldn't do it any other way.

libramoon 2008-02-11T03:38:20Z iggs http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#a4d3a188-bf27-4ba4-9c1a-22a9af9e4ad3 2008-02-11T00:29:51Z 2008-02-11T00:29:51Z

I don't know about the square but I have Sun conjunction Neptune in the 1st house in Sag within a third of a degree; loads of dreaminess, a noted lack of practicality, being able to easily be comfortable almost anywhere, accidental Chapel Perilous visitation, and an aloof absentee pops could be indicated by that.

iggs 2008-02-11T00:29:51Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#ac64ef0a-f4ba-44af-bf4d-b99ea1025729 2008-02-10T23:43:22Z 2008-02-10T23:43:22Z

I did have a tendency to hide in a fantasy world when I was younger. But it did get mostly beaten out of me by saturn ... and the beatings continue now during my saturn return with regard to so particular issue that I have been "submerging" most all of my life! Its good for me in the end ... really >.< I'd say that the sun square neptune is definitely challenging. But true to most square aspects, the potential exists for amazing breakthroughs if a person succeeds in working through the challenges.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-10T23:43:22Z qasdafil http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#f269f326-b7ca-4177-a714-2d190c3fee3b 2008-02-10T23:34:54Z 2008-02-10T23:34:54Z

yeah i think a lot of that has to do with the mars-neptune conjunction and putting action and work to your dreams and visions... sun square neptune has a debilitating effect in my opinion.. i would say it says that your dreams and visions are in conflict with your life energies - your ego energy- which is most often put into direction by your father or family.. and they continually make you feel a bit lost in terms of where you are going and how much of your direction this really is, or somebody elses... i think it can be very paralyzing

qasdafil 2008-02-10T23:34:54Z qasdafil http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#11657b97-4c89-415a-a228-d9ca0c79ab94 2008-02-10T23:30:33Z 2008-02-10T23:30:33Z

ohhh Pi314, you dont count if you have sun saturn opposition - those types are the complete opposite. you probably know how to discipline yourself. my saturn is unaspected and weak. (though it is the ruler of my ascendant) ... so i often feel like im in an ocean... escapism is big for me. i can't deal with judgment and personal attacks to my identity from those close to me. when judgment is cast, when the skepticism of my skills grows, i hide. i escape and i say "that doesnt matter" and live in a fantasy world that is always there for me. probably because my saturn is unaspected, at times it cant be unreasonably strong and i can super discipline myself for short periods of time.. and then i ride on my achievement at those points for even longer periods of time. escaping from the hard work and drudgery and cut throat competition - i think that is neptune.. and wanting to live in a peaceful, emotionally touching setting where your expression is free and uninhibited - i think that is neptune too. i think thats sun sq neptune playing out... when you "choose to retreat and embody certain energies in dreams instead of manifesting them in waking life. " i think its the same energy at play. anybody feeling neptune super strong today because of the sun-neptune conjunction in the sky?

qasdafil 2008-02-10T23:30:33Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#48b7bf95-73be-4959-8c52-d000f7ec62a3 2008-02-10T22:32:26Z 2008-02-10T22:32:26Z

Hi Rothilda! It sounds like that mars conjunct neptune drive to realize dreams is fascilitated pretty well with neptune trine sun. Do you also have mars trine sun?

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-10T22:32:26Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#8d45abc2-b4f1-4e06-93ae-1881127a5799 2008-02-10T22:30:43Z 2008-02-10T22:30:43Z

>>>>>>> Preferring to run away from confronting reality leads to distorted perceptions, which make careful evaluation of options difficult as well as generating fears of making decisions which may prove to be unwise. At its worst, this can create inertia through fear of taking deliberate action." >>>>>>> Maybe ... in some situations. I have some aspects that compete with this dimension of neptune square sun - in particular I have saturn opposing sun and saturn conujunct Nnode. This really drives me out of myself to take steps forward and face challenges. Also, mercury in aries H11 sextile gemini ascendant and sextile venus in H9 aquarius. This makes me easily able to communicate most ideas with others and not very shy about most things. Also, uranus Tsquare IC/MC gives me lots of original ideas about how to face challenges so that I have new options of facing them instead of hiding. But sometimes, I tactically choose to retreat and embody certain energies in dreams instead of manifesting them in waking life. I do this with certain types of energy that appear to be particularly dangerous. But more often, those types of energy are eventually creatively channeled into some kind of creative work. In the mean time it gets syphoned off into dreams (and prayer incidentally - neptune is in sagittarius) so it doesn't cause any disruptions/trouble.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-10T22:30:43Z Rothilda T. http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#83f38768-020d-4c8e-8cf7-4fd430bf206f 2008-02-10T21:05:38Z 2008-02-10T21:05:38Z

This is interesting. I have my Sun Trine Neptune, and I have a very active fantasy life, but I get extremely frustrated when things only live there, as I desperately want them to become reality. I'm not satisfied with just imagining, as much time as I spend doing it (and, certainly, for the time, enjoying doing it). I am surprised that the Square - which allegedly tends to encourage more work and effort and activity - seems, here, more content with keeping fantasy as fantasy, whereas the Trine (for me, at least) - which allgegedly is more passive, unaware consciously, and accepting of the merged energies of the planets in question, whether good or bad - is frustrated doing the same and not making the imagined into the tangible. Of course, I do have a lot of Earthy stuff, which wants tangibles and - probably even more significantly - my Neptune is conjunct my Capricorn Mars, which certainly wants tangible achievement.

