How should I communicate with him when he retreats? If I call he won't answer the phone. If I send him a text message he won't respond. Should I just leave him alone? Send him messages like "miss you", "thinking of you", "hope your doing okay". Will this just irritate him? Should I send these messages everyday until he comes out of hiding or just send 1 message and leave him alone?
This man has told me he loves me and i'm his future. What can I do to make him feel secure with me? He told me he hasn't opened up to anyone like he's opened up to me but yet he still retreats. I don't think he's ever lied to me but I believe he is very secretive. I don't want to smother him or make him feel overhwhelmed. I sent him a nice long email professing my feelings for him because I thought it was only fair that he knows how i feel since he put his heart out there for me. I just want us to feel secure with each other and I'm not sure how to accomplish that. I'm not one to put my heart out there but for him I will and I told him that.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
This man has told me he loves me and i'm his future. What can I do to make him feel secure with me? He told me he hasn't opened up to anyone like he's opened up to me but yet he still retreats. I don't think he's ever lied to me but I believe he is very secretive. I don't want to smother him or make him feel overhwhelmed. I sent him a nice long email professing my feelings for him because I thought it was only fair that he knows how i feel since he put his heart out there for me. I just want us to feel secure with each other and I'm not sure how to accomplish that. I'm not one to put my heart out there but for him I will and I told him that.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 7:40 AMY'mama,
Do what is from the heart he'll say if its too much or retreat more-just don't over kill in the times when he does retreats with a lot of self & couple worries, talk ,and questions and it "could" feel like pressuring maybe not depends on other things in the chart.
Many cancers retreat so leave him to it -don't take it to mean something personal that only adds pressure and invades his shell .
It is part of the personality, cancers are not so secrative as they are quiet and a little private (sometimes or at times )-he''ll share and if you want more sharing you have to learn to read his non verbal lingo too and be there for him but accept his personality as it is .
It kind of difficult to explain , I have a Pisces moon so I read all level of people and there are times where it is like you have to be energetically paralle like children who play side by side but are not interplaying be there in the connection but don't step in without a lead to . You can always do something for him -give him something sentimental it can be anything which has a meaning to your or him.
Cancer signs are so very appreciative -I have a girlfriend from highschool who still has a sketch i drew of her on one of my graded school papers.
It doesn't sound like the relationship is rocky other than its new and you are still learning each other .
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 9:44 AMI'm not a man, but as a Cancer... sometimes we need to retreat, but it's still good to know that you're there, and I'm sure your email was very appreciated. Sometimes it's a security issue, and being abandoned is very unsavory. At least for me, when I do trust someone and say more to them about myself than I do others, I become suddenly afraid of losing them, and hide (you'd think that would keep us from hiding... but it doesn't, which can make us feel guilty and even more afraid. It's a complex issue, I suppose). Don't try to force him out, but make sure he knows you're still standing outside the door. He'll come around on his own when he's more sure of himself, and if you're there waiting for him, he will most likely trust you more (never take cancer's trust issue terribly personally, it is in themselves) and be less prone to hiding from you in the future... though, sometimes cancers need to be alone just to have a nice visit with themselves.
Other cancers I've met are also like this... one girl is Miss Super Cancer... cancer sun, mars, ascendant, and two outer planets in the sign... and she works this way to the extreme... cancer's can be quite the handful sometimes, but if your patient with them when they get into their moods they will reward you with all the TLC in the world. ooh!
Yeah, that's a lot of assumptions of course, but there is my advice.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 9:56 AMYoMama
My advice is to yield, not push.
Cancer's rhythms move with slower, deeper currents than the fleet-footed archer.
The anxiety you may be feeling in this circumstance may be nothing less than your own resistance to letting go of control and surrendering to the situation. Try letting the situation be the boss for awhile. You have nothing to lose except your dreaded anxiety and you may also grow and learn from the experience. And who knows ? This Cancer may feel a new softening in you and come around more often. -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 1:56 PMSo basically i just need to exhale....:)
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 6:54 PMSherpa,
I just really wanted to say thank you for your advice. I took your advice to heart and it really spoke to my Sagittarian philosophical side and made so much sense. I was feeling a lot of self inflicted anxiety and decided to just let things be as they will. In the end it worked out great. The Cancer and I have developed our own "relationship rhythm" if you will and we are making plans for the future. I know sometimes people come on here ranting and raving and I really wanted to let you know that your advice was not in vain and it made a big difference in how I handled this situation and led me to the ending i wanted in the first place.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 10:09 AMI'm married to a cancer man and my recomendation is to give him space if he needs it....don't push what you want/need over what he is telling you by retreating. He will come back to you when he is good and ready...it's difficult if not impossible to push a cancer into doing what they don't want to or are not ready to with out further irritating them. Cancers are deep creatures (cantankerous?) and need time to sort things out by themselves and they are definitly worth the wait!
