Astrology Of Spirits

topic posted Mon, November 9, 2009 - 2:29 AM by  Z
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Has it been determined how a persons Natal could allow them to come through from the other side more readily than say with other Astrological placements?
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  • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

    Mon, November 9, 2009 - 9:28 AM
    if I am reading you question correctly & you are asking about the powers of dead people, I'd have to guess that someone's 'birth chart' is no longer applicable after the death of that specific incarnation ~ the power to perceive 'dead people' et al., resides in the living

    I guess that some ghosts/spirits can be 'stronger' than others ~ but no matter how strong, a living person bent on 'not perceiving' them is much, much 'stronger'....

    but, maybe during life, a person's natal chart may give them the ability to 'store up' energy and/or knowledge that may be a help in the 'afterlife' (earthbound or not) ~ one of the *spirits* who communicates with me frequently, was a stage/silent screen actress during life & I've always though that her experience with communicating through other means than directly verbal ones kinda gave her an edge in getting through to me (I am particularly stubborn & didn't believe that spirits were able to communicate for most of my life, until she clued me in) ~

    I've had some photos of her displayed on my walls for years & the more *sensitive* amongst my friends would always comment on the photos & ask about her ~ often saying that they were somewhat "compelled" to ask ~ she loves the attention ~ in fact, the moment that I started writing about her in this post, she started to correct some of my writing!

    love all-ways,
    mem
  • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

    Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:24 AM
    This involves one's perception of what "coming through from the other side" actually means. I personally think that there are no supernatural laws--only natural laws that we don't quite understand yet. I think some apparitions are energy fields that may be attached to a particular place, and some people are more "porous" and can see them easier than others. An energy field, I am told, can be residue from an intense emotional experience. For example, 30 years ago, when Eastern Airlines Flight 401 went down in the Everglades, part of the flight's food ovens were recovered and used in a new aircraft. The new aircraft started getting a lot of flight crew members saying they were having apparitions of some of the flight people who had died in the Everglades crash. The parapsychologists that Eastern eventually brought in figured out that the dead flight members' energy was somehow connected to the food ovens. Once those were removed, the apparitions ceased.

    I do feel that charts live on after death. If you don't believe it, find a death event in a family, then check the charts of the already-deceased parents or grandparents. There is usually an aspect indicating death.

    In answer to your question, Z, I haven't really investigated whether some people are more porous and more able to come through from the other side. But I would hazard a guess that conjunctions to Pluto, Neptune, or Uranus would be especially strong, and that water signs would also dominate.

    Michele
    • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

      Mon, November 9, 2009 - 9:30 PM
      "I do feel that charts live on after death. If you don't believe it, find a death event in a family, then check the charts of the already-deceased parents or grandparents. There is usually an aspect indicating death."

      Hi Michele,
      Could elaborate on that? Because I would really like to try it out....

      Also,
      Are you saying that a deceased family member can some how participate in the death of another?
      Such as help them "crossover"?

      Or maybe just be a familiar presence to relieve any anxiety?
      And example that come to mind is a person on their death bed who has a vision of their parents, a lost child etc...coming to see them.

      From personal experience,
      I received a visit from my deceased husband in a dream the night before my son and I had a near-fatal car accident that put my (our) son in ICU...


      • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

        Tue, November 10, 2009 - 10:42 AM
        OneinMotion -

        I didn't mean to imply that the deceased family member charts caused anything. They simply reflect what's going on in the tribal line. (Which is a whole 'nother topic.) Example: At the time that JFK Jr. was killed in a plane crash in 1989, his father, the late President JF Kennedy had transiting Pluto opposing the natal Sun in his natal chart. (Not that Pluto opposing the Sun always means death. But it could.)

        Actually, I hadn't thought of the idea that it could mean the ancestor would be helping the person cross over. But that's a nice thought.

        Michele
        • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

          Tue, November 10, 2009 - 1:37 PM
          'I do feel that charts live on after death. If you don't believe it, find a death event in a family, then check the charts of the already-deceased parents or grandparents. There is usually an aspect indicating death."

          Perhaps the chart of a deceased person is only relevant to the synastries of those people left behind
        • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

          Tue, November 10, 2009 - 3:25 PM
          I actually needed to re word that. I was not implying they 'caused' anything.

          In the example I gave with my deceased husband, I felt he came to warn us...
          as messenger. That is what I was getting at.
  • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

    Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:28 AM
    I'd agree that it depends on what you menn and I'd say that there are quite a few levels that it could depend on:
    *Crossing over into the other side ... is this death/life, past/present, some other dimension to another?
    *There may be a difference between people that are sensitive /susceptible to other sides and those who can willingly penetrate through to them
    *There are different levels one might cross - mental, emotional, physical - to name a few (there are probably others)
    There is also a question of awareness. How aware are people about their own experiences? If something is happening at a mental or emotional level - how is it perceived? If people are "seeing or hearing things" - how do they interpret it?
    There is another question about the medium that one crosses over through - dreams, verbal communication, visible signs/symbols, physical sensations, actual relocation (maybe out of body experience - maybe even physical travel), emotional "vibes", artistic work of all kinds ... past lives ... closely associated spirits ... I don't know a whole heck of a lot about it all actually.