Rothilda T. 2008-02-10T21:05:38Z qasdafil http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#572261a5-961b-45d1-afb8-fcf6202a0727 2008-02-10T21:00:51Z 2008-02-10T21:00:51Z

haha >And I would definitely agree with the original poster. If I were locked in a cell for 10 years with nothing but bread and water I think I could just live happily in my dreams. i often feel that too! here is something else i read about the neptune-sun square that i feel like is also right on, but in the bad way "Preferring to run away from confronting reality leads to distorted perceptions, which make careful evaluation of options difficult as well as generating fears of making decisions which may prove to be unwise. At its worst, this can create inertia through fear of taking deliberate action." so, so, so, so well said. can anybody relate?

qasdafil 2008-02-10T21:00:51Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#092e6029-a7ae-4486-9ffd-612b8a23583f 2008-02-10T19:12:43Z 2008-02-10T19:12:43Z

me too jill! I never thought of that as a sun square neptune effect but that makes sense! And I would definitely agree with the original poster. If I were locked in a cell for 10 years with nothing but bread and water I think I could just live happily in my dreams.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-10T19:12:43Z qasdafil http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#3b117831-9a17-4cf9-86cb-51d99f83f5a4 2008-02-10T17:16:52Z 2008-02-10T17:16:52Z

mhmm. i very much agree. i would also say, on the converse side, i get really affected by the stories people tell me. for instance, if someone tells me about something gross, i'll feel it - as if i'm there. if the story is a tragedy, i cant help but emphasize and am immediately sad. the imagination goes a long way.

qasdafil 2008-02-10T17:16:52Z UranusinPisces http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#8bb56def-005d-4167-b1a9-66b144815e9b 2007-01-04T00:24:26Z 2007-01-04T00:24:26Z

YUP. Right on the money.

UranusinPisces 2007-01-04T00:24:26Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#d9bb7f5b-b343-4bf8-9f20-efd9f2df97f5 2006-12-09T18:49:30Z 2006-12-09T18:49:30Z

I have a Sun Square Neptune aspect, but although I do have a rich fantasy life, I am also very logically grounded, so that pretty much keeps it in check. The fantasy comes out in writings (novel, songs, poems). So for me, it isn't that I don't need the physical manifestation. I prefer the physical.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-12-09T18:49:30Z libramoon http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#8389d3b4-048b-4d14-88ee-0640db71b4ab 2006-12-09T02:09:33Z 2006-12-09T02:09:33Z

My all time favorite short story is Sam Delany's "Starpit" in which I in this respect identify with the character Alegra. She is a broadcasting telepath, addicted (from birth) to a strong hallucinogen. In the story, those who visit her horrible hovel of a home only experience beautiful ever-changing visions, total sensual environments, of her mind. When she is dying, no longer able to project, it is of course a horrible filthy hell-hole. However, my visions are internal. They are projected upon my personal image of reality. I do try to projec them for others to see, but who knows what they actually experience.

libramoon 2006-12-09T02:09:33Z Robby http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#ec9a3660-1089-4bf2-9c14-2dd0f1392a70 2006-12-07T15:06:26Z 2006-12-07T15:06:26Z

With me, I have a very active imagination. I don't like watching scary movies because I tend to imagine that it would come to pass. My neptune is in the 8th house. I don't have nightmares, more like daymares where I daydream bad things kinda of like final destination themes. Weird I know. So I keep happy programs Tivo'd on my t.v. Sometime in certain situations I play out scenarios in my head before they happen. Sometimes I play the villian or the hero. I also read that Sun square Neptune tends to have an inferiority complex and can be very self-deprecating.

Robby 2006-12-07T15:06:26Z libramoon http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#b5cc1e32-9172-4c0a-bf33-4f8d46c9a841 2006-12-06T22:26:34Z 2006-12-06T22:26:34Z

Wow, I've recently been doing that food thing -- all those wonderful junk foods I can really, really, imagine eating them and it's just as if I was. Done that on occasion with the sex thing, too -- fantasizing about people I only know virtually. It really is a convenience, not having to actually deal with the repercussions.

libramoon 2006-12-06T22:26:34Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#b9599fbb-268c-40f0-8c38-4345236bd037 2006-12-06T08:14:23Z 2006-12-06T08:14:23Z

Ah, yes...and I turn mine into fiction. Isn't it exquisite when you draw that energy through you--totally oblivious to anything in the temporal realm? Such a delicious challenge to turn that into meaningful language, isn't it? :-) But what I'm really looking for are examples where one can live inside their head really, really well, without necessarily requiring it to move into the "real" world. For instance, I find that I can fantasize about, say, having sex with a particular man and it can be so satisfying that I don't necessarily feel the need to ensure it comes about (though I would certainly like it to!). Another example would be when I was on a diet recently: I found that if there was something I wanted to eat that didn't fall within my diet parameters, I could enjoy watching someone else eat it and feel the craving go away; I would even ask them to describe how it tasted, and that added greatly to the experience (I was told by many that this made me very strange, which wasn't exactly novel, nor surprising ;-) ). Do you find that type of "living in your mind" to be true of you as well? Anyone? Joy to all, BBP

$item.owner.firstName 2006-12-06T08:14:23Z libramoon http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#5de0d05b-6642-4a67-ace3-b64347ac33e1 2006-12-06T06:53:28Z 2006-12-06T06:53:28Z

Well, I do bring them into poetic manifestation.

libramoon 2006-12-06T06:53:28Z $item.owner.firstName http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/31b5fd66-f197-4a0e-b424-8e38844bd97f#f7719878-f88f-4eda-adb3-13845e5650ef 2006-12-06T06:40:42Z 2006-12-06T06:40:42Z

Greetings, all! I'm curious: Does anyone else who has Sun square Neptune in their natal charts find that, not only are they given to a very rich fantasy life, but that the fantasies alone are so satisfying that they need not bring them into physical manifestation? Joy to all-- BBP

$item.owner.firstName 2006-12-06T06:40:42Z