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 1:24 PMBeing married to a Cancer and living in the same home what does he do when he retreats? Does he ignore you? Lock himself in a room for days? How do you deal with his mood swings? -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 4:25 PM"what does he do when he retreats?"
he (cancer sun, taurus moon, pisces rising) takes things apart in the garage and puts them back together...that's what he does to de-stress...he will focus his energy in another direction. i'm good at reading him (7 years together) so i know when to just leave him be or maybe give him a hug in silence or a kiss on the forehead and then leave him be. we had a REALLY difficult time in the beginning because i tend to be blunt and immediate (leo sun, aries moon, virgo rising)...didn't go over so well with the crab. i learned to rephrase things so they wern't so seemingly caustic to him and i had to realize that he needed his time and that it wasn't a rejection of me or our relationship. i also realized that when he stated something that sounded definite that it wasn't always, he changes his opinion more that i tend to which was hard for me to understand.
mood swings - i can't say i don't have a fare share of my own....i listen to him when he needs to talk and let him dismantle various small engines in the garage in peace. i try to find something good for him to eat (he loves good food). i try to lighten the mood with pure sillyness..... ; ) -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 4:36 PMMy guy has cancer sun, taurus moon, aries rising. Do they ever bend or compromise to your needs? Yes I am learning to soften my bluntless. I have had a lot of practice with my 6 year old daughter (virgo sun). He and I have a lot of learning to do about each other. I guess I need to figure out if this retreat thing is something I can deal with long term.
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 7:05 PMLyla,
I wanted to thank you for your advice in particular the part about how you learned to rephrase things so they weren't so stinging to him (this has worked wonders) and to not take his withdrawal as a rejection of me and to basically not take it personally. I absolutely took your advice and boy it sure did work. When he would withdraw I would just leave him alone and wait...and then boom he would call or text me and it's like me not bugging him brings him closer to me. I am so understanding that so much more now. Then once I started thinking about how I am (Cancer Moon) I realised that i withdrew from people as well and when i thought about how I withdrew and it wasn't anything personal against anyone it's just that i needed time to recharge my brain or get organized with things in my life it just opened up a whole new perspective for me regarding my Cancer. I have learned that his crabby mood is just that...HIS crabby mood and I don't have to take on his mood all I have to do is allow him to have his mood and not take it personal and keep the lines of communication open.
Well I just wanted you to know that I did hear what you were saying and it really helped me deal with my Cancer. So from 1 fire sign (Sag) to another I really thank you.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:02 PMcancer men can be very immature about their feelings and passive/aggressive in a punishing controlling way also..
(c'mon ladies you know what that is all about, right? - hehe)
your disclosure reassures him and also scares him because now he has to responsible for his feelings AND yours -- Cancer is an immature sign, like an awkward teenager - opposite the mature adult, Capricorn. Cancers know the changeability of the emotions, including their own. It was nice to dream about your love, romanticize it - but now that he has it ,,. UH OH! ,, now what?! -
Let him alone to brood and remember this - never chase him or initiate with him or you will tempt this foolish game that you BOTH are playing.
You need to be transformed (8th house) by love and sensitivity - meaning selfless love not the "reciprocate my feelings now that i have told you how i feel", type of love. He needs to serve (6th house) - meaning "there is a larger purpose to life beyond my emotions", type of service - I assume you are Sag.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:12 PMyeah, i don't get the 6th/8th house association either. when Cancer rules the 6th house of service, the 8th house of death/rebirth is ruled by Virgo (and the ASC, Aquarius). maybe he means the 1/8, where Saggitarius rules the 1st House and Cancer the 8th.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:18 PMare we talking about a sag woman and cancer man?
the signs are 6/8 from each other
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 4:05 PMYes we are talking about a Sag woman and a Cancer man.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:14 PMA few more things.
You must make him be accountable, but in a gentle way - like with a child. This is your challenge, fire sign woman. To express something that bothers you without hostility and aggression - in a pleasant, loving way - without criticism and accusation of "what he DID TO YOU." State your feelings, do not blame or accuse or he will be gone.
Your patience, love and emotional integrity will open his heart, not you "being a strong woman" and "not taking shit",.. etc.
he is probably as or more emotionally attuned than you and will know when you are operating through anger. if you come at him with anger, he will kick your ass.
A Cancer man will try your patience like no other, but he will also be patient, loyal and devoted like no other.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:16 PMYes I am a Sag. How do they handle it when the tables are turned and I was to retreat? Would I be looked upon as being selfish or do they just accept it? He hasn't read the email where I told him how i felt. (gotta love AOL read receipts) -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:27 PMFor the most part though, you have to realize - Sun sign relationship astrology is dicey at best.
The Moons are the most important planets in relationship astrology - referring to what we are the most comfortable with.
"Yes I am a Sag. How do they handle it when the tables are turned and I was to retreat?"
Men love to chase. All men - even wimpy Cancers. When you chase him it puts him in the feminine role and you in the ,masculine role.. Do you like having to put forth the energy to maintain a relationship? If that is what you want, then keep chasing him.
More likely you are afraid to be receptive so you find men like this or you turn relationships into this, with you in the assertive role - so you do not have to be in a vulnerable position. A powerful man ready to wipe out that game, scares you away.
