capricorn moons want power?

"LOL...you took my comment too seriously, Paul. My post was a facetious and sarcastic response to the initial post. "

Oh. erm. yes ... that's right... I know that... yup...ok move along now...nothing to see...

'LOL...you took my comment too seriously, Paul. My post was a facetious and sarcastic response to the initial post''

then why did ya fucking bother? you are an asshole. We so need sarcastic and facetious astrology guru;s around here. If you have nothing to be taken seriously, shut the fuck up asshole. But then you won't, and wonder why people like myself comment. So come on, you pussy pandering asshole, add something of worth, or have no criticism when i come to be sarcastic with ya all. You teach people then shit on them afterwards, your astrology is not worth 5 cents, and i pity the idiot that would consult you. In the end, it means you are kinda more like me than not. And pity those who are too stupid to see the difference. Go on guru goody. Herd that shitty advice and input right off the nearest cliff, shepard of the reading impaired.
blah blah blah

And off goes the pussy's light within 10 seconds of the post. Run. Its better for you.

i know it sounds whacked. even his father thot he was whacked. I, am whacked, in fact.


"the thing is that it just comes naturally."
thats what i meant by:
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yet natural to their psyche's sort of way.'


"We quite often are moved up way before those who have been there much longer""

and thats what i meant by:

""when the rungs of life have been leveled somewhat.''

anyway, dats my 2 cents, which are not worth much in the reptilian overlord world of today. :)

hey, i'm cap moon, first house jupiter too! pisces sun & mercury/cancer ascendant, so too sensitive & indirect to run for office or try to take over the world directly (!) though i *do* look to influence the collective unconscious with my ideas/art, however... cap moon maybe gives a determination & seriousness in these matters.

carry on then... :)

Lol @ Brendan wanting to be a great tree or mushroom. I can identify with the fact that Capricorn moons don't always want to be sociable, they just want to get down to business without all the niceties, which can get in the way of work and time!

I have few cap moons close to me. My observations is that they can be extreme workaholics and do strive to high position, but through their hard work. They do invest most of their energy in work area, but have some troubles in emotional department. They are caring and protective, but occasionaly turn ice cold and freeze blood in my veins. Also i noticed theyre pretty moody, and need to have everything under control

the capi moon couple I know are inseparable and they look dependant on each other, but there is great cultivated respect (that was the distance I was talking about) between them. They don't want to offend each other. They discuss everything when they make decision; making decision alone means disrespect. It looks as if they are so afraid of letting out any hint of disrespect. They don't tease or make fun of each other. (teasing for cap moons might mean disrespect). They don't want to give other people any chance to tease them. In a way, they are in control of everything. They do everything to prevent you from coming closer.
When they smile at you, you smile back, but when you want to have a broader smile or laugh, they withdraw.

I am a cap moon trine sun pluto uranus sextil neptun and septil saturnus and square venus in libra
my father is a cap moon too
my mother has asc in cap.....
well I notice my mother is hard and calculating sometimes---i dont like
but she shifts she is a cancer....so sometimes I love her more.....

yes I can be competitive lika my father and it can be tough
but generally I like competition and ambition
when I work I do it hard
I correct others easily too

I can erase negative emotions with a system....
I choose to be in power sadness is not a powerful state
as I tell a piscean friend
its an enigma for me that people stay in negative states.....

hermit,

You said:
"Parsing this, I really don't see any distinction.
"you have to do what I want you to do" is really no different from "I will FORCE you to do what I say." "

You are correct. Those weren't the best choice of words. Let me try again. The difference is between being an authority and accepting responsibility for all the people you are boss of (Capricorn) and overpowering others and forcing them to do what you want them to do (Scorpio). Understand this is the extreme example of these energies, there are other things in a chart that will affect how both Capricorn and Scorpio energies come out. But it gives the basic idea. The Capricorn energy works its way up the ladder to become an authority step by step and, once at the top, expects everyone to accept that they are now the boss. Scorpio energy overpowers the ladder and controls those around them, and expects everyone to do what they want because of Scorpio's power. This is the difference between authority (Capricorn) and power (Scorpio).

