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Do capricorn moon people claim power in a calculating way? I know a few capricorn moons, who are polite and serious and seem to keep a distance from others. They could open up to only the stupid and weak ones, who need help. They seem to constantly have competition with others for respect.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 11:23 PMDo capricorn moon people claim power in a calculating way? Probably everybody attempts to claim power in some calculating way or another. It's not Capricorn's fault; it's a human thing. -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 11:32 PMwell then crap, why bother with astrology at all, if everything is general to the human condition? its logic thingey. hee hee.
just sharin' some love so you wouldn't ferget i love ya!
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:08 AM"Probably everybody attempts to claim power in some calculating way or another. It's not Capricorn's fault; it's a human thing. "
I don't necessarily agree Sherpa, or at least I don't agree that getting power is a calculating thing. There are many instances when power is thrust upon somebody whether they wanted it or not. Many times people automatically hand over power to somebody who probably didn't want that power. Even in smaller ways imagine you amongst many of your friends and one of you wants to know which restaurant to eat at, undoubtedly there will be somebody that you all instinctively look toward to answer that question. This is a very minor example but it works on larger scales. There are many examples of someone thrust into the limelight and handed power that they never wanted. The converse is also true where somebody is handed over the power and responsibility who did not want either and is made a scapegoat out of.
Think of an Aries sitting on a train and an accident happens and the train crashes. Whilst the Libra beside him is going through different stages of shock the Aries will have already gotten up, headed for the exit and started evacuating. He may start issuing orders to people, getting someone to phone an ambulance, someone else to smash a window etc etc. He has TAKEN power, true, but it was not a calculated decision. It was instinctual. Aries acts and reacts to what is happening. Sometimes that is what people need and people will automatically hand over a great deal of power to Aries when that temperament is needed. At other times people will elect somebody to speak on their behalf - on behalf of the group. Perhaps that person will be Gemini. People sometimes recognise when someone else is best for the job and will hand that job to them and the power and responsibility that goes with it, without blinking. It is instinctual, especially during times when time is against them. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 10:01 AMsherpa: "Probably everybody attempts to claim power in some calculating way or another. It's not Capricorn's fault; it's a human thing. "
Paul <<I don't necessarily agree Sherpa, or at least I don't agree that getting power is a calculating thing. There are many instances when power is thrust upon somebody whether they wanted it or not. >>
LOL...you took my comment too seriously, Paul. My post was a facetious and sarcastic response to the initial post. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 2:48 PM"LOL...you took my comment too seriously, Paul. My post was a facetious and sarcastic response to the initial post. "
Oh. erm. yes ... that's right... I know that... yup...ok move along now...nothing to see...
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 1:50 AM'LOL...you took my comment too seriously, Paul. My post was a facetious and sarcastic response to the initial post''
then why did ya fucking bother? you are an asshole. We so need sarcastic and facetious astrology guru;s around here. If you have nothing to be taken seriously, shut the fuck up asshole. But then you won't, and wonder why people like myself comment. So come on, you pussy pandering asshole, add something of worth, or have no criticism when i come to be sarcastic with ya all. You teach people then shit on them afterwards, your astrology is not worth 5 cents, and i pity the idiot that would consult you. In the end, it means you are kinda more like me than not. And pity those who are too stupid to see the difference. Go on guru goody. Herd that shitty advice and input right off the nearest cliff, shepard of the reading impaired.
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 1:51 AMAnd off goes the pussy's light within 10 seconds of the post. Run. Its better for you.
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 9:44 AMBut do we all do it with such a relentless , emotionless demeanor. What happened to win-win?
Their actions, based on the 5 I know quite well, are considered and always for some unstated personal gain or agenda.
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 9:52 AMHmmm. Much of what I read here resonate with my son, age 12. He is Virgo sun 29' 59~ Cap Moon, 29' 59~Scorpio Asc 15'00.
He is resistant, resilient, and resourceful. Definitely seeks respect, but he has difficulty applying "proper" social behaviors.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 11:37 PM'Do capricorn moon people claim power in a calculating way? I know a few capricorn moons, who are polite and serious and seem to keep a distance from others. They could open up to only the stupid and weak ones, who need help. They seem to constantly have competition with others for respect.''
yes, capricorns claim power in BOTH a calculating, yet natural to their psyche's sort of way. they do get acclimated to having that power and control easily.
And they do indeed, have constant competions with others for respect - for a good reason - they usually came to their 'self-respect' by calculatedly stealing it - like the power and control they love - so they have an ongoing subconcious guilt - because they most likely did
do something unworthy. They can't quite get control of themselves to stop, but feel guilty eternally (or they would be a psychopath), cause
they can't quite - do - the - right - thing. EVEN if they can. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 1:14 AMa perfect example is a guy i knew, that lost his whole military career, because he just could not except the fact he was locked out of the basketball gym in the middle of the night, and had to break in to just play a game. cause he - just - had - to. they can be fun in the later parts
of their lives tho, when the rungs of life have been leveled somewhat. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 1:46 AMI have a 3rd house Capricorn Moon and that sounds pretty whacked Travis.
The thing is that it just comes naturally. Those that are in charge or in power just see our emotional stability, Siriusness (LOL), maturity and dedication to our work so they just naturally give us places of authority and responsibility. Those that know don't want to give power to someone that seems unstable or could not really handle the responsibility. We are quite often favored by older people who are in those positions already. We quite often are moved up way before those who have been there much longer. If there is any calculating, it is in us knowing that if we work hard and show our abilities we will be noticed by those who matter, as well as be ridiculed by those who are envious or do not share the same work ethics.
A strong Saturnian influence such as that greatly need a Jupiter influence to lighten it up a bit, and I was blessed enough to receive a 1º sextile to Jupiter in my chart. It seems to help things out a bit :) -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 1:52 AMi know it sounds whacked. even his father thot he was whacked. I, am whacked, in fact.
"the thing is that it just comes naturally."
thats what i meant by:
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yet natural to their psyche's sort of way.'
"We quite often are moved up way before those who have been there much longer""
and thats what i meant by:
""when the rungs of life have been leveled somewhat.''
anyway, dats my 2 cents, which are not worth much in the reptilian overlord world of today. :)
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 12:35 PMhey, i'm cap moon, first house jupiter too! pisces sun & mercury/cancer ascendant, so too sensitive & indirect to run for office or try to take over the world directly (!) though i *do* look to influence the collective unconscious with my ideas/art, however... cap moon maybe gives a determination & seriousness in these matters.
carry on then... :)
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 2:07 AMI have a Capricorn moon. I don't want power over other people, but I do want respect, and I earn it by extending respect to others. Cap moon people tend to extend respect to people who are unsympathetic and cannot reciprocate it. The Cappy Moon who seeks stupid/weak individuals is probably taking the shortcut to being the top of some food chain. It's a hard aspect in general, but it's just one example of how one may go about politicking. The individual's aspects and placements make a huge difference as well; not all Cappy Moons are alike. A well-developed Cap Moon can feed on much more substantial prey. (RIP, Dr. Christopher S. Hyatt, Ph.D.)
Polite, serious, distanced, yes, but you left out shy and insecure. It's charming when it ripens over the course of a lifetime, as it softens the ascent into confidence with modesty and understanding. But some buds never blossom, and the native stays in the larval stages of the Cap Moon personality development cycle until death.
One thing I've noticed: Cap Moon people tend to have mothers who gave the impression that she'd love us more if we were more rich and successful. Cappy moons need to cultivate self-respect without the need for external validation; that's when the rubber meets the road. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 2:41 AM"One thing I've noticed: Cap Moon people tend to have mothers who gave the impression that she'd love us more if we were more rich and successful."
noticed that too.
At work, cap moons follow all ethics stringnetly and they don't forget to correct others (maybe to show superiority or just can't stand it when others don't do the same). They look irritated by others quite easily, either with silence or look.
And between 2 cap moon lovers, they would be polite and respectable even formal towards each other even after many years together. They look distanced from each other. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 2:55 AM"At work, cap moons follow all ethics stringnetly and they don't forget to correct others (maybe to show superiority or just can't stand it when others don't do the same). They look irritated by others quite easily, either with silence or look."
Yes and no. I mind my own business and get my work done. I know I get irritated with others easily. Sometimes I wonder why I have to go through this whole human thing. I would've made a great tree or a mushroom or something...
"And between 2 cap moon lovers, they would be polite and respectable even formal towards each other even after many years together. They look distanced from each other."
Sounds like a cold combination. Maybe with other aspects going on, two Cappy Moons could warm it up a bit. Who knows... I'm sure stranger things have happened. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:00 AMLol @ Brendan wanting to be a great tree or mushroom. I can identify with the fact that Capricorn moons don't always want to be sociable, they just want to get down to business without all the niceties, which can get in the way of work and time!
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:08 AMI have few cap moons close to me. My observations is that they can be extreme workaholics and do strive to high position, but through their hard work. They do invest most of their energy in work area, but have some troubles in emotional department. They are caring and protective, but occasionaly turn ice cold and freeze blood in my veins. Also i noticed theyre pretty moody, and need to have everything under control
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 2:59 AMHmmm am a cap moon with a cap moon lover. We are hardly distanced, but a lot of that has to do with a very populated 1st house, by both synastry and composite charts. First house is the house of fatal love at first sight. Friends have often said how we always seem inseparable from each other even at parties. We are a very touchy feely couple which in essence is not very Capricorn moon. This could be because he is a Pisces man, and I have a lot of planets in Scorpio.
Capricorn moon people are also likely to have mothers who are not very available to them (emotionally or otherwise) at birth for a variety of reasons that include divorce, unreasonable ambition like what you said. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:50 AMthe capi moon couple I know are inseparable and they look dependant on each other, but there is great cultivated respect (that was the distance I was talking about) between them. They don't want to offend each other. They discuss everything when they make decision; making decision alone means disrespect. It looks as if they are so afraid of letting out any hint of disrespect. They don't tease or make fun of each other. (teasing for cap moons might mean disrespect). They don't want to give other people any chance to tease them. In a way, they are in control of everything. They do everything to prevent you from coming closer.
When they smile at you, you smile back, but when you want to have a broader smile or laugh, they withdraw. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:54 AMin a way, they decide when to make you talk to them, when to make you smile at them, when to listen to them. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 5:17 AMSome Caps think they can do what they like to other people, they act they way they find appropriate in a quiet way with disgusting, leering grins on their faces. Very passive-aggressive, fond of playing sick mind-games. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 5:48 AM"Some" other people with other signs behave the same way. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 6:08 AMmy mom has a cap moon and most of the negative stuff here doesnt even sound familiar. the only thing i can say is that she shows her emotions in a nondirect way. if i am upset or something is going on her reaction isnt to hug or give me comforting words, she shows me she cares by making my favorite meal or being extra nice to me.
i honestly dont think control issues are designated to planets placed in certain signs, potential may be there, but aspects created in the natal chart and how the person deals with this energy is more relevant. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 6:24 AMI think it's true that Cap Moons NOTICE the issue of who's in control, or in authority faster than any other Moon(same effect is probable with Saturn aspecting the Moon), but, ultimately, the house in which the Moon resides has the final word, together with planetary aspects.
My sister has a Cap Moon, but conjunct Mercury, and square Jupiter in Aries, and in the 7th house. She actually says that she has trouble accepting responsibilities, and making a commitment. And the love of diplomacy is very obvious in her energy. She's always careful not to offend anyone, and give everyone the benefit of the doubt. also, despite being ambitious, would never try to push herself over others, or impose her own will at all costs.
I think the Venus in Cap, and in the 7th, also has some say. She's tactful and graceful in social situations, making use of the cold, sharp perception of her Capricorn planets. -
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when astrological signs become overrated
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 10:23 AM<<but, ultimately, the house in which the Moon resides has the final word, together with planetary aspects. >>
Excellent point, Mantis. When I interpret entire charts, I also view House placement and aspects as far more significant than the Sign a Planet is in. A 1st House Capricorn Moon differs wildly from a 7th House Capricorn Moon, for example and if that Moon opposes Saturn or conjuncts Uranus, well, these will be altogether different Moons. Though the astrological Sign is important, I don't see it as equal in importance to Houses, Planets or Aspects. When any astrological Sign is invested with a priori status, without considering the House, Planets and Aspects, a kind of interpretive laziness sets in; precision is lost to generalization. -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 10:45 AM>>>No one said cap moons aren't social or don't like to talk. <<<
<<but, ultimately, the house in which the Moon resides has the final word, together with planetary aspects. >>
It is easier for me, personally, to look to the houses, as sherpa suggests.
My Son has Sun conjunct Mercury, 11th house. His Moon, Neptune and Uranus (all conjunct) trine Sun and Mercury from the 3rd house.
This child the most social person I have ever met. He wants to be with people *always*. He experiences his world and learns through a process of communicating and *sorting it out* with others. He does this with great intensity.... -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 11:10 AMcontinuing... : )
His intensity comes, I believe from his Scorpio ascendant, with 1st house Pluto at 0'5, trine Saturn and Mars. Mars is the focal point of a well defined kite. His chart is dynamic, and is very much a flip side or mirror image of my own....
people.tribe.net/1bcd04bf-...c0e890e589
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:16 PM"Mars is the focal point of a well defined kite."
Do you mean the moon?
He also has an 'interesting' T-Square with Sun, Saturn and Jupiter. -
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Re: when astrological signs become overrated
Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:49 PM"Mars is the focal point of a well defined kite."
Do you mean the moon?
I could easily be wrong here, but I thought the "focal point" of the kite was opposite the quiver of the arrow and string (sextiles), if we were looking at the kite as a crossbow...
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 6:25 AM"i honestly dont think control issues are designated to planets placed in certain signs, potential may be there, but aspects created in the natal chart and how the person deals with this energy is more relevant. "
I think I agree with this. Or at least this more so than the influence of one planet in one sign!
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 6:26 AMalso a good example of looking past moon signs & the importance of looking at the entire natal chart... my mom is very social, she has a gemini ascendant with mercury in leo in 3rd house... she loves to talk!
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 10:15 AMNo one said cap moons aren't social or don't like to talk.
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 6:24 AM"Some Caps think they can do what they like to other people, they act they way they find appropriate in a quiet way with disgusting, leering grins on their faces. Very passive-aggressive, fond of playing sick mind-games."
Yes that's true. And some are also very loving, caring and compassionate, but don't always know how to show it. Remember that Cancer is the other side of the axis. I know one or two leery caps who I don't particularly get on well with, but I probably know more who are warm-hearted and caring, but all of them are very much into career. The career part of capricorn seems very true to me, everything else is as likely to be found in any sign to lesser or greater degrees.
Seems like you've met a few bad apples. Not all the caps are like that! Sometimes Cap gets bitter because of hard knocks through life. With Saturn as their ruling planet, it can't always be easy. I think we can forgive them that! -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 7:44 AMcap moons are compassionate and nice, but they would never risk their authority over anything. They need to secure their power before they give compassion. Like I said, they decide when to make you smile, when to make you do what and when to make you feel guilty or happy.
Cap moons want to be leaders, whether they admit or not, every step is calculated towards that position, whether in family or at work.
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 9:04 AMMany Caps act like hyenas: sly cowards that avoid opponents of similar size, they prey on the weak & design their plans so they can take advantage of decent folks naive, trusting ways. Few can imagine that such putrid characters exist among them, it defies belief! "-No" is not an answer these vultures accept from anyone, they return sniffing again & again until their foul desires are satisfied. Perverse Caps are monsters found in the same bestiary as the worst Aquarians... -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:28 PMPerhaps I lack proper understanding of true goats? Maybe fear is speaking? Think there is some sort of jungle-cat that´s not very impressive to look at, but the natives know that that wee kitty is the meanest baddie in the jungle, due to it´s strategy to NEVER EVER STOP STALKING IT´S PREY! Some Caps must have been on safaris & really studied that furry monstrosity! (But perhaps the single Cap I rave about was insane, have that ever occured to me? Well, perhaps. Could be.) -
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 1:40 AMPerhaps I lack proper understanding of true goats? Maybe fear is speaking? Think there is some sort of jungle-cat that´s not very impressive to look at, but the natives know that that wee kitty is the meanest baddie in the jungle, due to it´s strategy to NEVER EVER STOP STALKING IT´S PREY! Some Caps must have been on safaris & really studied that furry monstrosity! (But perhaps the single Cap I rave about was insane, have that ever occured to me? Well, perhaps. Could be.)'
I tell people not to fucking poke the kitty, but they must insist, ergo, i must deliver. :) -
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 3:03 AM<CRUNCH>
That's the sound of biting into my grilled scorpion breakfast. Care to join him Joakim? -
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 5:04 AMSuddenly my inner fantasy, movie-world concerning the anti-hero big, bad papa Scorp reappears, I think he has put on his best rattler-boots & come to town to settle an old score with the fearsome Leo-brothers, big talkers with flashy ways that once tried to run Papa from his farm. Now he´s come back (from the dead?) to set things straight once & for all...I´m not sure how this action-drama develops, the whole thing is kinda hazy... -
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 6:54 AM<SQUISH>
That's the sound of Leo stepping on your inner fantasy.
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:27 PMI am a cap moon trine sun pluto uranus sextil neptun and septil saturnus and square venus in libra
my father is a cap moon too
my mother has asc in cap.....
well I notice my mother is hard and calculating sometimes---i dont like
but she shifts she is a cancer....so sometimes I love her more.....
yes I can be competitive lika my father and it can be tough
but generally I like competition and ambition
when I work I do it hard
I correct others easily too
I can erase negative emotions with a system....
I choose to be in power sadness is not a powerful state
as I tell a piscean friend
its an enigma for me that people stay in negative states.....
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:31 PMbut more important my moon is in my 4th house
thats make me not so psycopatic ;-) -
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Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:46 PMSweden? Köttbullar? -
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 1:39 AMare you saying naughty stuff in swedish? I hear there has been a rise in such activity with swedish tribe users. hmmmmm....
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 5:20 AMScorps in general should stack their fridges with "köttbullar", just add some lingonberry-jam & cook some "brunsås" in a pot, I´m sure most stingers will end that meal with a: "-WHY WEREN´T THERE ENOUGH OF THOSE LOVELY SCANDINAVIAN MEATBALLS & WHY WAS THAT DELICIOUS BROWN SAUCE NOT INTRODUCED TO ME EARLIER !!?" roar....
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 7:11 AMi think more about the word "mastery" than "control" when I think of capricorn.
I associate "control" more with scorpio for some reason and pluto.
Mastery may relate to others or it may just be self mastery or the mastery of some art or profession. Each capricorn entity is likely to define its own sphere of mastery probably highly related to the houses involved and aspects and things. Mastery is less about determining outcomes and toying with variables and more about knowing something inside and out and being in the right position to manage whatever sphere of mastery is in question. Managing from a position is slightly nuanced than controlling and manipulating by cause and effect in my opinion.
With the moon I often think of security. So capricorn moon may feel most secure when they are in that position of mastery within their defined sphere and there is probably a strong drive to achieve that. -
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I agree with this, to riptide
Sat, May 23, 2009 - 8:54 AMriptide,
You said:
"i think more about the word "mastery" than "control" when I think of capricorn.
I associate "control" more with scorpio for some reason and pluto."
I agree with this. Capricorn (and Saturn) energy is about being the "authority" or "the boss". But it's Scorpio (and Pluto) energy that is about things like "control" or "power". The difference is the Capricorn energy starts from a point of "I'm the boss so you have to do what I want you to do" while Scorpio energy starts from a point of "I have all the power so no matter what you want to do I will FORCE you to do what I say." If you have a boss who wants to the authority AND overpower their employees there is usually some type of Capricorn (and/or Saturn) and Scorpio (and/or Pluto) combination going on.
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Re: I agree with this, to riptide
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 6:58 AM<The difference is the Capricorn energy starts from a point of "I'm the boss so " while Scorpio energy starts from a point of "I have all the power so no matter what you want to do I will FORCE you to do what I say." >
Tim ~
Parsing this, I really don't see any distinction.
"you have to do what I want you to do" is really no different from "I will FORCE you to do what I say."
I also find that many Scorpio Moons are rather emotionally unconscious ~ unaware of what they are doing or why ~ more reactive than proactive, and reacting to an internal impetus that may have little to do with what is actually transpiring outside of themselves. -
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authority vs. power, to hermit
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:24 AMhermit,
You said:
"Parsing this, I really don't see any distinction.
