SecSip - that's true, but I don't think we always take after our parents. I know I don't. And my nephew's sister may have her problems, but she doesn't lie compulsively like that either. I mean the conversations with him and his mom get downright exhausting because the lies just pile up.

I used to be a major liar, and still have the ability..rustier, but it's there, in case of emergency. lol I still say little white lies, like "yes, orange looks good on you", or "I didn't call you back right away because I was in the shower" etc...to avoid hurting people's feelings or staying out of trouble. But I wouldn't lie about serious issues, like..money, health, news etc. I generally wouldn't lie about things that I feel are really important to another person.

I think in my case, it was plain easy to see why I would be a major liar-first of all, because of my chart, second-and I would say, most importantly-because of my early childhood conditions.

If I'd have to make a list of chart influences, I would definitely list Neptune in there..a strong Neptune in a chart makes a great "actor", always, and they're most likely to lie because-no 1.they live and breathe the ideal of "all is relative", which implies attitudes like "mi casa es su casa", or "you are me like we are he and we are all together"-or however those beatles' "strawberry fields forever" lyrics went. So under this ideal, time and places no longer exist, but vary and get stretched inside the mind, and being one hour late doesn't matter, because, really, what's one hour in the infinity of space and time? why hurry, when you could die any second? I was just contemplating the movements of the clouds..can you blame me for being in awe of the beauty of nature? etc etc. you get the idea.

And the no2. reason is the empathy and desire to keep things smooth with people which is related to the live and let live attitude of neptunians. they hate wasting time on "trivial" matters like being on time, fitting into a tight schedule, meeting a deadline, gaining respect of other's selfish inflated egos, showing respect to their same selfish over-inflated egos etc, etc.. so they say stuff just to "slip out", to put it in "fish language".

Then, I would also list Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter in there..but you have to really analyze each individual chart to get the real picture.

Like I was saying, in my chart, it's like this:Sun conjunct Venus in Pisces, on the DC. Sun also makes a 7 degree orb trine to Pluto and is parallel Pluto.
This shows that I am totally motivated by the more intuitive, elusive energies and experiences in life, as well as romantic love. I'm driven to find God, and experience as many emotions as possible, on the way to god. hate routine and confinement, and words like "rule", "must", "responsibility", or even "integrity" are, well, just words to me.

On top of that, you need to add the strong desire to keep things in balance and keep harmonious relations, that, ideally, would show me in a good light. (Sun-Venus on the DC)

And all of this because I have a strong desire to have power and influence.(the Sun-Pluto connections)

Of course, these elements alone are not decisive in determining my tendency and ability to dissimulate. If I had a Moon-Mars conjunction in Aries, for instance, I may have used these abilities to a much lesser extent.
BUT since I have Moon-Jupiter conjunct in 0 degree Gemini-the most eager to be Gemini of all the Gemini degrees-lol-and squaring Mercury in Pisces conjunct North Node, it is obvious I have the full "equipment" to be a professional liar.

Another major + on the liar scheme is Lilith in Libra in the 1st house-I've been called a major manipulator by those around me from an early age, because I just HAD to always get my way. And Libra is a major sweet-talker.If Sun in Libra is sometimes called "iron fist in the velvet glove", Lilith in Libra would be called "iron tongue in a velvet glove". LOL

The things that hold me back from being a pathological liar, however, are Mars and Pluto. Mars conjoins Moon and Jupiter, in the 9th house, and is in Gemini, giving my mind a touch of "in your face" expression and reactions.
Mars is also parallel my MC, the highest point of "what I really care about" in a chart, so, naturally I like to keep things simple and..rather blunt, overall, in my public expression. Jupiter is also parallel my MC-same as with Mars, enforces the need for clarity and "telling it as it is"

Then, there's Pluto in my 3rd, tightly trine Venus , which makes me admire loyalty and "togetherness" of the mind and social expression.

Saturn almost exactly conjunct Neptune works both ways-on the one hand, I think it adds to my tendency to use lies to keep things under control, and on the other hand, it makes me control any tendency to add more "colors" than necessary to my expression. LOL


Apart from all this, though, I think upbringing is very important. I feel that I used to do a lot of lying because I had a really low self-esteem level. For one, I felt like I was so "odd" that nobody would accept the real me, so I would have to make up things to get attention, and then, because I was put down by those in my immediate family and felt like I was useless and more of a burden than anything else, I would react by lying on a constant basis, simply out of revenge or to keep myself on an even keel.

I feel like this is especially true for Pisces-or people with strong neptune-who never had a strong sense of family, or "belonging", or just never felt supported emotionally: they just lie and act like low-lives because they sense that's exactly what other people expect from them.