Assess your moon for this fear of receptivity.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 1:32 PMHis Moon: Taurus
My Moon: Gemini
I am looking for information about this.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:17 PMYes I am a Sag. How would lthey handle it if the tables were turned and I were to retreat? Would I be looked upon as being selfish and scolded? -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:36 PMYa mama ,
I might question your motive more than the cancer sorry because it is his nature to do that and more than likley he did it before he met you. When a cancer retreats it is not being done unto you as a means to punish or a game . He needs his nest or space as a Jupiter person might say, which is strange because independence isn't the root of it. It is a coping, do you want him sick or crazy? It is easier to just accept it as his way of recuperating because it has nothing to do with you. He doesn't want to hurt you by his actions. Do you want to see the grumpy quirming crab drying out from too much exposure? If so keep making it about him doing something unto you . The bigger deal that is made about it the further he will run and the deeper he will retreat in hs shell infacr he''ll bury sand around it-In time he will be more used to the relationship and you will wish he would retreat more often .
Give it some time -do some things for yourself while he is in his shell -you know where he is hiding .
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:41 PMI am more of a communicator and if he needed space I just wish he would have said so. I can handle anything as long as the communication is open. He asked me not to shut him out and to keep the lines of communication open and I asked him if he could do the same and he said yes. I am learning alot about him going through this though. -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 1:13 PMI kind of get the feeling you want us to give a certain answer that you've already decided is right. If you've already decided, go with it. If you feel you need to back away, go ahead. If he protests, say what you just said here. Just try to keep your mind open at the same time, which, being a sag, you're probably pretty good at.
hehe... I read recently about how sagittarians experience upsetting things... they go right to "what they learned" from it and forget the actual experience of it, idealizing difficult feelings by assigning them a more high-minded purpose. The way you wrote "I am learning a lot about.." reminds me of that mentality. Cancers are all about what they experience emotionally, you know, the whole "I feel" thing, so you could learn a lot from this guy, I'm sure, sun signs considered... if you two could get those lines of communication in sync. Hm.. I wonder what mercury is doing...
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 10:55 AMI just read up on passive/aggressive behavior and it sounds just like the description of Cancer behavior. How do you tell the difference between something just being a passive/aggressive behavior OR it just being part of the Cancer nature?
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 7:48 PMSadasiva,
I wanted to thank you for your advice especially the part about not chasing him and letting him initiate and also the part about selfless love. I hardly ever called this man and would basically let him call me or text me and then I would return his calls and texts and eventually he would say something like well call me sometimes and so i eventually i would intiate a text or a call but to this day I don't initiate often because he keeps in touch regularly now and it seems to be working fine that way. If he doesn't feel like talking he will tell me...wow such progress!
I even send him a text message every once in a while to say i miss him and the best part is i have no expectations to get a message in return because I know he feels the same way without needing a response....hence selfless love. Before I would have gotten a 'tude and been like dang he could have at least said he missed me to.
So I wanted to thank you for your advice and I really put it into action and things worked out.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:54 PMYou have to keep to the subject matter. Nothing trivial such as questioning or meeting and greeting. You have to give him the information he needs to stay secure or never speak to him again.
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:56 PMGive him the specific information he needs to feel secure with you. No high pitched, what, why or who questions nor playing with manners anymore. Do this or never call again. -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 12:59 PMThat's just it. I'm not sure what information he needs to feel secure with me. Can you give me some specifics?
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 1:11 PMyes, that would be irritating. you should assure him of what he is to you and let him decide if it will work. try not to question or do any well-wishing.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 3:17 PMHe reads them.... Don't be fooled lol....
To get him out of his shell.... Form ritualistic hobbies..... Like going to the movies every monday... Having alone time every thursday.... stuff like that.... -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 3:20 PMLook at how the Moon works... to understand Cancer..... 7 days per each phase, 4 main phases....28 days to complete a phase...
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 3:28 PMJust for a symbolism example....
Jupiter is exalted in Cancer..... The Moon is a timing tool. If you go read the Farmers Almanac, it is based off the Moon...
It is usally colder in the daytime if the Moon is New... opposed to Moon being Full even..
There is even certian things to do under different Moon phases...Like it is best to get your hair cut, just before the full moon, because the light is decending to promote hair growth....
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 3:33 PMlets not forget that bloody eclipse.
heh, blood... red moon. I'm funny.
I wonder how the eclipse may be effecting your cancerian, yamama. could be interesting to research for more understanding of astrology, if not enlightening for his behavior. -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 4:13 PMAnd when his retreat is over and he contacts me am I supposed to just act like nothing happened? Not ask him where he's been and what has been going on with him? -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 5:20 PMWell only advice I can give.... ever told the Cancer this bothers you? Sometimes people can't see things that happen right in front of their faces...