"you have to do what I want you to do" is really no different from "I will FORCE you to do what I say." "
You are correct. Those weren't the best choice of words. Let me try again. The difference is between being an authority and accepting responsibility for all the people you are boss of (Capricorn) and overpowering others and forcing them to do what you want them to do (Scorpio). Understand this is the extreme example of these energies, there are other things in a chart that will affect how both Capricorn and Scorpio energies come out. But it gives the basic idea. The Capricorn energy works its way up the ladder to become an authority step by step and, once at the top, expects everyone to accept that they are now the boss. Scorpio energy overpowers the ladder and controls those around them, and expects everyone to do what they want because of Scorpio's power. This is the difference between authority (Capricorn) and power (Scorpio).
Explaining the differences,
Tim
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 2:13 AMThere's something wrong with my eyes. Every time I see 'Cap moon' I read : "CRAP moon". -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 2:47 AMritide, I agree with you. Cap moons want to be the boss. They don't control you, but they want to show you who is the boss, and they judge people.
Would it be hard for cap moon couples to live together as both want to be the boss and they would judge each other? Or in a house with cap moon and scorp moon, who would be the boss? -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 4:22 AMcap moon and scorp moon ... interesting question ...
It might depend on the houses the moons are in. Also, it is quite easy for cap moon to be boss with scorp moon in control. I have seen plenty of situations where one person is the official authority but someone else calls the shots.
This is a game that caps and scorps are both good at - finding out who is in authority and needs to be given due respect ... and finding out who is holding the cards and what they want. I should really pay more attention to these things myself ... instead I get all wrapped up in these silly ideals I get so attached to and the arian notion that I can take em all on as long as I am right and stay on my toes.
I should try to seriously be a bit more balanced in this (that's how I have learned a great deal about the difference between the scorp types and the cappy types - I hate to say it but I get into clashes with both types now and then with my flaming staunch idealistic arian directness and changeable slippery mutalbe pisces-gemini nature). With the capricorn types, I learn that as long as I play by the rules and give proper respect I can probably find a way to do what I want to do or get out of what I can't bear to do. With the scorpio types it isn't that simple. There is this sort of need that never gets satisfied by myself for them to think they own me or have me. There are things that they can't make me do that they won't let go of. With capricorn type energy I can usually cite some ordinances or precedents to get around something I am against doing. With scorpio type energy it is almost like a right of passage or test of loyalty that I must do what they ask or pay. This is harder to manage and doing so involves getting at their desires and motives ... but even attempts at this often fail to yield a possible solution when they get completely fixated on a desire of theirs that I simply cannot satisfy or allow. Then it is either submit, fight to the death, or get out of reach. I haven't found any other way when that type of control sets itself on me and the flaming idealism at the core of my being will indeed choose death over being extinguished. Capricorn management and bossiness is so totally different and easier to get around in my experience. Also, capricorn energy typically permits a certain level of distance and detachment that scorpio energy doesn't stand for. I can use this distance and detachment to create space for my ideals (as long as I can find a way to make them fit and follow with proper rule and procedure) in a way that close proximity to scorpionic energy doesn't permit. These are just my experiences with capricorn compared to scorpio and power/authority issues. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:33 AMI live in a Scorpio Moon (me) & Capricorn Moon (my boyfriend) household ~ we each have our defined areas of 'expertise' & we do tease each other, playfully, by telling each other that, "I could/will do that better than you" ~ "my way is best & yours is horrible", etc. ~ but we both know that one of the main reasons we are together is that we are both mutually strengthened by each other's challenges to our accepted perspective (there's enough similarities there, too) & when we stumble upon the win-win situation, during our wranglings and/or we are able to put down our own viewpoint, for a second & catch a glimpse of what the other sees ~ it is like *magic* :)
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:51 AMriptide, what you said is interesting and lots of these ring true.
To me persoanlly, it is harder to satisfy cap moon because they want perfection, and they constantly judge people in their mind. Scorp moons want absolute loyalty and proof of it. Cap moons give people more pressure in a subtle way. The safest way to get along with a cap moon is to keep a distance.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 5:22 AMMy man and I live together. But there's no one-upmanship here. I think if it's anything, we are comfortable in and around each other's space. We know when to withdraw, when to push and when to concede. I think if anything we are intuitive to each other's need to coccoon and recharge or re-strategise depending on the day's events, etc. Partly because we have the same north node and they are also conjunct by a couple of degrees. Our biorhythms and energy cycles are also the same. We even get hungry at the same times even when we haven't been spending the day together. The whole "who is boss" issue happens when we are dealing with moons quite different from ours. Otherwise it's an ebb and flow of who takes charge and who follows, no coercion, nothing to prove, really. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:01 AMLady Saber Thanks for sharing the experience. Tthe cap moon couples I've seen appear polite when they talk to each other, very respectable . Their lives are regular and stable. Thanks for sharing again.
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The whole "who is boss" issue happens when we are dealing with moons quite different from ours. Otherwise it's an ebb and flow of who takes charge and who follows, no coercion, nothing to prove, really.
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It is good that you can negotiate your terms effectively about who is boss with each other.
I would be a prime candidate for that "who is boss" issue wouldn't I - not to bring myself into it unnecessarily - this isn't a place to be vain and talk only from our own experiences, I realize ... although I am guilty of it at times. It can be hard to fully escape from one's own perspective and experience. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 7:28 PMI think that happens when you are both the same moon regardless of sign. Your biorhythms and emotional patterns and even your need for sustenance tend to mirror each other. The ebb and flow of who takes charge happens the same way too. But for Capricorn moons, I think of all the moon signs, we KNOW intuitively when to leave the other one alone, if he or she has been having a hard day and needs to recharge. Silence to us is not rudeness, is just a need to recoup and recharge.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 5:25 AMCome on, 95% of what's been written in this thread is just crap. Only the Capricorn moon's seems to know how we really are. I don't blame you though, it's not easy to really get to know a Capricorn, but all of this bashing is just offending my senses, not as a Capricorn moon, but as a human being. Having a capricorn moon is without a doubt the safest sign that you're shy. I know 5 people with Capricorn moon's including myself, and all of us are shy. You people don't have a clue how much we struggle with social situations, and most of the bad traits you mention are related to our social anxieties. The truth is, you don't really know what you're talking about at all. We don't want power in "that" sense. A Sagittarius for example have a whole different outlook on power than a Capricorn. We just don't want to get hurt. We're very similar to Cancer in that way.
Atleast in my case, it's true that I seek the weaker cliques or atleast those of lesser status, but that has nothing to do with me wanting to control them. It's just that people who have lesser status are generally more modest, so they aren't as likely to backstab or ridicule you. I just feel that I can lower my guard a little more around them.
Capricorn moons can definately tell minor lies to protect ourselves from embarrasment, but that's as far as our calculating ways goes. You have to remember that Capricorn is basically like the ultra-vulnerable/defensive Cancer, but with the earthy tone they are more attuned with today and what happens right now. The fear of losing opportunities is not equaled by any other sign, and with the moon involved, we fear emotional rejection more than anyone. That's why we struggle with social situations. Our instinctual defenses is too high for these situations. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 6:25 AMMost Caps are no real bosses, they perhaps rule things in their head. Morons are often stubborn & never know when to quit & pack the bags. There is something vile with attemps to establish "quiet authority", to assume everyone will behave according to their wishes just because they...won´t quit! Words of advice to goats: don´t bother scorpians with your fatherly, overbearing ways. Don´t knock on that door. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 7:01 AMAre you talking about Cap Suns or Moons? Or do you even distinguish between the two? -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:56 AMIn my inner movie-fantasy big, bad papa Scorp have this final showdown with the deranged leo-twins called Leonidas & Leon; Papa just laugh his sepulchre-laughter at these two fumbling village-idiots that never did realize just whos pantry they raided:
Papa: "-SO YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD MUNCH ON MAH MEATBALLS, HUH?"
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 1:47 PM<SQUISH, SQUISH, CRUNCH> Ooops! Now i have to clean up the floor ~ Meatballs and grilled scorpion mess here.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 7:09 AMThere is something vile about your attitude, Joakim. You need to let your cortex manage your thalamus or else everything you say or write just sounds like infantile fist-shaking. Please don't post anything until you can manage not to embarrass yourself.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 7:18 AMJoakim is new to tribe it seems, and has no friends in his profile. Hmmmm....
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:01 AMI like Joakim. He has a great sense of dry humour that no one seems to notice. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:43 AMI didn't say anything about not liking him. I am, just as many other people are, rather fond of Meatballs. I don't like Meatballs to be too dry, but their round, ping pong ball-like appearance is certainly humorous, and I have noticed this. His posts in Swedish are also highly entertaining. He also does an excellent job of providing source attributions for his insightrul posts of astrological glyphs, so clearly he is quite a scholar. All this, combined wtih his tremendous native charm and highly developed social skills, certainly endears him to me.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:34 AMThe reason some Caps get elevated on a throne is because the surroundings don´t realize what a dull, humourless dictator they allowed to rule their workdays. BAD MISTAKE! Some folks perhaps should go and bore their fellow goats with lots of pompous rubbish... -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:49 AMladysaber,
i completely agree with you... i also think caps are much more critical with themselves then with others :-)
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:34 AM"Most Caps are no real bosses, they perhaps rule things in their head. Morons are often stubborn & never know when to quit & pack the bags. There is something vile with attemps to establish "quiet authority", to assume everyone will behave according to their wishes just because they...won´t quit! Words of advice to goats: don´t bother scorpians with your fatherly, overbearing ways. Don´t knock on that door."
Joakim, I agree that some scorps might not be happy with cap moons' quiet authority. Cap moons usually estalish that authority with cold silence, which tells people that they've crossed over the line. But people usually don't know where the line is because it is in the head of cap moon's head. They make the rule and have little tolerance for rule breaking (they don't shout at you but you can feel it) -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:44 AMThe safest way with cap moon is to keep a distance. Only they can come to people, people can go to them only with their permission.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 7:01 AMThank you, Alex!
I'm a Scorpio with a Moon in Capricorn and I want power and authority like I want a sore ass. I have self-control, and I work hard to earn my place in the world like anyone else. My buddy is a Leo with a Capricorn Moon and he falls under none of the negative generalizations made in this thread – he's just a shy old lion. Both of us have mothers who seem to love us more if we are more successful and make more money. All in all, we seem to be much harder on ourselves than other people.
I've encountered people who are threatened by ambition, but they usually seem to be people who do nothing and feel entitled to everything. While other people are complaining, Capricornians roll up their sleeves and get the job done. We trade some pretty meaningless social exchanges for proactive responsibility. That's why we end up being the bosses, and others think we're cold and ruthless. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 8:27 AMRaises hand to being your own boss. I run my own PR consultancy.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 8:40 AM"I've encountered people who are threatened by ambition, but they usually seem to be people who do nothing and feel entitled to everything. While other people are complaining, Capricornians roll up their sleeves and get the job done. We trade some pretty meaningless social exchanges for proactive responsibility. That's why we end up being the bosses, and others think we're cold and ruthless."
I'd have to agree. But, I must say, until Saturn hit my AC by transit, while opposing my natal Sun-Venus conjunction in Pisces, that whole philosophy was just unthinkable to me-like the idea of little green men living on Mars. And that's largely because I refused to accept the reality of my own physical limitations, and kept thinking that "pigs might fly", like the bottom of my favorite mug says. And I STILL drink from the same mug, if you know what I mean..LOL
However, it's not Capricorns' desire to be excellent professionals and follow their ambitions that pisses people off. It's their airs of superiority and arrogance that does. Like I posted on my blog a few months back, I still think arrogance is a form of mental handicap that is crippling human society, and, unfortunately, most people who never practice any form of self-analysis or meditation suffer from it, to some extent.
And that's because it's mainly caused by lack of empathy, or lack of ego-control.
It's true that Capricorns get things done a lot faster, and maybe a lot better than most, but their presumption that the highest professionalism gives one the right to decide the fate of others, or to think in the name of others is disgusting. And, basically, it would get us nowhere if everybody thought like that-pretty much like it's getting us nowhere right now. Everybody thinks that everybody else on the planet is after the same things they're after, which leads them to conclude that if they get what they want, everybody else is bound to show awe and admiration for them, which is, of course, not true.
That way, Aries people think everybody wants a great, athletic body and a golden medal in gymnastics, taurus people think everybody wants lots of luxury items, and as much money as possible, together with a beautiful spouse etc..and that everybody else, that claims otherwise is in denial. That's how disrespect is bred, and, ultimately waste-waste of precious human resources.
Furthermore, I wouldn't define ambition as the desire to improve your own circumstances, and I believe typical Saturnians don't, either. Ambition is the desire to push your own will on others, and gain recognition at the same time. So, it's a much grander term-just think about the fact that Capricorn follows Sag on the Zodiac wheel, which is known as the most arrogant, over-enthusiastic, over-confident and snobbish of signs.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:08 AM<Furthermore, I wouldn't define ambition as the desire to improve your own circumstances, and I believe typical Saturnians don't, either. Ambition is the desire to push your own will on others, and gain recognition at the same time.>
I am not so sure that ambition is the desire to push one's will on others and gain recognition in the process. That may be some people's amibition, but it is not ambition itself. If you check Dragon's Jupiter/Ambition thread, you will see that the things that I listed as amibitions (as whacked as they are) have little to nothing to do with pushing my will on anyone ~ except maybe being a rare book thief <grin>. I think that one can be ambitious in terms of achieving a sense of self-fulfillment, which is certainly a daunting ambition, but doesn't necessarily involve pushing anyone around. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:45 AMi am a capricorn and i dont get what a lot of non-caps say about the sign. yes, i am ambitious but in an ward way. my ambitions lie in discovering myself. i have no desire for many of the material things in this world. i have done what i have had to do so i could do things i want to do. capricorns are about reality and it is definitely one sign that knows that there are consequences to their actions. i have no desire to control or over power people, only to live my own life without having to answer to a dozen people daily. i dont want a big house or expensive car. i think this bashing is sad and is just projection of people who are miserable with themselves. capricorns pretty much keep to themselves, give their warmth and love to those few that they are close to and just want to be left alone to do their own thing.
talk about empathy, compassion, or should i say any concern for consequences..... rarely do you see a cap coming onto tribe and at every chance saying something negative about another sign...how ridiculous just cause you know 1 or 2 or just studied a dozen from a far... nor do i think you will see one coming on creating post after post about what is wrong with their life, with no concern with the consequneces of their negativity, sucking people subconsciously into their unhappy shit with little relevance to "astrology."... to me that is pure ego, and lacking empathy.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:53 AMYes, makaranda. And the inward ambitions, imo, are the hardest ones to accomplish. It is highly likely that the Cap is the one who mostly competes with himself.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:27 AMI forgot to mention, of course, that I was discussing the general energy of the Cap influence.
anyway, I thought you had a Libra Rising, makaranda. that would explain the need to keep it fair and even.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:47 AM"i am a capricorn and i dont get what a lot of non-caps say about the sign. yes, i am ambitious but in an ward way. my ambitions lie in discovering myself."
cap sun is not the same as cap moon
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:48 AMmakaranda, i think you're so right......and it seems like part of the confusion with capricorns is their modesty. They don't seem to be overly flowery or criptic, so I think they have a little less of an opportunity expressing themselves. I've always thought its easier to communicate if you can be creative and imaginative, language seems really difficult when it falls outside of pragmatism. I love that we strive to communicate more subtle ideas with language, but part of me feels like its taken too seriously sometimes. I see capricorn to be focused on what works and what they can actually accomplish. They aren't going to inspire you with their words, ideas or charm. They will SHOW you what they can do. .they're so good at making things understandable through their actions. capricorn along with aquarius have always been my favorite signs, and my longest friendships... Ive always thought that its because they don't really try to make you think they're something they're not... they're so honest and straightforward and sometimes really in touch with their flaws that you don't try to expect too much from them...they're usually focused on their own vision and passion anyways, you can blame them for not being what you want them to be, usually its inspiring to be around them... I am probably bias too though... I think these personalities just work better for me -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:51 AMoh ....oops.. it should be CANT blame them for being what you want them to be...
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:30 AM"It is also true, however, that I have no planets in Capricorn in my chart. LOL! "
well, I have 3 of those..including the great Saturn himself, so I would know a little more about Cap vibes. Though, I'm not sure if the ambitions I have are driven by that little group, or by Pluto in Scorpio, all alone in my eastern hemisphere. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:08 AMNevertheless, my comment about your definition of ambition is not related to astrology as such.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:38 AM"Ambition is the desire to push your own will on others, and gain recognition at the same time."
I disagree. The best leaders do not push their own will own others, they lead by example in order for a certain circumstance or consequence to fall into place. By showing this cause and effect to their staff, not just by speech but also by action, they tend to bring out the best in their staff. Capricorn moons happen to enjoy recognition as a side effect of their leading by example. They are not glamour seeking people. They get the job done, and if they get some limelight for it, then great, but it's not the reason why they task themselves to the job. I think of all people, Capricornian moons tend be hardest on themselves; they tend to assume others' responsibilities or feel deeply the consequences of their team mates' actions even when it's not completely their fault. When a team mate flounders at a presentation, Capricorn moons tend to hit themselves over the head with what they could have done to help better prepare their teammate with the task rather than point fingers.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:36 AMwell, the best leaders are not necessarily ambitious, LadySaber. Think of Gandhi.
Besides, even if they were, doesn't mean that leading by example excludes the desire to have things your own way, regardless of others' opinions.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:56 AM"When a team mate flounders at a presentation, Capricorn moons tend to hit themselves over the head with what they could have done to help better prepare their teammate with the task rather than point fingers."
LadySaber, that's an example of will pushing. this is a pressure on the teammate, who probably already hit themselves over the head harder than cap moon. cap moons feel superior and this sense of superiority sometimes overshadows the empathy in them if there is any. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 6:50 PMI don't think that's an example of will-pushing. The onus is on the Capricorn moon to undertake responsibility, as to whether it is imposed on the teammate is a different story. Imposing = will-pushing. Undertaking the responsibility in this case is not will-pushing. I know several Capricorn moons who are more forgiving of others than they are of themselves. I am not sure on what premise you make the deduction that the 'floundering teammate hit themselves over the head harder than the cap moon'.
And Mantis, about 'there's nothing that says they wont manipulate/ bend rules when they are on the top', I don't know how you make that deduction either. I don't think there's anything that guarantees that they will manipulate or bend the rules when they are on top. Capricorn is an earth sign and a fixed on that is, and I think they tend to work within pragmatic parameters than manipulate which is probably the energy of Pluto/ Scorpio. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:04 PM"I don't think that's an example of will-pushing. The onus is on the Capricorn moon to undertake responsibility, as to whether it is imposed on the teammate is a different story."
Ladysaber, how would you feel if you made a mistake in team work and all other teammates hit themselves over the head and wonder what they could have done to prevent the mistake? They are very forgiving, but they want to win. It is not just cap moon's responsibility but everone in the team.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:48 PMYou've just imagined it, and you obviously only hear what you want to hear, Ms. Laux. One thing of note is that it is common for undeveloped people to badmouth the sign opposite their own sun sign. In this case I seem to remember saying you had a Cancer Sun, which explains much about your poo poo attitude about Cap moons. Isn't it a pity that not everyone meets your particular standards of perfection, Ms. Laux? Life isn't all you thought it would be, is it? Do you need a shoulder to cry on? Do you need help coping with the gravity of the situation?
All this scorpio and capricorn bashing got me thinking. Capricorn's Tarot card is the Devil, and Scorpio's card is Death. No wonder these archtypes make the larval-headed townspeople of eld run for their pitchforks and torches. If everything that's been posted in this thread is true, I would've already tried invading Poland by now.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:49 PMCappy moons don't show hitting themselves over the head publicly. Showing that publicly is just pushing your will upon others in hope of manipulating others. We are also practical people, we know if a mistake has been made, it has been made. If it can be salvaged, you can trust that Cappy moons will salvage it. Otherwise, we take the lesson learnt from it, move on, and apply it differently in order to avoid making the same mistake again. Superiority, glamour is a side effect for some Cappy moons who do a job well. For me, it's about getting the job done in the best possible way, regardless of my ego or others. There are clear and set objectives.
That said, Cappy moons don't take well to compliments either. Perhaps a Leo or Aries moon are better at being in the limelight than us.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:38 PM<Capricorn is an earth sign and a fixed on that is....>
Capricorn is the cardinal earth sign. Taurus is the fixed earth sign. But I don't think that takes away from your point.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:10 AM"well, the best leaders are not necessarily ambitious, LadySaber. Think of Gandhi.
