Me and my boyfriend are compatiable in every way except for moon signs...i have an aries moon, he has a virgo moon. This really only causes a problem when we are upset with eachother...i wanna talk about it and say whats on my mind... he wants to be alone. Then i will provoke him to talk, and we will both explode and lose our tempers and start yelling. It could start out as the littlest thing but because of our differences it evolves. I've learned a lot to just let him have his time, but its still hard!
Me
Sun-Taurus
Moon- Aries
Rising- Scorpio
Him
Sun- Cancer
Moon- Virgo
Rising- Scorpio
I dont know much about moon in Virgo... how exactly do they deal with their emotions?? and what do they expect their partner to do when theyre mad?
Me
Sun-Taurus
Moon- Aries
Rising- Scorpio
Him
Sun- Cancer
Moon- Virgo
Rising- Scorpio
I dont know much about moon in Virgo... how exactly do they deal with their emotions?? and what do they expect their partner to do when theyre mad?
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Re: Virgo Moon
Sat, February 23, 2008 - 8:23 AMvirgo moons tend to analyze their emotions, and intellectualize them especially when they are strong and possibly confusing.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 9:24 AMVirgo moons tend to deny/ repress their own emotions. They tend to think emotions get in the way of their expediency in ensuring there is order in the house or at work. And when these guys feel cornered, they tend to throw their energy in creating more boundaries and rules at their place of work or home. Virgo moons tend to be passive- aggressive.
Also Virgo moons may have grown up with austere, no- nonsense mothers. There is also the likelihood that their mothers have gone through a hard life and have to take extra care in ensuring the kids have their basic necessities taken care of. As such, she denies her own exhaustion, her need to care for herself by investing her energy in her family and she makes that known to you whenever you step out of line. She is also a perfectionist; not so much in the creative sense, but ensuring that magazines are arranged a certain way, the bed is made a certain way, that she gets up in the morning at certain time so that she would have enough time do certain chores, etc. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 10:06 AMEvery Moon sign has its shadow side expressing the distortions of its truer qualities when the person undergoes great stress. Though Virgo Moon under stress can become hyper-critcal of themselves and others, when they are comfortable and stress-free they can be genuinely humble, decent and conscientious people.
The Aries Moon person thrives on a sense of immediacy and excitement while the Virgo Moon needs a sense of order and routine. You see, Virgo and Aries form a natural quincunx. These people can get along very well after they figure out which one deserves to get their way more often around each other (the spontaneous, impulsive Aries Moon person does). Until then, it can be a real hit or miss thing with many frustrating misunderstandings due to each person standing in the blind spot of the other ; their arguments are nobody's fault. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 11:29 AMThe 2 risings could complicate things. Both have a need for finding the core truth of any conflict. and as stated have 2 totally different way of attempting to do so.
Yes the Aries, as something comes up will turn and want to deal with it Right Now.
And be “Right”
The Virgo will then back off from any point at hand and start looking over the particulars. Then the Cancer sun can often get a bit childish. Self protective.
Meeting a fixed Taurus sun Aries moon that ain’t backin’ off.
I’d say bring this up now and again while things are calm. Make a pact that you both understand this difficulty but you do love each other.
And always try to NOT go to sleep at night mad.
The Aries needs to understand that not everything can Be solved Right Now.
The Taurus Sun can help if energy placed in the “We love each other reminder” Patience.
The Virgo needs to understand the Aries need for urgency.
Though from the crux theme, this is something that never gets totally solved. Both just learn to work around the differences.
Just remember the only person anyone can change, is themselves.
Maybe I’m in left field, maybe this was helpful..
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 11:31 AMtwo scorpions in a bucket; mate or die...
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:21 PM"The Aries Moon person thrives on a sense of immediacy and excitement while the Virgo Moon needs a sense of order and routine. You see, Virgo and Aries form a natural quincunx. These people can get along very well after they figure out which one deserves to get their way more often around each other (the spontaneous, impulsive Aries Moon person does)."
Sherpa,
Is that why me and my Virgo bf get along? And why I attract so many Virgoes? And what is quincunx? What's its influence?
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:12 PM"Virgo moons tend to deny/ repress their own emotions. They tend to think emotions get in the way of their expediency in ensuring there is order in the house or at work. And when these guys feel cornered, they tend to throw their energy in creating more boundaries and rules at their place of work or home. Virgo moons tend to be passive- aggressive."
lady saber, i disagree with your analysis here. its not so much that virgo moon people repress their emotions, they compartmentalize them. not the same as repression. emotions have their place over *HERE* (unlike emotions don't have a place at all, lets pretend they don't exist).
