This is interesting. I've also noticed and heard that hard aspects to Moon can indicate this.

I hope someone has more insight on this.

PKG

Hi Roxy, Donna Cunningham (author of astrology books) also noticed a lot of pluto influences with drug addicts. I was surprised at first when I read this (must be about 15 years ago) but ever since I noticed quite a few scorpio suns & moons with heavy addiction problems. Of course quite a lot of them are dealers as well.

Apart from that, everyone has neptune & pisces somewhere in the chart. Personally I think everyone is addicted to something. For most people this may be alcohol, cigarettes, coffee and so on. I don't drink or smoke, but am addicted to solitude and intimacy (not an easy combination, I can tell you). I also know people who are addicted to company, art, having fun, getting attention at all costs, buying shoes, racing on a motorbike and so on.

And yes, neptune can present a need for escapism, dream land, different worlds.. etc :-)

what are some of those placements...i want to see if i have any in my chart.

oh yea then i must have a few of the hard aspects in my chart

I would definately think pluto gives that extra push off the edge in to the casm of self destruction that comes with the addiction, I think with the need for escapism with drug users, most of them are trying to destroy themselves, shed the skin of a dirty life or what they see themselves as, being waste or void of essence or whatever negative views they have about themselves, a heavy scorpio or pluto pull in their natal chart will make them push themselves further into escapism then someone with just heavy neptune aspects and over abundant piscean and 12th house planets, Neptunian ruled individuals dont even really need drugs to escape, most of them are so ethereal and nebulous they get to those drug induced states without the hellicopter free ride that drugs give, only to have the motor breakdwon and crash from a great height.

For example, I have a friend who has Moon in Libra, with his moon, saturn and pluto all conjunct. He also has Sun and mercury square the Pluto. He has a few aspects to Neptune, but nothing majory negative, Moon sextile neptune. But, he has always been obsessive with pushing boudaries. And when he tried drugs, he just wanted to keep pushing and pushing taking more and more. he tried everything except heroin (which im thankful for, as well his mother), i expect due to his Capricorn Sun keeping him quite grounded. He admits he has screwed up allot of his mental framework, he believes due to a vision he had whilst in a drug induced state, that there is a man on the moon that, built a time machine and travelled to the beginning of the end of the beginning, and witnessed the meaning and creation of all things, and now is watching all earths progress from the moon, and he believed he could build a tiime machine out of his TV....He's realised how ludicrous this sounds now, but he still pushes himself too far with alcohol, drinking anyone around him under the table.

I think Pluto and scorpio influences the true addict to keep doing it without thanking through the concequences of their actions, but yeah neptune would have to be heavy too, the need for escape would become overwhelming for a neptunian ruled individual.

my father was a drug addict,and I never knew him

he had Moon in Pisces disposited by a stationary Neptune in Virgo which sextile his Mars in Scorpio

my mother is a recovering drug addict/alcoholic
She has
Neptune in Libra in 5th
trine Sun in Gemini in 1th
square Venus in Cancer in 2nd
sextile Pluto in Leo in 3rd



I have Moon in Pisces square Neptune
Neptune also
conjunct Jupiter
oppose/contraparallel Saturn
parallel Mercury-Venus
square Mars
sextile Pluto


Heliocentric Neptune Nodes
oppose Lunar Nodes
sextile/trine Midheaven


I drink,smoke,nor use drugs.

spirituality is important to me
I recently joined an interfaith unity church
I would like marry a woman who is spiritually oriented too

I wonder if saturn is involved in addictive trends at all in the sense that a strongly emphasized saturn might reduce the affect that addictive influences might otherwise have on a person.

Or maybe some would feel that they need to seek a reprise from a strong saturn influence through drugs or alchohol ...