Besides, even if they were, doesn't mean that leading by example excludes the desire to have things your own way, regardless of others' opinions.
Leading by example could be a great strategy, fit for the patient, hard-working, risk-loathing sign of Capricorn, just like any other strategy of reaching a position of power, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't bend the rules once at the top."
I completely agree with you mantis. I don't necessarily see the correlation between leadership ability and ambition, it presume that the only ambition is to lead people, but of course that is not necessarily true. It might be true for Lady Saber though, which might be interesting. I personally see the MC and 10th House as being what we 'aspire' to, in some ways our personal ambitions. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:59 PMyes I kind of agree but what is the distinction?
We are the best ;-)
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 5:31 PMNo...More like We do the job. How they feel about it is going to depend on how the "job" fits into the overall success of the business ~ because it is about the business, not about the ego independent of the success of the whole, dude ~ there is no real success for them if the whole isn't succeeding is what I get from them.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:07 AM"I disagree. The best leaders do not push their own will own others, they lead by example in order for a certain circumstance or consequence to fall into place."
yes but I think it is important to divorce 'leadership ability' from 'ambition'. Ambition is the desire to further your own circumstances with a connotation of a certain degree of ruthlessness if left unchecked. It is simply the desire to achieve something currently beyond your ability to achieve. I do not think that forcing your upon others or leading by example necessarily figure into this. They MIGHT in some circumstances, but it is not a rule of amibtion to either be able to lead by example, or any other way, or to force your will upon others. A certain amount of ambition is necessary if we're to do anything in our lives, but too much can lead to ruthless selfishness. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 7:03 PMAmbition is not ruthless when everyone is genuinely supporting you of that same cause, or at the very least is able to benefit in some way from it. Otherwise it's just the iron fist at work. Iron fists do not work well in this day and age when people are knowledgeable empowered and intelligent. Cappy moons who use manipulation and "I am boss attitude so listen to me otherwise I throw you into the dungeon" outwardly are risking mutiny. Cappy moons don't like this as it is disruptive.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:55 AM*Sigh*
Capricorns are anything but arrogant, at least in my humble opinion. I think a lot of people are confusing an aire of superiority for their own insecurities. I have no need to control other people, nor do I want recognition. I just want to do my best. The Eastern interpretations of Capricorn seem to be a lot more accurate than popular Western interpretations, IMO. Capricorn suns are the most gentle and self-abasing people I've ever known. I like how they are responsible and level-headed, and Cap women are very sexy, (but expensive, lol).
I had a Capricorn girlfriend that was the life of the party, very social, funny, outgoing, and then on the way home she'd ask me if she seemed stupid or awkward. Despite her outward confidence, she was very soft and insecure underneath, but she had a hard time making friends with other women because she was so intimidating.
I think a similar dynamic is at play when people are threatened by my outward nature with a Cap moon. Underneath, I'm a fluffy bunny, just an ordinary vulnerable and imperfect human being seeking love and happiness like everyone else. I don't want to become some ultra-powerful corporate CEO who plunders everything willy nilly in a bloodthirsty b-line for world domination. Throughout my short existence, the only people who've thought I was arrogant or blindly ambitious were lazy, cowardly, irresponsible, insecure, or all the above. Not one of them could say it to my face.
Hitler and Ivan the Terrible had Moon in Capricorn, so I'm not saying that such natives aren't capable of having their share of faults. All I'm saying is that a Moon in Capricorn can manifest in a lot of different ways depending on placements and aspects. This thread is making many negative generalizations. Ms. Laux, no offence, but your posts here demonstrate how you really are only interested in validating opinions that verify your own emotional bias towards cap moon natives. For someone who's suggesting that cap moons are serious and cold, you seem to have us beat. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:15 AM"Ms. Laux, no offence, but your posts here demonstrate how you really are only interested in validating opinions that verify your own emotional bias towards cap moon natives. For someone who's suggesting that cap moons are serious and cold, you seem to have us beat."
I am not sure if it was my "emotional bias" but I haven't had this "emotional bias" with other moons. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:56 AMLaux:
Maybe it's not your karmic destiny to dig the Cap moon energy in any of its myriad permutations. If there wasn't place in the world for people such as myself, the moon would skip Capricorn altogether. Unfortunately, we're here, we're queer, and you might as well get used to it. On the bright side, there are many other people out there that can be your friend.
I can't help thinking that your narrow focus on the negative aspects of the Cap moon is throwing a lot of babies out with the proverbial bathwater, but it's your loss. I doubt many Cap moon folks would be too upset if you stopped returning their calls. Just please don't continue using us as a reference. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:33 PMBrendan, I never associate the word "queer" with cap moon. I don't dislike cap moons.
There are many people sharing experiences here; I am not sure you pick on me because I started the thread or because my cancer placement makes you think I am sensitive enough to be bullied to stop saying my opinions.
"we're queer, and you might as well get used to it. On the bright side, there are many other people out there that can be your friend."
No one said you are queer. Are you trying to make decision for other people's life?
"I doubt many Cap moon folks would be too upset if you stopped returning their calls."
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:43 PMLaux ~
Perhaps Brendan is finding your scorp stellium provacative and is responding in kind.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:57 PM"Queer" used to mean strange, and that's what I meant in borrowing the expression. But yes, I was making the decision for other people's lives by making them "queer" in whatever sense of the term you wish.
I didn't try to manipulate you, but with your word-twisting crazy-cancer thing you seem to be doing a good job of trying to manipulate me, lol. You know what, you win, you're right, good job. I wouldn't want to bully around with your super scary scorpio stellium. You sound just like a poorly dubbed kung fu movie... Yeah, I'm on your side now, lol...
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:24 PMAh-ah! I got a Scorpio stellium sextiling my moon in Capricorn. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:32 PMI think the manipulation is more Scorpio. Capricorn pulls away from emotions and does things according to set objectives; the more that these objectives are outside of themselves, the better they are at it. Capricorn moons are crap at emotions, in comparison to Cancer moons, their exact opposites. Capricorn moons do not always know how to express emotion or how to deal with it. Like I said, the whole superiority and glamour thing is not quite Capricorn. They are bad at taking compliments always trying to downplay themselves. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 7:33 AMno we are not crap at emotions and cancers better at it....
cancers can be too emotional so there we are better....
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:22 AM"Having a capricorn moon is without a doubt the safest sign that you're shy. I know 5 people with Capricorn moon's including myself, and all of us are shy. You people don't have a clue how much we struggle with social situations, and most of the bad traits you mention are related to our social anxieties"
First of all, my apology if anything I said has offended you. It wasn't my intention. I am a cancer. I agree that capricorn moons are shy and much of what they do are aimed to protect themselves, but the extent that they need respect make them inevitably the boss or manipulator of all situations. They approach people when they feel like (I said when they feel like because I am sure they know I am safe to be with) and they turn cold for god know what reason. Perhapse people's "wrong" choice of time to initiate talk with them offended them or perhapse someone accidentally knocked off his pen. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 5:27 PMI wasn't offended, just a little annoyed. Maybe it's my romantical Venus in Pisces view on people, but I choose to believe that all signs are equal, and that Capricorn Moon is just as desireable as Cancer Moon. I just have a hard time accepting opinions that downplay 1/12 of the human population.
And I think you're twisting the concept of Caps needing respect. In fact, respect is not what we need. We need to feel useful. We need to know that we are contributing something, that we aren't draining others, or in some way making their life harder. The worst possible situation for a Capricorn is to be in a situation where they have no experience. Where Sagittarius's are excited at the new and unknown, we fear it. There's nothing we fear more than embarrassing ourselves. Recieving praise is a way to know that you're useful, but we never accept praise that we have received by manipulative means. Of course you would have to be a Capricorn yourself to validate this, but it's true nonetheless. You just have to trust my honesty. Whenever I receive praise, it's always my first reaction to put down my own contribution, either by giving the recognition to someone else, or by pointing out how easy it really is, or how bad I am compared to someone else.
My grandfather is a Capricorn Sun, and he once told me his outlook on work. He told me to always work hard so that my boss would hire me again. What he said is very typical a Capricorn. Instead of working hard enough not to be fired, you should work so hard that the boss see you as a valuable asset to his team, someone he would gladly re-hire in the future.
Anyway, approaching people is not Capricorns forte, especially not us Capricorn moons. As I said, all the Capricorn moons I know, are shy. I can't remember when I was called cold for the first time, but I remember how shocked I was upon hearing it. Deep down I'm a silent little lamb, but I get the impression that I intimidate people, or make them feel awkward, so it's easy to just avoid them. There's sooooo many cute girls I have "avoided" because I didn't want to "blow it" by being too nervous around them, and I do this to other people to a lesser extent as well. The ultimate reason is because I don't feel adequate enough to face them, not because I don't respect them.
Have you considered the fact that maybe you are reading "us" wrong. First of all, we misrepresent ourselves a lot. I know two specific girls my age who tries to approach me now and then, but it's just... It feels like there's a mutual failure to connect with the other person. I'm not attracted to them, but I have a hard time to communicate with most people, unless we have something specific to talk about. Most people doesn't have this problem, and that's why my behaviour might be a little intimidating to them. To them, not wanting to initiate a conversation probably means something in the likes of: "I don't care about you, just leave me alone". But what is really going on is me panicking on the inside, because of not being able to pick up the handbook on how I handle these situations.
What I'm saying is, what you're seeing is merely a illusion, it's a protective shield we put on. Shyness is the feeling of being inadequate, and what is the most important to a Capricorn? To be useful! Well, it's no wonder why we try so hard to hide our shyness behind a cold mask. Maybe that's the problem... Seriously, if I knew how to handle these anxieties I wouldn't even study astrology. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
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I wasn't offended, just a little annoyed. Maybe it's my romantical Venus in Pisces view on people, but I choose to believe that all signs are equal, and that Capricorn Moon is just as desireable as Cancer Moon. I just have a hard time accepting opinions that downplay 1/12 of the human population.
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Cancer moon has its ups and downs all its own!
Emotional overload ... mothering motherliness .... these are things that I have to watch in myself.
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And I think you're twisting the concept of Caps needing respect. In fact, respect is not what we need. We need to feel useful. We need to know that we are contributing something, that we aren't draining others, or in some way making their life harder. The worst possible situation for a Capricorn is to be in a situation where they have no experience. Where Sagittarius's are excited at the new and unknown, we fear it. There's nothing we fear more than embarrassing ourselves. Recieving praise is a way to know that you're useful, but we never accept praise that we have received by manipulative means. Of course you would have to be a Capricorn yourself to validate this, but it's true nonetheless. You just have to trust my honesty. Whenever I receive praise, it's always my first reaction to put down my own contribution, either by giving the recognition to someone else, or by pointing out how easy it really is, or how bad I am compared to someone else.
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I don't know if I see praise and respect as the same thing ... praise seems to go with being above and beyond or somehow impressive ... respect seems to go along with things like dependability, leadership by example, being well qualified for a position, making consistently good decisions, doing what you say you will do ... things like that. At least that is how I see respect.
I think that the process of not absorbing praise in an ego-inflating way could relate to a level of respect for the team as a whole and the business, profession, field, or other greater goal or structure outside of yourself.
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My grandfather is a Capricorn Sun, and he once told me his outlook on work. He told me to always work hard so that my boss would hire me again. What he said is very typical a Capricorn. Instead of working hard enough not to be fired, you should work so hard that the boss see you as a valuable asset to his team, someone he would gladly re-hire in the future.
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To me this sounds a lot like my concept of respect. Your grandfather being respected and his work being respected because of his hard work. It doesn't sound like he is trying to get praise or get on top ... just trying to be not just hanging on but respected and valued by his boss - not like a star employee but like someone he can trust and doesn't regret bringing on board.
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Anyway, approaching people is not Capricorns forte, especially not us Capricorn moons. As I said, all the Capricorn moons I know, are shy. I can't remember when I was called cold for the first time, but I remember how shocked I was upon hearing it. Deep down I'm a silent little lamb, but I get the impression that I intimidate people, or make them feel awkward, so it's easy to just avoid them. There's sooooo many cute girls I have "avoided" because I didn't want to "blow it" by being too nervous around them, and I do this to other people to a lesser extent as well. The ultimate reason is because I don't feel adequate enough to face them, not because I don't respect them.
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I wouldn't say not approaching them is from a lack of respect for them ... maybe respecting yourself would be something to look at ... or maybe not ... but it would depend on the situation most likely!
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Have you considered the fact that maybe you are reading "us" wrong. First of all, we misrepresent ourselves a lot. I know two specific girls my age who tries to approach me now and then, but it's just... It feels like there's a mutual failure to connect with the other person. I'm not attracted to them, but I have a hard time to communicate with most people, unless we have something specific to talk about. Most people doesn't have this problem, and that's why my behaviour might be a little intimidating to them. To them, not wanting to initiate a conversation probably means something in the likes of: "I don't care about you, just leave me alone". But what is really going on is me panicking on the inside, because of not being able to pick up the handbook on how I handle these situations.
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It can be hard to expect ones self to get it right and perfect (mastered) the first time. Most folks are a bit forgiving and understanding of awkwardness because they understand that they went through a learning process, too (I said MOST hehe ... ) and can remember when they said the wrong thing or something like that when they see someone else going through it.
Last I checked the handbook doesn't exist ... but maybe I just didn't look hard enough or someone threw it away at some point in human history - who knows! -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:29 AMYou're right. Capricorn is all about respecting others, and making their lives easier. Capricorn is one of the least selfish signs in the zodiac.
The only bad thing I could say about Capricorn is that making things easier or being too professional can sometimes makes things less interesting. That's why some signs can have a hard time with their seriousness, but I really think it's a great sign. I have two main planets in Aries, one in Gemini, both signs being quite impulsive and I also have one planet in the spaced-out Pisces. My Capricorn moon is very good for keeping me grounded. It doesn't make me a better person, but it adds another layer to my character. People generally have a hard time to pick up my Aries qualities, because it's more subtle.
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can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 10:37 AMPlease note my original thoughts on this:
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Mastery may relate to others or it may just be self mastery or the mastery of some art or profession. Each capricorn entity is likely to define its own sphere of mastery probably highly related to the houses involved and aspects and things. Mastery is less about determining outcomes and toying with variables and more about knowing something inside and out and being in the right position to manage whatever sphere of mastery is in question.
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As many have highlighted - sometimes the sphere of mastery is simply YOURSELF. Sometimes the position of mastery taken is in social guardedness. But this is only one way that these things can be configured - yes a valid and non-domineering way - but still - unless I am misunderstanding - in a masterful way and in a way that positions you in a place of mastery of self or social interaction or whatever it might be.
Now - I did share with you later on some experiences I had with clashes with that authority in particular. But I was not trying to say that this authority clash happens all of the time or trying to drag anyone into my own personal problems. Hehe. See how my directness gets me in trouble alot? I crossed a line in my second post, I see ...
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i am a capricorn and i dont get what a lot of non-caps say about the sign. yes, i am ambitious but in an ward way. my ambitions lie in discovering myself. nor do i think you will see one coming on creating post after post about what is wrong with their life, with no concern with the consequneces of their negativity, sucking people subconsciously into their unhappy shit with little relevance to "astrology."... to me that is pure ego, and lacking empathy.
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Yes - an inward ambition is very much something I see as capricorn. I am sorry to have made you feel I was trying to suck you into something from sharing my experiences with clashing from time to time with capricorn energy because of my foolish directness. I wasn't meaning to make any of it your problem or anything! Just letting people know where I am coming from a bit.
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We trade some pretty meaningless social exchanges for proactive responsibility. That's why we end up being the bosses, and others think we're cold and ruthless.
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Well, I never said that I think you are cold and ruthless - I don't think. Also, keep in mind that I tried (at least I attempted it) to be making statements about "capricorn energy" - I am not really judging people. I have some capricorn energy myself that holds me together and keeps me quite guarded and in a position of mastery over myself and my home and whatever sphere I take responsibility for. When other people happen to enter into that sphere they get to deal with my authority - yes - but otherwise it isn't like I am trying to control everything I can or anything. And it isn't cold or calculating or cruel - but it is like a knowing things inside and out and upholding definite groundrules thing. The authority will show up when people enter the spheres of my perceived responsibility. But as I was trying to say, there is a difference between authority and mastery versus control and power. I really don't think it is about control and power as I have said before.
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but all of this bashing is just offending my senses, not as a Capricorn moon, but as a human being. Having a capricorn moon is without a doubt the safest sign that you're shy. The truth is, you don't really know what you're talking about at all. We don't want power in "that" sense. A Sagittarius for example have a whole different outlook on power than a Capricorn. We just don't want to get hurt. We're very similar to Cancer in that way.
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I think this is definitely one way that I have seen capricorn energy show up. (Again I'm not talking about just capricorn people here or capricorn suns or moons or whatever). This guardedness seems to me to be just one possible way of mastering self and a particular sphere of life - the social sphere.
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Atleast in my case, it's true that I seek the weaker cliques or atleast those of lesser status, but that has nothing to do with me wanting to control them. It's just that people who have lesser status are generally more modest, so they aren't as likely to backstab or ridicule you. I just feel that I can lower my guard a little more around them.
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I wasn't meaning to ridicule you! I hope I didn't come off that way.
Yes - it is true that I have had my clashes with authority (not that I try to do this).
But I am not saying that these specific instances are my only basis for understanding capricorns and scorpios. HOWEVER - these experiences have taught me the difference between capricorn authority and mastery vs scorpionic control and power struggle. -
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:01 AMriptide,
my post was in reaction to nothing that you posted. i have never had a problem with any of your postings on here or on other tribes. i always enjoy reading your posts regardless of whether i share your point of view. or not... you have a very whimsical, flowy, gentle kind of communication :-)
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:15 AMlaux,
i was speaking more generally. seriously, different thread same crap... this thread is pretty much a repeat of what people think of any personal planet in cap... and the logical side if someone thinks a cap moon is attached to some overambitious, cold & calculating mode then where does that leave the sun (ego) attached to this sign. i just wanted to offer a little support since i am a proficient cap.
on another note...i find it unsettling to hear sign bashing, regardless of sign. i honestly cant say that any particular sign or planet placement sucks... there are some real asses out there, but most things in life are not black and white... most of the time it is nobodys fault, it is just this thing called incompatibility. -
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:25 AM"this thread is pretty much a repeat of what people think of any personal planet in cap... and the logical side if someone thinks a cap moon is attached to some overambitious, cold & calculating mode"
Makaranda, this is not what the thread is about. read my original post again. i do want people's opinions including cap moons' so I would know if I've misunderstood them. However, it happened that some people offered some insight that reminded me of my experience with cap moons.
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:34 AMriptide:
I appreciate your clarification. Your tact demonstrates what I love about Capricorn energy. My comment you were responding to wasn't directed at anything you had posted. I'm just trying to ward off some of these negative generalizations about Cap energy, (love the concept of 'Cap energy', btw; very functional semantics for astrological discussions...), which seems to be the same thing you're doing, lol... I'm no perfect friend with authority figures either, my cap moon notwithstanding, considering my Aquarius ascendant which is square uranus and a dozen other factors.
Some people in this thread seem to think that my Cap moon instantly entitles me to the passwords and secret handshakes for all the Masonic Lodges, makes me a guest at the annual meeting of the Bilderbergers, gives me honorary degrees from Yale with Skull & Bones membership, puts me in the Council on Foreign Relations, allows me to fly free on the CIAs own private airplanes, gives me a direct line to Barack Obama's personal Blackberry, etc etc.
I don't drink baby blood, I don't wipe me arse with $100 bills, I don't try and dominate everything and everyone, but it's probably all my fault that someone decided to put me in charge of all the other power-hungry imbeciles at my normal workaday job. It couldn't be that I take a lot of personal responsibility and have a good work ethic or anything, it's just my attitude of superiority that brings home the bacon. After all, it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that my bosses can sleep well at night knowing I'm on the job.
Too much espresso, apologies for the rant, lol...
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:43 AM"Some people in this thread seem to think that my Cap moon instantly entitles me to the passwords and secret handshakes for all the Masonic Lodges, makes me a guest at the annual meeting of the Bilderbergers, gives me honorary degrees from Yale with Skull & Bones membership, puts me in the Council on Foreign Relations, allows me to fly free on the CIAs own private airplanes, gives me a direct line to Barack Obama's personal Blackberry, etc etc."