Explaining the differences,

Tim

I live in a Scorpio Moon (me) & Capricorn Moon (my boyfriend) household ~ we each have our defined areas of 'expertise' & we do tease each other, playfully, by telling each other that, "I could/will do that better than you" ~ "my way is best & yours is horrible", etc. ~ but we both know that one of the main reasons we are together is that we are both mutually strengthened by each other's challenges to our accepted perspective (there's enough similarities there, too) & when we stumble upon the win-win situation, during our wranglings and/or we are able to put down our own viewpoint, for a second & catch a glimpse of what the other sees ~ it is like *magic* :)

love all-ways,
mem

riptide, what you said is interesting and lots of these ring true.

To me persoanlly, it is harder to satisfy cap moon because they want perfection, and they constantly judge people in their mind. Scorp moons want absolute loyalty and proof of it. Cap moons give people more pressure in a subtle way. The safest way to get along with a cap moon is to keep a distance.

Lady Saber Thanks for sharing the experience. Tthe cap moon couples I've seen appear polite when they talk to each other, very respectable . Their lives are regular and stable. Thanks for sharing again.

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The whole "who is boss" issue happens when we are dealing with moons quite different from ours. Otherwise it's an ebb and flow of who takes charge and who follows, no coercion, nothing to prove, really.
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It is good that you can negotiate your terms effectively about who is boss with each other.

I would be a prime candidate for that "who is boss" issue wouldn't I - not to bring myself into it unnecessarily - this isn't a place to be vain and talk only from our own experiences, I realize ... although I am guilty of it at times. It can be hard to fully escape from one's own perspective and experience.

In my inner movie-fantasy big, bad papa Scorp have this final showdown with the deranged leo-twins called Leonidas & Leon; Papa just laugh his sepulchre-laughter at these two fumbling village-idiots that never did realize just whos pantry they raided:

Papa: "-SO YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD MUNCH ON MAH MEATBALLS, HUH?"
leo-twins: "-Were sorry Papa, we apologize..."
Papa: "-YOUSE ARE TOO PATHETIC TO EVEN BOTHER WITH, GET OUT OF MY SIGHT!"

Joakim is new to tribe it seems, and has no friends in his profile. Hmmmm....

Our Swedish friend seems to be under the impression that the Meatball is a sign in the Zodiac, and is the only one of any value. Being a Meatball himself, this makes sense.

I like Joakim. He has a great sense of dry humour that no one seems to notice.

The reason some Caps get elevated on a throne is because the surroundings don´t realize what a dull, humourless dictator they allowed to rule their workdays. BAD MISTAKE! Some folks perhaps should go and bore their fellow goats with lots of pompous rubbish...

The safest way with cap moon is to keep a distance. Only they can come to people, people can go to them only with their permission.

<Furthermore, I wouldn't define ambition as the desire to improve your own circumstances, and I believe typical Saturnians don't, either. Ambition is the desire to push your own will on others, and gain recognition at the same time.>

I am not so sure that ambition is the desire to push one's will on others and gain recognition in the process. That may be some people's amibition, but it is not ambition itself. If you check Dragon's Jupiter/Ambition thread, you will see that the things that I listed as amibitions (as whacked as they are) have little to nothing to do with pushing my will on anyone ~ except maybe being a rare book thief <grin>. I think that one can be ambitious in terms of achieving a sense of self-fulfillment, which is certainly a daunting ambition, but doesn't necessarily involve pushing anyone around.

"Ambition is the desire to push your own will on others, and gain recognition at the same time."

I disagree. The best leaders do not push their own will own others, they lead by example in order for a certain circumstance or consequence to fall into place. By showing this cause and effect to their staff, not just by speech but also by action, they tend to bring out the best in their staff. Capricorn moons happen to enjoy recognition as a side effect of their leading by example. They are not glamour seeking people. They get the job done, and if they get some limelight for it, then great, but it's not the reason why they task themselves to the job. I think of all people, Capricornian moons tend be hardest on themselves; they tend to assume others' responsibilities or feel deeply the consequences of their team mates' actions even when it's not completely their fault. When a team mate flounders at a presentation, Capricorn moons tend to hit themselves over the head with what they could have done to help better prepare their teammate with the task rather than point fingers.

