I read an intresting article somewhere sherpa about Neptune being the higher octave of Mercury.. It was a pretty intresting point of view!...

Let me see if I can find a part of it....

Now in mainstream astrology, the discovery of Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and now Chiron into the planetary family has caused astrologers to assign them rulerships too. Uranus is at home in Aquarius, Neptune in Pisces, Pluto in Scorpio, and Chiron has not found a conclusive home yet (we need to give this question more time!). Some astrologers have forgotten the old rulerships of Aquarius (Saturn), Pisces (Jupiter) and Scorpio (Mars), rating the outer planets equally to the personality-building planets. This is not entirely astute, because the newer-discovered outer planets operate in a rather different energy-sphere to the traditional, visible planets – there is significance in their later discovery in recent centuries (and there is also some evidence that the ancients actually knew about these 'newly-discovered' planets too).

It is valid to use both the old inner-planet sign rulerships and the newer outer-planet ones, for these planets work on different levels, and through each other. The outer planets (Chiron to Pluto) cannot express themselves clearly into the world and the level of human personality except through the personality-building planets (Sun to Saturn), since they work through the unconscious only, in themselves, and the unconscious, to communicate, must exprreess itself through the medium of the conscious. The inner and outer planets work on different energy-octaves, and thus they can complement but they don't necessarily replace one another in terms of rulerships. It seems best at the moment to allow Chiron to live without a sign rulership – we might be a little neurotic in looking for one, seeking to fit Chiron into a traditional system it might not want to fit into. I have heard astrologers linking Chiron to Libra, Sagittarius, Virgo and Pisces, all for different reasons, and my personal feeling is to sit on this question for a longer time and look more closely before forming conclusions.

One interesting pattern worthy of note is that the outer planets each could be seen to have connections with at least four signs, which manifest different facets of these planets' workings. This pattern gives credence both to old and new sign rulerships, and there is some meaning to it (this is an idea sparked off by Dane Rudhyar, one of the great figures of 20th Century astrology). Uranus can be said to hold influence over Capricorn, Cancer and Leo as well as Aquarius, and in doing so, it demonstrates the full profile of uranian influence – for change is facilitated first through resistance to change, through a buildup of pressure, which takes place in Capricorn and Cancer. Neptune can be said to influence the four mutable signs, Gemini, Virgo and Sagittarius as well as Pisces – while Pisces has obvious connections with Neptune, the three other signs, dealing as they do with reality-systems in their different facets, with mentalistic holding-together (Gemini and Virgo) as well as with intuitive letting loose (Sagittarius and Pisces), and with transition, demonstrate different possible Neptune connections. Pluto can be said to influence Aries, Taurus and Libra as well as Scorpio: the resistance to change manifested through Libra and Taurus is as much a part of that change as Scorpio and Aries are. Think about it, for this pattern has interesting implications.

Opposite to the home signs are the so-called detriment signs. This is an unfortunate traditional term (like 'fall', later on) which suggests a value judgement which is not really there. Astrology has no 'good' or 'bad' attached to it. When a planet is 'in detriment' (for example, Jupiter in Gemini or Virgo, opposite Sagittarius and Pisces, its home signs) it expresses itself at least as strongly as it does in a home sign, but it shows some of its excesses, insufficiencies and rough edges. These need working on if the planet is to move its energy well. So, Jupiter in Gemini, for example, takes the lust for experience which Sagittarius possesses, and turns it into intellectual seeking and knowledge, which in turn can lead to some heady disconnection from reality and reliance on concepts and rationalisation in place of the hearty belief-power Sagittarius lives with. Jupiter in Virgo can attach itself to down-to-earth practical considerations, which can lead to great results, but also this can block the vision, perspective and faith which Pisces works with – Virgo tends to doubt things. In general, signs opposite one another reflect contrastingly different sides of the same question, for each sign has its opposite hidden paradoxically within it.

nice

sherpa wrote:
"I see Virgo (especially those with Virgo Rising) as preoccupied with striving to perfect the world around them and Pisces (especially those with Pisces Rising) as striving to perfect the world within them. The Virgo/Pisces polarity also, IMO, expresses the dynamic contraries of order and chaos, not as separate states but as an interactive polarity. "



I don't see the world that pisces wants to perfect as being internal.
I think perfection to pisces is like all humankind reaching transcendence.
i could see transcendence as appearing internal, but I don't think that pisces sees it that way at all.

Its the connectedness part. if you connect to everything, you are everything and everything is you. that's a little like smudging internal and external boundaries.

(boo hoo! my inner mermaid is sooo misunderstood!)

My hurricanes feel like the atlantic ocean just exploded o.0
tight grand water trine with cancer moon, pisces sun, and scorpio uranus set off(or iced usually) by pluto squaring moon

evacuate now!

the only thing that can save you if you don't get out in time will be made out of taurus in some way most likely lol!
(well actually it is a kite with saturn opposing sun...thank goodness lol...that virgo saturn is very helpful in its way....usually holds it in long enough to get the ice going)
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wow...aries driving the wind...
I wonder if anyone saw it coming o.0