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 12:16 PM"Some people in this thread seem to think that my Cap moon instantly entitles me to the passwords and secret handshakes for all the Masonic Lodges, makes me a guest at the annual meeting of the Bilderbergers, gives me honorary degrees from Yale with Skull & Bones membership, puts me in the Council on Foreign Relations, allows me to fly free on the CIAs own private airplanes, gives me a direct line to Barack Obama's personal Blackberry, etc etc."
This was in response to one of Mantis' post. The part about how capricorn energy and ambition leads to the corporate domination of the world cut me really deep, (Ouchy, Mantis! That stung!). I'm an anarchist for crying out loud! I'd rather drive a used Camry than a BMW. Yet, I'm being herded into this generalization that my ambition could never manifest itself as Ghandi's civil disobedience and passive resistance for a noble but non-materialistic gain. No, my ambition can only be heartless, greed-driven, and bent on receiving praise, status, and recognition because my moon is in capricorn. A lot of things that are being suggested here aren't necessarily true, and many of them are the opposite of everything I am, mind-body-soul. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 12:26 PM"I'm an anarchist for crying out loud! I'd rather drive a used Camry than a BMW. "
But are you an anarchist intent upon world domination!!!???? Huh?!?? You can't hide it from us! We know your sort!!!
You secretly drink baby's blood and sacrifice small goats and children to Pan and other evil gods so as to increase your material power! You probably rejected the Bilderberger group and Skull & Bones because they weren't ambitious enough for you! Oh yes, we know your sort, bloody crapicorn moon!!!!
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 2:00 PM"You probably rejected the Bilderberger group and Skull & Bones because they weren't ambitious enough for you! Oh yes, we know your sort, bloody crapicorn moon!!!! "
Ah, levity... it salves the Caprciorn heart. Thanks, Paul, I needed that.
And yes, I did reject those groups for their lack of ambition. I bested them all like a one-man Ocean's 11 and secretly hold the world hostage in collective slavery. Watch, I'll make Bill Clinton go streaking on Tuesday just to prove my point. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 2:12 PMPlease spare us, mighty Cap. We got enough of that just hearing about what he was doing in the Oval Office during his administration. I still have to live down the fact that he and I share the same birthday.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 2:28 PM"Watch, I'll make Bill Clinton go streaking on Tuesday just to prove my point. "
I thought you were buying out all the major banks on Tuesday? Better make it Wednesday instead, you have a gap in your schedule, right between Funding Mind Control Project and Shutting Down Unprofitable Orphanage.
"Ah, levity... it salves the Caprciorn heart. Thanks, Paul, I needed that. "
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 2:33 PMSwedish meatballs, anyone? Um. And these are not the ones I dropped and stepped on.
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Re: can I request a truce?
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Some people in this thread seem to think that my Cap moon instantly entitles me to the passwords and secret handshakes for all the Masonic Lodges, makes me a guest at the annual meeting of the Bilderbergers, gives me honorary degrees from Yale with Skull & Bones membership, puts me in the Council on Foreign Relations, allows me to fly free on the CIAs own private airplanes, gives me a direct line to Barack Obama's personal Blackberry, etc etc.
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I love the dry humor hehe!
One other thing I should clarify. I said something about "due respect". I didn't mean glory and attention ... sometimes it can be glory and attention but it seems in my understanding to be more than that if it is that at all. It is more in my opinion to be something of an outward recognition of the ground rules and respect for the rules and recognition of agreed positions and systems ... recognition of order at times it can be ... but respect in general is not the same as ego inflation or pandering to a leader. It is just what it is ... respect. Commanding, expecting, and dealing in respect is not necessarily correlated with ego gratification or demands for attention or glory or anything like that. I think respect is something basic to all human beings. Expecting respect is nothing like being overly demanding or self absorbed. Respect is necessary for function in most human interactions. -
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Re: can I request a truce?
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 12:01 PM"Commanding, expecting, and dealing in respect is not necessarily correlated with ego gratification or demands for attention or glory or anything like that. I think respect is something basic to all human beings. Expecting respect is nothing like being overly demanding or self absorbed. Respect is necessary for function in most human interactions."
Capt. Kirk, we have found intelligent life! *dance of joy!*
I'm glad your here contributing to this discussion, riptide...
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 8:02 AMwow i have 4 placements in capricorn and that felt so right for me, especially my rising..
many times i act really cold and aloof for no reason, and than i feel like an idiot later, torturing myself wishing that i was more outgoing in certain situations. its hard cos caps are judge themselves so harsh..
i dont think caps can be related with search for status (geez..), or this power stuff, i dont want no power, its more a search for respect and sophistication, refinement
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 2:30 PMthat was to alex´s post btw lol
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 12:57 PMWhat strikes me about my own cap planets (no moon there though) is a innate feeling of superiority. I smell that same feeling of superiority in some of the cap moon owners posts here. Cap may be shy (I prefer to call it 'very much not at ease in social situations') and may choose to keep a low profile for the sake of not getting too much damned attention - here comes shy again - but all the time there is this feeling of superiority. Caps are not humble. I know quite a few cap men who explicitly need a beauty queen for a partner "because they deserve it" and hey, they cannot spend their lives looking at an ordinary ugly face!
I'm sure there must be many hard working caps who truly deserve some respect and so on. However, I myself didn't do anything noteworthy and still have this overall sense of superiority. It has been there all my life, just because I was best of my class (sometimes, once) and received some praise.
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Re: superiority
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 3:13 PMPerhaps that´s why so many of them think they can pester others, walk into their livingrooms like they owned the place & put their smelly hooves on the sofa? Those smug Cap-faces really are hideous, oh the satisfaction they get from behaving like the superior masters(!) some of the dullards imagine themselves to be! Just don´t do it in my presence, it could result in other types of facial expressions then the smug one... -
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Re: superiority
Sun, May 24, 2009 - 11:34 PMBrendan,
"You've just imagined it, and you obviously only hear what you want to hear, Ms. Laux. One thing of note is that it is common for undeveloped people to badmouth the sign opposite their own sun sign. In this case I seem to remember saying you had a Cancer Sun, which explains much about your poo poo attitude about Cap moons. Isn't it a pity that not everyone meets your particular standards of perfection, Ms. Laux? Life isn't all you thought it would be, is it? Do you need a shoulder to cry on? Do you need help coping with the gravity of the situation? "
undeveloped people? poo poo attitudee? shoulder to cry on?
Bad mouthing us cancers? I started a thread here. You can agree or disagree. Or, you can keep YOUR old sickening manipulative way. (note that I said "your" instead of cap moons' because the entire cap moon clan doesn't deserve to be fouled by your individual manipulative smell.) Alternate between passive and aggressive, good job, Brendan. Did you say something about you being shy? -
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Re: superiority
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 12:24 AMThat's good enough for me. It is interesting that you seem so sour on Cap moons in general though, being a Cancer and all. I know a crazy Cancer whom you suddenly reminded me of, but not every Cancer is a Crazy Cancer. Apologies for going overboard but you've irritated the hell out of me. Congratulations. I'm laying down my guns. At the end of the day, I don't care what you think. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 1:34 AM"Apologies for going overboard but you've irritated the hell out of me."
Your passive aggressive apology accepted.
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:37 AMYes, thank you. Every once in a while it's good to wake up and smell my own foul manipulative odor. I regret not seeing the depth the your genius until now. All of your observations are 100% accurate. I'm going to pour myself a passive aggressive cup of coffee, read some self help books, and cut myself. Do you know any good life coaches that can brain-zap me back into an acceptable frame of mind? I'm going to need all the help I can get! -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:17 AMBrendan, your irritation really puzzles me. Is it typical for a cap moon? Do you people feel so high above everyone that no one is allowed to say anything nasty about your moon? If they would do the same to any of my planets, I guess I would either nodd or correct - if it was total nonsense. What's so terrible about being a manipulative, calculating miser? At least it makes you more interesting than holy saints. It makes you sort of human, doesn't it? Or is it perhaps a bit utterly scary to be sort of human? -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 9:12 AMNever heard of Cappy moon cutting themselves.
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Re: Inferiority
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 11:03 AMIt doesnt' puzzle me in the least. I think that Brendan is expressing a general exasperation that quite a few of us feel with shallow, unimaginative, hyper-generalizing types who post threads here mostly just to insult and rile folks and to pick fights. Go to a Cap Moon tribe if you want to troll those with this aspect. If you are not goiing to listen to people who contradict your pet biases, that's where you belong.
Even with my own antipathy toward Scorpio Moons, I am perfectly willing to be open to someone if a person with that aspect describes how the negative traits are not part of their core being, or how they overcome those negative traits, or how other aspects in the chart keep such things at bay, or any number of other things that can go into a person NOT being stereotypical, or even typical, of a generalized assessment. This is especially true when they clearly exhibit behavior and attitudes contradictory to a cookie-cutter appraisal.
Frankly, this thread has done more to show me the positive aspects of the Capricorn Moon from people who actually have this aspect, whereas the lame brains who started off and continue bashing them have done a great deal to earn my disrespect for them as people, regardless of their Sun, Moon, or any other sign their planets may possess. As for being human, these inflammatory types might do well to act a bit more like humans, and adult ones at that, themselves.
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Re: Inferiority
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 11:39 AMNo one is asking you to stay if it's too terrible for you here. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 1:15 PMLOL! Excuse me? To whom are you speaking? Certainly it can't be to me. You are too lightweight to even take semi-seriously. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 1:58 PMAmiablehermit, you said:
"LOL! Excuse me? To whom are you speaking? Certainly it can't be to me. You are too lightweight to even take semi-seriously."
I personally wouldn't even dream of speaking to someone too lightweight to even take semi-seriously. But then again I have a fulltime job, so I cannot spend the entire day behind my screen, bossing around everyone who isn't "amiable" to me, pretending I sort of own the place, creating hatered and negativity all over this tribe and still at the same time keep on wondering why people are so nasty to me... Apparently you put smiling self portraits on all your mirrors, and you turn into an imbecile as soon as Travis comes around. If you weren't so disgusting and vulgar, I'd pity you. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 2:23 PM<I personally wouldn't even dream of speaking to someone too lightweight to even take semi-seriously. But then again I have a fulltime job, so I cannot spend the entire day behind my screen, bossing around everyone who isn't "amiable" to me, pretending I sort of own the place, creating hatered and negativity all over this tribe and still at the same time keep on wondering why people are so nasty to me... Apparently you put smiling self portraits on all your mirrors, and you turn into an imbecile as soon as Travis comes around. If you weren't so disgusting and vulgar, I'd pity you.>
How nice that you have a full-time job, which I no doubt will have again at some point. Meanwhile, it is rather nice to be able to stay at home for a while and not sweat much financially.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time. -
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:15 AMBut you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Re: Inferiority
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 5:03 PMSurprise! Unsubscribed over here is some coward's alt. There's a new word for Webster's 2010.
alt (n), a: worthless coward who has to hide behind a hiding place in order to speak his/her mind
It's become obvious to me that worthwhile folks are out there, understand my ultimate point clear as a whistle, and now I'm just spinning my wheels with a few depleted chromosomes. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:53 AMBrendan, you wrote: "Surprise! Unsubscribed over here is some coward's alt. There's a new word for Webster's 2010.
alt (n), a: worthless coward who has to hide behind a hiding place in order to speak his/her mind
It's become obvious to me that worthwhile folks are out there, understand my ultimate point clear as a whistle, and now I'm just spinning my wheels with a few depleted chromosomes."
Why is that such a surprise? Everyone here knows I'm an alt of God; I stated that in my profile myself. Apart from that, I don't understand why you are so excited about my presence. Do you seriously think I could feel offended by your words? Come on! I've seen bigger shit than just some guy calling me names - we did that in kindergarten if I remember well.
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Re: Inferiority
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 12:11 PM>>It doesnt' puzzle me in the least. I think that Brendan is expressing a general exasperation that quite a few of us feel with shallow, unimaginative, hyper-generalizing types who post threads here mostly just to insult and rile folks and to pick fights. Go to a Cap Moon tribe if you want to troll those with this aspect. If you are not goiing to listen to people who contradict your pet biases, that's where you belong.
Even with my own antipathy toward Scorpio Moons, I am perfectly willing to be open to someone if a person with that aspect describes how the negative traits are not part of their core being, or how they overcome those negative traits, or how other aspects in the chart keep such things at bay, or any number of other things that can go into a person NOT being stereotypical, or even typical, of a generalized assessment. This is especially true when they clearly exhibit behavior and attitudes contradictory to a cookie-cutter appraisal.
Frankly, this thread has done more to show me the positive aspects of the Capricorn Moon from people who actually have this aspect, whereas the lame brains who started off and continue bashing them have done a great deal to earn my disrespect for them as people, regardless of their Sun, Moon, or any other sign their planets may possess. As for being human, these inflammatory types might do well to act a bit more like humans, and adult ones at that, themselves.
Maybe the lot of you are just on the rag.<<
Well said... yet another emotionally repressed razor-mouthed know-it-all exposed.
Frankly, I don't really care where HER moon is or what aspects it makes - regardless, she should go back to astrological kindergarten.
On the other hand though, a look at her chart would be infinitly more enlightening as to why she has such an antipathy towards moon in Cap or people contradicting her in general, than lingering in this endless rethoric: an obvious excersize in stupidity and much to the detriment of this tribe. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 12:47 PMAmiablehermit
“I think that Brendan is expressing a general exasperation”
Why were Brendan's passive aggressive manipulation and foul attacks on us cancers excused as “a general exasperation”? Excuse me for not seeing his saintly glow, which you obviously see clearly. His passive-aggressive apology was accepted, and I saw no more need to defend us cancer folks, but your foul illogical rant demonstrated you are inferior to anyone else on this thread.
Dion
People who like Amiable's foul illogical rant can't be taken too seriously.
For you and Amiablehermit's information, I have been listening to everyone's opinion on this thread, and I expressed my agreements. I haven't disagreed with anyone (I might have ignored some posts.) I don't have antipathy towards any moon sign. BTW, has Amiable's chart been "infinitely enlightening" to you as she has an antipathy towards scorp moon folks? -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 1:03 PMDion
"Frankly, I don't really care where HER moon is or what aspects it makes
On the other hand though, a look at her chart would be infinitly more enlightening as to why she has such an antipathy towards moon in Cap or people contradicting her in general"
Just admit it, you want to know where my moon is. You even said "Frankly". -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 1:50 PMYeah, like he could know anything about you since you are such a fucking coward that you can't even post your own fucking chart.
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:35 PM"On the other hand though, a look at her chart would be infinitly more enlightening as to why she has such an antipathy towards moon in Cap or people contradicting her in general""
Laux
Feel free to infinitely enlighten us then. There is of course the possibility that these issues you perceive are your own. It might be interesting to post your own chart before you begin to examine others. It might help highlight the mentality behind the observations that you seem to be finding. So where in the chart is Amiable's antipathy toward Moon in Capricorn people? For the purposes of scope and unbias, it would be good to find the aspect/sign/placement etc. then find three external sites/books/blogs etc. which details the particularities that relate to an overall hatred of that particular 1/12th of the world. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:59 PMUm. Paul ~ my problem has been with Scorp Moons, not Cap Moons, but, yeah. same thing. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:02 PMbut I'm ok, right amiablehermit?
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:51 PMWhenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
Loving mem all~ways,
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 1:42 PMIn the first place, I don't even think you have an accurate idea of what passive aggression is, since Brendan is anything but. And I certainly think that he didn't attack Cancers, rather much the other way around, when it comes to foul attacks ~ gf, you started this after all. He claims no saintly anything ~ that is your own sarcasm. And Why TF do you think CANCERS need defending in the first place? ~ See, this is what I am talking about when it comes to an unimaginative, stereotypical mentality.
There was nothing, as I know any actual rational person here knows, illogical about what I said in defense of Brendan, and it was hardly a rant. If you want a rant, I can provide one for you later to illustrate that, but at the moment, it seems like too much effort for something and someone totally not worth the energy. < Besides, unlike you, I am about to go get laid repeatedly.> Sorry, this a tribe friend here at the mothnest commenting on his own, which he felt somehow obliged to do reading over my shoulder. But, YAWN to you.
If you want a crack at my chart, GO FOR IT! It should be interesting to get a little snarky asshole perspective to blow away. And show me in my chart where my antipathy for Scorpio Moons resides ~ Now THAT would be brilliant!
<I haven't disagreed with anyone (I might have ignored some posts.) I don't have antipathy towards any moon sign.>
??? Unless I can no longer interpret the English language and everyone here is a rube, you just exposed yourself as a complete and utter liar. Must suck being you.
<Now let me get mine in peace, you jackass.> My friend introducing further editorializations here. He's a little impatient and he says you are full of shit.
Anyway, the level to which you like to sink and try to drag others with you is so juenile and boring to me that it chagrins me that I am even responding to you. I usually reserve myself for arguments of some wit and intelligence, unless I of course I see the pack circling around a friend for a gang up attack. Then mud doesn't bother me. Mud is obviously the watery area you are accustomed to. So if you wont rise out of that, yeah, I'll slog it out with you there. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 2:48 PMSome Caps get sour like lemons when the world-domination daydreams in their heads doesn´t exist IRL, their plan was so sweet & so simple: just dress & behave like a boss, that should do the trick! But the buggers forgot that respect is earned & no one really wants some power-crazed half-psycho telling them what to do when they work. Famous Cap tyrants in history often didn´t care about money or luxuries, when they expired their "paychecks" were found unopened. The goat craves POWER, he loves to DOMINATE & if that stifles the poor victims he uses as expendable material that just adds smug pleasure to his quiet megalomania, beware.... -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:31 PM"The goat craves POWER, he loves to DOMINATE & if that stifles the poor victims he uses as expendable material that just adds smug pleasure to his quiet megalomania, beware...."
Beware of who? 1/12th of the population who are open minded and have free will? Or the person who has too much tar and only one brush? -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:52 PMCAUTION: POWER-LUSTING BILLY-GOAT WITHOUT EITHER SHAME OR CONSCIENCE
IF SLOWLY APPROACHING WITH MOIST EYES & LEERING GRIN LOOK FOR EXITS
CANNOT BE REASONED OR BARGAINED WITH & LACKS HOBBIES OTHER THAN
THE DERANGED INTEREST MENTIONED ABOVE!
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:43 PM"Some Caps get sour like lemons when the world-domination daydreams in their heads doesn´t exist IRL,"
Yes, I've also seen this kind of thing with people whose prejudice only exist in their heads and not IRL. It can be infuriating I'd imagine.
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 6:41 PMamiablehermit,
"If you want a crack at my chart, GO FOR IT"
I didn't finish reading your old foul rant. this particular sentence demonstrated your inability to comprehend what I was saying. Dion wants my chart because he believes a chart explain a person's antipathy towards a particular planet, and since you said you have antipathy towards scorp moon, I asked if your chart has explained it.
For your record, I haven't shown any antipathy towards any moon signs. Like I said, I posted a question here, and I agree with a few insightful post and appreciate cap moon's sharing of opinions and accepted Brendan's passive aggressive apology. There is not much antipathy there except towards an illogical ranting retard like you. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 6:55 PMYour original post was a dig from the get go.
You insult everyone's intelligence here, and as I said, you are too much of a coward to post your own chart.
My comment was posted before I even saw Dion's ~ an invitation to lend your less than adept knowledge of astrology to interpreting my chart and finding where my general animosity toward Scorpio Moons lies.
The caveat is that you actually have to exercise some intelligence in the process. So, knock yourself out. You have an aversion to Capricorn Moons ~ let's see if we can expand that to Leo Suns, Aqua Moons, Pisces Mars, and Cancer Venus ~ just for starters. We can work our way on to Scorp Saturns, Virgo Jupiters, and Libra Neptunes afterwards. My chart is posted. As I said, GO FOR IT.
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:28 PM"People who like Amiable's foul illogical rant can't be taken too seriously. "
Laux
This might even be true, the only problem of course, is that Amiable's posts, although verging on foul and stretching to ranting are certainly anything but illogical. Amiable is actually quite logical. Perhaps her Aquarian Moon? Or her Virgo Rising? Or her Mercury in the 1st House? Or her Gemini MC? Probably one of those. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 5:40 PMPaul~
I am afraid I resemble that remark! How dare you say that my posts verge on being foul and stretching to ranting! How blatant of you!