All I am saying... is you got to start a pattern stucture with Cancers....We like rituals... that retreat would fall into a pattern.... -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 6:33 PMI told him in an email i sent him but he hasn't read it yet. I hope I wasn't too harsh in my email. I tried my best to sound diplomatic without placing blame. -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 7:05 PMI'm not sure the significance of it, but I'm a Cancer rising and I've been told I can be damn impossible to date. However, I've always been attracted to real "type A" guys. My bf now is a total Aries ram--and boy, do we clash sometimes. Actually, it's more like he gets all "this is what I want and how I want it" with his needs and I just sink into myself. The problem always was, he mistook the retreating as insulting/denying his importance/being dismissive. My point is, I guess perhaps it's a problem on both parts. Sure, I could've NOT retreated so much. It IS pretty immature because I look back at ex's and I see that alot of times I felt an "emotional spotlight" put on me by my partner, it was like I ran into my house and hid. It's not unfair, to an extent I guess, to say Cancers need to get over themselves, but then again you can say the same for the raging fire signs who think assertive is the only emotion worth valuing.
My advice YaMama, you are gonna have to slow your roll with him. But first, evaluate if that's what you want. I mean, it took my bf years literally to find his rhythm with me (and vice versa). Evaluate what parts of your personality you think you are capable of giving--and giving up--for this relationship (and how much he'll do the same). Because relationships are about compromise, right?
But in the meantime, yeah just take it slower. And don't mistake his retreating for insults. That's my take as a Cancer rising, not a real Cancer so take it for whatcha want. -
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Tue, September 4, 2007 - 8:31 PMCancer here..
{It kind of difficult to explain , I have a Pisces moon so I read all level of people and there are times where it is like you have to be energetically paralle like children who play side by side but are not interplaying.}..
Hey Cat..not bad, not bad at all..
Everyone has a rhythm of energy level. I like times, not just w/ lovers, but loved ones, to be able to spend hours around each other and not really interact at all, other than connective-ness of those rhythms.. And I’m Very aware of them…
And yes our need to clime in our shells for quiet.. I think sometimes to just allow our process, to…..process.
And we don’t..ok, I don’t trust very easily, takes a while to establish. Any games, or pressure will halt any progress in this dept..and too many may loose it all together. This is true to some extent for everybody in their own way..
I have to agree with most of what was said here…
Flowing Water…..the key to a Cancers heart..
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 7:51 AMI think Sadasiva gave excellent advice! Not all Cancers are the same. Sure, a little moodiness can be understood. He's probably being on his best behavior while you're dating, but what happens when he starts getting used to expecting you to stick around and putting up with his b.s.? I've btdt, and think his behavior should be a red flag. I'm Sag rising and I dated a Cancer/Sag rising (Jupiter exalted in Cancer lol) that "retreated" every eclipse for days and weeks at at time, was very affected by the Moon, very moody. What would he get so upset about that he would retreat? Over nothing. As it turned out, he had a very nasty temper that he didn't want me to see, so he would storm off and not call until he cooled down. Ask yourself what your guy gets so upset about that he retreats for days at a time and won't return your calls? Do you think that you did something to deserve that? Do you think that's normal? Don't make excuses for him because he's a Cancer and so that makes his behavior okay. That is passive/aggressive, controlling behavior. He's punishing you. I think it shows he needs to learn how to deal with his anger. It's hard to have a relationship with someone who doesn't know how to express those feelings in a normal way. Good luck with it. He's probably a fabulous guy the rest of the time. -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 3:19 PMI just did a lot of reading no passive/aggressive behavior. I just can't figure how to tell if it's the passive/aggressive behavior or is it the Cancer going into his shell? Are there any passive/aggressive people out there willing to share what they do and how people should deal with them? -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 3:25 PMI'd say almost posting on this tribe exhibits some form of passive/aggressive behavior, though many of us would never admit it. Passive agressive behavior can be so UnCool. Good luck with this. By the way, it still seems that you think the problem is within the Cancer person. I wonder why Sagittarians make such adepts of self-denial ? -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 3:52 PMyeah... best thing to do is tell them to stop it. we may not like it... I know I wouldn't, but at least we're forced to admit we're doing it. heh.
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 5:15 PM"How should I communicate with him when he retreats? If I call he won't answer the phone. If I send him a text message he won't respond. Should I just leave him alone? Send him messages like "miss you", "thinking of you", "hope your doing okay". Will this just irritate him? Should I send these messages everyday until he comes out of hiding or just send 1 message and leave him alone?"
Depends on his Moon. One message would be enough to show you care for some Moons. Some Moons would be okay with messages every day, some would be irritated by frequent messages.
"This man has told me he loves me and i'm his future. What can I do to make him feel secure with me? He told me he hasn't opened up to anyone like he's opened up to me but yet he still retreats."
It's not about feeling insecure. He's having a quiet tantrum. Something set him off, and he's feeling like a victim. When he's so caught up in his emotions, you can't rationalize with him. It takes time for him to process his emotions. An outside force can make him snap out of it quickly. Like hearing about a family death could put things in perspective and make him call you.
"I don't think he's ever lied to me but I believe he is very secretive."
You mean like why he won't talk or something else?
