Here's the bit of conversation that started me wondering:
>>Nexus: ...in any case, often people came not to have their character read, but because they had a specific quesion or problem, or quite simply, were hoping not for Greater Understanding of their Souls, but for the thing that astrology had once been most famous for - Predictions.
Laura: So, how useful is astrology in a predictive sense? That seems to be what most folks really want, in one way or another...even the "soul-searching" kind are often after a greater predictability or degree of control over their lives. I certainly include myself in this!<<
Opinions? Experiences?
>>Nexus: ...in any case, often people came not to have their character read, but because they had a specific quesion or problem, or quite simply, were hoping not for Greater Understanding of their Souls, but for the thing that astrology had once been most famous for - Predictions.
Laura: So, how useful is astrology in a predictive sense? That seems to be what most folks really want, in one way or another...even the "soul-searching" kind are often after a greater predictability or degree of control over their lives. I certainly include myself in this!<<
Opinions? Experiences?
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Unsu...
Re: What is the predictive value of astrology?
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 12:51 AMWhen I did the fairs, many people came when they were havng either clear Saturn or outer-planet transits. They followed he passage of Saturn, for example, around the clock. I also remember somon wryly telling me that most peopl edid not go to an astrologer 'unless they had a problem.' The reading could hopefully allow these people to look the situation from a different angle - which of course, when looking at natal and transiting alspects, you are.
Good thread topic Laura, thanks.
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Re: What is the predictive value of astrology?
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 1:05 AMthe 'predictive sense' is the lowest common denominator of this brilliant art & philosophy of astrology & control is an illusion
love all-ways,
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Re: What is the predictive value of astrology?
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 1:08 AMBad Religion ~ No Control
www.youtube.com/watch
no truer words have ever been spoken or offered such brilliant optimism
love all-ways,
mem
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Unsu...
Re: What is the predictive value of astrology?
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 7:06 AMI tend to think predictive astrology is very misunderstood by people and many think that the trends and cycles are written stone that is not the fault of the art and the skill there of but rather superstition and religious programing.
You can predict when the next fullmoon will take place -predictive astrology is the same way .
You have a interpetation and this is where is gets tricky because a person has got to know themselves enough to explain to the astrologer that so they get a sense of the natal chart and how the person had learned to operate within that scope plus the changes that are coming through the progressed moon -what progression are registaring as well as transits . There are weather aspects and interpetations that can be across the board but not in all chances even when the aspects and planets applied to the location, for example you wouldn't predict a tsunmai in the high desert perhaps an earth quake maybe even a storm, its about common sense and listening to your inner voice and being objective. You putting together that what is skripted in the stars .
There are other kinds of predictions in astrology and that is Horary and this is a lot like divination than predictive astrology.
It has many rigid rules applied with intuition. It is a wonderful branch of astrology.
kate
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Re: What is the predictive value of astrology?
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 9:01 AMNexus, I agree; it's all about getting into a different perspective. I personally like astrology as a frame of reference, but there are others-- psychoanalytic & developmental theory, mythology, etc.-- metaphors for conveying the patterns of human experience.
Mary, I think I understand where you're coming from, but as an artist, manipulating my environment is fundamental to me; when I say "control" I mean a capacity to predict the outcome of, say, mixing red and blue. I personally find it best to know the usual outcome, then I can deviate from that as I please, and be surprised at happy accidents. It works with people, too, to an extent. That's the control I'm talking about!
Kate, your approach is the one I like best. Larger trends are predictable, but the individual response isn't as easy. It's hard to explain that to clients and friends sometimes, though. I find that using the stock market as an analogy works fairly well-- we can predict certain trends fairly easily, but can't always predict the performance of individual stocks.
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