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 6:48 PMPaul,
If you see logic in that foul ranter Amiablehermit's post, I can't help you. It is obvious you are defending an inferior kind. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 6:52 PM"It is obvious you are defending an inferior kind. "
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:07 PMObviously we are dealing with a (chartless) person of <cough> superior intellect and an amazing facility with language.
OMG, dude, we are so out-classed by this crabby Cancer person that we should just, like, you know, go off somewhere and eat worms and stepped-on Swedish meatballs. Man, you know, I am so quaking in my boots and ready to piss my pants in fear that, like, you know, she is going to actually be able to, like, READ me. I mean, really. She is so awesome in her way of just fine-tuning her analyses into, like, a laser-like precision. She is totally rad, man. Got us all pegged, I am so sure. We could just, like, fucking leave this thread to die, you know, but, I mean, really ~ she is just so mesmerizing that I can hardly keep my pants on waiting to hear what she says next!
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Re: Inferiority
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:55 PM"...but your foul illogical rant demonstrated you are inferior to anyone else on this thread."
So wait, now you're calling people inferior? Do you have a Capricorn Moon, lol? Here I go being passive aggressive and manipulative again. Sheesh... Thankfully, I'm so superior that I know that my superiority complex is better than yours, so there! -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 6:52 PM"So wait, now you're calling people inferior? Do you have a Capricorn Moon, lol? "
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:03 PM"Brendan, she changed the topic to inferiority, I thought that's where she placed herself."
Oh no, those are your words, sweetie. You called her "inferior".
"I don't call people inferior but her."
It's like talking to a four-year old, lol!
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Re: superiority
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:23 PMI don't know, do you feel so beneath me that you have to take self confidence as a superiority complex? At least my friends, who also have self-respect, don't see me as some monster with a foul-smelling manipulative moon. Besides, being a good manipulator can be a good thing. Think about suicide counselors, hostage negotiaters, psychotherapists, etc etc. Y'all seem to assume that I'm phishing for social security numbers so I can flash more bling bling around town. Why should I give a shit about some faceless feces-flinging coward like yourself? The internet is full of useless people who flock to a dying carcass whenever the opportunity arises. I'm glad I'm not you... -
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Re: superiority
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:20 PMI agree with Sherpa that it is true that the way that the post was worded had a lot to do with how the responses are being culled. However, I refrained from lashing back as Laux has been respectful of my posts. As level headed as I have sounded in all my posts, I can understand why some Cappy moons have reason to feel indignant and how things can easily get out of hand and become a bitchfest. It all has to do with use of words like superiority... perhaps it's not so much superiority but I think Cappy's detachment. They deal with everything from a distance but effectively so and especially if they can preempt emotion and reaction before it comes to being. That's why it seems that they are 'above' emotion and not reactive. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 10:24 PM"As level headed as I have sounded in all my posts, I can understand why some Cappy moons have reason to feel indignant and how things can easily get out of hand and become a bitchfest. It all has to do with use of words like superiority... perhaps it's not so much superiority but I think Cappy's detachment. They deal with everything from a distance but effectively so and especially i..."
Ladysaber, I appreciate your valuable opinions. I agree that most cap moons deal with things with more reasoning and less emotion. Some cap moons r good advisers and analysers.
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Re: superiority
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 1:13 AM"Think about suicide counselors, hostage negotiaters, psychotherapists, etc etc."
Or make it simpler. Think of architects, interior designers, revolutionary leaders (lincoln, washington), comedians, home workers, old-age carers, etc etc etc
the list goes on.
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Re: superiority
Tue, July 14, 2009 - 9:00 PMYes, sherpa, there is something scary about being a human like you.
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:42 PM"hose smug Cap-faces really are hideous, oh the satisfaction they get from behaving like the superior masters(!)"
Actually quite a number of models have a strong Capricorn. For example Kate Moss, Helena Christenson, Gabriella Reece etc etc
Why do you hate Capricorn so much?
"oh the satisfaction they get from behaving like the superior masters(!) some of the dullards imagine themselves to be!"
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:02 PMI´ve seen the things I rant about in several goats, both on tv & in my personal life, many work that way. Virgo has no problems with zodiac bosses, but the Cap-style of leadership is often just a silent dictatorship. Caps characters are rarely inspiring & the thought of themselves walloving in secret self-praise is just too much! -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:57 PMAnd those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you. -
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:19 AMWhenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 3:58 PMI'm going to say some stuff, having read or skimmed most of this thread, about how I have a Capricorn Moon, and also how I end up making friends with a lot of Scorpio moons... in fact, most of my closest friends have got 'em... and my new love interest... and my old love interest... my crossing-over love interests... (I would like to discuss lack of morality and flying int he face of tradition witout hurting anybody, or with trying not to)---- and how I have a Scorpio Sun and Ascendant along with a Capricorn Moon. And more stuff about me probably. And maybe some stuff about Internet flaming and funny astrology geeks like you guys if I get around to it or think of anything helpful.
Some people describe me as really really nice and wouldn't-hurt-a-fly, and others recognize a definite dominant (usually I hear "intimidating") force in me. I usually don't know how to handle the effect I have on groups of people and so badly mismanage it, but this has to do with sun in the first house and then a whole lot of other things, and actually honestly I don't have it too bad and hopefully I'll be able to do some reallll good around the world some day. I have a lot of really nice aspects in my chart, according to a few sites, and I have just read that I usually look at others as manifestations of god, or spirit-- intelligent magical beings whom I respect and love-- and so I tend not to fuck around too often- not on purpose- not malevolently, not on purpose!!! Nihilism and spirituality walk a dotted line hand in hand and it's love that keeps them both having hands and not mangled bits of jelly polka-dotted. I'm not a Nihilist I don't know what the fuck that meant either. It's funny how Nihilism and 1930's German kitsch go hand-in-hand for me. POlka-dots......
I happen to be unnaturally good-looking, to dress sort of strangely, to dance pretty extravagantly in public. I sound like a doink saying this stuff but it seems relevant somehow. Sometimes I am really awkward socially but I can't help doing what seems a hell of a lot like showing off when I feel like I should be passionately living, and feeling, and dancing and moving and appreciating. The bridge between this experience of ecstasy on my part and the experience of the wall-flowers uncomfortably watching is one I am hoping to be able to build... again and again...
Anyways.
I don't know if this is of interest to anyone!
Another thing which came to mind when the disgusting Capricorn stench was being discussed was a certain dad of mine who is a Capricorn and is pretty slimy but also pretty lovely. It's funny. Forgiveness and understanding come through so many avenues, and peace, and strength.
I think it's funny how Cancers repeat the same thing over and over in an argument. And a little pathetic (in the benevolently sympathetic sense of the word). My Cancer (boy)friend(ish-who-knows) will call me an idiot ten times for each one time I say it. Or whatever else. It's sad and cute and maddening all at once.
It seems like this fight going on on this thread right now is a big joke in a way, the way it's being executed... I didn't read it too closely... but really, I mean look at it. It doesn't matter what your aspects are or where your planets are transiting one another's--- it's just a big soup of the darkest storms on those planets cavorting over a lifeless barren plane, that of the internet. It's a waste of time! Or maybe not. How should I know? We give it life. This is life here, crawling, letters like bugs. -
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Re: powah!!!
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:07 PMkara,
all the capricorn moons i know, also love to shock and cause scenes too... they're usually some of the most incredibly 'out to lunch' people i know.... I have had 6 really close friendships with moon in cap... interactions are so estatic and adventurous ..and usually bordering on the edge of sanity almost.. I dont know why its like this... maybe theres a lot to capricorn than people understand, maybe we've been misinterpreting the sign and holding it to really strange expectations ...they usually get a lot of the negative stereotyping..maybe that has a lot to do with our failed interpretation... or maybe its just part of capricorn politely taking control? I think all signs have negative traits, sometimes i wonder if we focus too much on being positive... I think thats a negative tendency of my signs (pisces sun/libra moon) It has its place..... all signs do.. maybe we cant wrap our heads around capricorns place, maybe its incredibly difficult being a capricorn! -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:21 PMYeah it somehow seems like the most disliked of the signs to me: the most austere, the least fun, nose-to-the-grindstone and throw in a bit of cold-heartedness... in much of the stuff I've read about it. I'm not really a big workaholic--- at all. I should be at work.. right now. Anyways.
Again and again on the boards when Capricorn as a sign is being discussed there's this sentiment that they aren't being rightly represented, or that there is a big misunderstanding... that they are very sensitive and that there is some deep mystery connected with the sign. This is possibly the influence of all the other planets and houses and aspects and signs which soften the influence of Capricorn. I don't know enough about the subject. It seems that the connection with Saturn (SAtan!??! the judge--) coupled with a propensity to do whatever they want as long as they don't think anyone will find out- and then the ensuing guilt when people DO find out they've done something wrong-- makes Capricorns an easy/desirable target for derision and scorn, and probably rightly so, but also subject to deep melancholy, regret, and perhaps self-denial and the derision of the self. But I don't know enough what I'm talking about. Really. I would like to be corrected on those points, or for that thought of mine to be unfolded a bit, because I don't even know where it comes from.
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Re: powah!!!
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:15 PM<<
Yeah it somehow seems like the most disliked of the signs to me: the most austere, the least fun, nose-to-the-grindstone and throw in a bit of cold-heartedness... in much of the stuff I've read about it. I'm not really a big workaholic--- at all. I should be at work.. right now. Anyways.
Again and again on the boards when Capricorn as a sign is being discussed there's this sentiment that they aren't being rightly represented, or that there is a big misunderstanding... that they are very sensitive and that there is some deep mystery connected with the sign. This is possibly the influence of all the other planets and houses and aspects and signs which soften the influence of Capricorn. I don't know enough about the subject. It seems that the connection with Saturn (SAtan!??! the judge--) coupled with a propensity to do whatever they want as long as they don't think anyone will find out- and then the ensuing guilt when people DO find out they've done something wrong-- makes Capricorns an easy/desirable target for derision and scorn, and probably rightly so, but also subject to deep melancholy, regret, and perhaps self-denial and the derision of the self. But I don't know enough what I'm talking about. Really. I would like to be corrected on those points, or for that thought of mine to be unfolded a bit, because I don't even know where it comes from.
Someone was saying something about guilt up there which was interesting. I have to read this thread more closely. I'll post some more informed rambling in a bit?
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I think you know more about what you're talking about than you think. It's very typical of a Capricorn to be insecure about their ideas and thoughts, atleast until they've been validated. Welcome to the club! :)
Self-denial... this is so true. I think all Caps can relate to that word. The feeling of being able to reach something, but feeling unworthy, or "not ready".
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Re: powah!!!
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:22 PM"And people say we are manipulative, and feel that we deserve more than everybody else... Capricorn is the opposite of that. "
I agree because my best friend is a Capricorn (she's a Capricorn Sun, not Moon. She has a Scorpio Moon though).. and she does not fit the negative descriptions people are saying here at all. She's pretty much the opposite. She's not manipulative at all, and doesn't act like she deserves more, etc. She's actually very sweet and sensitive.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:28 PMWTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what? -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:38 PMSince this thread started out with such preposterous assumptions -- "capricorn moons want power?" -- it's no mystery how this intention attracted so much more of the same. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:46 PMExactly my point. What utter bosh. This level of astrology is what i throw in the trash, which is also basically the level of the posters of this drek. MOVING ON! -
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 5:18 PMMove on then-- I guess you might be talking to me, I don't know... I'm pretty clear on my own astrological muddiness, naivety and possibly/definitely stupidity, impressionability, and therefore probably totally ignorant assumptions, and pretty openly asked that I be corrected. Nobody's going to get any smarter if you don't help. Blathering on about how stupid and ignorant everyone is is a lot less productive than a couple of words on what you think the real way of it is.
I don't know who you were referring to with that though.... again, probably me?... that's alright. My moon's in Capricorn too, and I don't think I'm bad. I'm just speculatin'. I'm starting to like it.
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 5:21 PMI did say some pretty stupid things in that last post. I believe it came off pretty differently than I meant it to. There was some really strong language and generalization and much bullshit... I thought I was listing the impressions I have gotten from reading around, not my real intuitive feelings about the sign.... I don't think that came across.... and I didn't make that clear at all. And now I sound like I'm trying to say I said something I didn't say, or didn't say something I did... oh well... Misunderstandings are really easy to come by around here. Anyways. Wish I'd been more careful too. -
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 5:48 PMKara ~ Sweetpea, sherpa and I were going off on the assholes generalizing and attacking Cap Moons. The original poster of this thread being but one of them. sherpa and i may "loathe" each other, but that doesn't keep us from agreeing that fools should not be suffered gladly. I think we are both able to agree with people we don't like, which, in my view, is a bit more evolved than the cretins here eliminating any possibility of understanding anyone by virtue of their ignorance and inability to listen to anything but their own thoughts. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU. -
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:27 PMHello, I am new to this tribe and I am a sagi with moon in scorp.
The original post asked a good question.
As a scorpio moon, I don't deny that I want power all the time. For some reason, scorpio types are very frank about being power hunger, but capricorn moons' power struggle is usually under the table. They don't admit it, either because it is a tactic or because they are not conscious about it. My father has moon in capricorn, and he told me once that deep insight his heart, he feels proud and superior to others but he has to hide it because people naturally don't like arrogent ones. We understand each other and try to respect each other. We know when to go forwards and when to withdraw so we don't intervene each other's sphere of respect.
Amiablehermit,
"I usually reserve myself for arguments of some wit and intelligence, unless I of course I see the pack circling around a friend for a gang up attack."
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:02 PMIt seems like Andrea is an alt or an agent of Laux. I could be wrong, of course...
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:52 PMNew to this tribe, I don't take side. I don't know the posting rule in this tribe yet. Enlighten me if you will. -
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:19 PMSo now you are backing off. Interesting.
There are no rules here, girlfriend. We have a totally absent mod, and it is basically everyone for himself. So if you dish it out, be prepared to take it, too.
Under ideal circumstances, you will find a sincere thread where someone with a genuinely ~ and usually personally ~ important question will create a thread to sort something out or compare notes with others. Then we have these other types of threads where people who want to bash some sign or aspect for the cheap fun of it just posts something to get the ball rolling ~ this one being a case in point. We are also infested with trolls and alts of trolls since, with no mod, they can have a field day trashing everyone in sight, regardless of whether they know them or not.
For example, we have a certain affection and hostility here toward a nut job Italian guy who calls himself Lord of the Zodiac (Klaudio Zic) who papers this place with numerous threads (Nine just the other day in the span of a few minutes by my counting) regularly promoting his own version of astrology that he never really explains to anyone. He also only interacts with his army of alts in the guise of European fashion models, and Joni Mitchell, to whom he gives exalted and tongue-twisting aristocratic names and who post threads and talk to each other. Welcome to a nut house. I hope you get something out of it. Some of us actually do from time to time, but basically this place is kind of a snake pit, or so it has become in the months that I have belonged to it.
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Re: preposterous
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:23 AMWTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:35 PM'New to this tribe, I don't take side. I don't know the posting rule in this tribe yet. Enlighten me if you will. '
That was in reply to Brendan's post. You are wrong. I don't take side as I don't like to be tied down to any group or gang. -
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Re: preposterous
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 12:52 AM"That was in reply to Brendan's post. You are wrong. I don't take side as I don't like to be tied down to any group or gang. "
Erm Andrea
Your very first posts on this thread and to the best of my knowledge, this tribe, were
", the one who has been doing gang up attack was you. "
"This tribe is full of your putrid insults"
"Your mouthful dirty insulting language shows your low wit. "
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Common Sense
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 1:00 AMI think anyone who can only see the negative side of any aspect, sign or position of any planet is clearly not a well rounded individual.
Does the Capricorn Moon placement have a negative side to it? Yes of course. Does every other moon? Definitely.
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Re: Common Sense
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:00 AM"I think anyone who can only see the negative side of any aspect, sign or position of any planet is clearly not a well rounded individual.
Does the Capricorn Moon placement have a negative side to it? Yes of course. Does every other moon? Definitely. "
That's so true. Every sign has it's negative side. And if we choose to dwell on the negatives than that's up to us, but if we dwell on others negatives than others will probably dwell on our negatives. -
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Re: Common Sense
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:07 AM"That's so true. Every sign has it's negative side. And if we choose to dwell on the negatives than that's up to us, but if we dwell on others negatives than others will probably dwell on our negatives."
If we dwell on negativity, all we're left with is a big bucket of negative emotion.
How can we be surprised when we find negativity when we actively go looking for it? It's such common sense that it is astounding that it isn't immediately obvious to anyone.
If you keep searching for the bad, you will find it. Simple as. Trying searching for the good as well, and see if you are equal to the task.
Every placement has its good points and bad points, but nobody is the incarnation of one planet's placement. None of us are "Moon in Capricorn" incarnated. The other planets didn't conveniently disappear for our birth, we have them all. Focusing on one aspect of the person and then using that one aspect to make uninformed suppositions of that person's entire character is logical fallacy and not only that, it is rude, dangerous and bigotted. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 12:17 PMThat's true too, that's why I try to focus more on the positives instead of the negatives :)
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:43 PMAmiablehermit
Your mouthful dirty insulting language shows your low wit. You might get gang support by flattering or defending others, noding smilingly and greeting people here and there, but with your foul language you won't convince smart people, who can see through your sly tactic. -
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:47 PMIf you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
Honestly, girl ~ read the thread.
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Re: preposterous
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:44 PM<As far as I see, the one who has been doing gang up attack was you. >
First of all, a gang is not one person.
Second, you couldn't have read this thread very well.
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Re: preposterous
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 12:47 PMthank you, good point - how is a capricorn moon a great thing to have? would have been a better question/assumption to start with. could have gotten some imaginations going in a more productive direction in any case....
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:31 PMI discovered the secret to destroying the Capricorn moon a year and a half ago: Neptune. Neptune conjunct a Capricorn Moon person and they are faced with a force like nothing they've ever known! Works every time, trust me. You may not survive but neither will they! -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:50 PMBrilliant. Like the object now is to DESTROY a Capricorn Moon. This just gets better and better. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:01 PMI'm sorry but I have my qualms with Capricorn moons as well. I think Neptune-Moon conjunctions are one of the strongest in synastry. Only Neptune can cure the coldness, rigidity, and pointless heartlessness that many a times comes with valuing (above all else) the mountain climb towards the peak of soulless earthly goals.
After all is said and done we can't take it with us. There's a use for Capricornian traits but not if it devalues the better traits of humanity (love, compassion) and stops a person from experiencing the spiritual and emotional truths of life. Neptune gives one that unconditional warmth and security that most of us experienced in the womb and before are souls entered our body. Cappy moons need that out of body and out of world experience to get away from the shit that make them sell their own mothers for success. Hah! Sorry just had to put in the last part.....lol. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:53 PMYou should be sorry. I am taking the heat here, but you will no doubt get away with that kind of clear defamation and be stroked for it.
I ask again, WTF is wrong with you people that ANYONE with a certain astrological aspect is fair game to totally trash? My God ~ like you don't know that this is the very sort of thing that breeds the kind of thing that Nazis were about. Pick a trait and kill the person. Or, if you can't kill them, insult them, humiliate them, ridicule them, but certainly don't try to hear, understand, or believe them when they say you have it wrong. You should be asking yourself with the hell is the matter with YOU that, despite what these people are saying and demonstrating about themselves ~ the rational and accomplished Lady Saber, the kind and generous-hearted makaranda, and the reasoned and flexible Brendan ~ registers nothing to any of you hidebound bigots. It is a disgusting display, and I will continue to object to it for as long as I can before I just become so disgusted that I wash my hands of the lot of you. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 11:32 PM'I ask again, WTF is wrong with you people that ANYONE with a certain astrological aspect is fair game to totally trash? My God ~ like you don't know that this is the very sort of thing that breeds the kind of thing that Nazis were about. Pick a trait and kill the person. Or, if you can't kill them, insult them, humiliate them, ridicule them, but certainly don't try to hear, understand, or believe them when they say you have it wrong. You should be asking yourself with the hell is the matter with YOU that, despite what these people are saying and demonstrating about themselves ~ the rational and accomplished Lady Saber, the kind and generous-hearted makaranda, and the reasoned and flexible Brendan ~ registers nothing to any of you hidebound bigots. It is a disgusting display, and I will continue to object to it for as long as I can before I just become so disgusted that I wash my hands of the lot of you.'
I've been reading other threads in this tribe. This tribe is full of your putrid insult on scorp moons.