"I don't want to smother him or make him feel overhwhelmed. I sent him a nice long email professing my feelings for him because I thought it was only fair that he knows how i feel since he put his heart out there for me. I just want us to feel secure with each other and I'm not sure how to accomplish that. I'm not one to put my heart out there but for him I will and I told him that."
Overwhelmed is a good description. He probably took something way too personally and is feeling overwhelmed when he retreats. After he's talking to you again, wait a few weeks and ask him about it and what you should do next time. It will be easier for him to talk openly about it after you're back together and he's in a good mood. -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 6:06 PMHis Moon is Taurus. Not sure what that means though. I think something has set him off but it has nothing to do with me. We didn't have an argument or anything. We've never fought. I think he's secretive about not telling me what set hiim off. It's like he doesn't want me to see that side of him so instead of letting me see it or hear his anger he won't communicate with me. -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 7:30 PM"His Moon is Taurus. Not sure what that means though."
What kind of aspects does it make? What house is it in?
"I think something has set him off but it has nothing to do with me."
It could be an accumulation of things through the years. Who knows!
"We didn't have an argument or anything. We've never fought. I think he's secretive about not telling me what set hiim off. It's like he doesn't want me to see that side of him so instead of letting me see it or hear his anger he won't communicate with me."
That's what I think too, but the only way to know for sure is to ask him yourself later. I don't know how many days he's been hiding out, but he's not able to communicate with you yet for some reason. Maybe he doesn't want to cry in front of you or can't cry and so gets angry instead. He might realize that whatever is so important to him isn't important to others and be embarrassed about not being able to control his emotions over such a small or petty thing - whatever it may be. He's being very protective of himself. The thing that is so difficult is not knowing, so you end up having to walk on eggshells until you find out what is going on and putting a lot of emotional energy into the drama, losing sleep, etc.
A woman I know was married to a Cancer man, and he got mad at her and wouldn't take her calls, so she ended up taping a message and sending it to him. 2 yrs after their divorce he was still listening to her tape, digesting and processing it. He would ask friends to listen to the tape with him and get their opinions, but he wouldn't discuss it with her. -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 7:40 PMI don't know much about astrology and the aspects and houses and all that stuff. Our charts are in my photo section if you want to take a look. I don't know his nor my birth time so the charts I guess are not that accurate. -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 8:03 PMYeah, the charts wouldn't be accurate, but you can still tell a lot.
Well, you're going through this during an eclipse season. There was a lunar (Full Moon) eclipse Aug 28, and there is a solar (New Moon) eclipse next Tuesday. I'll bet you that a good time to contact him again would be sometime next week after the eclipse. A New Moon is a good time to start something. Best wishes to you.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Thu, September 6, 2007 - 6:29 AMWhy do you want to live like this with an invisible man? It's not going to get better unless he is open to working on his communication skills. It's not a cancer thing necessarily, I have experienced other signs who act like that too. A lot of times it has to do with a dysfunctional upbringing or the fact that he does not value your relationship with him. I would leave him alone and then would tell him how you feel after he returns. See how he reacts. If he doesn't apologize, show any empathy, or want to change, then you have to ask yourself why you would want to be in a relationship with someone you can't count on, someone who is not reliable? Is it really worth the heartache and second guessing of yourself. If you had to experience this type of behavior for years and years, wouldn't it wear on your self-esteem, wouldn't it feel toxic? There is one thing to need space, but it is important for him to communicate that need to you so you understand. However, him not answering a simple text message is a red flag if you ask me.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 5:48 PMThe miss you thinking of you text are good for me as long as they are sincere. The hope everything is ok is not good at all. Its good if its about a serious crisis someone else is having but not me. I'm an optimist and asking that about me makes me think you have some doubts. I trust myself and do a lot better when someone believes and has confidence in me. Send one of the two messages and wait for his reply. If he loves you and believes you are his future he should reply. I would definitely. It takes a lot for a Cancer man to express what he did to you. We protect are hearts with are strong shells. So when its out there we become sensitive to the reaction. Its a great thing when a Cancer man gives his heart and devotion to a women. Its all love from there on. Maybe he has not checked his emails or is actually afraid of whats in it. But if you send him the text he will realize that the email is good. Thats me and my opinion...
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 6:12 PMHe actually did read the email today. I haven't heard from him yet. It's hard because he wants someone to understand him but then he won't let anyone close enough to him to understand him. It's like I'm supposed to already know and he assumes that I just know somehow what's going on and how to deal with him. It's like a yo-yo. He brings you in and when things get crazy he kicks you out and then expects me to be there for him when he feels like it. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 6:25 PMThats immature of him. Maybe you should tell him that he is acting this way. Personally I don't mind when a women takes control of a situation and lets me know that i'm not acting right. Put him in his place and challenge him to treat you better. He just read the email so you should wait to here from him before you do that. Wait a good day or two if he doesn’t contact you send him a text to assure him that you care. If he stays immature towards you then tell him..
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Wed, September 5, 2007 - 7:58 PM"...It's hard because he wants someone to understand him but then he won't let anyone close enough to him to understand him. It's like I'm supposed to already know and he assumes that I just know somehow what's going on and how to deal with him."