Well said Mantis.

*Sigh*

Capricorns are anything but arrogant, at least in my humble opinion. I think a lot of people are confusing an aire of superiority for their own insecurities. I have no need to control other people, nor do I want recognition. I just want to do my best. The Eastern interpretations of Capricorn seem to be a lot more accurate than popular Western interpretations, IMO. Capricorn suns are the most gentle and self-abasing people I've ever known. I like how they are responsible and level-headed, and Cap women are very sexy, (but expensive, lol).

I had a Capricorn girlfriend that was the life of the party, very social, funny, outgoing, and then on the way home she'd ask me if she seemed stupid or awkward. Despite her outward confidence, she was very soft and insecure underneath, but she had a hard time making friends with other women because she was so intimidating.

I think a similar dynamic is at play when people are threatened by my outward nature with a Cap moon. Underneath, I'm a fluffy bunny, just an ordinary vulnerable and imperfect human being seeking love and happiness like everyone else. I don't want to become some ultra-powerful corporate CEO who plunders everything willy nilly in a bloodthirsty b-line for world domination. Throughout my short existence, the only people who've thought I was arrogant or blindly ambitious were lazy, cowardly, irresponsible, insecure, or all the above. Not one of them could say it to my face.

Hitler and Ivan the Terrible had Moon in Capricorn, so I'm not saying that such natives aren't capable of having their share of faults. All I'm saying is that a Moon in Capricorn can manifest in a lot of different ways depending on placements and aspects. This thread is making many negative generalizations. Ms. Laux, no offence, but your posts here demonstrate how you really are only interested in validating opinions that verify your own emotional bias towards cap moon natives. For someone who's suggesting that cap moons are serious and cold, you seem to have us beat.

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I wasn't offended, just a little annoyed. Maybe it's my romantical Venus in Pisces view on people, but I choose to believe that all signs are equal, and that Capricorn Moon is just as desireable as Cancer Moon. I just have a hard time accepting opinions that downplay 1/12 of the human population.
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Cancer moon has its ups and downs all its own!
Emotional overload ... mothering motherliness .... these are things that I have to watch in myself.

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And I think you're twisting the concept of Caps needing respect. In fact, respect is not what we need. We need to feel useful. We need to know that we are contributing something, that we aren't draining others, or in some way making their life harder. The worst possible situation for a Capricorn is to be in a situation where they have no experience. Where Sagittarius's are excited at the new and unknown, we fear it. There's nothing we fear more than embarrassing ourselves. Recieving praise is a way to know that you're useful, but we never accept praise that we have received by manipulative means. Of course you would have to be a Capricorn yourself to validate this, but it's true nonetheless. You just have to trust my honesty. Whenever I receive praise, it's always my first reaction to put down my own contribution, either by giving the recognition to someone else, or by pointing out how easy it really is, or how bad I am compared to someone else.
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I don't know if I see praise and respect as the same thing ... praise seems to go with being above and beyond or somehow impressive ... respect seems to go along with things like dependability, leadership by example, being well qualified for a position, making consistently good decisions, doing what you say you will do ... things like that. At least that is how I see respect.

I think that the process of not absorbing praise in an ego-inflating way could relate to a level of respect for the team as a whole and the business, profession, field, or other greater goal or structure outside of yourself.

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My grandfather is a Capricorn Sun, and he once told me his outlook on work. He told me to always work hard so that my boss would hire me again. What he said is very typical a Capricorn. Instead of working hard enough not to be fired, you should work so hard that the boss see you as a valuable asset to his team, someone he would gladly re-hire in the future.
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To me this sounds a lot like my concept of respect. Your grandfather being respected and his work being respected because of his hard work. It doesn't sound like he is trying to get praise or get on top ... just trying to be not just hanging on but respected and valued by his boss - not like a star employee but like someone he can trust and doesn't regret bringing on board.