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i think you may be confusing virgo for a saturn ruled sign. virgos do not create rules or boundaries, that is a function generally taken by saturn. virgo is ruled by mercury, which rules the mind and mental communication. so a moon ruled by mercury tends, as i said before, to intellectualize the emotions. so virgos moon tend to be able to talk about their feelings (altho not as well as an air moon, such as libra or gemini) but may not identify so well with "feeling" them. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:27 PMAs a Virgo Moon person (9th House), I agree with KaliKat's analysis about sorting out emotions, or what she called compartmentalization or categorization. There's some truth to that. I don't repress emotions as much as sift through them to discern the useful from the useless; the wheat from the chaff, Useless emotions fail to serve anything beyond their own stink and so, I just feel them and then let them go of. In fact, whenever I am feeling down or out of touch with my feelings, I make myself useful in any old way and my emotional tank fills up again.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:38 PMHey Kalikat
Yeah, actually that's what I meant. Not repress but compartmentalise. Sometimes it does look like repression to me though because the energy tends to come out some other way.
I haven't confused it with a Saturn- ruled sign, I know it is ruled by Mercury but somehow it's just not manifest in my experiences with them Virgo moons.
I have friends who are Virgo moons who tend to place boundaries if they are feeling cornered. A friend of mine owns a shop, and we often use the bathroom. But it was just that particular day that the cistern broke, and a few bunch of other things happened as I can imagine it seemed like a shit day for her so she decided to put lock and key on the thing.
Another friend with a Virgo moon does the same thing at home. She usually doesn't mind her kids going around to the ice- cream parlour every weekend. The kids have been good, but she was having a bad day, and when the kids came home, she said ice- cream only on Saturday and not Sunday.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:59 PMhmm. ii don't see how either example relates to the virgo moon.
both people having a bad day. one puts a lock on her bathroom b/c its broken (i'm assuming a cistern has to do with a bathroom and thats why you brought it up in the context that you did) and she doesn't want anyone using it. that sounds practical to me.
the other limits her children's ice cream intake b/c she has a bad day ..... i don't get it. did the kids do something that earned them a restriction? these are really hard examples to try to discern from. well, since this is a limited thread with no access to the charts in question, it will give limited results, i guess. it would be interesting to see the charts you mention lady saber, b/c i don't see either example really relating to a virgo moon. altho i guess the first to some degree - virgo is an earth sign, and the practical thing to do when something is broken is to fix it before using it again. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 8:03 PMNope, the lock and key was to ensure that people have to seek permission from the counter to use the toilet and not because it was broken.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 8:51 PM"don't break it until it's fixed" (conversation overheard between a Scorpio Sun and a Virgo Moon)
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:55 PMWell perhaps if the Mercury rulership isn't activated, when Virgo moons don't intellectualise how they feel about things or talk about them, they place boundaries. Ultimately inspite the Mercury rulership, Virgo is an earth sign.
I don't know, am groping a bit here.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:07 PMI find Virgo Moon people to be uncomplicated emotionally. Virgo is the virgin or prepubescent girl, so Virgos are like children. Have you ever seen a child get upset and throw a tantrum and then 20 minutes later they are as happy as they ever were? Virgos are right there present with what's going on, reacting to it. They aren't necessarily trying to resolve it or find the deeper meaning, they are just in it. Virgos like to be helpful, like how a child wants to help their parents. But when emotions get involved they may simply not understand what's going on and not know what to do about it. Aries are impulsive and usually have something to prove. I know because I'm an Aries Moon. I want to do the right thing and have the right answer always, like a super hero to the rescue. Virgos want to help but they are more logical about it and less invested in their egos. Realize that you don't always need to fix the situation. Nobody is grading your performance. Appeal to your boyfriend's sense of logic and he may see things your way.
BTW, I think the female scorpion kills the male scorpion to feed her young, doesn't she?
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:27 PMDavid,
Gemini is the sign of the teenage period. Virgo is quite complex. Its prudishness doesn't come out of lack of experience, but out of over-analyzing, and dissecting everything from an externalized approach.
The difference between Aries-the 1st sign and stage of an individual's life-and Virgo-the 6th and last of the personal signs- is that Aries is a lot less self-conscious and therefore, a lot more attuned to its animal side, whereas Virgo is very self-aware(probably THE most self-aware of signs) and strives to get rid of its animal side. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:45 PM"Gemini is the sign of the teenage period. Virgo is quite complex. Its prudishness doesn't come out of lack of experience, but out of over-analyzing, and dissecting everything from an externalized approach."