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:58 PMSounds to me like you could use a dose of those better traits of humanity yourself. -
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:31 AMIf you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
Sounds to me like you could use a dose of those better traits of humanity yourself.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:04 PM"Brilliant. Like the object now is to DESTROY a Capricorn Moon. This just gets better and better."
Amiable are you trying to incite hatred towards me? What is the purpose of this particular sentence?
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:32 AMIf you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 9:52 PM"Brilliant. Like the object now is to DESTROY a Capricorn Moon. This just gets better and better."
It's obvious Uranusinpisces was talking about how to cure their supeiority complex. Your level of intelligence prevents you from reading between lines. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 11:14 PMRead between the lines, amiablehermit
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:33 AMIf you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:42 PM>>>
They seem to constantly have competition with others for respect
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I think respect grows fastest when it is shared between people mutually. I find the idea of competing for it confusing - it is barely registering in my mind to conceive of competing for it ...
If I respect one person more - it doesn't mean I have to respect everyone else any less would it?
Maybe respect means different things to different people ... or different people demand different things before yielding their respect?
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:52 PM<<<<<Maybe respect means different things to different people ... or different people demand different things before yielding their respect?>>>>>
Yeah that's basically it. Some people equate respect with authority, maturity, competence and self-worth. Respect to them is like currency rather than an expression. The more they have the more value they have-especially in comparison with other people. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 9:37 PMDepends what tactics you use I guess. If others don't like your tactics then you will most likely lose respect. This is why Capricorn is all about manipulating/managing/controlling ones environment (and themselves and others) in order to acquire resources, status and success. It's not all about going in and exerting your power like Leo and its a lot less "raw" or honest or hidden than Scorpio. It's a controlled show that everyone can see.
Instead of cutting everyone down and receiving backlash one can just work harder/better/longer and therefore be the only one/first one standing at the top. Or you can strategize how best to get more respect than others-and keep it. Think "social climber". Another reason Saturn is exalted in Libra. Or, like someone else said, I do think many Cappy archetypes enter an environment filled with weaker/less smart/less competent/younger people so that they can become the most realistic choice for a leader.
But yeah, either way their value goes up in comparison to everyone else. So they get to the same place but I guess the road they take can determine whether they stay. And staying power is what is really important to these people.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 9:40 PMriptide, thanks for the question. I noticed that cap moons might want the highest respect among a group; they do it by working hard and at the same time elevating themselves. They “reach down to people” but people need “a ticket or pass” to “reach up”to them. They might open up a bit to the ones who submit to them and who are absolutely harmless. One example, when people asked me for help, I gladly help without letting them know how much effort and how much time consumed on my part; when someone asks them for help, they would do it but they make sure to let you know that they are terribly busy (whether true or not) and you would feel terribly sorry for asking them. In any case, they position themselves as boss in their heads. Respect is mutual, but the amount of respect they want must be higher than other people’s need. It could be a matter of positions they place themselves that they are competing for or the amount of respect.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 9:52 PMYou guys ought to be careful. You've stumbled onto the secret plot of the Capricorn Moon Legion of Doom. It seems some of you need to be re-educated. Your brilliant deductions have caused a security breach, and the evil Saturnian power structures that keep lazy, mediocre people in boring, uninspiring positions has been threatened. After all, Saturn is going into Libra pretty soon, and our grand scheme for world domination will soon be realized.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 6:22 AMI don't know ...
I think cap moon can have its shadow like anyone else.
But I think the distance thing is an equal opportunity thing - whether you are "above or below them" so to speak.
In my experience, even when I was at the absolute bottom, I felt that by giving respect myself, I usually got it back in return with capricorn folks.
My view of respect is not quite like a monetary exchange - more like a response or a basic intrinsic thing to human people. It isn't something that people have to work to earn with me as much as it is something that can be lost with repeated extreme behaviors. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 7:51 AMI often associate cap moons with system, rules, organization, in which they can play safely and demonstrate that they fit into the system better than others. When they are with the naive weaker kinds, they make their own systems and rules, which they expect others to follow.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:03 AM"I often associate cap moons with system, rules, organization, in which they can play safely and demonstrate that they fit into the system better than others."
Play safely in the system to show off? Moon in Cap like George Washington and Che Guevarra? Really?
I wouldn't confuse fitting and playing safely within a structure to prove to other people that they can do this, with an ability to recognise and understand systems and the natural route to progression (or indeed flaws and faults) within that system.
Capricorn types are good with systems and good at recognising power (a trait they share with scorpio) and are particularly well adapted to using systems to their own advantage, or to the advantage of matters close to their heart. However they often are aware that the system has its flaws and may need to be changed. This is true of Cap Sun, Moon or Asc depdning on house or aspect etc etc.
Think of the revolutionary leader and founding fathers of America's history for example. Thomas Jefferson - Asc Cap, George Washington - Cap Moon, Benjamin Franklin - Cap Sun. None of these people were people who played safely within nice little systems. They completely rewrote the rule book. They weren't sitting around comfortably showing off how they can play safely in a system, they were rewriting history.
"When they are with the naive weaker kinds, they make their own systems and rules, which they expect others to follow. "
So who is weaker and more naive?
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:05 AMI associate Laux with cowards who wont post their charts for equal opportunity scrutiny. Come on Laux, let's see that glass house from which you're throwing stones. I want to start a thread that just focuses on the negative aspects of your moon, Ms. Laux. You can dish it out but you cn't take it, eh? Figures. Cowards are a dime a dozen. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:32 AM"Yes, thank you. Every once in a while it's good to wake up and smell my own foul manipulative odor. I regret not seeing the depth the your genius until now. All of your observations are 100% accurate. I'm going to pour myself a passive aggressive cup of coffee, read some self help books, and cut myself. Do you know any good life coaches that can brain-zap me back into an acceptable frame of mind? I'm going to need all the help I can get!"
didn't you say this earlier? your foul manipulative mind game can't fool smart folks.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:32 AM"Yes, thank you. Every once in a while it's good to wake up and smell my own foul manipulative odor. I regret not seeing the depth the your genius until now. All of your observations are 100% accurate. I'm going to pour myself a passive aggressive cup of coffee, read some self help books, and cut myself. Do you know any good life coaches that can brain-zap me back into an acceptable frame of mind? I'm going to need all the help I can get!"
didn't you say this earlier? your foul manipulative mind game can't fool smart folks. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:36 AM"your foul manipulative mind game can't fool smart folks. "
That's true, but try not to feel too left out.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:47 AMYeah, and I was being sarcastic. You too have to learn to read between the lines,Ms. Laux. It seems you have a long way to go until you become a Jedi.
Now, on with your sermon!
I regret that I must go to work today and hamstring people, dominate my coworkers, intimidate the mailman, coldly size up the pecking order, strategize my ruthless ascent to power, etc etc etc. First, I'm going to manipulate some bread, mayo, and tunafish into making itself a sandwich while I look on pleased with my power over food items. That's right, lots of mayo! Excellent... -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:51 AMPure evil. You definitely need some Neptune/Pisces in your life. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:56 AM'Pure evil. You definitely need some Neptune/Pisces in your life.'
he's beyond help now. Before we know it he will be adding red onion and lettuce to that sandwich, and then there'll be no stopping him!! -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:58 AMNooo oh noooo!!!!! :-o
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:02 AMWhen my son was younger, he was always acting as "class policeman" much to his detriment....I think he has learned to keep that under wraps...
No one is willing to answer my question about a focal point of kite? To be clear, I am not asking about my son's kite, just which side of a kite is the focal point... -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:14 AMFaF,
the descriptions i have read on the focal point in kites is confusing... but from what i have read i think it is the planet in the grand trine that is being opposed and the planet that is not part of the grand trine that forms the opposition is what causes friction, action and or awareness of the energy in the grand trine that can be taken for granted. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:29 AMI think we are on the same page Makaranda,
And so, as I understand it, the planet opposed that IS part of the trine is the focal point. As illustrated in this case,
www.lunarliving.org/astrolog...ite.shtml
the focal point would be Venus?
and in my Son's case, it would be Mars, as I stated before....
people.tribe.net/1bcd04bf-...c0e890e589
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:01 AMFaF,
yes venus i think would be the focal point and as does the person who wrote the article... and that would make mars your son's focal point.
... for me it makes sense for the focal point to be the planet in the grand trine being opposed by a planet outside of the grand trine... if the grand trine by iteself is an easy flow of energy and energy taken for granted then a planet forming an oppositon would make you aware of this trine energy and use it with more awareness... to focus on a planet that is opposite a planet in a grand trine and not part of the grand trine is like ignoring your talents and gifts and focusing on the friction in one's life ;-)
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 3:41 PMFaF
Ok. So to be more clear, you think the focal point is the planet within the Grand Trine that is making an opposition to another planet. I think it is that other planet.
I've researched this a bit more now. According to this site (www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Gran....htm) there isn't really a focal 'planet' rather a focus on the opposition itself. So both the planets are the focus of the aspect, or rather the opposition is the focus. It says "That opposition should be what you focus on when interpreting this part of the horoscope."
However wikipedia agrees with my interpretation, that it is the planet that is opposing one of the 'legs' of the Grand Trine.
(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite_aspect)
it says "The fourth planet in the kite configuration, which opposes one planet and sextiles the other two, is the point in the chart that will hold the key to the special talents and gifts that the native can focus on to help him to achieve success in this life."
I haven't found anything that says the focal planet is within the Grand Trine though.
So in your son's example, the focus is either Mars opposition Moon, or it is the Moon itself.
It is understandable that this aspect might be of particular relevance to you, as his moon might of course be descriptive of his relationship with you in some ways.
My understanding of Kites is that the Grand Trine is very much a closed circuit, but the planet which oppositions one of the 'legs' of the Grand Trine, offers a channel into which the Grand Trine can flow. This planet becomes the focus of the Grand Trine's energy, or the 'receptacle' of it. -
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 9:19 AMPaul,
Thanks for clarifying your interpretation of the kite. I suppose it boils down to one's definition of what they are looking to as "focal point"...I can see where either interpretation would be valid, depending on, where we focus. : )
I once lived an a boat named "Focus"...it is now named "RIpple"....
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:04 AM"I. CANT. WATCH. "
I know. it's just awful. All we can do is pray that someone of Laux..sorry of Low.. Intelligence will cut that sandwich in half, and not triangles (because everyone knows that triangle sandwiches taste nicer). If the intelligence is particularly Low, there'll be no crisps (or chips for you americans!) added to the side, cos if that happens, then I shudder to think what the consequences might be? What will be next? Chicken sandwiches? Ham? Is there no end to the madness!!! -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:13 AMWe all need some of FaF's delicious deviled eggs.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 6:20 PMHey, UranisinPisces!
Neptune is integrated very well into my chart, but thank you for telling me what I need.
Big smiles!
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:55 AM"First, I'm going to manipulate some bread, mayo, and tunafish into making itself a sandwich while I look on pleased with my power over food items."
Manipulating even the poor defenceless mayo!!!???!!!
does it get more evil than this? No doubt you will be building your sandwich like you build your plans for company domination, starting with the poor bread and butter of the company, applying the slightly more creative mayo and finally layering this all off with the brains of the operation wafting of the scent of power - the tunafish (it should be noted that power and fish smell very similar, capricorn is part fish after all).
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:18 AMUncanny ~ I was just thinking about how I need some mayonnaise.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:20 AM""Yeah, and I was being sarcastic. You too have to learn to read between the lines,Ms. Laux. It seems you have a long way to go until you become a Jedi."
the scorp kind likes to expose foul deceitful passive-aggressive apologizer like you and make the nice naive folks awareof your sick cunning mind game. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:11 AM<the scorp kind likes to expose foul deceitful passive-aggressive apologizer like you and make the nice naive folks awareof your sick cunning mind game.>
Do you even know what passive-aggressive means? Because it is very clear that there is nothing passive about Brendan's aggression toward you.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 3:43 PM"the scorp kind likes to expose foul deceitful passive-aggressive apologizer like you and make the nice naive folks awareof your sick cunning mind game."
Laux
Can you only see hatred and deceit? Are you really that blind? What is productive about this line of thinking? At some point you are going to have to realise that people come in more than two shades. The world is not filled with loving, enlightened and selfless people on one side, and then Capricorn Moons on the other.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:23 PM"Can you only see hatred and deceit?"
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:50 PMI'm a really nice guy when I'm not being herded into your unfair and poorly thought out generalizations about people with certain placements. Really! -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:07 PMBrendan, you wrote:
"I'm a really nice guy when I'm not being herded into your unfair and poorly thought out generalizations about people with certain placements. Really! "
So is everyone, Brendan. We all have that "very nice" part and if we are poked, something else appears on the surface. But at least you've shown us that cap moons with scorpio suns take themselves VERY serious. Whereas other sun/moon combinations probably would respond with a lot more humour, distance and detachment.
I think Laux started this thread because she wanted to know a bit more about cap moons - NOT to deliberately spread dirt over one particular sign. Apparently cap moons like to hide behind this "no one understands us" thing - and surely, that situation will continue if caps refuse to open up and tell us more about what's so un-understandable.
Your moon is in 12 so I can understand you prefer it rose coloured. On top of that you have a Hades moon so most likely your mother made you feel like a big monster unless you did exactly what she wanted you to do - which is so very painfull you prefer to do ALL you can to prove the contrary to everyone all the time. You are still very young, so it is very understandable you haven't been able to liberate your Hades moon from all the crap you mother put onto it. Again, moon in 12 won't make it very easy to see your mother clearly as well. I mean: as a humain being, not as a saint. SO you're still stuck in the phase where you have to prove you're so very much OK, and act accordingly. At least this is what I observe from your posts.
All in all, this moon position colours your reactions. You have a cap moon, but it's not exactly the same as say Lady Sabers cap moon. Lady Saber responded with dignity and received respect, you attacked and received quite different reactions.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:21 PMThe arrogance of this post is unbelievable, Unsubscribed algae-covered amphibian. The swamp is most definitely the right place for you.
I notice that you are also too gutless to post your chart, probably because you would be recognized, and you certainly have reason to hide after your last tour here. I wouldn't put it past you to make one up, though. Anyway, congratulations, darling ~ you are now definitely a full-fledged troll. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:53 PMAmiablehermit, you wrote:
"Anyway, congratulations, darling ~ you are now definitely a full-fledged troll."
Now? Definitely? In your eyes, I already was a troll and an alt before I was born. You never called me anything but that. Of course you are very unbiased, hahahaha.
Face it, you cannot stand anyone who is not bowing before your throne. I'm not impressed by your accusations. I know where they come from. You don't know who I am, and that scares the hell out of you. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:56 PMScares the hell out me? LOL! Why would it? But I have a pretty good idea. Your style belies you. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:39 PMIf you want to see the difference between an illogical foul rant and a logical intelligent humorous post, just look at amiablehermit's post and unscribed's.
amiablehermit, you are not only an illogiacal badbreathed ranter, but a foul defamer. Yes you are very scared of someone who can talk with intelligence, logic and humour. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:42 PMYou certainly do a lot to make your case. It is obvious that I am quaking in my boots before a high intellect. LOL! What a canard! -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:53 PMAnd, of course, coming from yet another chartless troll, you are bound to be taken very seriously. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:34 AMIf you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:14 PMMy mother a saint? Time for a new crystal ball, Madame Fate. Made me feel like a monster? Ha! And she let me run wild; my childhood was a blast. Your insights are at least more tangible than others. All that stuff about "Hades moon" is Greek to me. Please refer me to your sources on Hades Moons, etc. I've never explored that line of Astrology. Be assured that I'd really follow up and study what you're talking about.
I'm certainly aware that Laux hit a nerve here. I'm not trying to say that I'm a perfect nice guy, I'm far from perfect. Faaaaaaaarrrrr from perfect. This thread is proof. Like I've said, it's just irritating to be herded into someone's narrow generalizations. If it makes a good study in Capricorn Moons, even better. It's slowly dawning on me that I really did go after this one like Captain Ahab... I would pin it as the classic scorpio reflex in my own case. The Cap moon thing just made it personal and the whole reputation thing came into play. People with Cap Moons were getting badmouthed IMO and I had the chutzpah, and sadly enough, the time, to fire back like I was on trial for my life... Aye carumba...
I wouldn't dare try and convince myself that I'm a "nice guy". It's simply not true. I'm polite here on tribe for the most part, which is all I meant. I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin, playing the hand I've been dealt. What can I do but make the best of it... Time to practice my sweep picking, I suppose. Thank you for getting me to exercise some neurons, Unsubscribed Alt of God. Very refreshing. -
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Hades moon
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 10:27 PMBrendan,
A Hades moon is any moon/Pluto connection - including a scorpio moon or moon in the 8th. In your case it's moon square pluto. A woman called Judy Hall wrote an entire book about the Hades moon. In that book she summs up many manifestations of Hades moons, such as adoption - which is of course quite rare, but the way your family treats you may leave you wondering if perhaps the lack of love & unity you experience on some deep level is because you were adopted.
The most common experiene is a very manipulative, devouring mother who's craving for ultimate closeness but at the same time rejecting - which is very confusing. In order to control you, she's injecting you with some sort of a guilt complex: you are a monster (or at least she makes you feel like one) unless you do exactly what she wants you to do. It is conditional love in a big way. She makes it very clear no one will ever love you or even like you unless... Unless you are behaving like a nice guy and amputate all those traits she absolutely hates about you. And there may be many traits she doesn't like about you. Most likely she doesn't like anything about you. Most likely it feels like she's trying to kill you - and at this point you may begin to revolt in order to save your own authentic core.
When you grow up, you'll probably experience obsessive behaviour in love relationships. Most likely you'll be a first class manipulator as well - if not a perfect copy of mum. People without Hades moons will find your intensity at least a bit frightening, and start avoiding you and your outbursts - until you've learned to hide & control your intensity.
The first bit of fresh air comes when pluto is transiting your moon in your adult years. It always begins with incredible rage - suppressed rage towards 'that woman' - probably accompanied by intense fears of being completely powerless. By and by you'll learn to take back the power you gave away while trying so hard to be NOT a monster. Maybe you will notice how giving away all this power made you so very dependant - and thus limited in your freedom. And hopefully, during the process, you'll observe your own manipulative traits, and decide you can cope with "no" - so you no longer need to manipulate others in order to get what you think you need so very very very much.
Well, I'll leave it here ;-)
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Re: Hades moon
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 11:28 PMWell, Judy Hall must've taken a few too many brown ones at Woodstock, lol. You're pomposity is writing checks you're dumb references can't cash. It's juvenile to seek out sources that fit with your emotional bias, your special lens for the world that makes it all warm and cozy for you to live in. If it makes you feel better to believe your own garbage, enjoy. I'm glad I'm not you, Unsubscribed bitter coward. If you're going to be a joke, at least be funny. -
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 12:36 AMWhy not read it again, Brendan? I did not write my post with bitterness. I simply answered your question. I mentioned Judy Hall's book for your information, but didn't use her book as my source of info. I have other sources as well, called personal experience. There's even an entire tribe about the Hades moon: * pluto moon * I believe it is called. -
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:02 AMYes, actually I am a member of the * Pluto Moon * tribe, and I have to say that people posting there have threads that pose questions about people's experiences to which they respond ~ I don't recall encountering one in which someone tells people what their experiences are and then argues with them if they say that isn't their experience or that they are lying about it or that they are manipulating other people to believe that it isn't their experience, which is more the way this thread is. I don't have a Pluto Moon or Hades Moon, but I find the tribe interesting since most of the posts there are sincere and intelligent, and the tribe itself is not plagued with trolls, alts, and cowards who live in swamp water.
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:04 AMNothing you said rang any bells, no truth to it at all. You do seem to take pleasure in exposing other people weaknesses, real or imagined. Real great character you got there, champ. You are making pretty stupid assumptions about my mother of all people. I have a lot of other aspects going on in my chart besides my moon, and you seem pretty confident that you know things for facts that are wrong. You don't know me, yet you claim to be so clever in exposing some fantastic imaginary details about me and my family. How low can you go? What a fucking loser! -
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:28 AM"Why not read it again, Brendan? I did not write my post with bitterness."
What about the cowardice I accused you of? You forgot the cowardice. Go back and read it again.
You just strike me as a bitter little cutie pie, I suppose. Smooches!