    I have sort of a theory about some of this but I don't know ...
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      Re: Astrology Of Spirits

      Mon, November 9, 2009 - 3:25 PM
      Thanks for your thoughts! Not a question one ponders everyday but I do find this type of topic interesting.
      • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

        Mon, November 9, 2009 - 6:09 PM
        Do you have any thoughts about it Z?

        It's a topic that I find very interesting ... but am a little shy to talk a lot about ... it seems a little 'dangerous'.
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          Re: Astrology Of Spirits

          Tue, November 10, 2009 - 12:32 AM
          I have thoughts on it, the thing is it ties into one's spiritual upbringing along with things like we find in faith. Alongside Astronomy/Astrology I've studied paranormal too. I like the high tec ones like you find on t.v. so the instance can be replayed, the one from Penn State is my favorite www.paranormalresearchsociety.org/i...hp
          I've been traveling down the road of questioning what I was taught being brought up - questioning the religions - wondering about the truth. I would like to get others perspectives on the afterlife too if you feel like sharing and I want tell you your wrong. I'm just thinking - we are all headed down that way at the end of the road - maybe just doing the three G's (good thoughts, words and deeds) is enough and let the rest be a mystery.
          • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

            Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:42 AM
            If Reincarnation is possible, we could come back with different charts.

            I have heard that we make a Soul contract, and that we have to fufill certain things.
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              Re: Astrology Of Spirits

              Tue, November 10, 2009 - 4:01 PM
              Maybe there are certian contracts and things to fulfill, everything is also so variable here in this dimension.

              Something I was going to share was during one "spirit investigation", not from the link I gave but another group, contacted the spirit of a child. The child would communicate by spinning a pendulum pointing to letters - then it stopped. The EVP playback had the spirit voice of the girl saying she didn't tell his name and the other more aggressive male asking her this 2 or 3 times. If she told them his name maybe through it he would loose hold over her, he definately sounded concerned.

              With the advance in this field in the future I think it will help us to understand the world around us better as well as the next dimension too.
              • Re: Astrology Of Spirits

                Wed, November 11, 2009 - 12:16 AM
                >>>
                Something I was going to share was during one "spirit investigation", not from the link I gave but another group, contacted the spirit of a child. The child would communicate by spinning a pendulum pointing to letters - then it stopped. The EVP playback had the spirit voice of the girl saying she didn't tell his name and the other more aggressive male asking her this 2 or 3 times. If she told them his name maybe through it he would loose hold over her, he definately sounded concerned.
                >>>

                This sort of thing also fascinates me!
                But what I want to know FIRST ... is how do those machines (EVPs and things) precisely work. Exactly what inputs get mapped to the voices they output? Call me a skeptic ... but I would like to know a bit about the technical end of things before thinking too much more about it. It sure is amazing, dramatic and exciting, though!

                The idea that we exist in a world filled with spirits that have natures different than human and even spirits of ancestors passed is neither new nor unusual. It seems to be a fairly common theme throughout history and mythology across nationalities and ethnicities. So I wouldn't be all that surprised if we were to find some truth in it.
                This kind of thing could potentially change a lot about the way scientific and modern society relate to the world around them. But it does depend a lot on what exactly is going on with that technology.

                I tend to think that certain houses point to particular dimensions that a person might naturally associate with closely or tend towards.
                I think that certain planets might give clues as to the methods of crossing (communication, dreams, signs, encounters, past lives phenomenon, out of body experiences).
                I think that certain planetary configurations might also point to unique methods of crossing over that also incorporate the corresponding houses of those planets.

                As for the spirits of the dead walking the earth and trying to contact the living - I would tend to ask which part of the person precisely remains and which part moves on. I would tend to ask - but might not actually ask simply because I'm not sure I would really understand. There is a lot that we don't understand when we tread this ground. I think we have to especially be aware of how easily spirits could trick us in this case. One type of spirit (assuming they exist) could very well attempt to pass itself for another. How would we tell?

                In the case of exploring the possibility that other dimensions coincide with our own on some level (across what type of boundary I could not tell you) - I would also question the purpose of such crossings ... to what benefit are they? In what way do the paths really cross in a practical or meaningful sense? It just seems to me that as curious as I might sometimes be about it - the risk is high relative to the potential benefit. So even if I might wonder and even theorize - I tend to "pull back" from it all in a way.
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                  Re: Astrology Of Spirits

                  Thu, November 12, 2009 - 2:32 AM
                  Yes, there's alot to consider I know. It does give me a boost of faith though to think that death is not the end. I wonder if the age of an apparition or how a person wants to exist beyond might also be noted Nataly?

                  I would also like to explore more of what Peter mentioned if someone might know more about things to fulfill.

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