Yup. I agree, but I do think that Geminis are quite complex although at their core, they are very simple. Teenagers go through complicated periods in their lives or at least everything seems more complicated to a teenager. I understand my Gemini mom very well, and know her moods.
"The difference between Aries-the 1st sign and stage of an individual's life-and Virgo-the 6th and last of the personal signs- is that Aries is a lot less self-conscious and therefore, a lot more attuned to its animal side, whereas Virgo is very self-aware(probably THE most self-aware of signs) and strives to get rid of its animal side."
Yup again. My Virgo rising makes me more of a self-conscious and self-aware person. I don't know if I strive to hide my animal, but I just have trouble not analyzing things. Eventually, either my Venus in Gemini overrules my Virgo and Capricorn moon or they win out. I don't know.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 4:02 PMMantis,
Thanks for your response. I think it's good to have different viewpoints, that's why I usually don't contradict what other posters say. It's all good, and actually some of what was said was not in contradiction. But just to clarify...
I didn't say that Virgo symbolized a teenager. I said Virgo symbolized a prepubescent girl. I am aware of the connection made between the signs and the stages of a human life used by Western astrologers. I was referring to the actual symbol for the sign Virgo. I think a lot of insight can come from understanding these animal symbols. Virgo means virgin. In Sanskrit, the word for Virgo is Kanya, which means girl, as in female person prior to puberty.
It is my understanding that Virgo represents our consciousness prior to having sex and Scorpio represents our consciousness after having sex (with Libra in between representing relationships or marriage). Virgo is innocent and straightforward in its approach to relationships, and sometimes naive about it. I have a Virgo Moon friend who recently fell for this woman who completely took advantage of her. She promised to pay her back thousands of dollars and eventually my friend realized that she was not going to get that money. Part of the difficulty of getting over the relationship was realizing that somebody could do something like that, because it was just beyond her understanding of people. I have another Virgo Moon friend who has been celibate for years, simply not wanting to get involved with anybody. Both women are very unassuming and friendly to be around, kind of like being around an innocent young girl. I know that as individuals they have complexities to their personality and their own life experience. I'm just talking about the archetype of Virgo.
I also trust that you have insights into the Virgo archetype, since you have a Virgo Ascendant. In your case, however, that Virgo will be modified by Mercury in Pisces, which is Mercury's debilitation sign and the opposite of Virgo's nature. Maybe you can talk a bit about how you experience that!
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 4:32 PMDavid,
No one said that Virgoes symbolized a teenager. Mantis said that Geminis were the sign of the teenage period.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 5:00 PMDavid,
"Thanks for your response. I think it's good to have different viewpoints, that's why I usually don't contradict what other posters say. It's all good, and actually some of what was said was not in contradiction. But just to clarify... " lol. I wasn't trying to pick a fight or anything..maybe I sounded a bit blunt, again.
Ok, ok, the symbol.Yes, got it.
I think Virgos come across as innocent precisely because they are so excessively analyzing and rational. At least, that's how it is for me. I sometimes fall into naivety because I don't expect people to behave so stupidly and predictably, and try to make up excuses for their behavior.
Being somewhat of a control freak, I am used to being 10 steps ahead of everybody else, and I find it natural that everybody would wish to be in control all the time, as well. I for one act as if every day is my last, and always see life as a pass time-never take anything too seriously, therefore I find it ridiculous that some people let themselves be guided by irrational, instinctual feelings, like..fear, pride, envy and so on. I just refuse to consider that, only to later realize that's all they had in their heads.
I would definitely not call myself innocent. Being a Pisces, I've always felt old and tried, and nothing surprises me.
The Virgo apparent innocence comes out of its detachment. Virgo is the first sign that dares to look inside itself and separate the animal from the spark of divinity. It knows that perfection comes from exploiting its divinity and ignoring its animal side.
Therefore, it is without defense in face of all the other signs which are a lot more attuned to the inner animal and will act on selfish impulse and reflex.
In fact, those before Virgo aren't even attuned, they are unaware of the dual nature of their humanity-of their being, I mean.
I think Virgo is a compulsive analyzer, and I have that. Virgoes will get dizzy by listening to their own heartbeats, and imagining how degradable the human body is. It is the sign of self-preservation-hence the chastity symbolism.
I can actually self-suggest myself into illness-which is probably also thanks to the Mercury in Pisces position.