But really, keep it coming bigshot alt. I can shoot fish in a barrel all week. You're boring. Can you call someone who can slice me real good? -
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:52 AMOnce again Brendan, I had no bad intentions whatshowever. If you insist you know my intentions better than I do, please go ahead. -
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:58 AMYou are pretty transparent... Just fuck off and leave me alone. Leave everyone else alone for that matter. Play nice. -
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 2:09 AMHey, Tex. Wanna get a java at the canteen and then join me in rustling a few vultures? -
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 2:13 AMSounds splendid! But please lead the way. I still feel sort of new 'round these parts...
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:48 AMBrendan, you said:
"Nothing you said rang any bells, no truth to it at all. You do seem to take pleasure in exposing other people weaknesses, real or imagined. Real great character you got there, champ. You are making pretty stupid assumptions about my mother of all people. I have a lot of other aspects going on in my chart besides my moon, and you seem pretty confident that you know things for facts that are wrong. You don't know me, yet you claim to be so clever in exposing some fantastic imaginary details about me and my family. How low can you go? What a fucking loser!"
If you feel there's no truth to it at all, OK, there's no truth to it at all. Then why do you get so upset about some idiot writing complete bullshit? Do you enjoy getting upset over nothing at all, or what?
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:56 AMYou're the one projecting your issues about other people onto me, ie, you ex-spouse, lol... You wrote a ton of nonsense, so you obviously had some investment in satisfying your urge to vent your frustrations. Are those plutonians too intimidating for you? Again with your cowardice! It's your personal motif! No wonder your marriage didn't work out. You're not quite fully developed emotionally yourself, I think. That explains why you're so quick to expose others false while hiding behind a false, false facade. Yes, you do seem to equate to the typical loser. I truly hope you did not procreate! Did you spawn any children? Dear lord... -
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 2:29 AMBrendan, you definitely seem to have a lot of rage within you. It even looks as if you use this whole thread as a welcome excuse to ventilate your rage - full stop. It also looks as if you need my response - no matter what I say - as a licence to ventilate. So I'm no longer going to respond. Like I said before, I had no bad intentions whatshowever, and I feel I don't deserve this out-of-proportions anger in any way.
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Re: Hades moon
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:35 AMIf you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:17 AM"A Hades moon is any moon/Pluto connection "
In which case I always have a Hades moon - Moon trine Pluto.
"The most common experiene is a very manipulative, devouring mother who's craving for ultimate closeness but at the same time rejecting"
Is this only with the squre aspect, because that's not my experience of my mother AT ALL.
"Most likely she doesn't like anything about you."
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Re: Hades moon
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:20 AM"In which case I always have a Hades moon - Moon trine Pluto. "
one of those mornings. I meant i ALSO have a Hades moon.
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:41 AMPaul, Judy Hall's book is about 300 pages and she may or may not say these things, at least I'm not going to check her entire book :-)
I've been writing from my personal experiences, including ex-spouse, several close friends & other lovers - in short, people who trust me and share their innermost feelings with me. And I found the pluto moon tribe extremely interesting and helpful as well.
About your moon trine pluto: it is very well possible you cannot relate to anything I've written about the Hades moon. It is very common a Hades moon will sort of hide it's contents. If it doesn't resonate, it doesn't resonate. Maybe we should talk again within 40 years or so. -
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:47 AMAw, poor baby... Projecting your BS onto me now. How mature! What scintillating wisdom!
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 2:31 AM"Paul, Judy Hall's book is about 300 pages and she may or may not say these things, at least I'm not going to check her entire book :-)"
In which case it's not Judy Hall's interpretation. Important to distinguish that as from reading your post it sounded like you were aunthenticating your post by transliterating something written by Judy Hall, wheras you were in fact just using your own interpretations, which may have been inspired from her books. Very different thing of course so important to distinguish. Personally I don't see the merit in saying your mother probably didn't like you to anyone, it's a massive assumption and not really backed up astrologically which is why I was surprised a professional astrology writer would have made the assumption. It makes more sense that the assumption isn't necessarily hers, but yours.
"Maybe we should talk again within 40 years or so. "
Perhaps, but I find it difficult to imagine my mother will suddenly become smothering and manipulative, after all, her years of mothering are behind her now.
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 2:46 AM"It is very common a Hades moon will sort of hide it's contents."
I hope you can understand that this is not really enough. By which I mean I could say that Sun in Leos are incredibly boring and hate excitement and games, and all the Leos will think "me? I love games", it is not productive to simply fall back on "well sun in leo often hides its contents". I think the only way we can tell if these things are true is by using our personal experience. Presumably unless you have this aspect it is unlikely to be fully understandable by yourself, though we can all make theories. Interestingly Judy Hall has this same aspect as myself from what I can make out, she has Pluto Rising with Moon in the 4H.
Personally I see the Moon-Pluto aspects as relating to intensity in relations and needs with an undertone of personal transformation, perhaps through crisis. The mother may be a source of great will power and may have instilled the lessons of self-will and empowerment into the child, possibly by hard lessons. There may be a great dispensity toward understanding psychological motivations and an almost psychic ability to see beneath the surface of emotional tension, and with the square particularly, this awareness may not always be an easy cross to carry. Sometimes ignorance of psychological struggle and suffering in others is bliss, but for the moon-pluto square person, they may be painfully aware of the effects of destructive emotions, not necessarily because of their own, but because of a natural empathy that this person will have toward others and the square may be the tension necessary to do some productive about this, such as seriously study psychology and work with the 'dreggs' of society that others have shunned. Moon square Pluto may be the one who works for the benefit of the so called 'untouchables'. No emotion is taboo and this can be a bit of a trial, but with it also comes more acceptance and understanding of painful/unwanted emotions. There may also be a sexual tension with the Moon sq Pluto, either a sexuality issue, or some other form. Again we can't tell for definite, but the aspect speculates that this might be the case, but the details of it won't be implicated. (I could go on, but I hope you get the point)
So a Moon-Pluto square might indicate a person's needs and nurturing being transformed in some way - we would need to look at houses and signs and other aspects to find out more. We cannot get the whole picture just from knowing that the two planets form a square. -
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 4:22 AMPaul, we are not talking about Leo's. We are talking about Pluto aspects and as you may know, Pluto is associated with the underworld, also know as the Hades. By definition, a planet that is connected to deeply hidden stuff, will not immediately reveal all it's contents to the full light of day - otherwise it wouldn't be pluto. I thought you knew a bit of astrology as well and I thought this needed no further explaination. Pluto reveals himself only in layers. That happens with the moon and with any other planets he is touching. I thought that would be common sense for everyone, including you. -
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 4:27 AMThe point, marble mind, is that a single, unqualified aspect is not going to give you an accurate picture of what someone actually experiences. I would think that would be common sense for everyone, but perhaps not for you -
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 4:35 AM"The point, marble mind, is that a single, unqualified aspect is not going to give you an accurate picture of what someone actually experiences. I would think that would be common sense for everyone, but perhaps not for you"
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 9:43 AM"I was asked what I knew about the Hades moon. I answered that question to my best knowledge and with the best of my intentions. I was not asked anything else."
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 9:49 AM<Are you trying to convince us that you're a nice person? Maybe you need to convince yourself?>
I think it is better than that. Apparently our pal is saying that she/he's studying to be a psychiatrist and is also a psychic. LOL! -
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 10:11 AM"I think it is better than that. Apparently our pal is saying that she/he's studying to be a psychiatrist and is also a psychic. LOL!"
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 10:21 AMJust became "an ordinary psychotherapist" is seems. Man some people will say anything. The bad part is that there are people that will believe it. -
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 10:28 AMEven worse that people will pay money to believe it! It's criminal. What if Bozo the Unsubscribed Clown gets a client that reminds him/her of the ex-spouse? It doesn't seem like they'd receive fair treatment. I'd even venture a guess that Unsubscribed would use the position to dominate and manipulate some clients in revenge for what his/her ex-spouse put them through.
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 10:40 AMUnsubscribed swamp creature has now changed name to Unsubconscious. Developing the alt, it seems.
It is not real, so no one is paying anything for it. Just luring cybersuckers to get the respect that cannot be gained through straight posting. -
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 10:52 AMOh good. The thought of "Unsubconscious" being able to write prescriptions was unsettling to say the least. Where do I sign up for the Unsubconscious cybersucker psychotherapy experience? I'd like to make myself a client... I can even refer some folks over to him who are brilliant psychotherapists/psychologists who need a good laugh. -
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 10:57 AMThe line starts right here.
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 4:55 AM"The point, marble mind, is that a single, unqualified aspect is not going to give you an accurate picture of what someone actually experiences. I would think that would be common sense for everyone, but perhaps not for you"
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 5:06 AMTaking my 12H Sun conj Pluto as an example, if this is viewed without regard to my 12H Jupiter in Virgo conj Asc or the squares my Scorpio Saturn has to this conjunction, it is likely to create a different picture than if those aspects are included. My experience of Sun conj Pluto, with no House or anything else considered, is not likely to render much of a realistic view of how this affects me.
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:36 AMIf you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 4:53 AM"By definition, a planet that is connected to deeply hidden stuff, will not immediately reveal all it's contents to the full light of day - otherwise it wouldn't be pluto. I thought you knew a bit of astrology as well and I thought this needed no further explaination"
Ok. Allow me to offer another example. It is not fulfilling enough if I were to say about Scorpio that Scorpio is "a light and breezy sign, unemotional and carefree". The Scorpios reading it would say "but that's not me, I'm much deeper and very emotional". It wouldn't be acceptable to just shrug and say "oh well, Scorpio deals with hidden stuff so you just don't realise that you're like this". Does that make more sense? It was an analogy, not particualrly related to any particular sign. THe point being, the only way we can verify astrology is by experience, not just by theory. We cannot make the facts fit the theory, the theory should always fit the facts. Therefore if a lot of people do not relate to this description of Scorpio, we must think to ourselves, perhaps this theory is incorrect, rather than, perhaps these people are wrong. The same is true for Hades Moon or any other aspect. Theories cannot bulldoze facts, the facts bulldoze the theory. If the theory does not reflect the facts, the thing that has to change is theory NOT the facts. It can be a get out to just attribute anything which the person says does not relate by saying "well you secretly are these things, but you just don't know it, but I do".
Does that make more sense now?
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 9:56 AM"Pluto reveals himself only in layers."
Wow, a point without any venom? Unsubscribed, you're so cute when you're on the defensive! It's, dare I say, almost like you're human. YOU only reveal yourself in layers.
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 5:06 AM"And I found the pluto moon tribe extremely interesting and helpful as well. "
I think it is important to focus on these parts as well. If we only focus on the negative we'll not get the full picture. I am against using astrology as a tool to highlight a person's 'bad' points without also acknowledging the good. I find it happens far too often within astrology and is my personal pet-hate when it comes to various astrologers depicting with doom and gloom any particular aspect. I am of the opinion that there are NO 'bad' aspects, signs, houses etc. They are merely different. Bad is VERY subjective and although astrologers very often don't use the bad so bluntly, they connotate that certain signs/houses/aspects are more intrinsically bad than others by not focusing on the positive. Any astrologer who is unable to see the positive to any aspect whatsoever, is missing a very important tool for their trade and in short are not good astrologers. I do not think this is true of you necessarily, as I actually have very little interaction with you, apart from reading the odd comment. However it is a slippery slope, if you only focus on the negative then you are not doing the aspect/sign etc or the 'client' any favours.
So back to the Pluto-Moon example, although it is likely true that this aspect will connotate a stress or tension upon the emotional body it does not necessarily mean that the mother probably did not like you. If you are reading that from this aspect, then you are viewing the aspect through heavily subjectively tinted glasses. The aspect could equally mean that your mother had died protecting your life for example, an extreme but equally valid interpretation. We are not looking at the big picture with this. We do not know the rest of the chart, we do not know the other aspects and regardless of all that, we don't even know the house or sign that this is occurring in. Surely a Pluto in Leo is a very different pluto than when it is in Cancer or Pisces.
Either our motivation as astrologers is to look at the chart in a balanced and objective manner in order to help the 'client' understand themselves better, or it is to justify our own biases by searching for them in the chart. If we are to do the former we will look at the positives and negatives equally and offer advice on how to imporove the positives, if we are doing the latter, we will just focus on the negative and make huge leaps to do so. -
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Re: Hades moon / moon trine pluto
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 5:14 AM"I am of the opinion that there are NO 'bad' aspects, signs, houses etc. They are merely different. Bad is VERY subjective and although astrologers very often don't use the bad so bluntly, they connotate that certain signs/houses/aspects are more intrinsically bad than others by not focusing on the positive. Any astrologer who is unable to see the positive to any aspect whatsoever, is missing a very important tool for their trade and in short are not good astrologers. I do not think this is true of you necessarily, as I actually have very little interaction with you, apart from reading the odd comment. However it is a slippery slope, if you only focus on the negative then you are not doing the aspect/sign etc or the 'client' any favours."
As an example, when I was 17/18 and still only learning astrology, I went to an astrologer in London. He looked at my chart and tutted. Then he looked at me and sighed and told me that I was tortured in a previous life, as seen by my first house SN in Scorpio, and that there was also the implication that in a previous life I was a torturer myself, because there is after all, a lot of scorpio influences there. There was a high probability that I raped someone or was raped myself in a previous life which is why I have such an insatiable sex drive (bare in mind I never opened my mouth to him). He then said that as a Gemini I would be probably very emotionally fickle but that this is just to hide my much deeper pathological need for emotional domination of others. With my Pluto opposition Venus it's very likely that I will be the subject of sexual abuse either in child hood or in prison or a hospital (because of the 12H Pluto) and that this will just set off the cycle of sexual abuse present in my previous lives. you may work with computers (I verified I hoped to be a web designer) he agreed I might be good at that (sun opp Uranus and Moon in Aquar) and that he saw me possibly creating some porn website or site related to war.
He was sure that I was in a war in a previous life and suffered horribly in that life and that in a subsequent life I was then the inflicting the suffering but that in this life, there would need to be some balance, but I'd probably go through some of hte themes again, again he highlighted my Venus-Pluto opp as being a possible sexual abuse or some kind of phase of sexual depravity, probably sado-masichism.
That was about it. He never really highlighted anything postiive. it totally put my 18ish yr old self off astrology for a while, but at the same time I set out to study it myself to see if these thigns were true. Of course they weren't. He went for the lowest possible denominator and ran with it. No sense of balance at all.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 3:49 PM"the scorp kind likes to expose foul deceitful passive-aggressive apologizer like you and make the nice naive folks awareof your sick cunning mind game."
Laux
You have shown that Capricorn Moon is at times, not perfect and has a negative side to it. I'll ask you again. Which of the remaining 11 moon signs IS PERFECT? Which of them is the one that is without fault? Until you can find it, then it is reasonable to assume that you (having one of the other imperfect moon placements) is equally as imperfect as Brendan and everyone else with a Cap Moon.
With this in mind you are no better than anyone else, and certainly in no position to decide that one person's imperfections is less/more perfect than your own. Until you can find the placement of the Moon that is without flaws, then it is completely illogical to say "well this one isn't perfect', because that is true of ALL the moon places, including your own.
Perhaps you could spend your time more constructively looking at your own Moon and pay more attention to that. It is the only person's moon you have any hope of truly understanding and for that matter changing.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 6:27 PM"the scorp kind likes to expose foul deceitful passive-aggressive apologizer like you and make the nice naive folks awareof your sick cunning mind game."
At least I can make coherent sentences. The Laux kind likes to expose herself as a stubborn moron every chance she gets. At least I can pull off a mind game or two if I wanted to. And Laux, at the end of the day you can at least be thankful that I'm not a lawyer.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:50 AM<<<<<<Think of the revolutionary leader and founding fathers of America's history for example. Thomas Jefferson - Asc Cap, George Washington - Cap Moon, Benjamin Franklin - Cap Sun. None of these people were people who played safely within nice little systems. They completely rewrote the rule book. They weren't sitting around comfortably showing off how they can play safely in a system, they were rewriting history.>>>>>>
Don't forget Pluto was in Cap then. The USA natal chart has Pluto in Cap. They had the power to do all they wanted. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:52 AM"Don't forget Pluto was in Cap then. The USA natal chart has Pluto in Cap. They had the power to do all they wanted. "
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:57 AMYeah but they were Cappys! So Pluto was conj. their Asc, moon, etc...
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:00 AM"Combined they would be pretty powerful folks. "
Oh right, yeah, with you now!!
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 6:54 PMFor Capricorn moons who feel like they are wrongly pegged as cold, heartless and/or insensitive, it might help to know the animal that represented Capricorn many ages ago (from what I vaguely remember) was a 'sea-goat'; a goat with fish-tail. So, there would appear to be more sensitivity to this sign than popular literature would lead you to believe. However, this sensitivity may be at least 'partially' hidden (hence the tail in the water), while the rest of it's body (the goat's head and torso, perhaps) is above water (what may be easily visible). You should also think of the actual animal, the goat, and what they're like - timid creatures. So, even though, on the surface, many Capricorn influenced people appear cold or hard, they are shy, and not-so-confident underneath. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 7:05 PMI find the Capricorn Moon to be one of the more vulnerable moons due to its hypersensitivity to reputation, ie., what other people think about me. These people may feel more self-conscious than usual as if their deepest feelings are on display even when they are not. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 7:43 PM"You have shown that Capricorn Moon is at times, not perfect and has a negative side to it. I'll ask you again. Which of the remaining 11 moon signs IS PERFECT? Which of them is the one that is without fault? Until you can find it, then it is reasonable to assume that you (having one of the other imperfect moon placements) is equally as imperfect as Brendan and everyone else with a Cap Moon. "
Where have I shown cap moon as the worst moon? In the end, you guys have been trying to convince me that Brendan was not deceiving, foul, passive-aggressive and that anyone could be as imperfect as Brendan. I am glad Brendan as an individual doesn't represent cap moon.(peope as uncreative as Brendan will probably say thing like: 'I am glad Laux doesn't represent cancer sun) Every aggressive word that I have used was against that the ones who tried to stop me from saying my opinions by using foul language. If most of the things Brendan said on this thread were his aggressive tactics to manipulate, his words can't be taken seriously. I started this thread as an open discussion. Everyone is welcomed to contribute. If you find it so terrible to hear different opinions, no one forces you to stay. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 8:36 PM"Everyone is welcomed to contribute. If you find it so terrible to hear different opinions, no one forces you to stay."
I was going to say the same thing to you, Laux... I hope you meet a guy,fall in love, and then find out he has his moon smack in the middle of good ol' Capricorn. That'd be a riot...
Brendan Brendan Brendan... Stop making me relevant! I fade into the background and only poke my head out from time to time. Ask anyone. I'm usually not this outspoken, but I sort of made you another uncreative project. Post your natal chart! I want to see your moon and that big, scary scorpio stellium you threatened me with.
"Every aggressive word that I have used was against that the ones who tried to stop me from saying my opinions by using foul language."
Again, you need to do your English homework. This is sloppy. I'd put red ink all over it. Make your teacher happy and crack open a book from time to time. A good book about Astrology might be a good start. Books are your friends. Stay in school, young lady! -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:21 PM"I hope you meet a guy,fall in love, and then find out he has his moon smack in the middle of good ol' Capricorn. That'd be a riot... "
Let me say it again: I don't dislike cap moon. The fact that your deceitful, manipulative way in most of your posts exposed yourself as a conniving, serpent like liar doesn’t make me dislike the entire goat clan. There are still some decent goats, who made valuable contribution on this thread.
Are you trying to divert people’s attention from your deceit to my love life or to my typo and sentence? Does playing English teacher here elevate you from your underground serpent place where you play dirty mind-game? -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 11:25 AM"...serpent like liar doesn’t make me dislike the entire goat clan"
Where have I lied? Can you prove it? Oh, that's right, you're a ditz...
"Are you trying to divert people’s attention from your deceit to my love life or to my typo and sentence? Does playing English teacher here elevate you from your underground serpent place where you play dirty mind-game?"
Someone once said that communication is only possible between equals. Just trying to make it more interesting for myself. I hate to read your stilted sentences when there was so much potential in what you were trying to say. But yeah, it's a dirty mind game. You have the dirty mind and I'm playing the games.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:34 PM<They could open up to only the stupid and weak ones, who need help>
Read between the lines, Laux. That was in your original post. Do you think an insulting comment like that creates a tone of good will? While some of the people you insulted here with your bigotry have kept their cool, I am certain that your attitude is not one that they particularly appreciate.
<If you find it so terrible to hear different opinions, no one forces you to stay.>
Since when did you become mod here, willow?