That is so true that it's like you're "supposed to know."
"It's like a yo-yo. He brings you in and when things get crazy he kicks you out and then expects me to be there for him when he feels like it."
You just have to be in the moment and take it one day at a time if there is a lot of moodiness because the feelings can change dramatically and then change back again. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Thu, September 6, 2007 - 8:13 AMIt sounds like you are doing all the work to keep this relationship together. Relationships that are successful are mutually reciprical with both parties continually working to keep it together. Otherwise they don't work. Find out what his goals are and see if you are on the same wavelength. You can't force people to change or for them to want to be with you by making everything easy for them and doing all the work. If he values you, he will make an effort. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 7, 2007 - 3:03 PMYes, that is a tricky one and unless there has been a major change and gameboy has come out of his funky mood, you should maybe quit while you are ahead of the game before your bright fire is put out by this, especially if you are above-board in your feelings and your counterpart isn't, at best lost in his.
And your Sag fire burns especially bright.
Fire and water do not have a good reputation of mingling together and guess which one puts out the other.
There is a possibility that he knows that already.
Also, what is given freely sometimes has no value for people. If you are lucky, this one will let you get away.
Unless it is a test in which case you simply get yourself another turn to get skewered again.
Can you live with a moody withdrawn person if he gets serious about you?
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sat, September 8, 2007 - 8:26 AMAnd in parting,
You really must read up on the Cancer sign description on this one. Such people need time alone and are very moody, following moon cycle. They can also be very immature and childish while totally uncaring about your feelings.You are in deep waters here...
Being secretive is fine too as every person has a need for a private space and he does not have another family elsewhere, not likely though some Cancer males are known for collecting adventures along the way, returning to their main squeeze and getting booted out, ...well according to the book.
You just won't be invited into the reclusive cycle. That could be news to your Sag expansive nature. You could be meeting your opposite.
You also have to see if other aspects of your charts are attuned. Where is your moon, your natural emotional barometer? If there are many mingling positive influence it can be an expanding relationship for both partners if there is a common goal of making it work but if there is too much difference it just won't.
I also read somewhere that they need to be reassured on the validity of your feelings and sure of where you stand. That could also be what is going on if the person has not withdrawned.
If you are not compatible, you could find it hard to get closure. Cancer sticks and shows up again and again - sometimes out os nostalgia and sometimes because it is not working elesewhere and they are testing their security with you.
I know a lot about the sign. I am an AriesSun/Pisces Moon and of Gemini rising and Cancer myself. I attract (or am attracted?) them like crazy and do not even bother asking their sign anymore.
However, it has never worked and they simply seem bent on creating as much emotional havock and destruction as they can in my life. I never got the protective/responsible aspect that sign is supposedly known for.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 5:43 AMCancer is a mortal disease that gets under your skin and eats you out. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 6:19 AMI have been surounded by Air/Fire signs all my life Ariadne... and I got 5 planets in Water, 4 in Earth... why is that? -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 2:29 PMOpposites attract....a lot of problems?
Actually, it can work well depending on the mitigating elements. It can be interesting. You see Sherpa actually posted a nice picture of himself today.
I mean that your family is karmic... and right now you are all in this learning situation together by yourselves. But it can be fine and fun. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 2:37 PM"Cancer is a mortal disease that gets under your skin and eats you out."
Hummmm...sounds fun...LOL....
just leave out the "mortal disease" part....
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 3:45 PMYes.... Got 2 Sag parents, Leo sister, Aries Brother.... Bunches of colorful Geminis as friends...
I run into alot of Aquarians, Sagittarians, Aries, and Geminis. I tend to notice that sometimes I just don't seem to relate to these water sign people too well...
Only if they have 5 planets in Water like myself.... Hard to explain....
I start diggin though the charts of the people who were always close to me.... There seems to be an extreme on Air/Fire... yet lack of Earth/Water...
So it makes me wonder... If maybe this isn't a yin/yangish kind of world... if you really don't deal with the other side... -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 6:03 PMSome water signs are hard on the system.
If their feelings are not engaged there is no there there and they can be cold and detached as ice. If their feelings are engaged, then it is only about their feelings and they don't care one iota about other's. Very egocentric and blind to their stuff.
At least you get warmth from the fire sign and less games and more genuiness.
Air is the mental element so it is very interesting.
Sorry water signs... maybe I've been relating with the wrong kind and not everyone is the same but this has been my experience.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:55 PMCancer sun here.
We are not so much secretive as we are careful about expressing strong emotions. We all need time alone no matter how strongly we are emotionally bound to people. You have to respect that. We are a moody lot, and often seem hard to understand for the air and fire signs.
Earth responds better to the cancer energy.