Once again I can't stress the importance Mercury has in Subjects like this. Lying can be broken down into many parts though. One of them can be the Mind(Mercury) where we form the lies and have conscious control over how and when we intend to lie. Another is our emotions(Moon) and why we "feel" we need to lie. Another is having the energy to lie so Mars would play a part for me.Jupiter represents honesty as well as Venus in a sense as it relates to how we deal with others and taken in their negative expression could represent a liar especially if in bad aspect to Mercury. Sometimes the lying is done as a defense mechanism and that is when we go back to the Moon(automatic responses). Sometimes people put up a front and my realize this and simply lie on purpose and when that happens it is best to look at the Ascendant sign and see how it is aspect-ed.There are so many outside influences as to why a person feels the need to lie though and that should be taken into consideration also. Looking to what the 3rd house ruler is doing may give clues as to the surrounding situations in that persons environment as well as clues to that person's childhood situations as Aria has stated(3rd house would show schooling up until college).Some other places to look may be the 2nd house as it shows our self-worth and how we may feel about ourselves and what we have as well as how we feel about the talents we may or may not have.Neptune in a bad aspect to Mercury.... Hmm.... If anything Neptune would represent confusion and hysteria in it's bad aspect as well as hypersensitivity. When connected to Mercury depending on how badly it is aspect-ed we may end up seeing someone who is simply convinced of what they believe in their own mind and they may truly and honestly believe in the lies they may have "seen". They are caught up in some state of confusion and of course where Neptune and Mercury are located(which houses) would help to see where this plays out.I feel that lying is very unique for each individual as it may not be as extreme for others as some. Sometimes people don't lie.Sometimes people are just dramatic but, it is about perspective and how lying affects you personally with the individual you are dealing with so a Synastry chart would be something to think about. One last point I feel that the ruler of the Third house and what that planet aspects and the sign of it will dictate Very much to how someone communicates to their environment. I have Leo on the Third house cusp and many times(in certain places) I have been dubbed as a Leo and The people who believe I am a Leo are often very very shocked that I am not one. In my mind I am left thinking though.." The loudest Rawr comes from the Leo who actually uses his Voice(3rd house of communication)" Looks like I have the loudest Rawwr when it comes down to the Leos! :P

So bored that I'm thinking, why would anyone believe in anyone else's interpretation of Astrology? UNLESS:

(1) You are either old enough to experience if for yourself. or,
(2) you're trying to figure out other people in the hopes that you will 'skip steps.' Highly unlikely ;-) (but Gemini is expert at this).
(3) you're too weak to walk away from the 'liars,' or whatever else insults you in life...(and continue to blame them for your feelings ;-)

Astrology is great, you just have to be 'mature' enough to handle it ;-)

"These would be rather minor lies most of the time, but all I'm saying is that it comes natural to these people to take the easy way out by saying something that is not necessarily true."

I agree with this about Gemini and telling minor lies, as well as Neptune possibly factoring into larger manipulation (either with a person with a Neptune aspect being easily manipulated and/or doing manipulating, potentially). I also agree that the mutables (Sagittarius a bit less and Virgo less much, much so than Gemini and Pisces, though, from my own experience) can sometimes tend towards bending the truth.

I think Gemini (and also Pisces) often don't really see themselves as bending the truth or lying, especially in the moment that they are saying something that's maybe not 100% true. I have Gemini Rising (plus a Neptune-Mercury square) and I was talking to a Pisces Sun/Moon friend about this recently, and it seems like we felt very similarly about it. We'll sometimes say things that feel right to say, in the moment, but, if we think about it later, we might realize it wasn't completely true. There's also an ability (these signs both deal with duality, after all) to see many sides of issues, so sometimes Gemini or Pisces might try on a statement to entertain another perspective on something, even if that might not be what they, ultimately, believe. Additionally, Gemini (and I think Pisces often, as well) tends to see that there are many truths and these truths don't necessarily cancel each other out. Truth can seem like a malleable or very complex issue to Gemini. It can sometimes rationalize things very well, because of this. And sometimes it's just trying to find what the truth is of that moment. But Sagittarius is more concerned with Ultimate Truths (and beliefs).

Anyhow, those are some of my thoughts and experiences with Gemini and the idea of truth (and lying). I do think that Gemini lies are often not intended as large or harmful. They're almost exercises in communication or trying to understand other perspectives. However, sometimes, Gemini might be playing slippery games and moving around what it knows to be true purposefully, just because it 's easy enough to do. So... who knows.