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:09 AMLaux
"Where have I shown cap moon as the worst moon?"
For all your rebuking of other people's intelligence, you occasionally show a particular lack of it yourself, as indeed we all do from time to time. Can it really be that you do not understand the point I am making here? NOBODY IS PERFECT. Nobody. Not you. Not Brendan. Nobody. Therefore highlighting all the times when Cap Moon isn't perfect is pointless. We could start a thread on each of the other zodiac signs also, but unless we look at each one in a balanced way, their positives and negatives, we won't learn anything.
Also it seems that you have decided that this thread is actually about Brendan when in reality this thread is about Capricorn Moons and your insistence upon tarring all Cap Moons with the one brush, despite many examples and analogies to the contrary. Sherpa made an excellent point about the 'defencelessness' of Cap because it partially relies upon reputation and approval from others. At times it seems that you understand and accept this, but then you will just make more sweeping judgements.
"In the end, you guys have been trying to convince me that Brendan was not deceiving, foul, passive-aggressive and that anyone could be as imperfect as Brendan"
Nope. I've been trying to convince you that there are many sides to the Cap Moon, and that no Moon is perfect anyway. Each one has it's negatives. Brendan is not the incarnation of Capricorn Moon. If you have issues with Brendan, then your issues are with Brendan, not with Capricorn Moon, so presumably the notion of these issues with Brendan are completely unrelated to this thread.
"Every aggressive word that I have used was against that the ones who tried to stop me from saying my opinions by using foul language."
The worst bit is that you might actually believe this. Your opening post on this thread was that. Re-read your posts as if you were a capricorn moon and find all the times you were using passive-aggressive language. It seems you don't have a good word to say for Cap Moon, except when it suits your purpose to further highlight their negative ones.
Here, let me help you, imagine reading this as a third party, with your own sensitive moon happening to be in cap. This is what you are saying about 1/12th of the population who you have never even met:
"They could open up to only the stupid and weak ones,"
"They seem to constantly have competition with others for respect"
"they don't forget to correct others (maybe to show superiority"
"They look irritated by others quite easily"
"They do everything to prevent you from coming closer. "
"in a way, they decide when to make you talk to them"
"They need to secure their power before they give compassion"
"Cap moons want to be leaders... every step is calculated towards that position"
"they want to show you who is the boss, and they judge people. "
"they want perfection, and they constantly judge people in their mind."
"The safest way to get along with a cap moon is to keep a distance. "
"the extent that they need respect make them ...[the] manipulator of all situations"
"cap moons feel superior and this sense of superiority sometimes overshadows the empathy in them if there is any. "
"Do you actually think your cap moon can bully my scorp stellium?"
etc etc.
Can you see how others would view this? Substitute Cap Moon for some other delineation of character. Perhaps we'll substitute it for 'Black People', or 'Women', or 'Jews' or 'Poor people' or 'Astrologers' or anything else.
Can you imagine that people would be annoyed if I said "WOMEN could open up to only the stupid and weak ones" or that "The safest way to get along with a Black man is to keep a distance".
Put simply, you cannot make these broad sweeping generalisations. If you want to understand the astrological connections to power in any general way, you cannot do so by discarding everything you do not like and using astrology to vindicate your own prejudice of any sign or aspect. You must look at things in a balanced way.
It's not just you of course. Joakim is also at fault, in my opinion, of tarring cap moon with one brush. I don't mean to isolate you in this, merely to attempt to highlight your opinions on Cap Moon as observable by someone casually reading your posts. I don't know whether these posts of yours adequately reflect your view of Cap Moon, but seeing as how we've nothing else to go on, we will be forced to accept that unless something is said otherwise, that these ARE your opinions of Cap Moon. The only good thing you said about them is that they are polite, but you then swiftly made this a negative by connotating 'polite' as being somehow emotionally distanced.
"They could open up to only the stupid and weak ones,"
"but he was once so emotionally caught up by something that he rang me at 3 am"
By your own definition of logic, if Cap Moons only open up to stupid and weak people, and one of them opened up to you, what does this say about you? If you disagree that you are weak and stupid, then you must also accept that the first statement is not definitive and is in fact not based on anything factual.
"Everyone is welcomed to contribute. If you find it so terrible to hear different opinions, no one forces you to stay. "
Thank you, I understand the rules of Tribe.net perfectly well. By the same token, if you don't like Brendan, nobody is forcing you to talk to/about him. Surely you understand this too? The same would be true for anyone else, including Amiable for that matter.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:36 AM<Sherpa made an excellent point about the 'defencelessness' of Cap because it partially relies upon reputation and approval from others. At times it seems that you understand and accept this, but then you will just make more sweeping judgements. >
Yeah. My Aqua Moon has no problem dealing with this, so she can pick on me to her heart's content. Kind of gets my juices flowing and amuses me in a kind of semi-bored, but oh well, here's the action, such as it is, sort of way.
<By your own definition of logic, if Cap Moons only open up to stupid and weak people, and one of them opened up to you, what does this say about you? If you disagree that you are weak and stupid, then you must also accept that the first statement is not definitive and is in fact not based on anything factual.>
Yes, I did also make this point, Paul, but our friend here who doesn't seem to know what passive-aggressive means and who tripped herself up with her own "logic" didn't respond to this obvious flaw in her thinking. That figures. She only posts to points she thinks she can weasel out of, and that was not one of them. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:40 AM"Yes, I did also make this point, Paul, but our friend here who doesn't seem to know what passive-aggressive means and who tripped herself up with her own "logic" didn't respond to this obvious flaw in her thinking. That figures. She only posts to points she thinks she can weasel out of, and that was not one of them."
Yeah I wasn't going to mention it again, but Laux just mentioned the 'phoned me at 3am' thing again. It's a little embarassing when someone so obviously contradicts themselves, but Laux doesn't seem to have noticed this yet.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:46 AM"Which is no small surprise from someone so logical and humorous. "
It's interesting, from my point of view, that Laux is accusing others of being illogical, when in my mind the most illogical posts are Laux's. The posts about the 3am phone call is just one example. Unless of course it isn't illogical and Laux really is weak and stupid as the previous statement insists. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:53 AM~~~ and that no Moon is perfect anyway.~~~
My Gemini Moon is perfect..it's that "other one" that's all fucked up....Hahaha....
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 2:00 AMPaul,
"The posts about the 3am phone call is just one example. "
What don't you understand? Here is my answer to amiablehermit again (I am in my patient mood today): A good friend with cap moon rang me at 3 am (unusual time for a polite goat to call) ; this showed that he was too anxious to fall asleep. He might not be ready to tell what was bothering him, or he might not know why he was unsettled inside, but he needed a friend at the time.
The only thing I know from this phone call was that he needed a friend at the time, but he kept his weakness to himself, which I didn't have to know. If you called this "opening up", I don't know what to say except: I don't mind if he saw me as a weak one because that is a typical cap moon superiority complex. -
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 2:11 AM"superiority complex."
Interesting "loaded" word choice
More likely like you said in this post, didn't really know what they were feeling.
And wasn't to comfortable just laying out on the table.
A Cap moon does not ware it's heart on it's sleeve.
This is the Opposite of Cancer that shell applies here too
The earth part of that water / earth balance. the Cap side is the shell of Cancer.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 2:15 AM"A Cap moon does not ware it's heart on it's sleeve.
This is the Opposite of Cancer that shell applies here too "
It is interesting that many people will say emotions should be like X, Y and Z, because MY emotions are like that. So if your emotional outlook is different to that, there must be something wrong with you. I think every Cancer has the underlying energy of Cap, because they are opposite. They are the same energy on a different end of the spectrum.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 3:07 AM<The only thing I know from this phone call was that he needed a friend at the time, but he kept his weakness to himself, which I didn't have to know. If you called this "opening up", I don't know what to say except: I don't mind if he saw me as a weak one because that is a typical cap moon superiority complex.>
Sheesh! Look at this monstrosity:
<but he kept his weakness to himself>
How do you even know it was a "weakness"? If he didn't tell you what was bothering him, how do you know what it was? So why are you automatically calling it a "weakness"? Why that word? Why not, for example, his "concern" or "problem" or just "whatever was on his mind"?
<I don't mind if he saw me as a weak one because that is a typical cap moon superiority complex.>
Now it is clear just how you are trying to weasel out of what you said in your original post about Cap Moons only confiding in the stupid and the weak, since he reached out to you, and YOU CAN'T possibly be stupid or weak, so he had to imagine that you were ~ your "good friend" who knew you well enough to overcome his Cap Moon vulnerability to call you at 3 am. LOL! You are really rich! Yes, impeccable logic there, to be sure! Just had to be his Cap Moon superiority complex interpreting you as weak. Couldn't be that you had manipulated him into thinking that you were somehow in possession of human emotions and might empathize. Clearly he would have been wrong in that estimation of you anyway.
Grow up and get over yourself. Also read some Aristotle and find out what a syllogism is.
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Re: capricorn moons want power?
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 3:19 AM"<but he kept his weakness to himself>
How do you even know it was a "weakness"? "
That's exactly it Amiable. his 'weakness'? Look back at Laux's first post:
"They could open up to only the STUPID and WEAK ones, who need help"
But these descriptions of 'weak' and 'stupid' are defined by who? The Cap Moon people? Can't be, they didn't post it. They are defined by Laux. It is Laux's view that these people are 'weak' and 'stupid' and with Laux's own observation, the Cap Moon people open up to them who need help, whilst Laux herself is too busy labelling these people who need help as being weak and stupid. It's an interesting one isn't it?
It is actually not the Cap Moon people who view emotions as being weak, it is Laux. Further proof in the 'kept his weakness to himself'. For all Laux knows this person needed genuine help and support because of a traumatic emotional crisis. How should Laux respond? Label his problems as a sign of weakness and the fact that he needs help as being indicative of a superiority complex. Every time Laux posts, it reveals more and more about Laux's frame of mind than it does about Cap Moon. This thread has become an example of the effects of self-delusion and projection. It is interesting though.
Also how can you label your 'good friend's emotional needs as being nothing more than 'weakness' and when your friend is at his lowest and needs help from you, how can you respond by looking down at him as having nothign more than a superiority complex. Some friend. -
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 3:40 AM<It is actually not the Cap Moon people who view emotions as being weak, it is Laux. Further proof in the 'kept his weakness to himself'. For all Laux knows this person needed genuine help and support because of a traumatic emotional crisis. How should Laux respond? Label his problems as a sign of weakness and the fact that he needs help as being indicative of a superiority complex. Every time Laux posts, it reveals more and more about Laux's frame of mind than it does about Cap Moon. This thread has become an example of the effects of self-delusion and projection. It is interesting though.>
And actually, if you look at the structure of the original argument, the assertion is not that he needs help, but that he can only open up to those who are stupid and weak and who THEMSELVES need help. Therefore, one would have to say that he called her because she is stupid and weak and needs help herself. Actually from what she has displayed here, I would have to agree with him if he actually thought that, which I doubt. But it doesn't make her self-projection less true.
Yes, it is interesting in a pathetic, nauseating sort of way. Like watching someone self-destruct before your eyes, committing one act of self-betrayal after another and seeming to be oblivious of what she is doing. Kind of like watching a blind rat trying to find its way out of maze. -
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 4:17 AM"Kind of like watching a blind rat trying to find its way out of maze. "
Yeah it's kinda like watching someone hit their head against the wall continuously, whilst blaming the wall for being so hard and for attacking him.
"but that he can only open up to those who are stupid and weak and who THEMSELVES need help"
well that's kinda my point really, that he is opening up to people who LAUX recognises as needing help (as they were HIS defintions) whilst LAUX himself sees them as being weak and stupid. It is quite funny then, that Laux should connotate that it is the person who is helping someone who needs help, as being the one that is emotionally distant and cold. Whilst presuming that Laux himself is the one with the correct emotional outlook, Laux, who rather than help people who need help, instead views people who need help as being weak and stupid.
In other words, Laux views a certain person as being weak, stupid and needing help, and then rebukes the Cap Moon for opening up to that person, presuming that the cap moon can ONLY open up to these people. All this goes on without realising that it is Laux who has judged that person to be weak, stupid and needing help in the first place, not the cap moon. They may not be any of those things. The facts therefore would fit the theory, rather than the theory fitting the facts. Laux is judging people as being weak when they need some emotional help.
On top of all this, the icing on the cake, is that Laux then proceeds to call OTHER people illogical. It seems the notion of logic (and for that passive-aggression) is lost on him. I can understand that not everyone can recognise logical and illogical arguments as easily as others, but surely anyone who reads these posts can recognise that they are illogical, presumably if this is so, then Laux himself should be easily able to do that too.
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 4:31 AMWell, unless this exercise in futility is going to continue on the train wreck collision course that Dragon sees, I think it is about exhausted. Although, it is true that we may yet hear more non sequiturs from the Unsubscribed troll in defense of the indefensible. I would not be surprised.
Frankly what I have seen here of all the Capricorn Moons I have found impressive and not in the least like the characterizations of our insecure little friends here in terms of being manipulative, humorless, suffering from delusions of superiority, and the rest of that dreck. I have to totally agree with you, Paul, that it is blatantly obvious that these qualities are projections from our suspect chartless friends who seem to have to disguise themselves and cower in the shadow of anonymity and althood to feel comfortable posting here. No doubt because they can't afford to expose themselves ~ emotionally or in any other way. Nevertheless, they do. They just don't know it. -
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 4:33 AMAh, yes! I should have figured that we would hear from our friend born in the sign of the meatball on this matter! It just keeps getting better and better!
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:37 AMIf you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:50 AMPaul,
I will sum up your long rant as 'laux, why did you imply we cap moons are imperfect."
If you think my observation and discussion about cap moon are so negative, you are welcomed to deny them. I don't dislike cap moons.
I share my observations and want to hear people's opinions. I can choose to agree or disagree.
"By the same token, if you don't like Brendan, nobody is forcing you to talk to/about him. Surely you understand this too? The same would be true for anyone else, including Amiable for that matter. "
I tried not to ignore someone (Brendan) who kept talking to me, and you guys kept trying to convince me Brendan was not a manipulative sly person, so I had to respond to you. -
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:57 AM"I will sum up your long rant as 'laux, why did you imply we cap moons are imperfect. "
A rant? Is everyone who disagrees with you ranting? Did you bother to read it?
"If you think my observation and discussion about cap moon are so negative, you are welcomed to deny them. I don't dislike cap moons."
Well if you don't dislike them, your methods of communication are such that it is impossible to realise this, considering as we do, that you have nothing good to say.
Let's just deal with the positives of a Cap Moon. What are the positive qualities of the Cap Moon? What kind of child is the child with moon in capricorn? Do not content yourself with surface appearances, try and think about the psychology of the child. Only deal with the positive side for a moment, you've already summed up the negative side.
"you guys kept trying to convince me Brendan was not a manipulative sly person, so I had to respond to you. "
But if you have issues with Brendan, not related to his Cap Moon, then those issues are not related to this thread. If you are interested in resolving them, the best way might be to do so privately. Your own posts are particularly passive aggressive. Perhaps these issues are your own and they tint your vision.
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 2:04 AMI notice that any post, no matter how calm and reasoned, that you don't happen to like (i.e., calls you down on a logical absurdity) you call a rant. Again, you seem not to know the meaning of that word, either.
<I tried not to ignore someone (Brendan) who kept talking to me, and you guys kept trying to convince me Brendan was not a manipulative sly person, so I had to respond to you.>
You have absolutely no basis for this insulting remark about Brendan. You are provocateur, and as such, he defended himself against your bigotry. No blame there. Nothing sly or manipulative about that at all. In fact, it is patently obvious that he has been very upfront with you all along, and has even emotionally exposed himself, which, in your estimation, should be well nigh impossible for him to do.
You, on the other hand, as has been repeatedly pointed out, can't even screw up enough courage to post a chart ~ not that I would take it as genuine from someone like you. You act as though YOU are the one with something to hide, which I think is the crux of that matter. The typical tactic for someone in your position is to accuse others of that for which you yourself are guilty. That can be easily deduced by a four-year-old, so as a defense tactic, it is highly unimpressive and totally transparent. So I would say that it is clear that you are the manipulative and sly one in this equation, although you are not very clever at any of it.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:34 PMYes in fact their deepest feelings often have to be dug out from them. All you see is stoic calmness, but inside they are not as settled as they might see. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:40 PMTell me, Lady Saber ~ does this mean that you can only open up to the stupid and the weak who need your help? -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:46 PMI'd rather not open up to the weaker really. Not my cup of tea. But that said, everyone has their weak points. I have my fair share of people who seem strong and put together, but needs a listening ear for a niggling problem that no one knows about. And of course there are others who keep asking for advise but don't take it very well. In which case I just shut up and move lol
In that respect Cappy moons also make good keepers of secrets. You can trust them with your weaknesses and secrets, because you know that these won't be ridiculed publicly.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:55 PM"Yes in fact their deepest feelings often have to be dug out from them. All you see is stoic calmness, but inside they are not as settled as they might see."
Yes a very good cap moon friend of mine looks calm and cheerful all the time, and he gives advice to people in need, but he was once so emotionally caught up by something that he rang me at 3 am. I was quite shocked at the time. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:57 PMPost your natal chart Laux. I would love to see it :-) -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:02 PMDon't expect it to be real, Lady Saber. Too many people would recognize her.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 10:58 PMWell, by your logic, then, you must be one of the stupid and the weak. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:18 PMRinging someone at 3 am doesn't mean opening up to the person. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:23 PMLOL! So this was an example of what? What lines are there to read between here? -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:26 PMthe lines were in the sand anyways..... im sure they're gone by now
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:06 AM"LOL! So this was an example of what? What lines are there to read between here? "
For god's sake.
I will explain to you: A good friend with cap moon rang me at 3 am (unusual time for a polite goat to call) ; this showed that he was too anxious to fall asleep. He might not be ready to tell what was bothering him, or he might not know why he was unsettled inside, but he needed a friend at the time. -
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:11 AMDuh. So what did he say? How's the weather?
And you actually have a friend with a Cap Moon? Wonder if he is aware of your opinion of his Moon.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:07 PMLadysaber, I made the previous post after your post.
"In that respect Cappy moons also make good keepers of secrets. You can trust them with your weaknesses and secrets, because you know that these won't be ridiculed publicly."
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:09 PM"Ladysaber, I made the previous post after your post. "
I meant before you post.
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:40 AM
You, on the other hand, as has been repeatedly pointed out, can't even screw up enough courage to post a chart ~ not that I would take it as genuine from someone like you. You act as though YOU are the one with something to hide, which I think is the crux of that matter. The typical tactic for someone in your position is to accuse others of that for which you yourself are guilty. That can be easily deduced by a four-year-old, so as a defense tactic, it is highly unimpressive and totally transparent. So I would say that it is clear that you are the manipulative and sly one in this equation, although you are not very clever at any of it.
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
If you are so new to this tribe, then I don't see how you think you know me well enough to judge me. Ah! Well, yes. You have a Scorpio Moon, don't you. By the logic that this thread started out with, I can say that that explains you completely.
WTF is wrong with you people? It's a friggin Moon you don't have and clearly don't understand and are just picking on because you have nothing more creative to do with yourselves. Hell, my chart's posted ~ have field day, but don't be too stupid with it or I assure you that there will be lots of shooting you in a barrel like a friggin fish. Is this tribe now populated with mainly trolls and assholes or what?
Whenever I discuss Scorpio Suns and Scorpio Moons, I always say ~ but there is mem. Did that today, in fact, with scasco. You are a unique person, mem. And I always remain open-minded for exceptions to every "rule." Too bad some people around here are such blinded assholes that they don't do the same.
And those born with a Meatball Moon have opinions about other people that are drowning in brown sauce. Take a break. Get dessert. Pastry would be good for you.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
But you are quite right ~ even with this free time that I am presently enjoying, speaking to you is not something I should even consider doing since it is clear that you have nothing of any value to offer and that you are just a waste of time ~ even free time.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:02 PMOH MY GOD!!!
this is getting totally nuts.... is everyone crazy??????
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:05 PM<this is getting totally nuts.... is everyone crazy??????>
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:12 PMawww, amiable........ (hug)
yeah, everyone is crazy.............. I guess its cool. watever.
you could write this 6 page paper for me... if you need something to channel your energy into.... I will probably wait 2 hours before its due. i guess i am staying up all night tonight.... ugh........
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