Speaking only for myself, I love it when someone I like comes along and pulls me out of my shell. It means they care. I treasure those moments -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 6:09 PMPhil,
Tell me some of the things i can specifically do or say to pull a cancer man out of his shell. This is just someone I am dating...we don't live together. Our only lines of communication is email, phone, and text messaging. He says that something happened in his life that he doesn't want to taint me with. How do I express and make him understand that no matter what's going on we still need to communicate? I give him space...i'll go days and even a week without contacting him and he usually won't let a week go by without contacting me. I am patient with him and i choose my words carefully but communication to me is essential. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 8:48 PMphil,
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 9:16 PM"no one knows their still discussing it"
Well I'm not phil, but I'm a Cancer sun..Simply from fear. We may seem soft, but inside is ALOT of emotion. I think scorpio have a hard time also w/ this all water signs for that matter. For a more earth fire or air sign. these are either something more solid, intelectual, or expessive. Most water signs I know have floods w/ gates... I for one have a Gem moon. I can be humorious, or anilitical with my emotions, but for real honest down and dirty deap emotions, It's Really needs alot of trust to let out.
I also feel Cancer is all about emotional Memory, in the heart not the mind. all those feelings are right there, somewhat instant recall if you were. We should all have signs saying, "fragle handle with care" but we don't like to be known as such either... "I Am Not Fragle" !!!, but I really sorta am... -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 9:19 PMhuh thats weird nix that "no one knows......"
from another post...cut paste must have done something weird. I pasted the last post.. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 6:36 AMAnd the proof of the pudding
"....A self-aware fire sign, however, is one of the best partners anyone could ask for! So, keep an eye out for a Leo whose desire to please matches his need for the spotlight. An Aries who gives you your way even when they'd rather do something else and a Sag who agrees to disagree rather than forcing you to see their point. All of these are signs that your Fire sign love will sizzle, but not combust!!"
From K.S. Smith
Ditch and get someone else to light your fire. In my experience, Cancer is no protector but a lot of problem. They also have an eye out for profit at other's expense and energetically can suck the living daylight out of you.
After all, they are the baby of the zodiac and the sign of emerging soul and that is O.K. if you want to play mommy for the rest of your life.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 9:25 AMsomeone mentioned Cancer's have excellent emotional memory. I can't agree more! My bf is a Cancer Moon and that boy can remember even the slightest detail of a moment years later. If there was any amount of emotion invested in it on his behalf--he remembers it. He'll bring up something and I'm like "what? how do you even remember that?"
I haven't had good dealings with Scorpios but I guess that's because it's like looking in a mirror? Granted, I'm only a Cancer rising, but I feel like my emotions are all water. My sister is a Scorpio Sun and I sometimes notice that she also has the same problem I have of stemming the tides, shall we say. I think, Ariadne that perhaps Scorp and Canc have so much emotion and they just don't know what to do with it. I guess it's "baby" in a way because they forever never seem to figure out what to do with it. I've known a few Cancers who you could call opportunistic, but only in the most innocent way: they felt an emotional pull for something they wanted and went straight after it without thought or concern with implications or affects on anyone else. This is pretty much how a child operates, I guess.
I just think, you can't totally judge a person based on one aspect of his chart. And there are plenty people out there (like my Scorpio brother who is basically a Gemini in water) who defy all astrological logic. Still, it helps to know the typical Cancerian qualities b4 getting with a Cancer, and if you think your game for it--go for it. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 2:49 PMThat emotional memory thing is accurate and a real kicker. However, it only works for the person's memory and it also gets distorted. It also records the slighest slight, real or imaginery and plays at making you guess and pay at why they were slighted and when. Sometimes, it has nothing to do with reality.
I find that hard on the system.
Yes, a person is not only their Sun sign but it seems to play a significant role. The latest Cancer in tow, and I just keep stumbling on them again and again, is an Aries Moon and Sag Rising but the Cancer signature is strong.
We went for a picnic and he fell asleep, snoring at times while my Aries self was waiting by politely. Not much energy or perhaps it is all invested in some deep feeling place.
Though it is a philosophical seemingly honest person, he is still sad lonely and need to withdaw in silence and solitude, even using the words "withdrawing into his shell".
I guess being a man and having so much emotions and deep feelings is not that great in a sill patriarchal society.
The world is a pretty rough place at times and I understand overwhelming feelings but I am dancing as fast as I can .
I guess that they just can't cope very well and that the people around feel the brunt of it.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 5:03 PMYamama,
Astrology is a very good thing but... if a guy is interested in a girl, he calls. Any guy knows very well, if he doesn't call, she may find another guy in 2 weeks. So, not calling means that the idea of you being with another guy doesn't scare him. Guys can say many things, it often doesn't mean anything. There is a huge difference between speaking and doing. I had the same situation with a Cancer guy, he just withdrew; but he answered the phone right away and was very glad to talk to me. I asked him a question "you don't want me anymore. why you don't call?"He said "of corse not. I don't know why I don't call. let have a dinner tonight." In the next day he dissapeared again saying that he needs to sort out his life but let's don't beak up. Honestly, it looked very bad. I don't need this shit in my life. It's obvious, he didn't need me. Think about it. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 6:02 PMHumm would I commit my heart, and long term emotional memory to someone that, if I went through lets say even a really rough month of "what's the hell is going on in my life". and felt that this person was liable to say “I don’t need this shit” and take up w/ another.