For instance, in high school, I remember when we had a biology lesson about the heart. After that hour, I got uncontrollable chest pains and actually couldn't stop my heart from beating so fast. All it took was for the teacher to make sudden clenches of her fists, and my heart went faster and faster.
And I still do that. In every day stuff-like when I watch someone drinking, I can't help imagining how the water goes through the digestive system.
Or how the bones look beneath their faces, while they're speaking.
Well, u get the point...I really can't be romantic at all under such circumstances."giggles" -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 5:05 PMoh, and by clenching her fist, I mean she was explaining the heart rhythms and making gestures at the same time...such a freak. A Scorpio teacher..I almost became a vegetarian due to her convincing explanations of anatomical functions... -
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 1:58 AMMantis thanks for sharing. I think for Virgo it's a priority that things "make sense", although what that means depends on the Virgo. Surely all your Pisces stuff is going to throw a watery spin on Virgo in your case. There's an underlying archetype there we are both getting at, and you are helping me to refine my ideas about Virgo. The story about your ability to imagine gross things is really funny, and so Virgo. I still think there's a certain childlike innocence to that, the ability to just freely go there, like kids imagining something gross just to gross each other out.
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 1:28 AM"I still think there's a certain childlike innocence to that, the ability to just freely go there, like kids imagining something gross just to gross each other out. "
"the ability"?! It's a compulsion!
But yeah, I guess it does depend a lot on other factors in a chart. But that is precisely why I think we should refrain from just declaring things like a sign is this and that. Astrology is just too subtle for words sometimes.
And I'm really not sure about that analogy of urs with the Virgo-Libra-Scorpio symbolism. I mean, if Libra is the sign of union and marriage, why is Scorpio the sex freak?
And what about all the signs before Virgo? Aries should be the most prudish of signs. Or a child is more sexual until the age of 3?
I know quite a few Virgo Suns that aren't innocent by any criteria. There is also that side of Virgo that uses its sense of observation to develop sharp cynicism and sarcasm.
But then again, that also depends on other factors in a chart.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:58 PMI can identify with the chastity in self preservation.
My Saturn is in Virgo and it is in my seventh house of relationships, but I have loads of Scorpionic energy that makes me seem very sexual and wanton, but my first sexual experience was much later than peers my age. But hell was I glad I held out :-)
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 11:46 PMHey Mantis,
I've never heard the Virgo energy described quite like that... it definitely resonates with me! Sounds like it would be rather easy for you to manifest good things in addition to the bad. I'm a 12th house Virgo moon and I'm finally learning to use my emotions as a means to an end (well being, spirituality)... it's pretty exciting to gain better control over them. -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 1:13 AMlol, Jose
I have Mercury and Venus in Pisces in the 6th house, so it's a pretty similar energy. Though, entirely different. "giggles"
Moon in Virgo and in the 12th means u are used to dissecting ur feelings from a detached point of view, and analyzing them objectively-not just romantic feelings, but all sides of ur emotional temperament, in general. And that's ur basic, compulsive nature.
And it is through this "objective analyzing" that u slowly, but surely, get directed towards the more subtle spiritual purposes of ur 12th house. U use detachment to find a religion and inner peace, in other words.
With my planets in the 6th, and especially Mercury, it went the other way around. From excessive chaotic imagining, and subtle empathic perceptions, I slowly but surely got directed into more down-to-earth, practical use of my hyper-sensitivity.
I guess planets in signs always show the less developed side of that sign, since we are born with them, and they always represent compulsion. Houses, on the other hand, are meant to be cultivated and reached after years of experience and "exercise".
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:11 PMAnother thought,
Your compatibility has a lot to do with your Taurus Sun and his Virgo Moon. Maybe focus on those earth element qualities to bring out the best in the relationship.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:19 PMDOQ,
That was some really good advice. I can definitely relate.
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:21 PMActually, I think it has more to do with her Taurus Sun and his Scorpio Rising."grin" -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:23 PMLOL...whenever I think of a Taurus and a Scorpio together...I think of heartbreak and the Taurus chasing the Scorpio and being frustrated.
May be it's because I always picture a Taurus friend always chasing this Scorpio guy and being frustrated by his cold or detached, player ways. I felt she was stringing herself along and so was he. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:28 PMreally?
So far, I've only heard of Taurus women leaving their Scorpio mates..."giggles". Straight women, by the way... -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:40 PMLeaving their Scorpio mates for what? A woman or just in general? Did they tell you why?