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Anyway, approaching people is not Capricorns forte, especially not us Capricorn moons. As I said, all the Capricorn moons I know, are shy. I can't remember when I was called cold for the first time, but I remember how shocked I was upon hearing it. Deep down I'm a silent little lamb, but I get the impression that I intimidate people, or make them feel awkward, so it's easy to just avoid them. There's sooooo many cute girls I have "avoided" because I didn't want to "blow it" by being too nervous around them, and I do this to other people to a lesser extent as well. The ultimate reason is because I don't feel adequate enough to face them, not because I don't respect them.
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I wouldn't say not approaching them is from a lack of respect for them ... maybe respecting yourself would be something to look at ... or maybe not ... but it would depend on the situation most likely!

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Have you considered the fact that maybe you are reading "us" wrong. First of all, we misrepresent ourselves a lot. I know two specific girls my age who tries to approach me now and then, but it's just... It feels like there's a mutual failure to connect with the other person. I'm not attracted to them, but I have a hard time to communicate with most people, unless we have something specific to talk about. Most people doesn't have this problem, and that's why my behaviour might be a little intimidating to them. To them, not wanting to initiate a conversation probably means something in the likes of: "I don't care about you, just leave me alone". But what is really going on is me panicking on the inside, because of not being able to pick up the handbook on how I handle these situations.
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It can be hard to expect ones self to get it right and perfect (mastered) the first time. Most folks are a bit forgiving and understanding of awkwardness because they understand that they went through a learning process, too (I said MOST hehe ... ) and can remember when they said the wrong thing or something like that when they see someone else going through it.

Last I checked the handbook doesn't exist ... but maybe I just didn't look hard enough or someone threw it away at some point in human history - who knows!

laux,

i was speaking more generally. seriously, different thread same crap... this thread is pretty much a repeat of what people think of any personal planet in cap... and the logical side if someone thinks a cap moon is attached to some overambitious, cold & calculating mode then where does that leave the sun (ego) attached to this sign. i just wanted to offer a little support since i am a proficient cap.


on another note...i find it unsettling to hear sign bashing, regardless of sign. i honestly cant say that any particular sign or planet placement sucks... there are some real asses out there, but most things in life are not black and white... most of the time it is nobodys fault, it is just this thing called incompatibility.

"Some people in this thread seem to think that my Cap moon instantly entitles me to the passwords and secret handshakes for all the Masonic Lodges, makes me a guest at the annual meeting of the Bilderbergers, gives me honorary degrees from Yale with Skull & Bones membership, puts me in the Council on Foreign Relations, allows me to fly free on the CIAs own private airplanes, gives me a direct line to Barack Obama's personal Blackberry, etc etc."

I don't think that of you. :)

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Some people in this thread seem to think that my Cap moon instantly entitles me to the passwords and secret handshakes for all the Masonic Lodges, makes me a guest at the annual meeting of the Bilderbergers, gives me honorary degrees from Yale with Skull & Bones membership, puts me in the Council on Foreign Relations, allows me to fly free on the CIAs own private airplanes, gives me a direct line to Barack Obama's personal Blackberry, etc etc.
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I love the dry humor hehe!

One other thing I should clarify. I said something about "due respect". I didn't mean glory and attention ... sometimes it can be glory and attention but it seems in my understanding to be more than that if it is that at all. It is more in my opinion to be something of an outward recognition of the ground rules and respect for the rules and recognition of agreed positions and systems ... recognition of order at times it can be ... but respect in general is not the same as ego inflation or pandering to a leader. It is just what it is ... respect. Commanding, expecting, and dealing in respect is not necessarily correlated with ego gratification or demands for attention or glory or anything like that. I think respect is something basic to all human beings. Expecting respect is nothing like being overly demanding or self absorbed. Respect is necessary for function in most human interactions.

That's good enough for me. It is interesting that you seem so sour on Cap moons in general though, being a Cancer and all. I know a crazy Cancer whom you suddenly reminded me of, but not every Cancer is a Crazy Cancer. Apologies for going overboard but you've irritated the hell out of me. Congratulations. I'm laying down my guns. At the end of the day, I don't care what you think.

I´ve seen the things I rant about in several goats, both on tv & in my personal life, many work that way. Virgo has no problems with zodiac bosses, but the Cap-style of leadership is often just a silent dictatorship. Caps characters are rarely inspiring & the thought of themselves walloving in secret self-praise is just too much!