No.
I might enjoy some good times but not commit my heart. At least not fully.
Not unless I felt they were taking as much care w/ my heart, and theirs, As I want to with Mine and Theirs..
Can you imagine anyone wanting to live life having this strong possibility all the time.
Thats youthfull playing, ok, thats fine...But....
There is a child like essence to Cancer, but also it’s polar opposite essence Cap.
Good things take time and care…
And ,Ariadne…sorry your having a bad time w/..well no judgments, but a seemingly bad choice of Cancer fellows for your style…Or just venting some composite squares?..
Some of us are really rather attentive to our lovers. And charming, giving, playful, humorous…Oh wait maybe that’s my Leo MC…lol… -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 6:29 PMThere are definitely different ways cancers express that shell. My dad is cancer, he also has venus and mercury in cancer. He is a scientist and enjoys being in solitude to think about his experiments. His cocooning has caused him to make a very good living financially. He only has 1 friend and has been married to my mom (capricorn sun and mercury) for over 40 years. My mom has a lot of fire, with mars, jupiter, and saturn in aries. There are a lot of squares and oppositions between them. It works though because my mother with her capricorn and aries influence is very independent and will go off and do her own things and never waits around for him or changes her plans because of him. If she wants him to do something or go somewhere with her, she tells him and he usually does what she says. Also, their home life is very stable and I think cancers need to be in a stable, comfortable home situation or they become little babies. My dad is content hanging out at home all weekend and a lot of cancers, female and male, are home bodies. If their financial/and or work situations are unstable, I have noticed they get very moody and can be intolerable because of their self-absorption. If they are cozy, then they have a lot of love to give.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 6:30 PMQ's,
that's not fair!!! We never broke up, he simply dissapeared. I don't call, he doesn't call. It's been a month, I don't know what's going on in his life, maybe another girl? How long I need to wait? Another couple of month? OK, let's assume that I would wait and he still in a retreating mode. What to do next? Wait again? What's a point? In my personal and my friend's experience, it's a very simple scenario: the guy met another girl, he just hesitates because this new girl is a brand new and he doesn't know if she is ok for him. When he makes a choice, he appears again in my life( the new girl was a mistake) or he stops answering my phone and emails(he made his choice, the new girl is better). It's old as a world. I was stupid so many times, waitng for that poor guy who is sooo sensitive and needs more time(turns out for another girls). -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 6:56 PMAna, you are totally right. A month of no calls, he probably is with someone else and if you hear from him when they break up, he most likely is horney and looking for a booty call until he meets the next girl. It's not necessarily a cancer thing, but it seems like water signs are more prone to that type of behavior.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 7:07 PMAna,
How long have you been in a relationship with this guy? A month does seem like a very long time if you are in a committed relationship. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 8:52 PMYaMama,
I know him for 3 years but we were friends all the time(from my side). In a month after we met(3 years ago), he told me that he is in love with me for a long period of time. I rejected him at that time( I was in love with my ex ). Time passed, I broke up with my ex on January and this cancer guy was helping me to overcome my pain but we were staying friends. Somehow on May I realized that this guy really loves me and I have to try. Well, I tried, on August he dissappered. Last time I spoke with him, he said that he's got a crazy work schedule, he's empty inside, and he needs some time to figure out what's going on in his life and how he feels about it. But he loves me very much and never wanted to hurt me. End of the story.
Tara, thanks. I think I am pretty right.
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 9:05 PMYaMama,
This is the cancer guy's chart, so you can compare...
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sat, September 15, 2007 - 8:57 AMsorry Ana, wasn't trying to make judgments, just adding a diferent posible perspective.. -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Mon, September 17, 2007 - 3:59 PMI found a website that seems to have a good description of Cancer, traits, do you agree? Check it out. zodiac-signs-astrology.com/zodi...r.htm
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Fri, September 21, 2007 - 12:59 PMIf he's retreating - leave him alone!
I'm not trying to be unkind, but speaking as a Cancer, when I'm pulling back, messages of "miss you" and "thinking of you" will only serve to make me feel as though my needs for space are not being respected, and (as it's likely I'm being moody anyway) will only irritate me, or cause me to retreat further, or both.
Let him breathe. If he says he loves you and you're his future, believe him, and let him have his space! -
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Re: Cancer Men - Need Your Advice
Sat, June 21, 2008 - 10:38 PMI have a hard time believing people act a certain way just based on their Sun sign. My Sun sign is one of the least strongest signs in my chart and basically describes my friendships b/c it's in the house of friendship. I have a Taurus Sun, which makes me loyal and selective in my friendships. But I certainly don't fall under most other characteristics of that sign - affectionate, romantic, patient, conservative, etc.
I actually get sort of angry when people start generalizing about Sun signs. It's one of the reasons people make fun of astrology. Take Bill Nye the Science Guy on Astrology: www.youtube.com/watch He went on and on about Sun signs, but said nothing about all that astrology actually encompasses.
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