My aunt (an Aquarius) left her Scorpio husband (they'd been married for years and college sweethearts whole bit and have had two children) for another woman. She discovered she was gay after all that time, or may be she was coming into another sexual phase and discovery in her life. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:44 PMmostly it was the Scorpio's infidelity or some other ways of pushing the "Taurean buttons".lol
Actually, my Cancer Sun, Taurus Rising friend left her Scorpio boyfriend cuz she just stopped loving him...yeah.auch."giggles" -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:46 PMGosh, I'm sure he being a Scorpio could never have imagined that happening to him, and someone falling OUT of love with him, but it happens even to the best of em..LOL -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 5:41 PMok thanks for all the replies. Luckily we barely fight. oh and im usually the one to get my way LOL. We've been together for 2 1/2 years and over time i've learned ways to deal with it...dont know if it solves the underlying problem but it does help us to not rip eachothers heads off!! Say we're in an argument..ill try to talk to him about it, he wont want to so ill just sleep on it, by the next day my steam is gone and hes ready to talk. and we just talk calmly about how we feel..... is this a good approah for a virgo moon???
And whats wrong with two scorpio risings?? I find it to be a good thing... in our case neways. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 6:02 PM"And whats wrong with two scorpio risings?? I find it to be a good thing... in our case neways. "
Nothing wrong really or right even just a mind boggler.
I'm a Scorpio Asc (rising) Cancer sun btw, I do wonder what a relationship w/ another scorpio Asc would be like.
One thing would be the "careful in attention levels" and what your paying attention to on a sexual level. Cause this will Not go unnoticed by either. -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 6:30 PMI think that alot of it also has to do with his Cancer Sun.
My boy is a Cancer and I find that if you come on too strong with them and you haven't given them time to feel or analyze their emotions then they will feel cornered and explode and say things that they really don't mean in order to stop the seemed attack.
I find that if you see them start to move backwards or moving left to right, it is best to just leave them alone for awhile and give them the space and time to feel things out.
Your fiery Aries moon can be abit agressive and headstrong so chill out abit.
Also, go to astro.com and do a composite chart to get alot more insight. It takes the midpoints of all of your planets and points of both of your charts and blends it into one chart.
I wondered why I had so many problems with my ex when our natal chart seemed so perfect in symetry (which it was at the beginning of the relationship) and this week I finally cast a compisite chart and it showed me what it was like after the relationship had progressed and gave me alot of insight.
Use the Taurus patience and don't be so ready to strike with your stinger, I know because I am a Taurus with Scorpio rising as you are :) -
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:01 PMim a bit complicated....im normally introverted but am completely extroverted when sad or upset...thanks to my aries moon i guess.
oh and the attention sexually thing is definitly true with scorpio rising!!!!!! i know that if he doesnt say or do something to initiate that he wants and desires me every day i will be soo hurt and take it personally. Sounds retarded though but thats how it is LOL.
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 1:16 AMwell, not really
Scorpios all have deep insecurities, especially at a young age. They're not all born sex gods. "giggles"
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Sat, February 23, 2008 - 9:13 PMI often think of the moon as related to security.
so then a virgo moon would have security in order (physical - hierarchical - organized - healthy - routines - perfection etc.).
I especially notice the routine and perfection thing.
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 7:20 PMmaybe it's his cancer sun that wants to retreat?
in my experience, virgo sun/moon like to talk about their problems. The ideal situation would be to have someone sit down and really listen to them as they talk and analyse their conflict. Just listening to them work out a solution or come to a conclusion is quite an interesting experience!
I'm an aries moon too but when i get upset, i don't want anyone near me, nor do i want to talk about it - at least until i've calmed down and analysed it to death. -
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 9:33 PM>>>
in my experience, virgo sun/moon like to talk about their problems. The ideal situation would be to have someone sit down and really listen to them as they talk and analyse their conflict. Just listening to them work out a solution or come to a conclusion is quite an interesting experience
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 11:50 PMOf course, there are many other factors, like trines/squares/etc to the moon placement... I happen to be a Virgo moon (Cap Sun/Libra Rising). I can communicate my feelings easily most of the time... at other times my feelings are so strong that I CAN'T communicate them... but I've learned how to become a better manager of them throughout the years. I'm a practitioner of universal attraction these days, and I find that being a Virgo moon (12th house) certainly helps. Since I'm also a 12th house moon, my strongest emotions tend to be pretty private. If used wisely, it's a great reserve of energy... if not, it can eat at you in baaad ways. The emotional analyzing can be overwhelming if you don't know how to deal with it properly... because it's ALWAYS going on, in my case anyway.
